/indie/ - Indie and Obscure Games General

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Who said dealing with nobles was risky?

Nice.
I'm gonna go play more Rain World.
In other news, since /igg/ is still deader than the Rimworld General, I'm also now idling 50 Hours as Titan to dig up their 2 Artifacts in Realm Grinder. R27.

>>173665214
How small is too small to be rolling around for early game stuff?

I'm dead set on ironmanning, so I'm total party wiping a lot...

>>173665438
I stopped playing realm grinder mostly when they did the graphical update, and there's only been like...2? significant content updates since then.

Dragons were kind of interesting but the new shit doens't seem interesting enough for me to go up 2 Rs to 60

>>173665510
>>173665214
Uhh oops, I mean party size, if that wasn't obvious.

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>decide to finish a naked shovel run
>also got credit for not buying a damn thing
>somehow also managed to speed run it
As much as I give the default mode crap for being basic, it's not bad, it's just the other two modes just have so much more going for them.

>>173665549

They actually went and added dragons? I stopped playing just before the graphical update, and ave no intent on returning. What do the dragons actually do?

>>173665549
To each their own, I suppose. And yeah. Lineages at R60, extra Research Slots at R70+.
>>173665707
Dragons are the equivalent of Dwarf/Drow, but for Neutral Factions. They have ridiculous grind requirements that take weeks at a time to do for max potential.

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>>173665510
Well there's the minimum recruitment limit for the first mission. 8-9 is a good starting party, just fill it up with cheap beggars and give them each a crappy round shield. You'll loot armor off bandits. I wouldn't take the get 12 members ambition early on since it becomes a bit high on upkeep but you can push 10+ if you're in a nice cluster of cities with lotta contracts going on.

>>173665707
They're neutral prestige, like everyone and their mother expected.

Their gimmick is their unique spell can do 1 of 5 things, but it's supposed to combo with spell tiers (they added spell tiers, you can unlock casting multiple of the same spell at once) and let you do better shit.

It was sort of interesting but I'm not really into it anymore.

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>>173665798
Whoops. I forgot to attach the image of my slugcat in the Leg about to embark for Underhang once more.

i need more pearls
where are the pearls

>>173665978
>>>/trash/

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>>173665108

>>173666039
oh
i haven't found the trash yet
i went from outskirts to industrial to cathedral
it's very dark here

Can you get A (or S?) tier guns in shortcuts? I think I've got a pretty good set of guns and I don't want to re-reoll if this is the best tiers I'll get

>>173666120
it was a joke about steven universe
i don't even know what game you're talking about

>>173666120
>>173665978
Lol. He's making a Stephen Universe joke.
Anyway, there's 12 of them. 1 per area.

>>173666275
oh
i thought you needed, like, three any time you wanted to make friends with scavengers
i sure hope that dude i gave one to at the entrance to cathedral was a dude i needed to give one to, twelve is not very many

>>173666275

Are there `generic` pearls you can give to the scavengers without having to steal them back later, or are there strictly 12?

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>Play a hunter run to just play the game normally
>0 key drops
>even MORE key doors

>>173666421
>OH. Pearls in general.
>>173666573
Yeah, there's dozens of Pearls in various places. There's only 12 unique Pearls which hold special lore that Moon can tell you about after getting some Neurons back.
You need to give her 4 Neurons for her to be able to full read some Pearls.

>>173664938
>he actually thinks playing more floors puts him at a disadvantage
>he doesn't go for master rounds
>he doesn't see how having a bigger pool of better guns would make spawned enemies less of a problem
>he's fucked

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>>173667015
>>he doesn't go for master rounds
I do, and you get 1 hit of health, which is gone soon.

Not to mention that every other item in the game that gives you a heart container doesn't give you an armor as robot for some reason.

Even if you've got good guns you're still likely to get hit on you're way there, so why not just cut out the middle man.

I've gotten close too, it's just that he KEEPS SPAMMING KNIVES

>>173667159
okay. feel free to keep "cutting out the middle man," not like I've ever beaten this game or anything. you've clearly got this whole thing figured out. after all, that's why you posted right? to show that you've already learned enough to beat the game every time you play? or did I miss something?

>>173667674
Sorry mister king of the gungeon I'll remember to personally felate you next time I post about the game.

Going through the game without getting hit is possible yea but I don't really want to play an even worse version of blue baby in a game where you're even more likely to get hit. It's a shitty class and I don't really want to play as him outside of killing his past.

>Dance just out of reach of a yellow lizard for like 3 minutes
>Eventually nabs me in a shitty tunnel
>Drags me back
>Gets eaten by the giant blue death tentacle demon
>Also eats me instantly
>Tries to eat an orange passing by
>Flings it into the abyss below
>Then flails about, clinging to the platform from below
>Before flinging itself into the abyss
Alright then.

>>173667802
no one's telling you to go through the game without getting hit once.
you assumed that, frankly because you're a fucking idiot who doesn't know how to play.
floors are resources.
you are willingly abandoning resources.
resources are how you win, until you are ACTUALLY good enough to never get hit while using basic guns, AKA use shortcuts. And even then, shortcuts eliminate your chance at being boosted. Why the fuck are you playing the game if you don't enjoy playing it?

Quit being a faggot and try the resources available to you. Shields drop from room clears, brown chests, and master rounds alike. They still show up in shops. If you weren't SKIPPING FLOORS you'd have money for them, or for guns and passives to get you so boosted you don't need them.

>1 hit of health, which is gone soon.
toxic attitude, enjoy your lost hits. your vision becomes your reality.
there is no difference between having 1 hit and having 10 hits if you are playing properly. keep this in mind, dry your salty baby tears, and play well until you get your shields back like anyone else. You have the single best starting pistol of anyone in the game, fucking use it.

>it's a shitty class
how about you save your opinions on things until you know how to use them, friend?
everyone hates robot until they win a run with him and realize he's the most rewarding character in the game. if you wind up disagreeing with that ok cool but at least you won't be talking baseless shit anymore.

>that gif
>he KEEPS SPAMMING KNIVES
please make sure to focus the knives. I know. It hurts not to focus the dragun. But the knives are what's fucking you, not the lizard. Kill the fucking knives dude.

>>173668290
>toxic

>>173668290
>>that gif
>>he KEEPS SPAMMING KNIVES
>please make sure to focus the knives. I know. It hurts not to focus the dragun. But the knives are what's fucking you, not the lizard. Kill the fucking knives dude.
That gif was from la few days ago, and I wasn't complaining about the spamming knives part there. I'd show you the footage I was talking about (where I focus the knives and they are then immediately replaced) but I deleted it and I don't know if this is in recycyle or not.

iirc what I was trying to do in the gif was just keep one of them alive so both wouldn't spawn, and it was going good for a while

> Shields drop from room clears, brown chests, and master rounds alike. They still show up in shops. If you weren't SKIPPING FLOORS you'd have money for them, or for guns and passives to get you so boosted you don't need them.
I would if the drop system in this game wasn't mostly fucked, even without playing robot. I tried doing normal runs for a while and they were all shitty. I'd have to get something amazing like clone and junkan or something.

