/civ4xg/ - Strategy/4X General

Does an ant colony count as one sentient mind?

Elves are the objectively superior lifeforms.

>>174192432
no

spiders are pure

unlike filthy ant scum

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welp

>>174192474
GEORGE LUCAS GET OUT

>>174192549
Around space elves,
watch yourselves.

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>>174192549

>>174192701
>still no option to say, "Yeah okay, let us know how it goes in a couple years."

Disappointing.

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SHIT I JUST WENT IN FOR A SWIPE ON THE STAR GOD WITH A 40K FLEET AND BARELY DID 6% DAMAGE, HE WAS JUST SITTING THERE BUT NOW HE IS RAVAGING THROUGH MY ENTIRE SYSTEM

WHAT DO

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>>174192701

>still no glorious robot communism

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Its nice to meet friendly face in the blackness of space.

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>>174192864
>>174192838
Really, I'd reward this kind of initiative

>>174192856
Is that the End of the Cycle?

>>174192864
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lKHIL1eSVU

>>174192469
elves are professional rapists that live in a hole in the ground

>>174193098
No

>>174193005
Are you the same species?

>>174193161
You mean professional rapees?

>>174193170
Then what is it?

>>174193253
Yep.
I made like 6 different species and give each few empires(they have similar ethics usually) and put them in small galaxy. Increased empires amount up to 20.
Pretty fun.
Played as fanatical purifiers and there is up to 3 more in galaxy.

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>>174192898
>wanting robot communism when you have glorious robot capitalism

>>174193330
Looks like Stellarite Devourer

>>174193098
Stellar Devourer.
Idk how anon managed to lose with a 40k fleet or convince him to start attacking inhabited worlds tho, I've never so much as seen him move once.

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i swear a month after i reform my government the first emperor dies and his young daughter takes the throne, AFTER i pick a leader lifespan tech.

I mean he was old and all...but. HMMMMMMM

>>174193409
Bretty neat desu. So you have increased opinion for being of the same species right?

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What fair demands at this given time

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>>174193860
Yep.
But do not expect to much diplomacy options from them.

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>>174192242
>FE declares war on our federation
>5 empires in our federation
>faggots have yet to send a single god damn fucking ship WTF YOU FAGGOTS WHY AREN'T YOU FIGHTING!?

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is it good?

>>174194090
> Border Expansion
Exactly what you should be doing at this time
> Strong Alone
Not exactly difficult to avoid federating in 2206

Is there any easy way to search for planets with the terraforming candidate modifier?

>>174194554
>EVER falling for the federation meme

>>174194657
They have blue planet symbols on the galactic map

>>174194627
Not really.
Try better Sword of the Stars 1 or Distant Worlds.

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>>174192242
Ants are food. Fuck you OP.

>>174192469
Elves are for torture.

>>174194627
Full of new ideas that are poorly implemented.

>>174194654
I Can't afford to be throwing around outposts at the moment and I haven't made contact with any empire

My ships aren't attacking the unbidden portal, they are all stacking on top of it, is that a bug?

>>174195096
destroy anchors first

>>174195096
Did you kill all the anchors?

>>174195096
Gotta kill the anchors first, anon.

Good luck with that btw.

>>174194753
Isn't that when they are being terraformed? the only blue ones I see are being terraformed at least.

>>174194910
back in your box dumb spider

Are the stellaris DLCs worth the money?

So I just got the In Limbo special project that houses all the data banks of the extinct aliens. Is there any other special events involved with them besides downloading them and handing them off to fallen empires, or could you plant their brains into synthetics or something?

Feels like a huge missed opportunity if you couldn't revive their entire species after hoping they would do so in the future.

>>174196162

Leviathans , Utopia and Horizon signal ( not sure if the last is a dlc or not ) are worth having , however you can buy the game in steam and pirate the dlc just fine

no problems with steam or multiplayer, the only reason to pay for them is to supports the devs if for some reason you wanted to do that

>>174196569
horizon signal is dlc but it's free

>>174192349
Why's that?

Don't you get 100% habitability, improved yields, and no need for farms?

>Year 2283
>tech for spaceport IV has not shown up a single fucking time

Suck my dick Paracuck. I have a 25k fleet right now made up of only corvs and destroyers. This is some real bullshit.

>>174196837
Yes, but you also need to manually build every new pop for the rest of the game, and that gets really tedious.

>>174196837
You lose gene traits, and nobabies on top of not being able to grow normal pops and robots in parallel kills your expansion.

>>174197452
>colonize new world
>spend, at max, ~4,000 energy to queue up all the pops
>which shouldn't even be a problem late game, where you're not rapidly colonizing.

>>174197634
I said tedious, not difficult.

>>174197616
Also cybernetic trait can be added to any of your pops with genesplicing but you can't promote meat pops into androids after the initial conversion.

>>174197707
>what are sectors

>>174197707
>something that takes less than a minute for a size 25 planet with no blockers
>tedious

>>174197757
How can you add the cybernetic without completing The Flesh is Weak?

>>174196265
If you have synths you can upload them yeah. I think you might be able to do so with droids too for a slightly different outcome.

>>174198085
Who said you can?

>>174192549
>no option for telling him he's doing a bang-up job
damn the eternal swede

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Voidborn + space habitats by 2257

>>174198131
Nice. Makes me curious if they added one if you enlighten your primary race to synths, you can do it that way as well.

Either way, neato. I'll save it for later, haven't seen that event path.

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>wraith bursts out of a pulsar in the middle of my territory
>only have 6k fleet because I was slacking off
On a scale of 1 to 10, how fucked am I?

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>>174194554
>noticing if the empire is attacking me, if I go attack elsewhere he'll immediately turn around to go after me
I think I may have found a weapon in this fight, time to split up my fleet.

