/civ4xg/ - Strategy/4X General

bout damn time

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Elf players, use this
https://steamcommunity.com/workshop/filedetails/?id=790412525

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So the Awakened Empire surrendered.

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Welp, i took people's suggestions from the thread and started a new game.
>Small galaxy
>(Almost) max number of AI empires
>One fallen empire, two advanced starts
>Hyperlane only
>Ironman

Hopefully this is fun. Or at least a little interesting.

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tell me lads, should I conquer them?

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And then this happened, this normal? All their planets are abandoned. They had about 100 population before the "Total Victory" win condition. Now it's just a bunch of empty worlds.

Seriously though, which of these starting Ascension Perks is good? It's not like you're allowed to change these so I don't want to fuck it up.

>>173648521
>should I conquer them?
The answer is always yes

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Here is my plant hive mind. I liked the idea of a sentient plant becoming the planet. Now it buds off into space to find nubile alien women to... investigate.

With it's feeler.

>>173648606
They're all useful

>>173648385
no

>>173648606
mastery of nature lets you clear any tile blocker for free, I usually pick that

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>>173648578
Also unbidden happened a few days after the "War in Heaven" ended. 2/3rds of my fleet is gone, I'm low on minerals and now the Unbidden just appeared in the middle of my empire.

It would take years to rebuild the fleet and I don't have years.

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>>173648690
But which is the most useful? I don't know how good a +5 boost to core worlds is, or if that 10% science superior? What about the one for extra unity?

>>173648756
My problem with that one is that tile clearing is cheap, and you're going to get techs to do that eventually anyway. It's one of those things that's only really important for the impatient, or people with a really bad set of starting planets.

>>173648882
I'm a fan of:
+25% border range first
+5 core worlds
+10% science

In that order. Leaves enough for 2 ascention (robot, psi or genetic) and voidborn+megastructure+ringworlds.

>>173648882

Mastery of nature allows you to forgo worrying about money and minerals, though. Instead of spending 100 minerals and 100 energy on just one tile, I can get 1/3 of a colony ship, a corvette, 2 buildings, an upgraded building... many more things that I imagine I'd get from the other ascension points.

>>173648668
> ooga booga where the mammalian women at
I like the premise, if I ever bother to get Utopia I'll probably rp my hivemind as a tentacle monster who literally rapes everyone to death by pleasure overload and that's why the purges happen.

I liked it better when threads weren't over in a few hours

>>173649046
>Instead of spending 100 minerals and 100 energy on just one tile
If you're clearing tile blockers in the early game when 200 mana is still something you worry about, you're doing it wrong

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We r8'ing each other's factions now?

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>>173649292
>

Does upgrading a starport increase its maintenance? by how much?

>>173649039
Is the border boost that big a deal? Though that may be because of my situation, there's this huge nebula full of resources but ZERO colonizable planets, for anyone, to the north of me.

>>173649838

I'd say it's situational. If there's something really good but not worth building a frontier base for, +borders can help. Though, there are other sources of it in the early game, can get a society tech for +20% and Supremacy opener for 20%.

>>173649547
Upgrading it in levels doesn't add maintenance, building modules does.

>can tolerate eu4
>like ck2
>like civ 4
>like civ 5
>can tolerate civ 6
>cannot for the life of me finish a game of stellaris

can someone post the weapons tech tree?

>playing as fanatic spiritualists
>meet other fanatic spiritualists

I can feel a crusade coming on

>>173649292
>accepting refugees
>Megacorporation
b-but anon you dont want to exploit that poor refugees as cheap workforce r-right?

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Tell me what you think about this Civ.

>>173650005
It's because not only does Stellaris have shit win condition and no real ending, the late game is where fun goes to die.

Late game crises are suppose to make the late game challenging, but they either pop up on the other side of the galaxy, where they get wiped out by the AI or snowball in an unstoppable juggernaut, or they pop up right next to you and you mop them up in a few seconds. The only fun I have in late game anymore is hoping that the War in Heaven pops, since it functions a bit like realm divide in TW Shogun.

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OH GOD THEY'RE SO CUTE
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>173650525
I want one

>>173650525
>[purging intensifies]

>>173650494
>lets give the player 50 more years to prepare, guaranteeing they will have more fleet power than they know what to do with
>lets make the AI's all effectively gang up on the threat, so they can defeat it on their own

genius, wiz, absolutely fucking genius

>>173650525
8/10 would subjugate, convert to empire's ethos and genetically modify to fit a role in it

>>173650482
I like it!

>>173649292
Didn't you do a MP session with some other people from here a while back?

>>173651339
Thank you :)

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>>173650525

>>173648385
Some guy was making these 10/10 looking orks, then randomly stopped and never posted a finished version

Still upset desu

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>>173649292
Hey cousin, mind if we come hang out for a while?

>>173650005
>like civ
Well you're a filthy plebeian casual see, thats the problem here boyo

>>173651378

No. I just made up that meme though I'm sure other people did it before, it was just a meme.

I'm quite glad Utopia added in a few 'cute' portraits to the game. Nice aliens or not we needed some cute ayys.

>>173652101
>havnt released any more portrait packs
Yadayada "DLC jewry"

But I would still like some more portraits paid or otherwise. I would kinda like something with more animals akin to earth animals gone sentient, like rats. Or a rat portrait where its actually 8 rats all on screen at once.

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>>173652304

What like, a hivemind? Or just family groups?

Or do you just like small rattos?

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>load up a new game
>decide to play tall
>pick warm engines
>just jet around to what is in sensor range
>8 habitable planets of my type, plus 3 not
>23,23,19,16,15,13,13,10
>all of them will fall within my borders after a brief extension
wew

>>173650494
if end game crisis are too easy for you maybe you should decrease the size of the galaxy, or better yet decrease the number of habitable planets. I usually play with 600 system with .25 habitable planets and I can manage prethoryn/AI uprising but unbidden fuck me in the ass every time.

