/domg/ - Dominions General

>>173777438
Stale bread

Second for aboleth traps

So I hear ya nerds are getting BULLIED?

LMAO losers

>>174318804
i am not getting bullied, i am being attacked by 2 people at once that said "i can't win my game and i have no idea how to stop that guy who is sieging my capital, therefore i attack a random guy just for the fun of it".
that while being attacked by an AI and a player who thinks i am too uncontested to being left alone.

i guess afterall it is bullying.

>>174318924

LMAO NERD

Agartha, you there?
I would would be willing to trade the full amount of gems you have suggested.

Just say the word and we can do the trade this turn.

Mictlan has an A9 bless and not much else.

Yes, send me the gems.

>>174323725
Asphodel is eating mictlan.

>>174323806
Sending them over, don't forget your end of the bargain.

>>174323806

You have some earth gems for trade friend?

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If is safe to have Dwarven Hammers and Copper Arms held by UW mages? Would those items rust and eventually disappear?

>>174328451
They're magical, they don't rust.

Copper wouldn't rust in water even if it wasn't magical, anyway.

>>174328841
How does copper oxydation work?

Hey /domg/, what is the best bless for tengu?

>>174330770

W9 for survival/attack power, S9 for survival, F9 for attack power.

Probably W9 is your best bet.

>>174328451
Dont think copper rusts

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How do I deal with Kalaisa (Apsaras/Cleansing Water) as an undead nation?

>>174331573
Of course it does, you never used a copper pan before?

What is the difference between enfeeble and weaken?

Niefelbro, got your message.
I'm fine with you taking 49.
Would you mind compensating me for it ? I'm just asking for 51 gold, one turn of income from the province, since I didn't lose any soldiers taking the province. I'll leave it with 0 PD.

>>174329015
If I remember right, that only affects the very outside. While it will technically rust, copper doesn't experience the destructive rusting all the way through iron does.

I was actually talking about dominions logic, though, copper equipment in dominions doesn't rust underwater

>>174332062
Undead are actually a good counter to Asparas, because they ignore awe. Asparas without awe have to rely on their defense only.

Cleansing Water is a lot more annoying to deal with.Could you try positioning defensively and forcing the enemy to come to you? Cleansing Water is only range 25. If your enemy positions their mages near the back and their troops advance you could end up fighting outside their range.

>>174332062
>>174334653
>Undead are actually a good counter to Asparas, because they ignore awe
Well, mindless undead are.

Most undead are mindless, but I just realized you might be talking about Therodos whose spectres are not mindless.

How do I win games?

>>174339374
Luck mostly.

>>174334134
Sure thing.

>>174332062
Is that you, Lukas? Great taste in doujin

>>174332062
I'm Kailasa fighting an undead nation currently so hopefully you don't mean me,
but I don't have any Asparas so I think I'm good

But it depends on your undead, if you have skeleton hordes I would be more worried about an Earthquake trap, and would constantly move a unit in the magic phase ahead of your stacks to clear out traps.

If you have tougher Undead I would take anti mage blob counters as they can Light of the Northern Star some Yogis and spam AN on your precious high prot/hp guys.

Really depends on a lot of factors especially your research, but you could in theory divide your undead up and use some bait at first to tire out their Yakshinis a bit. A W3 minimum mage spamming a W2 -20 fatigue spell will be super hard to tire out unless you cast Rigor Mortis. Then move in some mindless undead to hit their asparas. Also undead archers/javelin throwers would make quick work of asparas with their low prot.

>>174339374
Roll your snow ball faster and further. Same as most strategy games I suppose, Star Craft, Civilization, chess, Risk...

>>174340875

Not always. Often its better to not be the clear leader.

>>174343295
Eh. If you can deflect to bats/undead/birds then you can snowball safely.

>>174343643
T. Nick

>>174343643
t. Malakal

This needs to be an item.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/N%C3%A1br%C3%B3k

>>174343295
I would agree more if Dom players weren't so fucking irrational. I'm not usually good enough to put myself in the lead, so I generally try to aim for that, and I'll worry about being deposed once I can make it to top dog.

After watching someone run away with a game countless times, I've decided that strength is power. The challenges of getting perfect information and playing your hand as well as you can are such that most players can't stop a good player in a strong position. Just look at what the fuck is happening in Fourth Turning.

>>174346018
I think you legitimately killed yourself in 4th with your obnoxious diplo

>>174346018
You mean Ur is about to win the game because people spent the first 50 turns pointing at, variously, bats, elves, and atlanteans?

>>174346280
That may be the case anyways, but I'm not elves.
>>174346415
Yes, this pretty much. Though Atlantis told me they only put Ur at 3-4 thrones. I don't think Atlantis would sell their main rival short.

>>174346832
but who are you then?

>>174346018
>I'm not usually good enough to put myself in the lead, so I generally try to aim for that, and I'll worry about being deposed once I can make it to top dog.
This is my winning strategy. Also why I advise finding an expansion strat that gets you 20 provinces or more year 1

>>174347079
>tfw easily the biggest in a game and have a good lategame plan
M-maybe I'll finally win one.

>>174347976
unfortunately, I have a plan to stop you.

>>174347079
Isn't that pretty much impossible with some nations? For example EA C'tis and LA Ulm.

>>174348068
who am I?

>>174348129
I was meming

>>174348098
Earth snake, maneater

>>174348129
Sauro

>>174348068
Ah, but I've been waiting for somebody to stop him and I have a plan to stop them and take the win!

>>174348220
Some nations really need a different kind of pretender to manage late game. LA Ulm absolutely needs blood and death on their pretender for instance.

>>174348220
New player here. What makes Earth Snake so special and how should one build him and why should one build him that way?

>>174346970
Arco. VH would have you believe that the Atlantis-Arco axis is too much for them, but if taking 5 provs was all it took for me to defeat them, they never had a chance. Also, Atlantis reports they haven't defeated any armies, only raiders and thugs, so VH is very much still alive.

>>174348437
>LA Ulm absolutely needs blood and death on their pretender for instance.
E4B3D3 maneater.

