/rlg/ - Roguelike General

What a noble sacrifice.

Why did you guys let chei make the thread

How much damage does cleansing flame do at 27invocations compared to 20 and 15?

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>get Plain Gold Ring down to **
>phase behind rubble to heal and rebuff
>autopickup a pot, inventory letters shift
>'Z'ap destruction instead of healing

nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnggggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

What makes a good roguelike?

>>173790276
It doesn't do much more damage, I think. It scales roughly by your Invocation level, so you'll only be doing 7-12 more damage at max Invo compared to 20 and 15.

Hi, I just got killed my a Stone Giant I Trog granted me.

It was in Spider, the enemy Rupert was there, and I read a scroll of immolation before and the explosions did decent damage to him.

What made him kill me?

>>173791580
ASCII

>>173790276
2dpower
power = 10 + 7/6 * Invocations
50% more for evil monsters
https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=(10+%2B+(7%2F6)+*+x)++x+from+0+to+27

>>173792025
Hurting your own allies makes them go hostile

>>173788397
>On doing a full 15-rune run I had statueform, tornado, fire storm and a bunch of other skills.
>Not too bad, I say.
how
what fail rate
once you hit -6 aptitude (at skill level 11?) you need twice as much exp as a fucking scummy mummy to advance
I saw your chei gnoll of +15 int and I'd guess even then you were just barely casting high level spells consistently after getting pan exp

>>173792474
60int + wiz makes lvl 9 castable at around 16 skill

>>173792614
are you sure

>>173791580
quality is directly proportional to amount of content

guess what is the best roguelike

>>173792747
ADOM and Elona

>>173792614
Note that 16 skill is around 22skill on normal species

>>173792747
elona
slex

>>173792950
does anyone even play slex
whats even the differences between it and nethack

>>173794049
https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Slash%27EM_Extended

>>173790062
Thread quality scales with stats.

>>173792213
good to know ..
but it would be cool if enemy aoe makes enemies friendly too

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>>173794049
>does anyone even play slex

If CDDA wasn't ascii no one would call it a roguelike.

>>173795030
It'd be complicated to implement. In any case, monsters try to not hurt other monsters.

>>173798369
unreal world is like that any everyone calls it a roguelike

>>173790327
>not using inscriptions to control the inventory letters of all your devices
my staves of healing are alwas @uh and destruction is always @ud

oh you can climb up walls in cdda now.

a bit broken though, walls dont have proper flooring on the floor above, and zombies can climb up them somehow

>>173792186
w-wolframalpha-sama!?

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new dcss monster thoughts

>>173802623

looks more like a self portrait to me

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>>173802623

>>173802623
DICKU

at 14 skill, which does more damage, a +2 halberd or a +0 glaive, both of elec?

>>173805143
Just use the halberd until you're at mindelay for the glaive, retard.

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I'm so sorry.

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>six runes down, just cleared coc despite Xom turning me into a tree right when Antaeus showed up
>Boy, things are going really well! I bet I could 15-rune a chaos knight as long as nothing really bad happens!
>Happily tabbing away

67629 | Zig:11 | XOM: cast spell 'Ice Form'
67630 | Zig:11 | HP: 6/570 [reaper/scythe of slicing (41)]
67630 | Zig:11 | Mangled by a reaper

AYY FUCK, guess that's my fault for playing a non-undead race. Oh well, it was a fun run. I think all my good CK runs die to eventually getting transmuted into something useless in the middle of a dangerous situation. Thems the breaks.

>>173810275
>zig
fault

>>173810275
>Mi
Disgust

>>173810275
>67630 | Zig:11 | HP: 6/570 [reaper/scythe of slicing (41)]
>reaper/scythe of slicing (41)
Rip in piss

>>173810275
>MiCK
Play a SpCK like a real man

>>173810275
>Not MuCK
You deserve this.

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>>173810275
The problem is not Ice form, it's the fact you had 6 HP in Zig: 11 and didn't read blink at turn 6729, then cancellation, then heal wounds.

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First for Infra Arcana will never, ever be compiled.

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Didnt even notice i was attacking mara until he was dead since im just holding tab, remove qazlal this is so much fun

I was berserked actually, hence the 570 HP. I only had a couple harmless enemies remaining on the floor and figured I'd blow a useless potion to clean them up. I didn't want to worry about dying due to some bad rolls.

I don't doubt it was my fault though. Here's the dump if you want to laugh at my poor decision making.

https://pastebin.com/Dr060C8f

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>Xom grants you a minor favour
Thanks mr. xom!

>>173813784
Xom gave me the potion of exp just like that at the beginning of the game, i only took like 20, 30 turns max

>>173813962
For how long do you keep your starter chaos weapon?
I head it help with xom's mood or attitude or whatever, keeping him interested

>>173814432
Not worth it.
Xom's mood is going to be bad until you start getting stronger anyhow. And he won't abyss you until then either.

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>>173812323
*compiles IA*

>>173794049
it's at least worth playing for the novelty and a weird death. I've done that a double handful of times and had reasonable fun in the doing. If/when I ever want to try and actually progress instead of fumbling around and dying horribly, I'll join their irc chat for protips and termcast spectators. That way I can take longer and invest more of my life into a still similarly silly death.

But yeah I recommend at least playing for, say, 20 minutes for the sake of doing it. Reading over the death dump is pretty entertaining. A lot of weird ass randomization going on under the hood gets logged in your chardump after you die.

>>173814432
I try to swap it asap because its usually more harm than good and it doesnt give you a lot of 'piety' or whatever so its really not worth it
It can be really useful against some early on hard monsters like d:1 gnoll or adder and similar, all depending on your race

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>>173814945
*shoots an enemy through a grate*
*reads a thorough summary of hit chances against each monster*
*activates a pylon to fuck up a zombie squad*
*pulls a lever to close/open a distant door*

Imagine being a windowslet who can't even compile a video game on their own.
Embarassing.

>>173816304
>that pool
>those herbs
>that corpse
That looks exactly like adom.

