/civ4xg/ - Strategy/4X General

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>not being in /stelg/ 24/7 to make new threads

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>be militant chuckle fuck
>Vassal everyone because I can't be assed to deal with ethos bullshit
>Now have a good 7 vassals around me and they never show up to help when I go to war.

Should I just scrap this save and go back to being a a world stealing piece of shit?

are frontier clinics worth building? they seem kinda shit

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Now THIS is what I call an epic meme

>>173748029
Isolationists are always the absolute worst cunts.

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>>173748029

>>173748029
They aren't a fanatic faction for nothing. They really need to show what they consider restricted space

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I've been resetting the Infinity Machine event for hours and I'm beginning to wonder if the +10 research ending doesn't exist, despite what the wiki says. Has anyone actually managed to get it?

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>>173748106
>>173748120
>>173748151
O I'm laffin

Do yields from 'utopian living standards' balance out with the added mineral cost?

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should I go and kick the shit out of these condescending bird cunts? Upon discovery they immediately closed borders but still tried to survey my systems. I'm also the only person they've met, somehow.

Fucked if I'm going to effortpost and then leave it to languish in the old bread.

>173746790 #
>Yeah these massive new government and ethics changes are only lategame stuff

The faction system is:
A) currently horribly bugged, a'la permanent permanent opinion maluses on embracing, and government ethos attraction simply not operating at all
B) even if it wasn't bugged, it's bad design: pop ethics now do literally nothing but serve as a signpost for 'this goy may join this faction in future'. Why have two systems where one will do, either eliminate pop ethics entirely or return faction effects into ethos effects
not to mention the shitload of changes between 1.0 and 1.5
C) speaking of bad design: why tie leaders to factions if there's no real interactivity between the two. Again, bad design, as with much of Stellaris it feels like they were going for the illusion of depth rather than actual depth

As with many things in Stellaris, there's the outline of a good idea in here somewhere (if this gave rise to CK2 style politics where you desperately try to assassinate your own leaders as they forment civil war). But the barebones, buggy implementation renders it at best a marginal improvement over its predecessor. Yet too many people defend it because they see it through rose-tinted spectacles regarding what it COULD be if done right, not what it IS when it's done wrong.

This is my point: the 'improvements' exist, but they are vastly less improving than you would expect of a "continuous development" game like Stellaris that *supposedly* has a dedicated team committed to continual patching and balance, in contrast to the fire-and-forget vidya from when I were a wee bairn.

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>>173748553
> Should I foit
Uh. Yes? You'z a faggot or sumfin?

1-5 stellaris
6-0 get some backstory for my dnd character going

>>173748646
>Hey I haven't played in a year did they take out blockades or change the mechanics?
Yes, blockades no longer add warscore but occupying the wargoal planets adds more.

>>173748553
Do it lad

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>>173749127
>>173748852

alright I'm going in, just a shame I can currently only reach 2 of his systems. Never done war yet, don't know how feasible these goals are. It should be easy though... right?

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So how the hell do I win? All their planets are occupied and their fleets are destroyed. Is this a bug or am I missing something?

>>173748737
>B) even if it wasn't bugged, it's bad design: pop ethics now do literally nothing but serve as a signpost for 'this goy may join this faction in future'. Why have two systems where one will do, either eliminate pop ethics entirely or return faction effects into ethos effects

I agree but personally I would prefer if each ethic could have multiple factions, it's pretty ridiculous to assume that every single xenophobe or militarist would join the same political party and all want the exact same thing in an empire of billions or trillions of people. Alternatively, make ethics empire level only, determining the bonuses and flavor your empire get, and pops now only have factions and drastically increase the number of possible factions ( though maybe limit the number of factions that can spawn in an empire in one game so you're not dealing with dozens of factions each time ) and each faction would have different demands and prefer different combinations of ethics.

>>173749340
Did you work over their allies?

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Will colonising this planet piss of the military isolationist fallen empire in blue?

>>173748239
I got it once.

>>173749427
Yep, literally every planet in that alliance is occupied.

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Why can't I move here?

>>173749563
Welp, then white peace for what you got and get the hell out of there. Also make sure they arent back capping your planets

>>173747471
[BREAKS NON-AGGRESSION PACT]

>>173749321
If you conquer 2 worlds it should be cake. Bring 5-10 stack drop troops and a construction ship to build forward wormholes.

>>173749542

>50K fleet power
Why do you care if the FE gets pissed?

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>>173749793

>>173749756
I can't even white peace, this is the War in Heaven so I'm not in charge of the negotiating. They can't be backcapping because they have no ships left and no way to make more. Seems like a pretty major oversight.

>>173749425

I think there's too many factions already, personally. Or at least, faction attraction isn't strong enough that one of them snowballs.

I guess my basic problem is that after 500 hours this game is too easy for me and I want to be challenged. CK2 never (well, rarely) becomes like this because the bigger and stronger you get against external enemies, the more unstable you get against internal enemies. I say that the faction system has the outline of a good idea in it if you were always teetering on the brink of one faction getting big and civil war exploding, but in my experience this just doesn't happen in Stellaris; faction control is trivial in part because having a minimum of eight of them means your internal dissidents are pulling in eight different directions rather than one.

But I agree with you in principle that SOMETHING should change in order to make the system exciting.

>>173749542
This shit is driving me up the wall, seriously. I've tried reloading to before I finished the special project as well as reloading when he's sinking into the black hole to no avail.

>>173750069
Pull some pages from IRL. External empires should start promoting your most hated internal factions just to fuck with you.

>>173749741
What FTL tech do you have?
(The usual reason you wouldn't be able to move there is that Fallen Empires - of which that is almost certainly one - have closed borders 99% of the time, but it looks lile you already have some ships there so idk)

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>>173749857
>87 pop faction at 15% happiness.

>>173750448
It pisses me the flip flap off, I was trying to go for a super spiritualist psionic empire and the first faction I get is a materialist science one and all my pops become materialist. suppression appears to do fucking nothing.

>>173749857
> FE at 5.5 million fleet strength
Mods were a mistake

>>173749741
Active combat locks out FTL access.
It doesn't have to make sense.

Best game details settings?

>>173749542
Can someone blease resbond to my question here, can I safely colonise this place?

>>173750069
The problem is that factions feel meaningless because they're led by essentially faceless drones in a sea of faceless pops.
In CK2 you interacted with people. Imperial authority is supposed to be hereditary and yet there's no family tree, no CK2 style incest simulation.

They need to inject more CK2 into the game otherwise it'll continue to be shit.

What difficulty is best to play civ v on?

