/agdg/ - Amateur Game Development General

Reminder that there's no good Godot games

>gogem's loli jam ends tomorrow
>his '''''''''game''''''''' still has no gameplay and no art
>his '''''''''game''''''''' is also the only entry
lmao

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>>173868250
i changed the character and i'm also going to make my level backgrounds in blender now after the mess i made of trying to draw perspective

I want to C++ dev, is SFML any good?

>>173868374
Affirmative

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>>173868359
here is the test i made of a blender background

>>173868359
>trying to draw perspective
When did you try?

>>173868359
>top down pixel art game
>perspective
You're doing it wrong.

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>>173868481
here
>>173868490
well that's what this general told me to do and i'm in too deep to stop now

>>173868540
I'm assuming you realize that doing it this way you're forced into static screens. Also, to maintain the perspective you are forced to implement a system for scaling your game objects depending on where they are, which you don't appear to be doing.

>inb4 I won't do that
Then might as well drop the perspective nonsense

>>173868540
Your first mistake was listening to /agdg/

>>173868540
>>173868454
>>173868691
This. If you put perspective, you also have to make the player get smaller or bigger depending on its position. Otherwise there's no point in having the perspective at all and it will just look bad.

>>173868343
actually loli jam ends on the 15th.

>>173868786
>go to googumproduce.com
>last post was 14 days ago
Why don't you make a devlog on your loli game?
Also, why is it called loli sim if you don't play as a loli?

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>>173868691
>I'm assuming you realize that doing it this way you're forced into static screens
yes
>Also, to maintain the perspective you are forced to implement a system for scaling your game objects depending on where they are, which you don't appear to be doing.
like anyone will notice or care
>>173868778
>you also have to make the player get smaller or bigger depending on its position.
nah it'll be fine, isometric games used perspective without having scaling characters
>Otherwise there's no point in having the perspective at all and it will just look bad.
the screen will look nice and the character won't i guess

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>>173868930
>isometric
>perspective
Anon please

>>173868930
The only way you would not notice is if the perspective change is small, in which case the no point in doing it. The example you posted is pre-rendered 3D. Don't be a pretentious fuccboi and either double-down or drop it.

>>173868997
the characters are isometric, the backgrounds aren't

just look at the baldur's gate screenshot i posted, it's a 3D render with perspective

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>>173868930
>>173869068
Pick one and stick with it
Isometric and perspective are complete opposites

>>173868930
>isometric games used perspective
Isometric is a projection. It's different from perspective.

The lack of scaling could *maybe* be ok if you're being very conservative with it but at that point you might as well just use a projection like isometric. You can quickly run into issues like this, for instance if you have a staircase or ladder close to the viewpoint and a similar staircase or ladder far away, the size of your character relative to this object can vary greatly. Since it's something the character interacts with directly it certainly matters. There's also the fact that you'd have to walk diagonal in order to walk straight in the context of your backgrounds.

Blender can render in different projection modes so why don't you just use those?

Just tried to post this image >>173869094

>>173868927
because agdg demanded i post progress only in the thread or it doesnt count as progress. (source: https://boards.fireden.net/vg/thread/172496196/#172565405)
because the simulation genre names the thing being simulated, not the actor on the simulation (eg Sim City not Sim Mayor).

>>173868454
>>173868540
Hey man I just want to say that I like the look of your game. Sometime's agdg gives poor advice and sometimes the are right but I'm glad you are still working on it and I'm looking forward to playing it. even though you copied Dong Lord's sprites

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>>173869068
>>173869094
See the difference?

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>>173869051
>The example you posted is pre-rendered 3D.
and i just said that i was switching to prerendered 3D
>>173868454
>Don't be a pretentious fuccboi and either double-down or drop it.
no fuck you i don't have to do this
>>173869094
the backgrounds are obviously not isometric and the characters obviously are
>>173869180
> You can quickly run into issues like this, for instance if you have a staircase or ladder close to the viewpoint and a similar staircase or ladder far away, the size of your character relative to this object can vary greatly. Since it's something the character interacts with directly it certainly matters.
if it's a staircase then it will just look a different size
>There's also the fact that you'd have to walk diagonal in order to walk straight in the context of your backgrounds.
have you looked at what it actually looks like
>Blender can render in different projection modes so why don't you just use those?
but we're talking about resizing the character as it moves through the room, why would projection help this

i'm using gamemaker
>>173869262
ty man
>>173869305
yeah but the character is waaaaaay smaller than that

also if i don't use perspective autists tell me it looks like shit, no one is seriously going to complain hurr durr my character doesn't resize

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>>173869397
>the backgrounds are obviously not isometric
Okay, I'm done. Get some glasses

>>173869397
>and i just said that i was switching to prerendered 3D
So far you've just been using blender to make the same shitty backgrounds, which could be hand made if you understood perspective. That's barely prerendered 3D.

>no one is seriously going to complain
No one can complain if no one plays it

>>173869397
>but we're talking about resizing the character as it moves through the room, why would projection help this
Because you don't want to resize the character, and using something like isometric would mean you wouldn't have to.

Reminder, if you make a sequel look at what the fans liked/disliked about the old game and ignore what people want in the new game.

>>173868250
1000 posts and 250 images you double nigger

>>173869397
Better dye your hair pink and start boasting about how progressive your game is going against the oppressive norms of perspective.

Here's why your approach is retarded: in the picture you posted the viewer estimates the bottom and top entrances to be approximately the same height due to, you know, the fucking perspective, but once you'd walk to the top it would be 2x your size, where as at the bottom it would be 10x. Now, -I F- you used that inconsistency as a gameplay mechanic, it would be excusable, but now you're just being a piece of shit with your 'nobody will notice'.