>>173816442
not sure for pools, but " for herbs and % for corpse is in a lot of ascii games, even beyond roguelikes.

>>173816442
There are none of those things in that image.

>>173816304
>I pull the lever
>I

>>173817152
>I PULL THE LEVER!
>ROCKS FALL!
>I AM DEAD!

>>173816667
Actually there is a corpse "&" in a hallway near the middle of the level.

>>173817834
That's a foocubus.

I like chicken, he likes beef
She loves pork, while his boyfriend is a vegetarian

In my mind, roguelikes is a buffet – up to each to choose his/her fare…

>>173818045
IA's poorly designed garbage monsters just kill you instead of rewarding you for playing a boring mini game.

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Soon gonna push these stupid changes. Not really important, but at least they don't break saves.

>>173813394
>level 11 of a ziggurat
>Xom
>You are too berserk!
>*Slow
>67629 | Zig:11 | XOM: cast spell 'Ice Form'

You really should stop at Zig:9-10, ditch Xom and switch to Zin / TSO later.

>>173818538
>the the mattock
Anyway, cool. What happens if you don't have virtues on?

>>173818538
>The The

>>173818804
the the

>>173818804
oopsie doo, forgot the names contain 'the' already.

>>173819036
New DCSS monster thoughts?

>>173818538
KILL KILL KILL

>>173819251
bring back goldfish, beetles, and elephant slugs

>>173818728
It at the moment picks it mostly from alignment which still exists without alignments to my knowledge. I scrapped the virtue-acting since it is hard to make it work with good sense ( since lot of the value-changes are rather arbitrary )

Rings and weapons can act passively ( rings with higher chance ).
Weapons act on melee attacks, too.

I probably will look more into it later. They are supposed to be rare things, anyway, although I think you can set them on fixed artifacts.

>>173819606
These suck, but I do really miss suppression moth, old komodo dragon and thorn lotus.

>>173820053
you shut your noob mouth when you talk shit about my precious legacy monsters

>>173820053
>and thorn lotus.
You fucking don't.

so what happened to dcss devs? did nethack traumatize them so bad theyre scared of having features?

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>he plays tiles

>>173820720
No, that's the Brogue devs

>>173821231
>devs
>s

We need a roguelike where each floor has only one boss enemy and you have have to use what you're given to beat it.

Give me one reason why I shouldn't play a death sword and grind orc caves for 30 hours straight

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>>173821226

>enter v:5
>worship qazlel
>rape everything
I havent had this much fun in dcss in a while

>>173821556
This is almost exactly the postgame to what I'm working on.

>>173821556
What if there was a roguelike skateboarding game

>>173810275
Wouldn't the lack of rMut eventually just fuck those up on extended?

>>173821226
>recent
>1million games

>>173822012
>more
>more
>more
>more
>more
idk dude

>>173816304
>I STROKE MY DICK BECAUSE LONELY

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>>173822763
>show_more = false

>>173822029
>I'm working on
sure you are

>>173822763
More?

>>173802623
This is very problematic. A patriarchal symbol like this has no place in a game that's devoted to equal representation, feminism, and anti-Eurocentrism like Crawl.

The purge begins lads
https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c3e0a5ca6ddc4b3908ba1774af25dfd7dfa69b92

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Well, at least this run was somewhat different I somehow did not die to the effects of a yeti's icebreaker at one point in time.

The next run will certainly be more different, alright.

>>173821624
of course go with your own opinion. It's not bad at all to take advice from your friends, but at the end of the day it's still your decision.

>>173823750
This is bike shedding, right?

>>173818538
Anyway, pushed the changes. Two new dragons and minor fixes.
They are still kinda in prototype-stage, so frequency, how bad they are and etc. are still in works, I suppose.

Oh, and you don't get to know the 'personality' of weapon/ring explicitly. You have to deduce it, which is kinda simple.

>>173823990
It's beyond bikeshedding, bikeshedding would be something like a trivial apt tweak or tweak to a damage formula of almost no consequence. This is just the developers trying their best to align themselves with Social Justice principles.

>>173823750
i want to commit a serious crime

>>173824553
Wait until the commit that turns all stairs in Tomb into hatches goes live
No changes to the mob density of course

>remove features from the game for being orientalist
>leave species in the game, with different base aptitudes and stats, implicitly aligning with the race realist worldview

Shitlord DCSS devs aren't going to fool me. The game is inherently racist and fascist, and their token attempts to pretend that they hold progressive values are pretty offensive. Brogue aligns much better with progressive values. All monsters are female and there are no player races. That's the kind of representation that roguelikes should strive for.

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>>173823750

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>>173824736
i want to revert to older versions but keep only the stuff i like

>>173824992
I've tried to create a fork like this, but it's too much work for one person. Started at 0.14.2, added MD and St back and burned out.

>>173824795
>Tengu
>literally japanese name for a japanese creature
How long until it's turned into Birdman

>>173825208
They used to be kenku before.

>>173825208
all race species are based in real mythology
But they dont even mind that, they just mind EUROCENTRIC mythology
claiming that japanese = exotic is bad, but having japanese in the game isnt

>>173825208
i don't even understand this meme, isn't using the native name equivalent to paying homage to the culture, because you're deliberately abiding by their naming conventions, given that transliterations take a bit more effort than just using an easier to understand name?

>>173825285
>changing it to Tengu is orientalist
>changing it back to Kenku would be copying D&D, an inherently fascist anti-modernist game
What to do

>>173807094
This is a disgrace to tumposters everywhere.

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O baby

>>173825878
I forgot the fucking morgue
https://underhound.eu:81/crawl/morgue/rlgrobin/rlgrobin.txt

>>173825878
>-cast
DIRECTly into lava

>>173825208
>>173825597
>paying homage

To the autists and SJWs among the tavernposters and devs, that's not acceptable. DCSS should be pure fantasy and not reference ANYTHING outside itself -- partially to soothe autists' rage, and partially to not offend anyone.

It's retarded as fuck.

