/domg/ - Dominions General

First for skele economics is still going on in the other thread.

>>174740194
Skeleonomics is the most fun economics.

Would teleporting my god into an army of 500+ that was scripted to earthquake (they're mostly high hp/high armor or flyers) cause their mages to blow through their gems on EQ? Was thinking of doing that, then returning, and having my army attack them on the same turn.

>>174742191
I think it depends on how tough your god is and how much gear they carry.

>>174742191
Probably not. Mages go off script for armies that are smaller than 20-30 units.

Which brings the question: What are determining factors of scripting? HP, size, number of units, mage paths, etc. I have no clue.

>>174742871
Are you sure about that? If what you say is true it has to be per spell if they go off script or not since anti SC scripting is a thing.

>>174742871
I've honestly not seen that happen.
Are you sure it wasn't a gem usage or range issue?

>>174739867
>someone else did it for me
Thank you Senpai.
A thousand blow jobs await you in the afterlife

>>174742871
No they don't. Mages typically only go off script if they have a range, gem, or path issue.

>>174743956
But I want my thousand blow jobs by virgin neckbeards now!

And for all those who don't believe me go test it out for yourself. I've had multiple times where mages go offscript or cast something completely different depending on the opposing army (taking off range and gems as a factor).

Dead as a skeleton based economy.

>>174747842
I laughed.

>>174747842
maybe the reason the income drops in nearby provinces is because the skeletons immigrate and drive the price of labor down to nothing. theyre practically the chinese

Whats that pretender design site that lets you pick your nation and what you are aiming for?

>>174748986
https://bsielski.github.io/pretenders/

it should really be in the op

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So hey, the /vg/ League 8 has opened up signups. We've taken part in quite a few leagues now, last time getting screwed out of advancing by goal differential of all things, so I figured you guys might want to have another go? I've got an actual computer now instead of a potato, so I can probably do more testing than I've done before since PES won't lag and I can turn the speed up. Downside is, I've been catching up with the last decade of gaming since I got my new computer, so I haven't played much Dominions at all.

Oh, and in case you don't know what I'm talking about, the VGL is a competition between /vg/ generals where teams of AI-controlled memes play virtual divegrass/soccer/football/whateveryouwannacallit. Our general's main claim to fame is our beautiful goalhorn, Elephants Trampling Blood Slaves Forever.

>>174749183
>https://bsielski.github.io/pretenders/
holyshit this site is amazing.

>>174739867
>Fuck you /rsg/
You remembered!
>>174750468
Don't you have a 4chan ball to attend or something?

>>174750468
yesssss

I still nominate our alternate goalhorn, 30 hydras v 30 illithids

>>174742191
Unless your god is really fucking pathetic, yes it would.

Give him a few gems to make sure he triggers gem spending, though.

>>174750468
Yes

put this in the next OP too

http://web.archive.org/web/20150430021604/http://www.desura.com/games/dominions-4-thrones-of-ascensions/forum/thread/core-mp-concepts-that-i-wish-somebody-had-told-me-about/

>>174744392
I'm not a virgin, but we can pretend for tonight ;)

Does Doom give units curses that last outside of that battle? Or is it only for the battle that those units have 'bad luck'?

http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=MagusAssistance
REEEEEEEEEEE!!!!

Do Body Ethereal and Luck stack?

>>174755194
Curse always lasts forever

>>174756284
they're different effects, so yes ofc

>>174756438

Thanks bud

>>174756284
Why wouldn't they stack?

thread already dead? It's the weekend you guys. Where the hell are the Europeans or neet americans at this hour?

>>174759710
getting blazed

>>174759710
Its like 5 am in Europe.

>>174760492
fucking normies.

>>174750671
I want storm demons vs fire sneks

>>174759710
presidential elections today in France, too

>>174764631
First round?

>>174764947
Yes, then 49 more rounds until the other candidate autorouts.

>>174768040
The Lewis model is FULL retard

>>174769350
What Lewis model are you talking about?

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>>174770767
The one the guy I was replying to posted

>>174770810
Thanks.

That does look pretty retarded.

Are there any COOL THINGS I can do as Asphodel or is the faction really as straightforward as it looks?

>>174772772
Ench 6 stuff is cool. So are tarts.

Do you go full Chud Hirdman from turn 1 as MA Rus, or do you first expand with some shit troops?

>>174774673
can supplement with bears for when you're res gated, but still mostly hirdmen

>>174772772
I didn't use it on Asphodel, but Haunted Forest is a fun combo with swarm or creeping doom.

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>>174750468
Might as well get started on collecting roster suggestions. Pic related was our players last league, feel free to suggest new memes(>implying /domg/ has new memes) as players; don't worry about which ones to remove, that'll be sorted out later. Feel free to look at the team's wiki page (https://implyingrigged.info/wiki//domg/) too, there's plenty of players that got kicked off the team over the years but there's no reason some of them couldn't come back on.

Also I am adding 'Innovative Strategy' to the list of suggestions so you don't have to. This time it'll be on the poll from the start.

>>174776494
I think skeleton economics has potential.

>>174776494
Why is it /domg/ is the only page that has player descriptions?

>>174776781
Alright, I'll put that on the list too then.

>>174776956
There are in fact other teams with player descriptions, for example /hanny/ which uses the more common style of having a separate wiki page, but there's no rules requiring them so making them is just a way to pass the time when you've got too much autism and free time.

>>174776494
>For the last 16 turns I have pretended to stale

>Drowned in Sea of Woe

>Horse Tribe Chief

>I love Ictythids

>Non meme summod

I got nothing else.

>>174776956
A lot do.