>Colonize a holy world
>Give it to an AI you dont like

Would this work?

>>173652603
Well this is just a portrait, but it would be like a small group of rats all together on screen

People could pretend its a hivemind, or maybe just overcrowded.

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>>173652304
>>173652603
a bunch of rats holding eachother up to appear as one giant rat and using a sci-fi trenchcoat to conceal the rats

>>173652730
If they don't flat-out refuse because of the modifier, the FE would declare war on you faster than they would accept.

New playthrough in stellaris and been into wars, conquests, purge, and slavery more than any of my playthrough. Somehow this dlc is called "utopia".

>>173652626
>tfw only two habitable planets which aren't located on the other side of another fucking empire

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>building a habitat on uranus

Is there no way to stop autopurging conquered worlds as a hive mind?

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>When you see it

>>173653223
No. You're hive mind can't handle other races so it turns them into soylent green.

>>173648406
I played a trial version of stellaris :^) and I wanted to know if they fixed the inordinate amount of difficulty to colonizing a lot of planets, I played the release 1.0 version but I'm getting it tonight if its still on sale

>>173653632

If you want to specialize in it you can have around 15 core worlds by midgame

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>playing commonwealth cause new to game
>make 1st contact with other humans
>get this fucking message

Really Paradox? I know you fucks are lazy but come on. This is just garbage.

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>>173653632
they made it worse

Why the fuck aren't construction ships used at all in colonization?

I mean honestly, your only type of ships you really use are science ships, construction ships, and war ships. All three should be used to send a bunch of passengers to a new planet.

Science ships survey and scout, obviously.
Warships clear the area if needed.
Construction ships should have some kind of base-building mechanic. Maybe reducing the mineral cost of colony ships but making a cost to create the first settlement or 'satellite array' around the planet to help with communications.

Personally I want something like this because I dislike how having more then one construction ships feels wasteful, and once you get all the resource nodes in your territory they're useless until you get megaprojects.

Here's what happened. The awakened fallen empire had an ally.
The sleeping one fought the ally and got help from the awaken one.
They made a truce for a bit.
Later awakened fought sleeping again and defeated it.

Sleepy stayed sleepy. Never awoke. No war in heaven and horizon dlc is activated.

Does this happen often? There's a third -currently sleeping- fallen empire too, perhaps they'll do war in heaven.

Also, for worm I go back and forth to a black hole, or console?

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>>173653759
the greatest secret of the UNSC is the existence of native human populations on the colonies

it would be a pretty big discovery wouldn't it?

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Prepare your anus galaxy. Once I'm done enslaving these fucking xenos I'm coming for that ass.

So, does second ascension trait for genes get any event? Or just the bonuses in modification?

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So what sort of fun roleplaying empires have you all been doing recently?

I'm playing these guys; with the mission to stop wasteful and consumerist empires from polluting their own planets and to liberate gaia worlds from other races, who are incapable of managing them correctly. That's my race's theme. But what about you guys?

Do you play really industrious mineral miners? Greedy rich space jews? Or are you all just edgy human/elf empire building fanatic purifiers?

>>173654005
Yep. And the fact that all you get is the defalut "muh spooky ayy lmaos" is bullshit.

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>>173653759
Deneb & Sol seem pre-programmed to be near each other, which makes sense considering one's the lost colony of the other. What doesn't make sense is that if you integrate Sol as Deneb humans on Earth aren't considered "native" to earth so they get only 80% habitability.

Which is still an improvement from the time where humans on the Unity colony were considered completely alien to the Earth humans.

Would like more lost human colonies though, how about a game start where there's 5 human colonies (and the lost hyacinth colony ship) surrounding sol.

>>173653759
That exact same message comes up when you play hivemind.

Those crazy swedes.

Does /civ4xg/ do any modding? What programs should I look into for creating a mod for Stellaris?

I want to make a mega structure, a massive shipyard. Something that can build 4+ ships at a time at a reduced cost.

P.S. The Science Nexus is fucking stupid. Whats the point of building it if I have already cleared each tech tree?

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[satisfied capitalist laugh in the distance]

>>173654893
wat gam

>>173655112
Offworld Trading Company.
A pretty fun, if frustrating game, where your goal is to destroy your opponent by buying their company.

That means making more dosh than them. The sad part is that it means rushing to get the teleportation technology. As long as you have it, it's awwright.

>>173655112
the one with the woman hijab-wearing muslim somehow leading a faction of moderate muslims into space

What would happen if you built a dyson sphere around a black hole?

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>play as pacifist xenophobes
>literally the modus operandi of my species is "please don't bother us and leave us alone"
>every alien species in the galaxy hates my guts and wants to exterminate me for wanting to be alone

>>173655680
well lik a candle witout oxygen it'd extinguish itself dawg

>>173655957
Just like real life :^)

>>173655957
This happens on modern-day Earth all the time. :^)

>Unbidden arrive
>their portal is on the other side of the galaxy from me, right in between a huge nation and a wide-spread alliance
Sweet. I assume I can just kick back and keep building megastructures. Bide my time and all that.

>>173655957
>declare war on the good natured birds that are one of the few empires that have a friendly relationship with me, lots of trade deals too
>they literally reply with your pic
Poor birds. I felt kinda bad for them.

>>173649292
>not naming the capital Chevy Chase and the system Maryland

Planetary survey corps is fucking based/broken as fuck.
Every survey gives a third of a month of research and every sector has half a dozen things to tag. Three survey vessels have kept me at double research speed for 80+ years (zero point power at 2320) and I still have a quarter of the medium map left to harvest.

>>173655957
Just like in high school :^)

>>173655969
But if that were true then why wouldn't the same thing happen to a star? It'll go red giant much earlier.