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>>174195871
Lick my silk.

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>>174196265
>>174198750
They're listed as droids/synths depending on the tech you have, but as a separate 3 droids/synths from the population of the ones you build.

Find new energy use.
Like in other 4x games.
>add energy cost for insta building buildings or ships
>add planetary edicts that cost energy to maintain but increase production(faster ship building for example)
New food use.
>fuel for energy generators
>organics into minerals refineries
But I think it will need to change planetary buildings.
Like build most effective extract buildings only on tiles with actual mineral/energy deposits and lesser buildings on empty/other tiles.
It does not sound to bad to implement but problem is if AI can use them?
You can also make that hot planets(desert for example) have plenty bonuses for energy, alpine have minerals and tropical have plenty of organics(food).
Any thoughts?

>>174198375
Oh! I've been misunderstanding this entire time.

I didn't catch on to the idea that people were leaving the ascendancy chain unfinished; I'd assumed they were moving over to Biological and doing things there.

My mistake; I'm sorry.

>>174194627
I like it. It's nice to play a 4x that simulates a private sector of the economy, so I don't have to build every gas station and wal-mart myself.

>>174199286
Instabuilding, at cost, would be a fucking godsend in this.

Having to upgrade every building on a new planet FIVE FUCKING TIMES is so incredibly time consuming.

>>174199178
Are you the same person that keeps talking about Kumo in /indie/?

You should branch out to more than two generals.

Should I use Xenophile or Egalitarian for my Pacifist/Materialist all-rounder empire?

>>174198016
But if the planet DOES have blockers then you need to come back and do it again later.
Then again, just tick "Build robots" on the sector control panel, that's one part of sector AI that actually does seem to work.

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>mfw my Agrarian world-building bugs have just had a greater start than I've ever seen in any campaign so far
>mfw they got the Silicon System Event for an easy +20 minerals right out the bat

Should I go for Masters of Genetic Engineering with these guys, or full-on Robo-Bugs that don't even eat the food they make.

>>174199039
Just keep your fleet away from it.
Sure, it'll tear up all your research and mining stations, but it's not like rebuilding those is hard.

>>174199380
The others generals are been pretty resilient. I haven't had a chance to take over yet.

>Fallen empire awakens and hates you, asks for to take signatory status and when told no starts hating you.
>Fallen empire on the other side of the galaxy declares war on you for colonizing tomb worlds.

Send help... I don't think I can fight both at once.

How the hell do I get ringworlds and dyson spheres in time for them to be worthwhile? Every game I'm researching repeatable techs before one even finishes.

>>174200161
>How the hell do I get ringworlds and dyson spheres in time for them to be worthwhile?

You have to rush for Ringworlds and Dyson Spheres with Ascension Perks, but even then the costs are prohibitive.

Personally? They're not worth it. Dyson Spheres are good if you just want to forget about your ship's energy consumption, and Ringworlds are a nice diadem to put on your empire's brow as the capital of the next Fallen Empire.

> Addendum: SupCom units have been shown to have much larger projectile ranges than their in game range, even while still under the effects of compression. Senteth was able to recreate a mod that removed the range from weapons, letting just the physics engine decide how far they could shoot, with hilarious results.T1 shooting across map hilarious. However, we will assume that the in-game ranges are effective maximums (such as a range of optimal accuracy) and that they do not bloat the radius of a nuke.
That indeed would be bloody hilarious.

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>>174199286
So now we can get three(or even four) resources.
>organics, that are used as food, fuel and can be be used to refine into minerals
>minerals or industry, that are used to build ships, stations, armies and buildings, and can be also used as fuel for energy cells or in refineries for turning into organics
>energy aka money, that can be used for insta building, ship/station/army/buildings maintenance, edicts and resettling
>navy limits/manpower/ship industry, that can be increased by building stations and station components and military academies, ship building factories etc on planets(need to add penalty to building ships when over limit as cost increase and time increase)
Wonder about population size.
Overall its not make sense in 4x system.
More population=bigger growth normally so you have usually high population homeworld that is your power house and you use pops from here to resettle to your colonies but in Stellaris its other way. More pops=slower growth. Migrations or resettling would be pretty useful then as pops would move from your crowded worlds to colonies.
Its possible to reverse this but do AI can handle it? I doubt it.
Idea is to make possible good buildings like high efficient mines to use only on tiles with resource.
Other can be build as a generic town building that can generate some resources but small amount(of rach).
Like mine grant +4 minerals(plus bonus yield) and cost one energy upkeep
but Town grant +1 min/energy for free but can be build anywhere.

>>174200161
>How the hell do I get ringworlds and dyson spheres in time for them to be worthwhile?
You can't / aren't supposed to
They're endgame vainity projects, not sensible strategies.
Because Paradox was too lazy to balance or pace them correctly.

how do i bring up my energy credit cap? im stuck at 20k and im wasting like 400 energy per month.

>>174200161
>How the hell do I get ringworlds and dyson spheres in time for them to be worthwhile
mod it

>>174200521
Reaching the cap is a sign that you have been neglecting your navy, not a sign that you should try to stockpile more

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How can xenos even compete?

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How are my science bugs, civ4xg?

What are some fun race and trait builds that aren't babby mode Fanatic Purifier/Xenophobe Authoritarian

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>just discovered that you can change ship modules after first four games

>>174199442
Bump.

>>174200295
>>174200464
This saddens me greatly.

>>174200716
we wuz spase admirals n shieeeet

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>>174200729
They look yummy.

>>174200464
They are to help build tall. If you build wide you won't need them.

