/rlg/ - Roguelike General

First for stag.

requesting Amy make a new .deb file for a fan of her game since he's a pleb who can't compile shit correctly.

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favorite youtube players?

so far mine are theuberhunter and Non Read

Is MuMo possible or is it just a dumb challenge people take for the fun of it? I'm new so it's hard for me to really tell if crawl is balanced to the point something like that is possible.

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>finally get a run that doesn't crash mid-shot
>or while walking around
>reach floor 15 where a bunch of loreboxs are
>try to pick one up
>suddenly get 3 paragraphs about how you're literally a god and you (or someone like you) set up the opening paragraphs from the game: you win
>try to screencap it but ctrl+prt sc refuses to work while the CS window is in the foreground
>minimize windows until I'm on the desktop screen and can screencap that with CS in the background
>by the time that's done the screen has gone white and CS has started to draw ungodly amounts of resources
>have to close the screen, sans submission of score
:(
It's sad when crashes have ended more games than the difficulty in a "roguelike"

>>173415203
DemiseAU

>>173417735
why didn't you take a picture of the screen with your phone or somethin?

>>173417882
I foolishly believed that the dev released a game stable enough to win and didn't think it necessary.

Is QUD worth buying?

>>173417818
If you ever listen to his videos about attitude they are surprisingly good

>>173418017
no no i'm not criticizing you, i understand the frustration.
>>173418048
caves of qud? yeah. it's a fallout 2 roguelike basically.

>>173415203
Rogueliker

>>173417692
It's possible (some guy won it on his 10th try), but yes, it's hard as shit. Arguably, though, it's just RNG bullshit, and thus not interesting to 97% of Crawlers.

Crawl could stand to be more difficult, but MuMo-ing it is not the way. Or, if not outright difficult, make the early game a little bit easier (so that floor-clearing isn't optimal pre-Lair) and make the extended game harder yet more interesting (so it doesn't feel so samey).

>>173418048
No, the free download is effectively the same thing as the paid version. The devs release "updates" every Friday but it's basically nothing. I've played what is now about an 8-month-old release, and I read the changelogs about 6 months ago, and there is no real gameplay difference.

>>173418573
get gud

>>173418573
EVENTUALLY dismiss the CHALLENGE as RNG HORSESHIT instead of GETTING GOOD.

>>173418048
>>173418636
The melee skill trees have been completely hacked out and replaced recently. There's a shitload of mild-to-moderately interesting stuff added, and it's way less buggy. it's basically al polish though, the core is the same.

Play the free version, if you want the same game but with some of the edges smoothed(literally in some cases) buy it.

I think DCSS needs more streamlining and removing bloat.

I suggest that all races besides Hill Orc and Mummy and all gods besides Beogh get removed, because the other races are rarely played and it would be too much work to balance them. The time saved could be put in more projects to diversify the uniques even further

>>173422407
When will we get our first transsexual unique, its insane to think that in a world with so many different species there wouldnt be a single transsexual in the dungeon

>>173422407
I want a story mode to motivate me to play the game and then a cinematic mode so I can just experience the story.

>>173422407
Remove everything but Minotaur, Trog, and generic food. Everything else is bloat.

>>173423471
Minotaur, Gargoyle, Deep Elf, Spriggan
All you need

>>173422407
>Remove unique play options to make space for unique play options.

>>173423572
Minotaur is warrior, Deep Elf is magic and Spriggan is stealth and fast.
What's the point of gargoyle?

>>173426061
easy mode

>>173422407
>implying there is any intention for races to be balanced in the first place
the fact that Mi and Mu exist simultaneously should make it obvious

>>173423471
remove minotaur because you have to manage berserk on zot and that's bloat

leave just spen, you only need z and dot, if anything resists ensorcelled hibernation just walk away

>>173426473
Minotaur is easier

Do passive abilities count for the purpose of reducing Cold's cooldown? Specifically Arctic Veil.

>>173427192
Not for 15

>>173426670
Walking away is bloat.