>>173656250
>tfw don't want to trade star maps with people because I'd rather survey the shit myself

>>173656326
stars got plenty of uranium inside np

>>173656250
How many science ships are you running?

>>173653787
>>173653753
Oh fug well are there any mods that fix it?

>>173656583
I had a great game where 60 years in I had, no joke, 15 science ships on auto-survey duty

>>173656738
I pump out 10 as soon as I get auto-survey

>>173656738
>>173656854
Oh I forgot, get in with a science enclave, it unlocks a rare science ship component tech that boosts survey speed by 25%

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>>173656738

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Thoughts on my faction?

Efficient bureaucracy and xenophobe for big borders to simulate 'muh blob, muh 1/3 of the earth'

Otherwise I would've picked an authoritarian set of ethics

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>>173655957

Should have been a benevolent psychic slaver like me mate.

>>173656916
Probably requires warp because with wormholes you run out of places to scan quickly.

>>173657065
>with wormholes you run out of places to scan quickly.

>he doesn't cover the entire galaxy in wormholes
git gud

Is there any way to recreate The Culture in this game?

>>173656583
3 science ships.
The research boost is given as bonus points so you can only double research at most.

I was running slave mineral mines all over so my research was AWFUL(40-80 on 4-8 worlds) but I was cranking +200 minerals while racing tech faster than anyone.

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Will I get reamed by FE if I build a Frontier Outpost to block off a Holy Gaia World?

I know they instantly ream you if you colonize, but I just want to have the near region to build shit in.

>>173653952
>Why the fuck aren't construction ships used at all in colonization?
?
When I colonize a planet I use construction ships a lot, to get at all the new spess resources that are now within my borders.

Dedicated colony ships make sense because I don't expect my construction ships to carry around a million young, fertile women everywhere they go.

>>173657265
Don't block it you want someone else to colonize it and get their shit pushed in.
Just like what happened to those poor suckers pushing against my isolationist fallen empire northern border.

>>173657471

He's just autistic and means in a literal sense, why don't construction ships go down and build shit on the planet.

>>173657178
Mechanist civic + [Parliamentary? Technocracy?]
Pacifist/Egalitarian/Materialist
Genetic ascension
Democratic
Traits as to taste

Build megastructures


So yes

>>173653962
a) Unless you bought Leviathans DLC you get no War In Heaven ever
b) Unless the sleeping fallen empire is the opposite ethics to the awakened one, you also get no War In Heaven

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>>173657265
Nope, you can have the Holy World inside your territory and the religious FE won't attack you.

I had the space nomad event and they asked to colonize that Holy World, FE stomped on them in a week but left me alone.

>>173654819
Weird seeing as they are considered the same species in game

>>173653962
...and c) you now have to console, they took out the back-and-forth worm exploit with 1.5

>>173657592
I have leviathans, yes.
But they were fanatic materialist and fanatic militarist, so I guess that's a no?

>>173657575
No GSVs though.

>>173657524
>>173657471
I could see construction ships being involved with space port construction, maybe speeding up construction.

What I would like to see though is construction ships doubling as repair ships for fleets. Or maybe as mobile shipyards for corvette sized ships.

>>173657649

Fuck that's funny, poor bastards. You memed them good m8

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What's the best first Tradition if I plan to colonize about 5-6 worlds in my immediate area but never expand beyond that? (ie: tall)

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>tfw mods are slowly gettinng updated for banks

>>173657728
Wait, since they took the back and forth, how are you supposed to get worm? Small chance at first time entering a black hole area?

>>173657649

Did the nomads get raped by the FE or are they only programmed to REEEEEEEE if a human player colonizes a holy world?

>>173657750
I meant fanatic xenophobe, but same deal, apparently.

>>173657885
> More than 3 planets
> Tall
Survey corps and prep your slave butts for mining.

>+1,6 influence if I declare a Fallen Empire rival

Will they attack me if I rival them?

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Typical elf behavior.

>>173658147

Probably yeah.

>>173657920
Correct. They removed back-and-forth but increased the first-time probability from 0.5% to 1%.
(I've still never seen it because I never attempted the exploit in 1.4)

>>173658075
>I had the space nomad event and they asked to colonize that Holy World, FE stomped on them in a week but left me alone.

I think he answered your question already lol

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I haven't played Stellaris in months, considering all the "new stuff" like traditions what's the new meta?

>>173658147
As long as they sleep they enjoy you giving them a good laugh.

>>173656221

Unless that system is a wasteland it shouldn't be called maryland.

>>173658152
I take it space elves mod need some revamping

>>173658152
Smelly dumb Elven (insult_plural)

>>173658147
If you piss them off below -200 I think they get mad.

>>173658152
I wanna insert into her plurally.

>>173658114
Please, you only gain +25% more unity costs which goes even lower once you get the expansion tree. 5 colonies is the optimal for Unity spam.

>>173658240
BURN
MAIM
EAT

>>173658648
>65% vs 130%

Picking 3 good worlds > rushing 6

just going over the new stuff and just noticed you can set yourself as fanatic purifiers. neato and all but after reading it, it feels like something they would have thought of sooner.

Quick, give me traits, ethics, etc for a The Papacy

>>173657909
>No new ethics mods though since it requires a fuckload of coding
Win some, lose some.

>>173659125
It's amazing how far you can get on so few worlds. The main thing is you can chain build planet tiles to the max (development project) to get a very strong population pretty early.

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What does /4xg/ think about the reddit (((Prosperity))) start?

>corporatist ethic needs egalitarian
>no way to make a "money at any cost" faction who isnt above using slavery to turn a quick profit

I miss mega-corps and gov types

>>173655957
Xenophobe makes no sense

Xenophobe should just mean your race doesnt like others, Fanatic xenophobe should mean other races dont like you

Honestly the whole Ethics system is shit. It should be ripped out and replaced with a selection of traits that may or may not have opposites. Forcing opposites gives you these retarded competitive Ethics that either dont make sense as opposites or dont make sense being exclusive of each other.