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>>174200665
i could probably take on anyone but the FEs right now

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>>174200450
Other thing are planets.
Making all aliens using a Terran equivalent(say Tropical for all) like in MoO.
There would be some bonus traits like Cold resistant or Aquatic that offer increased habitability and growth in other biomes.
That mean to colonize you need traits, robuts or terramorfing.
Planets would get bonuses based on their biome like hostile planets would get increase building and maintenance costs, decreased(or straight impossible using basic buildings) food productions or reduced energy collection.
Also planets would get some special blockers that grant bonuses to adjective tiles. Like mineral rich mountain granting bonus to mineral output.
Any thoughts?

>>174201015
>Only 40k effective fleet power at 2370
>He fell for the battleships meme

Yeah you might be ahead but not for very long

>>174200772
>>174200772
>>174200772

Anyone

>>174201465
Fanatic Spiritualist/Literally Anything

>>174201465
repulsive/migratory/rapid breeder/deviant xenophile pacifists

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Okay.

Please tell me about all the memes NOT to fall for in Stellaris.

Apparently Battleships and Federations are two big memes, from what I gather from this general.

Are they really? Which other ones should I avoid?

How do you design your ships right now by the way, just slap Kinetic and Shields on everything and call it a day, or what?

>>174201465
Fanatic pacifist.

>>174201663
Asking /civ4xg/ what memes not to fall for is a meme you shouldn't fall for.

>>174201663
don't fall for the battleships meme
don't fall for the explosives meme
don't fall for the federations meme
don't fall for the full-synth meme

>>174201757
So Battleships are fine?

Are Federations fine too?

>>174201802
Play the game and find out

>>174201790
What's wrong with full-synths with Full Citizenship and rights?
I've already improved all my population with cybernetic implants a-la-Deus Ex

Am I fucked somehow?

>>174201802
Battleships are trash against 90% of late game threats/fleets

Destroyers, cruisers, and corvettes rape fleets with battleships in them by a huge firepower disparity

>>174201151
>Battleship meme

My 60 battleship armada armed with artillery and LODESASHEILDS just stormed through an entire FE army, that in total had double their power and came though with 3 dead.

Superior strength my fucking arse, and to think I was scared of them, should have known after I rekt a Unbidden invasion before they even go a single anchor down.

Are Large weapons good or should I only be using Small and Medium?

Are Torpedoes any good? How about Hangars?

>>174201930
just wait until you take the final synth ascension perk

>>174201930
tedious clicking to grow pops

>>174201930
They mean just don't go full synth, never go full synth. You can make synths, that's fine, but never become them.

Cyborgs are bretty gud though.

>>174202019
>60 battleship fleet

Yeah you could have built a cheaper fleet that was just as effective in half the time

>>174202064
Large weapons are shit from a range, make sure to use them on ships that will be closer

Energy Torpedoes are great, they completely shred shields

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Please share your ship design wisdom tips, I have the feeling the AI doesn't really know what it's doing with the auto-designs.

Do Shields > Armor always?

How about Kinetic > Everything?

>>174201663
Ignore people saying battleships are a meme, they're not, they're just less cost efficient than their worth in cruisers.

Missiles are a meme because they're completely fucking useless and their most recent change has actually made them even worse despite being a buff in numbers

>>174202159
The problem with swarm fleets is that every bit of damage is reducing the amount of damage you put out. Whereas with Battleships, a lot of damage has to be done to reduce your output.

If that fight had been with 120 Cruisers or 240 destroyers or god forbid 480 corvettes, I would have been losing ships left right and center, but with Battleships I jsut had to send them back to repair and the 3 replacements were ready before they even got there.

>>174202064
Non-energy torpedos are shit because they get shredded by PD, and energy torpedos are somewhat inefficient because they don't reacquire new targets after their initial target has been destroyed, meaning there are a lot of wasted shots. That said, energy torpedos are also really good at taking out certain late-game threats so they're situationally useful. Large Kinetic Artillery is great, and Medium slots have their uses too.

Hangers? I can't honestly tell if they're any good. Strike craft get shredded by enemy PD, but fighters seem pretty good at taking out enemy missiles and bombers are quite damaging. I haven't really decided where I stand on them yet.

>>174202278
Why they are worse than before?
Explain.
I know that they are shit and were shit but why they are even worse now?

>>174202412
Yeah but 240 artillery destroyers would shred your battleships because they can actually dodge quite well while meeting them in range and who cares about replacing some 300 mineral ship?

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>>174202271
this is my jack of all trade corvette

they chew through everything

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This is my situation right now
>Jefiya Mercantile Union (me): Megacorporation
>Nation of Acir'Raka: Democratic Crusaders
>Queptilium Foundation: Evangelized Zealots
>the two AIs really hates me and hate eachother
>both AIs are from Wet world types

Should I try to build a fleet and destroy one when I see an opportunity? I really don't want to see one of them winning and I have to deal with one massive crazy empire

Let's get this out of the way
>plebbit

https://www.reddit.com/r/Stellaris/comments/61nolh/ship_equipment_load_out_for_141_15/

>>174202737
Why do you prefer disruptors and lasers over Kinetic?

And why do you prefer shield regen over increased combat speed with afterburners for example?

>>174202271
Yeah, tips would be good. Currently all I know is not to use missiles.

>>174201012
But if you build tall you can't build megastructures.
They're so resource-intensive they require the income of a wide empire to build.

>>174202737
>Disruptor isn't on the tail mount
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>174202412
You don't make it a swarm fleet

You get a decent amount of crusiers and have a lot of firepower while also having huge numbers

Battleships are useless at close range because they stop using their X slot weps

>>174202737
>Monthly shield regen increase

Won't matter in a fight. Get +5% ship HP or Afterburners.