>how about you save your opinions on things until you know how to use them, friend?
>everyone hates robot until they win a run with him and realize he's the most rewarding character in the game.
please explain to me his upside, because outside of a better than average starter item (and a +5% damage boost from junk, which you probably shouldn't even go for most of the time) he has no upside (battery bullets are a joke, as is the bottle of water)
or do you just mean "rewarding" as in "Woohoo I beat a game with the worst character!"

also
>Why the fuck are you playing the game if you don't enjoy playing it?
i enjoy the game a fair amount, i however don't enjoy playing as robot because he makes the issues I have with the game so much worse

Found the footage

The "keep spamming knives" run I was talking about had him throwing knives, me focusing them, him throwing them again 15 seconds after I kill them, and then throwing them again immediately after I killed that pair

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Man, the battle was going so fucking well until FIVE(5) friendly units including the knight all decided to go hit this footman's shield.

>>173668595
drop system has more nuance than you're giving it credit for. the biggest problem I see in people playing this game is not utilizing their resources to the fullest. this may not be isaac but there is still a degree of gaming the system needed.

>fully explore every single floor
>LEAVE ALL KEYS ON THE MAP UNTIL YOU REACH THE SHOP (you can stop doing this later to game the system harder but for now just make it a habit)
>search for secret rooms, at bare minimum in preferred locations like shops, floor exits, chest rooms, and dead ends
>familiarize yourself with drop tiers so you know which chests you actually value for your playstyle
>hammer into your brain that the two main chests of each floor will always be a Gun and an Item
>start abusing this and aggressively breaking any chest you can justify not caring about. this is good on every character, and only better on robot. a key you don't use on cracking open a blue gun because you found a passive from the green chest is a key you can use on the red chest next floor. plus junk.

I seriously cannot talk up robot's gun more. it's amazing. that clip is fucking enormous. appreciate how much the very act of having to reload so often hampers your DPS on other guns and start getting the beautiful one-clip screen wipes you deserve.
you also underestimate your coolant and battery bullets. More damage will always make you safer. Use your coolant throughout the first couple floors on hordes of enemies or high HP targets like Gun Nuts. The more you force yourself to use it, the more useful you'll realize it is. Just bear in mind that like ALL starting actives, it's meant to be replaced. It's not supposed to feel like an endgame killer. It's an extremely useful tool for the first couple of weak floors to ride on until you find something better.
Nothing discourages you from getting hit like a massive, obnoxious BWAAHHHH that can't be regained with hearts every time you take damage

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>>173669223
and there we have it. Personally had to kill a sergeant and both of their knights while my side fucked around. Torhelm and Alvar aren't huge loses. Reinhold can get replaced. Gisbert hurts. Hilderich was my sergeant so now I have to find someone with high resolve to recruit and be standard bearer.

>>173669437
oh and every last one of you STOP THINKING CLONE AND JUNK ARE THE ONLY FUCKING GOOD ITEMS

jesus christ there are so many run-breaking items to get in this game and you people focus the rarest most ridiculous shit for no reason. you don't fucking need a clone when you save up 200 shells, get a demon door, and buy four passives, two guns, and a shot at Winchester's game.
>speaking of which it should be obvious but
>money is worth more in your pocket
>spending money cements unknown opportunity costs
>be fucking judicious about spending it so you don't hate yourself next floor

>>173669437
I've played the game for 65 hours dude, and while that's not ages I know all of the common knowledge.

One of my main grievances with the game is that it's a crap shot as to whether a chest is a gun or an item, and items are almost always better than guns of the same tier (and often of a better tier).
I know it's not common, but I have come across a floor with a gun in each item room chest twice.

Like I said his starting gun is pretty good, and battery bullets is less bad since I looked it up and it increases accuracy by 50%, so I guess it's around as good as military training, which to be fair is pretty good.

I hardly ever find actives, for the second part. I've gone through so many marine runs that I forgot he even has an active because I never use it (or never find another active), Pilot's is fairly decent, and convict's pretty good too.

>>173669742
>STOP THINKING CLONE AND JUNK ARE THE ONLY FUCKING GOOD ITEMS
I didn't say they were the only good items calm your pants I was just giving examples of very good items that would make robot less obnoxious to play.

Winchester is farely rare and demon faces are even rarer.

Junkan should not be as hard to find as he currently is. He starts as a 20% drop from junk which is actually too high to just stroll along normally and get him but if you dedicate a run to just getting 10 junk you should get him just by even getting that far without any items and most likely some mediocre guns.

Did I just step back into a den of concentrated autism?

also key doors should be much rare than they are, because I'm lucky to not get a key door on the shopkeep or something else

i thought maybe it had something to do with curse but most of the time I don't even have any curse

>>173670028
there's one gungeon anon who's usually kind of a sperg about it but beyond that it's pretty normal

>>173669493
So who were these guys? Backgrounds, I mean. And who you got right now?

>>173670209
which one's the sperg, though

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>>173670298
>Backgrounds, I mean
I don't remember their backgrounds really, just what they did on my team. Everyone I've got left is level 11(soft cap)
The three original brothers are still alive along with my two best linemen and the two billmen.

Another full party wipe...

Guess I'll take a break for awhile.

>buy FTL since it's on sale for $2.50 and wanted to play it for a while
>play on Easy to get used to ti
>maximum comfy
>move to Normal
>shit kicked in regularly
I feel kinda bad but I might just stay on Easy, I need the comfy more than the challenge right now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97Qud1HxxVM

have any of you guys tried DEADBOLT? i've got to say, it's one of my favorite indie games. it's by the anons who made Risk of Rain and it plays kind of like a mix of Hotline Miami and Gunpoint.

you're the grim reaper and you kill the undead to collect their souls so you can send them to the afterlife. you've got a magic lighter which lets you turn into ash so you can go through pipes and ventilation shafts

it's got an amazing soundtrack and great art too

>>173671462
>anons
1 anon.

>>173671808
I'll correct that. Thank you for pointing it out.

>>173670028
Are there places on 4chan that aren't autistic?

>>173669949
>I have come across a floor with a gun in each item room chest twice
You'll forgive me for not believing you without proof. Not saying you're lying, just not going to accept something that flies in the face of both common knowledge and 200 hours of playtime off of hearsay.

Actives are definitely a bit rare compared to other things, but they're still relatively common as long as you're gaming your chances properly. Sure, sometimes you crack the gun chest first, but there's really a lot of keys. You should be able to eat the few times it doesn't work out. Pilot's is dope yeah, but even still is the same as the rest: useful, but nowhere near enough to be worth picking over most other active items. It's the type of shit you're trying to replace with a Relodestone.

It's the internet, I can hold shift to yell stuff for dramatic effect without my pants being rustled. It's just an extremely common sentiment around here that devalues the hundreds of win-worthy items I'm happy to get instead of the ONE clone I've gotten or the TWO junkans (not counting the guaranteed encounter). You really don't need them to win, and considering that clone's literal only use is giving you twice as many chances at getting the items you need to win, it seems a bit ironic that you place so little value on the overall loot from each floor.