>>173826274
>To the autists and SJWs among the tavernposters and devs, that's not acceptable. DCSS should be pure fantasy and not reference ANYTHING outside itself -- partially to soothe autists' rage, and partially to not offend anyone.
Wrong
It should not reference a) religion b) from a eurocentric viewpoint
references are fine, as long as they arent presented as "foreign"

I'm actually using a morgul weapon for once because it's the only thing I've found in 30 levels that's better than a lance. Aggravate doesn't seem too bad at the moment. I expect it'll get me killed soon.

>>173826274
Referencing European fantasy is okay as long as its done critically and with understanding of its inherently problematic nature as endorsing racialism, fascism, monarchism and anti-modernism.

>>173826274
although i don't care about such minor name changes, part of me wants to get in the way of them getting what they want just because i hate what they stand for
they really have a knack for bringing out the inner evil out of people, truly the devil's team

>>173826665
The devs are just cucks.

>okay guys how to we make extended more varied and fun
>CHANGE THE NAMES
>no, game play mechanics
>WHY IS EVERYTHING GIANT
>minmay calm down
>REEEEEEEEEEEEE KILL ALL WHITES

>>173826469
I wonder if any devs will realize that they use like fifty bible quotes probably not because no one reads them.

give me the rundown on this minmay/duvessa person

>>173826909
thanks for telling about that i will forward it to the others

>>173821624
fun

>>173827089
Shitposts on the tavern all day
In proper forum fashion lots of posts = very influentual
devs eat up his shit

>>173826909
the flavor text is part of the reason i liked crawl. i bet there are still a few astronomically rare flavor events that i've yet seen

>>173823750
>not "Ring of Wu Jian" or "Ring of the Council"

>>173827365
Cant wait for them to remove the orb curing yuif

>>173825618
How is D&D fascist

>>173827414
>implying Wu Jian won't be purged for being orientalist

>>173827365
My favorite obscure flavor text was (RIP) rolling anchovy pizza as a ghoul.

>>173827529
Made by whites, played by whites
Humans = good
Orcs = niggers = evil
Elves = asians = arrogant
Gnomes = handicapped = ableism

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>>173823750
Yet another quality 'addition' to one of the dullest roguelikes in the history of roguelikes. Each commit by the Devil's Team and their sycophants from the Tavern as they remove assorted features has been indistinguishable from the others. Aside from the removal of content, the game's only consistency has been its lack of excitement and ineffective use of interesting tactical situations, all to make magic unmagical, to make action seem inert.

Perhaps the die was cast when Campbell vetoed the idea of Linley developing the game; he made sure the game would never be mistaken for a real roguelike that meant anything to anybody, just ridiculously unprofitable cross-promotion for Tolkien books. DCSS might be anti-fun (or not), but it’s certainly the anti-Nethack roguelike in its refusal of spoilers, Dwarves, and excitement. No one wants to face that fact. Now, thankfully, they no longer have to.

>a-at least the older versions were good though
"No!"
The gameplay is dreadful; the game was terrible. As I played, I noticed that every time a developer removed a feature, the dev wrote instead that the feature "was bloat."

I began marking on the back of an envelope every time that phrase was repeated. I stopped only after I had marked the envelope several dozen times. I was incredulous. Campbell's mind is so governed by optimal play and efficiency that he has no other style of developing. Later I read a lavish, loving review of DCSS by the same Edmund McMillen. He wrote something to the effect of, "If these kids are playing DCSS at 11 or 12, then when they get older they will go on to play The Binding of Isaac." And he was quite right. He was not being ironic. When you play DCSS you are, in fact, trained to play The Binding of Isaac.

>>173827662
my favorite is okawaru's commentary

>>173827897
whats that

>>173816304
When did /rlg/ become so elitist? Someone compile the thing for windoze users already and be done with it. There probably are more than one person that is having problems.

>>173816304
infra arcana is bad lel

>>173827950
>grinder struggles to leave the net
>you smash grinder like a watermelon!!
>grinder dies
>okawaru says: ANNIHILATED!!!

>>173827959
When have roguelikes not been elitist? This community actively hates tiles

>>173828237
some of us only passively aggressively hate tiles

>>173828237
What about tiles that are scalable ascii?

>>173827959
You do it then you fucking shill. I don't give a single fuck about your shit game. How about you beg the dev to put his shit and piss on a plate for you instead

>Ring of the Chupacabra
What is this bullshit? Fucking real world references in my Crawl?
Am I supposed to believe that there are mexicans in Crawl's universe and they spawned the Chupacabra myth?
Immersion lost forever

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Gibz me dat co'piled Infuh Arcanz fo' windoz mudafuggers
please?

>>173829469
Mexicans aren't real

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>>173829602
They are in my Crawl

>>173829652
>actually using the lance

>>173823750
So we got a Polish guy supposedly trying to make the game less eurocentric by removing references to the far east.
How do we actually know that this guy isn't a literal nazi?

All the dragons in crawl are european dragons
really makes you think

>>173829652
>no life drain
>no regen
>no stealth++
trash reference

>>173829812
The problem arent the references, the problem is that they come from a european point of view
You cant describe them as exotic, which implies they are foreign which implies the dungeon is in europe

>>173829971
Well, it has *Drain at least

>>173829917
Bai Suzhen[
>literally chinese name of a chinese deity
How long until it becomes White Snake Draconian

>>173830315
>he doesn't know Dragons of all kinds are getting removed due to European centralism colonialism imperialist facist facts.

dragons are winged snakes now

>>173828163
that's just part of the "grunt" language, isn't it?

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>>173829469
we know that grorious nippon already exist in crawl because of katana
obviously the ring of chupacabra is named after japanese animes

>>173827959
Just fucking do it yourself you double mong. Or pester the dev to do it. We're not withholding the binary out of spite, nobody here has it.

>>173830051
Oh, I understand his logic. I just think it's bullshit.
The fact remains that we have a European guy removing references to things outside Europe, and everyone's supposed to be impressed of how culturally sensitive he is.

>>173830732
Weren't dragons always winged snakes though

>>173780276
Good eye, it is, in fact, the same comic.
>>173807094
Jesus christ, furryposter, get your act together.