Is it worth it to give in to the worm and mutate your whole race?

>>174202906
T-the what now?

>>174202882
it's not monthly that shit heal in battle

i prefer it over after burner because the regen is really fucking good

>>174202776
Only good thing I've ever seen out of that sub is this guide, it's very legit

>>174202660
Artillery Destroyers vs Artillery Battleships is going to fall in Battleships favour. The added shield potential negates the dodging advantage and any tracking bonuses on either side purely benefit the Battleships. In the end it would come down to a slugging match and the destroyers attack will drop off quicker.

And it sounds nice to say "Mine are cheaper to replace" but you're going to be replacing more of them, much more.

>>174201663
Don't fall for the trading star charts meme
Don't fall for the tile resources meme (except in early game)
Don't fall for the sector redevelopment meme
Don't fall for the genocide meme (unless you're big enough to lose all your allies forever)

>>174202957
What was, will be

>>174202590
They buffed all missiles speed to be equal to swarm missiles.

See you used to be able to get SOME use out of them by putting a couple of swarms on your ships, the swarms would arrive in PD range first and draw all the fire while being immune to it. Now they all arrive at the same time so a lot of the PD is drawn to missiles they can actually hit

Woo lad Creature of the Void doesn't work anymore and my favorite empire is gone.

Thanks Paradox

>>174203095
>Don't fall for the tile resources meme (except in early game)
Wut? What does this mean?

>>174203095
w-what's wrong with trading star charts?

>>174203095
>Don't fall for the tile resources meme
u wot m8

>>174203346
Can't survey worlds anymore which means you can't get anomalies, with ascension perks it also means you lose a shitload of potential research.

>>174202271
Don't feel bad if you don't understand ship design - it IS incomprehensible because the winner in a fight is mostly determined by which weapons get screwed over less by Paradox's shitty targeting priority programming.

The best weapons are kinetic and plasma, with the exceptions being when you fight the Unbidden and you should use nothing but arc emitter battleships.

The best defence are shields with as many shield capacitors as possible, with the exceptions being battleships (which you should cover in armour until they hit 90% damage reduction) and corvettes (whose best defence is evasion and replacability so you should give them guns, thrusters, and nothing else)

>>174203479
FUCK I HADNT THOUGHT ABOUT THIS
AND I WENT FOR DISCOVERY TOO
FUCK ME

>>174203225
it just means you make the entire planet collect one resource late game

I feel like Stellaris traits are too mundane. Like intelligent is 1/3 as good as assist research. I would think an intelligent race would be better then that. Im thinking of doubling or even tripling most traits so that races are more diverse then just skin color. I mean it honestly doesnt matter who does what at most times.

Is there any reason why i shouldn't spam habitats everywhere?

>>174203597
doubling the traits effect goes a long way to making you give a shit about the races

>>174203856
Do they take core world slots? And doesnt it stunt research to have too many pops?

>>174202850
Maybe if you definition of tall is 3 systems.

>>174203225
>>174203442
You should ignore native tile resources (like "+1 physics", "+2 energy") and instead just carpet entire planets in one kind of building regardless of bonuses.

Because the bonuses you get from synching up single-resource planets with edicts and gene modification exceed the bonuses you get from respecting tile yields.

It is acceptable to disregard this advice in early game because when your technology and resource base is small the logic doesn't apply.

>>174203856
they're ugly

>>174203916
They do take core world slots but you can sector them off eventually
And research, just fill them with research shit and it pays off.

>>174203916
Yes they do and not really as they have a building that gives 3 of each science.

>>174204009
oh, i already do this anyway

>>174204023
You're ugly

>>174204079
Alright thats op
>>174204060
I guess, I would have to have planets with pure food though so...
>>174203856
I guess if you like to play tall is the only reason you shouldnt.

>>174204060
Core world slots aren't a thing any more. It's core systems, meaning that even if you only have 3 systems for an entire game you can fill them all with habitats and have the effect of controlling a dozen core worlds. Habitats are great for getting a lot of resources out of otherwise marginal systems within your empire. A single habitat dedicated to energy production can trivially make upwards of 150 energy.

>>174204279
Just find a planet with the Lush modifier and make it your breadbasket

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r8 and h8 my Romaboo attempt

It's basically impossible to accurately depict the Roman Republic in Stellaris, because the only ways to simulate slavery are with Xenophobe and Authoritaran, neither of which really fit for Rome. I figure that the Republic wasn't really authoritarian in the Stellaris sense given that it had elected officials, a balance of powers, and a constitution, so I picked Xenophobe.

Militarist and Spiritualist are obvious for Rome.

Cutthroat politics is a natural choice, but for the second one I chose Distinguished Admirality over Parliamentary System in order to simulate Rome's military adventurism, high-quality troops,and emphasis on tactics in battle.

Natural engineers because 'muh bridges and aqueducts' but the second one wasn't quite so obvious. I went with Talented mostly because it's just 1 point, and none of the negative traits really fit except Decadent (which would gimp me in the crucial early game).

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>>174204465
>Core world slots aren't a thing any more. It's core systems
FUCK, I did NOT realise this

>>174204465
Holy shit thats amazing. If only there wasnt the resource problems that come from playing tall I would totally do that. But I want all the strategic resources so unless there was like events to get me the weapon damage ones I would totally just stay in my little area the whole game. While nuking the shit out of every other species. Now if only there was a system that made empire spawn...

It's pretty early in the game (2283) and Jump Drive technology showed up.

Will an endgame crisis happen if i go for it, or do i have some time yet?

>>174204530
Pretty decent.

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>>174199089
well that worked, enough guerilla warfare and enough time passed they just wanted peace.

Habitats need to be only made over gas giants.

