/agdg/ - Amateur Game Dev General

if you're making a 2d platformer you need to leave right now

>>173871909
Currently playing Rain World. Seems fresh (have never played much platformers though, so I'm not "worn out" on the genre. Maybe a bit too punishing

finally, fuck.

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Why doesn't your game have a capybara?

Are the following pieces of code the same in C++?

1:
for(whatever)
if(whatever)
doSomething();

2:
for(whatever){
if(whatever){
doSomething();
}
}

>>173912014
cuz in not a CUTE obsessed fuck

CUTE
CUTE

>>173912139
2017 is the year of cute

>>173912105
yes.

>>173912105
Yes.

Man, some people are hella talented

Is there an engine that I can easily make a fancy text adventure in?

>>173912557
Unity

>>173912351
Are you referring to something in particular?

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send help

>>173911721
You forgot this, anon-kun-senpai-family-bro.

https://itch.io/jam/agdg-loli-jam-2017

>>173912632
wut

>>173912772
I agree with Unity. What's wut about it?

>>173912105
Yes but do not trust multiline code without brackets, that's just asking for trouble.
Limit the first case to 1 statement at most.

>>173912718
he didn't forget anything you turd

>>173912718
>loli

well, that excludes half the people who can't draw

nth for KEYMASTER

>>173913047
What about the other half of the people who can't draw?

>>173912557
Godot

>>173912105
Yes, but the fact that you had to ask means you really should be using the clearer version.

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>>173913116

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>>173913037
What's wrong with Loli Jam?

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Understandable tutorial agdg?

>>173911416

That's ok. I'd love to collab on a monstergirl game if you're interested.

>>173913418
You need to take an art class and learn the concept of flow, m8. And no, the prompts are awful and un-readable.

>>173912557
command prompt

>>173913418
What the fuck. I literally have 0 clue what any of the signs are even remotely supposed to mean. I honestly believe that a user would more quickly learn the game if there was nothing.

>>173913418
What games inspire you besides Nintendo stuff?

>>173912653
Just have been playing indie games for a month or so. Never actually played an indietitle before, I think. Lethal League, bunch of WadgetEye games, Stardew Valley, Undertale, Oxenfree, Don't Starve. I couldn't even imagine that small teams can pull off things like these.

I can code, I even work as a programmer, but watching indie scene made me sit in awe. Like, damn, how do I make something like this. Guess I'll try Ludum Dare

>>173913756
You must be 18 or older to browse this site.

>>173913689
Nothing but nintendo stuff inspires bokudev.

>>173913418
no

>>173913427
Cool!

>>173913689
Gay men inspire me thats why Bokube is so gay.

>>173913756
>>173913804

>>173913047
Make a game about a loli that can't draw and justify your bad art

>>173913926
But I thought you were an alt-right nazi.

>>173914096
>>173913926
clearly not the dev.

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I just realized that long ago I implemented support for animations on wall destruction, but never really tested it. I made some simple particles and it's a lot better now. Stones need some friction though.

>>173914129
says who

>>173913418
jesus how tick are you.
if you going to rip off the Nintendo art style at least some some of their level design too, one of the best things about nintendo games is how they introduce new game mechanics in the form of the simplest possible version of the puzzle in a safe space. not a shit ton of enemies and mazes with giant billboards that has some scribbles on them

>>173914189
Those are some nice super missiles m8

>>173914189
Nice Terraria clone.

>>173914189
Sweet as always.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMggqenxuZc

>>173914267
its literally just
>concentrated training wheels
>failure option but no real danger
>removing the training wheels with danger

I'm your clone.

>>173912718
>no lewd stuff
Well, there goes three days of work

>>173914596
>implying you had anything in the first place

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>>173914189
I've always wanted laser nipples

IMMA MAKE A HALO CLONE AND NOBODY CAN STOP ME

>>173914596
Loli is fucking disgusting but you know you don't have to host on itch?

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>>173914805
>Loli is fucking disgusting

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https://soundcloud.com/cesque

does anybody need some reasonably priced music in whatever style you want? and/or does anybody have any constructive criticism for my music?

>>173911721
>no webm section
fake and gay

>>173914932
What are your rates? I might need something like this soon, and your music is great.
Are you okay with having your work in an h-game?

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>>173914681
Do you prefer it over arm-long laser dick?
I wish I had gif of that.

>>173914189
The aspergers in me doesn't like being looked at when he shoots upward

>>173913287
>egg catch
PETA won't be pleased about this

>Enemies can shoot me now.
Damn, I didn't realise they were so many before.

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Is it bad practice to copy a sprite in general form, but make it your own? Different hair/clothes/everything.

I feel like it's kind of shitty and cheap, but at the same time there are only so many ways you can draw a small pixel art character.

Pic somewhat related, although not what I'm looking to copy. Just a similar size/style.

>>173915439
Bad form among developers or among potential customers? If the former, fuck yes. If the latter, it's a crapshoot.

>>173915439
That's how I ended up making my new character sprite initially. It isn't cheap if you understand the style enough to then make more sprites off of it.

>>173915439
>tracing a sprite meant for a 160 x 144 screen in 2017
just stop

>>173915439
I just noticed, does Red have tits?

>>173915197
really impressive

did you model those ships?

>>173915184
i was aiming for $30 for a single track of a few minutes, but all depends on what you'd like.

h-games are fine - it means i get to play some to get inspiration...

>>173915607
Developers. Say then you were making a game in a similar size/style to Pokemon (just to use the above character as an example). How would you go about making your character then? There are only so many pixels to work with.Would you make your character look worse for the sake of not being the same shape as Red there?

>>173915184
>h-game
POST YOUR PROGRESS!!

>>173915184
link to your porn game / dev blog

>>173915650
What if you use similar animation timing but redrawn images?

