/agdg/ - Amateur Game Development General

>>174026713
I'm not memeing.

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What is honestly the best language and tool to start making a really simple 2D engine in?
Or is making an engine not even worth it anymore despite the great reuse benefits?

Fuck you if you think there is no "best"

>>174026674
I want to put this girl in my game and give her all the same incompetence and self-loathing that each of us feels every day

>>174026674
>WebM Resources
mah nigga

>>174026895
Why would you make an engine?
If you want to make a game then make a game.

>>174026992
Because making an engine is like making a game and making an engine

But making a game is like making a game

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>>174027140

>>174026845
Amazing that image is so crisp considering all the use its gotten over the years

>>174027197
>png

>>174026895
2D engines are so easy that they literally take less time to build than it would take to get used to an existing 2D engine. The same is not true in 3D.

>>174026674
>didn't put the lolijam again

>>174027340
This. 3D is very hard to get working well, but 2d is piss easy. Everyone should at least make something simple from scratch.

>>174027140
Explain what an engine is if not part of a game? Pretending the engine is something separate to the game itself is stupid.

>>174026895
I would go with C as the language, the GNU/Cygwin/Msys tools to support it, and Notepad++ to write and edit, but that's just me
I'm using love2d currently but no one can agree if that's enginedevving or not
if you want more freedom and less hand-holding than something like Game Maker, I can totally recommend LOVE

>>174027419
I don't remember there being a majority agreement we should have one

>>174027520
There are people who just dev neat features that could be used in any game but they may or may not plan to even ever use, and get stuck in a rut of making neat shit instead of ever pulling it towards making a specific game.

That's a bad thing that should be avoided. Unfortunately due to differing definitions of "engine" people will argue endlessly assuming people are thinking something different.

>>174027520
Expert fizzbuzz programmers, everybody!

>>174027635
There will never be a clear majority agreement. Even with polls, you'll get the underrepresented people making it a major life goal to shitpost until things go their way for the extremely small issue.

>>174027635
>majority
One guy hating, you, is the only major problem we have here.

>>174027662
it's fun though

From last thread:

>>174025407
>>174025886
>>174026070
>>174027678
> To get a ray from point A in the direction of point B you can use point A as origin and (pointB - pointA).normalized as the direction.

Then use the x and y components from the direction/ray vector just like you're using input.horizontal and .vertical

Hope that is clear enough now?

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>>174026895

>>174026674
What is the point of adding Chats and WebM sections when both are already present in the tools.aggydaggy.com link?

To the anon calling bullshit on needing to write your own keyboard class in XNA, you really do. its up to you to keep track of which keys were pressed last frame, for example, so you can detect an initial keydown or keyup. All you get is an array of the currently down keys. Its bananas, but it also makes you a better programmer.

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>>174028023

>>174028143
the same point as adding any of it
completeness

>>174028143
Theres nothing that indicates that aggydaggy.com has webm instructions on it, and also visiting the link, the page doesn't have anything about webms on it. Its buried.

Considering how important webms are to agdg, if something as niche as blender models gets its own mention, then surely participation tools deserves a section as well.

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>>174026895
>best

>>174028307
I see you building that strawman

>>174027780
>pedos
>one guy hating
Uhhm im pretty sure 4chan as a whole hates pedos? Always has.

>>174028218
The only thing you need is storing old KeyboardState so you can compare it with the current.

KeyboardState newState = Keyboard.GetState();

if(newState.IsKeyDown(Keys.Space) && oldState.IsKeyUp(Keys.Space))
{
// key was pressed this frame
}
if(newState.IsKeyUp(Keys.Space) && oldState.IsKeyDown(Keys.Space))
{
// key was released this frame
}
oldState = newState;
What do you need a class for? I mean sure, it makes sense to write tool functions for WasKeyPressed() and WasKeyReleased() so you don't have that bloat right inside your actual input handling and if you WANT you can encapsulate that in a keyboard handler class, but you don't NEED to.

>>174028218
>>174028690
And I mean... I can kinda understand that somebody would find it annoying that you actually have to write those few lines yourself because XNA doesn't have a WasKeyPressed/Released tool function itself unlike most real engines - but that's because it's a pretty straight-forward DirectX wrapper and DirectX doesn't have said tool functions either. And that's code you write ONCE for your first project, then just copypaste it into all other projects. Hardly a reason to bash XNA as being "too complicated for prototyping" or whatever you were implying.

>>174028927
>And that's code you write ONCE for your first project, then just copypaste it into all other projects
What if one project has spacebar being jump, but the next project has spacebar being attack?

>>174029032
So fucking what? That's not the point at all.

>>174029183
Your little copypasting trick wouldn't work.

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>>174028927
>XNA is good for prototyping because you only have to write extremely basic functionality once!

>>174029248
XNA has "everything" you need for quick prototyping. Are you seriously complaining because it's necessary to remember old input states for keyboard and mouse yourself? XNA is a wrapper, not an engine.

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>>174029547
>XNA has "everything" you need for quick prototyping
Yeah except mouse clicks

>>174029753
>Yeah except mouse clicks
>I'm going to make an entire game without writing my own input class.

How do you expect to implement custom controls without this? The pressed/released functionality is like 4 lines of code...

>>174029868
By using an engine that actually implements it properly and allows it to be easily modified in case my game needs something different.

