/rlg/ - Roguelike General

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>tips fedora

>>173968803
>Hep piety

Probably not a huge deal, I guess.

How exactly does Battle Sphere work? Does it cast whatever you cast aka if you casted a lightning bolt it too would cast a lightning bolt or does it just shoot energy unrelated to your spells?

How the fuck do you guys enjoy nu-crawl
It's fucking shit

>>173970582

It's fucking awful. I want to speedrun the game because that's how I like to play but evokable teleport is removed, along with the best wands.

What a joke. Roguelikes are supposed to be about playing however you want to play but the devs are trying to push this stupid "hurr play how we want you to play" agenda. They can fuck off.

>>173971128
>Roguelikes are supposed to be about playing however you want to play

what

Just because that's a staple of *bands/hacks doesn't mean it's an intrinsic part of being a roguelike. Rogue itself was *not* a "play however you want" kind of game.

>you hear a sudden noise! You hear the screaming of an angry frog!

Is this real
Did xom just REEE at me

Hold up let me suicide real quick

>PCB drops deathsword/hammer of hell/living armour-drops depending on the symbol

Oh boy, making them 'x' made them stop dropping loot. My bad. Now their colour is more noticeable, at least.

>Disintegration doens't work on walls anymore
>no way in hell to do antisjummoning corridors
Are they for real

>>173973028
There's an option for making monster classes use the @. It's in the input options I think.

>>173973028
Make them 'x' in your pref file dingus.

>>173973170
Yeah devs are retarded
Its sort of possible to do something with 2, 3 charges of digging but its a waste of charges really

>the serpentine rune of zot is a mimic!

>>173973170
Just use digging.

Am a Conjurer and found a book of transformations, hydra n dragons n shit. Worth learning?

>>173975272
i think so, esp. useful in late game to fill up screen, soak damage, etc

>>173975272
Nope. Unless you want to become a tm.

Best god for draconian transmuter go

>>173975272
no

>>173976125
Chei

>>173970010
unrelated to your spell
It has its own damage dice
Spellforged Servitor casts spells you know instead

>>173976125
Most melee gods who ask little to no exp investment are good choices. Oka is the perennial choice, but someone like dithmenos would serve extremely well too.

>>173977660
Dith hates dragonform

>>173976125
Always Ru

>>173977710
I guess it depends on how deep you're going with the whole TM thing. He doesn't mind statue form at all, if you really want to invest.

Has anyone here finished Demon? What do you think about the difficulty? I played for a few hours ages ago and might get back into it.

>>173977835
Sacrificing things sounds scary, what's a good strategy

>>173978735
Sacrifice stuff you dont need

>>173978735
Artifice, love, resistances for easy 5*

>>173978735
big sacrifices are actually better than small ones

>he plays tonberries monks of nature

DrTM here.
I can kill things very quick with Blade Hands but my ac is pure trash so heavy/fast hitters are a pain.
What do, especially around spiny frogs, black mambas etc

>>173983907
statue

>>173970010
battlesphere's damage is unrelated to the spells you cast

you can put a battlesphere up and then spam magic darts for MP efficiency and the battlesphere will be doing more damage than you are

>>173958604
ranger has 5% minfail though
even if you grind spell proficiency to master level and get that sweet 3% fail... it's still worse than a scroll

meanwhile craft lets you have an infinite supply of branded arrows lategame and lets you run over earlygame because enchanted shooters are OP and don't even depend on having good stats to do damage
but then again if you wanna do that you may as well skillmaster, since they can use craft magic better than rangers can and can actually cast mana branding

>>173984259
>it's still worse than a scroll
Yeah, but scrolls are not guaranteed and occupy space.

>>173984375
...so do spellbooks

and scrolls of telelevel are pretty common, you get way more of them than you need. they're an item you want to HAVE AROUND for emergency purposes but not an item you actually use very often, like ?blink in crawl

>>173984439
>...so do spellbooks
I-
I didn't think about that.

basically realms with "emergency" spells like telelevel or bighealz are only really great if you can hit 0% fail on them

the kind of situations where you want to cast a 1000hp heal are the kind where you may die if it fails, and having a 5% chance for that to happen every time is way too high

You know what can't fail?
Potions.

I think I'm going to play a yeek alchemist to test out the class.

are rangers allowed to re-pick second realm like mages do? Though ofc they don't have 9999 extra spell slots so it may be harder and you'll want to avoid learning things you don't need as much if you plan to later swap.

In any case trump is still reasonable. Sure, craft has more direct combat power, but dimension door is super fun (I usually get it through sorcery realm myself though). Trump and Craft respectively having DDoor and Walk Through Wall is really nice combo with Wall of Stone. So is Death's Wraithform for that matter, though IDK if a ranger will ever have the mana to actually cast those two spells in one cycle...I guess you could rest inside your wall though.

>>173985056
yeah but there are also a lot of times that are less emergency where it's nice to have the effect reusably from a book. Destruction is a good example of this...I still carry a scroll of it in emergencies on characters that bookcast it, but there are a lot of utility scenarios where you have the time and space to bookcast it several times safely, and it helps you out. Ddoor for example is still really useful even at 5% fail, for chasing blinkers, setting up good engages, saving headache when you just want to jump to that room without walking the long way around, etc.

>>173985319
everyone with 2realms can repick second realm

If you're a mage you want the realm with your emergency escape shit to be realm1 though probably, and rangers always have nature as realm1 so that can't work

>he plays caves of quck

Alright so.

Alchemist sounds fun.

Restore life levels/resist cold/fire/boldness/restore stat pots can be harvested to get tier 1 potion materials, which in term can be used to craft Healing pots and restore mana pots (*really* good considering they spawn in both shops in large stacks almost all the time, that would make healing and restore mana pretty much granted throughout all the game).

Tier 2 chemicals can be harvested from statpots and are needed to make all statpots and *healing*. No chance of turning tier 1 chemicals into tier 2 chemicals at a high price for infinte statpots.