>>173914932
I like your stuff man

Gonna favorite you so I can get in touch later

how do i tap the undertale and homestuck communities where people will literally throw music at me? i dont want to pay someone.

>>173916429
be a part of those communities?
analyze and reverse engineer what hs and undertale did well and build your own cancerous fanbase?

>>173916601
so like the reverse of what gogem is doing

Hey guys I need help with GM1.4

I want a 2D sidescroller with a dash function like the megaman x series. Tap Dash button, dash for a while then stop automatically. But the alarm function isn´t working:

Here is my relevant code:

create event:grav=0.2;
hsp = 0;
vsp =0;
jumpspeed = 4;
movespeed = 4;
dashspeed = 10;
candash = false;
alarm[1] = room_speed*3;

step event:
key_right = keyboard_check(vk_right);
key_left = -keyboard_check(vk_left);
key_jump = keyboard_check(vk_space);
move = key_left + key_right;

if (keyboard_check_pressed(ord('A'))&&(candash==false))
{candash=true;}

if (candash == true)
{
grav=0.1;
movespeed=10;
if(vsp<15) {vsp +=grav;}
}

if (candash == false){
movespeed =4;
grav=0.2;
if (vsp<10) {vsp +=grav;}
}
hsp = move*movespeed;


Alarm event: candash=false;

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newfag here
who is gogem and why he is so bad and evil?

>>173916429
Toby was apart of the modding scene for a bit.
You need to acquire a fanbase.
and the shamelessly clone a niche but cult-loved game

>>173916863
his persona is intentionally contrarian and offensive
he has received more some minor success so shitposters are jealous

>>173916023
Holy christ this post. As though Red's sprite is some platonic ideal from which any deviation eschews perfection. If I wanted to make a game that looked the same as Pokemon Red but different then I would rip off Red's sprite, but I wouldn't set out with that initial goal because that's fucking stupid. It's one thing if you somehow coincidentally wind up with a sprite that's extremely similar to another due to limited dimensions, but it is entirely another thing to use that sprite as a reference and then claim that similarity was inevitable not because you were using it as a reference, but because of limited dimensions. If I'm a big fan of Frank Quietly or Sam Keith and some of their style inevitably ends up in my work because it inspired me then that's fine, but if I skip learning the fundamentals of illustration and anatomy and just pull up some of their illustrations to copy because "that's the style I want" then it's substantially less forgivable.

Develop your own style or come up with excuses for copying old GBC sprites, I really couldn't give less of a fuck because any with your attitude is unlikely to produce anything of value either way.

>>173916995
>minor success
so successful he makes less than min wage

>>173916429
pander shamelessly
>fan art
>casual references to community in-jokes and appropriate positive responses to similar trash
>an inoffensive internet persona
>reposting and reblogging community stuff (with a reference to your requests near the bottom etc)
>make sure your game falls into the 'zelda' 'mother' 'pokemon' or to a lesser extent 'Yume Nikki' group of videogames

basically don the mask of cancer until you are the cancer.
Expect this process to be draining on your creativity and crippling to deving and ultimately pointless as targeting fanbases doesn't really work in practice and its far more effective to just make game and then see what people offer

>>173916812
same anon.

Here is the code on pastebin with syntax highlight:

https://pastebin.com/2xVAxizP

my problem is that after I press dash, the character just stays on dashspeed.

>>173916812
1. you never set your alarm ever again, it just runs once then never again
2. why would you want to stop your dash periodically like this, independently of key presses, making the player have to adapt to some kind of arbitrary global timer
you should read up on how alarms actually work because what's in your head right now is probably disconnected from reality

>>173916863
is there an infamous agdg dev wiki? i would like to read articles on gogem, rotatedev, gwendev, etc.

whatever happened to gwendev? they get chased off?

>>173917154
so successful that he is one of the known personalities here

i don't want to be part of the gogem defense team. i wouldn't trade places with him. he's gone down a pretty bad path. BUT! if you can't see the success he has here you are blind

>>173917345
>wikis
this is an oral tradition, friend

is gwendev gwyndev? diest is still around, posted last week. https://michaelvandiest.itch.io/

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Decided to go with new tutorial UI that appear at the bottom of the screen to teach the player the controls during these first four tutorial levels instead of my shitty drawings.

>>173917304
but if I set my alarm in step doesn´t it just reload everytime I do something?

And for 2. I want my dash like this https://youtu.be/wd2NqblSmIY?t=13m51s

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>>173917379

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>>173917598
>new

nice meme

remember when gogem got into a huge fight over rng?

>>173917852
His detective game idea is still my favorite argument hole hes dug

>>173918024
screencaps?

favorite font?

>>173917810
dont think he meant new as in literally a new idea, but yeah its pretty uncanny
>>173918127
Youd have to dig through the archive.
"Infinite evidence" is the key phrase id start with.

>>173918193
>>173917810
>>173917598
Why is the bullying bokudev a meme over nintendo shit hes already admitted like 100 times he loves nintendo games and captain toad whats the harm in that?

>>173918193
>Infinite evidence
i can tell this is gonna be great already

any godot examples on wall jump? i can't figure out this kinematicbody2d shit

>>173918308
Usually people:
a)draw inspiration from multiple sources
b)have things they want to change about their sources of inspiration

>>173917740
>but if I set my alarm in step doesn´t it just reload everytime I do something?
this is what you have conditions for
take a look at that line you have in your code over there
if you BOTH press the A key AND candash is false, then you set candash to true
that occurs exactly once, because after this frame where it occurred pressing A won't do shit - why? candash is already true, second condition isn't fulfilled
guess where you could boot up your automatically counting down alarm that switches candash to false and makes it possible to trigger the condition again?

>>173917304
same anon again. Just set alarm on step and it works, funny. Thank you for that!

Anyone know, how I can gamemaker know that button is pressed and the mechanic will only work if it is pressed again and not just pressed down all the time?