>>173823750
why.
>De-Eurocentricism
>erase all other translations
wew, sjws are fucking retarded

>>173832071
>Just fucking do it yourself
I'm trying. How many more hours, huh? How many more fucking hours shifting through CMake bullshit to find tidbits that are relevant to compiling Infra Arcana? I'm losing my mind here I've been at it for so long.
>pester the dev
He comes here. He must know by now. No point in poking him. He's changed the instructions from "windows users can't build this shit" to "windows users CAN build this shit, but you're pretty much on your own reading extraneous instructions"

>>173812543

Wait until you are banished to the abyss and can't find the exit for 3k turns with Qazlal.

>>173832721
only if you are a filthy chinese

eastern dragons are wise magic flying snakes
western dragons are winged firebreathing lizards that hoard treasure and demand virgins

Best Tengu combo to 15 rune?

So, D2 adders are pretty much literally rng unless you have some sort of ranged option?

>>173836528
cry lots of TeArs

>>173836557
if fi use !might
if gl throw net
if be go berserk

if mo/wn: well you picked a shitty background anyways, hope you have a good unid consumable

what other starting backgrounds have no ranged option?

Good Lord. The cold cooldown for glacial shell can be reduced with arctic veil triggering. Seems kinda OP but there are still several things it cannot block, even certain elemental attacks.

>>173836528
a thing that isn't a Tengu because lol no hp

>>173836528
Easy
Start as a Fighter with Axes, tab anything and everything that isn't Orc Priests at the beginning or the usual gnoll with halberd/etc
Abuse Flight movement bonus by always casting it before fighting something dangerous like Ogres/Hill Giants/Orc Warriors etc so you can evoke feet and retreat
Worship Gozag and jew good gear from him
Later trade him for Mak, just be sure you can handle his jew wrath, by that I mean have scrolls of tele/blink/heals. I like saving Elf1-3 besides the boss chamber so I can rack up some easy piety as dyel elves can't be enraged
Learn Tornado and destroy everything thanks to the +3 Air aptitude that lets you even cast in fullplate eventually
The low HP isn't really an issue besides the very beginning of the game and even then only against Orc Priests because le balanced smite
I can go more in depth as to what to do first etc if you want

>>173839140
Yes please, thank you for this.

>>173836528
If you start as a Tm, you'll have obscene EV very soon, hitting 30 before d:6, as spiderform stacks with flight.

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>>173839474
Frankly I do the same for most meleee that isn't Octopode/Felid
Start as Fighter with axes because cleaving and otab go hand in hand
Tengus have +1 Axe aptitude so the leveling will be pretty fast, I usually level Axes to about 8-10 or so before then raising Fighting, Dodging, Armor to ~8 then resuming Axes until ~16 for the war axe min delay. After that keep raising Shields, Armor, Dodging as needed, some stealth is nice too for Gozag daze
Anyways, the beginning isn't really hard, you can tab through most creatures and just have to be wary of stuff that's annoying to about most builds, especially Orc Priest smite due to your frail HP. Tengus gain temporary Flight at level 5, always turn it on before fighting dangerous enemies since it gives you a hefty 20% EV boost AND movement bonus, which means you can just outrun most foes if your health gets low. I prefer to set autofight_stop at 50% instead of the default 30%.
Worship Gozag whenever you find an altar, the daze effect from the gold is amazing, and the shops will often give you good gear, plus potion petition can work as a nice panic button. The first use is free so might as well use it rather than risk dieing when needed.
For Gozag shops I like Armor the best as that covers a lot of slots besides weapon so chances are you'll find some goodies every now and then. Weapon is secondary, and only if you really need a good axe, the default war axe you start out with is more than enough for most of the game assuming you dump all enchant and brand scrolls on it, provided you don't find a better axe earlier. Try not using 2h weapons, the loss of a shield is awful for frail race like Tengus.
As far as dungeon progression I like doing D1-10, Lair, D10-15, Orc
After that it depends, Snake is a fucking pain and the most dangerous of Lair branches, so I'd save that for last. Shoal is pretty easy for Tengu with decent AC/EV, Spider is mostly easy too, so is Swamp too besides the ending.

>>173841217
Perfect, thank you

>>173827959

It's not being elitist. All you whine about are "WANT WANT WANT" and offer nothing to the table then you wonder why you aren't getting any favorable responses. It doesn't even have to be money. What do YOU have? Since if you have nothing and still whine like a babby then wait and stop shitting up the thread.

>>173839474
>>173841487
Of course even the easier branches can have some dangerous enemies but I assume you've done the game before so you know how to take them on, if not then ask. Anyways remember +Inv trivializes literally all lair branches but snake.
After you get your first rune I like to do Vault 1-4. Here you can also try changing from Gozag to Mak, but for that be sure you can survive Gozag's wrath.
Gozag will continuously berserk and haste enemies on sight for a long time, and enemy berserk is a fucking pain on Crawl. What you need is decent AC/EV/heals but most of all teleportation since you can't really outrun berserked enemies.
Which is why as soon as I switch to Mak I do Elf 1-3 besides the boss, only Deep Elf Blademasters can berserk but they literally only spawn either at the Weapon Hall or the boss chamber. Leaving Elf should give you about *** piety.
After Vault 1-4 you can do the remaining Lair branch, then Depths.
As for armor choices, well it all depends on what you find really. Even a fullplate on a Tengu works just fine, it's more about how good the enchantments are.
Just be careful at especially Lair when your defenses might not yet be too good depending on what Gozag's shops offer. Especially around Spiny Frogs and heavy hitters like Komodo Dragons, Death Yaks, Hydras (Switch to a mace weapon to fight them), but these you can all outrun besides the damn frogs.
For spells be on the lookout for the usual melee centric ones, Regeneration, Repel Missiles.
Later you'll want Tornado and Deflect Missiles. Tornado is basically a "I win" button and when used with Mak you'll gain all life back but getting the required skill to cast as a melee can take a lot of time even with +3 Apt.
And damn, I forgot about level up points, I like to spend the first 2-3 on STR, then 2-3 DEX and rest on INT.
Also, remember to turn Flight off against Tittans and Spprigan Air Elementalists, so usually Depths and Vault 5.

