Wargames General /wgg/

first for wg > sd

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Is there anything more cancerous than Wehraboos?

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>>174178210
second for you have a shit opinion

Redpill me on Steel Division

>>174178535
Its shit

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You have been visited by the Easter Bun of eggs and Divine Redemption. Hersheys Chocolate and Eternal Love will come to you, but only if you type 'THANK YOU BASED JESUS' in this thead.

>>174178768
Fuck off with this shit nigger

>>174178535

Its like Wargame but worse in every way out side of maybe 1 or 2 cool features.

People are playing it for no other reason but because its new.

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>>174178943
>Its like Wargame but better in every way
ftfy senpai

>>174178252
Literally no

>>174178798
no

>>174178943
>>174179078
>Its like literal shit but with a different color in some spots
fixed, no need to thank me

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>>174178535
Roughly Battalion level RTS set in 1944 Western front WW2.
Slightly more 'wargamey' than Red Dragon if you're familiar with that title.
Iterates upon the Wargame series with a bunch of mechanical improvements and quality of life changes.
Less unit diversity within a faction, more diversity between factions.
Morale and suppression play a huge role.
No base-building, but the battle still escalates as time progresses by way of a 'phase' system.

>>174179220
>Battalion level
HAHahahHahHAaha

Take a look at how many units you have on the battlefield. This shit is platoon level, company level at most

>>174179356
Nigguh over the course of a game you deploy several companies of units.
Sounds pretty battalion level to me.

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>>174179356
It's time to stop posting anon, you clearly have no idea how big each level of the orbat is

I know I will regret buying Steel Division

>>174180202
Just refund it then?

I'm enjoying it, it's literally a no risk purchase.

>>174180202

You're not buying it, you're pre-ordering it, you can play the beta as much as you want and then get a refund since it only counts as a pre-order all the way up until May 23rd when the game releases.

>>174179504

Not him but how big are the actual size categories?

A platoon is like 50 men so 4 infantry squads + command squad, right? A company is 2-3 platoons? Then it's 2-3 companies per regiment, right? So basically you have a German infantry company in the warehouse sector of the map in >>174179220

I'm terrible at visualising the scales of these things, infantry companies are one size, tank formations are another, support unit formations are yet another.

>>174179504
the level refers to the basic unit sizes you are shifting around

>>174180465
>>174180357
That's actually pretty cool, I'll get it then

>only MUH META /vg/ hates SD
really makes me think

>>174180837
2-3 Companies per Battalion, 2-3 Battalions per Regiment.

Something like 2000 men.

>>174180984
In which case all games where you can control individual units are section level?
That doesn't sound right.

Looking at the number of units on the field, I'll stick with my assertion that SD depicts a Battalion level engagement at least in a 4v4.
An individual player, especially when playing an infantry heavy deck, can easily be commanding several companies of men.

Infantry should be able to shoot out the gunner on open top vehicles.

>>174178535
It's meh right now due to a wonky balance
The concepts they have for front lines and more suppression are pretty good and make up for some of the nonsense that turned most RD matches into WW1 style front lines

>>174181620
Agreed.

>>174181620
play men of war if you want that unrealistic shit.

SD is turning into Combat Mission tier of realism

>want to build a modern battlecruiser or battleship because they're cool and every other nation is doing it
>don't want to destroy my budget
What do?

>>174181725
>>174181764
But it should only happen if they actually have the angle for it. As in they need to be in a two story house with the vehicle close enough.

>>174181620
You're aware of the hidden <20m grenades infantry gets, right? Those can kill OT vehicles.

But i agree that infantry should be able to inflict gunner KO statuses to halftracks.

>>174181764
this is bait, don't reply

>>174180837
The 15th Infanty Division can deploy roughly a historically correct Battalion with lots of divisional assets attached.

They can also field a Churchill Tank Company nearly at full strength (18 Tanks)

so who in this thread can explain to me why the infantry in the 3rd armored division don't have BAR's?

>>174183327
Nobody

>>174183327

BAR's were a WWI weapon that was phased out of service by WWII's time.

>>174183327
Because modeling them is redundant when the section 30cals exist.

2ndID's rifles, who don't get bazookas for their standard squad members, may get them.

>>174183327
Armoured riflemen didn't get BARs around this time, many units had to wait till March 1945 to get them.
They weren't priority.

If the 2nd ID doesn't get them, then we can riot.

>>174183327

Because they were very rare in the 3rd Armored IRL as well.

You'll probably see much more BARs in the infantry divisions

>>174183327
Armoured riflemen didn't receive BARs until late 44.

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Why did they do Normandy?
It's the most over focused on theater of WW2 by far and not all that interesting

>not North Africa
>not the '39 and '40 campaigns
>not east front with all the various minor Axis nations participating

>>174184319

Safest setting guaranteed to bring in the $$$ from the new Paradrone audience.

>>174184319
because pandering to the lowest common denominator pays
this is also why they picked ww2 and why they simplified the game so much

>>174184319
Divisional equipment diversity and the widest range of equipment, that's why.
Especially among the the German divisions.

Sicily/North Africa is a close 2nd, which will likely be the next DLC/installment.

>>174178048
>push through and secure the south end of a village
>enemy infantry defending in depth
>cant advance as enemy HT's insta suppress me
>out comes two arty jeeps
>no more enemy infantry
>still cant advance due to shitty halftracks
>end up just about holding the village when enemy jumbos come in and then the rocket spam begins
>stuck in a slightly more favourable stalemate; eney cant advance or ill just bombard them with bombers, and I cant advance as the enemy's HT's insta panic them and any armor I send up get sniped by armor


how the fuck do I advance as luftlande? after the initial push I can only just about eeke out a territorial advantage and I have no chance of pushing when the armor comes out.