Junkan's encounter rate from junk is 5% once you've unlocked him because he's an item. Finding him instead of a piece of junk is mainly just to meet him, not get him. After that it's just a happy accident if it happens again. If you want a higher chance at finding him, focus blue chests. Hell, even bosses can drop him. 5% is 1 out of 20. Even if you get 10 junk in a run that's still enough of a statistical improbability to never bank on it, and that's the intended design.

I see Winchester a lot desu but I meant the one that's always past the demon face. Idk if your funds affect spawn but I've ONLY found faces when I was rich or getting there.

>Hush for the first time
someone (possibly multiple someones) looked at this and thought 'yes this is an enjoyable gameplay experience, i would not only want to do this again but also like a dozen fucking times at the bare minimum'

literally fucking how

>>173672551
I could possibly have the footage still around but I don't think I do and I don't really want to look for it. My memory's not always the best so I could have possibly confused it for another chest in the room, but I'm pretty positive that it was the two chest room chests.

I was pretty pissed off too, because again, items are generally better than guns.

>Sure, sometimes you crack the gun chest first, but there's really a lot of keys. You should be able to eat the few times it doesn't work out.
That's the thing though. I know you're bound to get shit runs and all because that's the nature of random generation but I've had relatively few key-plentiful runs and much more recently runs where I not only don't get any keys, but the shop (and other) doors are key locked.

I was mostly saying clone for extra master rounds and drops, but again I wasn't saying they were the only good items, I was just saying they're good.

I do focus blue chests, but again, no way to tell item/gun.

>Even if you get 10 junk in a run that's still enough of a statistical improbability to never bank on it, and that's the intended design.
I don't know about banking on it, but if you get all the way through forge without items (or maybe some items if you get a good shopkeep or earlier with extra chests) I think you should at least have a higher chance of getting him than 5%. I'm mostly just a bit upset they have him as a 20% chance to get, so when you're shit at the game and can't even be carried by him you get him, but then you're unlikely to see him again.

I understand the reasoning behind "Boss forces a gun drop if you didn't get a gun" but god does it annoy me the majority of the time.

>>173672904
Now imagine that fucker with the lost, the keeper, and then move on to delirium which is an even lazier and terribly designed fight.

>>173673068
>I understand the reasoning behind "Boss forces a gun drop if you didn't get a gun" but god does it annoy me the majority of the time.
Now there's something we can both agree on. If I knew a better way to game that than "pray you've found a gun already" you can be damn sure I already would be.

Ultimately I don't have a problem with item distribution in this game because it feels appropriate for value. Guns are a dime a dozen, and common as fuck. You'll have some good ones, some bad ones, and more importantly, CHOICES. Because the nature of guns as equipment allows for that. Passives are a bit rarer because if you've ever balanced something you know infinite stacking is fucking ridiculous. Opportunity costs are sometimes the only way to keep things in games from being OP, and passives have NO opportunity cost. They just stack with each other, infinitely. So yeah I understand them being rarer than guns. Finally, how fucking mad/bored would you be if you just got every active every run when you only have one* active slot to keep them in?

>>173673776
I'd probably like it better than getting a series of mediocre guns, but iit'd be annoying yea. Unless I've got a lot of guns and/or good room clearers most of the time I just use stock, or clear out big things and then finish kin off with stock. I think a rebalancing/changing of the rarity system itself would be good for the game (lead skin is D but jar of bees is C, somehow) but I don't really think that'd happen.

I thought the point of the blessed runs was "cycle through the guns and you pick up passive/tiems and it's fun" but no it's the opposite of fun.

Not only do you have the mediocre gun drops, but now they are literally non-existant so boss drops and half of all chest drops don't exist. They have the decency(?) to remove guns from the shop pool, why not the item pool in general.

i have to go to bed i'll talk more later

>>173673949
Afaict every single alternate mode is just meant to be a different challenge. This game was never designed to be comfy.

When it comes to the tiers, I honestly believe things like what you mentioned were an intentional choice on the part of the devs. For the most part, tiers are roughly indicative of something's usefulness once you're good at the game, but there are items thrown into each tier that convince me the devs also at times just wanted to keep all tiers relevant. Try looking at the contents of the tiers while keeping balancing thoughts in mind like:
-Keeping certain items out of the same tier as each other.
-Making you reach into other tiers for certain items instead of having a clear "best chest" that simply gives you all the items you're looking for.
-Keeping chest tiers from being a be-all end-all. Game wouldn't be very fun if only the best chests were ever useful. You'd just be like "wow there's a brown chest those aren't used for anything, why are they in the game at all?"
-Sometimes having worse options is actually good for a game. Generally speaking, players enjoy the experience of discerning for themselves whether something is good or not.

>>173673949
Also, important note:
They do NOT remove guns from the shop pool.
They remove your ability to BUY guns from the shop.
You will see a little "Out of Stock" marker on every slot in your shop that was wasted by a gun spawn.
They're just kind enough not to let you waste your money on it too.

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>This Specter Knight final boss
fucking radical
I just realized this is probably the best 2D sonic game I've played in the last decade

Indies?

>>173678409
Indies.

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Being poor is shit, you guys ever get that itch to give a lot of money to good indie devs?
I get that feeling everytime I see the store page of Devil Daggers yet I can't even buy it.

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>it's an 'Brigand Marksman one-shots your rookie replacements three times in a row during the first round' re-run episode

>>173680795
Could it possibly be a first round bug because fuck me I've had this happen.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ak2EduZ-JI

14/? is a hell of a drug. Neat little game. Kind of like an exploration game or a walking sim. 14ch Eternal Gomez makes some pretty neat games.

According to his Twitter he was kind of surprised to see 14/? and 14/??? appear in the "Depth of Obscurity" image that gets posted every so often. Like right now!

>>173681274
Back in my day, Sonic was good.

>>173681274
nice to see one of these images I'm not in the deepest helldepths of

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>>173681274
Should I be concerned I dip down into "The Pioneer" section?

In Underrail, which system is generally more recommended, the Oddity xp system or the Classic one?

>>173666090
How about adding The Dream Machine final chapter to upcoming?

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How is Has Been Heroes?
Any good?

http://blog.playism-games.com/the-fan-art-of-alicemare/

Bump before bed

Bump while sleeping.

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>>173682128
Oddity.The game is designed/balanced around oddity.

It's a fun system that encourages exploration and allows all playstyles to gain XP at roughly the same rate rather than forcing you to be a typical murderhobo.

Classic is only an option because it was used before Styg came up with oddity and wanted to leave it for those who prefer it for some reason.

It's pretty inbalanced right now, you will level and hit the cap far too quickly.

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>>173681274
The Last Remnant is Oldfag tier?

>>173687106
The oddity system is sweet.

It's real painful finding repeats sometimes, though.

>>173690779
Don't pay attention to /v/charts.

>>173690779
No, it's trash.
Source : I played it.

>>173690832
>It's real painful finding repeats sometimes, though.
It's either that or you would be forced to murderhobo/open literally every container in the game for optimal results.

Which oddity is supposed to prevent in the first place.

>>173691353
Well, sure. I know. I get that.

But I still get butthurt.

>Wowwwww I haven't seen this neat looking oddity before. Level time bitches!
>*plonk*
>Oh. I have. And it's a 1-oddity max type.