/hanny/ have a fucking dossier.

https://implyingrigged.info/wiki//hanny/_roster

>>174777370
>For the last 16 turns I have pretended to stale
How about
>Returning after 16 stales is NOT acceptable
as an alternative?

The guy wasn't pretending to stale, and mari's reaction was the funny part.

>>174776494
misf3 IRL
Lukas games/hosting delayed by 168 hours
tribless awake bull
mage support

>>174777370
>>174777521
Sounds decent, but both suggestions are rather wordy. Maybe shorten it to something like 16 STALES or something?

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>>174777521
IIRC someone edited this image with a Carrion Lord, though I didn't save it. That was the reference I was making, but yours is also good.

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>>174777708
I did that.

>>174777793
Also before anyone says anything about spelling or stuff like that I literally copied what a dude wrote out.

>>174777703
I think it loses most of the humor being shortened like that, but you might as well toss it in and see if people like it.

Maybe someone more creative than I can come up with a funny short version.

>>174742191
idk, i think yes it should, but if a unit has 4 items(i think) or 4 gems+4paths of magic(i am sure of that) it will trigger gem spending 100%.

please note that it might get attacked by fliers istantly.

please note that if the enemy mages have a gorillion earth gems each then they will have enough gems to cast EQ on both battles.

please note that if the enemy mages are scripted to wait few turns before casting EQ and in the meantime you retreat or they mindblast your god's ass, then you'll get double fucked.

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bumping

>>174777370
>For the last 16 turns I have pretended to stale
Holy shit those motherfuckers were defending the guy that got shat on.

Do sleep vines do anything against constructs/the undead or is Asphodel just fucked against them?

>>174777370
>16 turns of stale
source

>>174786915
They don't affect lifeless beings

>>174787129
Fireden archive motherfucker.

>>174787129
http://z7.invisionfree.com/Dom3mods/index.php?showtopic=3124&st=150

Read it and weep

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>>174787837
>muh peace treaty hugbox

this is why i stopped playing on the forms

>>174787837
and that is, ladies and gentlemen, why i always do wait until the last 5 minutes, which of course makes everyone rightfully hate me, to send my fucking turn.

>>174788041
How does that prevent being caught by surprise by a staller? You won't know he is back until the next turn.

>>174788373
You can see if his turn comes in

>>174787837
If this was all some cunning ploy then I have to applaud the staler.

>>174788435
Ah true. Waiting til the last minute might be risk in case of random internet failure. I'd rather just send in turns that assume that a stalling nation could come back at any minute unlike malakal in DSDS3.

Dear Neifel,
your buddy here, we were just moving some stuff leftover from expansion south no need to worry about it,
love chinks

>>174788562
>>174788373
>>174788435
you can send in your normal turn then do a modified one in case he comes back and wait until the last minute, if he sends his turn you'll send yours.
i had to do it a couple of times but i would never imagine tihnking about it for a 16-turn staler.

>>174739867
Next time add http://bsielski.github.io/pretenders/ to thread description. Thank you very much.

>>174787837
>>174787831
what the flying fuck. Asphodel is a mater strategist

Magoth x Bifrons OTP

I reformatted and lost all of my dank domg memes. Can someone repost the Forester Bob ones?

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>>174791201
>he doesn't have a usb back up full of his memes implanted under his skin
kek

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>>174791201

Can someone here do a random nation analysis, what you would build in a game, what would your research goals be, how you would build your pretender, how would you expand and all the other jazz. I am am mainly looking for the WHY so that I would be able to analyze your analysis and do it on my own.

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>>174791201
k

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>>174791201
classic

>>174792796
>tfw k8 is in prison

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>>174791201
>>174792961
why is k8 in prison?

>>174793127
she stabbed a man while on meth

>>174793181
did he stale

>>174792796
Wait what does this meme mean? That's scepter right? Is it implying D8 mage vs bob or something? How is that even fair for an early game bob vs late game mages?

>>174793804
It's dominions r34 using our E-celebs

>>174777793
>misspelled staling
Sasuga

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>>174793181
>she

>>174794170
don't misgender k8

deader than ermor's economy

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>>174777793

Fixed it for you.

>>174777370
>>174777521
>>174777703
How about 16 Stale Strat

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http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=MagusAssistance

>>174792573
I do that with natgen nations

>>174803720
Map looks nice. I'll join but I can't decide what to pick yet. actually waiting to pick Ermor in slot 13

>>174777879
>>174793951
>>174800293

>>174804646
I'll be almost disappointed if there isn't an ermor desu

Ok well what is your methodology? Or just do it with let's say MA Man.

>>174811252
It's shit.

>>174811252

Its shit

>>174811252
Alright, so first I look at their rec anywhere battlemages. For MA Man, they're 195 gold for N1+1?AN+1?AN, so a good number of them will be N2, a slightly less good number of them will be N3 or A2. 195 gold for a tstriker/elespammer isn't great, but it's...doable. The N3s can cast any number of big battlefield-wide nature buffs, so that's what I would focus on, sort of like a worse Pangea. The Cap onlies follow this trend, and can also occasionally cast Storm, so it's N buffs and tstrike/elespam for flavour.

Next I look at what troops they have that are worth buffing. For MA Man, that would be...nothing. Logrian Cavalry and Tower Guards would probably be the only things I'd recruit (jesus christ 30 and 13 gold respectively), the Logrian Cavalry as actual killy things, tower guards as blockers. Mass Protection/Wooden Warriors will make them into decently high prot troops, and uh...Howl I guess will distract the enemy? Fucking hell MA Man is a mess.

You know what?

It's shit.

Would anyone want to play a game where there's no gold income, but everyone gets level 0 alchemy spells?

>>174811252
stale 16 turns and go ai, aka its shit

>>174814451
No

>>174811252
>>174813236
>>174814421
>>174814450

OK memes aside heres my take.