>>173750960
1 above the default

>>173750960

King is hard enough to be fun while AI boosting enough to keep them in the game. Just move up a difficulty once you start curbstomping the current one.

>>173750814
Well since you're stuffed full of mods to get a 5.5mil enemy empire, how do you expect anyone else to know if these mods have also tweaked their aggression settings?

If you were playing vanilla and that were a normal Fanatic Xenophobe fallen empire, then yes, colonising that planet would probably get them to DoW you.

>>173751136
None of my mods effect FE ai, otherwise I wouldnt have asked.
>colonising that planet would probably get them to DoW you.
okay, thanks

>>173750814
save scum and try you fucking sperg

>>173750069
>I think there's too many factions already, personally
There's only 9, one for each ethos with Xenophobe having two, and that underlines the fundamental problem, factions are basically the same as ethic, except sometimes pops with the same ethics as your government are still pissed with you because your chosen government system or policies doesn't match their specific demands. Currently there no real reason to have ethics and faction be separate.

>I guess my basic problem is that after 500 hours this game is too easy for me and I want to be challenged.

I get that too, and I think my method helps solve both problems. Make it so that pops have choice between a large number of factions so that even your ostensibly ethically loyal pops might start getting unhappy, but limit the total number of factions that can possibly exist in the empire at any one point so you don't have to deal with 1000 factions as once. Make it so that factions can disappear after being becoming unpopular enough for long enough to be replaced by a different faction from other ethics or a different brand of faction from the same ethic, and alo maybe make it so that factions who's demands remain unmet increase in unrest over time, rather than a flat minus. Finally make unrest harder to deal with, currently you can just fill planets with armies and never worry about rebellion. I think all of that will go a long way to making internal politics matter.

Is there a better feel than dismantling a frontier station and your borders not shrinking due to it?

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>>173747356
Would you?

>>173751767
Doing that but with a Gaia World stolen from a Fallen Empire.

>>173750960
>>173751079
I endorse this post.

>>173751771
No physical interface.

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If I infiltrate a pre-space age civ, does that give me their planet and its population? I kinda want these weea-shrooms

>>173752476
Yes.
It's "replacing" the governments with lizardmen and having them sign over sovereignty to you.

Democracy or Oligarchy?

>>173751356
A lot of the problems with factions not being damaging enough I think would be helped if pop growth / migration were tweaked.

The basic problem is that it feels like planets fill up too fast. In my current game I declared a species as Undesirable, set purge to displacement only, and they just sat there because every planet (in my 1.25x habitable worlds) galaxy is already full in 2300.

As it stands at the moment having a low population is basically no disadvantage at all because growth is so fast and amply supplemented by migrants. Expelling undesirables carries basically no downsides as they are replaced with happy citizens nearly immediatly.

How does this tie into factions? Unhappy pops should gtfo asap, leaving your worlds as economically depressed ghost towns that take centuries to recover. Whereas what happens now is that in the rare cases where they CAN gtfo, they are immediatly replaced, probably improving your economy with a happier replacement, and if they can't gtfo all that happens is they give you an un-noticable -50% production to one tile and unrest that can be trivially countered with one defensive army.

Disposable pops drag so many other mechanics down into the muck with them.

I mean, from a "Swedes are cucks" perspective it's kinda refreshing when physically removing subversive elements from your nation (by exile or the gas chamber) is legitimately the best solution to internal political problems, but from a gameplay perspective I feel the disposability of pops kinda kills the "hard choices" meme.

Fanatic purifiers kind of suck tbqh, you can be just as big of a cunt as a normal authoritarian or xenophobe empire, while also having a few options to play nice. You can kill all the aliens after you've made some alliances and put yourself in a position where you're untouchable

>>173752340
What do you think the tentacles are for?

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>>173752764
>No Spiritualist-Democratic Government Ethos

The Democratic Crusaders hate Holy Tribunals, which I guess makes roleplay sense.

>>173752340
Just have to genetically integrate a few flesh species into the hivemind to fix that problem.

Having serious trouble doing well in Utopia, for some reason. I haven't been able to get a good foothold in the early game, and by the late game there's just too much of the enemy for me to seriously pose any opposition, making my late-game contributions to the extragalactic threats/AI rebellions/stodgy old man shitflingings, pretty much negligible.

Thing is, I'm not really sure what I'm doing wrong compared to pre-expansion. I'm doing the same things I would to expand ASAP, but the techs and planet distributions keep fucking me. Is there a new strat to expand fast, or am I just stupid/unlucky/both?

>>173753309
Build tall and conquer baby empires to secure an edge.

>>173753309
For a lot of people its not knowing when to expand. usually you wait for colonization then build a colony ship instantly.

Most important thing early game is getting your economy up. I adivse forgoing the expansion traits and go straight for energy and mineral traits

>>173753193
I'll integrate my dick in you're butt senpai

>>173753309
After mining your initial borders, Rush Frontier Outposts. The Fastest way to boost your economy is to grab more areas to mine. Cheapest way to do that is to outpost.

Ignore research installations until you have at least +20/month minerals.

Use outposts to isolate your neighbors to keep them weak. They will probably colonize, so make sure you are at least keeping pace with the colonization game.

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Well, I guess spess elves game is rip. No way around this war score bug that I can find, and since the War in Heaven is stuck I can't declare war on the Peacekeepers to get away from them - so I can't declare war on anyone else either.

>>173753037
>Trying to force the Tall meme even harder.

>>173753309
They reduced the default number of planets and increased the AI's mid / lategame aggression and added consumer goods, which leaves you more susceptible to shit from the RNG in the early game and puts you under more pressure (both military and minerals) in the midgame.

So while there's not really much different you can do expansion-wise, the metagame is to exploit the OP traditions (specifically Planetary Survey Corps) in order to gain an advantage over the AI. When he's too lo-tech to dare attack you, you can get away with a smaller (but higher quality) fleet and THEN put more resources into expansion.

Basically just take Planetary Survey Corps and then everything else takes care of itself and you can continue as normal.

>>173751771
What mods are those? The visuals and traits I mean.

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okay, so 2 fallen empires just woke up near me. Will i get my shit pushed in if i dont pick to be their subject? Im a leader of a federation with a okay ally to help me out.

>>173754003
>They reduced the default number of planets
They really feel too sparse now. I've seen maybe four planets with my biome type in a century. It makes it stupidly difficult to claim needed resources.

>>173753940
I fucking hate the tall meme and wish tall players would get it through their thick shell-like skulls that the game is too boring and the political situation too stable already; encouraging turtling makes a bad situation worse, not better.