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>>174184319
>not battle of the bulge
>not late war crossing the rhine action

Eugen probably hates the M36 tank destroyer

>>174184539
>SD
>more simple than WG or RUSE
i guess every general needs a resident shitposter

>>174184668
>luftlande
>advance
you don't, you grab what you can in phase A and pray to god you can hold onto it

>>174184319

The real answer is because Eugen wanted to have France in the game and Normandy is within driving distance of the office so the artists could actually go and get some references.

Have people actually tried breaking the lane mentality of Wargame? SD actually forces specialisations on to you rather than allow the jack-of-all-trades national decks of Wargame, I assume at least part of the reason was to get people to stop playing 4v4s as 4 1v1s where teammates just stick to their region and don't even glance at what's going on with the other side of the map. I'm becoming more and more convinced that divisions like the Luftlande aren't meant to operate by themselves but are meant to supplement other divisions.

>>174184828
in all seriousness the time it takes for a HT to panic infantry is far too fucking quick. Sure I can spam airstrikes on em but i'ed rather save em for infantry.

>>174185138
pretty much this, once I realise that any further pushes are useless I spam bombers along the front where enemies are pushing or just dig in.

>>174184828
Say that to the 3 jumbos, command m4, and m4a3 I lost in a frontal engagement with 3 stugs and a few marders. Fucking pissed me off so much. Fuck me for thinking 11ap was good enough against 10 armor

>>174185138
I hate somebody get upset when I circled behind his "lane" to cut off his enemies. He was typing in caps that it is his front. Then he started telling the enemy where my units were hiding

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>I've done nothing else but playing Hearts of Iron IV since Wednesday.

Why is this game so good?

>>174185295

That's it, you dig in early game and then help your teammates with your fleet of aicraft and your spicy off-map artillery, popping AT guns like zits to assist your teammate's armored push will have a much bigger impact on the map than an incremental infantry advance.

>>174185330
how the fuck did you lose a frontal engagement against 3 stugs and a few marders? none have the AP to pierce a jumbo frontally. The only way you got pierced was if a luftlander brings out AT guns, and even then you'ed have had to walked into them to die

>>174185138
But my Scots love sitting in villages and tree lines....

>>174185546

>>>/gsg/

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>>174185546
>HOIIV
>good
Now if you said DH you might actually have an argument
Also not a wargame

>>174185683
it's the only thing the scots are good for desu famalam

>>174185375
I did the same earlier on today. I occupied some buildings on my flank and my team mate went absolutely fucking mental saying I occupied buildings he needed...

>>174185546
not /wgg/

also

>tfw holy fuck it's fucking 4am and I only barely started invading these fuckers

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>>174185546
>draw arrow
>win

>>174185330
how the fuck do you lose to stugs and marders? marders are literally protected by paper, stugs are protected by cardboard.

>>174184710
ATGM was removed, helos were removed, SEAD was removed, recon's role was simplified, flanking was minimized, deckbuilding was basically removed, and more. Being uglier doesn't make it more complex.

>>174185375
>>174185793

why even play anything other than 1v1 at that point.

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>be scottish infantry division
>have better tanks than the two armored divisions in the game

really activates my almonds

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>>174185330
>3 jumbos, command m4, and m4a3 I lost in a frontal engagement with 3 stugs and a few marders
How did you even do that

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>>174185954

>flanking was minimised

>>174186076
probably tried to ram them

jumbos literally cannot be penned by a lutelande division unless
>a) an 88mm gets them
>B) they get bombed

you would have had to have literally driven into the enemy AT in order to die

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>>174185662
>1 new post
I wouldn't believe me if I just said it, so here's a ss of the general event.

>gather a force to push the flank after losing control of the town.
>infantry get BTFO by machine guns in the treeline despite massive HT and tank support
>HTs get btfo by artillery jeep

The treeline in question is the one by the 3-vet stug

>he can't push out though as everything that passes the trees gets blasted
>scouts notice a massive group of enemy armor coming in the distance
>it's luftlande, I don't give a shit, bring it the fuck on
>stugs come around the edge of the map, start trading shots with the 2 jumbos
>no one dies. they bounce, crit, and otherwise do no damage to my tanks. my tanks do nothing to them
>HE FUCKING CHARGES
>10 armor stugs rolling down on my tanks that should be eating them for breakfast, and none of them are fucking dying.
>He literally rolls up close enough that he has the AP to kill a jumbo. One of my jumbos dies, the rest panic
>My entire push is fucked, and I run out of time

Just to be clear, this was not a short engagement. I brought in and emptied a supply truck because my tanks ran out of ammo bouncing off that 10 armor.

I was trying a deck without any 76mm guns specifically for fighting the luftlande. after that match I got rid of the card of M4A3 75s and put my E8s back in.

>>174185954
>ATGM replaced by towed AT guns
>helicopters out of time frame
>recon helis replaced by recon planes
>SEAD out of time frame, was out of scale in WG anyway
>recon the exact fucking same
>deckbuilding restricted to realistic OOB, phase based choices introduced.

>morale system re-introduced to the game and iterated upon after it was more or less removed in RD
>frontline system 100x better than capture zones
>factions actually play differently, actual diversity over WG's each coalition being largely a reskin of each other
>removal of bullshit logistical shuffling that was completely out of scale


8/10 made me reply

>>174186604

Aaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh why is it so fucking UGLY god DAMN.