>>173918308
The bullying, atleast mine is in vain that hell see the faults and try to improve. Because his launch day is not going to be great.

>>173918462
thank you for your answer anon. I just set alarm on step and now it works, also my question: >>173918539
kinda answered itself because it does like I want.

Another question is that:

key_right = keyboard_check(vk_right);
key_left = -keyboard_check(vk_left);
key_jump = keyboard_check(vk_space);
move = key_left + key_right;
hsp = move*movespeed;

is this a good solution for movement? I want to implement a wall jump next time. I just got this from the gamemaker tutorial. If it isn´t a good solution how can I improve it ?

>>173917115
Calm down, captain autism. It was just a question. I'm not saying ripping the sprite in its entirety, but the general form. if you're making a game in the same style of Pokemon and want a similar sized character, what do you do? When working with a larger size, obviously there are a million different wants to draw a character facing you. You only have so many places to put a pixel with a character that small though. It's either going to be incredibly similar or not look right at all.

>>173917598
>right stick

REEEEEEEEEEEEEE MOVEMENT SHOULD BE LEFT STICK YOU FUCKING RETARD

>>173917598
Are you really too lazy to change the text based on whether or not they're using a controller?

crabs in a bucket

>>173919121
I don't see any crabs leaving the bucket

>>173919082
He literally can't code an options menu

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Working on the village from the assets i made in the previous thread.

I need more clutter, but can't for the life of me figure out some good random shit to throw around the scene.

i'm learning c# because i want to be a big boy and use a real language, but gml is so much easier that I'm tempted to just say fuck it and go with gamemaker.

i just want to make video games, man.

>>173919403
Add a plum tree

>>173918782
separating input picking from main logic (so using shit like key_right, key_left, etc. instead of just directly putting in keyboard_check everywhere) is a good concept that should eventually allow you to implement changeable controls without much pain

however, tying your horizontal speed pretty much directly with user input like that is likely something you'll eventually want to change
you'll want to change horizontal speed like that only when player should be able to, so for example not during the first part of the wall jump
to save yourself from having a metric fuckton of conditions this you could for example have a variable like "can_move" that would control whether or not player's input should be directly translated to character's horizontal speed - then in the ascending part of the wall jump set it to 0 just to set it to 1 later on
a con of an approach like this is that you have to be careful with disabling/enabling these variables in order to avoid bugs
also google "gamemaker studio state machine"

>>173919459
learn c# but also write stuff with gamemaker. best of both worlds. no reason to stick to just one

>>173919403
unf

>>173919565
sounds great! thank you !

>>173919403
some cobblestone roads would fill in nicely.

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>>173919403
hay bales, wheelbarrows, chairs, people, tents in the main road for trade posts or whatever

just look at pictures of medieval villages and see what they got goin on my man

>>173916995
Fuck off gogem.

2d or 3d?

>>173920498
2d gameplay
3d graphix

>>173920543
aka bokube

>>173920543
>the worst of both worlds
Where's your game?

>>173916995
>Gogem
>Successful
Even if he was, I dislike him because he's an attention whoring, faggot weirdo.

>>173920619
>implying 2.5d isn't the true masterrace
pleb

>>173917379
>so successful that he is one of the known personalities here
What the fuck?
That's not the result of success that's the result of badgering agdg everyday for like 4 or 5 years.

Fuck. Off. Gogem.

Name one 2D graphics 3D gameplay game.

>>173920775
Doom

>>173920775
isometrics?

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Mostly progress on dialogue elements; NPCs now save their last known dialogue string whenever it's updated, so that you don't have to sit through Mission-intro dialogue every time you load the level. I've also got the system for conditional dialogue working; for example, Brenda-Mae now has separate dialogue strings for when you've been assigned the quest, and for every new bag you find, as well as one for completion (which triggers the spawning of the reward).

Also, collectible items are in place, as visible with the feed bags.

The biggest trick here is that I hadn't considered that a collectible item doesn't actually have two states (collected and uncollected), it potentially has three (not yet spawned, uncollected, and collected). I've got no way of remembering that the reward was SPAWNED but not collected, since until now all collectibles have merely existed in the world or else been transient. So I'll have to refactor that system a little bit for collectibles.

>>173920818
It has 3D graphics.

>>173920704
I fucking love billboarding in video games

>>173920886
It also has 2D graphics

>bokube didn't quit agdg when he was told to like a year ago
No sympathy.

>>173920775
>>173920608

>>173920942
/agdg/ is literally devving the game for him though.

>>173920858
Every time I visit /agdg/ your game gets better and better, anon.

>>173913418
It's like a lot of people are saying bokudev, you are over thinking the tutorial stages as big stages.

Just a straight shot pushing one of those spike blocks along killing one of those flying enemies before you reach the goal is sufficient for the entirety of the whole level. One player character, one enemy, one mechanic. Try that before added all sorts of signs and notes and flair.

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Is there anyone here making strategy games? Seems like all the games posted here are all about physical movements.

>>173920996
Then why is everyone constantly bitching at him for not listening to them?

>>173920924
it doesn't though, the whole "doom is 2d" thing is a meme based on a misunderstanding of how the doom engine works. it's fair to say that it isn't 3D in the same sense that a modern 3D game is, but it's still rendering 3D map data (vector-based heightmaps)

>>173921169
He does listen eventually after 50 posts saying the same thing, think of bokudev as one of those "twitch plays pokemon" bots.

>>173921169
Iv seen him do half of the things agdg requests. He picks and chooses feedback really.

>>173921169
You just get off the fucking boat from leddit? He does listen it just takes a while

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----[ Recap Complete ]----

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Read me: pastebin.com/QA047M2e
Recap archive: dropbox.com/sh/icm5ng2zs8p24uh/AACC61OsXzCgl6-9Vdwb4sRAa
Scores archive: pastebin.com/AmFmLeAy

-------- FEEDBACK
Notice something wrong with your entry, score, or anything else? Let me know and I'll look into it.