>>173427265
15 is bloat and also that's not true

>>173427192

(You) = dumb

>>173427349
>free rTorment
>not making 15runes a cakewalk

Gnolls are probably the worst species ever

>>173427537
>free nohp
>not making hellfire terrifying
garg is good but not ludicrously OP

>>173427349
no joke, I think the devs legit think this. New content seems mostly to be streamlining standard stuff in a 3 rune run, cutting down the amount of levels, cutting down XP needed and releasing shitty races and gods that do jack shit beyond 3 runes

>>173427683
Hellfire can easily be evaded by simply keeping a small shitter next to you so that the AI doesnt use hellfire
Cant do the same with torment

>>173427683

>implying damnation ever matters

what is regeneration

>>173427748
The only "recent" god that doesnt do anything in extended is qaz

>>173427887
not trying to kneejerk defend qaz, but he brings about the same amount of trouble in both extended and non extended. I will say that disaster area is fantastic for doing zigs and clearing out crap like the Hellion island. However, Wu Jian is very clearly a 3 rune god. The new dog race is basically spread your skills for an ezp 3 runer.

How do I make other windows display information in PCB? Was suggested to have a separate window displaying the monster list which I know how to bring up but don't know how to make it appear in that window.

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Wild Talent Beastman time.

Need more charisma.

>>173430027
Options ("=" is the default, iirc), then window flags.

>>173414218
based

>>173415203
Rogueliker

>>173417692
are you real
yes it's possible

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Literally smacked me so hard I flew through another zombie and killed it.

>>173427198
try it dude
half the builds in the game have never been tried

>>173415203
I haven't posted a video in like a year dude.

>>173427198
no

Is Skillmaster's "good luck" ability worthwhile/does it stack with the Lucky Trait?

>>173431043
Like I said, I don't know much about Crawl or RLs in general since I just got into them. The challenge sounds unreal when you're someone who can barely make it to Lair.

>>173433923
It does not stack with the Lucky personality, the White Aura mutation, or the Rune-knight's Luck rune.

All 3 give the same, non-stacking benefit to loot quality.

>>173433923
It's the exact same thing as the lucky trait.

Gnolls seem to be pretty easy in early, extremely loot dependant in mid-late and easy again towards extended.

>>173433924
You can look up Implojin's MuMo run on youtube for extreme tactics. And you can download all of the pharaohs' ttyrecs along with a ttyrec player to see their runs in a console

>>173434082
Lucky personality also has other shit though like +7 to device skill, which is tied for the biggest boost from any personality (and equivalent to +14 int for device failrates)

>>173434391
I assumed by "Lucky Trait" he meant "White Aura", which is what all of these effects duplicate.

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OH YEAH FREE REPROBUS TIME!

What unique is the worst in PCB ( outside of obvious Morgoth/Unicorn/Serpent )?

http://www.strawpoll.me/12703949

>>173433519
well do some more

>>173434881
it's funny cuz it's true
reprob is hardest link

>>173434881
>not getting memestag AND memegoddess

>>173434951
Tik's is "what if Nodens was invisible to telepathy lmao"

>>173433519
some spellcaster shit specifically.
i like uberhuntrr and he hasn't done shit in like three.

>>173434951
What's the chaos mage whose name starts with H and likes to cast Mana storm? He always seems to show up way before I'm ready for him.

>>173435156
Tik casts 50% and doesn't have mana storm.

>>173435391
He does have breathe disintegration, which couples worse with the summons.

>>173435275
Habu?

>>173435502
Habu is one of those guys like Jack and Gachapin who just have way more damage than they should for their level

>>173434951
I don't know the bottom three, but nodens is clearly the most dangerous of the rest.

I guess gothmog is second since having his horde summoned on you pretty much petrifies you with fear instantly.

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Oops, it seems that I forgot to detect that pit of 'u's.

Nikheizen needs to update his bestiary page just so we can while about the 6.0 new uniques.

>>173435140
This. Make a Hunter STAG and a Well-Fed Artemis

>>173435502
Yeah Habu. Fuck that guy.

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Wish I was a naga....

>>173414287
The Amy doesn't have a unix system though, and even if she did, version updates are being done so often... Why don't you play on the server, anyway? That one is always up to date and a lot of fun to play, and you don't need to compile anything! We also have an IRC channel on Freenode, and you can play Grunthack and Sporkhack as well!

>>173438127
>scarf of resistance

who gives a shit about the scales

>>173438229
>The Amy doesn't have a unix system
fucking dropped

>>173438765
pleb. Just connect to em.slashem.me over SSH and play, even you should be able to get that to work. And while you're at it, also join #em.slashem.me on Freenode.