Shit looks like a 2007 game REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>174186907
I bricked my 970 and I'm using a 660 right now. Sue me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BT-jzb1tUw
Phase A Crocodile.avi

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People complaining about the game being "ugly"
Didn't expect this desu

>>174187096
>>174187142

not the card, the game is just fucking horrible looking.

Its the same engine as WG right? Why does WG look 100times better? Sounds and Effects as well.

>muh graffix over gameplay

wow, you'd fit right in on the Steam forums.
>>174187214
Turn unit scaling off or down to small. Many sounds are currently broken, they worked fine in the closed beta.

>>174187276

>muh graffix over gameplay

But the graphics and gameplay are both worse than Wargame though.

Game looks and plays like an early 2000's cheapo WW2 RTS.

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>>174187142

I don't get it either, maps look much better than the copy-paste towns and industrial zones of Wargame. Colour is nice too, glad they didn't jump on the Saving Private Ryan washed out colour meme that every WW2 game seems to go for.

It may not be graphically advanced but it has that god-tier RUSE aesthetic

>>174187395
It runs like shit too, very strange. Liking the game but the look is bizarre I agree.

>>174187487
It doesnt have the RUSE look, what are you talking about? RUSE looks 10x better than this shit

>Wargame EE looks better than SD

What did Eugen mean by this?

Do bailed out crews ever get back in their vehicles?

>>174187638
eeeeh, EE looks like table top wargame, SD looks like reality, save for the shitty grass.


>>174187764
No, imo they should once the vehicle 'calms down'.

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>>174187638

eeeh

>>174186161
The maps are too small and so pushing up to attack an enemy from the side is harder and riskier. It basically requires a teamgame and an incompetent opponent that you can push in. Obviously you can still ambush an enemy from two sides if he's being too aggressive, but the offensive flank is harder than in WRD.

Further, cheeki insertions have been completely removed. Which is nice if you want a neat simple frontline. removing CV sniping was even good for gameplay, although I wish sniping reinforcements was a thing. But it makes the game simpler.

You only have a meme image so I doubt you've thought about it at all, but it gave me a soapbox so w/e

>>174186789
Half your defenses are that something is out of time frame, which is true but it's not a defense - game is still simpler for it.
Recon had a big role, stealth was its own threat type that required specific counters, in SD the diverse recon tab has been simplified into recon infantry and sometimes a recon jeep, and its role is to just spot. In big part because flanking and breakthroughs have also been severely restricted, but also because invisifire and atgms were removed.
There aren't "phase based choices". The phase system is a great way to make specialized decks work. But it doesn't provide choices. Choices are when I'm wondering if I want to open with a superheavy, two mediums, three mediums, two mediums and some lights or maybe one medium and a light. The phase system means that at any time in the game you have one type of tank available, because the others have either been already exhausted or are not yet available.
The deckbuilding is super realistic, just like a division commander had no control over what units he was assigned, so too do the decks build themselves.
WG factions only play the same if you don't know how to play WG.
I agree that the frontline system is great and wish we had a cold war game with it.

>>174187821

>SD looks like reality

wrong.

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>>174187586
>RUSE looks 10x better than this shit
Now I love RUSE just as much as the next person, but this post is bullshit.

>>174188120
>WG factions only play the same if you don't know how to play WG.
Most of this post was reasonable but this is pretty untrue, there was such an aggressive attitude by the community towards each faction being capable of the same things in WG that the factions did turn out quite similar in RD. Main differences where focused on which sort of bullshit units you could bring to the party.

>>174182218
EVERY PLATOON IN THE 15TH HAD A 2" MORTAR

WHERE ARE MY CHEAP SPAMMABLE INFANTRY MORTARS FOR THE SCOTTS EUGENE

>>174190370
Mounted on a universal carrier.

I fucking hate it too

>>174190370
realism is not a valid argument
t.Johan

>>174190370
>a mortar for every four infantry squads the scots field
please no

>>174190650
Its only 51mm.

>>174190640
That's sort of fair but the 15th would be better balanced if:

>Move AVRE and Crocodile to B/2 and C/4, one card each
>Move Daimler Scout and Daimler Little John to A/2 B/4, and give the non-LJ Scout a vet star
>Move the 2" UC to phase B or remove it entirely
>Add 2" Mortar infantry to Phase A, two cards of two

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>cruiser action
>actually a battleship

>>174191097
>Accept cruiser action
>Only get a destroyer

>>174191036
I think we need to see what the rest of the divisions play like before any real balancing an get done.

I mean, take away the Scots engineering vehicles and they're basically a shitty 6th Airborne.

>>174190008
I was disappointed by the community's consistent pushing for standardization too, and by Eugen ultimately caving on the MG issue. I think that while the factions seem similar, in practice the super units and various imbalances and gaps made them play very differently from each other. The differences will likely turn out less drastic than in SD, this game does after all have specializations intended to be competitive, but WG factions were not reskins of each other.

>>174191097
pulling off those missions is a blast though, just had my 2 blucher type ca's run into a b and 2 cls, but i trained for night battles and he didnt, so at 1000m the 9n guns have no problem penning the extended belt

>>174191710
>but WG factions were not reskins of each other.
ofc not, but it did grind my gears how the whining for newer and fancier unicorns slowly ground away much of the diversity that ALB had.

Does anyone have links to the ORBAT/TOE for the divisions in game?

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>>174190650
They didn't carry much ammo with them. You'd pop off like 20 rounds or something.

I'd like to know where my Humber LRCs are at though.

>mfw every single uk infantry division will get decent tanks in it's TOE because of the semi-permanent brigading of armour

>>174192567
>>174190650
>>174190370
How would one represent this?
>Cheap infantry mortars with very little ammo?
>Mortars in Scot command sections?
>A separate type of squad like the Bren section, but armed with a mortar, a Bren gun and 4 Enfields?