If they just had a big list of typical government traits then people could make more interesting government types.

>>173659258
>modern
pacifist xenophillic/egalitarian spiritualists - dictatorship

>1400ad
xenophobic militaristic spiritualists - dictatorship


>400ad
xenophobic spiritualist authoritarians - dictatorship

I have 2 colonies.
One has the happy gas that makes people happy but increases ethics divergence.
The other has presentient life on it.
I'm playing as fanatic spiritualist - militarist New Jerusalem sort of thing.
Should I remove the happy gas and what do I do with the presentients?

>>173659258
>Fanatic Spiritualist
>Either Xenophile, Militarist, or Pacifist depending on what kind of Papacy you want to play
>Oligarchic authority
>Exalted Priesthood and Cutthroat Politics

>>173659729
>Fanatic xenophobe should mean other races dont like you
what did he mean by this? this is Repugnant.

Xenophobe - Dislike other races.
Fanatic - Hate other races.

>>173659464
People dont realize that until you get a world up and running, which can take years, its a massive detriment to your empire

You have all these people who rush and settle planets early on for the space when you have a perfectly good frontier system to use instead. You can rocket ahead in science/unity by just sticking to a couple of big worlds rather than massive numbers of shitty ones.

>nothing for ancap libertarian isolationists
shaking my head

>>173659794

>Should I remove the happy gas
Yes, drugs are the tool of the devil

>what do I do with the presentients
Uplift them and teach them the word of Christ, or leave them alone if you think genetic tampering is trying to play God.

>>173659943

only tried and true things are in the game, bud

>>173659858
Thats why this system is entirely shit, it should promote play styles not be dictated by perceptions

There should be an ethic whereby your people dont like other races, but other races dont give a shit about you. And there should be an ethic that makes your people not just hate other races, but want to exterminate them.

>>173659660
what is there meme strategy?

>>173656616
50 core world mod has well.

>>173660030
>socialism is in the game
>socialism is the best ethic in the game
famalam

>>173659942
Yeah. The planet land grab game isn't that serious because pop growth is initially very slow. You can max out tiles as fast as pops come in so all that matters are a few high quality worlds.

Getting frontier outposts in the middle of resource clusters is pretty clutch though.

>>173660192
Collectivism is now Authoritarianism chap.

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>>173659746
What about traits? All I can think of for now is Intelligent. Took fanatic pacifist and spiritualist so I can rush ascension. We must ascend to a higher plan to meet God.

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>>173660083
Basically quite a few people are posting the same strategy:

Open up with prosperity in order to get the discounted mining stations. Then you pick up private colony ships so you can spend your energy instead of minerals. By that time you're wanting to start expanding, you can move into exploration.

With the amount of minerals you save on stations, and using "useless" energy to buy your colony ships, you're able to "snowball" faster.

It honestly doesn't sound bad, given the uselessness of Exploration's start and the negligible impact of missing a few years of +1 Unity.

>>173660459
>Intelligent
>thinking the entity responsible for mental repression across the globe is conducive to science research

>>173660487
What? I am always hurting for energy all game. And exploration free tech for surveying is OP as fuck.

>>173660617
Then make some suggestions, dick. I'm not sure so I just thought about end game, where I want to be ascended.

>>173660487
Tried that to start. It's a good starter strat. I moved on to +30% slaves working the sugar mines. They dig up so many minerals and you only need like two colony ships for a while.

/tv/ fag here,

I have a 64 Vram, 4GB Ram, 2.53 Ghz Core Duo

Can I run Civ4?

If no: Fuck my life
If yes: Is running a later Civ even a possibility?

>>173660674
The idea is that in the early game, when you're sitting on energy surpluses, that you use it to expand. It's a completely early-game focused build.

The idea is it puts you 1000-2000 minerals ahead of your neighbors/opponents depending on the number of colonies and mining stations you build.

>>173660487
What? Unless you get a mondo energy start you are always struggling for "useless" energy for the first 20 years or so.

>>173660847
My early game energy is entirely dependent on whether I am surrounded by energy resources. I've abandoned games because I can't advance energy tech and there are nothing but minerals around me.

>>173659942
I actually ran into a problem with that in the last game I played. I was playing a middle sized pacifist-spiritualist civ I had specced for maximum core worlds. Unbidden cleared out half the galaxy before getting beaten, so I figured I should colonize it before the AI could get their hands on it and balloon in to something difficult to deal with. Turns out that pops take their consumer goods cost out of the sectors rather than the empire mineral pool, so I had dozens of shit tier colonies with no buildings and full pops, mostly from mass emmigration from the core world and some migration treaties I had, that produced almost nothing and massively slowed down my tech.

>>173660795
doesn't hurt to pirate

>>173660847
I find that strong scientist leaders is a pretty strong early game because they find more loot, survey faster, and find those tasty +3 anomalies.

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>make a tall race
>F. Peace/Xeno + Inwards perfection/Agrarian Idyll
>1000 stars, 30 races, 4 fallen empires, forced hyperlanes
>Get this
Thank you based RNG Jesus for this comfy experience

>>173661140
I am torrenting it right now. 3,07 Gb is a pain in the ass if your bandwidth never goes beyond 600 kb/s

>>173661063
That sounds shitty to deal with but im glad its an issue you can come across

Mass expansion should have its drawbacks you need to manage

they should buff the faster breeder trait

>>173660795
>>173661140

To anyone who is willing to answer my question:

should I get Stellaris? I tried getting into CK2 but the learning curve is so steep I could never go beyond uniting Ireland.

So basically my question is: Is Stellaris easier to master than CK2 or is just as steep?

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>>173659942
So discussions have me wondering...
When IS the right time to start colonizing worlds?

>>173661381
They should buff food production period.