>tfw can't abandon worlds to move my entire population onto ringworlds
>can't turn systems with habitable planets into ringworlds.
Paradox, why?

>>174204724
go for it lad, you're safe for another ~70 years

I see that Robots get a penalty to Unity production.

Is the same true for Droids?

>>174204724
All fallen empires use it, its only a problem if you share tech with protectorates, vassals, or federations. If only you are added into it its not a big deal.

>>174204724
>Will an endgame crisis happen if i go for it, or do i have some time yet?
It's probabalistic.
You might tear the universe a new asshole your first jump, you might have 100 years use out of it before it fucks up.

>>174204808
Emptying a planet of pops automatically abandons it
>>174204842
Yes

>>174204842
Yes but not synths so just rush it.

>>174204842
Yes, but the penalty is smaller

>>174204696
Once you get a single habitat online it can have the effect of snowballing. Dedicate the first one to minerals to better fund the next one, the next one to energy to keep all your habitats afloat, the following one to research to offset the research penalty you get from having a large population, etc.

Habitats are a lot better for research and energy than most planets are, but planets are better for food and minerals, so you can further specialize that way and just have all your planets churn out food and minerals and your habitats churn out research and energy - although planets can have effects that boost energy/research production that habitats don't get.

Habitats honestly render ringworlds and dyson spheres completely pointless.

How do I get the nova edition spiders to work?
There an INI I gotta change somewhere?

>Accidentally terraform a planet I have already colonized into one that has 20% habitability

>all of my pops hate life now

Is there any way to un-colonize a planet?

>>174205005
The only point to ringworlds and dyson spheres are because theyre cool.

>>174205095
Move everyone off it.

>>174205095
console it back, if in ironman hang yourself

Is "Megastructures" by TTFTCUTS a good mod? Anybody tried it yet?

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>>174205245
I guess I'll wait to research terraforming then

why the fuck are the Prethoryn an oligarchy now ?
is this random or predetermined

I dont want them to spawn with a border range or fire rate modifier next

>>174205095
>terraform a planet I have already colonized
how

>>174205402
Probably the terraforming equipment event.

>>174205402
Unless it was changed in 1.5 you can terraform colonized planets but everyone gets pissy.

>>174205402
Through a random anomaly, it ended up turning my desert planet into a tundra world and now all my pops want to kill themselves just like I do

>>174205402
The "ancient terraforming equipment" event, probably. So far, I've seen it do nothing, turn it into a Gaia planet, kill everyone and render the planet uninhabitable, and add a negative modifier.

>>174205483
Can't do that anymore, I don't think.

Quick, what's the best secondary ethos if I want to play autistic tall f.materialists? Pacifist?

>>174205456
>>174205492
>>174205523
Do you get this randomly from colonized planets, or is it just like if you leave it sitting in your event log and do it after colonizing the planet?
>>174205483
Can't terraform colonized planets, I wish you could though because I'd have nothing but Gaia worlds

>>174205824
Egalitarian

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>>174205374

Forgot pic

>>174205928
I think I just got it randomly from colonized planets

>>174206295
I think they bugged.
What mods are you using?
In my game they bugged also and do not infest planets.
if they are normal empire now they lack troops and that is why they do not take planets anymore.

>>174205928
It just turns up randomly on a colonized planet.

>>174206514
I have never seen the Prethoryan function correctly in 13 games.
Granted, only 2 of those games actually gave me them as a crisis, but both of those times they failed miserably.

>>174206754
Paradox coding at its finest.

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>>174206295
>Paradox broke the Prethoryn Scourge
>nobody reported or even noticed it because those fuckers never spawn

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>>174206754
Well. That would be paradox quality.
I bet my breakfast that this dicks didn't even check this.

Somebody with buyfag access let them know about it.
pics related:
whole fleet of prethoryn bombing planet, they have other stack in near system plus constructors and colonizers

What role should destroyers play in a typical fleet?

>>174207286
Corvette killers.

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>>174206514
>they lack troops
Found your missing troops

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>>174206295
they are totalitarian regime for me
>>174207183
I will add some smug anime girl too but pic related
And they expect 20 bucks for this.
I could pay 20 backs to kickstarter so some somali refugees rape them
>>174207286
Point defense(flak or PD), corvette hunter(small auto cannons and/or flak) or artillery(kinetic artillery and flak)

>>174204995
>>174204997
Thanks, guys.

I'm building a species with the Mechanist civic, with the roleplaying reason being that they developed on a world already seeded with infrastructure and ancient, decaying 'caretakers.'

I was wondering if I should invest in Agrarian Idyll, so that the bonus increases as the Caretakers regain their former glory, or if I should go with a more science-oriented civic like Technocracy.

What do you think?

>>174193798
>Resilient 23 year old.

Whelp, better get used to them. That's going to be the boss for a LONG time.

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>>174207498
That is ridiculous.
Did swarm have troops before?
Did they not infect planets or something?

>>174205975
Why?

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Whoever has the biggest font size is the strongest

i think im going to attack the FE to the north just to take some of there tech, my economy needs to unfuck itself before i make doomstacks necessary to take on a AA.

also fuck slave economies, i imagine i wouldn have unrest issues if i had stuck to my hiigaran game and just relied on droid miners.

Can Fanatic Xenophobe empires do genetic or synthetic ascendancy? I think I remember hearing pre-release that the original species ends up hating the newly modified species as filthy xenos instead of accepting them as ubermensch to look up to. And that the same thing happens with synthetics too.

>>174207716
Just go pacifist. If you are playing tall you probably wont be fighting much anyways and those extra systems will help the most.

>>174207946
Genetic. Its just better.