Holy shit I like that 3rd idea.

>>174193190
Replace bren groups with the 3rd idea 2bh

>>174191884
>you will never ever have proper Cat C T-55 and T-34 hordes again

>>174193190
Or just put mortars in all the infantry squads like reality

>accidentally unload all your units at the start
>alt+f4 instantly

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>>174193190
You'd have to have a seperate card with 3 people in a unit.

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Rip Balleste, your 700 tons are worth more than a 15000 ton Austrian Battleship ;_;.
Is it possible to invade and take home areas like a colony? I have a blockade around A-H and now that they lost their best battle ship they have 10k tons total compared to my 80k in the Mediterranean.

How is this game any better than RD?

>>174187142
The trees look like shit, the scale of units compared to their surroundings are also wonky

>>174194960
The frontlines system is leagues better than the zone system that RD uses and the usage of terrain is a lot better, so you don't have the giant clumps of forest that every match you already know what's gonna be in there

>>174195079
Yeah unit scale is really weird, I don't know what they going for with that

>>174195239

Yeah instead you have a frontline that tells you exactly where the enemy is

>>174195316
Not always, lack of your own units can cause the frontline to jump backwards pretty suddenly, even if there's only like 1 squad of enemy infantry nearby

>>174195239
>>174195079
you can disable scaling in settings, it's wonky so you know which way a tank is facing without zooming in all the way

The game reminds me more of Company of Heroes 2 with the color schemes, unit cards and UI than Wargame

>>174196207
It's less of a wehraboo clusterfuck much to the chagrin of every weeb on the steam forums

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>early game Japan, no big ships, no tech, no money
>Superimposed X turrets unlocked
>12 inch quality 0 guns unlocked
>Parliament has voted to authorize $40,000,000 for a battleship!
>all on the same turn

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>>174196547

>>174197159
>start production on a battlecruiser with superimposed X
>about 12 months into development get superimposed B as well as up to 5 center line turrets as well as triple turrets
FUG.

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Thanks for watching! As for the rest of those too busy with Easter, you can just watch the recording.

Video archive of the stream is on Youtube right now. Treat it as an AAR because I won't be writing it here (I may still do narrative AARs for future scenarios) We're six hours in (game time) with six left on the clock.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNUAyHArJ5o

So far I think it's going well. 48th Guards Tank Regiment is badly wounded and has probably assumed the defensive; I'm sending recon to look for them, allowing me to plan my counteroffensive.
200th GMRR still has a significant BMP and tank presence in the center, they've taken the eastern bank of the Weser there and are trying to fight for the river crossing now. The focus right now will be on containing them while counter attacks cut off their HQs and artillery support.
332nd Guards Tank Regiment is completely destroyed. All 95 of their T-80BVs have been destroyed or disabled, and I'm expecting no resistance when I send the tanks to counter-attack there. If successful, I could catch up to two 2S1 artillery battalions, several objectives, and even the 12th Guards Tank Division HQ and fatally wound the Soviet force.

Our fighters seem to have scared off the Soviet MiGs, but our CAS and helicopters are all gone. Buks (SA-11s) were more than enough to deal with our limited air support.

Current situation @ 1024 hours (H+0554). Sorry if you can't read shit.

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Rate my first deck

>>174202283
shit

>>174202331
Really

>>174202283
all told, your tank tab costs more points than you make in a 40-minute game. more quality, less quantity would probably be a good idea, including throwing in a firefly for phase A.

probably need more pioniers instead of a card of MG42s, just for the meat.

could probably cut that flak 36 and flak 38 AA for a plane and some support, like a beute cromwell, or another card of recon

artillery and supply are excessive for how I play, but with how strong arty can be I guess that might be subjective

What the fuck is up with all the edgy retards that keep kicking me from games for naming my self Niggerjewmuslimkiller666? I had absolutely 0 fucking trouble in Red Dragon. I swear to Allah the new audience in this game is fucking cancer

>>174201763
what about that google earth thing that shit was lit

>>174203504
paradrones

When are we getting a new Men of War steam group or Discord? I would even settle for an IRC channel, just no fucking memespeak

>>174203504
Paradoxfags are just "respectfully disagreeing" with you :^)

>comparing Panzer IV J to Panzer IV H
Why is one side armour and one accuracy worth 20 points and a one-per-card penalty?

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>>174205790
Now.
I play MOWAS with quite a few people already. This place has Steel memes to stay afloat so I'm not to worried about it taking away discussion.
https://discord.gg/3QxutdE

>>174191884
diversity in skyhawk count?

USA is fucking redicioulous in Rule the Waves. I'm at war with them and managed to sink 4 BC, 2 B, 4 CL, 6 DD over the course of 2 years and yet they're still pouring in even more ships into the caribbean. Both of our budgets are now exceeding GB's due to how intense the war is. Puerto Rico has changed hands 4 times during the war.

>>174209746
The US usually surpasses the Brits by 1920 anyway and yeah, their budget and industry means the USN gets huge.

>>174210259
Are we talking historical resources or nah?

>>174212472
Either.

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R8 M8S

>it's a "handful of panthers fighting hoards of allied tanks fastmoving down roads" episode
SD is authentic to the source material. Don't tell me otherwise.

>>174206559
The Panzer IV J had a hand cranked turret, while the Panzer IV H had an electric one. I do not know if that difference is in the game.

>>174216382
Turret rotation speed is universal ingame so, no, it doesn't really matter.