>>174029868
>"hey bro I have an idea for a videogame!"
>"hella sweet, lets start prototyping it!"
>IClickable.cs
because you have to write your own GUI

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Opinions on this lighting setup? I'm not sure if the area outside of the sunlit area is too dark or not

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>>174029940
>Unity babies cant imagine writing their own libraries

It's like you think this is engine deving... I don't even use XNA but making shit in it is just as trivial as unity. Even more trivial if you aren't used to using editors.

Linking the music strawpoll again.http://www.strawpoll.me/12749022

>>174030146
But I don't want to waste my time making libraries that already exist. Why should I waste my time making a library that already exists?

>>174030360
What game is this for?

>>174030508
Because the style would suit you more than unity.

Tbh if I had more experience with 3D dev when I was using XNA I would have stuck with it. It's kinda pleasure to use. Been using Unity for 2 years and I still end up fighting it more than anything.

>>174030508
Why should you even waste your time deving a game, when so many game already exist?

>>174030675
you make a compelling point

pack it up boys

>>174030675
Because I want to make a game. That's the difference. I enjoy making games, not making libraries or engines.

>>174030608
Working title is Neighborhood Watch. Mech-based survival on a to-scale Earth. So, figure the typical survival/exploration feel.

>>174030675
No no no no no
No existential crises allowed /agdg/ you know better I can't take these.

>>174028420
>makes u pedo LOL
Everyone already told you how much of a fucking idiot you are so I'm just going to reiterate it.

>>174030829
Give up your dreams. Your game idea has been done before, with more budget and quality too.

>>174030814
>Mech-based survival
I'm going to preorder this

How do I get you faggots to reply to my posts when I post my game? You all reply to shitty games and praise them so I see no excuse.

>>174031059
The thread ebbs and flows
Probably you were posting during a high tide of shitposting

>>174031059
Pipe down you histrionic bitch. Posts with obvious flaws, meme posts, and really good posts get (you)s. Everything else gets ignored because people get tired of saying "nice".

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First time trying to do arm IKs, how do I straighten it out here?

>>174030094
Why he is rim lit while in shadow?
Skybox is too bright
Shadowed area seems alright if its dusk

>>174031174
Shitty baby games with no effort involved will get dozens of praise though.

>>174030094
>>174031248
Yeah the rimlighting is the biggest problem.

>>174031040
Feel free to follow the development. I post weekly updates to YouTube. Certain geographical entities will spawn rarer mechs with super gear. I'm in between fixing bugs from my last testing build and implementing the moon, world, and the results of the music poll. After that, it's create more parts, distribute to promoters, and put out on early access.

>>174031282
This is where you expect me to ask you for examples so you can vent by shitting on devs whom you believe receive undeserved attention, right?
I'd love to know what your game is but obviously you don't want it associated with your shitposting.

I wanna make game but I dunno what game to make :(

>>174028391
>best
hahaha

>>174031571
I'm not going to single people out, that would be mean. Just don't understand why they get replies but my stuff goes ignored. It's really getting to me.

>>174031059
>>174031781
sometimes I don't respond to a progress post of all if I can't think of anything to say other than "nice work"

>>174031059
you say "your mother/sister/waifu will die if you don't respond to this post"
of course, that won't get you *relevant* replies
you could also shit on other people's projects when you post, but that won't get you relevant replies except for people shitting on your project

>>174031781
You do realize that spending your time obsessing over the reception other people are getting is irrelevant or actively counterproductive to your ability to generate something worthwhile, yes?

Sorry for being harsh, but your game probably doesn't have anything worth observing or remarking on. That's not necessarily the case, since for example I rarely comment on the spaceship game guy's posts because he seems like he knows what he's doing and doesn't need my advice, but from your attitude I'm guessing that you're more likely someone frustrated with a game that on some level you know is mediocre at best. Address that instead of worrying about replies on some dumb imageboard.

>>174031463
>Certain geographical entities will spawn rarer mechs with super gear
What

>implementing the moon
nigga what

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persona but on mobile and you get stats and dungeons from passing other people streetpass-style

you don't have to walk around to complete dungeons you can do them whenever once you've discovered them

also charge for relationship dialogue

>>174031781
Even a hint of unironic self-aggrandizement is a huge turnoff, devs tend to have to be self deprecating in here

But probably your art is uninteresting. Art is 90% what matters when catching (You)s

>>174032172
...why would you give someone tips on how to be an attention seeking fucktard?

>>174032317
>What
Being near say, a capital city, will cause one of the bosses to spawn. Oceans and large enough bodies of water will spawn a certain boss. That sort of thing

>nigga what
I made the moon reflect the actual phase of the moon in the real world. Just because I can.

>>174032423
add in goog's art for good measure

>>174032453
Lack of attention is what killed Pugs Life

and pugdevs pug

>>174031781
getting replies sucks, it means you fucked up. Nobody comments on stuff that looks ok/good.

It's like dicks in the locker room. As amateurs, we all have small dicks. If some guy posts progress and it's decent, he has a decent sized dick. Maybe not chad sized, but bigger than yours. So you are embarassed. You don't call him out, because he can just laugh at your smaller dick.

But when you see anons with shitty small dicks, smaller than yours, you point and laugh.

That's what it feels like when you get comments here, like everyone has seen your small dick and they're laughing at you

>>174032605
This post reeks of failed normie.

>>174032585
he got plenty of attention in the thread though. he just mistook that for an audience

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Had a few days of little progress for various reasons, but back at it.

Added slopes and one way platforms. Still some jittering on the slopes that I need to deal with, but they're functional.