>>173920996
All I see is autistic screeching.

>>173921169
>>173917598
>>173913418
No worries everyone Iv gotten rid of the diagrams and will be replacing them with this cleaner text UI promps for these tutorial levels. I will be making these tutorial levels much easier as well you're right that I made them a bit more difficult when they need to be baby EZ.

>>173921132
I am making one but it's in the back burner for now.
Well, technically it's closer to a Creeper World clone than an actual strategy game with units and such.

>>173921289
>>173921316
>>173921342
>he listens after we scream at him enough
You guys are faggots, seriously.

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>>173913418
Hopefully nobody cares if I list gamepad and PC controls together but in a clean way. I can't code sorry.

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>tfw haven't recapped in a month

i'm a lazy piece of shit

here's some progress though

>>173921628
No one is making you post here.

>>173921642
>I can't code
Then how have you come so far with your game?

>>173921642
>using a button to change your text.

Wow you really can't program? You're visibly showing people you're lack of programming skills.

>>173921713
He brags on in the discord everyday about his spaghetti code and stolen code from Russian tutorials or something.

>>173921642
>I can't code sorry
I've been pretty supportive of you in these threads most of the time but this is the dumbest excuse I've heard in a while

>>173921713
it's a testament to asset store's power

>>173920858
Your game looks fun but I won't play it because I hate the setting and that stupid hillybilly MC.

>>173921642
MUCH better

>>173921642
I like gamepad and controller inputs listed together. Especially if interchangeable, since having two inputs per command is also something KB users like to have and you can piggyback on that by letting them use a second KB binding to replace the controller binding.

>>173921687
Was that supposed to be a comeback?

>>173921713
A pushing blocks game isn't exactly a hard thing to program m8.

>>173921864
I'd say it's sufficiently nontrivial that it requires some level of skill.

>>173921807
Show us the Unity Store assets that are making his game functional or shut up nodev.

>>173921642
>I can't code sorry
What a shitty excuse. How are you not embarrassed to say shit like this? I hope your game fails. You don't deserve success.

>>173921905
Same. The anons most hung up on boku though are nodevs who have never made a game. They are very opinionated about boku and his game because they are certain they could do better (they can't).

>>173921682
I don't recall you, but that's a very nice game.

>>173922059
Why so rabid?

>>173921682
Hate to be a fuckin' faggot but your water is basically blue your dirt path.

>>173922148
>How are you not embarrassed to say shit like this?
Toby fox did it first, or atleast recently.
Also check his twitter, he has no shame/common sense.

>>173922148
He's literally telling you what you want to hear because he knows your vagina is rammed to the brim with sand and he would rather say "sorry I guess I just suck" then further piss you off by ignoring you. Catch a clue.

>>173922148
it's a humblebrag of "look at how good would i be if i actually could do the thing xDDD" type

>>173921905
It is very trivial.

>>173922203
That's ok, I'll try to post more often

>>173922253
They look similar but they aren't the same rocks. I tried a more solid blue without the texture but it looked bland.

>>173912557
bash

>>173922148
Hey, I can't code either, and I tell people that all the time

>>173922429
How salty does your brain have to be to come to this conclusion?

You nodevs seriously need help.

>>173912706
is everything about this setup funny or do you only post the funny parts? because it seems like the physics are almost inherently hilarious
after your sword fighting game you should use it again for a slapstick-comedy-focused game

>>173922263
>Toby fox did it first, or atleast recently.
I remember when he whined about people datamining Undertale and gave the excuse that he didn't know enough about programming to implement encryption.

>>173913545
holy shit I didn't even realize there were prompts until you said that

>>173922429
I don't think that's it, I think he just believes learning programming is too hard for him to do, which is bullshit because programming is easy to learn for the most part

>>173922492
>tfw I can't do it

>>173922963
Learning to program well takes a lifetime or more.

>>173921642
Are the controls at least customizable?

>>173922963
>which is bullshit because programming is easy to learn for the most part
it's a meme propagated by salty coders without art who are dangerously close to the point of unironically posting ">tfw no artist" just like /r9k/ posts ">tfw no gf"
grass is greener on the other side

>>173922263
Wait, so the entirety of Undertale was made using fucking drag and drop?

>>173923303
No, Toby admitted to being absolutely awful at coding, hence the 900 or so case smitch that got floated around

>lookup Undertale
>"well, programming is easy"
>lookup Banished
>"hm, programming is fucking hard"

>>173923009
>Learning to program well
You're here to make something functional, jesus christ. Everything you need to make a decent game can be learned in 6 months to a year of reasonably dedicated practice, after which you can easily learn as you go.

Please join the gelatinous cube jam, I should have progress to post tomorrow but I'm lonely.

>tfw no artist gf

>>173923463
OK good, you scared the shit out of me for a second.

>>173923303
I doubt it, but he probably doesn't know much about programming beyond applying examples written by other people

>>173923009
wrong

>>173923552
I agree, programming can be challenging depending on what you're coding but as skill itself it isn't hard to pick up

>>173923615
I want to but I need to come up with an idea first

>>173923615
Can I enter with a girl-shaped cube?

>>173923615
When is it?

>>173923716
>beyond applying examples written by other people
This is where I am at with my programming skills and it's fucking awful. How do I move past the "copy-paste code" roadblock I'm stuck at?

>>173923941
SICP

>>173923862
RIGHT NOW
https://itch.io/jam/agdg-gelatinous-cube-jam

>>173923723
Sure as long as she's gelatinous and cubic.

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Post ancient progress from your oldest projects to remind yourself how far your skills have come.

I did this in 2014.

>>173924096
What if she's shaped like a round cube?

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behold the skelebomb

>>173924265
Then loli jam would be more appropriate for you.