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>its a "science officer levels up to 2 stars and gets arrested development" episode

>>174208021
>giving up all that psi tech

>>174208021
Well I know that, I'm asking if you can do it without the original race getting all pissed if you modify sub-groups of your own people tailored to different worlds and such.

>>174206295
>>174206514


I'm using a shit ton of mods but trader enclaves also have ethos and now

My worms do have ground armies but i haven't seen them land

they are sending colony ship all over the place thoug

>>174205367
You can't terraform a planet that's already colonized.

>>174208158
It's better to just terraform anyways.

>>174208158
They dont, youre the same race, unless they changed that since I last played. I meant I just played a xenophobe, altered some dna but 3 pops still had it and everything was fine.
>>174208127
Personally I dont like the psi route and he wanted to go robot mode instead and honestly robot mode sucks. I also modded my game so traits are worth more but even in base game robots are inferior to genetic things.

Do you guys ever get the urge to reload a save from like a 100 years ago when you were still in the early game, to take what you learned all the way in the late game and just have a do-over with everything?

Or am I just autistic?

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>>174207661
Mine colonized and took over planets for awhile then they just seemed to bug out and kept moving transport ships around. Got the warning prompt just before I won the game so I figured I'd stick around and see what happened since I haven't played since launch
Also noticed they spawned with the same ethics I had, though they spawned close to my homeworld

>>174208792
Do they have pops on planet and build normal structures or something?

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Do habitats count against your core planets cap? I can finally take voidborn but I'm not too sure on it. Or I could take mind over matter while the +1 ascendancy perk research is going on, then grab transendence after that.

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im never going to get anything ever again

after my last war all of my shit is expensive,


FUCK

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>>174208890
>didn't think I still had the save
They just infest planets and you have to bombard it to remove them I think?
My fleet of about 30k was fighting a few 3k fleets, once I destroyed one a few 60k fleets spawned directly on top of it(was in the middle of the system) and just decimated my fleet.
Also I when I was still playing I went out and just left it running on fastest to see if they'd actually conquer anything by the time I got back and they hadn't.

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>>174209475
Something is fucked.
Anyway thanks for sharing.

>>174209408
>al those planets
>only 213+
This is why you go spiritualist if you want to blob.

>>174208158
I think modded pops being considered a different species was fixed in 1.4.

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>>174209590
No worries, last one since I left it playing while taking these screenshots.
>they're fighting each other now

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>>174209894
wait, what

Are sectors just still a meme?

>>174210113
whole game is a meme

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>>174207980
They'd get along with my Reiklings.

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alright time to take these nerds' stuff

>>174193675
He starts destroying your stuff if you fail to win the fight and goes back.

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>>174210113
Yep.
Anyway what you guys thinking about making basic buildins/zones free of charge?
Like
>designated mining zone that is upgradable to proper mines but cost nothing in time and minerals but add like +0,5 minerals
>same goes for all buildings even for unity and other stuff(for example energy grid designated zone with colony shelter)
So you can just slap all designated zones when you want and hand it to sector.
Any thoughts?

>>174210213
Whoa, this image is out of date.

>>174209319
>core planets cap
Isn't core system? As long as it's in a system where you have a planet then the system count doesn't go up.

>>174209319
Core Planets seems to be Core Systems now, it's lower but everything in a single system only counts as one unit.

>>174210703
Very rarely relevant sadly.

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>>174210312
You can put a habitat at each section.

Is federation worth or is just
EVEN
ANOTHER
FUCKING
MEME
?

So.... I was under the impression wormholes allowed you to travel between two wormholes instead of having to hop between planets... apparently I was wrong. What a shitty tech...

>>174211034
If you are pacifist and in a comfortable position there is no reason not to join or make one at least.

>>174211210
if lets say one ai engulfed another, and i an still early game?

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>Liberate some folks from a mean dictator
>They don't automatically bow down to suck my dick and become my vassals

???????????????????
God dammit I'm going to have to revoke guarantees and war these poor folks just to get them vassalized under my blob won't I

>>174210375
>not just giving everyoe 20 free core systems

>>174210978
Habitats/ringworlds
>>174211446
>not making it a house rule and consoling it over
Its a borders game, just make it look nice. Or force them to cede planets and then vassalize them.

>>174211417
Joining them in the early game is generally a bad idea. If there is an AI you are scared of though you should try making defense pacts.

>>174211590
>Joining them in the early game is generally a bad idea
Explain

i wish i could make my race immortal via bio SHIIIIT
i hate paradox, saddens me that synth and bio path will remain "gamey", without flavor for a while, fuck it

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That went surprisingly well, even with just shitty kinetic batteries firing point blank at FE escorts

>>174211012
neat, ill have to keep that in mind.

>>174211639
Cant expand with frontier outposts you can turn into planets later. Thats 2 outposts, or like 1/10 of a spiral arm.

>>174211582
>consoling it over
What do you mean

its best to make two ships one kinetic and other laser, or make one ship, half guns laser and half kinetic?

>>174211651
Bio path is good if you have a diverse empire, it means you can specialize the hell out of yourself and get the most out of everything.

>>174211761
Offer it, console yourself into whoever it is, then put in yes as the answer. Or yesmen it. Better to yesmen, offer, wait a say, console over, accept, console back, turn off yesmen.

>>174211639
http://www.stellariswiki.com/Federations

>>174211863
exactly, but is gamey, its not lore, i mean, look at psionic, its good but its has so much flavor as well, they always deliver the features half done, just to make it good in a paid dlc.

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>>174211676
oh god yes P:

>>174212051
>going full Greater Good and modifying each species to be an extremely specialized part of a larger whole is 'gamey' and 'not lore'
If you say so mate, I agree that some more genetic modification flavor would be nice but I don't think it's bad as it is right now, either

In early game ship design, should I be prioritizing Energy Siphons if I got them as a lucky tech, or should I be putting Kinetic weapons?