>>173438686
>losing 4-5 ac for marginal resistances
nty

>>173439010
>get to use whatever rings you want

>>173439406
5ac rings are more rare than multi resist rings

>rF+ on a MuMo
>marginal

If I'm playing a skillmaster with Kendo skills do I need to max Kendo? None of my samurai skills seem to have fail rates so far so I'm not sure what the point of putting more points into it is.

>>173438229
i'm sorry Amy, but that's just not good enough. I'll just use the crummy outdated .deb you have on your wiki site after taking ten hours of my day to try to compile the source code. I'm not always online like xbone users.

>>173440106
I'm also sorry, a .deb made on lubuntu might not work on some other lunix system anyway. Heck, if you join our channel, some of the other people around there will probably be able to help you getting it to compile!

>>173440343
the deb file on there deffo works, but i can try getting on.

>>173438127
>using RUN scales on naga
Anon.. Chei wouldnt be happy about that

>>173440931
Chei actually doesnt mind running boots

>>173439941
None of them have failrates so you won't decrease those of course, but putting more skill points in a realm still decreases sp costs and level requirements.

Having only 1 point in a realm means the sp costs are 200% of normal and the level requirements are 167% of normal, and of course anything that has its min level increased above 50 becomes completely uncastable.

>>173439667
jewish lies

>>173441965
Ah ok, I've got 3 points in it that should be enough I think. Would it be viable to mix craft magic with Kendo and use the concentration power to maintain manabranding and other buffs?

>>173442910
Craft magic IS really nice on skillmaster, but note that mana branding is a level 50 spell so you need to invest the full 5 points to be able to cast it.

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Why did I invent those traps? I must be crazy...

>>173436125
Patches accepted!

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Any tips for Hellband? I kinda suck at *bands in general, but this one is fun. I'm playing 0.81 because I fucking hate how you can't really resize the windows in the most recent update.

>>173446585
uh, don't try to make anything other than statpotions through alchemy or you might take 20,000 damage and instadie

>>173446583
Oh. Someone literally posted a patch today.

>>173446585
oh yeah and secret hellband hidden information: spells take less time to cast the more you beat their minimum level by, down to a minimum of 1/10th of a turn when you are 18 levels above their casting requirement.
(also works for mindcrafter powers)

So other than the whole carpal tunnel thing magic missile will be literally the best spell you have for a long-ass time.

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>the chaos hound breathes bullshit
>all your best stuff is destroyed

not today, fuckers

>>173447518
How about something like a Hitler race/birth/monster for Pozcumbutt? Charisma is primary stat, can persuade humans to join your party who you can sacrifice for more power(brownshirts), and at higher levels you get genocide.

>>173448238
>>>/pol/

>>173447518
What version of windows are you using?

>>173448679
7

>>173448238
that's great
and it fits the game thematically because nips were honorary aryans
and pcb is a weeb game

>>173448679
95

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>>173447518
>tfw genostaff is even rarer now

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Babble appeared.

What the fuck do I do here? Teleport level?

>>173449615
You can geno it. If not, yeah.

>>173449615
if there's loot or tasty vaults on the level still, you might wanna destruct her instead

but no point fighting

Is Friar Rush good for anything? He seems kinda trash other than his modifier

What's the earliest a Death Scythe weapon can potentially appear for a lucky character? Always wanted to use one but never found one on a character that could use it.

Found a scroll of artifact creation in PCB. What's the best way to use it?

>>173449797
>>173449802
Thanks. Abandoned level since there was nothing on it.

>>173450934
Go as deep as you can, read it on a good base type item, toss the result in the museum because it's probably junk.

>>173449840
His skills are good individually, even if as a whole they don't do anything but make him a weird magic/melee/panicker/healer. I suppose his advantage is that with a bit of skill training he could be anything you need him to be. The disadvantage being 'wait for higher level/more appropriate demons' is probably more viable

>>173450930
I don't think there are any hard and fast limits on how out-of-depth loot can be, it's just less and less likely.

That said, if you plan on using a deathscythe you should at the VERY least make sure to be a race that isn't affected by any of its slays
I'm not sure which classes can manage it best.

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>get transformed into a skeleton

>turns out the win is the first skeleton on the ladder

whoa, everything turned out better than expected besides the whole eternal undeath thing

>>173451048
Note that a lot of the good base type items are probably better off used as a base for artifact reforging with a high-value art.