>>174348384
there's no way I'm going to win in Fast, I literally don't hold any thrones, I don't have a mobile pretender, nor recruitable H3, and my prophet is a scout

>>174348757
Oh man I totally forgot fast existed thanks to Lukas
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>>174348924
>Hosting delayed by 144 hours.
Jesus Christ, find a sub if you need that long

>>174348757
You don't need to throne rush if you can just snowball. I definitely don't think you have it in the bag, though. Furries aren't far behind, and bats can never be counted out especially Sy.

>>174349709
post score graphs

>>174348541
You just give Erf Snek loads of E and make him awake maybe with dom9. He recuperates so does just fine.

My standard awakensake is dom5, e5 if I literally just want expansion and scales. If my nation has native earth, I'll take E6 for EBDW

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>>174348719
LA Ulm doesn't have Maneater, they do have Earth Serpent though, it's not very good for them.

>>174350107
LA Ulm absolutely has Man-Eater, what are you talking about?

Hey guys I'm curious about a couple of global spells. Like mechanically. How does BoT and Foul air work? What conditions trigger their effect and what are the exact effects? I always hear about them being super powers, but I never can figure out how exactly they work.

>>174352015
Burden of time is more of a pain in the ass then a game winner.

Whens dominions5

Just a confirmation that the game won't end while there are players who want to keep playing.

Sorry for the ones who don't want to.

>>174339374
Buy the thrones/get people to give you their thrones.

>>174352385
No biggie, i'm going AI on all 3 of my malakals.

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>>174348719
>bloodhunting with popkill 100
downright epic. youd be ebtter off with pic related than that

>>174352015
Burden of Time
Causes a small amount of unrest and popkill
Every month all units age a few years
Causes afflictions depending on age?
Maybe something else?

Foul Air
Any damage a unit takes inflicts disease

>>174352490
You use it as an awake expander and then a count summoner, retard. The poop kill is negligible. Maneater can actually expand in LA. Doggo dies like a bitch to any remotely difficult province.

>>174352490
>using pretender to bloodhunt

>>174352607
There's no need to be that rude to the differently abled, anon.

>>174352493
So for BoT do we know if it's % popkill/month or a static number or a special secret recipe? Do we know how much each unit ages by? Same for all units or a static number or a ratio? Affliction is already dependent on old age, does BoT increase the likelihood or keep it the same?

For Foul air does preexisting afflictions affect disease chance? How about long range spells like seeking arrow? If seeking arrow doesn't kill a commander does it "inflict" disease triggering damage?

Thanks guys. I couldn't really find any specific details about these spells (goddamn illwinter you would think he could at least post some formulas).

>>174348542
Oh, Atlantis finally killed one army. I wasn't angry because it was an 'oh no, Atlantis is gonna kill' moment, but more because it was an 'oh no, you have to understand this is going to be a big stupid fight we both wind up losing because of'.

Hell, maybe I even beat Atlantis 40 turns after the game already ended because Ur (or even someone else like Kailasa) claims all the thrones - since Atlantis elected to fight one of the other big powers with the least thrones, himself being another big power with scant few thrones.

As for Arco, sum1won has been *very* careful in avoiding the horror spamming golem, so would be nice to have a good use for that. As an aside, I learned that pocket lich > dual wielding smashers in a golem fight.

>>174353026
No clue about any of the formulas.

For Foul Air I think all sources of damage inflict disease which includes stuff like seeking arrow

>>174353223
>Atlantis killed an army

Post pics. I like seeing battles.

Can we get a tips for beginners + things everyone should know kind of thing going on in this thread? I would like to learn hiw to play this game properly but don't really know all that much where to begin.

>>174348924
>>174349086
Lol this actually needed to be delayed because someone was out of town and no one would sub a major power if I recall correctly.

>144 hours
This is baby shit. Try 7 weeks. Kichikou didn't get a turn in for 7 weeks. Olathe is averaging a turn every 4 weeks right now.

>>174357601
IT

DEPENDS

>>174357601
Play multiplayer, notice how someone kicks your ass. Learn lesson. Rinse, wash, repeat.

Can a non-commander unit return from another dimension? Say, if I enslave mind a void creature and it doesn't come back with the commander?

>>174322020

Let's do it.

>>174323806

This isn't me.

>>174359509
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>falseflagging
>getting todger flashbacks
please no.

>>174359509
>This isn't me.
REEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Oh well, enjoy those death gems. I don't need those earth gems immediately, just make sure they arrive next turn.

>>174360185
Forgot my stupid nametag.

>>174357601
based on the mistakes i most frequently see newbies committing these are my tips:

-Dominions 4 is a multiplayer game.Stop playing single player, just test the first 15 turns of expansion
-before joining a game you should have tested expansion up to completion of the first fort, asked the thread for god design and know what is the very first spell you are going to research. you can make up the rest along the ride.
-after building armies for expansion 90% of your gold will go into recruiting mages to research; still have more gold? build another fort and lab and recruit more mages.every turn. for the entire game.This game is about magic.
-you should almost never buy Province Defense. just 1 point everywhere and 15 where you are building forts. it's not a good investment.
-put 1 single armored unit alone isolated upfront to catch all the enemy arrows. works only against indipendents provinces or undisciplined archers.
-start sitesearching in the first 12 turns, unless you want to rush/fear being rushed and need good magic spells.you'll want all the gems you can.
-against an equally powerful player eventually ( after you are done taking minor provinces with just armies) you will need to field all or almost all your mages and use all your gems. he's gonna do it, what makes you think you can get away with any less than that?
-battle magic is the real deal.you can't keep using your mages just to summon permanent troops, craft items or cast battle enchantments. go cast 40 fireballs each turn and summon 6 earth elementals, you'll see how scary it gets.mouse over commander scripts in the battle screen and use ctrl+number to copy and just the number to paste scripts.

Toppest time to declare your war with Agartha there Ulm.

How is it going?

>>174360185

They are coming. I was in the process of changing my turn to send you them last turn when the new turn came in.

>>174359749

No ge̶ms for b͝ulli͢es̀

>>174357601
>>174360372
And to add onto this while Dominions is a multiplayer game and you should get into PBEM as soon as possible, it's ok to take single player a little past turn 15 to play around with battle magic. When I was starting off I would go a little past expansion and kill my closet neighbor to see what kind of battle magic worked with my nation.