You can go 400+ food and still get shitty growth.

Hey found two mods that allow you to have robotic and psionic ascension perks for the hive mind.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=900183113

>>173661381
Percentile bonuses are additive.

If you aren't getting -60% growth time you're doing it wrong.

ok wait, I never heard anything about slowing down your addition of new worlds until the expansion. so you people are saying I should get my first planet going strong before colonizing another world and sticking to outposts right?

>>173661504
That depends on what you're going for, what worlds you have available, what resources are around those worlds

>>173661504
When you find a 19+ world with excellent growing tiles like +3s and +2+1s.

>>173661480
far easier to play from a newbie's perspective; you just expand, expand, expand in Stellaris

What settings do you guys usually play at? From what I've seen, quite a few people play with hyperlanes only. Does it make the game funner or something?

>>173661365
I agree, but my main issue is that I didn't have a whole lot of recourse to correct my self created problem. I would had to spend a fuckload of time and influence taking planets out of sectors, building them up, then putting them back in to make those sectors sustainable, or I could break my fucking mouse sitting there clicking on the "add mineral" button in the sector screen (seriously what the fuck Paradox, why can't I put more than 100 minerals per click?). It'd be nice if I could either switch all pops, or at least all the pops in a sector, to use the empire mineral/energy/food pool from the policies screen , or if I could designate an amount of my monthly income to go to a sector instead of having to manually add it in lump sums.

>>173661667
Minimum 300 fleet power before you make your first colony

Is there any space game where you can actually colonize planets in a way that isn't retarded?

If people have the capability to live on starships for extended periods of time, there is no reason they couldn't use that same technology to create large scale space stations around gas giants, or build biodoms on ice, toxic, or barren worlds.

All that shit should be available from the start of the game. Getting high density cities, productive factories, rare resources, and terraforming should all be the long term and difficult part of colonization, not living on a planet's surface. That's not even that fuck hard, we can almost do that without a warp drive.

>>173661667
There are a lot of bonuses to staying small. Research and unity gets a penalty per planet and extra starports mean nothing without strong mineral backbone. Each pop also consumes food AND minerals (and the structures need energy ofc) so you need to make them count.

>>173661667
Every new world increases the amount of Unity you need for more traditions. Every new pop also increases the amount of time it takes to research a tech.

You just need to keep both of these in consideration when taking new planets. Is taking that 12 tile planet that has 8 tile blockers really going to benefit you enough in the long run to justify the penalty in the short term? Can you get away with not taking new worlds? Maybe sitting on what planets you have now and just researching for a couple of years will be more beneficial than taking three more planets and having them all produce pops increasing the research time.

Also unrelated i just read this on the wiki and what the fuck I didnt know you could do this
>Sometimes the most ideal planet tiles to settle on will be unavailable to you when first colonizing a planet, most often because of tile blockers. It is, however, possible to relocate your Reassembled Ship Shelter for free by demolishing the existing one and rebuilding it on another tile. This process takes up to 6 months, however, so it might be a good idea to secure your pops another food source before relocating the Shelter. Alternatively, when the time comes to upgrading to the Planetary Assembly, you can in a similar fashion destroy the Reassembled Ship Shelter for so to construct the Planetary Assembly wherever you prefer. Given sufficient technology, you can this way make sure your Capital building is located at the best spot possible.

>unbidden invade
>fallen empires awaken
>start fighting each other
Truly, it is the end of times.

Where's the megaconstruction for build a super star-sized escape pod to get the fuck out of this galaxy?

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is this a decent 4x?

>>173661838
Hyperlanes-only means that everyone is using those lines to move around. Chokepoints and border defense become viable strategies, blockades are serious business, and if you're needing to get across a neighbor's territory repeatedly, you have to learn to suck alien cock if you don't feel up for conquering them.

It's a lot of fun in an Elliptical map. In a 4-Arm Spiral it can get kind of tedious having to ask for permission to go everywhere.

>>173661838
Full hyperlanes adds a layer of depth to the game in that you can only travel very specific lanes so you have to war/diplomacy to open them. Likewise it also makes the game a little easier because if you are up against a stronger enemy, you can bottle neck the shit out of them.

>>173661667
Get up to your core system count, then make sure you build up a world as much as possible before you hand it off to a sector. Slow and steady growth is much better than rapid expansion. Make sure you use frontier outposts to grab critical areas rather than a full colony if you can do so.

>>173661480

Knock yourself out. My situation is the same as yours. CK2 fucked me over in so many ways. Stellaris I beat my second 1.5 game already. Wish it was kind of deeper? Maybe it'll get there in a couple of years.

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>>173661838

>funner

>>173662050
Well it says 3X on that picture so I would say no

>>173661989
>Is there any space game where you can actually colonize planets in a way that isn't retarded?
You could try MoO or Aurora, or just mod Stellaris until it meet your satisfaction.

Is it possible to play as a slave-owning species that other empires will open migration treaties with?

I want an enormous empire of happy, productive slaves to feed my expansion.

I feel that an Autocratic caste system is the only way to make Sectors work somewhat as intended.

>>173661886
>>173661996
>>173662009
ok so these are changes that were brought on by unity then? because before that I don't think there was any downside to just colonizing like a motherfucker.

>>173662217
>Is it possible to play as a slave-owning species that other empires will open migration treaties with?
Yes

But I would take Charismatic just for the diplomatic boost

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>Get the "In Limbo" quest
>complete it
>usually the stored conciousnesses end up as 350 points of engineering
>this time I have Synthetic Acension and robotics tech up the ass so I have the option to bring them back to life in mechanical vessels
>the fly off to restart their empire again as "the Awoken"
>first thing they do when I open up their empire comm window is a fucking insult

Nigga I brought you out of the grave I can put you back in it.