Cap only mage can do storm and whatever N spells you want. Its ok.

Logrian wise man is easily recruitable. 1/4 can do magma, 1/4 can spam E spells, 1/4 can do RoS and 1/4 will be useless. You should probably get magic3 for those guys. With enough of them you are bound to amass enough FE and E2 to use in battle.

Daughters are useless, avoid.

Mothers are ok when you have the gold to buy them. I wouldn't unless really rich.

The sacred has very solid protection for MA but it is very slow. It could be situationally useful for chopping big targets.

Knights of Avalon are solid but verye xpensive both in resources and gold. Wouldnt get them really. Other cav also seems useless.

Your main combat troops would be foresters and longbowmen. You can do both flaming arrows and wind guide so that covers your early game. For mid game you need to buff foresters with protection, fog warriors and give them extra killing power with strength if giants and weapons of sharpness. Then they are poor mans revelers.

I would take F4 on pretender to make sure you get those flaming arrows, perhaps some kind of awake. Dragon maybe.

>>174811252
Does the game have summod? Otherwise rethink your decision, odds are you'll pick a better nation because less than a handful are worse.

>>174814451
Make your goddamn videos Sy

>>174811252
Having just tested vanilla man, >>174815593 is very right. Taking f4 on a dragon is a solid option for early expansion and ensures flaming arrows which will help you out a lot against early aggression you would undoubtedly face when you play Man. The extra expansion offered by the dragon is also key since Man expands shittily, and you have easy access to N so you can cure it's afflictions later on. Magic/Growth scales are good, you could take growth 2 magic 2 with 1 point into cold. Alternatively an awake boar or earth snake would with e4 would give you a nice bit of reinvig for your sacred mages and expand better than a dragon. A thrice horned boar with e4 can have mave magic 3, earth 3, and prod 1 while being awake which would help a ton. You would have to rely on random chance to get fire arrows but with an awake boar expanding it wouldn't be a nightmare. Whatever you do make sure you test what your awake expander can and can't deal with when it comes to fighting indy troops.

Knights of Man are fantastic cavalry in the MA but they are expansive, if you have the money they're solid to recruit. Your main force will be mostly longbowmen and spear infantry though. Wardens make solid stealthy raiding forces since they'll easily smash most PD, just set them as far forward as possible and set to attack closest. This would obviously be during wars though when you have at least 2 forts up and can afford to spend some money on a scary raiding party, and you shouldnt make more than 2 groups of 10 or so to smash through most PD.

But it's still shit.

>>174817057
access to N does not let you cure afflictions. You need blood magic for that.

Man's pretty good in summod

>>174817518

No, its not. Summod doesn't even attempt to fix their weaknesses - bad combat magic/mages, bad troops. They're not even much cheaper either.

>>174818261
It also makes everything they have slightly better - more A2 mothers, more A3 crones, cheaper cavalry (logrians go from 30->20, which is pretty big) but the most important change is the addition of the national buff spells. At Ench 3/Alt 3, you get LoS, SoG, Luck, Twist Fate, and Sermon of Courage to put on your knights. Later, you get full elemental coverage, liquid body, moss body, and weapons of sharpness. That's a pretty huge buff for a cav oriented playstyle, which frankly doesn't exist in vanilla.

>>174818991

Vanilla has Man with very accessible very cheap RoS spamming mages that can really put the hurt on many other vanilla MA nations.

>>174818261
>bad combat magic/mages

The mages get hilarious buffed, and have a whole array of national spells that would be outright broken on any other nation.

>bad troops

They have solid troops - Knights of Avalon/Forestors with excellent buffers is hardly *bad*. They're no chuds/einhere - but they're well above average.

Saying summod doesn't even attempt to fix their problems is retarded. They go from a trash bin nation to a solid, decently strong nation, probably around the middle of the pack overall.

>>174819125
RoS also is very unkind to Man as a nation, given their squishy humanness. It being harder to cast helps about as much as it hurts.

>>174819208
>middle of the pack overall.
which land nations are worse? Eriu and Machaka?

>>174819373
Disagree a fair bit with this one. MA is the era of skelemans and communions. Man has relatively smaller and more agile mageballs, and it doesn't have easy access to alternative battlefield clear.

>>174817228
i was thinking of the miraculous cure all, but that only cures disease. you do get gift of health which cures all over, and admittedly the chalice is n5s3 which is mostly out of reach of Man but still nature. but you are right still

>>174819373

Oh no, you will lose your foreign recruit logrians to suicide RoS casts? Because vanilla E1A1 can cast RoS with 3 E gems you know.

>>174819567
Leaving out the UW nations: Eriu, Machaka, TC, Marignon, Xibalba (on a low cave map), C'tis, Arco, Shinuyama (provided unlimited Immortal works got fixed), Pythium, and seemingly Bandar Log (BL does shit for reasons I don't fully understand).

Summod buffs them harder than any other nation in MA, and harder than any nation period sans EA Abysia. The low research AOE 5 double buff spells let Knights of Avalon steam roll over quite a few nations with Luck/Twist fate/Legions/SoG, and later an AOE 5 0 gem wave warriors+weapons of sharpness is incredibly good.

Bewitchment is also a very good spam spell for A1N1s against anything not mindless.

>>174819713
Oh right, I guess MA Man doesn't care too much about RoS in vanilla since they don't really get useful mages to lose in Vanilla.

Unlike in summod, where they actually do get useful mages (even if this was done by sum1won adding a shitload of special snowflake national spells instead of just giving them better pathing).

made my tury early and forgot to send it. Sorry everyone.

just got into modding dom 4, only have worthy heroes so far. Is summod a good one to get?