What I want is a game where being groß is the winning strategy but *staying* groß is nontrivial.

>>173754338
tall =/= turtling.

>>173754338
> He doesn't go on a tall warfront forcing his slave vassals to fight all his wars

>>173754150
Yeah, you gotta pick one and lovingly sandwich his dick between your... tributes in exchange for protection.

Getting angrily spitroasted by both is not a survivable position.

>>173754579
That's not tall. There's barely any difference between that and how sectors work.

>>173749425
One of my games nobody but factions who seriously opposed my ethics formed, in my next game nobody but those who loved my ethics formed.

???

I didn't even focus on government ethics attraction in the second game, so I really don't understand the system right now.

>>173754074
>Spectra Colors
>Either Flags : 'Emblems & Backgrounds' or 'Backgrounds: Big PixeL'
>Synthetic Portrait Pack
>Diverse Rooms.
And others that I used in my other empires.

>>173754450
It is in Stellaris.
Because there's no non-military-expansionist ways to interact with the rest of the galaxy.

Give me an espionage expansion where you can forment rebellions in your enemies, then maybe tall=/=turtle.

>>173754745
>>173754074
Oh and the Traits are
>Extended Traits
>Proxima: Traits

>>173754691
Not the guy you are replying to, but it is. Tall doesn't mean you don't wage war. It means you expand your empire upwards instead of outwards. Yes anon, even your favorite playstyle is still very possible with a tall build over a wide one

>listen to eve online music while playing stellaris
wew it's like I'm leading empires in nullsec

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>strange factory on planet that gives +3 mineral/energy
>later in an event it blows up
>new flavour text - "we can only choose to salvage the energy or minerals"
>choose minerals
>the factory just sits there damaged, I repair it and it goes back to being +3 mineral/energy

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It works like a freaking charm, guys.

>>173755342
>Believed*.

Sorry, I was typing in a hurry, I guess.

>>173754962
>Yes anon, even your favorite playstyle is still very possible with a tall build over a wide one
Not in Stellaris.
Without the resource income of a wide empire you can't afford either the minerals or the tech costs of habitat spam, which defeats the design objective because habitat spam was SUPPOSED to be the thing you do when you can't go wide.
Once again, Stellaris devs failed to understand their own game. The fact that they never playtest these things to find out if it actually does what it's supposed to is really starting to get old.

>One habitat produces 160+ power
>Only takes 3 to get 400+ power
>costs like 10x more to get a Dyson sphere
Paradox what the hell are you doing

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>dangerous planet with frequent asteroid impacts

Time to send in the synthetics, surely they won't mind r-right?

>>173754962
>It means you expand your empire upwards instead of outwards
Vassals are part of your empire. Learn the definition of empire.

>>173755554
"Dude roleplay lmao, why are you doing cost-benefit mathematics in a fun space opera game, nerd?"
-t. Paradox

>>173755520
>Without the resource income of a wide empire

I've got plenty of resource income with my 3 planets and a few tributaries. My tech and unity rush means my economy is miles ahead of everyone else, as is my fleet.

>When you can't go wide

It's a thing you can choose from the start of the game. Tall isn't a fail safe to keep you relevant when you get boxed in. Its its own thing entirely.

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>no option to control the number of pre-ftl species in the galaxy
>no way to start the game as one of a handful of races who reached space age in a young galaxy still filled with life
>you cant effectively be a fallen empire as a different game starts when the numerous younger races finally reach the stars
For a game based around RPing autism they really limit your scope in what you can do

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>>173755798

>>173755813
I guess the argument could be
>But thats 3 habitats which means 12x3 pop and 3 planets fucking up research and unity
But then to that I would say
>ITS THE FUCKING END OF THE GAME AND I STILL DONT HAVE MEGASTRUCTURES

Megastructures should be an early game tech, not a late game one. They should be something like a wonder, that drains the living fuck out of your resources for ages but once you complete it provides a huge bonus. There is no risk/reward to megastructures at the moment, they are basically irrelevant except for the sensor dish.

>>173754716
>One of my games nobody but factions who seriously opposed my ethics formed, in my next game nobody but those who loved my ethics formed.
That really shouldn't happen since factions are based on ethics and you starting pops are all from the two or three ethics you picked, so the faction that form should reflect that. Why you might get a majority faction that disagrees with you ethics is because ethics divergence works different now. Conditions of pops are the primary driver of ethics change, pops who are slaves or live near slaves become egalitarians, pops that live near aliens become xenophiles, going to war make pops militarist, being at peace for a long time makes them pacifist, etc.

Basically if you get factions that hate you it's probably something that going on with you empire that's causing it, but it could also be that faction attraction is broken right now.

>>173755842
>I've got plenty of resource income with my 3 planets and a few tributaries. My tech and unity rush means my economy is miles ahead of everyone else, as is my fleet.
Well it's a shame that habitats cost minerals and not unity then, isn't it?

>>173755889
>It's a thing you can choose from the start of the game. Tall isn't a fail safe to keep you relevant when you get boxed in. Its its own thing entirely.
No, the devs literally wrote in the dev diaries that it's supposed to be something you do when you get boxed in and locked out of tall.
If it's not doing what it was designed to do, then it is a piece of failed game design.

>>173756339
Guess you missed the part where I said my economy is fine

>>173750686
Authoritarians aren't that good but I love being able to slap bitchy pops in chains, though it's kind of a pain having to micro them into farming or mining since you can only use caste slavery on your own species now.

>>173756397
>Guess you missed the part where I said my economy is fine
Unless it's "fine" enough to be well on your way to habitats on every celestial body in your territory and megastructures busily underway, then habitats and megastructures are not fulfiling the role for which they were devised.

I feel we're talking at cross purposes. I'm not trying to say that tall play is impossible or impractical. I'm trying to say that tall play is boring and noninteractive, and the fixes (habitats / megastructures) designed to make it less boring and noninteractive turn out not to be relevant to tall play because they're too resource intensive.

More "Paradox are shit designers" than "You are a shit player".

How long does it take for the recently conquered happiness mod to go away?

>>173757016
It was 25 years... some versions ago, idk if they changed it lately though.

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>tfw

>wormholes setup across enemy territory
>they peace out after losing
>wormholes instantly obliterated
>can't go home with fleet
wtf prdox

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HOLY FUCK

I purified four races, and the entire time these fuckers were watching me. They purified as I purified. We were the only two left, both of us had swallowed the arm and a quarter of the galaxy. I knew it was gonna be me or him. And my god I wont it. It took almost all of my ships, and I had to sacrifice my transports, throwing them in between my fleet and the wormhole station.