>>173836528

TeGl^Oka-->TSO-->Oka 2H longblade

>>173842267
Yeah I already know what to do for the rest of game, thank you once again

Someone screencaps the tengu tangu talk for the future

why can't you craft items in dcss

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>>173841746
>offer nothing to the table
There isn't even a table to share with. I'd love to help people with the game, share tips, tell them how to compile it, literally anything- but I just can't compile it. I've tried. You are being too cruel and unfair. Why don't you teach me how to fish so I don't need to go back to the fisherman. Learning CMake is beyond me. Every person that has windows 7 and will run into the same exact problems I do.

>>173843224
because crafting is boring and unfun in games where it isn't the whole point
>>173843462
You have inspired me to kick your ass, congratulations
brb installing code::blocks and mingw

Is Blade Hands + Chei the biggest melee damage in Crawl?

Mauler's kind of fun (especially chain-splatter), but I feel like it tends to stagnate after the very early game because of the weapon restrictions. Is there some semi-reliable way to get a decent heavy weapon?

>>173843701
no because
1. dragonform does more damage
2. removed in trunk

>>173843772
not really
you should autopickup lances + heavy lances since they are the heaviest "normal" weapons you can find aside from arts/egos/maces of disruption

or i think you can just set up an autopickup rule for "weapons more weight than 29" or something

>>173843772
there are a number of uniques that have a very unusually high chance to drop their associated heavy weapons. Search "mauler" in this file: https://github.com/poschengband/poschengband/blob/master/src/xtra2.c

>>173843798
How to deal with the crappy dragon form ac/ev though

>>173827741
>nemelex not fedhas tier early game
what is this meme

>>173844168
be a draconian, they keep their racial scales AC in Dragonform
the EV penalty isn't THAT bad

>>173843798

what

bladehands were removed?

>>173844418
your shilling is working on me

>>173844510
Base UC scaling with stats got removed. Cats of Sif Muna came buckets.

>>173844689

You scared me for a second there you fucking cunt

>>173844510
chei was removed

damage scaling w/ stats is still in, just not BASE damage increasing w/ stats

blade hands are still good don't worry

>>173823829
Anon what the fuck is that build

It looks like you learned your skills from corpses

>>173841217
>axes
>when riposte exists in the game
>when tengu get the most EV in the game
axes have one and only one use and that is ziggurats

>>173837416
>the cold cooldown for glacial shell can be reduced with arctic veil triggering

what

are you sure you're not just seeing the regular turn countdown it has?

>>173845514
Cleave is always on against everything no matter the target's action
Riposte requires the enemy to miss a melee attack and even then isn't it just 50% or something?

>>173846407
>Cleave is always on against everything no matter the target's action
incorrect, cleave is only on when you're playing like a monkey and surrounded by enemies
riposte on the other hand is like an invisible attack speed bonus that depends on your EV, 50% of all misses unless it was changed, which applies brands, offhand attacks, and slaying.

>>173823573

Why did Crawl become feminist? I don't even care because I don't pay attention to the lore or the special characters' names. It seems so pointless, who decided to do this?

>>173846703
One guy got butthurt about >no grils and changed the sexes of some uniques. All the other devs thought this was fucking stupid, but let him continue as a joke since it was literally a change that did nothing.

>>173846703
>patriarch linley will never come back to life and make crawl great again
;_;

>>173846885

Did he die?

>>173846821

Eh, I like the female bee priests at least.They rarely ever appear in the game though.

Honestly the game in general seems a lot shittier than it used to be. Maybe it just got easy for me. Feels very grindy though, also wish there were more random items. The random generation system seems nice but it isn't used as much as it could be. Also several features that were interesting have been removed or made to be boring.

>>173847264
Its actually gotten much harder and somewhat less grindy, but perhaps you simply got gud. Seeing through the fluff D:1-D:10 into the meat of the game always feels a little bad once that new fag spark is gone from your eyes. What is gone that you miss? Let us speak of the friends we have lost along the way.

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IT DIDN'T HAVE TO BE THIS WAY

>>173847471

I can't remember everything at the moment desu, because I just came back to the game after taking a break for a few months. But it just seems like things have been removed. Enchantments don't seem to mean as much now as they used to either. Feels like something is missing.

Honestly maybe you're right, maybe I just got good and now all the mystery is gone from the game.

>>173847617

I remember giant goldfish, I miss those. The used to generate in rivers near the first couple floors.

>>173846821
No wonder I couldn't quite remember Urug and that goblin unique being women
It's even more hilarious because they look like trannies now

>>173847783
they still look like an o and a g to me

>>173847913

>not playing tiles

Old man

>>173847664
DESU, they never meant much. We just assigned more value to getting a dank +7,+8 because good luck ever getting your scrolls to actually enchant shit that high. The only important ones were for armour, which didn't have that bullshit. If you can move passed the nostalgia fag phase, you can git a little guder and do a lot of hiliarious meme bullshit. Lots of fun to be had there.

>>173847617
>You feel it too, don't you?

>>173848054

What's the meme bullshit?

>>173844103
Note that most of them are level 80+ giants in olympus and the like, so this is more a source of endgame weapons rather than where you look to find the upgrade to your +10 lance of noego

>>173845103
there is no longer any special synergy between UC and chei, however
Tm now get the same benefits out of chei as any other melee otabber instead of getting 10x more

>>173789867

Why do I even play roguelikes? Not even fun for me anymore, but I can't stop playing this shit.

>>173848262
20+ invo at the end of lair + QAZLOUD. Loreseeker runs. Pure evoker busta back when 2pak was bleeding edge shit. Generally just playthroughs that require a lot more technical knowledge of the game but let you do funny shit you normally wouldn't be able to do. You could try out the kungfu court of bonelords, they seem pretty neat as a god. Do a skald of hep for gank squad fun, or a Mf venom mage since they got a new spell. Sky is the limit once you can get most characters off the ground, and have a little more tolerance for change.