I'm trying to see if there's some pots that give tier 2 chemicals that can be found in a shop, but it looks like tier 0 and tier 1 are the only one available.

FLAOTrand here can confirm?

>>173987378
not floatrand but you can just look for yourself:
https://github.com/floatRand/PoschengbandR/blob/master/src/alchemist.c

only tier2 potions are stat pots, *healing*, life, *enlightenment*, exp, invuln, and newlife

*enlightenment* used to be tier1 due to an oversight so you could get infinite free int and wis

>>173985648
yeah though wall of stone still is good in many scenarios for enabling an escape

ooh !polymorph is tier1
make a beastman alchemist and have mutation fun

>>173987679
Good luck he caught that one on time!
Sadly that makes tier 2 extremely grindy to find.
>>173987862
But !Poly is kinda shit. I mean, muts in general are kinda meh at best.

>>173987998
!poly is not the same as polymorph activation, it jsut gives you random muts with no chance of racechange or statloss

>>173988072
Yeah, I know. I'm just saying that picking a specific race that's kinda shit just to get a shitton of random good and bad muts (and considering that there is no way to target bad muts to remove them, so if you go to Zul and try to remove the -2 speed one you might lose that +4 int instead) is kinda meh.
Unless beastmen can cherrypick badmuts? I haven't actually ever played one.

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>evaporating potions of detonation does 600 unresistable damage

I felt my dick twitch.

>>173988618
>can be crafted out of potions bought in town
that right there is some quality B A L A N C E

>>173988618
>600 damage
HIGH END DAMAGE

Mind you, they can be hurled to a bloke right next to you and they will not hurt you and also have a blast radius of... from the pic it looks kinda like 2,but it might be 3.
It's literally (figuratively) better than rockets.

>>173988761
>he doesn't know how to craft bombs out of stuff you can buy in a shop
Clearly, I'm just making thermite bombs out of etch-a-sketches.
Should have called it the guerrilla anarchist class.

You can start making those from level 35 too, if you have about 18/60 int.
Considering that a yeek alchemist has a xp modifier of 89%, that's about 200 K XP (or 2 xp pots).

Fun class.

>>173988787
600 unresisted is definitely high end
keep in mind that huge numbers on most combat is in practice a lot lower due to accuracy against high ACs, and similarly many high damage spells have a resistable element.

600 unresistable AoE damage is very good. See also: manastorm.

>equating fun with removing all challenge while simultaneously adding repetitious "crafting" tedium

looks like we've got a bunch of 2 (two) int minotaurs around here

Keepers of Secrets are something it's best to avoid, correct?

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>>173989828
>removing all challenge
>grinding is challenge

>>173989964
Always.
>hits to confuse, confuse, confuse, confuse
>breathe confusion for a shitton
I think they follow teleports, too.
They're basically greater titans on steroids.

>>173989970
Is that a yeek?

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>>173990135
Of course.

Though I do really like Floatrand's yeeks.

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How is centipede anon doing?

>>173990079
Thanks for confirming. I only vaguely remembered someone bitching about them in a previous thread and evoked stairs just in case.

>>173989970
I sincerely entreat you to undertake the quest to defeat the Serpent in the traditional manner, as playing poorly balanced "strong" setups is the most surefire way to lose interest in a game, being no challenge and hardly mentally stimulating

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Ah, damn. Forgot that you actually have to find the actual potion in order to make it and detonation is like level 60/80.
So, no early overpowered manastorm.

>>173990808
>taking games apart, analyzing unworked strategies, trying to see if something new clicks
>not mentally stimulating or challenging

>grinding and killing stuff over and over
>mentally stimulating and challenging

Never change, aralgee.

>>173991087
>players find the meta more interesting than the actual game

roguelikes in a nutshell - is this true of many other genres? Fighting, RTS, mobage...

>>173991087
There is a reason why most of the playerbase quit when they removed 500

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Yay, my deity Hilda gave me an artifact pair of ankle boots! <3

>>173991805
i dont think those lines are real ascii

>>173990285
the fuck is a YEEK? some tolkien shit?

I mean, think about it.
Android rune knight.
Tonberry monk.
Skillmaster of archery/craft.
Yeek anything.

These are strong classes because people found out something in the code that made them really strong. Except for yeeks, in their case it's just their acid immunity and fast leveling.

Playing the game the way it's "supposed" to be played is boring. Finding new roads is the best thing.

>>173991992
We just don't know.

>>173989765
>unresistable
it isn't shards?

>>173991992
made up by angband or moria devs because they wanted a monster for the y glyph
see also Quylthulgs

>>173992073
>it isn't shards?
Yeah, apparently it's shards.
>blastType = GF_ROCKET; dam = plev * 12; rad = 3;

other fun things:
alchemists have access to time damage through potions of decrease stat (and Ruination which does more damage)
They can inflict monster amnesia as well by throwing !amnesia, which is mostly inaccessible to the player (except as a rare time damage side effect) and is probably either OP or useless.

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>>173990412
Got a long way to go on this fugbug.

>>173992493
>and is probably either OP or useless.
I remember hex mages (or was it blue mages) could learn amnesia and it did fuckall.

decrease stat pots do something like 100 time damage at level 50. Hell, even restore mana does only 200 mana damage at level 50.
Death pots seem really strong, if the monster isn't an undead/demon/nonliving, considering it does playerlevel*200 damage. You could chuck one at oberon and oneshot him.

Honestly the only ones I'd actually use would be detonations and death. The other do sub-par damage even per turn by the time you can use them.

What kind of itemdestroyer should a beginner use?

>>173993240
The default one.

>>173993205
death pots do deathray damage
it's supposed to be enough damage to get an instant kill (just like the death ray spell in Death realm), but everything gets a pretty easy saving throw to avoid the damage and uniques are nearly immune

>>173993370
Just detonations, then.

Shuffled a hundred black markets. Couldn't find death/detonations. I did find nearly all statpots and experience pots and *healing* though.
Will try shuffling the potion shop in Zul to see if it's any better.