If Kinetic, should I be prioritizing the longer range ones that do +33% Shield damge, or the short range ones with higher damage?

I was going against an enemy that spammed missiles, so I had the idea of going Destroyers with PD and also Energy Siphons to beat their Shields, and have my Corvettes clean up with short range high damage kinetic.

Or is it more practical to go with Destroyers with PD and medium range Kinetic, with Corvettes with medium range Kinetic as well?

>>174212238
i dont mean you cant roleplay i just say, look at psionics, they got events, they god interaction with the shroud, why cant we have this as well? i mean, some race goes out of control, or the fact that we changed so much our dna that he is corrupted and the whole race suffer from a sickness which will kill them all if not find the cure(aka eve online) things like this

>>174211872
My god dude. You're awesome, thank you. It was driving my autism nuts, but that yesmen toggling did the trick. Made no sense to me that a little small empire that I had liberated and had long been since been buried near the core of my blob had never wanted to vassalize.

>>174212427
Yeah I agree that would be pretty cool, but it's a stretch to then say that the lack of that sort of flavor means Genetic Ascension is "half done". There are plenty of features in Stellaris which feel half-done, but genetics isn't really one of them imo.

desu the problem with this game is that there are too many features and not many of them are well thought-out. The base game shipped with primitive civs, genetic modification, terraforming, and all sorts of other nice features, but it lacked basic shit like perk trees, trade and espionage. Also combat was broken (and still sort of is) and diplomacy is shallow. Before they spend dev time improving the secondary features, they need to improve the primary ones.

>>174192549
what the heck is a cascadian world?

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how's my sex slave race?

>>174213402
Northwest Front in space

>>174212827
its mostly because its the paradox way of working, every game of them is like this, remerber crusader kings on launch? jesus, cant even compare, i hope that with time they fix the things that need fixing.this game has a huge potencial for being the gran space rpg.

>>174213586
Paradox can't even keep track of which fallen empire is supposed to hate synths they ain't fixing this

>>174213673
i believe(hope), they will make this game great, i played soon after launch, came back some weeks ago, and it has so much more content.who can say in 2 years or less how will this game be?
I hope to see great blobs crumbling due to internal factors.

>>174202737
>Not using torpedo corvettes

Is there a way to 'terraform' planets into tomb worlds? Or does that only happen when atomic age planets nuke themselves?

>>174213861
It'll be riddled with bugs, many of them from launch and have known solutions that Paradox won't be bothered to implement

>>174213505
>sex slave
>nerves not stapled

>>174213959
fun fact
paradox says will implement feature of massa destruction
Also for now only with mod, there is one, forgo the name will search
>>174213997
dont be so pessimistic, look at CK2, still being improved, with each update gets better, why cant we hope it for stellaris? Specially because stellaris is gaining so much content so quickly.

>>174213505
thats a modded trait isn't it?

>>174214185
Crusader Kings where they put in a utterly unusable alchemy ingredient in as a feature and made Satanist Magic snap balance over its knee?

>>174211446
t. America towards Cuba.

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>>174213959
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?l=portuguese&id=720237457

Here anon

>>174211582
>Habitats/ringworlds
Very rarely relevant sadly.

>>174201663
I joined a federation and nobody fucking helped me when unbidden spawned to fuck me over. so no they aren't worth it

>>174214185
now that you can build habitats and ring world weapon of mass destruction seems viable desu

>>174214286
no it's in the vanilla game if you get the evolutionary mastery ascension perk path

What makes two species be the same, if for example I make 2 custom empires and use the exact same options for species portrait, name and traits, will the two empires have the same species or not?

So let me get this straight

If going for the Discovery trait, I should never ever ever trade star charts? What about sensor links?

>>174214565
so they added new traits specifically for the bio ascension? neato

>>174214750
You shouldn't ever trade for star charts anyway, it cheats you out of anamolies

>>174214652
IIRC you don't need to have the same traits, just the same portrait and name

so, in stelaris, what is a pretty good layout and shit for my military ships?
because I fucking suck outnumber pretty much every other race by at least 10K more than them in fleet power I end up losing half my fleet in every majot battle

>>174214185
>>174214370
Well, time to burn everything in the galaxy.

>>174214765
Yup, there are some really neat traits. You can even turn your slaves into mindless workers now so they dont care about happiness.

>>174215043
play fanatic purifier, this way the implications of burning a planet will mean nothing desu~

so two habitats with labs give more research than the science nexus(66+ vs 50) while being cheaper and faster...they didnt really think this through

>>174215330
>Paradox
>thinking anything through
Only thing that matters to them is chugging out DLC after DLC

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im in quite pickle
>2 awakened empires, 1 on either side of my empire
>unbidden are slowly encroaching to me

i got a ascension perk, and i am thinking about 200 fleet capacity one, the awakened empire +damage or savior of galaxy vs unbidden. Which one is the best? I will have to fight a awakened empire at some point, one of them is my overlord and second one is xenophobe one, which will probably go to a war with me soon

>>174200915
we wuz shitty /pol/ memes n shit

>>174215816
Fleet One is only useful if you have enough resources to maintain that fleet, even without the over the fleet cap penalty.

>>174215816
Depends, what is your current fleet capacity?

>>174215031
anyone?
pls, im new and retarded at this game
hell, even just a pic to show me the type of shit/varriety I should be putting in each ship type

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What are some good mods for cosmetic shit (races and buildings and maybe ships)?

>>174216123
>that libcuck that always gets mad at memes

>>174216318
see
>>174202776

Do the Unbidden only appear once per game?