Maybe ?artcreation is better on very high value base items that wouldn't gain much from reforging, like the MHDSM tiamat drops?

How are necomancers in Poscheng?
Tempted to use one since melee doesn't interest me and it's one fo the few classes with summons/damage.
I'm only really familiar with DCSS/NetHack

>>173450930
There's a character that can use a Death Scythe?

>>173451520
>turn into a skeleton
>everything went better than expected

>>173452214
I dunno, maybe a Polearm master or a Berserker? I was gonna try using one just to cast some of the Samurai skills that do the same damage as attacks but aren't actually considered attacks. Or just throw it at people I dunno.

>>173452225
This.

>>173451920
I think they're kind of weak but their summoning focus is fairly unique. Their only other summoning-as-primary-offense characters are quylthulgs.

>>173452454
I have fiddled with deathscythe on berserk, doesn't really work that well. You don't instantly die because of the outrageous hp and good accuracy ( the weapon only strikes you on misses ).
Dunno about polearm master. And samurai attacks I haven't tested either.

Throwing it doesn't work, it returns to you.

>>173453147
Sorry I meant with the Samurai throwing skill "boomerang". Gotta do it death style.

>>173451920
trump realm is the best for recursive summoninging

>>173452454
Those are based on the weapon's damage dice and your to-dam and blows but they end up still a lot weaker than actually attacking, and they don't get bonuses from brands.

And using death scythes with samurai's boomerang power was nerfed to still cause the miss penalty at the same time as skillmaster's throwing was nerfed.

>>173453129
Are the quyl actually capable of beating the game? Or is it more of a "will get to midgame then stagnate and die"?

>>173453249
I assume to mix it with another magic school and not just og high mage?

>>173453462
Like a year ago somebody got to the final boss with a Q monster but he messed up and died somehow. I think their summons are based partially on the level of dungeon you're on so they get pretty ridiculous by the end.

>>173453582
Interesting. I'll try that out.

>>173453462
at cl50 they get the "summon ultimate" spell which summons 1d2 monsters from the following list:

ultimate magus
tonberry
ninja tonberry
death scythe
spellwarp automaton
GWOP
sky drake
master quylthulg
black reaver
star-spawn of cthulhu
cyberdemon

so basically you can just trample shit with a GWOP army

>>173453325
>class skills end up weaker than just attacking
Why are blatant oversights like these even allowed?

>>173454067
The Samurai's Crack and Kofuku-Zettousei powers both do less single-target damage than a round of melee, but the former is a beam of force (which has a high chance to inflict stunning) and the latter is a massive-radius ball of meteor
plus they're unreduced by AC i guess but if you just want single target damage you use one of the other powers like lightning eagle or musou-sandan

>>173454067
Stuff like that is fucked up in every angband variant. The majority of spells and racial abilities always ends up being lowballed hard so they're useless.

How do PCB dopplegangers work with Demigod/human/draconian talents? Can you take the Dragonian metamorphosis talent so that you have an alternate dragon form while having access to human/demigod talents on another form?

>>173453979
That does sound pretty absurd.

>>173453979
What is GWOP?
Also, if I summon a creature capable of summoning, will that creature summon its own summons?

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>>173456435
Great Wyrm of Power.

Also, yes.

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Oh by the way, Nikheizen updated the spoiler page with new uniques.

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>>173457608
Michael doesn't look that bad on paper, but he has a large entourage of angels, which include multiples of these.

>>173455195
They can't mimic draconians.
They *can* become humans or demigods, but they only get to pick muts once and afterwards will get the same ones every time.
If you pick e.g. Evasion as your human cl30 talent, it will also become your demigod cl20 talent and you will get to pick one more at 40. Then if you pick Demonic Grasp, you will have evasion + demonic grasp every time you mimic a demigod for the rest of the game (and you will have just evasion if you mimic a human)

What is the best class in DCSS for an extended run?

>>173458383
Ghoul

>>173458383
"class"/background literally does NOT matter by the time you have 2-3 runes
ask about race and god instead

>>173457225
i remember the first time i saw this pic, i wasn't sure if it was real or some made up parody of rpgs

>words of recall return you to the depth you were previously at

well now i feel like an absolutely foolish town idiot

this is why you should learn to read things, kids

>>173458532
But the better picture for that is the greater cyber wyrm angel demon lich

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>>173458532
It's not the one you are talking about. And yeah, what you are talking about is a parody, but real and in game.