But more are on the way. More ships, more men.

SPACE MOTHRA FOREVER.

>>173757646
You actually can now, click "return" on the top bar of the fleet viewer and it'll tell you "No route home, go MIA?"
Click yes and they'll vanish from the map to reappear on the edge of your territory some time later.
You may wish to split the fleet up beforehand, because the MIA time scales with total fleet power. I once did it with my endgame 4000-power doomstack and it took like 4 years.
On the other hand the fleet costs no upkeep while it's MIA, so maybe you WANT economic solvency for half a decade.

>core_radius_perc = 0.25
># Core radius is 30% of the galaxy radius
>.25 is 30 percent
what the fuck paradox

>tfw waiting for all your mods to be updated

>>173757862
ah, thanks

>>173757862
I hope you mean '4000 energy credits'

Is a +8 to ship firing rate a significant boon?

are there any mods that prevent the AI from discovering anomalies? sick of them pinching my precursor events

>>173758017

Have you ever tried making a custom solar system? The placement of planets is fucking annoying. You have to guess every number and where 0 degrees starts on their wacky backwards compass. Most annoying thing I've ever done only once.

>>173758205
Yes, it is 8% faster

What other kind of answer did you expect?

>>173758131
4000 fleet capacity, my bad

>When you bap the Unbidden on the nose for trying to expand your way, so they turn around and begin to consume the massive Empire of assholes that thought they were so much better than you

WHO'S LAUGHING NOW? GET... uhh... What do the Unbidden do, anyway? They hunt and feast, but on what?

>>173758264
The kind of answer that takes into account whether it's worth a civic slot.

>>173758348
Your ass.

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guys i can only get one which should i get. stellaris endless legend or civ 5?

Is the weapon tech from the Unbidden worth using?

>>173758353
Depends what other civics you've taken already.
The 8% is a flat bonus to combat so it has the advantage of never being irrelevant. It's kinda mid-tier. It could be very useful if you're currently in a close arms race with someone. Otherwise it's just sort of "one more on the pile"

>>173758648
Philosopher King and Mining Guilds.

My other considerations are Nationalistic Zeal for the 10% border size, Cutthroat Politics for the +1 Influence (I currently produce about 3), and Efficient Bureaucracy for more cores.

>>173758514
Assuming you can get the expansions as well, Civ 5.

Otherwise Endless Legend.

>>173758514
Endless Legend is the most fun by far.

>>173758526
No.
It's a worse version of disruptors, and disruptors are already worthless.
Incidentally you can get the same tech off FEs, it doesn't have to be Unbidden.

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>>173758814
>philosopher king

Ah yes, this +6% unity and -10% edict cost

>Place some ships as scouts to orbit planets I plan to colonize so they don't get ninja'd from me.
>Load up a game and spend <2m at normal speed
>The system I'm in the middle of building a ship for is being colonized by some other empire.

Alright guys, are there any mods that can make me designate ships that give off alerts or notifications whenever a neutral unit appears within their sensors? I'm sick of my plans being ruined because I don't instantly remember everything I had to watch when coming back to a game after a day or three.

>>173758814
For starters >>173758975 is correct to mock you, We Wuz Kangz is awful.
Not knowing your ethics idk what options you really have. Even with dictatorial authority I found Cutthroat pointless because influence-farming factions gives me more blurple than I can use.
By process of elimination then, you should go Guilds, Bureaucracy, and Zeal

So what happened to purging in Stellaris? Am I only allowed to kill the entire population of a species now, or is there some way to not do that?

>>173759195
Is increasing ruler skill level a bad thing?

Ethics are spiritualist/militarist/xenophile, wanted to conquer people without slavery/genocide for once.

>>173759320
>Is increasing ruler skill level a bad thing?
It's not literally counter-productive, but it's *almost* worthless because the things that ruler skill affects are not very useful even when buffed.

around what year do these doomsday memers appear?

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I spawned with the technosphere already inside my borders.
What do?

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Is there a way to fix the circled part in pic related not showing all my ships?

>>173759906
you need lebensraum
blow it up

>>173759954
Seriously though, what do I do? Never done technosphere before, this could be a boon for me so early on.

>tfw you get to that part of your game where you basically won and you're just going through the motions

>Stellaris

I just wasted, like, ten fucking in game years waiting for this one pop to grow so I could resettle it, and when it was finally fucking done growing, the planet I was going to resettle it to was full.

Oh, fuck me.

Did they ever fix that bug where a pop would stop growing if there were no other pops of the same species on the planet? I could have saved myself a lot of trouble if they had and I didn't know about it.

It seems to me like missiles and torpedoes kinda suck now. I used to like them a year ago when I last played, but now it seems like kinetic weapons are the top shit. Any tips for weapons and shit?

>>173760023
When did you think I wasn't being serious?

>>173760057
I haven't done technosphere, how do I kill it?
I'm nationalist fanatic purifiers.

>>173759913

Have you tried keeping your fleet upgraded?

>>173760025
bump up aggressiveness and difficulty to hard

>>173759241
Yeah, purging and slavery got a complete rework, now everything that applies to one pop of the species applies to them all.
It annoys me because I always liked to keep at least one pop of them around, so they can bear witness to what happens if you cross Muh Empire.
Can't do it now, so I have to instead ruin my economy by building a floating menagerie of colony ships from each race before I purge all their billions. They can watch the genocide-fires from orbit before being shipped off to Space Prison in the remotest black hole I own.

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What am I in for?

>Remove Hotkey? Decline/No

wot

>>173760096
It's tough as shit.

Talk to the Curators when you find them, they can sell you a damage buff against the Sphere and tell you if you're capable of taking it on or not.

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Help me

>>173760143
It is fully upgraded I have ships of the same classes with different weapons in the same fleet.

>>173760045
>Did they ever fix that bug where a pop would stop growing if there were no other pops of the same species on the planet?
Yes, that is possibly the one gameplay bug that did get fixed.
> Any tips for weapons and shit?
The BEST navy is one that uses technology from the Enigmatic Fortress, so if you encounter it, crack it like a nut.
If you don't, the best ship is a cruiser with plasma medium weaponry and kinetic battery large, shields and shield capacitors only for defence.

>>173760217
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Py_IndUbcxc

>>173760315
I'm fanatic purifiers, so while that is good to know, it doesn't help me here. Do I have to fight it? I literally just started, no chance I can actually kill it right now.

>>173760317
Communicate with it and help that fucker out. It'll take time but you get some excellent rewards from doing so.