>>174820814
It's a standard on domg

>>174820653

Berytos 2h file received
C'tis 2h file received
Helheim Waiting for 2h file
Machaka 2h file received
Niefelheim 2h file received
R'lyeh 2h file received
T'ien Ch'i 2h file received

Guess it's time to pay the giants to remove the other elves too

>>174821019
Nah.

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http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=MagusAssistance

>>174821213
Monolith teleport cross ups 2 strong, pls nerf.

>>174821390
Plus the Monodrop special is retarded. Either you land it and they are basically dead one hit, or they dodge and you just sit there and get pounded till your meter refills.

>>174824103
admit it anon, you love getting pounded while waiting for things to fill

>>174821213
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=aBoneToPick

d-don't forget me kohai

>>174821213
why is the virtue licking the hot dog

Is anyone in InVinoVeritas here? I need to have some serious discussions.

>>174827394
Probably supposed to be his sword.

>>174827452
Maybe, why?

Bats have resorted to using flying bane venom carriers to fuck with the Holy Anti-Bat Alliance...grrr...

Not sure what Sy's trying to say other than "Next time, kill me before I can be this much of a dick."

>>174827729
I've got important diplomacy to do. Get in group chat if you're interested.

>>174827841
heh. I remember doing that to Sy once in a game where I was bats and he was ganking me. Good times.

At least he hasn't started setting up flying raiders yet.

We'll see. I just made the unpleasant discovery that patrolling happens AFTER movement.

What are all of the charm spells that let the target retain commander status?

>>174827227
If the admin for the game isn't dead, please remove Man. I sent the wrong pretender like 3 times and one of them was the wrong nation

>>174830528
No!

>>174827841
>>174828548
well, when you've been gang banged out of the game, it makes sense to just fuck with the people that killed you as much as possible.

>>174827841
mate, I've been fighting between two and five players since year TWO. You really can't start gang banging someone any earlier.

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How is this for a EA Caelum Pretender? N9E4 makes all their sacreds (particularly eagle kings) tanky and able to reinvig. The others are for national summons and the abiltity to forge boosters to then later be able to get the national summons.

Thinking taking sloth 2 for another scale somewhere else, just looking for some advice.

>>174831662
If you want to actually be tryhard, take an awake azi. If you want to meme it up with eagle king thugs instead of using them as the supermages they are, then I guess?

>>174831662
F4 is overkill for the D summons.
You could get some points there.
Take G3 if you only have 120pts though.

>>174831662
F1D2N9E4,
Dom5
G3 O3 misf1 cold3
You could do magic2 misf0 instead but you're going to get more RP out of order 3 than m2 since your main researchers are expensive but we'll worth the cost.

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>>174827227
7 players now, is that enough to start?

>>174821213
Why not update to the most recent version?

>>174835543
how often do games get hosted here? I'd like to start playing multiplayer soon, but I'm still not ready yet

>>174837090
Games can get hosted as soon as you are ready. You just have to do the hosting.

>>174821019
>>174821161
My bad everyone, had a very busy weekend. Just happy I didn't stale.Did a double too.

How do you pretender for MA Abysia? High scales because you lack sacreds? e4 for your warlocks? What paths are vital, and how the fuck do you get smoulderghosts if you can't get any D mages natively?

>>174842084
Apparently the most successful is one who can mass demon contracts.

Playing my first game now, wish me luck

>>174843554
good luck!

>>174843554
Chose vanheim, what exactly am I in for?

>>174843730
Thanks, this general seems great and I hope I can contribute to the activity of it.

>>174844201
Ea or MA?
Ea is a lot stronger with armies that are stealthy, super strong sacreds, and good thugs/battlemages.
MA is essentially the same thing but weaker

>>174845479
einheres are cool

>>174843554
multiplayer?

>>174846687
Singleplayer.

I love ichtyids!

Is having an awake expander better than having a solid bless on asphodel? I feel like it is because a good bless on centaurs will taper out late game while an erf snake will get you into earth for some cool stuff and expand way better

Am requesting a 6 hour extension in 4th turning tomorrow. Steam is acting a little fucked up.

>>174852451
This would be swell.

>>174845586
true but they're basically just cheap not sacred vanhere

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Trying to test MA Man w/ SM and ME, what's going on?

>>174854535
Which one is monster 6456?

>>174855302
The ids don't go that high.

>>174854535
you dont need summod and summod/ME on at the same time, just summod/ME has both. that's why its fucking up

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Hey Phuidh, I'm gonna take 32 this turn.

>>174855729
In that case, are the mods in http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=aBoneToPick fine? Not gonna cause errors? Cuz it looks like they might.

>>174856634
yeah, don't run the combined mod with the mods also include separately

>>174856710
You heared him here Admin. I'll submit a pretender for the Ninth Nation, Man, once this is fixed.

>>174853503
You get em out of every fort and you're not limited by your dom score. Means you get a lot more of em. Having great regular units is just really nice. EA Vanheim basically doesn't have units worth recruiting outside of its cap.

>>174856864
>a bone to pick is going to start
finally

>>174827452

Who is this?

>>174857513
I've had the discussion I needed most already, but I'm always up for more

>>174850496
Take both. You can afford a W9E4 hound of hades

What are some pretenders with unusual equipment slots?

I know Crone has 4 accessories, Freak Lord has 3, and Drakon has 3 heads.

>>174857417
is fix

>>174858424

Octopus has 4 arms and two misc slots.

>>174858424
Found this but it's probably outdated

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B7TQ3dXYvc1qNU84dnJ3U3cxR0k/edit

>>174858628
Ok here's another potential issue, the DL link for WH is 5.8.3, but the game page says 5.8.2.