>>173993764
are you doing this shit in wizmode? just go be a melee guy in dungeons, you will find malpots eventually

alchemists even get extra bonuses to melee from !heroism and !zerk

>>173990412
God damn. Look at those plump cheeks. Look at those trusting eyes. Look at that firm yet pliant flower. I wanna fuck that wiggler.

>>173978248
I've quite a few wins, despite still being in alpha development or whatever it's my favorite roguelike.

I'd say difficulty has gone up slightly with the new release. Even a few of the experienced players that there are have died on tower:20+

What's a good class/god for Trolls?
Unarmed?

>>173993850

I could wizmode them, I'm just trying to see if someone can just buy those badpots early instead, considering they're level 60/80.

Wouldn't you know, the Zul shop sells badstaves and badwands, but no badpots.
So it is nice to have, but you'll have to grind for it in the deep end areas, probably mine or something.

>>173992073
Aren't quylthulgs the result of some dev falling asleep on his keyboard?

>>173993984
any class and any god except gozag
train unarmed/fighting/dodging 33% don't go ham on uc
raise int

>>173994002

Wait, my bad. They're level 40/80. That means I could find them while farming dragons.
Still, they look extremely rare.

>>173993984
Anything weapon/melee based is good for trolls, some spellcasting stuff are fine as well, wanderer is fine too i suppose
As for gods, anything goes except gozag, he makes shit unbearable, best one imo are, depending on your background, oka, trog, tso, ru and idk what else

>>173993205
>Hell, even restore mana does only 200 mana damage at level 50.
Angband variant math strikes again lol

What's an appropriate Easter class/race setup?

>>173997679
Pious demigod blood-mage.

>>173997679
play slex, i think there is a class based around throwing cockatrice eggs at people

>>173997969
Why pious?

>>173977710
Not if you're not a red draconian, right? Draconians become their color of dragon

>>173998885
regular races turn into a green dragon (red) that breathes fire. only draconians get a different color(colour) and breath attack in dragonform

>>173998745
It's the rocker class. They start with the "egg bomb" technique that can be used to create such eggs.

>>173998856
It's been a while since I read the book, but I seem to recall Jesus kept going on about that God person.

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>>173999605
what does that have to do with rabbits and chocolate eggs

>>173999303
Yeah, but does Dith get mad at draconians for becoming a quicksilver/iron/acid blob/swamp/etcetera dragon?

>>173999851
i don't know, probably he hates draconians on principle. i once played a draconian and worshipped dith before getting a colour, then at xl7 i turned into a red dragon and dith told me to kill myself.

>>173999979
That's hilarious
What was the message?

>>174000103
i don't remember, some snide shit

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Fuck, at least I could farm the shit out the Hoard.

>ironman quests removed
why

Has there been any word on the PS4 release date of Afterbirth+ ?

Anybody been playing cata? Haven't in a year now and was wanting to get back into it, wanted to know if there was anything major that's changed

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is there any chance ill ever find a better weapon? i started leveling axes,but fuck that

Is there anyway to keep ershigal from healing all the time?
Can she heal while engulfed?

>>174005351
>morningstar
into the trash it goes

>>174006174
Elos can easily carry you through 3 runes

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Does anti-magic actually do anything cool?

>>174005351
If you stick with maces you'll find a demon whip/eveningstar to upgrade to eventually

>>174005351
Just branch into maces. Skill 16 and you get eveningstars to mindelay as well.

>>174006174
Eos is pretty good early on. He's level 10 for fucksake.

>>174005848
Hitting her with Antimagic

Really, sometimes you just gotta teleport away and reset the fight. Caster AI in crawl is literally just RNG

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>>174005351
>is there any chance I'll find a better weapon
Yes, but Eos is a nice weapon all around and great for the early/mid/anything not elec resistant late game. However, I'd still much rather use the handaxe of elec for the cleaving effect which attacks all enemies around you and also procs the elec brand on them. The handaxe is also faster than the morningstar once you hit mindelay and elec brand works best on fast weapons. Not that the speed difference is that big, but cleave >all.
Hill Orcs also have way better axe aptitude so you'll hit 14 for the handaxe mindelay pretty fast. Considering Flails crosstrain with Axes, you'll also "increaase" your skill with them if you by training axes. Keep Eos for enemies like Hydras or powerful single targets.

>>174006174
You mean
>not axes
Into the trash it goes.

>>174005848
At that point of the game just fucking brute force her through melee + pot of might or spam level 9 spells like Tornado. I assume you character has good enough gear/skills if you are doing hell?
Also, why are Octopodes so much fun
Piss easy too

>>174006386
It increases your saving throw massively. You can't cast spells, obviously.

>>174006438
>teleporting against eresh
>in trunk

Reminder that you can net and netstab all foolords except antaeus and cerebov

>>174006386
the 15% magic resist is the big deal on that
Pretty sure that's just 15% less damage from every spell that isn't a breath or rocket.

>>174006485
>that rapier
holy moly
>non-statue stealthypode
good taste

>>174007730
there is absolutely no reason to ever not go statue on octos

>>174007778
FUCK STATUE FORM

>>174007778
It massively decreases your caster dps

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>>174007730
>>174007778
I only go Statue Form when stealth fails, and assuming the enemy is dangerous/lots of foes
After I finally manage to find the book and get it castable anyways
I once had to complete a Snake, orc, vault 1-4, elf 1-3 and the entire Depths without SF, it was very annoying but still doable with Dith, still lots of retreating which is boring af

>>174008110
Magic in dcss is mostly trash besides buffs or level 9s
Really, almost full melee is so much faster/better/easier even on Octopodes/Felids if you what you are doing.

>>174008190
I never really got into enjoying stealth because stuff doesn't go back to sleep

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>>174008375
Just go Dith
It actually makes it viable since the umbra increases your stealth by retarded amounts, thus actually allowing you to stab most things, including chain stab through multiple targets pretty much as soon as you start worshipping him with races that have great stealth apt/bonuses like Octopodes and the enemy accuracy penalty is really noticeable.