Combat Mission with Japs when
Close Combat with Japs when

>>174218419
Japs are pretty lame. I want to play ANZAC

>>174217726
are you sure? There were definitely differences in wargame

>>174218708
So Japs vs ANZAC

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>Yet another american division with garbage units and garbage stats

Eugen is literally the biggest wehraboo developer in the industry.

redpill me on making ships in RtW

>>174218849
Aim times is different, but the actual hull/turret tracking rate on the models is pretty much universal across the board.

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>>174219517
1. Research ship design so you get cool shit like centerline and superimposed turrets
2. fear monger as much as possible so the government gives you loads of funding
3.design big ships with big guns, or design small ships with torpedos to fuck big ships up
4.???
5. build the ship.
on a serious note, you shouldn't focus much on battleships for the first few years due to low funding and rapid tech advancement. 6 inch guns are your friend as guns larger than that have a penalty to hitting destroyers. It's fine to have a slight RoF penalty to your secondary and tertiary guns since theres so many of them and lower calibers already fire fairly fast.

>>174219350
supply boats?

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>>174219350
>140 points for a 10 attack power, 13 armor, C Phase tank that won't pen jack shit unless it moves up some 300+ meters all while being penetrable to B Phase panzers, nevermind C Phase, before those 300 meters
>no stars
I get it's an infantry division, but that tank will do fucking nothing. What are you doing Eugen?

>>174219517
Centreline multi-gun turrets whenever possible, speed or armour superior to their most likely intended opponents, 4 or 5 in guns for DDs, 6 inch guns for CLs, either 6, 8 or 10 inch for CAs and remember that the more different calibres a ship has the worse, tertiary batteries are basically never worth the weight and anything bigger than 6 in get penalties firing on DDs.

Long range and reliable engines are for Raiders, Colonial ships and precious little else unless you have a shitload of free tonnage.

>>174220501
Rhino shermans were designed to cut through hedgerows

>>174220832

But they won't in-game, already confirmed by madmat no tank will be able to drive through hedgerows.

Battlegroups listed by power rating:

US
UK
Panzer
Luft

>>174220894
Well in that case
>>>Eugen

>>174220936

>12. SS not the best

kek

>>174220936
>US first
>12th third

>>174220936
t. history channel

SD doesn't look that good to me but I feel like getting it just because WG is dead as fuck at times.

Confirm that I can pre-order and play until a certain date before refunding?

How is the RTW gameplay, particularly its diplomatic part?

>>174221601
Fun.

>>174221019
>muh firefly

>>174222046

>Firefly
>1200m range cromwell in phase A
>BEF Panther
>Panther G
>Wuhrframen 40
>Flak 41

>>174221884
How complex is it?

>>174222417
You are just in charge of the Navy, you dont control diplomacy

>>174221473
You can pre-order, play the beta, than refund at release.

>You cannot build a destroyer of the displacement
Where can I see what the max displacement I can build is, and how do I increase it? I literally cannot build 900 ton dp destroyers

>>174224862
500t is the starting allowance, you have to research in Light Forces and torpedo warfare to unlock higher displacements, which I believe go 600, 900, 1000, 1500.

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ITS HAPPENING

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Is there damage difference to the HE types?
so far flak 38 did nothing at all

>>174225202

I assume so, what do those little icons next to the HE number represent? AoE damage?

>>174225287
Maximum ammo

>>174225379

I don't mean the numbers, i mean that little symbol right next to the 5, looks like an ammo belt for the Flak 38

How do I cancel an attack in RtW?

I am only in control of 2 ships and the rest of the fleet is fighting a losing battle instead of retreating

>>174225686
You can't, you've just been Beatty'd.

>>174225484
I assumed its the HE ammunition type but both units have flak 38

How do I into Emperor of the Fading Suns

>>174219350
>Artillery in the support tab
wat

Also, do we know whether Rhino tanks will be able to traverse hedgerows?

>>174228809

Maybe it's in the support tab because it can also be used for direct fire instead of just indirect fire.

>>174219350
I'm thinking that phase B medium tanks are going to need a price buff at some point.

M4A3 75mm, Panzer IV, Churchill IV, are all just too expensive for units that get very easily popped by phase A anti tank guns and don't have the AP to stand a chance against late phase B tanks like the Panther D. Whilst many German players are forced into buying the PzIV by circumstance, the Churchill is never taken, people just get 3cards of command Churchills instead.

Historically, how did tank combat actually happen in the hedgerows of Normandy? I assume the whole tank column advance didn't really work the way it did on the eastern front. Was it about as chaotic and cat-and-mouse as SD makes it look?

>>174178048
so what can the 37mm actually do?

>>174219350
>shit IRL
>shit ingame
>complain
kys IRL amerilard

>>174228969
You can use any arty in the game as direct fire, but you probably shouldn't

>>174229394
12 rpm
>fuck up half tracks
>spam HE at infantry in the open
>cheeky fucking sideshots
>300m range rocket of death on the AT version (the halftrack version doesn't have that)

>>174230060
It doesn't have HE, it would be amazing if it did but not having HE is why it's so cheap.

>>174229209
Vehicles in general are a bit too expensive. Why are the cheapest tanks in the high double digits in price?

Panzerbabbies aren't nearly as aggressive as they need to be to beat scots. 17lbrs are perfect for psychological warfare as they never wanna send their precious Panthers into a crossroad where there's been 2 confirmed 17lbrs and possibly more

>>174230849
Because they're absolutely worth it for their ability to dick on infantry.

>>174230849
>why is a mobile vehicle that fucks up everything and is difficult to destroy so expensive?