>>174859206
I'm just going to make a copy of the .dm and rename it to 5.8.2 and hope it works until it doesn't, in which case I beg for a 5.8.2 DL in thread.

>>174859391
it should.

>turn 1
>someone else's dominion on an adjacent province

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>174860682
Rush for cap; turn 12 kill

So i downloaded worthy heroes and here it says
Bernlad (376), Green Knight, regeneration, recuperation, stealth (+stats, +personal luck, +slots, +regeneration [20])
but I just got Bernlad and he has only 10% regeneration and no personal luck.

>>174861340
Are you at the latest version?
Have you sent him into a battle? Might be cast-on-battle personal luck instead of permanent luck.

>>174861415
the first result was 5.8, I considered the cast on battle personal luck, but I'm still bummed about the regeneration

>>174861498
The luck is with a battlespell. The regen is missing, though.

>>174861340
You sure you are using the right version?

>>174858424
Divine Emperor or whatever it is that EA Ermor for example has has 4 misc slots I think.

>>174862617
I removed it and changed it 5.5 since that what everyone else seems to be using

>>174864280
5.6 to 5.8.x are literally just fixes to 5.5 which was riddled with bugs and writing errors

>>174864391
arghhh, oh well I'll just uninstall

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GHOULISH HORRORS
BROUGHT LOW, AND DRIVEN INTO THE MUD

I want to lead the THUG LIFE against EVERYONE ALL THE TIME. Which nation should I play in each era?

>>174867412
Non exclusive list of nations with good recruitable thug chassis

EA:
Tir Na Nog, Vanheim, Helheim, Niefelheim

MA:
Vanheim, Eriu (they're shit), Jotunheim

LA:
Utgard

Since Desura is kill where do you find games now aside from here and 10bux?

>>174867664
You just listed the giants. They're all good but other nations have recruitable thugs too even if they're not quite giant/elf level.

>>174867412
giants and elves are the best, but Pangaea can thug pans and LA Ulm gets vampires that are passable thugs in their dominion. EA Yomi's Dai Oni are okay as well. None of those nations come close to elf or giant levels, but its something to consider if you dont want to just play elves and giants.

>>174867978
I just join games here mostly. I know people use reddit too, and there's always invision. Unless 10bux is some old way of referring to invision.

>>174868228
10bux is Something Awful.

>>174868271
I didn't even know something awful still existed, or that people actually browsed it enough to have a nickname for it

>>174847126
i am sorry.

>>174868615
Oddly enough it is one of the major Dominions communities.

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>>174868228
How do you thug a Pan? I thought they were supposed to be supermages, or is that a type of thug?

>Warrior Smiths are 105 gold a pop
>A lot of them get E2
>Some get F2 W2 A2 or E3
>Master Smiths
>Produce resources
>They're armored
>Average research for cost
How is this fair? They're pretty much unmatched bang for buck. It's not like Ulm's troops are awful either. Their sacreds are bad but Steel Maidens are very good and are stealthy to boot.

>>174868824
most all thugs use some magic. Pans can easily cast a ton of self buffs like iron skin, enlarge, strength of giants, reinvig and regeneration, and they have enough health that they'll survive. They can also get frost brands from dryads with W random, though you'll have to find the gems for it. They're far from ideal, but they're more than capable of taking out most PD people will set up, and they're even recruit anywhere which is nice.

>>174868809
Learn something every day I guess.

>>174869354
EA in general is like that, most nations have good mages and everything is nice. It seems strong glancing but then you get bless rushed by giants while mictlan, bats, and lanka fight over demon lords and then elves win. Ulm's a good nation but they're not even close to being unfair

>>174868615
I still cant believe people paid real money to go on a website and shitpoast with each other.

>>174870415
I mean, 4chan is the result of making 10bux 0bux.

>>174870415
>shitpoast

Man, after paying 10 bucks to get in, the last thing you want to do is shitpost there.
Good idea, whoever it was - I'm really tempted to join just to read all the AAR's ...

>>174870849
I think you can read posts without paying. At least that's the case most of the time.

>>174870825
Yeah but I sure as hell wouldn't be here if it cost me money.
>>174870849
It might be the last thing you want to do but it will still probably happen.

>>174870849
I'd take reading skeleton economy shitposts and t. malakal memes for free over 10$ AAR's any day

>>174871109
This might be a business opportunity. We should charge for dank domg memes. Sell premium "why can't I hold all of these gems???" jaypegs.

>Fall in love with one faction and can't play anything else because it feels bad in some way
What do?

>>174868228
>You just listed the giants.
But the majority of that list is elves?

>other nations have recruitable thugs too even if they're not quite giant/elf level.
>Pan, LA Ulm, Yomi
Let me remind you what he said
>I want to lead the THUG LIFE against EVERYONE ALL THE TIME
Pan, Ulm, Yomi do thugging more on the side. Their thugs aren't good enough (or in yomi's case, widely available enough) for it to be their main strategy

How the fug I'm suposed to do research as EA ulm?? I have an awoke expander if it matters. Asking for a friend

>>174871598
Just play your nation anon. If no games are in that era then make one. I feel the same way sometimes desu but I do try and find other perfect nations.

>>174871620
I realized that right after I posted I just said giants and not giants/elves. And yeah they do thug more on the side, but they can do it a lot still. Yomi is the least thuggable of them. I'd add in Ermor and Lemuria to the list too

>>174872609
I hear Atlantis can thug pretty well if they want to with queens and kings.

>>174872508
???
Your Smiths only cost 105 each and provide 9 research each. They're also your site searchers and battle mages. They can also craft Lightless Lanterns and Owl Quills for 3 gems each. 1 gem each with a hammer. Your shamans can craft Skull Mentors. EA Ulm are research gods. There aren't many factions that are anywhere close to being this good at research. A rare few are better.