>>173869651
The bump limit is 750 posts

>>173869460
>159 filename
what the fuck

the background in baldur's gate 2 isn't isometric what am i missing
>>173869478
>So far you've just been using blender to make the same shitty backgrounds, which could be hand made if you understood perspective.
firstly fuck off

secondly it's easier and faster to use blender which is why i switched
>>173869479
>using something like isometric would mean you wouldn't have to.
but then people will complain that it has shitty perspective

you people don't know what you want
>>173869703
oh wow gamergate is here to trigger me
>but once you'd walk to the top it would be 2x your size, where as at the bottom it would be 10x.
from where in your ass are you pulling these numbers
> but now you're just being a piece of shit with your 'nobody will notice'.
actually the character isn't going to walk to the bottom of the room as the exits are at the bottom of the top wall and top of the bottom wall so they won't notice because they won't get that far

if you were talking about the character movement being off that would be excusable but so far you're taloking about hypothetical whattaboutery

>>173869859
How can you fail this hard at the fundamentals of art?

>>173869859
>it's easier and faster to use blender
Because you're an awful artist
I could understand if you were doing complex background such as cities or forests. But you're just doing rectangles.

compiling in visual studio opens up the ue4 project browser, instead of the project itself
what the fuck did i break

>>173869909
>How can you fail this hard at the fundamentals of art?
i'm not an artist i'm a gamedev
>>173869926
>I could understand if you were doing complex background such as cities or forests. But you're just doing rectangles.
every game using the same perspective uses prerendered backgrounds anyway

>>173869990
>i'm not an artist i'm a gamedev
>but i will still argue about perspective for 100 more posts even though multiple people are telling me i'm wrong

Listen to those people, for fucks sake.

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>>173868250
Made a cool zone based shader
Want to eventually have it like creep in starcraft or natural selection

>>173869990
>every game using the same perspective uses prerendered backgrounds anyway
First, no
Second, they do it as an artistic choice, not because they can't do it by hand.

>>173870034
>but i will still argue about perspective for 100 more posts even though multiple people are telling me i'm wrong
i am arguing against it because you're telling me to either do something i can't do (resize the character ingame) or scrap all the work that you fucks told me to do
>>173870068
>Second, they do it as an artistic choice, not because they can't do it by hand.
i can do it it's just easier to do it this way

just like technically age of empires could have been hand drawn but it's easier to render shit

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>>173869859

>>173870136
>i can do it it's just easier to do it this way
You just proved you can't >>173869397 >173868359

>>173869953
nevermind, i accidentally the launch params

>>173870149
yeah but that looks like shit
>>173870272
shut up

do you lot actually think the character looks bad moving around
>>173868359
or are you just talking about hypotheticals here

>>173870136
>i am arguing against it because you're telling me to either do something i can't do
Why not? Are you this bad? It should be a simple fix.
>or scrap all the work that you fucks told me to do
Nobody told you to do anything, plenty of people told you you're wrong though.

>>173870348
>do you lot actually think the character looks bad moving around
Well, it fits with the theme. Everything looks like shit.

>>173869859
>hypothetical whattaboutery
>if your character moves on a position on the screen
Are you trying to become a meme?

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>>173869397
>nothing except the main path is vanishing
what is this fucking heresy?

>>173870348
My point is that you can use 3D models to have isometric orthographic graphics
Also
>that looks like shit
because your game doesn't? lmao

>>173870136
>>173869397

I don't see a big deal with the perspective both the new and old version look fine to me and I doubt the average gamer will care that much. Just focus on making good game play man.

>>173867154
SquareDev
Are you sure the green tile works? Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but I don't see when it consumes two steps.

>>173870348
There is a lot of shit tier art flying around, you are not exception. Nobody would care if your "art" wasn't Journey ripoff.

>>173811749
Buried in options.
>Tools > Options > Source Code > Code Formatting > C# Source Code
>C# Format tab then Edit button
It's a pain to do though since it's set up as a long list of checkbox/drop down lists.

>>173870454
Yeah, check at 0:04, it consumes 1 step when you're about to land, and another one after you land on it.

>>173870390
>Why not? Are you this bad? It should be a simple fix.
no you're telling me to resize the character ingame
>Nobody told you to do anything, plenty of people told you you're wrong though.
i don't mean now i mean before
>>173870403
>Well, it fits with the theme. Everything looks like shit.
you probably hate everything anyway
>>173870407
moving to a position you might not even be able to go

i think that's the fix, not allowing the player to go places where this perespective shit happens
>>173870415
what the fuck are you talking about
>>173870424
>My point is that you can use 3D models to have isometric orthographic graphics
and it looks like shit
>because your game doesn't? lmao
well i guess it doesn't matter what i do then does it :)
>>173870507
you angry slav

>>173870348
>shut up
great argument

>>173870623
telling me that i'm shit at art when i've already admitted that i'm shit at art only warrants a "shut up" from me

>>173870584
is this autism?

>>173870702
it's replying to all the people who have replied to me

>>173870584
>no you're telling me to resize the character ingame
I know what i'm telling you, again, how is this hard?
>i don't mean now i mean before
Nobody gives a fuck man, what do you think that if someone told me "anon, your game is shit, go make it completely different" i'd listen to any of that bollocks? If you got roped into some idiotic scheme on a kambodian slave devving imageboard, then you're the only one to blame, you dumbass. Man up, grow a pair and start listening to costructive critique.

>>173870676
>I can do this
>you already showed you can't
>shut up
wew

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>>173870584
>what the fuck are you talking about
this you inbred
HOW do you function?

>>173870676
In the time you've spent shitposting and being convinced that your art being shit doesn't matter, you could have opened a book and started studying.
Too bad you don't have any priorities.

>>173870758
So yes

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learning animations is fun
>game play never ever

>>173870806
m8, just stop now.
The second you start insulting, no matter whos right, you still lost.

>>173868359
Also
>character moves under that structure on the right
>shadow disappears
>but the character himself doesn't receive the shadow
It's shit

>>173870584
>>173870676
>>173870702
>>173870758

you should ignore those haters man, it just makes you look bad. I am looking forward to your game btw.

>>173870904
Also the character's shadow is a circle while everything is projected towards a direction.

>>173870909
>Samefagging
Wew lads this is painful to watch

>>173870909
>reeee stop listening to constructive criticism!
>bad goy don't make a good game. only shit games allowed!