>>173687106
You post that image, but deep inside you know that your collection is no longer complete. Stop lying to yourself.

I wish Lethal League was popular

>>173692894
It was never complete to begin with, I'm missing

the dice from Rail Crossing (and supposedly the gambling house if Styg added one there, no idea if he did though, I didn't check)

2 logs from I have no idea where

one quad damage module from industrial bot RNG

one black eye from DC since it wasn't there yet

and 2-headed mutant eye

>>173693431
I wish I was popular

>>173693512
I wish my girlfriend was less popular.

>>173693725
I too wish she was less popular.

>>173693818
Bitch's vagina is like a motel 6 and as loose as a hanging noose, except that unlike the nooese, it doesn't get tighter when you put your dick in it.

>>173691353
I wonder why people don't implement Bloodlines XP system more often

>>173694285
VtMB XP system doesn't really work outside of VtMB game format.

in VtMB the only source of XP is resolving quests, but the entire game consists of nothing but a series of quest hubs you visit one after another.

>>173665214
game?

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>>173666090
>No Paradigm or THimbleweed Park
Come on, step it up!

Um, Snake Pass is pretty boring

>>173696976
did you play it or watch it? it's one of those games that looks super lame at a glance; it's more about having the controls in your hands and working them out.

if you played it idk sorry you didn't enjoy friend. I like bein snek

>>173697078
I played two levels, and it was pretty fun, but after that I already felt the repetitive-ness sink in.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVAt5e5AY4Y

Only one month left till the final chapter FINALLY!

https://steamcommunity.com/games/94300/announcements/detail/493549917884025552

>>173697296
Try just getting keystones and working your way through levels instead of collecting everything. See if you don't enjoy it a bit more once they feel comfortable spiking your difficulty a bit. Game starts off slow.

Personally, I've just been enjoying playing a level here and there and beating it at whatever pace that sets. I like the experience but it's not a game I'd sit around and play for hours

>>173697515
Hmm, I'll give it another shot

>>173696663
Battle Brothers

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>>173697667
our enemy is at our door

>>173697665
>>173697515
AFTER BAYONETTA WOOOOOOO

>>173680718
It's 5 bucks. Sell a kidney or something.

>>173697980
WE KNOW OUR DO IT AND WE WILL DUTY AND FIGHT FOR THE ENEMY

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Not yet.

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>>173681274
>multiple hits in Oldfag
>3 in Gregor
Contrary to the norm I feel I'm too low on that chart

>4 more levels in the 2nd area of Sausage Roll
Man, this is starting to get hard.

Yooka Laylee is officially out.

>>173701778
not gonna lie I've been playing Banjo Kazooie and I like it

BAMP

>>173701518
>tfw wanted to fuck the one character whose sole purpose was to tell you what to do and insult you

>>173707008
Well Slutty Mcslut was traced from a VN character so that isn't too far off.

https://www.humblebundle.com/intergalactic-bundle
Spess bundle.
Galactic Civilisations 1 for free at the bottom.

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>ended up playing Battle Brothers all day due to the guy posting in here

Game is good

>>173710704
It is? Make my penis hard, tell me what's good about it.

>>173710704
I knew it as a good idea to tell the initial guy to blogpost about it.

Does Grow Up require a beefier setup than Grow Home?

>>173709352
>Rogue Galaxy is on a 2D plane
dropped

>>173682128
Classic so you can grind for skillpoints when the game stone walls you at a check.
Oddity is fine for a second playthrough once you have a better idea of the mechanics and design and plan a much better build then your first time around

>>173681274
These charts are all kind of awful. I think they represent the creator's personal gaming knowledge more than anything else.

In some cases entire ecosystems, not just genres, are shoehorned under inaccurate white labels. And some cases just need updating. Programming games aren't so obscure anymore after SHENZHEN I/O got so much coverage.

Many yellow labels have questionable position. Especially the roguelikes are totally fucked up.
How come a world-famous internet sensation like Dwarf Fortress is so deep down? How is Caves of Qud less obscure than Cataclysm? And HOW IN THE FUCK is babbys-first-modern-roguelike Dungeon Crawl more obscure than Qud?

>>173711643
>Classic so you can grind for skillpoints
>grinding levels in Underrail
Just how bad can you possibly be?

>when the game stone walls you at a check
What are you even trying to say?

>>173712575
Why is the Bullyrail fanbase so toxic? This kind of attitude only hurts Styg and his future endeavors.

>>173713509
Because for underage, criticizing a game means hating it.
And they're insecure about the fact that they may be wrong.

>>173696775
I add things that are discussed here.

>>173713509
>toxic
What exactly was "toxic" about my post?

If you need to gring in Underrial you are clearly doing something very wrong because the game was never designed with grind in mind. There is nothing "toxic" about pointing this out.

Likewise, there is nothing "toxic" about me not understanding what "game stone walls you at a check" means since Underrail has no skill checks that would prevent you from progressing the game whatsoever.

I'm sorry if your feefees were hurt for whatever reason.

>>173714472
Why are you getting even more toxic?

>>173714573
Define "toxic" because so far it seems like it stands for "facts that make me uncomfortable"

>>173714252
Well, both are point and click adventures. Both are bretty good.
The former currently has a 100% approval rating on Steam.

>>173713509
Probably the same reason the souls fanbase came up with the git gud meme.

Whenever a game is actually challenging, there's bound to be a clash between its hardcore fans and those who don't get the game and find it too hard for reasons.

But Underrail is very niche, so it shouldn't attract many players outside its target audience like the (in)famous souls games do. I really don't know.

Is Yooka a girl?

>>173716000
No, but Laylee is.

>>173716000
I don't think so

Is Stardew Valley any good? The graphism look bloody awful, but apparently you can go spelunking for treasures and mad dosh?

>>173716353
Do you like labor sims?

>>173716434
What's a labor sim?

>>173710704
Does it give you Xcom-battle-system vibes?
(Because those vibes are my cocaine)

>>173716474
Game that simulates doing manual labor
Though, yeah, you can go spelunking too

>>173716906
If it means boring shit like Minecraft, Terraria or Starbound where I spend 95% of my time mining and hoping I will get useful ore, fuck that.

>turn camera slightly into a wall
>it bounces back the other direction by 90 degrees
Someone at Playtonic deserves a beheading

>>173674471
>Game wouldn't be very fun if only the best chests were ever useful. You'd just be like "wow there's a brown chest those aren't used for anything, why are they in the game at all?"
There are a handful of ok D-tier passives but I don't think I've ever spent a resource to open any brown chests, because they're usually garbage.

I get that part of the gimmick of the game is everything is a gun but there's so many shitty guns that are just one off jokes.

>>173716353
Dosh only rolls in when you get to mass crafting bombs and nuke whole floors carefree, tanking any damage taken

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>>173713509
>Bullyrail
cute

>>173716772
You mean "fuck that I missed again" vibes? Plenty.

>>173717003
Did you ever play Harvest Moon?
It got a different charme, actual NPCs and level design for example.
>>173717780
The game looks like the conrols are barely above u

>>173716118
Whoops~

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>>173718160
It's like prodding at a bruise.
Like squirming in soreness after a workout.
Like having a beautiful girl rub her hand over your glans post-orgasm.
I love it Xcom, even though it oft makes me want to throw my pc out the window.