>>174230849
The Honey Stuart is perfect at 80 points

>>174230950
It was unbelievably easier playing my first game as Scots vs my 10 games as Luft

>>174231101
Luft is a terrible div though, I had a blast in my first 12th SS game despite losing

>>174231049
command M5A1 is great too at 90 points
totally fucks up shit
why would you bring card of normal M5A1 when you probably wont be able to put them all to use

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>>174231342
Yeah we all know about the CMD M5A1

>>174231253
b-b-but they get cute little 7.5cm support guns and 3.7cm paks

and 10pt troops!

Will 2 einsatzgruppen beat 1 rifle squad?

>>174231924

is the rifle squad a bunch of Jewish civilians?

>let's play a 10v10
>two dudes decide to play artillery and air only
>one flank crumbles completely in the first engagement
>the two dudes loses all their phase A airplanes
>they apparently only have B and C phase artillery
>both support guys leave two minutes before phase B starts
this is why we can't have nice things

>>174232126
Oh shit I meant ersatztruppen

ERSATZTRUPPEN

>>174225202
AA is shit for taking down planes right now, it mostly tickles them

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>>174232126
>>174231924
>>174232270

>>174232280
Mostly tickles them except when it shoot them down, otherwise providing a decisive advantage for any air-to-air engagements while also being able to very effectively engage ground targets

>>174231253
only salvageable aspect of luftlande is their airforce spam, but even then a decent allied team can mitigate it, and coupled with how enemy arty totally fucks up anti tank guns and AA good luck trying to set up a decent defence against a concerted enemy push

>>174232236
>"it's a team decides to spam 2 players on each flank and leaves you to deal with a massive gaping centre" episode.

On another note, the ducks alright but it's so fiddily to micro, you have to keep clicking the sodding thing to make it attack the same enemy after the initial run

>>174232280
the tri-pollsters are pretty good at fucking up BF 109s, add a leader and you can usually fuck up early game air until phase B arrives and the Junckers come out

>>174232846
Probably because the pilot really doesn't want to turn around in his shitty flying bathtub.

>>174232925
pretty much this, if I can't get the fucker to kill a tank on the first pass I have to wrestle with this flying fucking whale and hope it bothers to give me a second pass before enemy AA/ fighters come to fuck me up

update when?

Stuarts are literally the best tank in the game based on cost effectiveness

>>174235835
What, at attacking infantry on open fields? Because you definitely don't meant attacking other tanks.

>>174235835
>cost effectiveness
This is the stupidest meme ever.

>>174236371
>>174236431
I've seen them kill Fireflies and Bfw PzIVs

>>174236371
they sure beat the shit out of early panzers and halftracks

>>174236723
Sure it can kill anything, but we're talking likelihoods

>dude this 3.7cm pak totally killed 3 jumbos in 3 shots, it's the best anti-tank!

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>>174237992
>he doesn't consistently have success using cheap Stuarts to harass infantry and beat back halftrack spam before using it's mobility to put it in a forward position where it can sideshot Phase B tanks when they finally arrive.

>>174236371
they rape the early panzers that come out

if you're lucky you can completely overrun ther enemy frontline in phase A with stuart, greyhound and infantry HT spam, seriously, the suppression effect the HT's have is ridiculous, god help and luftlander you come across as even their ambushes arnt quick enough to stop the bullet spam panicking them and insta surrendering.

Carrier spam is the new meta. The only thing that at the minimum mitigates it is enemy beute fireflys and cromwells, but the axis players keep them so far back that you can pretty much swamp enemy infantry positions, at which point the axis player will just withdraw to a rear line until phase C happens. By then you've dug in and have 4 jumbos to greet them.

trick is to not dismount your infantry until their right at the woodline, that way you get maximum firepower and less attrition from enemy mortar spam

>>174238215
Alright anon good for you

>>174237992
I've seen them do it consistently though. So I'd say it's a fairly likely thing

>>174238530
their relaly a tank for early game but if you keep them alive are extremely useful stressers to help with your massed jumbo and HT pushes mid game.

Honestly though, if you play the deck right, you won't need to push late game as you'll have wiped the enemy's entire starting positions, but stuarts are pretty nice to have for when you're doing armored recon and ambush missions around an enemies flank. Throw in a few spare HT's to lead the way and you can gurantee that you'll wipe any would be ambushers before reaching the enemies delicious rearlines

>>174230560
oh

the version of the 37mm on the halftracks panzershreks come in have HE

The tripolsten is fucking ridiculous

>dude let me just kill any AA/AT team in one burst ahaha
>oh did you send up some 50pt Fallschirm into these woods?
>I'll just wheel in and kill em because that's tris for ya

>>174240760

Remember that bit at the end of Saving Private Ryan where the germans wheel an AA gun into the town and use it to shred the americans? Turns out that shit's realistic.

>>174240817
>>174240760
Using AAA in direct fire is realistic.

The tri-polsten's secret space age aryan-seeking radar guidance system blessed by the prophets of zion themselves is not realistic.

>>174241019
Tri-Polstens confirmed for being crewed by Jewish Legion soldiers

Oh sorry anon, your HS AT-plane can't take out this mortar carrier in one pass, but this spitfire will be able to chew your ass open in three seconds flat. Yeah you can take a fighter to (potentially) protect it, but now I've forced you to spend 340pts+ just to use your 200pt plane. Which I'll shoot down anyway, because your fighter can't stop me from doing this. You're pretty much giving me a free 200pt kill actually, even my AA can shoot it down.

Why would you take the HS you ask?

Why, because it's great at killing tanks of course!

I've beaten every single wargame campaign on the highest difficulties and played tons of 1v1, ranked or otherwise, in all 3 Wargame games covering 600hrs.