>>173789867

Have any interesting roguelikes come out recently?

I remember cataclysm and CDDA coming out, cataclysm was cool just for the idea itself.

Can't think of any big roguelikes that came out after those that were new or innovative. Anyone know of any? Are roguelikes dead

does riposte work with cleave

>>173848842
Yes.

>>173848562
'tism

>>173848762
demon, poschengband, and infra arcana have all gotten pretty large updates in the past year

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>boots of stab-like-a-dagger
>gloves of riposte-like-a-sword
why doesn't there a hat of cleave-like-a-axe

>>173848762
That mass effect roguelike was pretty cool.

>>173849093
i don't think that was actually new, it had existed for months or maybe a year before it randomly became arelgee fotm

>>173847617
>haste plants
top kek

>>173849227
best spell in the game

can you achieve the same result with chaos brand vs bush?

>>173849227
>tfw my antheridium is too slow and cannot go fast

>>173849082
also scythes reach+cleave change when
i wanna tab a zig without looking at the screen

>>173847617

What the fuck did they do to Crystal Golems?

>>173847617
no create doors, 0/10 would not reminisce

>>173849686
Crystal guardian now. Shoots reflective fire/ice bolts.

>>173849686
They turned into murder guardians.

>>173823750
Every day I hate trunk a little more.

To the Infra Arcana on Windows guys:

I *almost* got it working, but there are apparently some compilation problems specific to MinGW. Finding a solution is throwing me for a loop, so I'll probably use a different compiler and try again.

Anyway, what I did to get 80% of the way there was:
1) Install CMake and CodeBlocks-mingw.
2) Use CMake in the way the GitHub page says to.
3) When I got an error about libintl-8.dll missing, I put the MinGW folder (something like C:\Program Files (x86)\CodeBlocks\MinGW; I'm on my Linux comp now, so I can't remember if that's accurate) into my PATH.
4) To put it the folder into my path, I just followed:
http://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch000549.htm
5) After that, configuring and generating on CMake was straightforward and error-free. If I wasn't clear before, I just used the defaults, and everything seemed to work.
6) Once the Makefile was generated, I opened it up in Code::blocks, and tried to compile it like the GitHub page said to.
7) I had to point Code::blocks to the right folder where MinGW was, too. That was in Settings->Compilers->Toolchainsomethingsomething (again, not on my Windows machine atm).
8) And, again, tried to compile ia.
9) ...but I ran into a weird "to_string is not a member of std" bug, which is apparently a problem with MinGW.
10) I *tried* fixing it by downloading MinGW-w64 and replacing the program files as seen in step 7, but that didn't seem to work. MinGW-w64 has a bunch of config options and methods of installation, so it'd be a pain in the pass to figure out the right one to not get that error...

So yeah, that's where I'm at.

And to think, this was so goddamn simple to compile on Linux...

>>173852792
>And to think, this was so goddamn simple to compile on Linux...
are the instructions in the github okay?
Forget them wincucks

>>173852884
Yeah, the Linux instructions were all you needed to do.

You just need to make sure you have a full rl_utils folder -- running "git submodule init" and "git submodule update" will get it. I mean, the Github says to do it, but it should probably be an "IMPORTANT: DO THIS" rather than a "NOTE:".

>>173848762
Kornel is making the successor to AliensRL called Jupiter Hell

>>173853281
you mean to doomrl

>>173852792
Hmmm FUCK
Maybe we need to get another C++ compiler instead of mingw

>Hill Giant is 2 squares away
>zap a wand
>it moves and attacks at the same turn
I don't get it

>>173853574
Don't worry, wands will be removed soon

>>173853362
No, he's cashing in on DoomRL, but want he really wants to make is AliensRL

>>173853574
>he doesn't know of giant clubs of reaching
The bane of many-a momu.

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>>173853574
don't you just love energy randomisation, anon-kun?

>>173853740
almost as much as i love tummies

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>>173853574

Quick question: Maledicts get more powerful the more permacursed/AFC/etc items they have, right?
Would starting with a rune sword make them really powerful in the earlygame?

>maledicts use charisma as their casting stat
fuck I was wondering why I had a 95 % failrate at level 10

>>173856026
The casting stat shows up in purple during class selection.

What should be the name of a fixedart weapon that has reach, cleave, riposte, and stab all at once?

Should it be able to stab 24 enemies at once?

>>173857317
do this but give it 0 basedamage and +1 enchantment

>>173857317
The Ninjato of The Dalai Lama

it would still do 300+ damage on stabs with high enough skill

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>while wearing at least one permacursed item (rune sword) at level 35 maladict can heal himself for 420 damage spending 30 SP
>they can dimensionally anchor monsters who'd tele away
>they can use the maladict version of nature awareness

So you have a class that can self-heal starting at 420 HP and that SCALES WITH THE NUMBER OF CURSED EQUIPMENT, has decent melee (as far as I know they are capped at 7 blows like a warrior), detect monsters/traps/magic map, has a fucking MANA STORM-TIER SPELL that costs ZERO SP unless you fail IF YOU WEAR PERMACURSED EQUIPMENT THAT DOES 260 DAMAGE AND HAS A RADIUS OF SIX

Oh baby
I didn't plan on doing anything today

>>173857592
What happens with the manastorm if you fail

>>173857679
It costs 75 SP. The trick is that it uncurses all your stuff in the process, but you can't uncurse permacursed items!

I wonder if you can somehow hit something through walls with it.

>>173827089
He states that slex has "transmisogyny" (does that word even exist?), and is a SJW and thus generally a very unpleasant person. Steer clear of him.

>>173857592
>they can dimensionally anchor monsters who'd tele away
but it also applies notele on the player, does it not
probably way too risky to use until you have a source of destruction

>>173857940
It takes one turn to apply. considering you can heal yourself for 500 damage a pop and how skittish uniques are about going into antisummoning corridors, it's extremely manageable.

Also does anyone wonder why insect swarms hit like a truck on fire when you first meet them on D:1?