>>174031781
CUTE
CUTE

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>>174029547
>>174029248
>>174030146
>>174030508
>>174030628
>>174030675
>>174030749
>>174030829
>>174030778
>>174029940
>>174029868
>>174029753
>>174029868
Well, I guess we're one step closer to being back to regular AGDG.

Instead of arguing with lolifags, we're having the 15 millionth edition of Engine Wars.

Whoopee.

>>174032883
Wanna argue about tumblr in filenames instead?

why are you talking about libraries, books ain't gamedev

>>174032785
Damn man that's giving me old shockwave game vibes, I like it. But yeah keep it up, it's certainly looking functional.

>>174032785
I'm inspired by your steady progress, anon.

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>>174032959
>patrolling filenames

>>174031203
From the front it should be as straight as possible and from the side, there should be a slight bend at the elbow.

>>174032453
I'm telling him what not to do if he wants meaningful replies
also shits and giggles

how many choices does a VN need to have to be considered a video game?

>>174033841
Not enough.

>>174033841
All of them

>>174033841
Just slap a minigame in it at some point.

Alright /agdg/

I have a basic idea on what I want to do
I have alright programming experience

How do I art good in a short amount of time?

>>174033841
The choice to have gameplay

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>>174034345

>>174033121
>>174033318
Thanks anons!

>>174033841
VNs need to just skip straight to the point and include a rape option with every interaction

What c++ 2d engine should I use?

>>174034727
Gotta use Unreal for 2D

>>174034727
Your own.

>>174034890
Why would I want to spend hours programming something that's already there?

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Progress

>>174035021
Nice. It really gives me that "playing a blurry photograph in a low budget 1980s gaming magazine" vibe.

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sersPgor

>>174033841

What's your VN?

Typically what separates a game from a VN is an end state so I imagine having choices that will be a game over is essentially what it is.

>>174034654

Works for Illusion

>>174037050
Illusion makes shitty games, not VNs.

>tfw spending the last hour making it bearable to draw images onto javascript canvas
kill me

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Rate my rough hoe swinging animation, agdg.

>>174037772
looks about right for /fa/ trying and failing to do manual labor

>>174037850
>t. casual

There are backwards ways to rotate the image
There's scaling the image
There's loading the image
If I don't want 30 image files for one sprite animation and instead just want to use a sprite sheet, there's cropping the image

I don't feel like going through that process every single time I use a new image in my game, so I'm streamlining the process now

ive started and dropped 3 projects tonight

i need help

>>174039000
>3 dropped projects
>000
confirmed factual

>>174039000
just stop drop and roll

>>174039000
Go back and finish one of them

>>174037772
ever studied animation? if not go learn at least the basics. this is all kinds of wrong man. Art can make or break your game.2/10

Can I write custom netcode for a Unity game? Will it still work on non-windows platforms if I use System.Net instead of the Unity networking library?

Is making a text-based game entirely on C viable? I started something but I'm not sure if it'll hold out

>>174040247
Yes.

>>174040247
If you're making a text based game why not use a language that has an easier way to deal with strings?

>>174040021
Generally you can write custom anything for Unity. A guy I know is currently developing a MMO (kek) and uses Unity exclusively for rendering, the whole game logic, networking and database stuff is custom code sitting in DLLs and making heavy use of .NET stuff. As for the second part of your question I don't see why it shouldn't work as long as you're using a version of .NET which is supported on the other platform.

>tfw you fell for the love2d meme

>>174040409
That's basically what I wanted to do as well, just use unity for rendering. I guess I'm a bit wary because unity runs on mono on most platforms right? And mono might not support everything that .NET proper does.

>>174039632
Can you tell me what exactly is wrong with it? Saying "all kinds of things" and pointing out none of them isn't very helpful, anon.

>>174040789
I'm not him, but the anticipation is really good with the extra frame. The problems appear with the lack of arc, even if he can't afford another frame some kind of flashy fake arc would help sell it. The secondary action is there but not where it should be, a little hair movement would help.

>>174040409
Why the (kek) on MMO?

>>174040563
Well I'm no expert on Unity, just started last month. For all I know mono supports full-fledged .NET, but you're restricted to older versions of it (same for C#). It's one of the major complaints you keep reading on the forums, but iirc they are planning a major upgrade for summer this year.

>>174041008
So far their team only consists of 2 devs, so I'm a bit sceptical they will ever deliver. Although nothing is impossible of course, one of the guys is an excellent programmer with decades of experience (15 years C#, C++ before that) - but never made game so far. Dunno about the other guy, never met him.

>>174040969
I appreciate the in-depth critique. Was planning on adding hair movement when I cleaned it up. I see what you're saying about the arc. I had a frame in between, but I thought it made the swing look too slow. I'll definitely try adding an effect and see how that looks.

Thanks!

Thanks!

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IS the art in my city level bad? Does it need to be more cubic?

>>174041931
It's very cluttered

>>174041984
alright I will fix it and get back to you senpai.

>>174041931
>>174041931
gotta agree with >>174041984

Generally your art is great, but there's way too much going on in that one screen. What the fuck do you "need" those 15 traffic cones for? I'm assuming they have zero impact on gameplay, right?

>>174041262
Really? Well, I need to start from scratch then!

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>>174041931

Do you use IK bones for arms? I'm having a fair bit of trouble with mine and I'm wondering if it's worth it

>>174026674
So, do we actually have a full, successful production yet?