>>173924329
>happy go lucky skelly cant wait to start his day
>just killing him
you monster

Finally finished my scenegraph and restored rendering capabilities. Now I'm going to work on the input manager. After that I'll add support for cameras, renderstates and lights in the scenegraph and start working on the game proper. Frustum culling via bvh whenever.

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>>173924183
coming up on a year ago

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>>173924329
>oh he meant skelebomb as in "he bombed a skeleton"
>well that's mislea-

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>>173923073
Yes. Once I bang my head against the wall and figure out how to program options for controls, sound/music sliders, and basic graphics settings options. Trying to find an already made asset or tutorial somewhere.

>>173924329
Nice Cortex Command clone.

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Making some new enemies, any ideas?

>>173924602
I am absolutely perplexed by how you managed to make this while claiming to be such a shit programmer.

If you can make a screenshot like that how the fuck are you incapable of making a basic options menu?

>>173924742
pixel shit

>>173924742
Drop the nu-male artstyle.

>>173924743
That stuff is harder than coding gameplay to me desu idk man no bully I just have autistic determination to make game even with 0 coding skills.

>>173924743
You don't need to know programming to make games you silly enginenodev.

>>173924950
>to make game even with 0 coding skills.
you should really pick up UE4 then.
Mayhem/Dixie dev got alot more done and faster.

>>173922768

i only post the funny parts. my goal is to make a self contained physics system that lends itself to creativity and high skill ceilings. when i post dumb shit like this its more to infer potential.

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>>173924426
it's true, I'm a monster

>>173924442
Aw shit man, I remember seeing you posting when I first posted Dungeon Break last May or so!

>>173924530
Haha yep

>>173924607
Oh shit I almost forgot all about Cortex Command. I haven't played that game in years. My friends and I use to make mods for it in high school. Good times.

>>173913418
>not posting a demo of the tutorial for us to test and getting reactions that way

>>173913418
>>173925354

This. If you are actually serious about getting feedback on it and not just looking for attention then throw up the tutorial room and find out for real.

>>173925338
Resident Evil dev aka Dungeon Break dev aka Underpants survival dev is now starting another fucking game
You need to learn to actually finish your stuff.

>>173924442
i actually think i remember this
>>173924742
if you're sticking with the artstyle, they don't look too bad. maybe experiment with some different shades of all the colours you've used, maybe it'll stand out a bit more. people round here hate that shit though

>>173925582
dont get attached to games here.
I learned my lesson with eye contact.

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>>173925582
you're tellin' me

Pro-strat: cancel death animations by killing the meatball afterwards

Or just kill it first

>>173923618
only artist gf i ever had was crazy but also great in bed

dont work with your SO

>>173923941
The way I did it was by not using copied code until I understood exactly how that code works. I read through it, looked syntax and keywords up, etc. I'll still look for examples of how to code something if I'm unsure, but whenever I do I always study it until I grasp why it works, at least on a basic level. Doing that helps you build a mental "toolbox" of techniques for solving problems in programming.

Reading up on data structures, etc. (stuff like linked lists, hash maps, and so on) helps too; just knowing how those things work can give you insight about how to figure out, on your own, how to code a particular feature. The same goes for the manual/reference/API of whatever engine or frameworks you're using, since sometimes just being aware of the classes/methods/functions/etc. offered by it/them can give you big clues about what your options are for what you're trying to code.

>>173925969
Drop this game and the boring underpants one, finish the 3D resident evil clone and go back to Dungeon Break later which was by far your best game.

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>>173925103
I'm in too deep with unity to the point where I spent a few years in college learning how to use the engine, (but not code) I dont want to start from 0 again with UE4 at least till I'm done with Bokube maybe.

>>173925354
>>173925554
Give me a few days like 1 or 2 more I'm working on a new public demo with all of this stuff.

>>173926173
>dont work with your SO
truer words have never been spoken

>>173926414
Then just put the game out already.
This is spending years on an PPG-maker game-tier depressing.

>>173926604
wat

>>173926414
>I spent a few years in college learning how to use the engine
What the fuck.
Unity takes like 1 month to learn.

Also the wording of the tutorial box is terrible.

>>173924819
>>173924942
This is the best I can come up with with my "skills". I keep trying to rework it though.

>>173925775
Alright. I do remember getting much more positive feedback with an older style (but it would have been way too time consuming to make)

>>173926707
That game that no matter how much work you put into it is still gonna be just a mediocre game.

Simply put, its a waste of time at this point.

>>173926939
That's not how improvement works, anon.

Also nice "I don't like thing" posting. A++ suggest you shit on more games whose genre you don't like lol

>>173924743
>>173924950
Honestly, that makes sense. A lot of basic things like GUIs and serialization are a pain in the ass when you don't have much experience while gameplay is a lot more intuitive.

>>173926939
I think it could be a good game if he just polishes it a lot more. Although it also depends how good the level design is, and I haven't paid enough attention to his webms to know if the level design is generally good or not.

>>173926939
It's not a mediocre game but he's taking way too fucking long to make it and always fails at the most basic things.

>>173927051
>That's not how improvement works
it is when youre bolting on thing after thing to a shaky base.

But whatever, just dismiss any honest opinion as shitposting because its harsh.
>>173927171
His biggest plague is just clarity which is affecting many other things.
>>173927192
its a $1 game to me.

>>173926847
Try working on a larger scale and look up as many different styles as possible so that you're not limiting yourself to stale SuperBrothers meme style. Its got to the point where the reduction of detail and simplification of design is just absurd.

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>>173927280
Nah your opinion is fine but you seem blinded by it to the point where you can't see how it would be attractive to people who aren't you.

Though you're just saying "it's shit" rather than giving critical feedback so your posts are worse than useless.

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>>173927364
watch this

>>173927280
I agree with you.

At the end of the day, no matter how much he polishes it, or how good the level design is, it's a cute little puzzle game with cubes. It's sales are limited significantly by that, both in price and in it's potential audience.