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Since I decided to make textures for my game, I ordered a tablet yesterday and got it today, and this is the first texture I made with it. Way easier than using a mouse

>>173870763
>I know what i'm telling you, again, how is this hard?
because it's fucking gamemaker
>If you got roped into some idiotic scheme on a kambodian slave devving imageboard, then you're the only one to blame, you dumbass. Man up, grow a pair and start listening to costructive critique.
the last group of people said they were giving me constructive criticism too
>>173870782
some of it uses perspective with vanishing points and shit, just not all of it
>>173870806
some of it uses perspective
>>173870809
rly makes you think
>>173870850
exactly what a nodev would say
>>173870904
now that's a nitpick if i ever saw one
>>173870909
ty man
>>173870972
most AAA games don't even have shadows for their characters you hack
>>173870975
that guy isn't even me
>>173870994
it's not constructive criticism you angry racist

>>173870878
I didn't enter any competition

>>173871002
looking nice

maybe u can reuse the wood texture for a wooden chest or something

>>173870584
If you have a hard time doing perspectives you should take a look at zelda a link to the past or binding of isaac.

>>173871046
>reeee how dare you give me constructive criticism
>I just want to make shit games, how is being constructive going to help me make shit games???
>NOT CONSTRUCITVE!!11

>>173871002
That's pretty good my man.

>>173871062
I wouldn't use the same one, but I'd use the same workflow.

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>>173871046
>some of it uses perspective with vanishing points and shit, just not all of it
yes, that's called not being able to do it
>some of it uses anatomy with proportions and shit, just not all of it

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>>173871046
>some of it uses perspective with vanishing points and shit, just not all of it
but that's not how perspective works for fuck's sake you either do it or you don't
and in your case you definitely shouldn't, because you obviously don't even know how to pull off fake perspective

>>173871046
>it's not constructive criticism you angry racist

Oh you're a tumblrdev, please fuck off and never come back

>>173871089
>If you have a hard time doing perspectives you should take a look at zelda a link to the past or binding of isaac.
but those games look like shit
>>173871092
i cannot change the character size ingame and i am going to be using blender to make perspective

i am also not going to let the character go places where it looks like shit
>>173871184
>>173871187
so i'm going to use 3D now so i don't have to learn perspective, what's the issue here
>>173871216
angry angry racist

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>tfw the only interesting thing about my game is an asset
>I'm still going to sell it anyway
I'm a hack.

>>173871249
>I want an artstyle
>I don't want to actually make that artstyle work
lel

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>>173871046
Flying into an autistic rage over criticism (right or not) and writing 10 angry replies per post is not a recipe for success as a game dev, familam.
You need to learn not to take criticism and shitposting personally or at least be able to take a deep breath and count to ten before deciding who to respond to and how.

You're just making a fool out of yourself right now and you're not going to get anything out of it other than a sore bum and a bad reputation. If you took this sort of approach to PR on twitter or steam you would turn away customers.

>>173871249
>so i don't have to learn perspective,
But I thought you said you can do perspective, now you say you'd have to learn it?
>what's the issue here
You're changing the artistic direction based on your incompetence instead of it being a choice.

>>173871249
Okay, I see, you're a troll. Please leave
>>/reddit/

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cannot wait for monster girl gamu!

>>173869180
>>173869397
You guys are both idiots. On the one hand it's kinda amusing to see people try to argue about things that you don't understand in the slightest. On the other hand, the things you make are grotesque.

One day [namefaggot PHI] it would be nice for you to show someone who has an understanding of what a projection is as being completely apart from an understanding of linear perspective.

>>173871046
>because it's fucking gamemaker
image_xscale/image_yscale
>the last group of people said they were giving me constructive criticism too
perspective doesn't work that way. Your perspective is all over the place. You don't even know how to construct an argument since you post an image from Baldurs gate where they use orthographic projection and just move the camera on one plane.

Just fucking draw your scene in full perspective and see how better it would look like.

>>173871376
What's so special about it?

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>>173870975
I'm not him if that's what you are implying
>>173870994
He tried to fix it but wasn't skilled enough, so at this point it's not helpful any more.

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>>173871376
fuck off

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Little storytime from the last thread, didn't realize it was about to die when I wrote my post.

Doesn't fit into one post, so here are the links:

>>173865527
>>173865726
>>173866032
>>173866407
>>173871149

How much should an artist charge for a pretty static UI with about 6 buttons with unpushed and pushed states?

>>173871521
500$ per button

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Every time you bloody idiots try to talk about art in here.

>>173871454
nothing he's literally advertising that shitheap here and on /v/ periodically with that gay quote
you know what to do about blatant ad spam, right?

>>173871505
Thanks, anon!

>>173871326
>I don't want to actually make that artstyle work
i'm going to let blender work for me
>>173871331
>Flying into an autistic rage over criticism (right or not) and writing 10 angry replies per post is not a recipe for success as a game dev, familam.
desu i just enjoy (you)s
>You're just making a fool out of yourself right now and you're not going to get anything out of it other than a sore bum and a bad reputation.
i'm getting (you)s
>>173871368
>But I thought you said you can do perspective, now you say you'd have to learn it?
learn to do it well
>You're changing the artistic direction based on your incompetence instead of it being a choice.
i'm not changing it at all, i'm changing the way in which i make it
>>173871375
angry angry racist
>>173871447
>image_xscale/image_yscale
i've already got a solution to this, i'm going to restrict the player's movement
>Your perspective is all over the place.
hence why i'm switching to blender
>>173871468
>He tried to fix it but wasn't skilled enough
i just said i'm going to use blender now, what's the issue here

>>173871454
great monster girls and memes! better than Monster Musume!

>>173871505
The sad thing about these stories that at the end, they will still think that you are the idiot.

>>173871551
Someone's butthurt

>>173871580
>>173871454
He even posted it in an ARMS thread on fucking /v/
>>>/v/373722239
This is pathetic

>>173869397
This looks like shit and you should kill yourself

>>173871580
you cannot report for expression for opinion!

>>173871725
so this is the power of "constructive criticism"

>>173871505
>"well, can't you simply write a morphing algorithm which automatically generates the necessary frames from the keyframes I gave you?" - "For 2d?!" - "Why not, my friends do the same thing in 3d!"