Can I post my damn sprites without them being torn apart by people with 'experience in the industry'?

>>174043619
>Can I post my damn sprites without them being torn apart by people with 'experience in the industry'?

Why would you want this. Suffering amkes us stronger.

>>174041931
Oh boy, this game looks so cool. If only it would COME OUT ALREADY WITH ITS DEMO COUGH COUGH

>>174043705
Well, I guess I'm more okay with it if it's the standard these days.
It just seemed like back when I was on a couple of years ago, there was more /agdg/ committed to stopping projects, than there was starting them.

>>174043619
Newfags can direct themselves elsewhere.
Risk of rain is the most prominent game to come out of agdg.

>>174043275
FK for arms and IK for legs is a pretty common setup for animating.

If you can manage IK for arms in-engine to grab things that might work

>>174041931
The normals on the lamppost and busstop looks weird.

>>174043619
>>174043793
You are taking this the wrong way.
Every time someone looks at your work and points something out he's saving you tons of otherwise wasted time.
And if someone's replies boil down to "looks like shit", well, I don't want to tell you to ignore it, because it very well might just be that fucking terrible, but always demand at least some pointers.

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>>174041984
Cleaned it up! I will redo the top section as well I'm still working on the design of the level but the idea is a city in the sky, and the top section is a little park, and the bottom section is a highway you have to cross after getting puzzle cubes from the park and dodge cars is the idea.

>>174043707
Need more time, please don't download the current old demo version the new one I'm cooking up is much better it just needs a programming friend of mine to make some minor changes and il get it ready. I cant program so I have to throw money and or future money at coders to do stuff for me since I hate code.

>>174043862
Getting rid of the normals thanks for the tip!

>>174043795
/agdg/ should really fucking stop priding itself with RoR, it's not like any of you fucks tutored Hopoo or gave him some special moral support or anything of the sort.

>>174041931
Really how cluttered it is depends on what the Gameplay is. Having backdrop isn't bad. But it looked like you were having a bunch of clutter in the playing field because there was so much foreground clutter.

>>174044190
he was supposed to give out free keys but he never did

fuck that nigger i wanted my free key

i even stayed up but they never came

>>174044081
I agree with this, but there are also some anons that will give you genuinely bad advice. (Like those retards telling Bokudev he shouldn't sell his game for more than $1 last night) So just take everything with a grain of salt. If someone says something is shit, and you just don't see it, maybe give it another pass at a later date.

Still, criticism is only going to make your game better. Just accept that some people are going to be unhelpful or even be super helpful but call you a retard in the process.

>>174044190
When /agdg/ was on /v/ it was more positive anon. I'm of course not claiming anyone was instrumental in RoRs development other than Hopoo but anon here was asking about what /agdg/ has released. What could he mean but what members have done?

>>174043820
I just find it hard to move them precisely enough with just an IK at the wrist and a pull bone for the elbow.

>>174044086
Not to be that guy, but now it just looks empty.

>>174044306
definitely, last call is always yours, just trying to do everything people tell you to do will probably just bog you down and frustrate you

"it's just my style" attitudes need to fucking go though

>>174044392
>I'm still working on the design of the level

gimmie a secondo!

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>>174044418
>"it's just my style" attitudes need to fucking go though

>>174043619
are you going to post them or what?

Is there a good alternative to GameMaker that uses a real programming language?

>>174044086
>Cleaned it up! I
Looks way better, imo, but what's this scene even for?

>>174031203
the IK typically goes on the forearm, with the IK target at the wrist.

As a way of thinking about whats going on, all the IK solver is doing is trying to put the tip of the bone with the IK_constraint to touch the IK_Target bone tail without scaling the size of the bones. Chain length tells it how many bones it gets to play with to try to achieve this.

After you remove that constraint from the palm, and add it to the forearm, the next thing you'll want to add is a disconnected bone at the elbow, parented to the uppermost parent/ root bone in your armature, and set that as your pole target, which is just a bone that tells blender which side you would prefer the arm to bend when the wrist gets close to the shoulder.

>>174044653
I wanted a world in the game to be a sky city as the theme. Each world has 4 levels and a boss in it, and I didn't want to use a generic theme for the last 4 worlds of the game. (8 total)

>start new game
>make progress for 2 weeks
>give up for a month
>come back
>start the same game from scratch because you forgot what you were doing or want to do it in another way
>repeat
anyone else do this?

>>174037772
Is he trying to break a root every swing? To till the land with a hoe is much closer to raking up leaves than overhand swings like that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHaKaB28GCY

>>174044718
How about you make it so the actual level only has the stuff you need fro the gameplay perspective, and everything else is below it. Like if you have a skyscraper roof where your action is, and all the "city stuff" is below it.

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>>174044567
There is nothing unreal about GMScript you fucking donut.
It's just another C derivative and no, all things considered, there isn't anything comparable to GameMaker on the market right now unless you throw your hands up and go for big boys like Unity or Unreal.

>>174045186
>There is nothing unreal about GMScript
lol

>>174045186
>C
More like Ecmascript than C.

>>174044978
Constantly. I hate myself and want to die.

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I'm sure there's a slightly cleaner solution to transition back to default animation but for now this works pretty well.

Works pretty well for how little scripting I needed. Most of it whats left is just tightening up the feel of the attack transitions when I import the non placeholder animations.

And deciding how I'll want to do attack collision checking.