>>173760317
Be nice to it, you get the best reward by helping him out

>>173760337

Plasma, eh? Upon first glance, I would have thought Disruptors were the better of the two. Am I missing something?

>>173760417
Volunteer to help its research, and then send a level 3 scientist to do its project. Then you get given another project with a level 5 scientist. There are multiple endings to the quest, but I'm pretty sure they all involve the sphere just fucking off anyway.

>>173760435
Disruptors and plasma are the best combination, really. One destroys shields, the other armour.

Or just stack kinetics, which basically do both things at once.

>Wimar Drift
>Weimar Drift
This has to be a sign
First the Sphere, now this. I am truly destined for greatness.

>>173760435
Don't even try to figure it out from first principles. Weapon effectiveness is determined almost entirely by factors that don't get stat'd, mainly "What the enemy AI likes to build most often" and "How Paradox (badly) scripted weapons' targeting priority".

Someone actually console-spawned fleets of specific builds and did the scientific method on them until the statistical winner emerged. And it's plasma-kinetic-shield cruisers.

>>173760317
Find The Worm That Waits. It'll help.

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>>173760768
Fuck, forgot SC

Know what this game really needs? A way to predict how borders will look in colonies/frontier outposts.

>autistically place an outpost to expand borders
>it doesn't connect

reeeeeeeeeee

>start game
>your homeworld is the farthest one from the main path of the galaxy
instant restart desu

Why have I noticed a resurgence of people using Warp FTL since 1.5 and Utopia?

I thought the consensus was hyperspace for aggressive and wormhole for defensive?

>>173761057
The problem with that is that colony borders change with planet population, so what doesn't connect today may connect in a year.
I share your autistic hatred of exclaves, but this is one case where Paradox's apparent laziness actually comes from.them NOT being lazy when they designed it so the system is now too dynamic to sensibly predict.

ok i only been playing the game a few days, so I have to ask, is there a point to defense stations? Do I park them next to my worlds for added defense or do they actually do more than that?

What kind of slavery do xenophobic empires typically chose when controlled by the AI?

>>173761234
The short answer is that Utopia has brought in a fresh crop of noobs and casuals who don't know what they're doing.

The long answer is that hyperlanes got nerfed in 1.4 so now they're totally trash in all cases unless you're playing a forced hyperlane game.

>>173761382
Warp is great for swarms of science vessels on auto-survey, making it arguably better than wormhole even for tall/defensive empires.

>>173761057
The problem is that it would be very complex to implement this

>>173761157
the what now?

>>173761517
>can't accress half the galaxy because border block
>put down wormhole
>can now jump across empires

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>waiting around forever for an crisis (2340 but have all techs and pumping through repeatable)
>get bored and colonise near military isolationist to my south
>gets mad but never declares war
>make my first defensive pact of the game (2340)
>the FE declares war on my ally even though he is pretty far from his border
>take out one of the FE fleets
>go back home to repair damaged fleet
>unbidden suddenly spawn right next to my southern border

This couldn't have come at a worse time.

Also there's an independent synth nation in another empire. I thought that was the crisis because my synths had been causing a ruckus about 40 years ago, but I guess not.

>>173761343
Defence stations are acceptable in the very early game where a couple of hundred extra fleet power can prop up your homeworld against an early aggressor.

And they're the lynchpin of a niche strategy to cheesily defeat runaway Awakened Empires in the very late game with flower arrangement snare fortresses.

In all other circumstances they are absolute trash and you should never build one ever.

>>173761343
Defense stations are absolutely fucking boss

If you're playing hyperlanes only

Personally in a system I need well defended I slap down a station with a magnet to pull ships onto a station and my fleet, and a second one that provides those increased armor regen and reduced enemy shields in a corner somewhere

did beyond earth ever get good?

>>173761632
An empire small enough to jump with one radius of a Wormhole, but also able to block half the galaxy somehow?

>>173761517
Good point, I didn't consider in the wisdom of choosing warp just to minmax PSC.

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>>173761623

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>>173761783
it's a perfectly lovely spot

>>173761783
But being on the edge is comfy!

>>173761736
Have you never been boxed in before?

>>173761912
Only when I've used hyperlanes, now that I think of it.

Do you need to pick xenophobes to have battle thralls?

>>173761902
>>173761843
maybe I'm too autistic for 4x
I always reseed if I don't get a favorable spot
I know this is basically cheating but it's the only thing I can't stop doing

Are two traits, with one fanatic and other normal, always better than 3 normal?

>>173761726
lol no, they've completely dropped it. They haven't even acknowledged it since Civ 6's announcement.

>>173761997
In any RTS or 4x, if I get surrounded I become anxious. I'd much rather have one side devoid of anything, even if they means less resources at the start.

I'm too scared of overly aggressive AI who cheat

>>173762060
I got too many unhappy factions last time I went with three normal, so I try to stick to two

>>173762128
>They haven't even acknowledged it since Civ 6's announcement.
Although they did do a mini-update so Beyond Earth's title screen now shills Civ VI at you.
> This is what we meant when we said lifetime support goys :^)

One thing I really like about robot playthroughs is how easy it is you can hand over shit to a sector AI. Don't have to wait billions of years for pop to grow and buildings to finish, can just queue it all up at once and then turn it over.

>>173762249
Disable migration / pop growth and you don't even have to buy all the robots yourself at the start, the AI buys them for you gradually.

So, I want to play as my peaceful cabbage and wondered what Traits/Government/Ideology I should pick?

I'm thinking

- Nonadaptive
+ Quick Learners
+ Talented
+ Charismatic

Fanatic Xenophiles and Pacifist

Indirect Democracy

Also, how do factions/alliances work? I want to make the "Milkyway Union" out of democracies in space and Keep Peace(R)

>Pacifist Xenophobe
>boxed in
>can't get out because can't declare war
what do

>>173762552
You declare a liberation war or keep insulting a bitch

What build is the most likely to make a nightmarish slaving regime/species that expands rapidly, and enslaves/dominates/bullies anything it sees near it?

Is it safe to declare rivalry with a Fallen Empire?

>>173763089

Yeah, they won't care enough, they'll just see you as some upstart shitbag.

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Despotic Empire
Collectivism, Militarism and Xenophobia
Decadent, Adaptive, Rapid Breeder

Bonus points for Swastika and WH40K mods to complete your fedorampire

>>173763369
To
>>173762698

Do i burn or study the migrating forest ? i dont want my 2nd colony to become a holocaust

>>173748029
It's because of the frontier outpost. Same thing happened to me at the beginning of the game. I destroyed it straight away. The little brown shitstain on the map got sandwiched between the Fallen Empire, me and ally and couldn't expand. When I took over his territories it didn't count as spreading my borders towards the fallen empire.