>>174872645
I've never tried it but I could see how.

>>174872508
Build smiths? If you had an awake expander then you should have tons of money and have plenty of forts. Just build smiths and then build research boosters.

>>174872508
Also you dun goofed by not making an A4E3 pretender that can craft a Staff of Elemental Mastery.

~EA Ulm Boosting~
F2 (Smith)->F3 (+Staff)->F3 (Flame Spirit)->F4 (+Staff)->F5 (+Flame Helmet)->F5 (King of Elemental Fire)-> F7 (+Helmet+Staff)

Water you could already boost from 2 to 8 but the staff makes it easier.

E3 (Smith or Pretender)->E4 (+Boots)->E5 (+Staff)->E5 (King of Elemental Earth)->E6 (+Staff)

A4 (Pretender)->A5 (+Winged Helmet)->A5 (Queen of Elemental Air)->A8 (+Helmet+Staff+Bag of Winds)

D and N can be boosted via the standard summons. With some items your mages can cast spells like Fog Warriors and Flame Storm. You're a late-game terror.

>>174873454
>>174872824
>>174872732
What about research goals?

>>174873739
Research goals are super hard to get right since they heavily depend on what you're facing. If you're getting rushed by small sacreds then Earth Meld is really important to get early. If you're not fighting anyone early on you should be going for Construction to grab the research boosters. If you're going to be fighting a major war in the first few years you want Maws of the Earth, Blade Wind, Destruction, Earthquake.. Summon Earthpower is of course important. Being the first to grab Rain of Stones gives you a massive advantage and is an "I WIN" spell against bad players.

EA Ulm is incredibly versatile and as such it is incredibly It Depends.

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How to fix Yomi
>Oni commanders going into spirit form no longer drop equipment

There fixed

>>174876424
NO
CALL THE POLICE
NOOOOO

>>174831095
Considering how well bats were doing at first, it would've been suicidal not to attack them in the long run. After the Anti-Bat Alliance collapsed and bats seemed weaker I was willing to leave them alone, but they immediately went back to raiding my territory with 150 or so bats while killing Niefelheim. So we didn't really have a choice. If he's gonna Bat-Bully everyone around him, and fuck with anyone who attacks him...the moral of the story is to terminate bats with extreme prejudice, as soon as possible. Like with MA Ermor.

>>174876526
Can bats do anything vs RoS?

>>174874006
One thing I never got about RoS is how do I protect my own mages/doods against their own spell?

>>174739867
havent played this in a while, does it have basic diplomacy yet?

>>174876424
F

>>174876860
Prot spells or armor. You can't protect any significant number of your dudes against RoS early on but you can protect your mages. Also if we are to be precise it should be chicks rather than dudes since your army is 99% Steel Maidens.

>>174876657
Buff with stoneskin/ironskin, move around your armies with flying movement, send thugs to take provinces with RoS traps.

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So Baby-RNGesus is over. Marverni takes the win. It was a long and stupid game.

In the beginning 2 nations stalled turn1 and Vanheim and Mictlan were swallowed by Fomoria and Berytos. Sauro started to stale and was swallowed by Maverni and TC. Helheim also stalled and was swallowed by Maverni and Fomoria. TC stalled was swallowed by Maverni and Fomoria. So in the end it was just Maverni vs Fomoria. I was able to make 1 fully kitted golem every 2 turns so Fomoria started losing every battle everywhere. Gift from heavens killed all his kitted SCs and then AIed. From there on it was a slog to finish the game with throne points.

Whoever hosted Baby_rngesus I hate you for leaving basically turn 20 and letting nations stale.

>>174878684

Badmins ruining games, as usual.

Could I get a download link for Worthy Heroes 5.8.2?

Current version has updated, and the thread linked only has the latest (5.8.3).

>>174876424
rip

>>174878684
>i was only pretending to stale for 16 turns

>>174881967
Versions 5.8, 5.8.2 and 5.8.3 are all compatible in-game as they are just sprite fixes. That's why the host didn't bother to keep 5.8.2 around

>>174881967
>>174859391
>>174859690

>>174884376
5.8.3 actually fixes an LA Arco hero

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what did okofire mean by this?

>>174885808
>intelligence equates knowledge
Kek when will brainlets learn

>>174831662
cant you just empower a rehab?

why do email games take so long
cant we just all enjoy BLITZES

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>>174883965
That would've certainly hurt a lot during certain points, but ultimately delayed the inevitable domination.

>>174886380
Some people have jobs, school, etc. Pbem is an actually relaxing way of playing a game without having to invest 10hrs in one day.

>Normies ree etc etc

Why do people stale? What makes one turn so evil, so depraved, so honorless?

>>174876657
Kail doesn't have RoS.

Also, could I get like a 2-hour extension? I may not need it depending on my personal commute, just want to be safe.

>>174876657
not really.
their whole nation dies to turn 1 RoS and storm wrecks them too.

they can stealth around and be annoying, they can fill forts with 1000 bats and be annoying, but if you got a turn 1 RoS squad their only real outs are bringing their god ( to istant blood9 bless) into fights or having thugs/SCs to counter your RoS.

When is awe needed in an awake expander?

>>174887986
Sure, I'll give you 4

>>174889143
Oh, hey, our Mictlan sub didn't actually sub for more than one turn. Would anyone mind peeping the turn to make sure that it wasn't used to giftbasket someone and then set them AI?

>>174889063
It certainly helps against most indepedents, but not undead or mages or anything else with perfect morale. With an awake expander you want to meet a threshold of "captures most provinces," and there are several ways to get there. You can have inpenetrable defenses like the Earth snek, be killy like the hound of Hades, have trample like the kamedhenu. The more of these things you have, the better.