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>>174044525
>cant differentiate the existence of a unique style he wasn't raised with from "muh style"
your use of the simpsons is what gave you away.

>>174045062
I'm not making a sim, anon. I want it to be cartoony.

>>174044978
over and over

LETS COLLAB THEN WE'LL FEEL TOO GUILTY TO QUIT RIGHT?

seriously though ue4 collab when?

Can program, tons of assets..

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>start putting some serious time into devving
>realize that everyone is making pixel platformers
>stop devving and contemplate suicide

Just your average day in the life.

>>174045808
>realize that everyone is making pixel platformers
>stop deving
explain your reasoning right now

>>174045951
>explain your reasoning right now

Pretty fucking hard to remain motivated when it dawns on you that you're unoriginal.

>>174045808
If you're making a game to be successful and make bank you shouldn't be making one in the most saturated genre anyway. If you're just doing it for fun who cares what everyone else is doing?

>>174046009
If you ever thought a pixel art platform we was original in the first place you might just be a fuckin' retard.

>>174046019
Honestly, I'm not too concerned with making serious money on anything I make, because at the end of the day, I have no talent for this kind of thing. I'd much rather just make something that stands out on its own that people will enjoy and talk about. Recognition before profit, all that shit.

>>174046009
>you have to be original to make ssomething

I guess all these consumer car designers neck themselves when they see a new lambo roll out, then. Stop making dumb excuses.

>>174046102
make a game before you worry about recognition

your first many wont be

>>174046083
It's not so much that I thought I was being original, rather I didn't think about the fact that I was being unoriginal.

I like /agdg/ because it's not as racist as the rest of 4chan.

>>174045697
gimme your assets

>>174046121
lambo isn't even a good analogy
all middle class cars look the fucking same, all of them
if they didn't have (constantly larger) brand logos, you would have trouble telling a BMW from a Hyundai these days
and cargo van bodies are literally just carbon copies of each other

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right - colors determined by base/shadow/highlight textures
left - shading determined by base texture and hueshift/sat/value properties (and a mask to keep the lights unshaded)

They both have different purposes - hard dictated textures allows for more unnatural things whereas the hue-based one ensures color vibrancy and saves a lot of texturing time while producing a near identical result (which is even better in some circumstances)

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>>174046380
another example where the contrast is more obvious (hue shift on right, textures on left)
by handling the hue shift in code you can make the in-between colors much more vibrant

>>174046320
>all middle class cars look the fucking same, all of them
That's my fucking point, you dip. You don't see people killing themselves because a CEO told them "make a new revision of our flagship sedan, and don't stray too much from what all the other companies make/what's the norm". They all look "the same"because that's what's the norm and what people want at thiss point of time, so people are going to choose bassed on some other details - bhp, comfort, price, color, trim, etc.

Same with your pixel platformers. There's a shitload of them? Okay, but some people will like fantasy ones, others will prefer frantic scifi shooting action. Some people will say "40 quid is too expensive for me", and go for the cheap ones. Meanwhile, you're maybe making some money and learning skills, expanding your portfolio, earning experience, etc etc.

You think Dacia gave a fuck about originality when it stormed the european market with cheap cars in 2005?

>>174046664
oops I'm dyslexic, swap left and right around. It's pretty obvious in the picture anyway

convince me not to use sfml

>>174046867
I agree with everything you say but Dacia is fucking shit and people buy them because they cost 6,000 euro, not because they are great cars.

>>174047041
It's shit.

>>174047121
Space Dementia dev is making it in sfml and I wish my stuff was quarter as good as his

>>174047095
> Dacia is fucking shit
Well... they're better than Tata at least, i suppose? But you're right, my point was that they didn't care about being high quality, like, say, Audi. I suppose they're like mass cheap mobile connect-3 games, they don't give a fuck.

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goodbye faux-crt filter, welcome composite filter

>>174046867
Not taking sides in the argument, but the reason the cars look the same is because the energy comsumpsion/cost to produce simulations of designs are software-generated under some constraints and they tend to end up at similar results. It's not because of the demand for generic looking vehicles. Expensive cars perform worse cost-wise, but that's not why you'd get one.

>>174047313
I think your game looks great, but I fear that there might be some usability issues. It is hard to say from images alone, but seems that there is a lot of UI clutter. I hope that you playtest this game properly before releasing it.

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>>174026674
changed aspect ratio
messed around with doors
made two rooms using blender

also i'm not rotatedev

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>>174047547
I tried to include all feedback from the last demo and it's a much smoother experience right now

post haircuts

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>>174047618
action box webm showing the doors in action

>>174046267
this is just asking to be racially insulted

>>174047368
Yeah, english is not my first language so i understood precisely nothing.

>>174047790
This looks like shit, the area where you can actually move is way too small. What's even the point of having the rest of the screen?

>>174047825
Cars are designed to make most money by computers. Human designed cars, such as lambos, are less good in efficiency.

>>174047790
I have no idea why the character is randomly teleporting on the screen

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>>174045540
How did your loli jam go gogem?

>>174047790

I have no idea what you're trying to show here...it looks like you're showing off some kind of glitch.

>>174047618
>>174047790
What's the game even supposed to be about at this point? There's no way these backgrounds could work with a twin stick game.

>>174047948
Ah, i get it, but by lambos being less efficient you mean in terms of profit?