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>Can't find any more Alpine planets.
Why are they so rare?

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>>173764459
forgot pic

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Just spawned with this within my borders.
The fuck?

>>173765308

FREEEE crystal forged armor

>>173765434
When I can build a 5k strong stack to clear it out.

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Fuck there's another one

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On the upside, they are guarding a size 24 gaia world

>>173765761
<holy world>

>>173766193
Holy worlds aren't random. Prophet's Retreat (the 25 one), Walled Garden, Shining Emerald, etc.

>>173765761
> they changed the surface background for Gaia World
> they changed the outliner symbol for ringworld
These things should have been fixed in 1.1 - hell, they should have been fixed before launch - but better late than never.

If you build a frontier outpost inside your border rather than in a strategic location, does it just extend your overall borders as if you just took another planet?

>>173766949
Yes

>>173761662
Aren't flower fortresses a good idea at any tier you can afford to build them?

>>173761343
they cost waaaaaaaaaaaay too much for how massively ineffective they are.

Mod the game to drop their costs by 75% and they become mildly useful.

Alternative get a new ship mod, the one I was using before the patch (not sure if it's updated yet) added massive super fortresses that can actually stand against enemy fleets.

>>173762409
Alliances don't exist anymore, just non aggression pacts, defensive pacts, and federations. Most of the time people don't want to join your federation for whatever reason.

However, if you have charismatic, xenophile, and the defender of the galaxy ascension perk, you can rack up some pretty serious positive opinion bonuses. If there is a crisis going on, people will be even more willing to join your club. I've even managed to get into a federation with an awakened empire.

What's a optimum number of ship ratios?

Currently using
1 Battleship - 2 Cruisers - 1.5 Destroyers - 10 Corvettes

>>173761343
Place them on borders, generally on a world you think is definitely going to be attacked first.

You know how your fleet gets completely retarded and slowly drifts to that shitty little mining outpost, all while there's a huge enemy fleet coming towards you?

Well you can emulate that. Make them far apart from each other so they engage the enemy fleet one by one. The only thing they're good that is buying you some time and trapping the enemy.

Note that they cost maintenance, die very fast, and cost 4 naval capacity.

>Played 1.5 without the namelist bug
>Suddenly the namelist bug is happening
What the actual fuck?

So what are the best traditions and ascension perks to get asap? Discovery seems sweet because of the planet survey corps and prosperity looks good in overall. Perks i like the border range and i guess the unity buff?

>>173768546
It's situational. If it looks like you have 2+ colonisable planets nearby, Expansion. Otherwise, discovery. If you don't mind delaying survey corps a bit, grabbing the Prosperity opener is really nice.

Either way, opening tradition is a toss-up between Expansion, Discovery, and Prosperity. Ignore everything else.

>>173761157
>>173761783
>Elliptical
>Start in the farthest system from the center.
>No other system in my starting borders.
>Systems close by are so spread out outposts would be useless and I'd have to build them much farther away.
>Only 5 systems within my wormhole range anyway.

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PEACE

LOOOOOOVE

>>173768993
HE'S BRINGING LOVE, BREAK IT'S LEGS

>>173768546
1. Expansion or Discovery
2. What you didn't pick in 1, Harmony, or Prosperity
Supremacy is situational if you want to territory grab or are going fairly aggressive from the start.

>conquer alien world
>enslave population
>turn it into a sector
>alien scum starts revolting
>literally have 0 time to react and send in psi death squads
>they immediately rejoin their former empire
>i have a truce with the empire so I can't reclaim my clay

The fuck

>>173769430
should've stationed some troops there

>>173769631
If micromanaging troops wasn't a chore I would have, I have around 10+ slave worlds I prepared the armies to get there but I forgot along the way

There should be an option for a full on EXTERMINATUS on rebelling planets to pacify others

>>173767589
>Aren't flower fortresses a good idea at any tier you can afford to build them?

When facing conventional enemies in a semisymmetric conflict you're always better to put your money into ships.

It's only if the enemy is so vastly bigger than you that it's essentially impossible to ever beat them in a doomstack-on-doomstack battle that you need to resort to unconventional warfare.

To be honest I feel bad about doing it even then because it's clearly an exploit that relies on the AI's poor fleet movement decisionmaking and the combat system's *drifts slowly towards u* retardation.

It's only one step above using console commands to just delete the enemy fleet.

So Apparently Ive handicaped myself by supporting spiritual faction. My empire (militarist/egalitarian/spiritual) was getting all kinds od diffrent ethos from factions, making them more unhappy (even with pluses to gov ethics from ethos and exalted priesthood). i wanted to support my most happy faction (spiritual) to make my population more happy. I fucked myself because IT changed my ethos to fanatic spiritual/egalitarian and now i cant changed IT back no matter how hard i try. I support military party, try to make them more happy but they just sit at 10%, is theres any better way to do IT?

>>173767732
Xenophile Awakened Empires generally love the idea of joining a Fed if they woke up because of an end game crisis.
I don't think any of the other three will ever join one.

>>173769953
You have to wait for 20 years to reverse your embrace.

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>help! I embraced this one faction and now everyone is converting to them!
>pic related, their dick-ass leader

>>173747356
hey OP, we use our threads efficiently like good native Americans, and we never have two new threads made

>>173769953
You have handicapped yourself, it's a bug.
You piss off all the other factions by embracing one but their happiness drop is supposed to wear off over time. However, it's bugged so it doesn't.

Regenerating Hull or Crystal Infused Hull?

>>173767862
My standardised fleet is 20 artillery battleships, 5 strike craft battleships, 40 cruisers, 80 destroyers and 160 corvettes

>>173751771
how can you stand playing that many times?

>Mods out of date yet again
Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

>>173770197
I'm not.

I'm creating a lot Empires simply out of fun and because I want to see them spawn every once in a while.

I haven't even finished a single game of Stellaris yet.

>>173770153
Have you found a Living Metal ringworld? If so you don't need regenerative hull because you already regenerate.
If not then the answer is still no, more health > regen health, but I just thought I should point the above out.

>>173770323
They made strategic resources a passive bonus in most cases now, right? Used to be they were all space port buildings.

>>173761157
>instant restart

kys cuck desu senpai baka

>>173770150
So minuses to other factions dosent go away at all? Its 20 years already, im supporting militarist and still they dont grow.

>>173770417
Correct, although the change came months ago when switching from 1.2 to 1.3, and now we're on 1.5.