My only wish is for a gigantic, comprehensive rpg with a huge world and a kick-ass sci-fi setting, using a vastly expanded Xcom 2 graphical and combat engine.

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still fun

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>>173710859
I picked up a hobo that was a squire to a minor noble, until one day he accidentally startled his lord's horse and got whipped until he couldn't walk for a week.

After being with me from two months, he went from a malnourished cripple to a bear of a man, and is now in the front and center of my line in glimmering mail and wielding a zweihander, cleaving orcs and undead asunder.

There's some pretty gud stories in batbros

>>173718730
>n64 game has better textures than 8th gen kickstarter
What a shit timeline.

>>173719089
Does it have magic or supernatural elements other than monsters inspired by folklore?

>>173714782
How are the stories?

>>173719512
Goblin shamans, necromancers and skeleton priests. No magic is available to the players, though.

>>173720141
>No magic is available to the players, though.
SHIT GAME
H
I
T

G
A
M
E

>>173719665
>Paradigm
Exceptionally good in every way. The oddity alone is damn good.
>Thimbleweed
Pretty good, but not amazing.

>>173720791
Except you're wrong. Magic is objectively shit.

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>>173720791
>wanting magic in my germanic warband simulator

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmUiVXW4R5E&t=0s

>>173721986
I'll probably pirate it to see if it's any good.

"It's like banjo tooie" isn't exactly awful

>>173666090
Cosmic Star Heroine and Yooka-Laylee are out now

>>173717898
Sounds like spelunking only start making dosh late.

>>173718219
That doesn't sound fun.

>>173719089
I like this. Can you also recruits women? I'd like to have a battle harem.

>>173721954
It's like fighting against people using guns but not being able to use them yourself
It's strategically retarded anon

>>173722724
So basically Borderlands?

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>>173720141
I see, thanks. I think I'll give it a whirl

>>173720791
>>173721660
>>173721954
>>173722724
Well, I can certainly get the appeal of magic in games like these. The problem is, with most devs (and forms of systematized magic), it just turns out to be "yet another mechanic" (and a mechanic that often breaks immersion at that).

The trick is to make it sparse, rare, only barely controllable, and preferably really late-game. Don't make it directly controllable by the player (even though this is what every player wants), but rather just feed drippings here and there, painting magic as something to be respected and feared.

>>173714252
>I add things that are discussed here
>no spot for Gungeon Supply Drop Update

>>173717870
important to consider that brown chests are the only chests that can drop a pickup alongside their loot. for instance, you could get Gun Friendship and a key or shield from one brown chest. Makes them a lot more worth it. If it's guaranteed to be an Item, I'll usually crack it open. If not I'll break it unless it's already unlocked.

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>tfw you're desperate for a sci-fi RPG but Cosmic Star Heroine looks like garbage

>>173723165
That's one way to do magic well, but not the only way

>>173724781
Have you played Anachronox yet?

>>173722724
>I haven't played the game
there is literally barely any magic
there's no fireballs or anything, it's just like some necromancery and that's it

>>173715786
REEEEEEEEEEEE
GET GOOD WAS MADE BY THE MONSTER HUNTER FANBASE, SOULSFAGS STOLE OUR TERM REEEEEE
Monster Hunter is fucking bullshit though. You can mitigate the grinding by being gud cause its easy to dodge most attacks but its fucking boring and draws out 20-30 minute hunt to a full hour. The only reason you'd get killed is by being greedy to end the monotony.

What if they're right and Banjo Kazooie was just artificial fun?

>>173725742
>Monster hunter was a git gud game
Kek.
It was bullet hell shumps. That's why they're called bullet HELL.

>>173725258
And necromancy is the best kind of magic, what's your point

>>173726682
You're not allowed to use it because the game is about being a mercenary company

>>173725742
I mean I always appreciated the fact that Monster Hunter was designed to allow you to achieve victory whether through skill or grinding. But yeah the existence of the grind at all made choosing either one monotonous.

>>173726064
Snake Pass is a truer successor to Banjo-Kazooie than Yooka-Laylee. Collectathons are only ever good when each collectible is individually rewarding to discover and successfully collect.

Linear level filled with a bunch of pasted-in pickups to walk through = Bad.
Characterized environment to explore with nooks and crannies serving as miniature puzzles and tests of skill that reward you with collectibles = Good.

Yooka-Laylee is just a classic example of devs not understanding what made their game good in the first place. No one cared about the fact that it was a "buddy quest," no one cared about having a bunch of thingies to grab. People just wanted a lively, charming environment with built-in reasons to explore it and see what it has to offer. Really, Banjo-Kazooie's fun wasn't any more artificial than Super Mario 64's. The 3D Mario series just actually understood what made it good and kept it going.

>>173726471
pretty sure he's saying the monster hunter community started out saying to "git gud," not that monster hunter was the original git gud game.

>>173726808
Reanimating corpses is incredibly cost effective compared to hiring more soldiers

>>173715786
>dark souls
>hard

>>173727167
>Snake Pass is a truer successor to Banjo-Kazooie than Yooka-Laylee.
I thought I was the only one that got this impression from watching footage of both. The kickstarter game looks like a HEY REMEMBER THAT GAME? piece while failing to be as good as that game. Meanwhile snake pass looks like collecting and puzzle solving.

>>173727453
Harder than Dragon's Dogma, that's for sure.

>>173727453
It's a hard game. Stop bandwagoning.

>>173728287
The only bandwagon is the soulswagon. It is harder than the usual aaa game from its time but it is far from something really challenging.

>>173728495
>It is harder than the usual aaa game
I think being harder than an average game is good enough criteria to call something "hard"
Otherwise you can argue indefinitely whenever a game is challenging enough to be called hard or not

>>173729750
"hard" in comparison to easy baby games is not the same as being "hard" in general

>>173687106
>all that trash
The Underrail protagonist must be the biggest kelptomaniac/hoarder I've ever seen in a vidya.

Who the fuck would think, upon seeing this:
>Three what appear to be human shinbones, sharpened on one end and tied together with leather straps into a triangular formation. The purpose or meaning of this perverse construct eludes you.
that "Yes, I must have this."?

>Is that... a baby's hand on a chain? You can only imagine what possessed this psycho to create such an abominable trinket.
How sick, I'm deeply shaken and mortified by this twisted display of sadistic lunacy....
...............
...............
gimme.

>A set of four identical metal balls, each suspended by two strings. When you set them in motion interesting things happen.
I'm stranded in Deep Caverns. Tchortlings are closing in on me from the right, the Faceless are coming from the left. What should I do? I know, let's play with pendulums!

If only Vera entered your room and saw all the piles of train logs, dog tongues leaking acid you carefully removed because you reeaally needed to have them, a drawing you lifted from someone's desk, a bunch of completely ruined textbooks, human jaws, teeth, scrap glued together, empty mutagen tanks, and soup ladles stolen from ghetto hobos, she probably wouldn't be so eager to make you a councilor.