So who is worried about those vampires he recently summoned

I'm not

>>174360372
-never trust a throne. always assume there are hidden mages summoning 3 giant elementals and 80 skeletons. use a scout attack on retreat to see.
-never trust a fort.always assume the mages inside will summon shit and slow down the battle while you get arrowed down and lose all your men.or even worst mass earthquake. use a scout attack on retreat to see or come prepared
-do the above when you can.
-immobile pretenders are fucking invincible. respect them, you need the right sacreds or dedicated thugs with smashers.
-try to branch out to all the magic paths after midgame.you can live without a couple but why would you? there was a nice reference guide to boosting and breaking into magical paths. but Desura has been shut down.shame.
-putting all your dudes in one gigantic army rarely works.take lands and take back lands with few medium armies that can threaten to gather up and do a joint attack.
-DUDE.SUPPLIES.LMAO.(solved with Nature items)
-the first war is stronglings vs weaklings who failed to expand OR people doing diplomacy against someone who think (have been convinced to think) is scary.Don't be the weak one, expect backstabs to happen in alliances.
-take the thrones later, but always build a fort on them.
-As the game start look at throne requirements. how many thrones do you need to win assuming you get the good ones? if it's 3-4 thrones expect a lame and quick end, hopefully with your victory.
-stop letting me recruit all the mercenaries for cheap.most of them are good for expansion with pretty much all the nations but xibalba and pangea.
-recruits scouts, information is a coin.
-setting up the army for a fight is hard and there are many things to learn. but please, do not get your good/summoned troops stuck behind your crappy troops. don't let your mages be picked off by archers or birds and stop burning your people with missplaced fire elementals.
-thugs need to be fatigue neutral in almost all cases.

What do you think about a mod that gives certain pretenders specific automatically casted battlefield spells? Like Solar disk or Lord of the summer plague getting #onebattlespell "heat from hell", or Linnormr getting foul vapors.


>inb4 "that's overpowered"
I know. Its only intended as a curiosity.

>>174361876
Thelkines or whatever you call them already cast foul vapors dont they? I dont think it would be that bad, gods are supposed to be strong.

>>174362038
do they? Huh,so they do.

>>174361876
I would be ok with this if there was a point increase. It would make a lot of sense lore wise. Though I suppose it would be even more OP for expansion.

>Bitch Queen casts Howl
>Son of Fenrer casts how with Jotun Wolves
>Dagon casts Earthwuake

>>174361876
What I want is a mod that gives everyone a 5 thousand pretender points so we could have a game filled with fully blessed sacreds, maximum scales and awake SCs.

>>174361876
that sounds completely fine IF properly costed and doesn't ruin viable pretenders.Keep an eye on how much it is oppressive a turn 15 war or if it enables the pretender to expand alone ( which may or may not be a good thing).

the game does need more ways to make pretenders interesting and different.

>>174361030
That who recently summoned. You need to be more specific here. We're all blood nations here (okay, almost all).

>>174362978
is fountain of blood causing rain to fall too silly?

>>174363662
the lowest the cost can be set to is 0. best way I can think of is to manually set #pathcost 0 and #startdom 10 for every pretender. On that note, has a new modding manual been released yet?

>>174365109
blood rain, I mean.

>>174365109
The better questions is: "is that too metal?" And no, no it's not.

>>174365851
so far, I have

#modname "Pretenders of mass destruction"
#description "pretenders w/ onebattlespells"
#version 0.1
#end

#selectmonster 109 --dagon
#onebattlespell 458 --earthquake
#end


#selectmonster 605 --Son of Niefel
#onebattlespell 604 --warriors of Niefelheiem
#end

#selectmonster 656 --fountain of blood
#onebattlespell 989 --blood rain
#end

#selectmonster 401 --bitch queen
#onebattlespell 693 --howl
#gcost -500
#end

#selectmonster 1229 --son of fenrer
#onebattlespell 693 --howl
#end


#selectmonster 1097 --Lord of Summer Plague
#onebattlespell 823 --Heat from Hell
#end

#selectmonster 1384 --Solar Disk
#onebattlespell 823 --Heat from Hell
#end

#selectmonster 1561 --Father of Winters
#onebattlespell 828 --Grip of winter
#end

#selectmonster 2801 --Linnormr
#onebattlespell 821 -- foul vapors
#end

#selectmonster 2755 --Hun Came
#onebattlespell 584 -- darkness
#end

what exactly is the point of Astral Tempest?

>>174360956
That said, I will respect the agreement. I will also be taking the province across the river because I think it had a nice site in it.

>>174365142
I want the divine power Mao picture plz

>>174366890
Apu Llapa definitely looks like it should cast storm or wrathful skies, or both.

Titan of the Sea should cast friendly Currents.

Devi of Good Fortunes should cast Will of Fates and maybe the Oracle too.

Should Phoenix cast Phoenix Pyre automatically? I really like that idea haha

>>174366890
Virture or Solar Eagle casting Solar Brilliance might be too much especially since they don't have the paths for it. But I really like the idea of them leveraging sun to burn their enemies.

Horned one could also cast Mass Animal Friendship

>>174368080
updated
https://pastebin.com/TvqUAgKa

>>174367348

Squid you here? Fancy to have a talk in the steam chat?

>>174367780
shit. missed the will of the fates ones.

>>174366890
Be aware that spells that trigger once rather than being continuous Enchantments will happen just before the battle. So Earthquake will just show as some units missing from the enemy army and random damage on others. Might not be the effect you are looking for.

>>174371246
thanks.

>>174371246
>a literally uncounterable earthquake
Fuck me in the ass.

>>174370092
In there now.

>>174371246
Just make it autocast, so it occurs every single turn then.

TC, you're taking 23, right? That keeps up with the straight line border thing.

>>174379451
have you decided who youre going to shit on yet? I'm pretty curious about who itll be

Hey jobbingxibalba Abysia are you there? Check your steam chat please.

>>174382353
Yes, and I'm pretty sure their cap is in range.

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>>174383275

>>174383275
>>174383456
Wait, is it real?

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>>174383679

I love ichtyids!

>>174388651
What other troops use nets?

>>174388962
Mermans

>>174379451
shirley would like to.
I don't have any troops left in the area so it'll be a few turns though if you're okay with that.

>>174391042
Yeah, np

It's TNN, by the way. In case anyone was wondering.