They aren't actually that overtly dangerous as the number of abilities implies - duds, not-so-dangerous-things, etc. Plus it is erratic.

Still unpleasant things best left alone.

>>173458787
My dream is for this thing to drop its corpse or for a Mimic to successfully memorize its form.

>>173458787
>giving up on up to 22 good objects

>>173459001
but
>moves erratically
however if you have the patience for that, combining the form with The One Ring's diceboosts will turn your 1d200 melee attacks all into 5d200.

>>173459048
Good objects are not that great.

>>173459259
that's why they're not called great objects

>>173458475
it matters if you're a CK

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What do? I'm dead, ain't I?

>>173458383
classes dont matter, you want a race and in that case probably a gargoyle, spriggan or shittaur

gargs have innate resistance to negative energy, torment and rot, all 3 of which are heavily present in extended and are generally considered the easiest extended race

spriggans (notably SpEn) is dude just walk away from that panlord lmao

shittaurs are the standard otab class and you should feel embarassed unless you're playing them as casters or at least hybrid casters.

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>>173460164
Just remembered I have Step from time. Praise Chei.

>>173460164
>chei
>******
gee i fucking wonder what you can do you slowpoke, no wonder you picked chei

also read those fucking scrolls you mongoloid

>carrying around enchant/amnesia/apping scrolls with you
>carrying all that food

>>173458787
Can you Rodeo uniques as the riding class? I know Beastmasters can capture certain uniques.

>>173460526
iirc Temporal Distortion is a less drastic option for dealing with orbs of destruction

>>173460878
yes you can rodeo uniques but i think only up to level 85 or something

that thing, however, is not a unique, and can be rodeo'd or pokeballed or wandofcharmmonster'd just fine

>>173460347
>>gargs have innate resistance to negative energy, torment and rot, all 3 of which are heavily present in extended and are generally considered the easiest extended race
Unless you switch to TSO in which gargoyles are average still, but their low hp hurts them.

>>173460878
Yes, but only up to a certain enemy level as far as I understand from hearsay. And honestly most are so undesirable you wouldn't even want them.

Also note that gcwadls aren't unique, so you could just capture ball one I believe.

>>173460874
I forgot to read some scrolls, that's true, but I don't see any reason to read the scrolls of which I have only one copy. And why would I not carry shit? It's not like it burns anymore and my inventory isn't full.

>>173461082
yes but that's gimping yourself by switching to TSO instead of superior Zin

>>173460963
I'll keep it in mind, thanks anon. But I wanted to get the fuck out, not make the spider come closer, wouldn't temporal distortion do the latter?

>>173458383
All that matters for Crawl late/extended is Makhleb so you can freely press tab and laugh

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So I downloaded a kutar-focused flash game pack at 5 kb/s from a site that uploaded them 17 years ago. They honestly look really good for the time period, although the gameplay is paper thin. Very much an all-ages thing, almost a precursor to the age of Wii shovelware.

The kutar gag is that when they die/fail, they expand horizontally since they have no ability to express themselves in any other way.

The more you know!

>>173461643
>Mahkleb

What of the heretics? Censured for their unfaithfulness they shall be! Zin will censure them again and again, and again!

>>173461894
That doesn't look like Rogue

Also where can I download it

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>>173462226
http://www.old-games.com/download/2408/kutar

There are few things more obscure in roguelike history.

>>173461421
Spider aside, I'm pretty sure temporal distortion= orbs of destruction flying through you like you aren't there

This was a long time ago though

>>173462226
kutar is a player race added by the ancient weeb maintainers of PCB's ancestors

>>173461894
>>173462724
THAT's what a Kutar is?

Whenever I played PCB, I thought they were cows or something.

>Gargoyles
What were they thinking

I just found a gateway to hell in lair. Can I go in safely, meaning the exit will be near me and the gate will still be usable?

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>>173465716
Yes anon, by all means head straight to your death

>>173465716
The gateway to hell works more like a normal staircase; you'll land on the < to back and you can go through it as many times as you want without it becoming unusable.

You might get trampled off the staircase by hell beasts though

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>>173465716
>I just found a gateway to hell in lair.
>Can I go in safely?
>to hell
>safely
Not with that attitude.
Take the portal and accept your death.