What would a Catholic space papacy name their worlds after? I dont wanna name them *all* after saints

>>173662302
The research penalty has been in since the start

Why is the ai SO fucking opposed to ever giving me a research deal but the only way for me to build trust is to give them free research?

>>173662217
Yes.

Conquer empires and make them your slaves.

Migration complete.

>>173662362
Biblical placenames, Roman cities, holy sites, etc. Everything oughta be in Latin.

>>173662412
true but it never felt like it had any significant impact to be honest.now that all of these effects are in play though it seems to really matter.

>>173662217
>Is it possible to play as a slave-owning species that other empires will open migration treaties with?
Authoritarian-Xenophile with the Charismatic species trait. Give lots of gifts, and guarantee as many empires as possible. Also liberation wars, lots of liberation wars.

>>173662448
The AI MUST have a mutual research deal and they will accept no alternative.

The best science deals are from conquered empires because you can get an extra +30% boost from unity bonus.

>>173662540
It didnt matter too much because we didnt have traditions

But traditions mean a fuckton now, even if you're not RPing for megas or one of the end game races.

Also Frontier outposts are cheaper because we get more influence from factions than we used to, so there is far less reason to use planets for space expansion when you can build 6 frontier outposts and gobble up space that way with no penalties.

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>>173662354
I had up to droid tech so they colonized a world for me and put 3 normal droids on it. Synths are a mistake.

>>173662704
sounds good then, just have to play slightly differently. also I guess food is empire wide now? There were mods that tried to mess with that a little but before actually getting in game to mess with it, it sounds like a god send.

>Decide to build tall
>Have 3 planets and no intention of claiming any more.
>Soaring unity and tech
>But everything is maxed out and I'm sitting on piles of minerals that I just buy diplomacy with

Am I doing this right?

>>173662843

> Max stockpiles
Stop playing on fastest.
Make fleet and kill.

>>173662843
Basically yes, get the mega-structures tech/ascension perks to spend excess minerals on and go even taller.

>It's something we didn't have time for but I will try to find time to improve in future updates.
t. wiz on how lacking in content hiveminds are

>>173663051
every form of civ is shallow desu

>>173662843
No.
Get more worlds and max out their unity.
Then give those worlds away to lower unity cost and go on a buying spree.

>>173663051
>Major feature of the expansion
>Don't worry guys we'll add more content for it later!
Typical Paradox. Basically every feature added by Utopia is lacking and shows a lack of focus. The only thing thats properly fleshed out is the psionic ascendancy tree.

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How does this make you feel?

>>173662997
>Make fleet and kill

Why? I see nothing to gain from it

>>173663272
It will come in a dlc you have to pay for as well.

They literally just did it in eu4.
>devastation added in the free patch
>as devastation increases you get a shitload of bad maluses
>but to get any benefit from having no devastation in the province you have to buy the $20 dlc

>>173662840
Food it bugged or something, it doesnt give the growth you would want

Wide is just mass build colonist and have lots of ethics attraction

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>>173653759
>get popup at how my people are going nuts over us discovering some bugs on a nearby planet
>claiming it to be the first contact with other lifeforms
>meanwhile pirates are floating around nearby in a system with an Artisan Enclave that wants to paint me pretty pictures

>>173663373
3 world masterrace desu

>>173663452
Vassals and tributaries.
When you tire of growing tall absorb a vassal and get instant wide.

How do torpedo boat corvettes compare to interceptors??

I am about to create my first Stellaris civilization. What is the edgiest civ I can create? Come on, anons, prove to me that 4chan is the best place on Earth for edgy fags like me.

>>173663492
>It will come in a dlc you have to pay for as well.
That's why I said "Typical Paradox". They've done this with every game since at least EU3 (CK2 is where it got really bad though), introduce a half-assed feature in a major patch or expansion, don't flesh it out until the next major expansion, milk the community with BS cosmetic DLC in the mean time.

>>173663706
How did that dog turn into a lamb?

is there any reason i should get a migration treaty in any game ever?

>>173663752
Good to have a mix, Torpedo corvettes rape Battleships alive (and the AI loves to flex its cock by building unnecessary battleships)

>>173663795
maybe there's a vampire mod out there

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Is there any way to turn off the political color circles? Or make them just an outline of your territory?

I want to see the pretty stars, not this sheet of fucking blue.

>>173663706
They really need to update the first contact events, also speaking of events, I'm kind of sad that they got rid of the event when you colonize you first world.

>>173663842
Migration is great for power growing a peaceful type of empire. Steal their pops and stunt their growth.

For tall? Nah, it's shit.

>>173663842
If you want to be (((culturally diverse)))

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>>173662309
>>173662465
>>173662548
Am I on the right track?

I thought about taking Militarist instead of Spiritualist, but I figured the bonus to unrest would be a better choice.

Your thoughts?

>>173663973
>>173663842
I used migration treaty as a xenophobe commonwealth of man empire, it meant my xenos would all migrate away while my humans stayed because of the nice social welfare.

>>173658240
If you wanna win multiplayer, hivemind.
If you wanna win single player, just unity rush Survey Corps tradition and wallow in infinite tech.
I got lance battleships in 2272 and I didn't even try

>cant take supremacy (last tradition) because if i do my neighboring fanatic xenophobe isolationist fallen empire will jump drive to my capital and destroy 8 orbital habitats

>>173664102
Looks solid, play it and let us know how it works

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>>173664292
>last tradition
>cant hold off an unawakened FE

anyone RP'ing the xcom aliens, spiritualist gene engineers that go around enslaveing every other primative

>>173664102
>Shiyr Khanate.
>Lungri.
>Syoni.

I SEE WHAT YOU'RE DOING THERE.

>>173664292
> Can't
> Won't
Come onnnnnn don't be a fag. Or donate that world to a xenophobic (large border) shmuck.