>>173927564
Fuck, Donglords heading towards kino-tier style

>>173927554
>rather than giving critical feedback so your posts are worse than useless.
Ive been telling him thing after thing for what feels like years.
any response with "clarity" is probably me. And no, I can see it objectively. Hell get less critical people buying it, but hell be lucky to break a few k sales.

>>173927280
If it's long enough I'd see it at $5, even $10 if it's 50 hours' worth of puzzles.

>>173927554
Anon, it's a puzzle game. Regardless of your opinion on Bokube, those just don't sell that well.

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Made some stand-ins for my chars until I get actual char art for each of the chars in the game. It was liberating to be allowed to make crappy art.

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>>173927114
Yeah I want to do a kickstarter soon and get $2000 to throw a programmer who is able to code the stuff I can't so I can finish the game faster and focus on the gameplay and art!

>>173927192
>>173927171
Hopefully ether way there will be people who find the game cute enough to give me at least 5,000 copies sold. I'm not too picky.

>>173927280
Oh really? hehe iv had people tell me in the discord I should charge $15 since its a 3D game with good art polish.


>>173927914
Alright lets play the guessing game now screen cap it and then for histories sake when I'm done with Bokube later this year compare the copies sold. Maybe even guess the kickstarter as well this will be fun.

>>173927914
What's worse is that it fails as a puzzle game. Too high execution. I'd say in terms of content it's actually doing pretty good. The issues are all more fundamental

>>173928016
>$2000 for a programmer to finish
must be a lot of desperate devs here. that would only buy a few weeks of competent devtime

>>173928016
> I should charge $15 since its a 3D game with good art polish.
god no, stop listening to discord please, theyre sabotaging you whether intentionally or unintentionally.

I may be critical of you, but $5 is the more realistic pricing you should strongly consider. Put it on as for 1 or 3 for the usual steam sales.

>>173928016
Nobody will buy your shit if its not under 5 bucks you fucking idiot. Have fun taking 5 years to finish this game and then selling 0 copies.

>>173928346
Shut the fuck up retard, I'm tired of your retarded bad on purpose advice you give out to devs here.

>>173928346
>>173928505

Not the dev but game like that, even if it only had a couple of hours of content, would easily sell for 10-15usd. I understand some games cannot and should not be sold for more than 5 but this constant devaluing of games that legitimately can make that money is going to end up doing more harm than good in the end.

>>173916429
>4/13 today
neat

>>173928598
No, he's gonna get compared to Nintendo. And unfortunately he doesnt have a premium game to warrant the $15.
Im thinking exactly like your average steam user. Quick impressions of games and exactly what you jump to for "yeah id buy it".

$5 is the safest bet.
$10 would be a gamble.

>>173928598
And you think a puzzle game with a simple but cute artstyle is going to sell at $15?

Fucking Undertale is not even $15. Stardew is $15. Risk of Rain is $15. $15 is like the upper echelon of solo indie games. If he puts it up for $15 it's gonna sell like shit. Even $10 would be a risk.

>>173928346
>>173928016

It should honestly be 19.99 with the amount of polish, 3D art, and content iv seen through this year of its development. Anyone telling you to sell for less than 15 bucks is probably trying to make you undersell.

You can reduce price of your game if there is that MUCH of a backlash which I doubt it for a game like this that could draw a fanbase of people that love it regardless for the nintendo/cute style it banks on.

You can't raise a price however. Don't go lower than 14.99 bokudev these poorfags are trying to gimp your success. Even your goal of 5000 copies is great at that price

>>173928802
Notice how this anon says compare you to nintendo when the comparison game captain toad sold for 49.99 on release, you could imagine an indie offering at 14.99 would make sense.

Regardless of how you see yourself with amateurism this isn't even your average agdg/amateur game.

>>173928802
$15 is far from premium you idiot, it's the typical price for indie games that aren't meme short shit.

>>173928948
>>173928995

>comparing 2D pixel shit with good 3D.

>>173928802
This is exactly what should happen. Bokube gets compared to nintendo for having nintendo-like art and gameplay but is cheaper by a large margin but not indie trash-bin price quality.

>>173928948
You have zero understanding of basic supply and demand, your usual pixelshit platformer costs 0.02 cents because not only it's low effort but it's also competing with the other billions of low effort pixelshit platformers.
A trashbin price like $5 is not going to attract people who aren't interested in puzzle games, all it will do is cheapen your game's image.

>>173928972
>It should honestly be 19.99 with the amount of polish, 3D art, and content iv seen through this year of its development

One of the largest mistakes you can make as a dev is overvaluing your game from the amount of work you put into it.
Its fucked but your end price is a fraction of a fraction of what it should be in an ideal world. Im just telling you what m opinion and im sure many others are as a consumer.
>>173928995
$15 is a really off-putting price, your game really has to be special for that. And the last indie game to do that for me was Bastion even though i bought that for 10

>>173929178
On top of that it is "Nintendo" but available for PC gamers. The accessibility alone would is a strong point.

>>173929318
I've paid $30 for indie games before. That's the 'upper tier' for me.

>>173929368
>That's the 'upper tier' for me.
Thats really rare AAA games to me.
Like Metro, Dark Souls, Bioshock, anno etc.

All indie games must pay the saturation tax unless you want to gamble with confidence.

>>173929518
Nah, I pay $50-60 for those.

>>173929178
>Good 3D
They're fucking cubes, anon. His style is cute and consistent, but they're fucking cubes. It's not the first indie game to adopt a cute, colorful, and simple artstyle. It's not gonna knock anyone's socks off.

>>173929548
>I pay $50-60 for those.
Id pay that for devs i really love like Croteam. Thats a really trusting price.

>>173929639
Yar, that's why I'm picky. I still pay for those titles if I'm confident in them.