>>174008375
I never really got into enjoying stealth because I hate having to press tt to get fucking popcorn to stop wandering around not noticing me when I am TRYING to autoexplore but need to kill this fucking cockroach before I can walk in peace

>>174008898
>chei with a stealth race
the horror

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Why is ToME4 never talked about here? after recently beat the game and starting the dlc i think it's one of the best indie games ive ever played

>>174005298
Yes, much has changed. Lot's of surface level and char gen stuff, vehicles are way different now, recipes are different and some need to be learned or used out of books. Monster aggression and spawning was changed, so Swamps aren't total deathtraps anymore, it's very nice. Knife Spears are still GOAT, and found melee weapons can be fakes, which is hilarious when you pick up a broadsword and examine it and it's made from aluminium and does 2/5 damage or something.

>>174009295
reasons.

Also because sometimes shit gets a tad too complicated/bloaty in the worst way.

>mfw trying to understand hall of the classes, specially addon ones

>>174008314
You haven't tried high power bolt of fire, have you

>>174009295
this is not the tome4 general. to discuss tome4 you please refer to the appropriate venues.

Is PCB really a roguelike?
>fixed overworld
>stuff unlocks from one game to another

>>174009295
Tome4 was fotm a few years ago. But the game isn't very good, and also the dev removed one of the best unintentionally funny bits of the game because of sjw butthurt.

>>174009838
pulsating vulvas are still in?

>>174009919
They are commented out in the base game, but can be re-enabled.

>>174009295
ToME 4 runs like hot garbage and doesn't play much better. The disturbing tendency to get one-shot by dumb bullshit is annoying.
Also I hate the tiles

>>174010274
you mean i have to recomplie the game just to purge some juicy orc pucc (female)?

>>174010413
>The disturbing tendency to get one-shot by dumb bullshit is annoying.
So just like PCB?

>>174010493
Yeah but PCB is an Angband variant and there's no rng WoW boss monsters in Angband variants
You see all the bullshit doubleturn manastorm oneshots coming

>>174009810
it is only a roguelike with easy_lore on

>>174009295
ToME is good when played as intended. The problem is that people got tryhard and started playing NIghtmare and higher difficulties in Roguelike mode for dick measuring purposes and ruined the game because it was never balanced for those difficulties.

Getting oneshotted on Normal mode is pretty hard to do.

>>174009082
stealth is rolled per step and not per aut so chei doesn't actually decrease your chances of walking up to something and sleepstabbing it

>>174008898
don't press tt you dumbass just throw a stone at it
they're F R E E and are much better than shouting when you only want to wake one specific target

>>174010754
it's only a roguelike if you delete knowledge after every game

Welp, they actually did it.

The Tombhatch changes have been merged into the master branch, so it's officially in trunk.

Basically, rest in peace stairdancing in Tomb:

http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commit;h=a69911aa251697e01909d738e55b785008e68165

And hello to Tomb containing the most dangerous rune in the game.

>>174010894
>throwing stones
>not bananas
the pharaoh would be disappointed in you, were he still among us

>>174010894
The problem with chei is trash running away from you because they dont notice you and its impossible to catch up

>>174010894
>you throw a rock at the orc priest
>the orc priest shouts!
good job sherlock
long gone are the days of shoutless luring

>>174010964
>REEEEE STOP PLAYING THE GAME LIKE WE DON'T WANT YOU TO
>t. dcss devs

>>174010848
i once got oneshot as a brawler back before the class was reworked to actually be about wrasslin'

they used to just be all about "i have a prodigy that gives me a chance to punch whenever i attack and i have a skill that gives me a chance to punch again whenever i attack and i have a flurry spell that makes me punch 4 times in a turn"

there was some randunique with like 5 different elements of retaliation-on-hit damage. i pressed flurry at him once, punched a billion times, and instantly died

>>174010964
How the fuck are non optimal builds supposed to beat 8 greater mummies and 40 other little shits at the same time

>>174011213
It's like Bizarro Fist of the North Star

>>174011217
scum pan until 27 evo and get 4-5 boxes of beasts then spam them while you sit there hasted in tree form zapping heal wounds at yourself

>>174011213
Okay yeah, flurrying a thorns enemy is a pretty easy way to die. That's also a classic fault though.

Also is pugilism no longer viable? I thought they just buffed the Wrestling tree to be good as well. It's been a while since I played Brawler as well though.

>>174011217
Don't be a mibe and learn silence

>>174011509
shit i dont know i havent played tome in more than a year

>>174011560
Silence only works well if you can stairdance

>>174011213
You forgot to mention that you also wear gauntlets that give on-hit effects like breath attacks, or more attacks, so you'd attack 3+ times every turn while proccing acid breath and lightning and shit. ToME 4 brawlers are fun as fuck.

>>174011509
yeah that's a fault that you can avoid by just reading the enemy's character sheet before fighting him

the problem with tome is that the charsheets are so bloated that if you read every elite+ enemy's sheet before fighting it you will want to kill yourself before clearing 2 dungeons

>>174010964
Rest in peace, MuMo challenge.

>>174011217
Fire Storm + Immolation, Control Undead

>>174011213
You can set barrier rune to be used automatically when enemies are visible

>>174012065
MuMo is supposed to be in 0.15 anyway.

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>>174011217
~Immolation~
+ Mak or TSO and rn+++/Statue Form/haste/holy word
It was well known to be one of the hardest branches even before so frankly by time you do it you should already have enough skills to at least cast Statue Form or the rn+++

>>174011779
It would be nice if thorns was something you could just mouse over to see. Elites shouldn't be so strong you can't just Rush them once and and see if you take much retaliation, then flurry or stun and flurry (I'm pretty sure stun and daze actually reduce retaliation damage anyway). Randbosses are probably worth looking at though, but they aren't that common. I have a Skeleton Brawler win back in like 1.0.2 and back then I didn't even check enemy skills, just looked at their sustains to see what class(es) they are.