I have 2 different source codes that do this, generating 2d inbetweens from keyframes


one is based on some polish guy's phd, it basically turns the individual pixels into fluid atoms and uses some fluid flow simulation physics to move from one keyframe to the other, and it can also do things like face morph like make a furry from a normal man and a normal tiger

and the other one is some other shit but does the same basic stuff

>>173871637
Ah so you're baiting for replies. Gotcha.
kys
>i've already got a solution to this, i'm going to restrict the player's movement
another change to cover your incompetence. wow

>>173871637
>desu i just enjoy (you)s

You do realize that being a turbofaggot like this is going to make people hate you and your game right?

>>173871802
>another change to cover your incompetence
it's a stylistic choice
>>173871832
you seem to hate me and my game anyway

>>173871648
>memes
Nevermind.

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Perspective.

>2d platformer
how to make this genre fresh again?

>>173871867
>it's a stylistic choice
It's not. You've literally said that it's a solution so you don't have to scale the player's sprite

>>173871779
Sometimes you need to realize that your work is shit and scrap it.

Star over from the begining, sorry if I hurt your feelings but it's better this way and you'll learn more from it.

>>173871909
Use a furry MC

>>173871870
do not knock it until you have tried it!

>>173870149
Don't care what the other people said, but this looks really great.

Can you tell me how did you do that? And would it be hard for a beginer?

>>173871637
>>He tried to fix it but wasn't skilled enough
>i just said i'm going to use blender now, what's the issue here
I didn't mean to insult you. I was trying to say that if people are still complaining about the new style's perspective then it's not fixed yet but you can't appeal to everyone so don't worry about it.

>>173871909
you can't
>>173871924
>You've literally said that it's a solution so you don't have to scale the player's sprite
it's both
>>173871950
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>>173871987
it's from unity man, reverse image search

>>173871898
Is that a girl or a boy?

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>>173871698
The best thing is, he was absolutely certain that the suggested "morphing" should be much easier in 2D than in 3D, since there's one less dimension to worry about. Keep in mind, we're were using old school hand-painted sprite art, not vector animations.

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>>173872016
>I was trying to say that if people are still complaining about the new style's perspective
the perspective in both the old and the new is the same, i was using that more for the new colour scheme which no one else seems to have noticed
>>173871898
spoiler that shit

>>173871867
>you seem to hate me and my game anyway

I'm not involved in that little bitchfight about your art, I'm just trying to give you some friendly advice about how to handle yourself online.
That said, you're definitely doing a top notch job at being an obnoxious faggot right now and I could definitely see myself hating you in the future.

>>173871969
Nah, memes completely break the immersion from me. And to be honest being better than monster musume no iru nichijou (assuming that's what you meant by monster musume) it's not a big merit in my opinion. Okayado's one page comics were way better. But if you like memes check this out: https://e-hentai.org/g/1045523/e418f6e0f4/
I wish we had more realistic monster girl games.

>>173872020
>no girlbros itt
also i'm not scrapping anything get fucked
>>173872156
>I'm just trying to give you some friendly advice about how to handle yourself online.
heh...tough guys like us...need to stick together...

*skates away on his heelys*

>>173872120
>spoiler that shit

You aren't spoilering the grotesque things that you're posting, like right there, so...

>>173871786
Sure, I know that morphing 2D between keyframes is not impossible. They key point was assuming that it's "simple" to do that automatically, like a couple hours work or so. And without defining areas in source and target frame manually I honestly can't imagine it looks that great. Do you happen to have a demo animation you could show?

>>173872246
so you admit that that furry thing is grotesque then

>>173868250
Why is 3D so hard? I can't even make character movement that feels good. I can't even stop the character from sliding down sloped terrain.

>>173872292
it looks okay for small differences between high res sprites

you know the old powerpoint "dissolve" transition? Or the ms paint spray tool? It was kinda like that, that swooshed.

>>173872373
2D is hard it's only natural 3D is harder

>>173869180
>It's different from perspective.
no, perspective is also a projection. 3d->2d. both of them.

>>173872308
If we're hiding things purely on the basis of people's complaints, I believe that the "I don't need perspective / I'm not hyper light drifter" guy's images receive a higher amount of negative responses versus the pixel art visual novel.

>>173872719
all publicity is good publicity

[United Airlines.mp4]

>>173872894
hiding things is not publicity

Would a Halo multiplayer clone (with all "original" assets) be a good idea?

>>173871184
Googum is a mangaka?

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>>173873224
>gearbox helped with the masterpiece that is halo ce

>>173873224
People play halo multiplayer because it's halo, not because it's good. Indie multiplayer only games are generally a bad idea since they almost never hit critical mass of players, but a multi-only game with gameplay as generic as halo is just a waste of your time.

>>173873373
wrong

people play halo because its good

t. someone who played every golden age shooter during it's prime

>>173873373
Halo 2 is some of the most fun I've had in a multiplayer game.

The series definitely got worse as time went on but I don't think you're correct. I think the more COD-like it got, the more generic it became.

>>173873224
el dewito and installation 01 say no, you shouldntp

>>173873278
yes http://googumproduce.com/comic

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>>173873472

>>173872652
not this shit again

>>173873521
i.e. "I am more nostalgic for Halo 2 than subsequent releases and thus more willing to admit to the faults of subsequent releases."

>>173873546
>i dont like faces
>proceeds to do a kaiji ripoff complete with full faces on everyone

Sometimes a think gaggs is a PHD students success at the first sentient shitposter

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how do i do movement communication and anticheat? in a multiplayer game?

Do I send the coordinates or the change to the coordinates?

Do I wait for the server to confirm if it's a valid move or can that come afterwards and have the player teleported back to the previous spot if it's not valid (including client checking)?

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>>173872120
listen I don't have time to dick around and line everything up perfectly with same relative angles and shit, but that picture makes me fucking sick and I'm not saying it because I want to be mean but because that what's happening when I look at it
if you think that's something people with overlook you have another think coming

>>173873672
>what is the progression of time

>>173873539
Installation 01 won't make it to release so that doesn't worry me.