>>174394430
t. malakal

>>174394430

Fake giants.

Wow WTF I hate giants now.

>>174394808
nuthin personnel

but nah, man, everyone else I neighbor is really chill.

>>174394919
>everyone is chill with early game rush machine giants
Gee, I wonder why?

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>been seeing a lot of talk about this game and it looks fun so I get it
>try to learn a bit and then finally start a game
>have a starting commander and some spear people
>get my ass whooped by a bunch of kappa
I have it on easy so I'm steamrolling everything now after a few embarrassing losses in the beginning. Need to up the difficulty, or maybe play online but I don't think I have a grasp on every mechanic I'd need to do that. Fun though. I'm glad I got this. My god right now is that oracle fountain.

>>174397870
Yeah that's the way to do it. Just play and fuck around and just focus on one thing that you like or whatever. Then after you get your feet wet learn some specific stuff like mechanics and such and join an MP game. Lose (or win maybe, I won my first MP game). and keep dying and learning. It's fun to learn strats your enemies use against you and now you use it against them or other enemies.

>>174397870
I played 70 hours of single player before I thought about getting into multiplayer. I'd probably play it more but I hate how long it takes for the turns to load as the game goes on.

>>174398452
you need 600 hours.

>>174398614
I played 100 hours before I joined. It's never about hours, but about when you grow some balls..

>>174398452
If you don't like the speed of pbem then join more than 1 game. It doesn't have to be only 1 game at a time even if all of them are your firsts.

>>174398838
I mean in single player. It takes progressively longer to load as the turns go on and the nations get bigger. I'm in 4-5 games now and up until recently I was in about 15

What do I need to know about middle age asphodel that sets it apart from ermor?

>>174399639
Growth gets you more manikins. So does temples on forests I think. Also you can actually guys.

>>174399757
Thanks man, what was the last thing you said though?

>>174399849
Recruit guys I meant. You arent totally freespawn like ermor.

>>174397870
Also do kappas count as demons for them to be affected by banishment and such?

>>174400128
Nope. They would have a demon tag if they did.

>>174399639
You have both living and undead priests. Living priests (Centaurs/Dryads) can preach but not reanimate, while undead priests (Carrion [x]) can reanimate but not preach.

Carrion Ladies are worthless most of the time.

Regular provinces get freespawn manikins and the occasional mandragora. Forest provinces get more of the above, plus carrion beasts, manikin versions of your recruitables, and I think Sagittarian Carcasses.

Growth scales increase the number of freespawn you get, while Magic scales increase the chance of getting a good unit.

You can pretend to stale for 16 turns.

>>174401002
Does reanimation spread dominion (like I believe it does for ermor, correct me im retarded)

>>174401118
Opposite is true, dominion reanimates

>>174353856
>>174353026

Thau 5 Burden of Time D5 70 Causes greatly increased aging for units. Increases unrest across the world
each turn. Also kills about 2% of the world's population each month.
Population in provinces with a Death scale die a little more swiftly.
Thau 6 Foul Air D5A1 75 Any unit that gets wounded will automatically gain the Diseased affliction.
Unrest increases worldwide.
fifty gorrillion turns looking up the dom4 manual from the op.

>>174403018
I think they are looking for specific formulas instead of a general description.

>>174403018
>>174353026
>>174403230

Sure.

~2%. No, but probably an exploding d6 like everything else. All units. Probably keeps it the same.

No, why should they? Yes, because a unit is getting wounded. Yes, because seeking arrow damages the commander.

All things inferred from the manual.

>>174366890
How about that golden immobile bull statue casting army of gold? It's balances because its immobile and you would need S3 and labs to move it around. And still, it would only work for defensive army of gold traps.

>>174407328
I realize that's probably the joke, but Revive Lemur Acolyte requires D2. I am not about that life.

>>174367780
Phoenix definitely should cast Phoenix Pyre, might actually make him useful (that's how it was in CBM in Dom3).

>>174366890
How about monolith casting rain of stones? ;^)
Turn 10 monodrop in your cap.

>>174407734
Monodrop doesn't need any buffs

LA blood magic Ur comprised of mostly humans when?

>>174408957
So Assyria.

>>174360372
>-you should almost never buy Province Defense. just 1 point everywhere and 15 where you are building forts. it's not a good investment.
Province defense is great. Surprise 20+PD can beat weaker raiding groups and sometimes thugs, or give you a quick infusion of chaff if you're lacking units.

15+PD will often defend against moderately sized flying raiding parties. If you bump up important provinces when you're invaded it can do a lot to limit Caelum or Xibalba's ability to expand all over your land.

PD shouldn't be relied on to

>>174361342
>-thugs need to be fatigue neutral in almost all cases.
A lot of thugs can beat reasonable amounts of PD (20-30) without being fatigue-neutral.

If they put a silly amount of PD down, it's generally better to send multiple cheap thugs than make a fatigue-neutral thug. Those cheap thugs can split up after the province is taken, whereas a single thug with more investment will be heavily overgeared for other provinces.

Are there any Dominions 4 AARs that any of you would suggest? Preferably complete and/or multi-perspective ones would be really nice.

>>174366890
>>174369894
Moloch - Blood Lust
Divine Glyph - Solar Brilliance
Great White Bull - Growing Fury
Great Black Bull - Growing Fury
Annunaki of Growth and Rebirth - Relief
Great Mother - Mass Regeneration
Serpent of Chaos - Darkness
Colossal Head - Marble Warriors
Statue of the Bloody Mother - Purify Blood
Oracle - Will of the Fates
Idol of Sorcery - Light of the Northern Star
Idol of Beasts - Beast Mastery

>>174411392
https://devnada.wordpress.com/drama/
This is my favorite one, a guy playing MA Ermor soon after Dom4 came out.

>>174413354
>Tribless Ermor being first played in RP house rules game
I wonder if the player thought he was actually just memeing and it turned out to be great by accident

>>174416073
That's exactly what happened, actually. Tribless Ermor wasn't possible in Dom3 because without empowerment you needed an awake god to summon your mages. But he still deserved the victory, the level of thought he put into his strategy was massive, as you'll see if you keep reading.

Should I make this into a dominions map, once I fix the seams?
https://gifyu.com/images/VelikaJebenaMapacc8f3.jpg

What gear should I put on Bow of War Sleepers?