>>174887986
you have strong thugs and the paths to make their gear.
Bats stand very little chance against a properly equipped yak with a good buff cycle.
You can even send some markata to take Lance hits

>>174855779
Alright, but please don't go further west, we might bump

>>174867279
A glimmer of hope
Or is that just a trick of the light?

>>174889143
>>174890987
Thanks, I actually have time, I'll do it right now.

And I'd much rather use quickened sacreds en masse than a couple of geared thugs for actual battles. Once I get Fog Warriors, bats should be toast.

>>174891686
for actual battles for sure, but for dealing with bat raids you can't beat a single mage

>>174892249
He's not raiding me right now, unless you count bane venom sneaky fuckers. Also, what is this Waters of Stygia that Therodos just put up? Presumably it gives him lots of D gems? How many?

>>174892368
>manual4.pdf
It gives soldiers no d gems.

>>174892368
It gives up to 20 water gems and freespawn in exchange for quickly killing any of his living pop.

And the water gems are territory dependent.

>>174892524
It's Summod, you ass. And the description specifically references magical energy being harvested. About how many soldiers does it give? I mean is it Ermor-style or just a mild boost?

>>174892368
It's like ermorian deadlands except W gems.

>>174893730
It also has a lower cap than deadlands.

>>174893774
For 50 death gems that sounds super shitty.

>>174893920
Don't cast it, then.

Is drain2 that bad?

>>174894603
Your exact situation could alter how it is perceived

>>174894021
Is there any situation where it would be useful?

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>>174894603

How are you supposed to get a lot of vanjrals with vine shields for EA Vanheim when you don't have any N mages?

You have to get N independents who are N1 for and site search quite early i presume but it still takes a while to get a decent income.

>>174894826
Yes.

Where somebody thinks a 20 gem income increase and a solid freespawn increase are worth the 50 gem outlay.

>>174894869
Your pretender probably has N9W9 if you want to thug, so you get him to forge a thistle mace. Otherwise, trade for one

>>174894776
>>174894863
Well, the nation is shinu
I am min-maxing my god for magusassistance

>>174894985
Yes, if he's imprisoned that'll be ~36 before I can even start forging thistle mages so maybe turn 40 before I can start using Vanjarl thugs. I thought Vanjarls were supposed to be the mainstay of Vanheim.

>>174889063
-when it doesn't expand safely against most indies otherwise ( like 100% chance to win if it's not against mages or specific types of tribes you know like barbarians and heavy cavalry and undeads)

-when you want to capital rush someone, probably with a flying dragon. note that it isn't even good against scripted armies because having 15 morale troops is not uncommon.

>>174895154
Don't get misfortune with drain.

>>174895772
until somebody decides to spam baleful star
gg

>>174895154
You want growth and magic typically as shinu. You can take some sloth. Growth for your old mages, and magic since you'll be very very reliant on your old mages casting spells. A bless really doesn't do much for you since it only affects your old mages and a couple of summons like tengu, and you only get air gems if you get your pretender to search for air sites since none of your mages have air. e4 is okay for the reinvig since sorcerers are old. Either a dormant rainbow to sitesearch with and forge boosters or an awake expander

>>174896431
>forge boosters
you mean elem staff?
It seems the main boosters the mages can forge by themselves already

>>174893730
It's D gems not W.

>>174894982
There is no gem increase, just a few units. It's more of an exchange of D gems for slow random recruitment of mages. It sucks.

>>174896628
Staves can be nice, or you can go s for some lategame magic, rings, and finding s sites. It depends

>>174896431
Drain only adds a little fatigue though, and your old supermages don't lose much RP/gold from it either. It's fine so long as you don't combine it with misfortune, because fuck those gemloss events.

>>174876424
Tortoises float though dont they?

>>174872609
What other nations play like EA Ulm? Their mages are strong, cheap, and good at research. Early on you can mass them for battle magic. In the lategame you can armor a few and use them to cast battle-winning spells They don't have to rely on communions so they're not as vulnerable to a lot of things. The troops are above average too.

>>174887772
>he doesnt stale tactically to lure others into a trap
Never gonna make it.

This is going to make admining so much harder. How can we know when to sub a player out when they might just be staling TACTICALLY?

>>174899595
>start going stale
>admin wants to sub you
>pretend to be someone new and give him your email
T A C T I C S

>>174899993
>Not secretly being the admin in the first place
get on my level girl

>>174900078
>not playing all nations at the same time
scrub

>>174900496
>not being all posters on /domg/
m8..

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>>174900674

>>174900782
>implying that's not literally me talking to myself to mislead third parties

>>174900496
>>174900674
>not posting from multiple IPs to pretend there's more than 1 person on /domg/
wew

>>174899347

Sure.
Like a rock.

>>174900908
>he doesn't argue with himself in steam chat to make it look like he's at war with the some of the other nations he's playing

>>174899993
This has already been my go-to for getting out of uncomfortable diplomatic situations. No one wants to gang up on the new guy, and he doesn't need to respect the terms of your NAP

>>174901051
Forgot my name.

>>174898843
Your main researchers are ubas, and they're a little expensive. magic 3 makes them have 16 rp a turn, which is much better for the price since they won't be casting many spells. going drain 1 drops them to 12 research a turn, which is kind of dismal for the price.

>>174899357
The other ages of Ulm. If you mean in EA, Caelum has decent research mages that can do some stuff in battle. Abyssia's mages are great as researchers and spell casters, they're just abyssia so they're not that great. Ulm's reliance on a small number of staple mages is pretty much their thing though.

>>174900782
The internet is just you and one other person who types really fast.

>>174901197
Oops, used the wrong name there

>>174901310
>Your main researchers are ubas
what about summod shamen?