>>174011779
See, that's my biggest fault with ToME, aside from the horrible engine it's made in that lags like shit and leaks memory. I shouldn't need to do that shit. I should only need to look at an enemy if I've forgotten what they do.

>>174011509
Nigga brawler got upped like crazy.

Not because of wrestling tho.

>>174011429
>Zap heal wounds

ha ha

>>174013287
don't tell me they got rid of it too

>tomb has a giant loot vault
>its actually the last rune
why

>set up a large tent in a basement
>can't drag a chair in to sleep on
Fine, it's not like I didn't want to sleep on the floor anyway.

>>174013363

Yes.

Is the jackie chan god fun?

>>174013437
WHY
HOW CAN I CURE ROT NOW

>>174013543
potion
i think mummies got a racial power to spend maxhp on rot removal

>>174013693
WHY CAN'T MUMMIES ZAP
HOW CAN'T THEY ZAP

>>174013693
Mummies and Ghouls no longer rot at all
They get drained from mutations instead

At least mutations matter now. I like that.

http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commit;h=171fa7aa94bda3722a5ee8d9362f1bd6d0299696
What was even the point

>>174013852
did they remove !cmut as well

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PRAISE THE DARK
PRAISE DITHMENOS
Why is Dith allowed

When playing a Possessor in T4, is it worth giving up the ability to use magic from my corpses to get the bullshit fungus+solipsism combo going?

>>174013958
Yes. Now potions of mutation juggle your mutations, removing many, adding some good and then some random, possibly bad mutations too.

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>>174013875
Unacceptable! We're trying to make DCSS LESS like d&d, not MORE like it! Time to pay the Tavern a visit to make my valuable opinions heard!

does anybody have that gnoll subrace:electrocution brand post from a few months ago screencapped?

>>174013363
Alongside with haste and tele.

>>174014202
i don't know what that is but i'm instantly interested

>ask how non optimal chars can beat tomb now
>all the answers are go optimal
never change /rlg/

>>174014271
What do you mean by non optimal?

>>174014351
Non DE/Mi/Gr/Sp of not Oka/TSO/Makh/Veh

>>174014421
Pretty sure qaz can clear all of tomb:3 in a single disaster area

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>>174014202
>>174014247
here's a version from an archive

>>174014421
Only TSO or Makh are truly better than others in extended in my opinion.

What is your problem with tomb? I never found it too hard.

>>174014619
My problem with tomb is that they removed stairs

>>174014421
>have rn+++
>cast Statue Form
>quaff haste
>Immolation if melee
>Tornado/Fire Storm/Glaciate if caster
>good aoe god abilities like Disaster Area, Apocalypse
>other god shit depending on which you actually worship besides those you mentioned

>>174014547
That portal vault with a shitload of electohalberd gnolls is pretty nice.

>>174014543
>>174014749
>qaz in extended

>>174014543
>what are death curses

>>174014852
The only death curse that can kill you is resisted by rN+++

>>174014852
Death curses barely do shit now after they were nerfed

>>174014848
What, are you afraid of awakening every torment and smite spammer in the floor?
Literally just have good enough gear/spells

>>174014749
>cast firestorm twice
>4 greater mummies die
>surrounded by 8 death scarabs
>and 16 reapers with scythes of reaching
>32 bennus hear the noise and come to join the fun
>64 death curses trigger
>128 torments land on your rn+++ stoneform
>haste+slow
>try to blink+fog but wand of remember healing is removed
>resign yourself to death because you haven't learned ddoor or bjorgficatyion and swear to worship lucy next time so you would self abyss

>>174015314
Shucks chuck i thought you were a cool poppa, but i guess you're just an anus.

>>174009810

No but it's discussed here regardless because it's ascii; like how chess is hypothetically turned to ascii and suddenly gets posted in /rlg/

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>>174015314
If you are at the point you can cast Firestorm I'm pretty sure you can cast Necromutation and just laugh
The day they remove Necrobloatation is when the tears will finally flow

>>174015861
>dispel undeadx8
>you die

>>174015861
i need a .gif(webm) of someone casting tornado in this scenario

>>174014421

What does DE or worshipping Vehumet have anything to do with clearing Tomb as a caster? You know all the bloat spells right? Then just use them and cross your fingers you'll clear it. Clearing Tomb via caster pre-extended speedrunning might not be viable anymore but you only lose a few hundred turns travelling so it doesn't really matter and the only real problem is the loss of stairdancing.

>>174015087
What did they do to death curses? Last time I played, csplat was full of games where people tried to lichstorm tomb 3 and died in the process.

>>174016342
no more statdeath

>>174016537
stat 0 para is a death sentence in many situations and now that sustab was REMOVED it's even harder to avoid

>>174010492
You can uncomment something in one of the lua files or grab a mod. No recompilation is required.

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>>174016059
*reflects ur spell*
Heh, nothing personnel mr. caster

>>174016627
Except you now recover stats by killing stuff so it's barely noticeable
I use lichform to clear mega zigg mumscum floors and my stats barely take a hit

>>174016824
what's the most SH you can stack up with this thing? SH scales 3, amulet of reflection, tso shield/qaz SH bonus, that ice shield spell

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Dungeon black market vendor must be the worst job in the world.

does anyone have that trunk version where they changed the limits to the amount of stats you can find on items, so you could find a leather armor with +11 dex -7 str +9 int and with a bit of luck be like you had cheistats

>>174017724
You can still find randarts with up to +11 of one stat and a minor like ~4 or so amount of secondary stats

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>>174017681
Nice kicks, Iketa. 44 base should make the double manastorms all the more painful.

>bad day start in cata
>vet's office on map
>run to it
>no luck
>pharmacy discovered
>run to it
>no luck
>continues for two more pharmacies
>see doctor's office on map
>find stethoscope
>no antibiotics
>find room with four safes
>try to crack them all while fighting off stream of shady zombies
>first one, empty
>second one, aspirin
>die to infection on third one
reee

Please tell me how to have fun with Caves of Qud. Seems like the game can get really neat but I just don't hit that point.