>>173873726
are you doing this in 2D?
why the hell not just use 3D assets?
they are just simple cubes

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>>173873521
the halo trilogy is basically the back to the future of video games

>each game has minor faults but are objectively perfect

i had the wide variety of fun with halo i don't know why people look down on halo -- it is seen as a very normie basic bitch game some what like the uggs of games

but those people who call it that never played HUGEASS with those ghost in the shell robots or trolled kids on xbox live

>call some kid a faggot
>his mom hears this and yells at him
>he starts crying
good times

>>173873224
Make a Metroid Prime clone instead.

>>173873802
that's literally what i said i would do in the first ten posts of this thread but no one listened
>>173868454

>>173873796
>Installation 01 won't make it to release
Why do you say that?
They actually have permission and a full team. Mot to mention the inevitable patreon bux.

>>173873802
i can't use gamemaker

>>173873707
The only somewhat cheating-proof multiplayer solution is a completely dumb client which only sends input to the server, and ALL physics is handled by the server which then sends positions back to the client. Which is rarely done because that requires a lot of workload on the server, which is why there are cheats and hacks for almost all multiplayer games.

>>173873851
That was 2 hours ago, what do you have to show now?

>>173873854
Because 99.9% of indie games don't make it to release and it's even harder for fangames because you're not going to get paid.

>>173873827
You're confusing enjoying something as a child with objective perfection. You'd be in good company over on /v/.

>>173873908
You know theyve actually released stuff right? This isnt their first big project.

>>173873851
I just saw that, I haven't been following the thread

>>173873472
>>173873521
There's nothing at all special about halo multiplayer, other than that it is halo. You had fun with it because it was your generic arena shooter of choice, not because it did anything better or different from the dozen or so generic console shooters that were on the market during Halo's heyday.

Even if you released for free, there is no audience on the PC for a slow, generic arena shooter with a handful of weapon and vehicle types.

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>no matter how hard I try I can't get my head around even the simplest possible real-time multiplayer code with client prediction and server reconciliation
>literally just a square on the screen and I can't get it to move smoothly with no stutter

why am i so dumb, i spent two weeks on this and I don't feel any closer to having it solved

what sort of god would be content with having dumb people like me exist

>>173873904
i'm looking at images of great pyramid of giza now

>>173873961
Like what?

>>173873969
>>173873938
if thats what you think thats fine but

i think that there's room for a halo clone.

you guys are thinking small time

do you know how much BRS still play the free version of halo ce?

like at least 50

>>173874012
dumb blogposting frogposter

>>173871406
>One day [namefaggot PHI] it would be nice for you to show someone who has an understanding of what a projection is as being completely apart from an understanding of linear perspective.
I'm not sure what you're asking for exactly with this statement, but perspective is a type of projection. A projection is a a representation of higher-order multidimensional objects on a lower order multidimensional space. In this case we're talking about three dimensions represented on a 2D plane (your monitor). Any representation of 3D objects on your screen is a projection. Whether it's perspective, orthographic, isometric, dimetric, etc.

>>173874090
They were a mod team for a bit before starting 01.

>>173873903
Workload is not really much of a problem (yet), but the connection between the client and the server is kinda slow, and to speed that up I'd have to increase loop speed/tickrate, which would increase the workload a lot.

My dream is to make art so bad that it triggers artfags into remaking it for free.

>>173874180
yeahhh

>>173874309
you forgot your name gogem

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>>173874249

>>173874180
>2016
>With a great new community awareness of the project and a team with high hopes, Installation 01 was on track. Sadly, things didn't go as planned. The network API that the team used was a free verison of the full subscription-based package. Limited concurrent player count and limited calls that could be made across the server, the Installation 01 team had to make a costly decision. Using a new API that was a one time purchase and no limits, the team had to scrap everything they had of the game and start fresh. This lead to a good deal of wishful thinking, which helped them create a better foundation for the game. However, many team members were put off by this decision and decided to leave the project, causing development on the game to stall.

The wiki page for this game is just depressing.

>The topic of this article may not meet Wikipedia's general notability guideline.
Indeed.

>>173874309
Just make sure your game's models and textures can be changed easily with a mod.
And don't hard code any colors, maybe use a color palette image and read the colors from that, or a text file with color codes in it.
Now anyone can mod the art in your game and make it look less shit.

>>173874309
You mean every Bethesda game?

>>173874575
Id say beth games are more triggering to engine devs, and possibly animation friends.

>>173874536
>Unity 5
Well i spoke too soon.
It might be doa

>>173874240
Yeah that's what I was getting at. Many games use a combination where the physics are simulated by the client too (just so that you get smooth movement on the client-side) AND on the server (to block cheating by hacked clients). Then you synchronize both and reset the player to where the server says he really is, which is a pain in the ass to implement and inevitably leads to the good old rubberbanding effects when servers are shitty/overloaded or clients from overseas have awful ping.

Which is why most indies should just avoid genres like multiplayer FPS alltogether because they simply can't afford to provide the necessary resources for a decent experience. Or already fail at the netcode part to begin with.

>>173874853
It's a good thing my game isn't so precise then.
I just have a gridbased game and was wondering what would be the best course of action without annoying players too much while waiting for their character to move a square forward after pressing forward.

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>>173874536
So let me get this straight.

They wrote the ENTIRE GAME again from scratch just because they couldn't be bothered to pay a monthly subscription fee?

>>173874092
wtf is brs

brazillian reddit squad?

>>173875121
Presumably they're poorfags who couldn't afford the subscription. Allegedly there's more than 30 people in the team "from around the world", so reading between the lines, half of them are brazilians or something.

>>173874012
You are not dumb, you just have insufficient knowledge about the subject matter, and that is something which can be fixed with further research and experimenting.

>>173875394
watch who ur talking 2 kid i know personally know googum

>>173875515
sorry Michael Angelo

>>173875020
>without annoying players too much while waiting for their character to move a square forward after pressing forward

This shouldn't really be an issue with a "normal" ping. What's the biggest lag between input and reaction from server you're gonna get? 300ms? But sure, if you think that's already annoying (which it won't be unless it's an action game), go ahead and do movement on the client, and check now and then on the server if it's "legal". Also don't worry too much about hackers/cheaters if your game doesn't have the usual pvp which attracts that kind of faggots.