>>174047884
>the area where you can actually move is way too small
i can increase it slightly
>What's even the point of having the rest of the screen?
it looks nice
>>174047960
it's running into the walls and getting sent back to the center
>>174047964
it's showing the limits of the play area, perhaps i could make it clearer
>>174047980
idk yet

>>174048025
Fuel consumption, durability/maintenance. If you made the two compared cars of the same materials - spent the same amount of money to make them - they would use more fuel, would break down faster and be more difficult to repair.

That's an argument for needing some innovative platformer mechanics for other to buy yours.

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>>174047618
rotatedev isn't here making her glorious return known through a strange perspective game

>>174048041
>idk yet

And how many weeks have you been working on that character and backgrounds now? Priorities buddy.

>>174048170
i'm not rotatedev, i'm ambientdev

https://ambientdev.itch.io/
>>174048174
>And how many weeks have you been working on that character and backgrounds now? Priorities buddy.
i want to figure out how the game looks before i figure out how it plays

>>174048167
Oh yeah, i get it, thanks.

>>174047961
finishing up now

>>174048247
oh lol

>>174047618
Is this 3D?

why is dongposter always getting so much attention?

>>174048678
car accident syndrome

>>174048654
it's a 2D image of a background i made in blender

see here;
>>174047790
for how it looks

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advance wars but for pc

>>174048741
I see. Looks nice.

>>174048805
So Battle Isle?

>>174048805
>3.jpg
post your folder

>>174048731
did you want to say trainwreck syndrome?

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Give me ideas for a comfy space game, that is not a shooter or strategy game, please.

Space mining, maybe?
It's meant to capture this atmosphere

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>>174048247
why won't she come back agdg

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>>174049095

>>174049095
Space VN where you live a daily life with your GF

>>174049095
You have a comfy crew of cute girls, repairing space ships.

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it's getting there now, have some basic AI and combat functionality in now

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>>174048805
actually working on a game similar to this and a few others, but its still gonna be pixel art forgive me i can't 3d and don't like bad 3d

>>174046380
How do you render outlines? Depth-normals or something different? I still can't make something that would be satisfying.

>>174049095
this pic makes me really fucking uncomfortable
like the guy obviously knows how to draw, but every now and then he left for a cigarette and a retard sat behind the computer instead of him and fucked something up
also is that fucking hebrew down left?

>>174049095
>>174049171

you are a "captain" of a small but fast vessel with you and your [insert emotion/quirk] robot. you make deliveries throughout the milky way, and customize your ship to be faster or cooler or whatever. you should be able to get into some illegal shit and have to upgrade stealth but also be able to decorate your ship with stupid shit and street-space race ricers and their ships

might be kind of fun from this perspective. you are just a delivery person in a watching events unfold from afar, not really having any effect or say on them

obligatory ability to have arcade games on your ship

i imagine this is the plot to an anime or something idk

got an idea for a business simulator, war profiteering
you first own a mine, then refineries, factories for rails/weapons/tanks/ships
as men are drafted to war you get to employ women too at less pay and less efficiency until they are educated/experienced enough
you get to employ minorities, pay them less of course but keep them from camps, you can go full schindler but also just use them, but have to be careful as you're supposed to be a patriot
then draw out the war for more profit, supplying both sides
setting is WW1/WW2 like alternate universe as to not step on to many toes and make it possible to sell the game

>>174026845
Because I'm making an mmorpg. Working on ai today.

>>174049792
Sounds okay for a concept, but only if you are able to go to the extremes, eg. only be a great, selfless person and treat your employees like angels, or employ war slaves and overwork them to death.

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>>174049171
Alien reference?

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>>174049528
Hmm... Something tells me it should be a tofu delivery, idk why...

Tofu delivery all over the solar system, using the gravitational forces in your way to help you gain more speed

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>>174049275
I'm using a couple different methods, there's different shader files depending on which method suits a specific model best

They're all based around doing an additional draw pass which has the vertex data set to push every vertex out in the direction of the normal based on a given magnitude. The downside of this is that any hard edges (ie non-smooth normals) are actually two separate vertexes on top of each other - which results in a break in the mesh when the geometry's pushed out. You can fix this by smoothing the normals, but that might not be ideal for situations where hard edges in lighting are important.

The difference between each method is how the outline depth is handled -
-I have one version that draws the outline pass first and doesn't write to the depth buffer, so the model's fill pass is drawn completely on top of the outline no matter what. This generally looks the cleanest (there's no clipping where you see "inside" a part of the outline) but the outline is never on top of any part of the model (ie no outline for an arm in front of the body), which can defeat the purpose if you're relying on the outline for definition between similar color body parts.
-I've got another version which does the same thing but writes to the depth buffer like normal - this is probably the most standard and traditional method for this kind of thing (I believe jet set, okami etc all use this method)
-I've got a third version which combines the two (pic related) - it has a thick back non-depth-writing outline and a thinner depth-writing outline (defined as a percentage of the width of the back outline). The result reflects cartoons/anime that do a 'thin outline with a thick outline rim' style and I think it looks pretty nice, but it requires three passes to draw so I imagine poly count would be an issue if models are too high poly. I'll probably only use this one for character models and use one of the cheaper options for less important things

>>174050526
Nice Frogger clone.

Would you say that you are working on a video game? Or is it more of a video shame?

>>174050859
i'm working on a video blame

because i blame you for triggering this shitpost

or maybe it is more of a video james, as I am the one making it

>>174050859
There is no shame in being true to your values

>>174050859
as long as youre not making a video same theres no need to feel video shame.