>>174020465
True Man of melee hitdudes clan. Last time I played short blades were broken as fuck but I think they nerfed them.

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>>174020465
no

>>174020232
Should have used the stethoscope on the vet safe, they have a ton of stuff compared to doctor's offices for some reason.

>>174020232
You can cure infection with first aid kit

>>173968630

>be vampire enchanter
>switched god from Ashenzari to Yremdelemnul

This is 1000x better. Ashenzari is overrated.

>>174023530
>enter Zot/anything in extended
>Yred becomes shit
Sad really, considering how amazing he is elsewhere
They really should allow Drain Life to work on anything to make him viable on extended
Also Enslave Soul needs to have higher health/resists, I enslaved Asmodeus only to have him fucking die by his own minions, so much for the lord of hell

>>174023831
>enslaving gloorx
>shit

>>174023915
I had hopes for enslaving the ultimate enemies but when I noticed fucking Cerebov died to trash I kinda gave up

>>174023831

>being able to enslave lords of hell
>being able to see through walls

The first one sounds better to me.

>>174024042
Except your yred summons are trash for extended and corpses are pretty non existant so you gain literally nothing from yred besides enslaved souls which are made out of glass
For 3 runes Yred is amazing although as soon as you enter Zot your summons will be annihilated

>>174023970
Dont the demonspawns in pan have dispell undead

>>174023530

>Ashenzari is overrated

We rate it as beyond useless though

Wasn't Ashenzari good? I thought it was.

>>174024172

Ashenzari doesn't provide a good alternative though, and who else is there to worship that's good for a VaEn? Ash already starts getting shitty well before Zot, the skill transfer is nice though.

>>174024346
Dith

>>174024274

Ashenzari let's you transfer your skill (very useful), see through walls, and have clarity of mind.

Compared to other gods Ash doesn't offer very much. What ash offers is useful but on it's own kind of boring and not much.

>>174023970
>spectral things of gloorx
>80-128 HP
>dogshit resistance (only rC+, rN+++)

It'll be better if enslaved souls keep the original HP or resistance.

>>174024563
Ash should gift manuals.

>>174024274

How so? Scrying? Skill transfer? Clarity for 4 out of the gorillion monsters in Crawl that can cast confuse?
Virtually non-existent spell "increases" in exchange for indulging in a fiddly and tedious mechanic?

So... literally nothing? I don't get it, I don't see anything good for worshiping this bloat

>>174024678
>Virtually non-existent spell "increases" in exchange for indulging in a fiddly and tedious mechanic?
Dont even pretend you change gear outside of 1 ring slot

>>174024678

Uh oh, you know what it's time for....

IRAZNEHSA EVOMER!!!!!

CUT EVERYTHING OUT OF YHE GAME UNTIL NOTHING'S LEFT HUEHUE

>>174024678

One thing Ash is useful for is Shoals. Makes it a thousand times easier, just fly around as a bat and go to each stairs. Come back later and slaughter everything and steal items.

If DCSS supports add-on, which add-on will you install ?

>>174024938

Install the one that makes it good again. Make crawl great again.

Bring back the stuff they removed, they like to remove everything.

>>174024653
>Ash should gift manuals.

That'd be sick as hell, but it'd undoubtedly be removed. Manuals are too powerful to be regularly found, let alone gifted.

Plus it's kind of overkill since Ash boosts your skills. I suppose if the boosts were replaced with manuals, that'd be an interesting mechanic and potentially not overpowered.

What is the best overall god in DCSS then? TSO?

>>174025180
Mak
Trog

>>174024837

But I do, can't help it that you only have games that only have rings as swappables because you can barely get out of early game.

>>174024678
You accidentally get shitty manuals, like 10 manuals of Ice Magic in Ice Cave.
You learn Ice Magic while transferring it to other useful skills for +4 skill aptitude bonus.

>>174025180
I'm a TSO fanboy, so yeah.

Everything being Corona'd, auto SInv, rN+++ at high piety, strongest and most versatile summons in the game, reasonably powerful AoE invoke, Divine Shield, +2 blessing for a weapon, and healing on evil kills is amazing. TSO's only weakness is that he doesn't give you that much offense to start off with, besides the up-close haloing -- but even that extra accuracy can save you, when you're low-skilled and can't hit crap.

IMO, the perks of Makhleb require that you be strong in the first place. The healing from kills is the only real defense that you get with him -- it's not ideal for sticky situations. Indeed, Makhleb's invocations all hurt you a little bit, which can make bad situations worse. In comparison, TSO gives you a lot of offensive and defensive options, including at bare minimum the good gods' saving throw.

I'd say Trog gets the title of second best overall god. He's unmatchable in the early game, and he can carry even a complete fucking idiot to their first rune as long as they understand Berserk and use Trog's Hand in the right places. He falls off in the late game and extended, where groups of enemies are stronger and the Slow/Exhaustion from berserking is no longer acceptable. But the antimagic weapon gifts are superb.

>>174025180
Gozag

>walking scroll of acquirement
>easy to switch to another god

>>174026723
>ever switching
>not just bribing greater mummies, brimstone fiends and orb of fires

>>174015850
i posted chessrogue before once or twice

>>174027615
that doesnt really exist

>>174025180
Gozag for the early/mid, Mak for the late/extended
TSO is shit compared to Mak
>can't even zigg scum with TSO
Boring

>>174026723
>>174026723
>easy to switch to another god
But Gozag's the worst wrath by far
>literally berserking and hasting enemies on sight for a fuckton of time
>berserk gives enemies +50% fucking damage and haste
You do actually need to be good in order to survive his wrath unlike most gods

>>174024274
ash is is weak in earlygame because she does literally nothing for a longish time
earlygame is the time a decentplayer has the highest chance of dying

so ash and chei shit if you're a typical NA crawlplayer and only care about winrates and streaks
Koreans don't give a fuck about that shit and mostly care about getting lots of 15rune wins which is why they love chei so much more than Tavern does

>>174027813

Seems tamer than Trogwrath

Which roguelikes feel the most like an adventure as opposed to a dungeon crawl?