It's a change for the worst, now there's no
> "strategic use of a limited resource"
and it's just
> "lol build whatever u like wherever"
but nevertheless, there it is.

>>173770496
Oh, that's a DIFFERENT bug, that government ethos attraction percentages do fucking nothing.
Basically the whole thing's a shitshow and anything you do on the faction screen is only going to make it worse.

PATCH WHEN

>>173770741
10 minutes ago

>>173770807
Really?
How convenient.
Does it fix cheevos?

>>173770879
doesn't appear to

https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/banks-update-1-5-1-patch-released-checksum-8818-not-for-problem-reports.1012633/

What does Efficient Bureacuracy give me?

>>173771129
+2 core sector I think, so an extra 2 planets to have

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>>173747356
guys is it possible to manually steer your empire without sectors in stellaris? (even with penalty?)
I have a feeling that sector AI is just retarded.

Please help someone who normally uses auto-completed ships. Are auto-cannons a straight upgrade from projectiles? I used to use missiles despite knowing from here that they aren't great, and holy shit are projectiles better.
But now need to know if I should switch to autocannon or stay with the coilgun. Both are level two.

>>173771312
>Not terraforming a bunch until your core sectors are all 4+ planets systems.

>>173771368
You can get a mod that increase your core planets to 999, effectively disabling sectors. But the micromanagement is annoying, your right side panel gets overbloated, and because you get all resources/research directly you tend to get a little bit overpowered.

>>173771536
I really wish terraforming wasn't such mid-late game thing. All I want is a comfy space exploration game where 95% of space is empty, and I have to make the most of what I have with terraforming and the megastructures.

>>173771482
Stick with the cannons.

>Alpine world gets the "flat" anomaly
this is just weird

>>173772161
It's a world of mesas.

The Mastery of Nature ascension perk seems sort of lacking compared to everything else.

Does the old DLC work with stellaris banks?
im not getting arachnids and shit show up on my dlc list

>>173768625
I have 70k of each research stored thanks to discovery tree. I basically doubled my research speed just from having a few science ships zooming around all game and not accepting any star chart deals.

Started hitting multiple repeatable tech within a hundred years, after having colonised 19 systems.

Might need a nerf desu

>>173769953
>>173770000
It was bugged until just now, apparently they fixed it in the patch

>Be Military Dictatorship, leader is grand marshal
>Enslaving my own kind to farm / mine
>Find relics of gods
>Religious renaissance happens
>now an imperial cult/police state, now my leader is God-Emperor

oh god why, my race was just a simple humanoid boar, now i'm god emperor.

>>173771368
The sector AI *is* retarded, there's no question.
The usual solution is that whenever you colonize / conquer a planet, you pause, assign ALL the buildings you want built, sectorise the planet, unpause. Turn off redevelopment on the sector options and the AI is not given enough leeway to fuck up.

>>173771616
You can at least get closer to this feel by reducing the number of habitable planets to 25% on galaxy setup.

>>173772929
I've done it with .25 habitable worlds on largest system size and only one alien.
It isn't for everyone, but it is comfy.

How do I pirate Utopia if I own the game on steam?

>>173771616
It's 2240, I've already terraformed one planet and I'm terraforming a second one. The first had 24 slots and is inside my borders, the second 22 and is outside, but I want to terraform and colonize it to avoid being boxed in too soon.
Doesn't feel like a mid/late game stuff, desu.

>>173773106
Read the thread.

>>173771616
Didn't they move it to early-mid game now? I was offered it as one of the starting choices in a new game.

>>173773110
>>173773134
I should also mention I am an autist and need to wait for Gaia terraforming.

>>173773160
>I should also mention I am an autist and need to wait for Gaia terraforming.
lol

>>173773160
Why.
There's at least 4 techs that give +5% habitability, terraforming planets to your homeworld's standard is enough to reach 100. Long before you even unlock gaia terraforming.

>>173771616
>I really wish terraforming wasn't such mid-late game thing
Learn how to game the tech tree and it doesn't have to be.
Society research grants + encourage free thought + hiring colony-tech-focused scientists will both make research faster and stack the deck towards you drawing terraforming.

Since the tech reveals gases and liquids I expect that the probability of drawing terraforming also requires you to have those resources within your borders, which is partly the luck of the draw and partly an inducement to expand.

>>173773253
But then they aren't perfect

>>173773312
If the biome keeps filthy xenos away while allowing your own people to live in their own eden, then yes it is perfect.

I wish it was possible to restrict slave growth, but allow one more pop to grow at will.

>>173764529
Number of habitable planet got reduced in 1.5

>>173773857
> ywn ban a billions of people from sex
> except when you command it
> and then it has to be sex in the missionary position for the express purposes of procreation
> and you only do it when you want more children to consign to a lifetime toiling in your mines and picking your cotton

>>173756442
What?

Since when?

>>173757262
>That science.
>LaughingReekling.jpg

>>173772232
It's probably the strongest 1st ascension perk you can take

Save you a fuckton of money and tech. Obviously the perk itself doesnt scale well into the lategame, but the jumpstart scaling it give you is fucking huge

>>173774525
Highly agreed. The advantage it gives you is so high I always struggle to pick a second perk. They always seem tame by comparison. The research boost is nice, I guess?

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> 1.5.1 out
> o boy now maybe shit will work
> hope I can get my cheevos
> boot up Stellaris

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>>173774786

>>173774768
Interstellar Dominion is good, so's Imperial Prerogative if you play with core limits and sectors. The +10% research boost kinda sucks.

>>173773010
I'm going to try this sounds so comfy

>>173774786
>snibbetihegemony
>snibetti
fug

Do slave armies work on world with slave unrest?

>>173773010
>>173774951
The "no clustered start" mod lets you set the opposing aliens to 0 if you want.

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>>173775056
They were muh cute little crabs

My ships are getting chewed through for some reason. I don't remember them being fragile in previous versions, but now any time I'm in combat I have to then make up for it by building more ships, rather than having any fleet stamina at all.

>>173773125
thread doesnt say shit

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science fuck yeah!

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Reminder that William Shatner is an admitted visitor of the 'chon, should we ask him to come here and we can tell him how shit Star Trek is? He's admitted to shitposting in Star Wars threads.

>>173774768
I imagine the 10% research boost would work very well if you set your species and Empire up for it.
F. Materialists, Discovery traditions first, intelligent and talented traits, encouraging free thought, etc.

>all of my communist species no longer have collectivist

REEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>173775419
you lazy piece of shit lucky I'm such a giver

>>173593867

>>173775598
>he's watching you masturbate

kek

>shitposting in Star Wars threads

kek, also he supported Trump and there are a lot of Star Wars threads on /co/- I wonder if he's the origin of plenty of /pol/posting over there?