>>173875959
well that'd still mean you'd have to wait 300ms each time you want to move a square.

The most important thing I want to know is how to stop players from teleporting around going at any speed they want.

>tfw your local/world coordinate system starts bugging out when it hits negative values
what do

>>173875959
>the usual pvp which attracts that kind of faggots.
As though people aren't trying to cheat in games like Blood Bowl. Hell, people will cheat in cooperative games with strangers as long as they can hurt their teammates (for example: http://steamcommunity.com/gid/[g:1:4557445]/announcements/detail/483412829770332311).

>>173876142
fix it probably

>>173876142
stop using unsigned.

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A game where instead of you playing the game, the game plays you and you have to make the levels that get played

>>173876749
guild of dungeoneering?

>>173876749
>>173876782
That dungeon-creating tetris game that some guy is/was working on here.

Is it ok to make a shit* game as long as it motivates you and helps you learn?

* I don't mean technically, but conceptually, like, for instance A WWII simulator with dildo crafting mechanics and a Crimes of War system .

>>173876869
Oh he's Irish. I know that guy.

>>173877029
Yeah do whatever

>>173877029
if you aint hurting people i have no qualms :)

>>173877029
Are you little babies so used to being led by the hand everywhere that you have to ask this sort of question?

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>>173876186
i dont know how tho

>>173876198
the problem isnt the type
I have a chunking system in place and i need to convert world coordinates to local coordates pretty often
chunks are 10 x 10 so converting world coordinate [49, 0, 0] to local coordinates should result in [9, 0, 0]
this is easily done by hitting it with a modulo
it wont work in the negative range though, as world coordinate [-1, 0, 0] needs to result in [9, 0, 0]
what do

>>173877654
I'm unable to grasp how your coordinate system works. my brain is too simple.
Sorry. can't help you.

>>173872239
I like what you're trying to do anon. Keep up the good work. I'm considering doing something similar.

>>173877654
Properly convert it to the positive opposite of its coordinates and then convert it back to the negative equivalent (and no I'm not saying that's as simple as multiplying it by -1).

>>173877654
"%" is the remainder operator, not modulo.
Modulo's range is [0, n], remainder is [-n, n]

int mod(int a, int mod)
{
____return (a < 0) ? (a % mod + mod) : (a % mod);
}

>>173877654
>what do
So wait, are you trying to make this 2d? If so then the z shouldn't change.
Make the bottom left of your map start at (0,0,0), then you won't have any negative values to deal with?

>>173876117
google => gafferongames + networking

>>173877654
>>173878060
Poster of >>173878120 here
Also you should be aware that division is going to be more costly than multiplication. It only really matters if it's going to be happening many times per frame (like if you're using it during physics calculations), but it's something to consider.
https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms973852.aspx

>>173877654
>[-1, 0, 0] needs to result in [9, 0, 0]
So add 10 to it.

>>173877194
>>173877487
Good.

>>173877491
No, but asking is easy and it helps with motivation.

i'm seeing how this looks on youtube because i went into a below thread and saw people bitching about how the character is too small

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l27P6qK1G5E&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yARUhqPCjAw&feature=youtu.be

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>>173872206
>>>173822250
>Heya, it's me again! Now without spots!
>Better? Worse? Any tips on how the fucking I can do a smile or a hyena face in front view with so little pixels?

>>173877654
What engine are you working in

>>173879336
ue4

>>173873676
Practice art.

>>173879491
Can't help you then, sorry.

>>173878120
probably the easiest solution

itch.io/jam/agdg-gelatinous-cube-jam

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>>173869206
https://boards.fireden.net/vg/thread/172496196/#172564378

>function action_enactlawpropose
>function action_enactlawpropose2
>function action_editlawpropose
>function action_editlawpropose2

>>173879865
what? you dont make functions so good that they get sequels?

>>173879473
Thanks! Perfect idea!

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is this cute?

I hate texturing

>>173880025
Okay, that made me laugh, you win this time gogem

>>173871987

Step 1: You model all the things.
Step 2: You import the models to your game engine of choice.

>>173880161
Anon can you tell me how you managed to organize that into two steps? I'm baffled. Please share your wisdom.

>>173880140
Dude, you have 1.7 Mb unused webm space?
Up your fucking bitrate!

>>173880389
Yeah, dunno what happened there.

>>173873726
looks much better now

>"gogem.pro" has finally reached enough filters that he is now posting as "googumproduce.com"

Does it ever stop? I've seen him do this like 2-3 times since I've been here.

>>173880770
wouldnt you already have googumproduce.com filtered from when i was using it previously though?
>>173767885

>>173868343
>gogem's loli jam ends tomorrow
Wait are you serious?
So he's been posting progress on a loli jam game that he's not even going to submit to his own jam?

Let me guess, this is somehow a joke on us and not him failing yet again. We got "trolled".

>>173880770
>2-3 times

He used to do it weekly. I'm surprised he's been gogem.pro for so long.

>gogem DX
>gogem 100%
>googum

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>couldn't even come up with a name for my game
>now I need a name for my company

>>173869206
>because agdg demanded i post progress only in the thread or it doesnt count as progress
Since when do you listen to agdg gogem? Do you really think we're this stupid that you can just blame stupid things you do on us?

You can post regular progress to your blog and the thread. You're literally using agdg as an excuse to be a disjointed mess, no wonder you still can't get your label off the ground after 3 years of shilling.

>>173881149
>Since when do you listen to agdg gogem?
i recently decided to test if it was an effective method of destroying shitposters.

>>173881136
I love naming stuff. I wish I had a fucking band so I could name songs.

Give me some input and I'll throw some ideas at you.

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>>173873672
he traces faces and people can tell and it makes him feel dirty so he stopped
except he still does it for things like pic related

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>>173880389
fixed

>>173881337
What would you name your band though?

>>173881337
give me a name for a star sector clone

http://fractalsoftworks.com/

>>173881449
Sector Star

>>173881387
wouldnt surprise me 2bh

>>173877654
This is my fetish

>>173881487
trololol

I see a lot of people complain about not making progress, but dev time in game maker is short as fuck. What am I missing here?