I just wiped them out before they even got an anchor up and the only thing I got from researching their debris was the Extradimensional Weaponry tech

Anyone know a mod that stops the psionic paths from being restricted to just spiritualists?

Kinda sucks you HAVE to be spiritual to learn mind powers, I can understand materialists not being allowed into the magic club but for everyone else to be barred doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

Societies who aren't dedicated fedoras are going to be open to psychic powers.

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>>174216362
>No dangerous fauna effect

Not Catachan.

>>174216658
Can't you research psionics tech if you have a maniacal scientist in charge of society tech?

Is Civ 6 worth shelling out 25 quid compared to 5 and the space game?

>>174192549
>scientist takes the initiative and uplifts a brand new protectorate for the empire
>no option to reward the scientist
Sweden should be nuked, the population is inherently diseased

>>174216571
A crisis can only appear once a game.
Although, does anyone know if you get Unbidden, can you still get robot uprising or the swarm?

>>174216453
Thanks

>>174216790
The description of spiritualist seems to suggest the psionic techs are restricted to just them, and I consoled one of my scientists to be a psionic expert and ran through a couple of hundred years worth of techs and never got the one needed to unlock the psychic ascendacy options.

>>174195027
you can though
how else will you get resources, those very, very needed resources

>>174216831
nah, just wait for it to go on sale

>>174212265
Energy Siphons aren't very good. Kinetic weapons are decent all around and shields are very thin at the start of the game so you should worry more about doing hull damage. Coilguns, tier 2 kinetics are easy to get and they're better for killing shields and hull than energy siphon.

Evasion: chance to avoid getting hit
Tracking: lessens the effect of evasion
Accuracy: how accurate the weapon is

Small weapons have high tracking.
Large weapons have low tracking.

Corvettes have high evasion, they're hard to hit with large weapons, and spinally mounted weapons like megacannons and lances will miss nearly every time.

Destroyers have high tracking, they're good for point defense and to counter corvettes. Mounting a large weapon on a destroyer is not a good idea because your enemies are probably going to use mostly corvettes, use small/medium weapon destroyers. Point defense is a hard counter to missiles.

I would go for 1 small gun corvette : 1 torpedo corvette : 1 small/medium weapon + PD destroyer mix in early game.

Later in the game you get flak artillery, plasma cannons which are superior to point defense and kinetics.

Please replace science array with really big shipyard.

Than you.

>>174216990
>Mounting a large weapon on a destroyer is not a good idea
how can one man be so wrong?

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Ring galaxies, yay or nay?

>>174217101
>yay
it's 'yea' you utter wasteman

>>174217075
Try reading the whole sentence next time.

> is not a good idea because your enemies are probably going to use mostly corvettes

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>Start as fanatical purifiers
>Agenda: Alien Outreach

>>174217101
Rings are fun

Spiritualist faction says I need a spiritualist government, how the fuck do I do that I see no option?

>>174192856

How'd you lose to him with 40k??

Really man, I watched a friend take it on with a 22k fleet and only lose 4k-5k power before bringing it down. Although then the fleet's admiral became an alcoholic, but that's a different story.

Are you on some higher difficulty setting?

>be scientist
>research most of the precursor anomalies
>unusual amount of other scientist explorers are killed by space monsters or pirates
>stuck at 5 anomalies for decades
>scientist getting along in his years, a little over 95
>keep prolonging leader lives with traditions and tech
>finally 6th anomaly shows up
>after all the years of research, the scientist can finally set his eyes up the ancient homeworld of the precursor
>warping into the system, his ship is turned back because the planet lies within the territory of a fallen empire
>shows up a couple months later back home
>dies of old age
Here lies Stalk of Indigo. He never scored.

>>174217648
;_;7

F

I swear to fucking god this game hates me
>decide to be a robot start, builder nice guy
>xenophobes and Spiritualists everywhere and a a Keepers of knowledge fallen empire right next to me
>no one wants to be freinds with me
>Decide to do a Space hitler run
>everyone is nice guys who get along and I end up fighting like 5 empires at once every war because of it
>decide to play multiplayer with my brother
>Xenophobe fallen empire declares war on me after I do what they wanted to when I got too close on first contact

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>the noises the starfish make

Is Stellaris any good without expansions/mods? I played the base game a long time ago and am thinking about coming back to it.

>>174214750
Sensor links are even worse than star charts. Their only saving grace is that the AI rarely offers them.

>>174218447
>Is Stellaris any good without expansions/mods?
Not really, just get the DLC from RezMar. I wouldn't say it's like EU4 where the DLC is nigh-mandatory, but I wouldn't waste my time without it.

>>174216864
The answer is no. One criris per game, Unbidden OR Prethoryn OR Machine Consciousness

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It seems I was a bit premature in declaring war

What's the best order of traditions for Intelligent/Mining guilds Fanatic Spiritualists?

>>174218704
gg scrub

>>174218721
Open prosperity -> Discovery up to PSC -> Standard Construction Templates -> finish Discovery

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TONIGHT'S THE NIGHT

>>174219301
wut
how

>>174219632

Space Miner ruler trait + rushing unity to get that prosperity tradition

>>174217101

Abso fucking lutely NAY, rings a shit

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>robot "banter"

>>174202761

If they hate you to death and there is no space for diplomacy, definitely build up a fleet and wait for them to start fighting. Keep track of their Fleet power in the menu, and once either of them hits Inferior or Pathetic, go right at them, finish off their fleet and conquer their planets. If the other is also crippled, do the same to them.

Just hope that they are both powerful enough to cripple each other's fleets for you to take over. Because otherwise, one of them will just steamroll over the other and then turn on you.

Either way, time to spam cruisers.