Also crows
jesus christ crows are a nightmare with low AC if you don't have a tele scroll

>>173858171
You have bad AC and they are fast with two 1d5 damage attacks.
This means they can do up to 30 damage per action you take (if they triple-move you).

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I can't believe how an excellent bow carried me through all of stronghold, considering it does double the damage of my sword
launchers are really are strong

also, do I have to wear the archery rings on a specific finger to get the slaying bonus?

Also I'm glad that poscheng has more uniques, I had to slay like 5 with the bow because the sword did something like 3 damage up to 5 minutes ago

>>173835489
I was banished when in elf 1 or 2% chance lmao and wasnt terrible at all, i was looking for the rune and i passed like 4 exits

So uh what the fuck do I do with my demons and shit

>>173811142
That's the mindset one ought to have

So I was looking into which monsters only have the shoot acid effect, breed explosively and drop loot, since by being a yeek you get a racial immunity to acid which should ( if I didn't get that wrong) just ignore all acid damage, which would mean I wouldn't get hurt.
Turns out only the black ooze meets all the criteria, while the spawn of ubbo gives a ton of XP, is a higher level (40, which would make my rune sword a lot beefier than it is right now) and is a guaranteed (or nearly guaranteed) spawn down at ubbo's level.

So I think I'm going to test out the acid immunity theory and then with all luck I'm going to pudding farm a bit.

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Tfw finally beat tome4 on normal

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Neat.

incidentally, does anyone know if the spawn of ubbo ever spawns when ubbo's dead? Can't find it anywhere, the slimy bugger.

>>173864305
Nice. Good luck with your pudding farming. Maybe you could work a similar thing for if you had different immunities.

>>173864856
Can't think of any race that gets an immunity except for balrogs getting fire (or jellies but that's really just the same isn't it) way too late and by the time you can do that you're going to be killing great hell wyrms anyway.

Honestly the best way to farm is still dragonhunting in the mountains, but when you have combos that are kinda weak it's probably not the best idea to go and try to kill ancient durrgins. Spawns of ubbo oscillate between 150/200 XP a pop, which means you need to kill 100 just to get a level. For loot the safest bet is still to keep oozes on the bottom of the icky caves and farm that single good item.

THE DEVIL'S TEAM IS THE DEV TEAM

>>173865460
Ban minmay from the dev team and crawl's overall quality will instantly go up by a factor three.

>can't kill them as fast as they respawn
>can't pick up the loot
I think an open room might have been a bad idea.

>>173865572

His retardation was already inside the devteam waaaay before he became a dev.

>>173865950
Is it true that he goes around spouting "i am an asexual person! i am an asexual person! look at me i am so different from you all!" just hoping that someone makes fun of him so he can lash out in a SJW rage?

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Hey, it's kinda working.

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Provided you can heal yourself and have a wand of teleother, aggravation can be quite useful when farming dragons. I can see it ruining my life in any other case though.

Did you know you cannot read mundanity on your starting runesword?
Yeah.
It's gonna be fun.

>>173867523
So, what sort of stuff does a runesword get as it levels up?

Which combination of this jewellery should i wear, along with rCorr ring to tackle slime? Do i really need both rC+++ and rN+++? And can you reflect the acid from jellies in there?

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>>173871124
Forgot pic..

>>173871124
just don't do slime
Not directed at your character specifically, but just as a general rule, it tends to not be worth it.
>>173871210
That looks fine, if you're up against a bunch of death oozes or an azure jelly maybe swap over for more rC or rN depending, those can be really nasty without appropriate resistances, but 270 is a lot of hitpoints so you should be fine.

>>173871210
Also: you won't need that reflection amulet.
Acid dragons are immune to their own breath.

>>173871124
I'm usually OK without rCorr (except for TRJ, 1 potion of resistance is enough), but with rC+. rN+ is optional, you can instead terminate the death oozes first.
Something to deal with mutation eyes is appreciated.
Yes, acid is reflectable.
If you get too much corrosion, use yara/cancellation.

>>173873138
Yeah, but acid dragons have rCorr++

>>173873390
Well yeah, it's useless, but it does reflect!

>>173869540
Possibly various brands and slays, always aggravation and AFC after a certain level.
Considering how bad aggravation is, the rune sword can become a 9d9 +30+30 sword good sword only if you manage to survive it. It's a love-hate relationship.

Hell hounds of Julian are level 83 but should be level 38: They are the best possible mobs you can kill, except for unmakers (since they breed).
A yeek rune sword user can level it up relatively quickly if he simply reaches level 20 and then goes tab-happy in the icky caves.
Sadly the aggravation got the best of me in the mountains when I got sandwiched between a crystal drake and a 'lisk and I couldn't Tele away.

>>173867523
Yeah, you can't ?Mundanity runeswords when the forced runesword-option is enabled. I thought that ridding of them would be not in the spirit of the option.

You know, technically unmakers are farmable in arena:80. You'd have to kill the babble without a needle though. Or dual-wield that and the needle. That sounds like a dual-wielding nightmare.

>>173874125
It's a good idea. It's a really strong option, might as well give it some drawbacks.

By the way, wisdom makes your SP regen faster, doesn't it?

I always use it as my dump stat and my SP takes year to regen.

Also the help files says that having high int lowers the xp requirement slightly, is that true?

>>173874364
i didn't notice so far

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>>173874456
No, apparently wis just makes level feelings change a little faster.

Don't know about int, though.

Apparently, int doesn't change anything xp-wise. If given the same amount of XP to a min int and max-int char of the same combo it doesn't change anything.

That's what I get from using the help file I guess
At least picking lucky gives me a 1% failrate on devices even with 3 int.

>>173871669
>>173871941
>>173873138
Doesnt matter much, exec axe + large shield is broken as fuck

>>173875289
I will downgrade 10 versions just to try this, thanks

>>173877679
Why do you need to downgrade? Im doing it on git version right now, tomb is being a bitch as per usual

https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/c3e0a5ca6ddc4b3908ba1774af25dfd7dfa69b92 I won't play this shit anymore.