>>173881410
Blacknoir Cafe

>>173881449
Evanescent Horizon.

>>173881009
I don't use filters.

>>173881042
>He used to do it weekly.
Actually you're right I seem to recall seeing a new spelling of gogem and googum and gogem.dx and all that shit and I always assumed it was multiple people impersonating gogem but with different names. I later realized it was him being a schizo. Then I learned how he has all kinds of other handles too like hogpen, pigpen, [yesdev], ryan jake lambourn. It's never just gogem or even googum he can't even stick to one version of spelling for this retarded word which he loves because it's the sound he makes when he's choking on kangaroo cock.

>>173881590
>Evanescent Horizon
Googling it shows me this:

[MLP SFM] The Never Ending Horizon - Evanescent Souls: Act 2 ...

but I guess if I make a game with that name it might show up first with my word order.

Still, the name could be better

>>173881590
>Blacknoir
>blackblack
at least understand the words you use

>>173881590
>What am I missing here?
Art

>>173881820
>implying there's anything wrong with blackblack
Are you racist or something?

>>173881825
>Art
Can confirm. Just spent one hour trying out some stuff in blender, only to scrap it all because it looks like shit.
I'm probably gonna say fuck it and make a game about mechs because I haven't made a single person.

>>173881261
I didn't ask for a tryhard comeback I asked a question.

Where in that post you linked is anyone telling you to keep your progress only to agdg?

>>173881793
http://www.thesaurus.com/
Get synonyms of whatever 2-3 words and get bananas recombining them until something sounds right.

>>173881820
Joke's on you, I'm European. And it'd be a blackface band, nigger.

>>173881825
Ooops, true. Is AGDG full of one man armies? I would expect some people partnering in a community.

>can't come up with a name for my upcoming project
>nvm not working on this

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>>173881387
This. Gogem without face tracing is a sight to behold but the people are slowly getting used to it. He was a fool to just suddenly draw a pretty face for that "game" he submitted to the lewdjam and think we wouldn't notice.

So anon, what'd you get done last night? What do you hope to get done tonight?

>>173881973
im not, i just dont have time to be making progress videos during a jam, baaaaaka

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>>173882127
>that "game" he submitted to the lewdjam
I hope the lolijam game he said he's going to submit in the next 48 hours is just as good
He won't submit it
Prepare for hilarious excuses

starting my dev journey today, got some unity tutorials queued up

Anyone here use playfab?

>>173882318
Good for you son.

help with godot, why does my 2d character keep bouncing of the ground even if stationary? the physics engine is trippy

>>173882225
is it true you're the only person planning to submit to your own jam? why are you doing that are you trying to make us sad for you?

What´s the best looking video game, /agdg/?

>>173882554
You know those kids who would try to start clubs but nobody wanted to join so they would set up a treefort and sit in it by themself believing they are the king and everyone is just jealous and will catch on eventually and come to bow and kiss his ring in the treefort. That's gogem's entire career.

>>173882691
not yours, mr shitposter

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>>173882691
Do pretty UE4 screenshots count as a video game?

Wasn't there a gelatinous cube jam?

>>173882691
Battlefront
Battlefield One
Uncharted 4
Horizon Zero Dawn

>>173882554
its not my jam, loli jam was decided by polls in the thread and also decided in the thread to take place April 1-15 (https://boards.fireden.net/vg/thread/169214552/#169221925)
then some fags went and made a fake itchio and changed the dates and outlawed loli from loli jam and generally caused confusion with their false flag so i have no idea which submissions are real or not other than my own.

>>173883005
t. pleb

>>173882691
define "best looking"

>>173882841
>Turn photos of a real clip into a 3d model and texturemap.
>render a still image of this model
I don't think this is what he meant.

>>173883179
Best art direction and execution.

>>173883101
>its not my jam
Keep telling yourself that when you're the only one promoting it and submitting to it.
>loli jam was decided by polls in the thread
For someone who spends his entire life here you are clueless.

>>173883263
persona 5 then

>>173881398

Is he a robot boy?

>>173883263
>Best art direction
that's completely subjective

>>173883351
>For someone who spends his entire life here you are clueless.
he's just playing stupid he knows loli jam was a shitpost and didn't win any polls. he's just a pedophile and was eager to push the shitposter narrative that the next jam was loli. now he's literally making a child porn simulator and it's due in 2 days. time to sit back and savor the ments to come.

>>173883263
Without getting into photorealism wank.
Id say Alan Wake is up there.

>>173883427
Not really. You can objectively measure it for example by looking at older games. The ones with really good art direction stood the test of time much better.

>game studio contacted me
>they want to hire me
>they are across the world from me

They are a relatively successful indie game studio and have several games out. Anyone here have any experience with game studios? Seriously considering dropping out of uni and taking it.

>>173883565
This didn't happen. Game studios avoid hiring people at all costs.

>>173883565
Howd they hear about you?

>>173883703
>what is turnover rate
Not that I believe anon, I think he's getting scammed.

>>173883551
But "best art direction" is still subjective. Someone will say that Battlefield 1 looks the best because he likes the realistic gritty art direction. Someone else will claim that Ori and The Blind Forest is the best because they prefer the fantasy/cartoony art the platformer has. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

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>>173883263
inside or abzu

>>173883703
well it did. They're a small 4 or 5 person studio. They want me to develop a tiny prototype to prove I can actually program.

>>173883745
I have a pretty good amount of followers on social media and they saw my stuff.

>>173883773
I thought so too at first but they emailed me from the email listed on their site, and from their official twitter page that has several thousand followers. Also the employees all have a pretty good social media presence and list the studio in their bio.

>>173883942
>under the water
>carry the water

>>173884109
What stuff have you done?

>They want me to develop a tiny prototype to prove I can actually program.
sounds fishy

>>173883942
>inside
Why are people falling for this game so hard.
Its babies first minimalism.

>>173884185
Hey faggot stop shitposting and get back to work on your child rape simulator so we can show it to the AUS gov. 2 days left nigger.