>>173726064
I'm playing it right now and exploring these worlds and collecting secrets is fun. I don't know if I'd call it "artifical", but it feels meaningful.

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http://store.steampowered.com/app/272620/
Thoughts on this?
It counts as an Indie game, right?

>>173733207
All previous Serious Sam licensed games were kinda poopy
It's made by hammerwatch devs so it's probably going to be boring coop oriented and boring as fuck

Stop dying

>>173726471
Everyone knew those games were quarter munchers, might as well call Druaga a git gud game.

>>173733063
After 2 hours of playing I just felt very unsatisfied and kind of tired, it really made me question if the games of that era were actually good or if I only enjoyed it then because I was 11 and would have played any kusoge thrown at me.

>>173733942
Coop games are always trash anyway.
And I'm totally not saying that because I died in Borderland 2 to a fire damage on time because all the enemies ran away.

Indies are good

>>173740652
What an exaggeration

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>Battle brothers
>saving and loading makes scary things on the map go away
Welp. I actually wanted to hit that engagement though...

>>173742643
Is this still in Alpha Protocol?

>>173742643
>>173742821
>hit unpause
>they come back
Guess I lied. They just weren't visible yet. Oops!

>>173725056
Yeah I have, a long time ago. No motivation to revisit. Apparently Cosmic Star Heroine's got some good mechanics.

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Okay, I'm going to blatantly shill now and copypaste dump some bits of the new Systemfaggotry: The Game update, because it's cool and alpha soon and I want to believe.

There are also some videos, so here's the link to the update:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1649838104/copper-dreams/posts/1856072

>Background point pool for Virtues, starting Skills, and Advantages / Disadvantages

>Instead of just stat numbers, a lot of character output has to do with gameplay styles. We wanted to include more ways to have more interesting starting characters to mess around with. Anything from making your character deaf, unable to run, various phobias, 14 years old, and lots of other ways that are reflected in the mechanics and visuals. This allows you to create interesting characters for a lot of combat variety, and also test yourself to role play fairly flawed characters, mentally, physically, or with fairly suspect past choices in their life.

>Having too low of Logic or being illiterate means all text in the game is garbled. We made all the text in the game dynamic so far as to make this full-stop:

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>>173746252
>Where advantages cost you background points during character creation, disadvantages will gain you some. Here’s our current pending list for these Advantages and Disadvantages as it stands now. Originally we were going to have pre-generated characters for you to use in the alpha, but we’ll now have a character generator like in the actual game where you can create your agents, so you can put these to the test.

>Here’s a glimpse at some of the Gained, Advantage, and Disadvantage background traits:

>Age also dictates maximum Virtue availability. These are rough numbers to get an idea of how these might influence the character:


>Height Slice and Character sight and hearing visuals

>Visualizing a character’s line of sight as the character is one of the overarching visuals driving gameplay and simulation — it’s an isometric glimpse into their first-person view. Your character’s vision is also driven by stats, poor eyesight has smaller visions than others, and if you get wounded in your face or an eyeball, you can lose out on part of that radius.

>Since the original Kickstarter we’ve refined the visual for it to be more exact (it was also tile-based then). We’ve also added in an additional radius around your selected character that represents their maximum hearing range. This is the distance they’ll automatically be rolling to hear other NPCs, and is their maximum distance of influence in the game, as everything outside of it is black. (video)

>>173746560
>Movement and Combat Upgrades

>Pathfinding returns, now with multi-locations during combat as well as automatic vertical navigation for you and NPCs!

>We finished off combat iterations the past few months by enhancing the way players target and roll-to-hit with it, which ultimately led to an overhaul of the ruleset. You can now aim anywhere and roll under your skill with the item to determine how successful you were to getting to your target. All item or skill usages use that model now. Allowing you to aim for things in the environment that we don't outright tell you can make for more interesting puzzles or interactivity. Lights for example can all be shot out now: (video)

>With a 3d world, thrown objects that bounce around, it seemed fitting to give the player some agency on where they are actually shooting. You no longer only attack targets, but can also attack anywhere you want, including where you expect targets to be as they are moving. If you do attack targets you can select which body part you’d like to try to shoot, and you’d track that body part until you fire or it’s no longer visible. Aiming for anything allows you to lead targets on the move or temporarily unseen (and thus unable to be targeted), or precise location to lay down cover fire for more than one target that might end up down the middle of a hallway or something.

>>173746252
>kick starter

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>>173746696
>Distance modifiers are no longer just static distance markers as with the original Challenge Target, but influenced by reference points around the projected line starting with nearest to the character attacking. This is all in-code in the game, but that sight-line checks for any nearby objects starting at the character and moves down to the actual target. So the idea for this is if you you have a reference for a target really far away, you can get visual bearings by aligning your shot with any nearby objects. For example aiming a burst fire into a clearing near the side of a building you hear an enemy running into would have that building act as the distance check, not the potentially infinite space behind it.

>The crosshair for melee path for slash/thrust or your projectile line is your ideal hit location, and you roll to attempt to hit that location, regardless of or if you have a target in mind. Success means you hit that target precisely (in 3d space), and failure means you deviate it from a variable amount, so it’s considered a potential failure in most cases.


>Wound penalties and visuals

>Another way of indicating health status for player characters and enemies, we're adding various states of wounded movement and idling. In the alpha you’ll be limping around if you’ve taken on particular Greater or Mortal wound, which acts a visual that you’re damaged as well as an indicator that your movement speed has been reduced.

>Going into the alpha, here are the current wound categories and all the stats they can influence:

And some other minor stuff about the death system and some boasting about unique animations that might end up looking cool I guess. Faster walking speed for mole agile characters and shit like that is good.

>>173746758
It already got kickstarted a year ago, so who the fuck cares. If it ends up sucking balls you can just ignore it and move on. That's a genuine possibility, Serpents was kind of shit. But this time I really fucking want to believe.

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Do the Passages stack if I get more titles?
I'm about to get the Monk, but don't want my current Passage for quick travel to be wasted.

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Help me.

>>173748321
>that feeling of panic when something's grabbed you

>>173747786
Yes. You can have up to 10 saved.

Hollow Knight is now available on Mac and Linux.
And in French.
>>173748321
Try your best to line yourself up horizontally with it, then move towards and over it. Works every time.

redpill me about the double headed mutant in underrail

how is paradigm lads

>>173749168
Thank you.

>>173749291
I inched away ever so slowly for like a minute. Then just swung left and right and got free.
Then I got killed by him next time I tried to go back.

>>173749641
I'm about to take the plunge myself. Will report findings.

>>173747107
What's the point of posting about it if you can't play it yet

>>173750305
What the fuck, man. Don't tell me you have never talked about unreleased games. Besides CD has very unique gameplay for this genre, so understanding it requires much more than just experience with rpgs.

And the alpha is coming in about a month.

>>173751557
>And the alpha is coming in about a month.
I'm assuming it's backer only
Is it going to be on steam?

>>173746252
>shit son, you only got 10 Int!
>Important documents and shit become unreadable
Oh my god, that sounds wonderful. Like playing Fallout 1 retard mode, but better.