>>173878726
autism

http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commit;h=d6803ebe0731d84e0d48bcbbe1d31115d20aed10
Is minmay basically the main developer at this point? Anything the guy wants gets in the game

Can someone prove that !cancel removed corrosion since it's not a magical effect

>>173879241
Just wizmode it, mate. Very simple to see with your own eyes.

It didn't have to be like this.

>>173879107
But this is actually a good change.

>>173879107
What exactly is wrong with that? Or are we just complaining because minmay

>>173879591
Go to bed minmay.

>>173879591
The problem is that they debated about it for 3years but once minmay mentioned they immediately implement it

Why does Cheibriados say "Take it easy!"? It isn't true, because piety decreases over time, I cannot take it easy anymore.

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>>173878726

The best part of this is that 1 change is literally nothing, and the other is a positive change, yet you baka ass barachians get caught up on it anyway. At the end of the day, the ring is literally the same and we have smoother spell %.

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Let's do this again.

>>173880959
New spell's successrate encourages minmaxing.

>>173880998
I really like the anti-summon corridor

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>>173881072
That is always what we have done though. Straight from the beginning.

>>173880959
Remember when people said the same after they removed high elves for being too tolkien (tolkien is a white supremacist btw cant have that in our game)

>>173881470
The difference being that the ring is renamed but the elves were removed.

>>173880959
>removing MD for being """"too tolkien"""" is literally nothing
>the devs won't feel emboldened by their circlejerkers accepting it and definitely won't start an unending egotrip rape of the game
>8 years later

>>173881948
MD were removed because they were too mechanically similar to other races.

Does anyone ever experience a huge lag when walking in the overworld in PCB after they hav been playing for a while?

>>173822012
qazlal is shit but he's the fun kind of shit

>>173866627
i thought he wanted to sexually fuck elvs

>>173882029
That's one of the excuses that has been easily debunked time and time again. The combination of aptitudes and other traits made them mechanically unique.
>fightdude great at both armor and shields without equipment restrictions
>axes and crossbows
>evocations and fire/earth magic
>negates penalties of dwarven racial armor
>no retarded hp regen gimmic like donutsteel dwarves that were added right after

>>173874364
no, sp regen is not tied to stats, although it IS based on your max sp

ways to regen sp faster:
- wear items with +regen (this affects both hp and sp)
- be a class with Eat Magic or Concentration
- be Hera demigod to get a racial Concentration power (useful for Priest)
- carry a rod of clarity around or something

>>173874821
PCB? Int increases xp from kills
doesn't affect !exp though afaik

>>173882905
ooooooh.

>>173880998
this sounds boringer, slower, and less fan than just playing a good race and killing durgins

your autism knows no bounds

>>173882146
it happens when you have auto_id

>>173882801
so literally just "minotaur but you also can cast stoneskin"?

>>173883203
Minotaurs dont have all slots and dont have a focus in weapons/spells

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5 minutes and 500 spawns of ubbo later, I'm level 35 and my sword can't get any stronger than this fighting level 40 mobs. No aggravation yet, which is really good.
Gonna clear some more trash dungeons and then I'm going to Zul.

>>173881167
It really ties the room together, doesn't it

>>173883203
I don't see minotaurs wearing dwarven racial armor without penalties or using helmets m8.

>>173883362
>+2 in all weapons that aren't SB, +1 with all ranged that isn't throwing
>not focused in weapons

In DCSS, can elephants or dragons shove you in deep water or magma and then you die?

>>173883579
No.

http://crawl.chaosforge.org/Mountain_dwarf
http://crawl.chaosforge.org/Minotaur

>minotaurs can't wear helmets, dwarves get racial bonuses with dwarven armor
>dwarves and minotaurs get different passive stat gains
>dwarves are dogshit at stealth and bad at dodging, but better at armor, minotaurs aren't that bad at stealth and dodging
>noticeably different weapon aptitudes
>minotaurs are total dogshit at all magic and dwarves have schools they're good at
>evocations -1 vs. +1

BUT IT WUS EXACTLY THE SAME RACE!!!1

>>173883546
yes that sounds like an extremely interesting difference that will totally change the way you play the game

these dwarfs sound almost as cool+interesting as high elves

Is Cloak of Invisibility as op as I think it is on a MiBe? Does it actually make you invisible?

>>173884190
it must be evoked first

>>173884136
you shut the fuck up, HE were the only playable sword + bow race combo that wasn't retarded

>>173884190
Invisibility makes it harder to hit things if you don't have SInv

>>173884368
that's if they're invisible dicktard, not yourself

>>173884563
No, it's yourself too.

>>173884071
>dwarves get racial bonuses with dwarven armor
removed. also elven and orcish weapons and demonspawn don't get a bonus when using demonic weapons

>>173884291
>bow
ok i guess thats true, the only other race with such a high bow apt is Ce
>swords
this is stupid though
the 4 types of melee weapons all end in mostly the same otab gameplay (ok axes are different)
it doesn't feel at all like pcb where different classes actually do different things to fight things
every dcss character that does damage primarily with melee feels pretty much the same to tabtabtabtab with regardless of what weapon they use
the lack of variety in gameplay is a big part of why i got bored with it and stopped playing

>>173884939
Swords rely pretty heavily on your ability to riposte now. Otherwise, they're a little lackluster compared to M&F.

>>173884804
Except racial armor got removed after MD (fucking obviously).

And that's an another fucking retarded Removal Crawl Shit Soup dumbing down that they managed to justify because they had already removed everything using the racial armors from the game.

>>173885320
do you read post

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Bless the dasai reforges.

>>173885320
>removed orc, dwarves, elves and demon spawn
I didn't know that. Its not like everyone only used elvish ringmail or anything, regardless of race. That definitely wasn't a thing.

>having no rPois at the end of D15

How fucked am I?

>>173885320
racial armor ever being interesting or mattering in the first place<

>>173886310
What Lair branches do you have? Shoals is very doable without rPois, and Swamp is more annoying than it is dangerous without rPois.