>>174013363
Alongside box of beasts

>>174027639
it literally does

>>174027902
god damn it, i loved box of beasts, they were stronger than pan lords at xl27 and attacked fast as heck

>>174027883
Trog's shit can't even see invis and it's just a matter of teleporting/blinking
Gozag will constanstly berserk shit upon sight
You better save the wrath for some tame branches like Elf
Doing Spider under jew wrath for example is a nightmare, same for Swamp

>>174027924
prove it

>>174027813
>Switch from Gozag to TSO in Crypt
>Undead can't even berserk
>1 hasted vampire
>tab
>auto explore
>another hasted wraith
>tab
>yay another mighted hungry ghost
>tab
Gozag's wrath is a joke

versus

>Switch from Trog to TSO in Crypt
>Slowed
>6 berserked durable summons suddenly appear at your position when you fight Mennas
>don't even get exp for killing them

i just realized the quarterstaff quote is gay as heck

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>>174028160
ok

>>174028065

>You better save the wrath for some tame branches like Elf

So it's quite scummable. Trog's forces you to use consumables

>>174028539
does trog still gift arrows and bolts? can gozag finance ammo shops

>>174024274
Ash was amazing when he let you firestorm people on the other side of walls

>>174028773
Yes
No, but there's always a fucking randart ranged weapon I couldn't care any less for on gozag's weapon shops

>>174028902
*she

>>174028902

Why can't you do that anymore? Can you even cast any spells through walls?

Picking off enemies one by one using teleport other would be very useful.

Ash seems so limited, like it could be something interesting but it's so dull it's not useful.

>play ash
>2 remove curse by lair:6

>>174029124
CLOUD SPELLS don't even last outside of player los anymore

http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commit;h=2ec8a9529e2f1a474dea17eadfe5b10d8d4c5d7f
Nice they are already nerfing them

>>174029318
>http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commit;h=2ec8a9529e2f1a474dea17eadfe5b10d8d4c5d7f
There's a Gnoll species?

>>174029519
yes they're the one with the meme -6 apts

>>174029519
New trunk species. Originally and intended to be called Cynos, they were implemented into trunk officially as Bultungin and, just this day, have been renamed again to Gnolls.

They start with very high apts (+4 across the board) that begin falling off by skill level 7, down to -6 apt at skill level 11 and beyond.

Reminder that the Wu Jian creator regrets ever trying to contribute to crawl

>>174029860
seems bloaty. why add a new species without even a clear niche? vs was well thought out and deserved to be included but it's also quite radical. at this point for a species to be worth including it has to be really different

>>174030353
>Wu Jian
The what?

>>174030389
Changing apts is extremely different
Frogs are the boring one

>>174030472
changing apts only makes it difficult to calculate how much skill it takes to hit benchmarks, it adds nothing to the game

>>174030353
Honestly, there's nothing stopping him from getting together with a major fork maintainer and creating a strong rival/alternative to mainstream Crawl.

>>174030353

The what what?

I was gonna run a demigod of Zeus high mage of Armageddon with cult of personality if NK did a nuclear test, but he decided to be a pussy
I guess I'll just keep screwing around with alchemists or suicide a lazy snotling called Kim.

> I split my time evenly between school, dreams, Avenie, and gender dysphoria

Guess which DCSS Tavern poster this is?

>>174030695

Is crawl open source? It would be fun to make a fork just to troll them. I don't know how I would balance the game though.

>>174031142
every roguelike is open source
But crawls tiles are not open source so you have to replace them when making a fork

>>174031364

R u trying to trick me agin?

How can the tiles not be open source? Aren't they pulled from a different game anyways?

Whatever happened to Magey-kun? He was a good guy.

None of the tiles are custom made
they are just all ripped from old SNES games

Wait what now, insn't Gozag considered terrible god choice?.

>>174031821
Why would he

>>174031142
>Is crawl open source?

https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/licence.txt

GNU GPL for everything but the tiles.
https://www.gnu.org/licenses/old-licenses/gpl-2.0.en.html
https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-3.0.en.html

The tiles are then either CC0 if the author gave approval (i.e. public domain, open source), or *not* under a license and thus not public domain or open source.

The list of what's not public domain is:
https://github.com/crawl/tiles/blob/master/TILES_UNDER_UNKNOWN_LICENSE.md

>>174031882
The posibility of finding overpowered gear is alluring, but isn't he unreliable?. What would be some good combos that involve gozag?

>>174032076
nethack isnt opensource?

How much Unarmed skill should you have so that punching stuff with Statue Form becomes better than a weapon?

>>174032498
12

>>174032334
Misworded it because I'm sleepy and stupid:

Public domain and open source are similar but not the same. Open source usually implies that it's "free software" -- you can freely look at, edit, and share the software and even just take bits of it (in the case of Crawl taking some of Nethack's tiles). But you *have* to do all of that for free, and your potentially new product must be free (and open source, I think), too.

Public domain means you can lift specific elements and sell them if you so choose.

So tl;dr:

Everything in Crawl -- code, tiles, etc. -- is open source. The only things that are public domain, as far as I can tell, are *some* of the tiles.

>>174032235
Gozag is unreliable in the same way that Tinder is unreliable for Rob Gronkowski. Which is to say not unreliable at al. You don't know exactly what you're going to get but it's going to be good.

>>174032334
>>174032981
And to answer your question, Nethack _is_ open source. At least, that's what its license seems to suggest:

https://github.com/Vanilla-NetHack/NetHack/blob/master/dat/license
(technically from 3.4.3, but 3.6.0 has the same thing)

But Nethack is not public domain.