Are we valuing 2D pixel shit games on the same level of 3D ones? Its almost as if you fucks here have no idea about prices of 3D indie games since you spend so much time fucking around with 2D ones.

>>173929518
Are you buying indie games after 1-2 years of them being released? AAA games are 50-60 dollars on release you fucking idiot.
>>173929610
Nintendo-like art will knock the socks of nintendo loving fans that want more 3D polished indie games on PC.

bokube is worth at least $25 you cretins

when do you give up on a project that just isn't working?

>>173929518
If you're barely willing to pay $30 for AAA games that have were massively successful and well reviewed, then I'm not sure your opinion on the cost of games is really valid, since you're definitely in a minority of gamers there. You can look at the launch sales of any of those games and see that people are plenty willing to pay $60 for games like that.

I'm not even that big into puzzle games and I think $15 is pretty fair for Bokube.

>>173929740
>Only $25
More like $40. What are you, poor?

>>173929773
1) Make prototype that makes you and everyone go "wow"
2) See it through to the end even if you're feeling depressed somewhere in the middle

>>173928016
This game should be a fucking dollar anon.

>>173929740
I unironically agree. There hasn't been a polished 3d puzzle game with Boku's level of content in years. People comparing it to 2d shit and tetris are delusional. This could be the next Lolo

>>173929721
>Are we valuing 2D pixel shit games on the same level of 3D ones?
yes and no.
>Are you buying indie games after 1-2 years of them being released?
Unless they really grab me, which most dont, yeah. Its mostly just priorities and my stupidly large backlog though. It doesnt change my opinion though. I set a price in my head for any game i see
>>173929813
>, since you're definitely in a minority of gamers there.
I'd say im even less critical than most of /v/.

Game devs have completely skewed perspectives on what a game is worth. Don't listen to them.

>tfw bokube will have over 5000 copies sold at 15 a pop I will be sitting here fapping to salty nodevs angery they stuck to making pixelshit while an autistic retard pulled off cubes in 3D.

The future of agdg is full of kek I can't wait.

>>173930124
This.
>there are people who unironically believe that bokube can possibly be worth more than $5

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>>173930124
>Game devs have completely skewed perspectives on what a game is worth. Don't listen to them.
Players too.

There is what people think is logical, and then there are psychological realities that completely break that.

>>173929920
And I'd consider /v/ to -definitely- be a minority in most of the views and opinions expressed there. That being said, I generally don't pay launch prices for games either, unless they're irresistible to me (Breath of the Wild, Fallout 4).

But if we're talking sheer numbers, the amount of people who have no problem slapping down $60 for every new game that tickles their fancy has to massively outweigh people like you and I, otherwise the cost of new games would've dropped by now.

>>173930215
>>173930164
>>173929852
Holy fucking shit the price ranges of what everybody has been guessing are all over the fucking place how is he suppose to know whats correct.

>>173930215
Nice AGDG crab-bucketing

>>173930302
Take the average obviously

>>173928016
15 with steam sales dropping it to 10 and below are fine.

>>173930291
What?
/v/ are your average consumer?
Show them bokube and most would say $1 or pass.
>otherwise the cost of new games would've dropped by now.
Oh please, dont be dense. AAA weaseled in an indirect $80 through the normalization of season passes

>>173930124
>>173930215
The normal consumer has a completely skewed idea of what a game is worth.

>>173930831
>every game is special and worth $100
"no"

>>173930563
>I'd consider /v/ to -definitely- be a minority
>WHAT THEY'RE YOUR AVERAGE CONSUMER
Are we just not reading today, or...?

>>173930907
We're in agreement.

>>173930928
Are you implying /v/ are a minority in video game sales? Because my thinking is just a tad less extreme than theirs, and theyre a major force in sales, so theres no minority about it.

>>173930907
>everyone in this thread that thinks bokube should be worth more than 1-5 dollars thinks all games should be 100

fucking idiot.

Last two digits of this post determines the price of bokube.

>>173931298
>every game is special and as long as you put in months-year work, theyre automatically worth ~$20

"no"

>>173931298
Yes, that is correct. Yes, you are indeed an idiot.

>>173931441
Not pixel shit games thats for sure.

3D you fags will never understand is worth more its more time consuming, harder to make, harder to present, and worth more than your pixel shit nu-male 8bit platformer will ever be.

>>173931298
GAMES SHOULD BE FREE CANEM ET CIRCUMCISIONS FOR DA PLEBS

>>173931582
time invested != end-price
Swallow this pill right now or learn the hard way.

>>173929773
This is my cycle:
>Starts to "think" about a new game(aka stealing idea from other games)
>abandon current game idea
>starts doing stuff for the new game while sometimes reusing some content I made for my last unfinished game
>at best, I make some drawings, write some stories, some gameplay docs, make some models on Blender and stuff. At worst, I do literally nothing but write some few lines about it
>Work on it for a while, then I start to lose interest around the 2% completion mark at best

And the cycle continues. It never ends, I've been like that for years. IIRC, my "project" went this road:
1.a FF6 clone with RPG maker
2.a FF6 + the Elder Scrolls clone with RPG maker
3.a fighting game with the characters from the previous project plus ripping off some anime as well
4.a dancing simulator using the previous characters
5.a dancing action-rpg platformer simulator
6.an action-rpg platformer simulator ripping off DMC
7.a fighting game again, it didn't even begin
8.a Tactics clone using all the stuff from the other projects
9.a Peace Walker + FF12 clone
10.a Resident Evil clone
11.a cooking game
12.a Super Mario World clone
13.a Super Mario World + Megaman clone
14.a Megaman clone only now
15.a Megaman + Touhou clone(Funnily enough, someone else with actual talent had the same idea and made it happen)
16.a Megaman + Chrono Trigger clone
17.this one was literally just a horrible Megaman fanfiction, I didn't even bother changing their names this time. It was so bad.