I've already given them Eyes of Aiming.

>>174418501
>putting a bow of war on a sleeper
>using sleepers as anything other than morale boosters

buff SC's and SC pretenders

>>174421581
The only things that need buffing are the generic, low cost chassis. Give the Bane Lord another 10 HP and it'll be fine. Recognise that they are tools for specific situations, which they still do perfectly fine.

>>174418578
Why not both?

>>174421581
Give them all one battle spells like Telkhines

>>174421581
Buff archers and crossbowmen

Even blessed sacreds with wind guide are complete shit

And that's before the enemy mage creates a storm or casts arrow fend.

Can't do shit underwater either.

>>174422705
archers are meant to be massed. Just like in real life

>>174422579
Why would you make baseline what makes Telkhines unique? They're already very hard to get. They deserve that battle spell. Meanwhile, SC pretenders can easily be obtained by any nation from the beginning of the game. It would not only be overpowered but also unfair to give them a battle spell too.

>>174421581
SCs are fine.

SC pretenders could use a buff. More low-research SC items and more varied SC items would help a lot, since right now you basically need const4 or trading to put one out in the field.

>>174422705
Sacred archers are a waste of money. You don't get anything worth the price increase. Just spam cheap archers and put flaming arrows on them.

Cheap archers/xbows with flaming arrows are pretty good, even through storm. Arrow Fend will shut them down, but it's not a spell which is commonly researched early (and many nations don't have air to cast it).

>>174422835

Maybe but this makes sacred archers useless.

>>174427776
give all sacred archers bows of war
now one archer is thirteen archer

Did they adjust pretender costs in the past couple weeks? I got an error in a new Llama game I've started that my I cheated, and when I try to recreate my pretender I'm negative 10 points... I don't have mods that should alter pretender creation, but I also don't see anything about pretenders(other then auto healing costing more, which my pretender doesn't have?) in patch notes in the past couple weeks?

Its the Annunaki of sweet waters chassis.

Will seeking arrow friendly fire? There's a big stack heading for my besieging army and I want to snipe their commanders when they attack me next turn.

>>174417164
Looks neat.

>>174417164
I like it, but you need to have port connections to all he islands.

>>174429364
summod and similar mods can change pretender cost, did you use any such mod or did you not and the game requires one?

>>174431791
Magic phase before movement phase.

>>174431791
I don't think long range magic can friendly fire. Like if u cast seeking arrow on your friendly prov it won't hurt any of your comms. Unless ofcourse it's death magic and it has a percent change of killing with disease or whatever.

>>174433575
Ah, so seeking arrow is always guaranteed to hit the commanders at are in the in province I see in my current turn but next turn?

>>174433853
Yes, they get hit before they move.
So you have a chance to take out a battlefield enchantment caster for the battle that is about to take place.

>>174433021
One age and a bunch of different worthy hero versions are all I have

>>174431791
no it won't

If I have a commander with Crystal Shield and Crystal Matrix and a bunch of slaves with slave matrix, is there any way to ensure that the auto-buff of Crystal Shield hits the slaves?

>>174436267
I assume that their unique id matters. try putting the crystal shield + crystal matrix as the last commander that'll be a part of the communion.

>>174436842
Well in addition to the unique id, the shield has to cast after the matrix as well.

>>174436982
Indeed, I have no idea how to solve that.

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EA best age

>>174441908
>yfw your historically accurate armor makes you look like a retard

>tfw when you come back from 5 days of vacation and 2 people still haven't taken their turns

>>174443529
>tfw its always the same fucks who take forever

>>174441908
>>174442132
What I want to know is why they went through all the effort of armoring him up only to leave his arms uncovered.

Do you think we will finally be able to recruit both a mage AND a normal commander on the same turn in Dominions 5?

>>174445408
I'm guessing it was a technological limitation at the time. Maybe they wore thick cloth sleeves or somesuch

Mexco Waiting for 2h file

WTH natgen!
WTH!

>>174445554
But they got shit on his legs. Couldnt be that hard to make a smaller version for his arms.

>>174445408
>>174445554
Basically steppe peoples started the trend of armoring your arms. Those heavily armored bronze fags were chariot riders and steppe niggas likewise rode horses so could get loads of metal on themselves.

>>174443529
are you Mexco in Circle?
If not I need to restart. Again.
If so, DO UR TURN REEEE

what have the devs been up to recently?

R'lyeh lets try again, you here?

>>174452662
Working on CoE4 and making a rogue-like by all accounts

>>174452837
He's in chat but he's also dead.

>>174452915
i play coe4 and enjoy it, but the last patch was last nov

>>174452915
a rogue like would be cool, I like to rp in CoE and dominions a lot so itd be neato to have a roguelike.

>>174452915
Where did they say they were doing a rogue-like?

Is it possible to mod the underlying mechanics? This game would be perfect if you could do little things like click on a faraway province to have units walk there by themselves (I recently played my first game and fuck map move one). Being able to mod labs so they vacuum in blood slaves hunted within one province would be amazing to reduce micro for blood.

>>174455580
and would be OP
fucking OP man wow
>>174452662
floorplan

>>174452662
trade & taint when

>>174455580
just play caelum

>>174454197
Pls respond, I'd actually really like a dominions rogue-like. I know they would probably fuck it up but I would still probably put some time into it.

>>174456820
>dominion rogue like
>every turn takes twice as long to resolve as CoE

>>174457874
>constantly losing equipment to deer

>>174455580
no, mods can do limited things.

there are keybinds to make moving blood slaves faster but i can't remember them

>>174459953
Damn, that sucks. Pretty sure it's ctrl-v to pick up and ctrl-z to drop off or something.

>>174456820
There was some talk on the Discord where some people who have Illwinters ear talked about it.

Seems it might be cancelled or suspended for now though. But at least it seems to be what they were spending their time on fairly recently. The floorplan thing apparently came from the generator that was going to be part of the game.

Yomi, the ghoul thing was a mistake. I clicked the wrong province without noticing. Pls no bully.

>>174462340

Was wondering about that, you killed some of his guys, good work!

>>174462965
they actually removed themselves.