>>173746560
>racist
>sexist
>disadvantages
Ah yes that sweet virtue signaling money

>>173752082
No idea, theey haven't talked about the specifics yet. But yeah, it's probably going to be backer only, I don't think they are ready or willing to make this into an Early Access at this point. I have a feeling this will need a lot of fine-tuning. Although they've been working with a couple of really experienced testers from the start, so who knows, maybe not.

>>173752412
What I find weirder is
>Where advantages cost you background points during character creation, disadvantages will gain you some.
>Being sexist or racist gives you points

Does Grim Dawn count as indie?

>>173752608
Nice.

>>173752608
It might end up fucking you over in the game itself. Like you need information from someone, but since the informant is a black womyn your racist and sexist character will only get the dialogue option to tell her to go back to Africa and choke on some tribal dick. Or something.

>>173752608
>you'll be able to do a nigger challenge run
Andthis is only alpha, imagine when they much more stuff, oh boy

>>173752934
they add*

>>173752916
How can something hilarious be a disadvantage

Underworld Ascendant has to be good, it just has to.

>>173753080
I mean if you're trying to be diplomatic, having bad disposition with certain people would probably be somewhat of a disadvantage.

>>173752916
Yeah, but I still find it odd they'd incentivize it like that.
I mean, obviously they'd need a reason for you to pick it, otherwise barely anyone would use it, but still.
What sense does it make anyway? Being Racist/Sexist allows you have a bigger background, if I'm understanding the concept correctly?

Sausage Brothers

>>173753198
Something like that. I assume some of the more useful backgrounds are going to have a cost so high that you won't be able to pick them without picking one or two disadvantages.

Although it would be intersting if they made it more flexible. Kind of like in Battlespire, where the points you get from disadvantages can be spent on anything, from attributes to skills to better equipment.

>>173753789
Disadvantages are just a great idea in general though. Nice that they incentivize not just making your character the perfect being, allowing for more roleplaying.

>>173753198
It's actually fairly common in games. Pick negative traits to give you more points for positive traits.

>>173749883
Cool, I just finished Thimbleweed and I'm still in a point and click mood.

>>173753198
>Being Racist/Sexist allows you have a bigger background
Nah, the points-ads-disads is the same as the GURPS roleplaying system, really.
Sexist/racist counts as disads because they adversely affect your characters likeability, or his freedom of choice, or sociability (insofar as it might limit your choices when talking to certain NPCs or something).
This doesn't specifically broaden your background or something. It's just a "bad" thing (game-mechanically) about your character, which gives you extra points to spend on something good.

>>173753928
I agree! Especially in tabletop games. It makes players play more consciously, and more balanced characters. (And for many it helps give their character-..well, "character")

>>173753624
Battle Stephen.

>>173721050
Tell me more about why they're good.

>>173753928
Yeah. It just occurred to me, but if they are serious about the racist/sexist/etc disadvantages, they could even lock you out of certain party members. That would be interesting, devs are usually afraid of limiting party options. Even in the BGs where alignment matters your party members aren't the least bit concerned about the PC's alignment. I think Ignus in PS:T is the only one who would eventually betray you based on alignment.

Although Iron Tower seems to be interested in experimenting with it. They did the CHAR-based party size/recruiting thing in DR, and I think they are keeping it for Colony Ship, with some kind of reputation restrictions added to the mix.

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>>173754323
Took the plunge. Will comment on stuff as I see them.
The Options menu is very barebones, but given it's a point & click, it's not a huge deal. Turned on the Mystery Setting. No idea what's gonna happen.

>>173723954
I miss things sometimes, so reply to the chart if it needs anything added.
The update was before the chart was made, so I didn't really notice.

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>>173755516
Nevermind. I figured it out.

Anyone touch Signal to Torvalds?

>>173756147
lol rude

>>173759446
How are those sausages doing?

>>173759729
Undercooked...

>>173759773
Stay strong, soldier. He who brings the glory of Sausage to light shall find endless bounty.

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I did it! I beat Rain World!

>>173761154
Congrats. I'm on the verge of mental break after entering Underhang.

>>173761154
I don't get this image

>>173761379
at the end of evangelion everyone turns into tang

i'm not even joking

>>173761154
About how long did it take you?
I still have to fetch things for the Moon.

>>173761154
Congrats?

>>173761379
You're better off.

>>173761193
>Underhang
Good luck, that's a tough one. If it helps, camos freak the fuck out when speared. You can also knock them off steep drops rather easily because of their waiting habit.

>>173761665
36 hours, although I didn't do the Moon run.

>>173761792
>Camos
Trust me, I learned that climbing the Leg. my trouble is Oranges and Brindled Yellows now.

>>173761604
I watched it, I just didn't get it at first

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>>173761824
The purest form of lizard.

>>173761792
I still have a while to go then.
Are you going to go back and do it?

>>173761824
I'm taking a break from The Leg right now.
Only being able to move vertically is hell, no where to hide.

>>173762049
>Are you going to go back and do it?
No thanks, I think I've had enough slugcat for a while. I might just look at spoilers to be honest.

>>173759446
NOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>173752613
sure

I've played 2 hours of Cosmic Star Heroine.

Don't bother. It's for cucks and nu-males exclusively

>>173764534
Where's that anon that posted about it every thread before.

>>173751547
I'm finding that trading is a strong way to open the game...

Which is kinda weird because you spend so long out of battle I might be out of practice by the time shit starts getting heavy.

>Shovel Knight got cameos in a bunch of games
>Specter Knight will never be one of those cheat code unlock characters in a tony hawk game

>>173764534
>>173765809
lmao

>>173762596
>had enough slugcat for a while
I can utterly and completely see that happening, yeah.. neat as the game though is

>>173768730
>Spectre Knight in a Tony Hawk game
aw shit

>>173730149
>The Underrail protagonist must be the biggest kelptomaniac/hoarder I've ever seen in a vidya.
I prefer the term "collector"

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>>173752613
Yeah.

Expansion when?

>>173764534
Can you give some examples of what you've seen so far?

>>173770382
They put a fair amount of work into the written lore in that game.

FUCK

Are there regular wolves in Battle Brothers? I could have swore I kicked a bunch of direwolf asses earlier this run...

But then I total party wiped to 4, even with decent armor.

>>173772187
Haahahahaha...

>>173759446
You have so many delicious sausages to live for

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>>173770286
We are all just trying to come by.

>>173751547
Haha nice OC.

>>173770286
As a borderline hoarder myself, I prefer the term 'hoarder' as it evokes the perfect vision of disorganised-yet-still-somehow-organised piles of random crap in every storage area I own.
I even get that annoying situation where I remember where I usually have a place that certain things usually are, but then I put it somewhere else and have to look for it for an entire day, which I appropriately call Hoarder Syndrome.

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>>173776367
It's the opposite ofr me, I'm bordeline pedantic and all of my shit is religiously organized, including stuff in video games.

Pic related is a good example, that shelf is used exclusively for unique collectible stuff, in precise order of sniper rifles/assault rifles/SMGs/pistols/crossbows/melee/unarmed/armors/Southern fishing tour fishes/Beast head.

Thankfully I don't give a fuck about alphabetical order, not yet at least.