How hard is it to code sector AI that just sticks buildings on matching tiles?
It doesn't even have to do fancy shit like position mines for silo adjacency bonus, it just has to not stick power plants on empty tiles when there's a fucking power tile right there.

>>173775890
Is the +5 core world ascendancy worth it? It's the last slot for fucking around. I need the last 3 for voidborn, circle of life and galactic wonders.

>>173775990
Didn't mean to reply

>>173775990
I really like it. Gives you a lot of room to build up before sectoring off planets.

>>173771482
Depends. Autocannons are great fighting corvettes and pretty good against destroyers. The regular railguns are solid all around weapons but the key thing is their better range. Personally, I stick autocannons on corvettes, give them max speed and use my cruisers and destroyers with railguns. Battleships are kinetic artillery ships, maybe carriers if I want to feel RPish. Also, torpedoes are pretty tits. Don't underestimate a swarm of corvettes with torpedoes and autocannons.

So armor vs shields, is it still bring both on battleships and shields on everything else?

>>173775517
Your fags seem unhappy.

>>173776419
I go full Psionic Shields on everything.
They blow Hyper Shields out of the water so you're at least doubling your ships hit points without sacrificing performance in any other areas except armour.

>>173776593
Can you still get uber enigmatic fortress stuff? It had the same stats

Can you get enough border friction with FE Keepers of Knowledge that they'd get pissed at you and invade?
This galactic arm's nearly empty between me and them, but right on their border there's an unciv world I could invade.

How does one fight back against a faction attacking you that has a larger fleet than you can ever produce and maintain? I keep getting wiped out.

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>>173776883
They don't seem to have any border friction at all as long as they aren't the fanatic xenophobe/militarist FE.
You can keep building frontiers on their border to push them back and steal their shit.

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>>173774786

>>173776916
See >>173761662
Build snare stations to trap their fleets, exploit the AI's tendency to chase one fleet doggedly across the galaxy by luring them away while other fleets take over their worlds

>>173757862
> MIA fleets are free
I smell an exploit! Wormhole tech sounds a lot more fun now.

Send help, my slaves pop are growing really slowly now. They used to grow at about the same rate as my citizen pops, but right now I'm looking at a slave pop and it's getting +0,12 a month for growth while the free pop on the same planet gets +1,08.
Most those slave pops are rather happy too, at more than 50% happiness, one pop is below but I'm building a paradise dome there so it'll be above 50 soon.

>>173776952
That's really, really dumb. Good to know tho.

>>173777676
Err... build more farms?

So, you can build a ringworld in a system with a ruined one. It will replace the old one once you get the frame up and you will lose any research stations you had.

>>173777847
I've got a food surplus already. Some planets are in the negative, but even on worlds that export food, the growth is real slow.

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Fucking xeno scum rewriting history. They attacked ME

>>173777847
Oh fuck I just read food isn't equally shared, and the species with the most pops gets the most food, so they grow faster. Fucking why.

>>173778021
>the reich
>third reich
>germany

>not die sternenreich

can't you wehraboos at least learn some rudimentary deutche sprachen?

Is there a reason not to set the food stockpile to maximum? I'm new to this sort of game so I don't know if there's any downside.

>>173778216
when you have a full food supply pops grow faster, a low stockpile means you can reach it faster, downside is it's easier to starve

>>173778130
I actually took German in high school, I just don't like arbitrarily changing the names of some nations to the native language and not others, so I'll stick to English.
The Reich is just what I thought a world-spanning Third Reich might call itself.
Also I wanted to do a fanatic purifiers game and couldn't think of a better excuse to play Naizs.

>>173776419
Armor wins in a straight up fight unless your enemy uses plasma. Everyone uses plasma. Shields give amazing hp regen for that long lasting endurance.

Shields are great but the costs add up BIG on your tiny ships so it may be better to skip it.

>>173778272
it's not world spanning, it's interstellar, it's literally a star empire, the naming convention should be obvious

>>173778357
At the start of the game it's world-spanning.

>be fanatic materialist
>get the "worm in waiting" anomaly

I thought this one wasn't supposed to fire for materialists?

>>173775990
That's usually the first or second one I get

>>173777676
>happy slaves

Look away, look away, look away Dixieland

>>173775739
>previous thread
well thanks, but it wasnt in this thread

What are some decent human reskins for Stellaris? I'm trying to make an Imperium-like race but I can't find any mods that fit the aesthetic. Also, do black people even exist within the WH40K universe?

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just a prank bro

>>173778543
>the worm killed my scientist

RIPIP fuck psions

>>173778834
There is the one black inquisitor hero in the Dawn of War original campaign. Also Salamanders are supposed to be black I think

Generally completely unrepresented and good riddance

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Give me a complete beginners race set up please.

>>173778796
There :
Somebody posted this last thread.
>

Threadly link so if people ask where they can get the dlc you can just tell them to read the fucking thread and not argue with them

http://www90.zippyshare.com/v/gDMkjgdk/file.html DLCs

http://www19.zippyshare.com/v/yjKoILir/file.html Crack

For steam users- copy the creamAPI folder contents into your main stellaris folder- overwrite. Ignore everything else. Don't touch anything in the INI. Copy all the dlc folders into your stellaris dlc folder. You're done.

>>173778976
Wouldn't be surprised if they were considered some form of Abhuman

>>173778976
>Caring about what colour someone's skin is when you're besieged on all sides by aliens, insane supersoldiers worshipping evil gods and demons

>>173779320
obvious sign of chaos desu as evidenced by history, better get the commisar than worry later

>>173778834
There are all kinds of semihuman mutants in 40k

>>173778962
Since I'm a materialist am I just pointlessly feeding scientists to the Worm or what?

>>173779320
This. Stupid underclass people are perfect for the frontline. Why would you deprive yourself of manpower?

>>173761539
> Complex
It can already calculate the borders AFTER the station is built. Why not calculate the borders BEFORE it's built?

>>173778989
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>>173778834
>Also, do black people even exist within the WH40K universe?

why wouldn't they?

>>173778834
I pick "what are the salamanders" for 20$.

>>173778976
>Also Salamanders are supposed to be black I think

not black in the sense that you're thinking of

>>173779721
If I remember right, the inquisitor in Dawn of War is a nigger. A real, brown one, not a coal one like the Salamanders.

>>173778976
>>173779709
>>173779721
Aren't they supposed to be black, like color black, #000000, not black people black?