Hey elf bro, you going for (110) this turn?

fuck those dirty spics.
anybody want their spot before I restart? (you've got about an hour to respond)

>>174466058
your game is fucking cursed

>>174466218
I noticed.
watch someone is going to start staling turn 5 now.

>>174466314
people should know by now that only works as asphodel

>>174466058
What's the deal with the mods? I might be interested

>>174467414
https://pastebin.com/nTtgHER9
it's a nation gen game, all of the nations were randomly generated by a program.

>>174467526
>https://pastebin.com/nTtgHER9
Eh playing a mod nation game blind seems fun and a good oppurtunity for a let's play. Sure. Who do I send a pretender in for?

>>174468937
Here probably. http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=MasterTheCircle

>>174468937
Mexco is who dropped, but feel free to pick anyone.
Mexco is pretty strong, but there are other good options left.

>>174469929
pls no rizopolis

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Hey guys, we had our first real fight already. Elves committed their hero and some expanders to the fight. Since my squad had less than five guys in it, they lost a morale check pretty quickly and bailed, in spite of the fact that the elves couldn't really kill them. A bunch of the elves got fatigued out and stayed in a sleepy ball where the giants had fought them, but some managed to get in the way of the retreating giants and die, including the hero. Looking forward to more fighting!

>>174472876
I don't understand what a city in a failing state has to do with anything

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>first throne I claim pushes my scales in a direction I don't want
>every fucking game

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>>174475661
>first throne is the throne of bureaucracy

>>174475950
For some nations that shits dope.

>>174476343
>-100 gold a turn
>dope
For who? MA Ermor?

>>174417164
It would be a fun one. And it's nice to see that there are still people who do their initial design work on traditional media.

>>174475950
>playing as niefelheim
>first throne is Summer

>>174476621
It can never reduce a province's income below 0

>>174476981
That's not a bad throne, desu. It gets you a new path

11.34 on GG.
I think that's the cheapest it's ever been.

>>174482514
It's been like $5 before

>>174493891
What I want to know is why the knight of the deep has his merhorse but the elf doesnt have his actual horse.

>>174455580

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE NIEFEL KILLED A GOOD MAN

>>174465254

Yes. I was planning on looping around that throne.

>>174473114

I got so close to the end with my hero surviving, too.

>>174495949
Yeh, he's pretty awesome. Earth magic is great, and his built in weapon hits really hard and never misses on account of its AoE.

>>174496397
I always wonder why more giants dont just have aoe attacks.

>>174500792
It'd be op as fuck on a recruitable

>>174500854
Hill giants and shit should at least have it.

>>174500965
It'd be cool on a high tier summon, at least.

>>174413354
This one is really nice, although all his AARs are very Ermor focused. Any AARs you guys would recommend for a look at other civilizations?

>>174475950
What's wrong with that?

5 temple checks is very nice for a level 2 throne, and dominion conflict bonus is great (only other place you get it is the throne of the pantokrator).

5% more income on all your provinces can also make up for 100 gold by midgame if you're a decent size.

I wouldn't be unhappy to have that as my first throne, even with order 3. I probably wouldn't claim it immediately, but the dominion bonuses would be good for later.

>>174477329
And if that's true, it's even better than I thought.

I love Dryads!

>>174449774
I'm not, sorry.

how i remove elf

>>174501489
That's by far the most entertaining AAR I've found, even though I'll never play an Ermor MP game.

Ded thred
Ded gaym

>>174507061
Figure out a way to kill their thugs cheaply, make sure you have plenty of it spread around your lands. Don't leave your forts undefended, and be prepared to lose any provinces which aren't directly adjacent to a fort with troops+mages.

If you're not a nation which can match or beat them at raiding, you'll need to focus on taking their forts. Invade them with a few (or just one if you're small) large armies and focus on cracking forts. Bring siege bonus if possible, so you can get in faster.

Your army should come prepared to deal with air combat spells and more thugs.

Of course, this will change somewhat depending on which elves you're fighting.

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Well this was entertaining.

>>174517585

IS THIS MANOEUVRE CALLED STEEL REHN?

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>>174517773
BATTUL BRUVAS

TODAY THE ENEMY IS AT OUAH DOAH

>>174518353

3 prot? Wot

>>174518634
looks like hes invulnerable, so bonus protection against normal attacks. probably a strange attempt at balance, or fluff since their armor is basically impervious to normal weapons but they can still be hurt

>>174518353
>not poor amphibian
Space marines can breath in water

>>174452662
dungeon floor generator
not even kidding

Will 35 MR stop you from killing yourslef on a crapload of blood vengance sacreds?

>>174469929
>>174472876
Had trouble finding a nation I liked, but I combed through them last night and am now in and memeing as hard as i could concieve.

Mictaln here for FastTurnsAtSnerdrynHigh

Something is fucked up with your servers.

I've submitted my fucking .trn file and sent it back to the server twice and I just got a message reminding me to do my turn because it will be hosting in 12 hours. Why the fuck is nothing working at all? I'm doing my turn, grabbing the fucking .trn file in the folder and attatching it to a reply directly to this address. Why on earth is it acting like I've never sent in my turn? I'm just going to drop this if your servers don't even work.

>>174520086
You need to send the .2h file not the .trn file

>>174518353
Wait, there is a 40k mod? Please give me some sauce on this.

Golem with Stymphalian Wings, Vine Shield and Charchoal Shild (fighting undead so awe is useless).

Yes or no?

>>174520302
Lol. The most expensive donation I've heard of. Also depends what undead your fighting.

>>174520208
It sends me a .trn file and I have to send back a .2h file? Why?

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>>174518634
>>174518886
Earth is giving +1.

2 base prot felt appropriate because bulletproof ribcage-plates and whatnot. But I spent all of 20 minutes on this so it's not terribly well thought out.

Also not sure why he's a priest, and I have no idea how he's getting Awe.

>>174520297
It's just a quick thing I made. Start as Ulm or another nordic nation and you can choose him as your pretender

https://www.dropbox.com/s/igfs8afhw3xae7t/Spess.rar?dl=0

>>174520420
Tomby Wyrms.

>>174519382
Define "crapload". With enoughs tickets anyone can win the lottery.

It's been suggested that we move to a 48 hour timer.
Any objections?

>>174520598
200 something.