It keeps going on, but you get the idea. I never finish absolutely anything. All I managed to accomplish is to learn some programming languages while drawing waifus and Coldsteel-tier characters.
Strive to be better people, /agdg/. Do not be like me. It isn't the project that isn't working. It is you. It is always you. Never blame the project when you can blame yourself. That is all.

>>173931582
Resource used has nothing to do with product worth.

>>173931750
but what if it just actually isn't working?

Like your engine wasn't designed for what you're doing and you've been hacking it together for a while and ignoring the bugs hoping to fix them later.

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Hello I hate [genre] and I think your game, an entry into [genre] is SHIT and you should kill yourself.

Furthermore because [genre] is shit, your game is barely worth $1 so you should go ahead and sell it at that price point.

>>173932145
Why nuthug this hard?

>>173932145
Ill take nothing anyone has said for $200, alex

>>173932171
What's that $20 adjusted to modern dollars though?

>>173932251
Of course they didn't say it, because they've got a mental hang up that prevents them from being so lucid.

And then once they got past the mental hang up they'd realize how ridiculous they were being.

>>1739322535
5 bucks on steam.

>>173932329
Ill take, misinterpreting the entire conversation because you dont agree, for $600.

>>173932253
Like 37 bucks maybe

>>173932253
>>173932389

>>173932509
Funny joke shame it's wrong but also not funny

>>173932585
It's not funny but it's how it is.

>>173932067
I think you should fix the bugs now, before you end up unable to fix them.
Restarting everything using another engine would be just as much work and maybe not even worth it, I think.

>>173932439
He's right though, the anon suggesting $5 is a retard who takes /v/ whining seriously and thinks his personal opinion is fact.

>>173932892
>>>/reddit/

>>173932741
>>173932464
>>173932509
According to this site ( https://www.measuringworth.com/uscompare/relativevalue.php):

~$36.30

>>173932892
>the anon suggesting $5 is a retard who takes /v/ whining seriously and thinks his personal opinion is fact.
nah, i know im right on bokube.
Guess well wait for release day.

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>>173932892
How much did you tip your pizza guy last night?

>>173933017
but you're never right about anything

>>173932971
The measures used aren't very good, though. For example, salaries have not increased at the same rate as entertainment, yet the utilitary value of entertainment is a function of salary.

>>173930563
Making it $1 would be stupid.

Lets say he makes it $1. In a room full of 10 people you would need all 10 people interested enough in the actual game to spend it to make 10 dollars. Does the game have enough mass interest for that? Probably not.

@$10 you only need 1 person in that room of 10 interested enough to buy it to make that same 10 dollars. It's more likely that atleast 1, or even 2 people would be interested enough to buy it out of that 10 people.

And a 50% sale going from $10 to $5 is much more attractive and seen as a better deal than going from $1 to .50c

Holy shit, it's not worth $30 you idiots. Not even $15.

Have you not noticed how deflated indie game prices are nowadays? Most people don't even buy them - they just get them for nothing via humble bundle.

Would not price the game above $10.

>>173933049
I live in a country where companies pay decent wages, tipping is not a requirement here.

>>173933148
Refer to my earlier post where i said $5 to be safe and $10 as a gamble.

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Stick to gamedev guys. Your amateur marketing skills are shit.

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Haven't posted in a bit but I've been making a lot of progress. Currently in the process of adding a new map with a new game mode: cargo escort. Each team has a freighter that goes between the center of the map and their base hauling resources. Either defend your own or destroy the enemy team's. Here's the green team's hauler filling up at the center of the map.

>>173933152
Are you stuck in the early 10's? Prices are already bouncing back up and both Steam and Humble abandoned the ultra cheapo sales long ago.
$5 is absolutely retard-tier for a game like Bokube and would likely result in LESS sales.

It's like you guys don't even play games.

>>173933152
It's worth what people are willing to pay.
I could be convinced into $25 if it was smartly marketed.

I will release my game for free
how bout dat

>>173933538
We need more people who remember what games are about, so that would be fantastic. Protip: games are about fun, not profit.

>$30
>looks like shit
>looks like shit compared to Bokube
>4,500 sales
>didn't even advertise at all

http://store.steampowered.com/app/353540/

>>173933538
genius

>>173932171
I'm willing to pay $60 for a game, but only if it has the following:
-Over 1000 hours worth of singleplayer content
-absolutely clean gameplay, no bugs
-stylized 3D graphics, no pixelshit or dudebro realistic graphic whoring
-no walking simulators or even simulators at all. I don't want to learn how to drive a truck or be a goat
-no memes
-it isn't made by EA, Ubisoft, Gearbox or Konami
-no censorship
-it is PC or Nintendo exclusive
-it is fun

It is all I'm asking. I never managed to find one game that could fit it all, tho.

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>>173933401
> lower prices result in LESS sales

>>173933538
I will pay people to play my game.

>>173933538
That's it? Fuckin normie.
My game is going to be free and open source.

>>173933597
>not zoomed out to space
>no 50 things moving at once
>protag stands out even if he clashes
>nice environments for the most part

not bad

>>173933702
>All I want is everything

Found your problem, anon.

>>173933736
Welcome to 'your game is so lowly priced that your inconfidence in it spreads directly to the consumers who immediately perceive it as a trash game and so don't buy it because 'how could this game be so cheap if it wasn't really terrible''.

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>>173933350
Zoomed out view of the new map. My fighter is the tiny green dot in the center, and the cargo hauler is in there too for scale. The white ring is your radar radius, past that and you won't see allies/enemies. I tried to design it with a mix of more dense geometry areas for fighter-fighter fights, and more wide-open areas in the center for capital ship fights. Hope people like it when I test.

>>173933702
>-Over 1000 hours worth of singleplayer content
So nothing aside from autism simulators?
-no...simulators at all.
Oh okay, nothing then.