>>174050859
I'm making ur mum cum every night
multiple times

>>174051263
as long as you're deving and not shitposting there's no need to feel video shame.

A game where you keep forgetting to return your library books

>>174051496
fallout 4?

>>174051496
You can return overdue library books in Fallout 4

I hate most of you, why do I even have this tab open?

Sorry for being a dumby, but I'm starting to learn HTML and CSS from Free Code Camp, but I read on the internet that those languages aren't really programming...?

Should I let these aside and find a proper language to learn or what?

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>>174050183
>>mfw I can see it

>>174051685
masochist simulator 2017

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>>174051685
you have a problem

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What is it with women and hidden object games?

>>174051717
>Should I let these aside and find a proper language to learn or what?
Yes, unless you want to work in cutting photoshop website mockups to HTML.

>>174026895
>best
lmao @ you

>>174026895
Japanese is objectively the best language

>>174051791
>click on every pixel of the screen to win
>le epin gameplay
It's for people who don't value their time

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>>174051791

>>174026895
rust

What are the must-have features in a stealth game?

>>174052673
stealth

>>174052673
a guy who says "must have been my imagination"

>>174052673
!

>>174052754
with an arrow in his fucking back

>>174052673
a silenced tranquilizer pistol with infinite ammo

>>174052673
Basically the opposite of most stealth game. Stealth games are inherently a kind of puzzle game, not a kind of 1st/3rd person shooter. Players shouldn't have to either barge in or wait 5 hours to know the guard's pattern. That information, and information to solve a room, should be available through varied kinds of environment hints and short in-game enemy interactions that DO NOT spell out what to do (show don't tell).
Unlike other kinds of puzzle games, stealth games need to have many solutions, however.

Hitman series is flawed as shit but it's a great example of a truly good stealth series because it does just that.

fuck slopes, i wasted 3 days trying every hack to get it right with a physics engine, it just doesn't work, goodbye slopes

>>174052862
Use Box2D friend.
Or, look at Box2D's source and try figure something out if you're writing your own engine.

>>174052673
Fighting being the last resort. Look at Thief.

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guys help the window has disappeared for some reason

>>174053004
have you tried uncompiling and then compiling it again?

>>174053004
what are you writing your game in?

>>174053073
yes it didn't work
>>174053075
gamemaker...

>>174044081
It was pretty much a case of agdg dogpiling me. Not sure if that still happens.
It turned into a course of 'hey lets see how many bad edits of this guy's sprite we can make to insult him' rather than 'lets give tips to help him'.

>>174050479
Thanks for the reply. I think I'll just have to tweak my shader for better results.

>>174053228
post it again, we'll be nicer this time

>>174053004
borderless windowed is the best way to play games anyway, just leave it.

>>174053228
Maybe you shouldn't be bad on purpose then.

>>174053004
If your world objects are all going to be simple shapes like that you could consider creating them in a 3D program first so that you always get the perspectives correct... and then you just flat shade over them

>>174053385
I'm sure you will.

>>174053458
See, immediately you're not being very helpful. You expect anyone to get a game out when you're like this? And you people wonder why AGDG hasn't produced their Golden Title yet.

>>174053437
Fullscreen is superior because moar fps but wangblows fails hard at fullscreen and mode switching is super slow.

>>174053531
>If your world objects are all going to be simple shapes like that you could consider creating them in a 3D program first so that you always get the perspectives correct... and then you just flat shade over them
read the thread
>>174047618

>>174053535
>why won't you suck my cock when I am awful on purpose waaaaaaa
Try reddit.

I just had a flash of a great game idea, immediately thought that I should ask you guys if it's a good idea or not, then as soon as I got here I completely forgot what it was. Like, fucking gone. Damnit.

>>174053583
Oh oops.

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>>174053537
>Fullscreen is superior because moar fps
only if you play games which are such fucking HW hogs even turning off Windows Aero will make them run better, which is hardly a case with these pixel platformers agdg makes

>>174053728
RIP your idea.

Should have written it down / repeated it a few times in your head to commit it to long term memory.

>>174053728
it wasnt even good enough to remember, problem solved.

>>174053816
It's not because of any compositing, it's because in fullscreen, the game can directly write to the display, while in non-fullscreen, the OS gets in the way.

>>174054279
I dunno, I had it pop in my head as I was dozing off in my chair here, and they say the state where you're not quite awake and not quite asleep, but in that world inbetween, is where the best idea's are thought of.

>>174054449
for me those ideas usually turn out to be shit

I get an idea that seems great, wake up from my dozing, and immediately write it down somewhere so I don't forget it

then when I'm awake I read it and it's nonsense

>>174054449
>they say the state where you're not quite awake and not quite asleep, but in that world inbetween, is where the best idea's are thought of.
who the fuck is "they" saying this?
dream states have you believe any bullshit (including "my game idea exists and is great")

>he doesn't know you can tap the dream world for unlimited, original ideas
I pity you pixel platformer fools, all my best ideas come from dreams.

>>174054663
>mfw dreaming of pixel platformers

>>174053437
>>174053537
are you meming?

should i keep this thing if people like it

>>174053728
>first instinct after getting an idea is to ask general where mentally unstable dweebs constantly samefag and majority of content is half-ironic """""bord culture""" stuff instead of actual worthwhile content
>instead of writing it down and starting prototyping it soon after
what the fuck nigger

My code is a mess

>>174054760
Yes I was memeing, fix it and then if you want you can add an option for fullscreen and borderless window.