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>>174901927
What bless?

Also why are you fighting with 10 tomb kings? Shouldn't most of them be summoning more tomb worms?

>>174901927
TROOP SUPPORT

Unfortunate luck with my tomb kings arriving at a fortress which was immediately besieged, thus being unable to summon tomb wyrms until the siege broke. I figured I'd get some use out of them rather than have them just sit on 'defend' in the fort.

>>174902483

You really should patrol more.

>>174901927
>>174902483

Also hop in the steam chat if you can, wanted to discuss some things.

>>174903253

I'm outside the house with no steam, it'll have to happen later.

Funniest part of IVV

Rlyeh: I don't want to hand Malakal the game. Then proceeds to do everything to hand Malakal the game.

Like jeez, at least admit to it.

>>174902286
>>174901927

ARMY ASSISTANCE

>>174901927
I feel like that should be winnable for rus if he dumped air elementals either at the start or the end of his t-strike script, but I can definitely see how it could go either way.

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what music do you listen to while playing dominions?
don't say to the soundtrack because after 200+ hours of that it's downright disheartening.
do you have something like a youtube playlist you can recommend me, /domg/?

Fuck the mage AI

>>174904431

He did at start, his mages died to BV afterwards when they started using t-strike. Judging by that he really cant t-strike if he wants his mages to live.

Also elementals behaved odd, like if they were scripted to hold and attack or something.

>>174904529
The soundtrack is really good yo.

>>174904589
did he manage to buff the air eles?

>>174904529
Mostly hyphy music.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpgL9My09OY

>>174904953

Storm only.

Helheim 2h file received
Kailasa 2h file received
Marverni 2h file received
Mictlan Waiting for 2h file
Niefelheim 2h file received
Sauromatia 2h file received
Therodos 2h file received
Xibalba 2h file received

>Mictlan Waiting for 2h file

>>174905654
>Mictlan
>Turn 34: Turn received
>Turn 35: Staled
>Turn 36: Staled
>Turn 37: Staled

10/10 sub

>>174905779
Subbed for 1 turn then gave up

>No new games on /domg/ or invision for the last few days
H E L P
E
L
P

>>174904529
Simon Swerwer's Dwarf Fortress stuff

The Caves of Qud OST

A bunch of Spanish procession music + Liszt's Totentanz

Random Hirasawa stuff (I won't lie, the more Berserk the better)

Manowar

Communions are just so vulnerable to so many things. How are you meant to use them once people can cast the big evocations? Communion factions feel like memes for that reason.

>>174905913
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=MagusAssistance

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>>174904589

>b9 tomb wyrms

seems dumb

>>174906298
ur dumb

>>174876871

No, only advanced diplomacy.

>>174906379

no seriously, it means you have to take a useless pretender to get b9, pigeonholes you into having no versatility

Is Boarverni a legit meme or a "i'm gonna lose in a fun way haha" meme?

>>174906931

Playing Marverni is the "i'm gonna lose in a fun way haha" meme.

>>174907448
National troops aside, the mages don't look that awful. 45g 7 Research S1 casters..

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>>174907596

>>174906931
Unlimited Boar works is a legitimate strategy, however it won't be enough to win alone if you're not in a noob game. But it still is probably the most effective non skeleton chaff factory in the game if you go N9 or B9 or both at the same time. B9 will limit your gift of heavens casting however.

>>174907596
If they reach evo their gift from heavens kills basically anything if it hits. They also have unlimited boar works. It's a weird nation. Their access to astral allows for mindhunts however.

>>174907770
>tfw all of the old Dom3 peeps keep raving about communions
Did people just not RoS as Ulm in the Dom3 days?

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which will help me not get instagibbed?

>>174908617

Neither. Left can fight better but it wont work awake as an expander, needs items.

Also you may want to consider scales that will get you troops to use.

does death weapons affect bows?

>>174909156
F9 and D9 both work with ranged attacks, but not mind blast

>>174908617
Both of these are awful. The only expander Shinuyama has access to is the Earth Snake, which can go e4 and take growth 3 and magic 3 with a dominion of 7. itll expand fine just like that. you can put 2 or 3 points into sloth to take some order or luck if you want. you dont want to take disorder 3 or cold 3, especially not both since they'll hurt your income way too much and your mages are expensive and your troops take gold more than resources. if you want a rainbow then make them dormant since there's no point in them being awake really, and don't give them dom 9 unless you really need it.

>>174905909
Yeah, that's honestly why I was concerned. I thought that he might have just sent someone his gem stocks and then ignored it.

>>174906040
Communions are a tool. You don't throw 50 mages at every problem. You make, say, 4 slave 8 master communions and deploy them alongside individual larger casters

>>174906040
fortunately only few factions run big communions. eventually everyone is weak to one strat and will have to develop an answer for it.

>>174912461
Perhaps he just ragequit after getting confused about how llamaserver works

>I've submitted my fucking .trn file and sent it back to the server twice and I just got a message reminding me to do my turn because it will be hosting in 12 hours. Why the fuck is nothing working at all? I'm doing my turn, grabbing the fucking .trn file in the folder and attatching it to a reply directly to this address. Why on earth is it acting like I've never sent in my turn? I'm just going to drop this if your servers don't even work.
>It sends me a .trn file and I have to send back a .2h file? Why?

>>174901927
Due to being a bad/inexperienced I've long since made peace that this was going to be a war of attrition.

I actually consider this a decent result considering high HP BV troops are bullshit.

>>174914781
but he did do a turn

>>174915021
Use more - elementals, skelespam, earthquakes (sacrificing some of your alchemists to kill his sauromancers), antimagic + flaming arrows with masses of archers, fog warriored units (summons like fire elementals work great), and other things that aren't evo spam