>>173664292
Xeno FEs no longer react to organic border growth, they only get pissy from frontier outposts or founding colonies. So you can take supremacy

>>173664548
oh really? i've been spooked for nothing then

> own 8 worlds
> Have over 80 vassilized / tributary worlds
It feels good to be king.

I made a robot pop but now I can't dismantle them, I also can't set their rights. What gives? It's just a basic non sentiant robot pop, and now I'm stuck with it

>>173656358
Discovery tradition makes it completely pointless to trade star maps

So I know everyone here hates Stellaris and all but

It's the best game out there right now. Right? I mean what other game gives you all those options, interesting galaxies to play in, the ability to create space empires like this? I'm guessing there really aren't any, at least not with the modern flair and good enough mechanics as Stellaris has.

>>173664831
> Fanatic authoritarian
> Xenophile
It's great. My starting pops have started to become minorities as THE SYSTEM takes control of the galaxy. Alien pops fight alien wars and funnel all the rewards to this tiny subset of people that only have a few bases in the galaxy.

Oh my God.

I've made space Jews.

>>173665004
Yep. Even though their description says you can dismantle them, you can't.

Only way I found how is to prohibit AI policy to dismantle ALL robots for 10 years. Useful if you can move populations and just leave 1 robot on the crappy worlds.

So, Horizon Signal no longer grants free traits, right?

Which means I can tell the portrait change to fuck right off?

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>>173665132
>It's the best game out there right now. Right?


No. Its a game out there right now. It just happens to do enough to separate itself from the norm that it can appeal to the tastes of some more than the tastes of others.

>>173664228
>Hive mind in multi

Explain

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>>173663051
Surprising literally nobody.

what's the point of unity after you have all the things?

>>173665290
>Tachunka

>>173665679
i shoulda known blizzfag overwatch shits would be playin a game as casual as stellaru

>>173665542
Nothing, dismantle the buildings

Why the hell can you no longer "liberate" FEs?

I can do with a ringworld and a qtr but what I really wanted was an ally in the form of the strongest fucking empire.

People bitch about Paradox DLC but I can think of a dozen games I wish I could pay $20 every few months to have the amount of content that is put out.

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>>173666354

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>"I can't believe you've done this"

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>>173666413
>he doesn't wait for the quarterly 75% off sale
>one which literally just happened

Why isn't there a mechanic for sliding victory scales in any strategy game?

What I mean it; sometimes it's dumb when you play strategy games and you win a 'science' victory when another faction is just a few turns away, or if you win a military victory when they've got their own army parked on your capital as well.

Games should have sliding victory scales. If you have more fleet power then anyone and are conquering everyone, but another faction is just a few turns away from getting some super tech, then the game doesn't end until one of you falls behind enough to qualify as no longer in the running for victor. Or if you and other faction both count as being extremely close to winning, then one of you will have to fulfill or almost fulfill another victory condition to qualify, and then they'll win for having two dominant factors over the whole world/galaxy.

Why hasn't this been done?

>Why isn't there a mechanic for sliding victory in car races?
>It's dumb when you race cars and you win a victory when another driver is just a few seconds away.

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This explains so much

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>>173666413

>>173662843
>build tall
What did he mean by this?

>>173666660
Distant Worlds scales difficulty as you near victory

>>173666954
See, this is a good example of Jewry. Total War does this with cosmetic shit too; there's a good example of a strategy game being complete jews. Imagine my luls when Creative and Games Workshop collabed on a game. A Jewricane

Paradox got rightfully hammered over the Plantoid DLC, but I would hesitate to categorize Leviathans or Utopia with $30 train skins.

>>173666791
So he's not actually in charge of making it work? That's not exactly surprising, so it's all the project leads fault it doesn't work?

>>173666954
[obligatory "I-It's not so bad if you bought them spaced out over time!"]

>>173667153
Yeah seems as much. He has good ideas but the rest of his subordinates are the ones failing to properly deliver on them to the depth he probably intends. Or he's just really bad at design so it hurts the end product even though the production end is making exactly what he wants.

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What would a space-faring Reich call itself?
Also, Dictatorial or Star Empire?

Show me your Stellaris state/species and I will judge you

>>173667379
>no authoritarian
Priorities, anon.

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>>173667464

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Why does this game run so much slower than other Paradox titles with quintuple the nation counts? Is it that inefficient at deciding what patches of energy/research/ore to mine and when?

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>>173667480
This was my priority. Believe me, I wanted it.

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>>173667118
>Plantoid DLC
This was apparently so painful to make they may not be doing another one for a while

What difficulty to play on

Every time I try to play on Hard, I get attacked by fleets with x5+ times my fleet power

>>173667561
Other paradox games don't have thousands of stars and giant fleets and shit everywhere. They also aren't nearly as pretty.
You even zoom in on a big fight? I'm playing on a NASA flight calculations computer and I only get 25 fps.

>severe lack of resources causing me to develop at a snail's pace leaving my outclassed by all my neighbours
>literally nowhere to go since i've already colonised the five (barely) habitable planets i could find


boy, what a game this is

>>173667660
Combat probably makes less than 1% of all total calculations.

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>>173667379
Juicesus how did you do it please?

>>173667489

Star Trek/10

Serious Judgement: Comfy/10

>>173667767
You asked why it's more intensive than other paradox titles, and I explained that it has much higher graphical fidelity and takes place on a larger scale.
It isn't hard to run, buy a new toaster.

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r8, and just ignore the spelling mistakes

>>173667780
What the Swastika? I searched "Swastika" on the Stellaris workshop.

>>173667561
>image
Christianity was the only thing that kept knowledge around during the rise of barbarism you unenlightened pleb

>>173667820
Why would you think I have a toaster?
Graphical fidelity has nothing to do with it either since you don't need to render on-going fights.

>>173667883
>just ignore the spelling mistakes
No

>>173667887
look up the iron sky mod, it's got everything you need for space krauts

>>173667926
Because you are bitching about performance that isn't resource-intensive at all. It's just more resource intensive than most other games.