My code is the best

>>174054556
It's actually a technique used by some famous artists, and even some current ones. It's called Hypnagogia. One technique is while you're falling asleep, hold an object in your hand over the edge of your bed. As you fall asleep, you enter the state, and right before you actually fall asleep, your muscles loosen, you drop the object, it hits the floor, and you wake up, hopefully having thought of something really good during that short time.

>>174054929

>>174028391
>>174031667
>>174028023

I code in the REST

What about Advance Wars, except instead of playing on a 2D grid you play on a 3D cube-grid?

Is this too next-level?

>>174054889
>you can add an option for fullscreen and borderless window.
>all these hoops you have to jump through to make gamemaker scale properly
lol

>>174030675
And yet there's never been a sequel to Zelda II.

Checkmate chucklefuck.

>>174055004
that's a lot of empty space

I think I found my calling

I'm going to make Space Funeral except with worse graphics

>>174054964
i was already aware of this but thats really something that only makes sense for visual artists and storytellers looking for inspiration from the ridiculously retarded illogical shit our brains spit out in sleep (you can also take hullucinogens for the same stuff)
games are built on logic, not gonna find good game ideas there.

>>174055242
>games are built on logic

Built, yes. Founded on? No.

>>174055242
Goog, only because you are creatively devoid and only makes utterly boring number simulators or straight ripoffs it doesn't mean that other people can't have good ideas when they're most creative.

>>174055242

Visual art and storytelling comprises a major part of a lot of games.

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>>174055293
>>174055324

>>174055365
Kojima knows whats up

>>174055365
>tfw DS will finally be Kojimbo's edgy hollyjew kino he's always wanted to make

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>>174053228

>>174055562
oh wow

>>174055562
so you don't know what could be possibly wrong with this?

>>174055562
lol

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>>174055562
you don't want to become a legend like sord?

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>>174055004
Could be neat. It would make air units more interesting, since you can decide how high they will fly.
Also having different levels in the terrain.

>>174055562
Nice dick in a jar.

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>>174055774
>aggro dagger

>>174055774
Oh shit this game.

Haven't seen dev updates in awhile.

>>174026674
If I have a game like Harvest Moon, where you can sell crops and products and stuff. How do I make the whole market thing more interesting?

>>174055953
because hes on his third or fourth side project

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>>174055774
I would say "who wouldn't," but as I recall the original creator of sord was not very happy about it

it sure was funny though

>>174055829
Was that just a proof of concept?

>>174056015
i like how it looks like photorealistic cardboard for a bad cosplay

Video games always seem to be designed like movies. You follow a single, continuous narrative from A to B.

What do you guys think of designing a game like a TV show? E.g. breaking it up into a series of 'episodes' that have little (if any) relation to each other?

I was thinking of making an RPG like this. You'd play as a party of "heroes for hire" and each episode would be someone asking you for help with some sort of problem-of-the-week.

>>174055975
I've been rolling around some ideas for this for my Underwear Lumberjack game. I was thinking it might be cool to have some crops only grow in certain seasons, and have an actual supply/demand system, coupled with random events.

So for example, you grow wheat non-stop during the summertime, and you sell everything and flood the market. Gradually people pay less and less for it, and then you don't have much food for the winter.

Or, you could sell just enough to get by, then in the winter, demand goes up for it because no one's growing it, or a shipment of wheat somewhere goes into the river, so suddenly you have a 2-day period where you can make 3x money by selling your wheat.

It'd be tough to balance but could make things more interesting than "dump all items into sell chest"

>>174055975
Have an actual market?

Change prices according to:
* Season
* How much crops X have been sold by you
* How much crop X has been sold by competing farms (who you can drop by and see what they're farming, so you can know to not overfarm cash crops or whatever)
* Fads (you can judge by villiagers or newspapers or whatever)
* Government intervention (ok this is probably retarded)
* Etc...

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>>174056089
Yeah, I don't think it ever became a game.

>>174056135
Episodic games already exist.
Ill continue to say its how Patreon devs should do all their stuff.

>>174056135
So basically final fantasy, but with the same cast everytime.

>>174056212
Not a bad idea.

Much more concrete than vague improvement promises.

>>174056176
that looks pretty slick

>>174056135
I mean, any good RPG needs good quests, I don't see much of difference.

What about making a RPG that instead of leveling up you level down while you learn to rules of the game and how to exploit the system? Enemies stay at the same level, main Boss is just a normal guy.

>>174056135
>What do you guys think of designing a game like a TV show? E.g. breaking it up into a series of 'episodes' that have little (if any) relation to each other?
yeah woah what if you broke the game up into a bunch of separate areas and called them levels woah
>You'd play as a party of "heroes for hire" and each episode would be someone asking you for help with some sort of problem-of-the-week.
those are called quests you dick
>You follow a single, continuous narrative from A to B.
play a bioware rpg you dumb fuck

>>174056278
Its especially good for lewd games, which is most of the patreon game market anyway.

Its essentially what dating my daughter is doing. Although he adds a few things here and there to the previous scenarios each release.

Its a travesty watching all these great concepts get wasted.

>>174056135
That would be cool for a concept like the TV show HEROES where in each episode of the game follows one or two heroes learning about their power and using it, and after a few episodes they start coming together

>>174056413
>how about a game that punishes you for progressing
lol
>>174056463
this just sounds like the origins in dragon age origins

actually that's a pretty good idea, just tons of origin stories