>>173884109
>They want me to develop a tiny prototype to prove I can actually program.
>they just want to get my tits out for a casting video, they're not actually going to fuck me
>>173884185
they're standing on top of the water you blind fuck

if you'd actually played this game you'd know that
>>173884204
it's good by vidya standards

>>173884262
it looks like he is making another menu simulator in unity
i bet Unity Technologies would be very interested to see what their engine is being used for

>>173884194
Ive made several free games that I've posted online.

>sounds fishy
pretty sure coding tests are common for programming jobs.

>>173884204
It's an art to sell mediocre looking game and call it "minimalism"

>>173884262
>advertise for me
>senators fapping to my game
>senators contributing to my patreon

>>173884204
It looks beautiful.
>Its babies first
Oh you're just a jealous little bitch nevermind.

>>173884398
>they just want to get my tits out for a casting video, they're not actually going to fuck me
they want me to clone a game and use the assets of said game. They want me to spend a couple days on it max

>>173884473
what should I make googs?

>>173884456
If they ask for the source code of the prototype, they're using you for free labor.

>>173884561
Not jealous at all, it was an okay game. But the things it does are painfully obvious.

>>173883565
I worked for a big "indie" studio in Japan.
And after I quit I've been looking for work, and getting some.
I wouldn't give up uni for that, specially if you're already half way.
Tell them no, and then you keep working on your own stuff and you will be able to go to a better place in the future.
There are literaly thousands of indie studios, but only a few that are truly successful, unless it's one of those with 500k+ unit sales, with a really great salary, then I would say no.

After uni, and if you have a decent porfolio, you can easily find work by yourself.

You can even apply to them again after uni.

Sorry if this seems like I'm rumbling, but I'm sort of not paying attention

>>173884425
>Unity will have the right in its sole discretion, and without prior notice to you, to suspend or disable your Unity Account or terminate the Agreement and/or your right or ability to access or use any of the Services
They make clauses like this specifically for users like gogem. Sometimes you need to just take your product out of the hands of a person ASAP without having to argue with them (because what they're doing is obviously wrong), so you make a clause allowing it. Every company does it.

https://unity3d.com/legal/terms-of-service

There are of course further obligations to not create illegal content (which child pornography is) but again they don't even need to cite that. They will just refer to their right in the TOS to disable his account and ban him from ever using Unity again.

It's a waste of resources anyway. He switched from Flash to Unity and is still making Flash games. He may as well pick up HTML5 because he's never made a "game" with any discernible physics or action needed. It's all just buttons and forms.

So, I've been thinking about making myself a small project and learn something along that is not Java, Java# or Python. Is it a good idea to use an engine or should I just start from a scratch? I always felt they are a bit too blockbuildy for my taste.

>>173884879
>Unity literally banning gogem from using their tools
MAKE IT SO

>>173884661
thing is, they provided a git repo that has the exact game they want me to clone, with the source code. So they could've just stolen from that git if they wanted free labour.

>>173884731
Their games have had several million downloads. Theyre a mobile game studio and have made about 5 games so far, all of which are good quality imo. Do you regret taking the job? whyd you quit? Also if anything goes wrong I can always come back and continue uni.

>>173884941
>cries to government
>cries to steam
>cries to enginedevs
is there any authority figure you wont get ignored by? lol

>>173884941
I'd you're learning the language as you go, block buildy can be good.

>>173881825
Why not befriend an artist? Seems easier than becoming one oneself.

>>173885140
I guess so, maybe im just being paranoid, I have the feeling quite a lot of people would not really think it an appropriate experience with the technology. I still have to choose one in the first place tho.

>>173885083
So they're just making you switch out assets for a project? That's more plain weird and less fishy.

At any rate, stay in school. Going back to uni after leaving is harder than you think, and unless they're paying above market price with benefits then it's not worth the risk. There will always be indie studios wanting credible talent, and you already have that but with a degree you'll be that much more attractive

your game is ½ the game mine is

>>173885083
>Their games have had several million downloads. Theyre a mobile game studio and have made about 5 games so far, all of which are good quality imo. Do you regret taking the job? whyd you quit? Also if anything goes wrong I can always come back and continue uni.

I don't regret it!
But I didn't quit uni for it. Salary and hours sucked, so I quit. Now I make more money working online for roughly 20 hours a week.

It really depends on how popular that studio is. If it's a name that you think will also open doors for you when you look for another job in the future, then go for it.

Beware that this probably won't be your last job, so always update your resume, and be aware that all companies in the end go broke.

Good luck.
(And don't post too many details here about that company)

Again, sorry for rambling.

>>173885595
½ of 0 is 0
;_;

>>173885595
My game is twice the game yours is

>>173885595

Well your game is minus -1 so my game is +1.

>>173885132
Something tells me you replied to the wrong post there jewcum.
>crying
Is that what calling a criminal pedophile a criminal pedophile is? Please stop pretending you're an edgy shocking figure who is offending everyone on 4chan you pathetic old man.

mario kart but on pc!

>>173885652
>jewcum
>calling others edgy
typical hypolcrite

>>173885595
Half of 0 is still 0. So yea you right.

>>173885391
C#/unity or C++/UE4. There are shitters on both sides but they're both just tools in a toolbox. Unity has more tutorials but UE4 is more visual.

>>173885132
hey aren't you that "gamedev" who made newgrounds slideshows about killing kids for attention and then got on the news and cried about how his troll friends didn't think he was cool enough?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2510991/Ryan-Jake-Lambourn-Sandy-Hook-video-game-Virginia-Tech-Rampage.html

yeah
that's you
guess what lead to that? someone "crying" about you making the game. don't you want more attention or are you just making a child rape "game" for fun?

>>173885501
They basically want me to recreate the game from scratch to see if I can. If I copy the repo, they'll obviously know. They aren't giving me any assets and I don't have to make any, since its just a test of programming.

>>173885656
Ok thanks for the advice! I know it wont be my last job, but I do think it would help me in the future by having it on my resume (I have 0 experience outside my personal projects). Also yes I'm trying to give as little information about the company as I can. Just looking for advice since I don't believe its a scam.