Why, then, can't I win a single Luft game vs Hard-level AI?

>>174241463
Oh you're cute acting like artillery actually does anything

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>Challengers with Dingo vet

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>>174242386
pardon?

>>174242545
Well you've had a lot better luck than me, all my arty does is make little sounds while firing from 1200m away

>>174242545
>unlimited anurism works.jpg

>>174241019
>aryan seeking radar
hearty kek

>>174242287
Because the AI is weird in conquest mode. It doesn't play like a human at all. And not just in the usual "AI has maphacks" way.

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Pionier or Panzer Grenadier? also rate

>>174243073
I put it down to infantry being vastly more vulnerable to vehicles than in Wargame.

>AT guns will get slapped silly trying to advance and die very easily in general
>pushing with any kind of AT-plane will result in it being shot down by an enemy fighter in seconds if you don't have a fighter of your own literally a second away
>Infantry can't engage armour outside of slapping distance

Luft are just an incredibly inferior battlegroup with its reliance on (unreliable) aircraft above all else, but this is a beta so no doubt some large changes are in the works.

>>174243872
Pionier are great for city fights, and they're cheaper, and they come more to a card. Panzergrens should be in your deck to provide infantry AT but pioners are the better unit.

>it's a Luftlander abuses offmap arty episode

>>174246496
He's got fuck all else going for him to be fair

>>174246496
What else do you want him to do? Just roll over and die?

>>174244123
I mean, we're getting more divisions eventually, so it's not like every one is going to be S-tier.

>>174244123
using Hs129 once in phase A and when its ready again its already phase B
and it probably fails to take out that crocodile

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>just realized hitting the side or back armor of tanks with planes is more likely to kill them
I'm a fucking idiot.

>>174249498
I feel like microing your planes to do this would be difficult.

>>174249629
You'd be surprised how often people show their side armor or how often there's a gap in their defenses that'll allow you to attack from their left or right instead of their front.

>>174249498

Don't aerial attacks normally count against top armour anyway?

>>174249817
I doubt it. If you tried hitting the top of a tank with the duck at a reasonable angle, you'd most likely crash.

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>>174250217

Hopefully the Stukas will deliver

More divisions when Eugen?

>>174249817
in WRD rockets and missiles were for normal armor, iron bombs could hit top if you're lucky

>>174250592
When they figure out how to balance them out.

>>174250642
Actual balance or Eugen balance?

>>174250804
Eugen balance, because actual balance is a rarity.

>>174251807
So, tomorrow?

>>174251876
Heheheheheh....no

>>174251918
But the current divisions are balanced :^)

>>174251807
>Eugen Balance
French division with AMX-13s and ARL-44's when?

>>174251876
Probably next week, optimistically this week

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>One guy groups his units on a part of the map already declared at start leaving a gap

>Another quits for no discernable reason after calling us shitters

People in this game are fucking retarded

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>>174178048
>tfw /wgg/ is back

Does anyone have a flowchart for playing Red Dragon/Airland battle?

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>Eugen in charge of balance

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>>174253783

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>>174253783
Ally tanks can't withstand a direct confrontation with axis tanks. You'll need numbers, suppression, or flanking maneuvers to deal with them.

Once again what the fuck Eugen?

>>174253956
>suppression, or flanking maneuvers to
Shouldn't you be doing this anyway?

>>174253949
>howling.jpg

>>174253956
You'll need to commit more points, control more ground, and call in support to have a chance at damaging them.

>>174254076
ah shit I forgot to put howling

>>174254076
explain this meme

>>174253956

Oh but he had numbers, i just had that BEF panther and a Jagdpanzer IV and killed every single one of his tanks, bleeding his deck completely dry of armor. Flanking maneuvers don't work since my panthers would just turn the ront armor towards his units flanking me before they even got a shot off due to the unreasonably high chassis rotation speed and the ability of units to face the frontal armor to units they can't even see due to how the IrisZoom engine works.

>>174178048
>Command: Modern Air Naval Operations
I just picked up this game, Any good tutorial or so on, right now I am just doing sub actions which are simple to add.

>>174181793
Fleet of Subs

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>>174254304
Howling

>>174254417
>chassis rotation speed
god fucking damn it, these tanks turn on a fucking dime

naziboos complaining about the panther being bad are actual 100% shitters

Its also inaccurate to have tanks to be able to turn in place that couldn't in real life like shermans. They need to add that as a mechanic with certain tanks being able to maneuver like that

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>first online game
>tfw I bullied the luftlande

>decide to try germans for once
>two retarded wehrboo teammates in a 3v3
>one of them literally doesn't push an inch the entire game
>despite having no opponent across from him because I'm being doubled up on
Don't worry though a YouTuber was there so you won't have to take my word kek

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>>174255639
DO NOT BULLY THE LUFT

>>174255971
Why?

>avre fires in general direction of trees
>dead infantry comes out

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>>174255639

>2 divisions in the beta
>One division consists of elite soldiers that arguably invented what we know as modern airborne operations
>The other is a rag-tag group of teenagers assembled from the German boyscouts in a desperate lack of manpower
>Boyscouts are the ones who kick ass

>>174256242
You're forgetting the part where the Luftlande is mainly random asshole replacements instead of real FSJ

>>174256242
>Standard British Infantry Division shits on them both

Destruction is the most retarded game mode in SD. I think I haven't seen Allies win it at least even once, yet this fuckwits keep on populating those servers. Someone explain me why?

>>174256915

Wasn't the 15th Infantry comprised of hardened BEF veterans? I'm probably mixing things up.