>>174520495
The .trn file is the turn, and the 2h file is your changes. If you check a single player game it uses the same system. As to as far as why it does this, I have no clue. But it's pretty fucking convenient that you only have to pay attention to the file extension when sending a turn.

>>174520652
Also Ragha will need a 72 hour extension.

>>174520810
The problem with that is some lay man (such as the retarded mictlan) do not have "visible file extension" or whatever it's called enabled in their browser. I don't actually remember a time when i didnt have that enbled so i dont remember what it looks like but i think some ppl confuse the two.

>>174520921
After this turn that is.

>>174520525
I'm managing the Warhammer (Fantasy) mod compilation, let me know if you ever want to do a sprite or two for any of the nations! That space marine is good work.

>>174520557
>200 sacred literal worms.
Those things can die to anything unless they are blessed with magic damage or BV. I think even a normal army could kill them i dont think trample would be a good idea getting surrounded by blessed anything. Remove flying and charcoal for brand and cheap revig.

>>174521385
They do have BV and trample doesn't trigger BV.
>reinvigoration on a unit that doesn't accumulate fatigue
Seriously dude?

>>174519382
>>174520754
Someone chime in if I'm wrong.

It depends on your strength, HP, and whether you have regen or not but with a little regen you should be fine. Basically blood vengence base rolls at 10 if I'm not mistaken so with DRN hitting 3 crits then busting that's still only 30- 35 ish. With you base rolling at 35 you would have to bust and they roll 4 crits for you to be affected, which with 200 sacreds to kill can happen still but maybe only once or twice.

So assuming you do get hit you you now need to factor in how much damage you're doing and whether that'll insta kill you or not. I believe blood vengeance damage is AN but there's not a lot of chassis that'll insta kill themselves so you should be fine. Here's where the regen comes in, while it's possible that you could get hit by blood vengeance a handful of times it's extremely improbable that it would be consecutively so if you can regen between turns that'll help tremendously, so if you're using a golem hope you have N9.

And that's of course assuming your not taking too much damage from the sacreds too outside of blood vengeance too badly. But yea with 35 MR it's extremely unlikely you'll get hit but it's still possible as >>174520598 pointed out.

What kind of sacreds are they? 200 is a lot so I'm assuming it's freespawn or suppayas.

>>174520302
Replace the wings with boots of the behemoth if you want to trample. And a starshine cap so that you can tele instead of fly

>>174523890
pretty shitty advice desu

>>174520525
I think hes getting it from the leadership. Same thing happened to me once.

>>174521524
Are you not casting etheral or astral shield? If you enjoy fatiur go for it. Also you are assuming the enemy cannot fatigue the golem through magical means. Like I said enjoy your donation.

Where do I get AINoRecruit mod from? And what other mods should I install?

>>174525691
Google. If you're starting out, none.

>>174525834
I found one but it seems rather ancient. From november 2013. Does it not need to be updated constantly to work properly?

>>174523890
I agree with the other guy. That sounds like a recipe for a free donation. Trample replacement might be a good suggestion (but flying boots would be prefered to that). But casting tele is a dum idea to fatigue your 0 encum golem to death. Do you guys believe that golems cannot be fatigued or something?

>>174525972
It depends. As always. If youre playing alone its fine. But if some other mook has a different ediion then you both need to share the same version.

>>174525996
Ritual tele, not in battle tele. If you give it flying boots, it lands in the middle of a swarm of wyrms, hits enough of them with its brand to kill it. Woo, awesome. Trample bypasses that. CS gives more killing power as well.

>>174525972
Also
>ancient
>2013
Stop making me feel old.

>>174526182
I think it'll reach turn limit before it'll kill enough, but test that theory and let us know how it works out.

>>174526242
>see a car from 2007
>still think of it as pretty new
>suddenly realize its 10 years old

Should I just manual search with my mages or is it better to monthly ritual the search spells?

>>174526989
I think generally you are better of searching manually unless you already have a lot of gems to spare searching or are using voice of tiamat or something.

>>174520652

I support this.

>>174526989
In general, mages. Use site search spells on high-gem provinces, like wastes and thrones

>>174526989
Use X2 in as many paths as possible then look for provinces that have weird scales in them (like D3 if you took G3) and use a sitesearch spell on them. Anything beyond that is probably not worth

>>174526989
Manual in almost all cases. Unless you're playing with unusually high gem sites and your mages are only level 1 in the path, the answer is manual.

Also - the Anti-Bat Alliance is reborn! We just killed 100 bats with no losses - that's the power of Hinduism.

>>174526989
If you've got lots of W income, Voice of Tiamat is worthwhile.

Otherwise, only use spells to search if you're extremely rich or you have to. or just akashic knowledge every province if you've got 30 astral income

>>174527498
Then the 10000+ rest of the bat colony swarms into all your provinces and Mictlan stabs you while you're distracted.

>>174526989
Wait wait wait you guys I think we're mistaking what this guy is saying. I don't know if he's aski g if we should site search by walking or using rituals with manual spells or automatic monthly ritual casting.

For me I do all three. In the beginning I use my mages to walk to provinces to site search. Then once i get some gem income i always manually site search ritual. I only auto if im bored or testing something. I alwys find that spending extra gems to SS with rituals is worth the investment (unless you're in an immediate war). As always, it depends.

Any games recruiting?

>>174528584
I think aBoneToPick and ElfingAround are still not full

>>174528584
a bone to pick is the only one left i think

>>174528663
elfing around and nobatsallowed both went away forever

>>174528738
my lols

>>174520921
>ragha subs
>sub immediately asks for an extension

Sad!

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>>174519382
>>174519382

in how many hits do you expect to kill a single one of those sacreds? remember that if you use an AOE weapon that doesn't istantkill you might cause several hundreds more blood vangeance checks.
what's the magic dominion of the zone?

anyway it sounds like a coinflip being hit once and unless you are in magic 2 dominion with each sacreds taking 2 hits to kill we can bet you to not get blood vangeance twice.
unfortunately the enemy sacreds attacks, with their increased strength, are probably the ones who are going to kill you if you don't have regen or a very big stack of hp and protection.

it also sounds like you might hit the turn limit, but i guess it would end with the sacred getting morale checks.

how do I use the inspector to search for for instance just rituals up to air 3 and stuff like that?

>>174530412
Ticking boxes is too hard for dominions player base now?