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>>174032235
>isn't he unreliable
Not if you are a race that can use most slots
Armor shops are often the best choice due to biggest coverage of gear so chances are there will be something good
Weapon shops are also good but there's always the possibilty of finding something you don't have the skill for
There's often a randart or two on the shops, sometimes even more
Also the jew daze passive is great, and the pot petition works as a nice panic button

>>174033371
I had Dragon King Armour three games in a row mostly thanks to Gozag.

>>174030398
the god of silflanking

>>174035850
>silflanking
to silly

>>174031545
not all of the tiles are GPL or public domain
some are the intellectual property of their creators, so technically you would need the artist's permission to use them

>vodun mask
>mind/body
>freybug

How fucked am I, /rlg/? I've never played this before. What are some good starter combos?

>>174030353

That's what you get when you try contribute to a game with minmay, Lasty and their drones in it.

>>174032235
Jew gold passive is incredibly good, both for running away and getting free stabs. At a certain point, you have enough dosh to get 10+ potion petitions while you wait for high level shops. He gears you up in the end game to zig tier levels of power. Gozag is bretty good, try him out on a mummy fighter.

Is Infestation nerfed yet?

>>174038302
Is it really that good? I haven't had a chance to use it yet.

>>174038532
it can't hold a candle to haunt, but it's mp efficient

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>it's an irresistible, unavoidable ranged attack that repositions you against your will gets combined with an irresistible, unavoidable ranged physical attack on a self-healing summoner episode

You're on "The List" now, Typhoeus.

>>174039067
Mite b kewl. I honestly can't remember the last time a spell was nerfed in all honesty. Outside of being removed, which only singularity really warranted.

>>174039217
if i catch you talking shit about singularity (pbuh) i swear to god lad not even the devs could remove my fist from your ass

>>174039217
>honesty in all honestly
I shouldn't post when I'm tired

>>174039367
>naga kills anteaus offscreen with singularity.jpg
That shit belongs in PCB, with the rest of the bloat. Seriously though, it was in a league of its own. In a school that had no other damage spells no less.

>>174039175
Storm winds is such a bullshit element. Along with gravity and inertia.

>>174039428
it was a glorious annihilator of ziggurats is what it was m8, and they killed it ;_;
their own child, their own birth, bam, just like that lad. truly the devil's team

>>174039617
I mean, it killed literally anything and everything while you twiddled your thumbs in safety. It was really neat, but I distinctly remember thinking "Oh man, if ever there was something they were completely justified in ruining, it is this."

>>174039175
if you're in an ASC the storm winds will tele you out of LOS so he can't ruk you

is the agony spell ever useful? if something isn't resistant to negative energy a necromancer can already kill it 100 different ways

>helm of ares gives fear Immunity

Huh. Never noticed that before.
High-end artifacts should be able to give immunities different to AcElFiCo in my opinion. Just having confusion and fear immunity would be terrific.

>>174041608
Jellies get innate fear immunity. Pretty nice perk in my honest imho.

>>174041971
>Jellies get innate fear immunity.
On top of acid immunity, even. Jellies are pretty good for a monster race.

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jellies get Blindness, fear and acid immunity. My god.

If only the Shoggoth lines weren't fucked.

Seems like a decent monster race if you can get your hands on a lot of healing pots.

>>174042251
what's the final form like

>>174042692
Shoggoth. Their racial power if multiplication. I just ignore the j glyph and use @ instead since using monster races is confusing.

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>>173986682
Caves of Qud is my favorite roguelike.

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>>174043282
where can i go to get paid for shilling quck

>>174043928
Look at the look of sadness on that Fe chasing a raven.
He knows that he's playing an outdated version, but he still tries to have fun pretending it's nothing. He can't accept the fact that all his favorite features have been removed. Still, he tries.

Poor soul.

I've started playing CDDA and the amount of stuff in this is almost discouraging. There are so many outdated guides I have no idea what I'm doing. I reinforced my clothes, slept the firs tnight, got very hungry and thirsty and I went out to look around for a house to break in. Got to a house, got attack and mauled by one zombie that i led onto a rock. Game is super fun though.

>>174025180
Gozag/Fedhas early and mid, TSO in Tomb, Zin in Pan/Hells, Makhleb for Zigs.

>>174025180
Depends on the stage on the game, early/mid/semi late oka/trog/gozag/fedhas
Semi late/late chei/oka/trog/gozag/makhpleb/tso
Late/extend/other stuff tso/zin/makhpleb

>>174045162
tbqh gozag is the best god in the game right now, his weapon and armor shops just make you a beast by the time you clear lair

>>174030353
Why so?

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>outrunning rare lightning speed snake by using my rare snake body's lightning speed skill
Possessors on Insane difficulty are so much fun.

>>174045681
>tfw too brainlet to play posessor

>>174045681
Tome has the most hideous fucking tileset, and switching to ASCII doesn't even fix it cause it's inherent to the engine.

>>174044361

I'm in the same state except I don't use guides. I just pick up everything and stash them for now by category and just learn what they're used for later either by experience or by wiki. Seems like I'd know what I'd do by my own once I raise my overall skills and the number of things I can craft by books.

Can you still keep zombies off of you by burning rags to kill your scent in CDDA?

reminder

PCB is modal and not a roguelike
DCSS is a dungeon crawler and not a roguelike
CDDA is a game about smoking weed in your RV while using a vibrator in your fursuit so not a roguelike
Caves of Quck costs money and thus is not a roguelike
Tome is ugly as fuck and not a roguelike
Elona is shit and not a roguelike

reminder

Death is the only option

when will I be able to domesticate ants

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>haven't played dcss in a while
>decide to get back into the swing of things with an easy mfdk
>dk is gone

>>174047573

I only play real roguelites

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>>174047192
wan wan

God, I tried to play .15 but the low quality of the tiles just kills my eyes. It's like someone stuck a blurry lens on my laptop.

>>174047573
>dck is gone

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Fucking seriously man, did they change some ood spawns or what? This is a 2nd double headed ogre on this floor

>>174048453
>D:8
Doesn't seem like a problem to me.

>>174048453
Man up, it doesn't even have a GCS.