>>174256242
91. Luftlande =/= 3. Fallschemjager

Luftlande only had an attached company of Fallschemjager integrated from the 6. FJD. The rest of it was mostly mid-eschelon infantry units and airfield units.

The besten de besten are actually 3rd FSD, which we're getting in the full game.

>>174256960
I feel like destruction is the only mode Luft can win 1v1

>>174257091
15th spent most of the war training. You're thinking of the 51st HD

>>174256960
destruction has always been the retard mode in these games

it rewards parking your units in defensive positions and keeping them there, and lets you spam artillery and then clap your hands when the big numbers pop up

>>174257649

I feel destruction was a better-flowing mode in Wargame where conquest demanded you seize control of specific polygons on the map using pricy CV units and that basically led to moshpits over valuable parts of the map instead of the cheeky breeki shenanigans you could do in destruction.

Now that we have the frontline system conquest is the way to go.

>>174257486
>>174257091
Wasn't the 15th originally a territorial division at the start of the war?

>>174257905
Frontline system makes Conquest significantly more enjoyable now. Especially when you can pull of sweet encirclements and actually have to cover your bases.

Destruction just turns into AT spam.

>>174258646
Pretty sure it was, though the TA distinction wasn't very meaningful a year or two into the war.

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Reminder to join MoW Discord and put it in the next OP
https://discord.gg/watM75d

>>174257649
conquest is literally spam the most amount of mobile units and rush them forward. A certain deck is basically powerless against this tactic.
So it's quite clear what type of player you are.

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>>174259784

>>174259784
MoW only? Are are you guys tolerating SD casuals who happen to own MoW too?

>>174257286
Destruction mode in general is heavily favouring Axis with 3rd infantry being probably the wost division for that mode. Also combo SS: Firefly + LL: Bf109 Phase A to nuke AT guns is fucking ridiculously OP.

>>174259854
>he can't into AT guns and MG teams

>>174259854
Are you retarded or just that bad?

>>174260462
Yes SD is welcome

>>174261058
>>174261530
are you upset that your spamming tactic is completely obsolete in destruction?

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>someone actually wrote this seriously

>>174261953
Wehraniggers need to die

Reminder that Wheraboos are people too and to treat them with respect as you would any other human, even if they are lesser beings.

>>174261953
Howling

>>174261953
I swear wehraboos act like this every game. It doesn't matter if its SD44, H&G or MoWAS, there is just no point in talking with those people...

>>174262204

I'm honestly quite surprised at the lack of wehraboos on /wgg/, I would have thought the /pol/ race-mixing was bigger.

>>174262204
>Wehraboos literally deny the holocaust and glorify nazi Germany
>treat them like people

When the recognize the 6 billion Jews killed maybe.

>>174261953
>the Alliance

fuck PACT.

>>174261953
>inb4 "20 x Agree"

>>174261953
>only ever play germans
>panthers were never a problem for me :^)
lol

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>>174262378
literally (you)

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>>174261953
>Alliance

>>174262337
/wgg/ always seemed to have more slavboos than anything and on other generals that might attract them there's just too much shitposting for them to be clearly dominant.

>>174262985
Also the fact German equpment really was quite crap compared to it's reputation, and I'd like to think we have a bit more sense than that

>>174263307
>German equipment
>Crap
AHAHAHAHAHHA. Panthers were literally unable to be destroyed by tanks on the Western front, and they had to use planes and naval strikes to take them out. On the Eastern Front, only and IS-2 was able to destroy a panther. That or a human wave assault that cost at least 100 men for every tank destroyed

>>174263441
That was if they didn't break down

>>174242169
>great at killing tanks

yeah, if you by some RNG magic kill in the first run, if not then it's writhe in the air like some sort of retarded whale getting shot at by AA before by some god given miracle it comes in for a second run. IF, and only IF, the enemy hasn't any fighters to rape it

>>174262204
Wehrajews get the gas chamber

Is there any Command: Modern Air Naval Operations players here?

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>amerilards falseflagging and roleplaying as naziboos

a new low every day tbqh

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>>174263441
*penetrates glacis*

pssssh, nothing personelle kid

>>174263441
>be a panther
>flex your muscular gun and shine with your polished frontal sloped armor
>suddenly 10wild t-34 85 appear around you
>burn down one with ease
>get sideshoted by the other 9
>le t-34 face
*nothing personel kid*

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>>174264327
*it was a hologram*

>>174264621
>T-34 85 you fucked it is repaired and back in action by the next day
>your replacement panther can't even reach you since it breaks down so much

>>174264621
Not correct
>be a panther
>flex your muscular gun and shine with your polished frontal sloped armor
>suddenly 10wild t-34 85 appear around you
>burn down one with ease
>other 9 shoot you from the front
>bail because the armour cracked

>>174265323
how the fuck does the bail mechanic work?

i'ev had jumbos bail to fucking pak 37mm guns for petes sake

>>174265618

Eh bailing only happens on a direct critical hit.

If a jumbo bailed due to a 37 mm pak it was probably close enough to the gun for them to use the sneaky super dildo instead.

>join "noob game 2v2" lobby because it's the only one with people in it
>accidently pubstomp because all the noobs were werhaboos and we played scotts

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>>174263441
>be panther
>get destroyed by M5A1 Abrams

>>174267601
M5 was a criminally underrated chassis

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>>174267842
vehicle turn times are too fucking fast, i flanked this pz4 and it almost was able to turn its frontal armor in time

>>174262204
Agreed, every last wehraboo deserves a punch in the face unless they acknowledge the 6 billion of God's chosen who were killed.

Refunded Steel Division fuck this trash

>>174178252
I hope you kicked the ever living shit out of them.