>>174531138
There is not a single tick box that would allow me to search for just Air 3 spells. There is a tick box to search for all of them but no filter for a specific path number.

>>174531286

Tick air spells, tick combat or rituals and then sort them by path required? Wow

>>174531889
Yes I can do that however I did not ask for that did I now? I asked if it was possible to just get a list of specific spells such as ONLY the Air 3 spells and nothing else.

>>174532336
>ONLY the Air 3
>>174530412
>up to air 3

You might be retarded, anon.

>>174532441
I guess. Well that was a cock up on my part and I apologize. Now is it possible to do what I described in >>174532336 ?

>>174532534
It's not, AFAIK, since path req isn't a named key in the inspector.

>>174422705
LA Man's Defenders are actually quite good.

>>174531889
>>174532336
Can't you just scroll to the Air 3 section after following the above steps

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>>174528738

Where do I learn how to build a pretender properly? And about what kind of pretenders I can build?

>>174514528
Thanks.
>tfw cheap unit spam nation with no way to remove thugs
gg

>>174535510
what nation?
All of them have a way.

>>174525608
Guess I'll give him some boots of youth since those don't cost real gems. Thanks for the advice.

First time playing Asphodel in summod, and also summod in general. It says I can generate nature gems from templed forests, but how exactly to do I access this?

>>174540948
build temples in forests

>>174541230
Literally the only reason I ask here is because I just did that and received no additional gem income.

>>174541429
Let us look through summod's mod

#newsite 1804
#name "Carrionland"
#path 6
#level 0
#rarity 5
#decscale 3
#gems 6 1
#end

#newevent #req_freesites 1 #rarity 5
#req_fornation 49 #nation -2
#req_pop0ok #req_capital 0
#req_maxpop 100
#req_dominion 5 #req_rare 20 #req_temple 1 #req_fort 0 #req_forest 1 #req_land 1 #req_nositenbr 1804 #req_site 0 #addsite 1804
#msg "Carrionland Created. [Carrionland]." #nolog #notext #end

Requirements
-play Asphodel
-forest province
-land province
-free site slot
-temple in province
-at least 5 dominion
-less than 1000 population

Now you get a free site that gives 1 nature gem.

Are there any use for Hama Dryads? You can find em through primal forest site. 40% homesickness sucks. Actually are there any uses for any homesickness units?

>>174542860
I dunno against human players but against AIs I already used them as a defensive army to protect a sieged fort.

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>>174542385
>-at least 5 dominion
>-less than 1000 population

There we go, thanks.

>>174543234
Sounds like a terrible waste of mage turns. Ok thanks.

>>174542860
The stuff with homesickness is useful as a defensive force. It can move one space out from it's home as long as it moves back.

So if you summon them on your front lines they can react to any invasions.

>>174542385
>less than 1k pop
>as aspho
Fucking hell sum1

>>174528040
Quite possible. But at least some of us are trying. If I lose, at least I'll get to start another game, without everyone ignoring Sybats.

>>174546582
>another game, without everyone ignoring Sy
lol no

>>174546842
In this game everybody loses with BoT up.
I changed my win condition from winning, to preventing bats from winning.

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Look like everyone went AI so I win.

Highlights of the game:
- Atlantis deciding to "just pass through" my territory with a huge army of shamblers to reach the second pool during expansion phase. I killed his whole army so he proceeded to do nothing for 30 turns and then went AI.

- Tribless Ashdod blobbing and then getting ganked by my neighbors. He defended his cap for a long time until he got domkilled. His neutral cap remained unoccupied for some 10 turns as a sign of respect.

>>174548719
Atlantis didn't contact you at all with a passage payment?

>>174548719
Boo. Post charts. You don't win til you're Pantokrator in my book you unascended-rejector. Boo

>>174548918
>Atlantis didn't contact you at all with a passage payment?
His first text contact with me was on the same turn he marched into my territory. He obviously underestimated monkeys and was hoping to strong arm his way through.

>>174548939
>Post charts
Could cast eyes of god. Gimme a while.

>>174534118
>Where do I learn how to build a pretender properly?

this thread, /v/anheim chat and by playing multiplayer and theorycrafting builds on your own.

>And about what kind of pretenders I can build?

each pretender can do multiple things and those things could either strengthen your nation main power or aiding it by covering its weaknesses.Another big ideal to follow is to cover or strengthen your nation at one point in time and decide when to conquer half the world based on that.
these are the major roles your pretender can cover, you want to score well in multiple areas if possible.I wanted to make a list but it's too late in the night, but basically it's EVERYTHING you can imagine with sitesearching god, superfighter(against enemy armies), crafter(of non booster items),summoner( unless of national summons or mages that break you into new paths), researcher, gem generator(few god have this ability), capital rusher, assassin,event or gold generator ( few gods have this ability) BEING THE WORST/most situational to design around.
Priorities in designing for your nations should be:
-expanding
-winning the first war
-a bless for early and/or lategame(not all nations want a bless)
-having the economy that better suits your troops and mages in different times( gold VS gems? how many production scales?)
-access to national summons or different paths of magic

note 1: when designing an expander god try to find out what is the cheapest option first. it needs to expand 99% of the times against 80% of indies, nothing more matter.
note 2: when designing around casting a spell or breaking magical path look out for boosters and summonable mages and what are the highest costing spells of that path. you'll find out, for example, than more than 5 earth is useless and if you can't reach Air 4 you won't be able to get any higher with boosters.

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>>174549372
More highlights:
- Agartha going FULL RAPTOR and transforming into burd and alpha striking all of Marignon's provinces.

- Asphodel, who has doing really well, rushing down AI Sceleria, stealing one woodland province from me and bringing down a typhoon of monkey shit on his head. Ended up taking all his land even though I didn't want it.

- C'Tis, who I rushed down earlygame after scouting that he had Sceleria in his capring during expansion, holed up in his capital and spammed bane venom charms. I finally took the fort turn 35 after over 20 turns of sieging it, mostly with throwaway commanders and undead. When I took it the cap was reduced to 30 income.

- AI Xibalba and AI Sceleria who despite bordering me only attacked my enemies. Sceleria especially made life miserable for Asphodel and helped me win that war more quickly.

pic related: my build, scales bandar