>>173667153
>>173667354
even if they have good ideas and good executors they may be hamstrung by the technical side, or like six different other possibilities
he doesn't say who's in charge of who or if they're just expected to work together. the latter is especially troubling

>>173667621
Why don't they just make more species for the existing types then?

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>Pacifist allies somehow get into a war with a Fallen Empire that doesn't even touch their borders less than 50 years into the game.
Fucking why? I signed a defensive pact because I expected them to fight the slaver empire that rivaled them, not to start this bullshit.

>>173667907
More accurately, collapse of political stability.

>>173667660
>I'm playing on a NASA flight calculations computer
amazing you can run it on something with 6 kb of ram

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>>173667464

>>173665327
Hive mind has a huge (if boring) resource advantage because you have no unhappiness, therefore you can ignore consumer goods and habitability.

This is very good in multiplayer.

In single player the advantage is more than cancelled out by the perma-genocide requirement which inevitably causes you to be hated and DoW'd by all the AIs at once.

But if you're playing multiplayer this isn't much of a problem.

>>173668038
>Ai declares war on stupid ass AI ally
>All my planets are the war goals

OKAY LET ME TELL YOU WHY THATS BULLSHIT

>>173667561
>>173667907

I am a historian with a phd in history and folklore of the Mediterranean Basin. This "Christianity halted human development" meme drives us historians mad. It was the DECENTRALISATION of the countries around the Mediterranean Sea that halted human development. This includes even North African countries, the Levant and Anatolia.

The new secular states that rose from the ashes of the Roman Empire didn't sit down and think about improving the human condition because they were at war or about to become at war. Several non-secular entities (and some nobles who cared) preserved knowledge until the fever that was the "dark ages" died out and Renaissance picked up that knowledge and ... you know what happened.

All in all, the Church did well preserving old knowledge but they also did badly by smiting anything that contradicts her and threatens her hold over "Christendom".

>>173668273
> having allies
Don't call it a grave, it's the future you chose

Endless Space 2?

>>173668358
>It was the DECENTRALISATION of the countries around the Mediterranean Sea that halted human development.
Nice try gommie, back to pleddit with you.

>>173668465
But commies hate christians

>>173668465
>muh commies

liberals go in the trash

WoW.

Science really breaks the game in utopia

>>173668142
>Xenophile
>Pacifist

Ehmmm/10

So hol' up.

The three new ascendices are Biological/Evolutionary, Synthetic, and Psionic right?

But Psionic is only available to spiritual ethics.

Is Synthetic tied to Engineering research and Biological tied to Society? I ask because then it would seem like the physics based research wouldn't have a tied in Ascendancy? Or is not really based on research types like that?

>>173668038
Oh now I see why.

He settled the planet right on their borders and is pushing into their territory.

Is there any way to save my ass?

>>173668720
Synthetic is a mix, you need to climb up to Synths I think to use them. Biological needs the gene engineering tech so you need to rush Society as well.

>>173668708

>dude if you play as anything other then xenophobe fanatical purifiers you're a le cuck xd

Go back to >>>/pol/ you fucking faggot.

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For the last time, star empire or dictatorial?

>>173668720
Psionic requires you to be spiritualist to get psy tech and start on your way.
Synthetic requires you to NOT be spiritualist to get robot tech and start on your way.
Biological is free for all.
However, now you can change ethics so it's not really a hard lock.

>>173668915
Dictatorial.

>>173668865
I am a muslim sandnigger, bro. I goddamn hate /pol/ with all my heart. I find xenophile and pacifist traits in a conquer 'em all galactic war game odd, hence the "ehmmmm/10".

>>173668915
Dictatorial.

>>173668915
>Germans
>gave them "slow learners" trait

Oh, the irony!

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>take Philosopher King as a Dictator
>it does nothing beyond your first ruler
....so literally why take it?

>>173668915
Kaiserreich is more based than Hitler's reich so I will go with Empire because I have a soft spot for Wilhelm II.

>>173668167
Interesting

>>173668724
Are your worlds part of the wargoals?
If no, just hide your fleet in a corner of the galaxy and wait for this all to blow over.
If yes, ur fucked.

Why isn't Stellaris turn based? Is there seriously a reason it needs to be stop and go press the spacebar simulator instead of just being a nice, good ol' fashioned turn based game?

The game is already pretty much turn based with how it stutters every new month and you get new resources each month. It might as well just have been turn based.

>>173668358
>I'm a historian
>muh renaissance

Unless you're talking about the twelfth century "renaissance" then you belong in the trash.

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>For three games now slaving despots have been my biggest bros in the cosmos

I was certain they were going to generic bandit evangelizing zealots.

>We may be slavers, but we aren't assholes!

>>173669348
I'd rather just sit and watch my science ships survey then have to hit space every second.

>>173669326
No, he just wants to purge the offending colony and humiliate my allies.

Since I'm so far from the FE I'm hoping they devote their time to purging his planets and have their goal before they get to me.

>Supremacy
>Domination
>These are two different tradition trees

Why?

How does the technosphere event chain work? What triggers it to open?

>>173669649
>one is for pew pew ships
>One is solely for taking vassals

Why not?

>>173669649
The supreme can stand alone.

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>sentient AI
>or +5% to all research

I don't know if I want to take the safe option, or try and see if I can finally start the AI rebellion crisis (which I've never seen before). Not like I use robutts in my spiritualist empire anyways.

>>173664228
>>173668167
Thanks senpai sounds solid
Its Good because i was going for a tall civ with unity focus in SP, i really wanted to try hivemind though but that's behind a 20 bucks DLC that i wont get unless i begin to want it really badly

>>173669026
You don't have to conquer them all, especially now that all Crisises have been buffed and you can shit out your own Warp God.

>+105% research

Is there a cap on this?