>>173776904
Your room looks like a treasure grove.

>>173772187
No but there is a stronger dire wolf called frenzied

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Hmm yes give me the jrpg cheese for a glorious end.

>>173781005
jeez, if you keep this up, I'm gonna have to continue my playthrough of the 2nd game.

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>>173781005
I hope you have SC and I'm going to have to speed up at this rate.

>>173781005
Getting a bit burned out on Borderlands and Grim Dawn, how is Trails in the Sky?
The graphism trigger my Ys PTSD.

>>173781335
Decent customization. Very polished. Extremely orthodox. A ton of missables and pretty guide dangit.

>>173781456
>Decent customization. Very polished. Extremely orthodox.
Sounds good.
>A ton of missables and pretty guide dangit.
Sounds atrocious.

>>173781506
In a world where tons of games have insane character logic and plot-induced idiocy, Trails in the Sky doesn't. But it never goes beyond exactly what it claims to be, and it states pretty early on that you're going to get a lot of side objectives that are easily missed or done below perfect.

>>173781506
You have no fucking idea.
>quest listed as short
>decide to do it after making a little progress
>miss it

>>173781748
I'm not good with RPGs like that. I missed a shitload of content in Tales of Symphonia because the game is always telling you to rush forward to save that girl Colette, to save the world, to save the towns.

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>>173776904
That looks nice. I don't have this much OCD when sorting my items. Weapons and armors go in the left locker. Unique and key items go in the right locker. Components go to the shelf, and healing items go in the footlocker.

But I keep everything at SGS, even though I had the Core City house fully renovated. I have a thing for empty buildings. Putting in furniture would just ruin their aesthetic.

>>173783235
>i like empty buildings
You're pretty weird.
Do you also love tiles?

>>173785948
You got he wrong guy, jack. I don't want to fuck my buildings, just don't like when good architecture is ruined with shitty furnishing.

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>>173781321
I don't have it yet but I got a paysafe card to buy stuff. Would prefer a sale really and will likely do a 2nd playthrough before for 100%
>>173781335
It's a top tier jrpg. It is almost scary how much better it is then the usual best jrpgs suspects. I am at 83 hours playtime on steam and that is just one playthrough; granted I REALLY made use of every NPC getting new dialogue after every main quest point so that adds up to a lot of extra walking, reading and worldbuilding. First is also cheap so a definitve must play.

>>173781908
"Short" means your last chance to do the quest before you do the next main quest point. A shame it is only shown on the board and not your book.
>>173781506
It's really not that bad if you explore. on my fist playthrough I only missed 2 recepies, 2 books, 2 quests, 4 weapons, 1 armor and 5 chests.
Altought for me that is a typical percentage I get on collectables in games when playing blind.

>>173788096
Reminds me of Phantom Brave. I hope it's not that ugly all the time.

>>173789592
It's a game from 2001 or so, don't expect too much. Most stuff scales very nicely though except the character eyes on the models imo.

Okay, so I'm playing Yooka-Laylee and it's pretty much what I expected having only played the tech demo and not having seen any videos of it after that.

So, what's the problem here exactly?

How the hell is this a 2/10 game?

>>173791628
Rare collectathons are not that great to begin with but this one is outdated in mechanics and gamedesign and does things worse than the old games. A lack of fun exploring is also a huge minus.

>>173770893
Yeah, especially considering it's an ARPG where story and setting are usually barebones.

In Grim Dawn they are really well made and ejoyable.

>>173791767
Isn't outdated shit exactly what the people they are pandering to wanted?

>>173791628
>How the hell is this a 2/10 game?

I think it's a lot of people getting their nostalgia goggles smahed and realizing a game they liked in 1998 might not work for them in 2017

>>173792106
People wanted their memory, not the actual thing.

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>that fucking twist at the celebration scene in tits
WHAT THE FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK

>>173794018
>in tits
CONTINUE

>>173794121
trials in tainted space?

>>173794902
Oh.

I thought you meant boobs.

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So far the game has been fun. Really engaging puzzly JRPG battles

>>173795037
Oh nice that came out. Good enough to add to the /indie/ 217 collage?

>>173795353
I'll keep playing. I'm sure other /indie/ people will like it but I am mixed on it right now

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robot is a bad character

>>173794018
Tell me more, I haven't played that in years. Does it actually have more content now?

Almost everything about that game was complete trash, but gameplay itself was surprisingly decent. Raiding that pirate ship with my freshly hacked robot doggo was cool.

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bad character

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bad character

>>173707472
Which one?

>>173800009
>Raiding that pirate ship with my freshly hacked robot doggo was cool.
What game are you even talking about?

>Get cigarettes
fuck you too game

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Even when it's an S-tier chest it has to pick the one thing that's bad for robot.

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How the fuck do you beat the Enchantress in New Game Plus of Specter of Torment?

Everything was going smooth in NG+ until I got up to her. Fuck.

>Hammer hits me in forge
>Knocks me off the ledge too
>2 hits gone

>>173804870
Stop being a bitch. Worked for me.

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so close, but the wrong boots

>>173805380
Have you ever posted something that wasn't complaining?

>playing Pillar of Eternity
>accidentally wipe out an entire cult dedicated to Woegina or whatever
>feel like I fucked up
>nobody tells me anything about it
Ummm... Yay?

>>173806021
It was a secret cult.

Why do you think they were sitting in the catacombs under a ruined temple?

>>173806336
Well, I understood from a discussion with a ghost that they were worshipping the Goddess of Oaths, or something.

To be frank, last time I played the game was 2 months ago. I don't even remember why I was looking after Woegia.
I'm also a bit annoyed that the level 1 adventurer that I recruited got knocked out and thus didn't made any XP.

Yooka-Laylee BTFO!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnKNJJVEEVk

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>>173806513
>that entire video

>>173806638
You want edgy? I'll give ya edgy!

*slowly pulls out SMG...*

>>173806765
*slashes your smg in half before you finish pulling it out*
Hmph..

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>>173805561
Very frequently. I was kind of complaining about robot but that last one was more of a "well that sucks" because I had gotten alien engine on zone 1. It was also just a thing to keep the thread bumped.

I do also post win screens too. Almost entirely in part that armor actually fucking dropped for once. Stout bullets and euphoria are ok too.

>>173806513
dunkey already talked shit on it so RIP

>>173807936
He did but it was pretty odd.

"This is just like banjo tooie...that game sucked"

>>173808937
Wasn't Banjo & Kazooie very good or something?

>>173809138
Yea banjo kazooie was a great game and is this game yooka laylee is directly trying to recreate (also DK64 too).

Dunkey for some reason didn't like Banjo Tooie, which was the sequel. He thought the levels were too big or something, and then he said yooka laylee had more or less the same problems.

To my knowledge tooie is as beloved as kazooie to most people, so "It's bad just like tooie" is far from a damning statement.

>>173809276
>levels were too big
Unless they're big and empty, that's hardly an issue.

That reminds me, wasn't there some SM64/Sunshine-like game? I remember seeing the beta at AGDQ.

>>173809604
A Hat in Time has been in development since like 2011.

It might come out eventually but I'm not holding onto hope at this rate

2012, not 2011