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>enter tower 1 & 1/2
>die
:(

>>173467763
Always bring huo shuo

>>173467854
I actually survived. Then I died later because lol4str

>>173467763
>orb
>no tireless by tower 2
fault. I believe that Gandyahs are guaranteed to spawn at least once on either tower 1 or 2.

What happens if a skillmaster takes the weapon versatility talent for human/demigod? Just a waste?

>>173468379
I am very bad at Demon. Literally never made it past Tower 4. Or captured Viktor. Or captured AFD or BGG.

>>173468569
Apparently the weapon versatility trait overrides skillmaster's max proficiency for bows/shooters, but skillmaster proficiency overrides weapon versatility for melee weapons.

The behavior with shooters sounds like a bug though.

>>173465926
>>173466036
>>173467596

Couldn't resist, I wouldn't go to hell anytime soon now that my overpowered ghost roams there.

Next time i listen to /rlg/ advise, I promise

>>173469519
your lair-level ghost is probably weaker than most of the enemies in hell

>>173468572
>AFD or BGG
who
also i don't see how you'd die to tower 1.5 ghoul, just link with him and let him die against other shit
if it's a pack of ghouls just hang back and links with each of them one at a time until they kill themselves

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just PCB things

>>173471590
just scroll of teleport things?

>>173458787
So does this thing just die instantly if you have a weapon with slay everything?

>>173471771
you don't know how *band brands work

Is there a way to interrupt a macro/keymap in progress in PCB? For instance, say I wanted to cast a 5 spell times in a row, but stop casting if damaged.

>>173471904
I do actually, it was a rhetorical question. But you just proved that you don't know shit. Stupid faggot

>>173471219
Two ghouls and I didn't die to them, I had just assumed that a pair of demons three times the level of my strongest demon would be more dangerous.
>AFD
">a >fucking >deer"
>BGG
"beutiful greak godess"

>>173472454
Actaeon link isn't that hard, what you mostly need is a confined space like a hallway for easy tanking or if that's not viable than a decent healer like a fairy and an AoE attack like ice ring. That AoE mind attack on orb absolutely shreds the doggos and therefore your demons can gank Artemis when she pops up. Anomaly is the hardest part of the run and appears around tower 5, if you can clear Anomaly you should be able to clear the rest of the tower with ease.

>>173472175
I don't think so.

You can turn on disturb_near and flush_disturb and then your macros will get interrupted whenever a visible monster moves, but you can't set it to only happen on damage

generally using multi-turn macros is a bad idea except for shit you are gonna be doing without any enemies around like spamming enchantment in town

>>173472176
Not even that guy but *band slays don't apply all brands that apply, only the strongest. Don't be so arrogant you dick.

>>173461643

Makhleb is a shit god though. Why would I need that hp per kill when anyone can just walk away and press 5?

>>173474843
tumcount

The hell do you even get with a character like this.
Weapon, I guess? Book? Gold?

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>>173475196
a brain

>>173475196
A scroll of remove curse.

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>>173475196

>>173475327
>can't acquire scrolls of remove curse

>>173475196
Always
Acquire
__Food

>>173475387
Weapon (if you want to get a rare one) > Armour > jewellery

>>173475196
an ancient foul curse

>>173475387
I'd probably go for weapon. That whip is pretty good, but you can do better.

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>>173475612
>>173475680
Hey cute.

>>173476461
oof

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Weapons are overrated.

>>173476834
>stoneform in d11
fuck you i always have to go into elf 3 to get it

Do turn speed runners do slime right after getting the other 2 lair runes?

>>173477129
If they have rCorr, yeah.

>>173477129
>run through a few small floors with sparse enemies
>cheese the boss to death

I don't see why not.

>>173477736
>implying you can still cheese TRJ

>>173477816
Liqui -> torment -> torment ->immolate

>>173477885
Have fun being stuck in place vs an entire floor of ranged slimes coming for you

>>173478019
!cancel removes !lig

>>173477885
>ligni
>not just being a mummy

>>173478170
being a mummy is 100x worse than just carrying a !lig in your inventory

>>173478019
>He doesn't use cancellation to stop being a tree after popping TRJ
Baka Bultungin

Does rCorr even do anything, feels to me like every acid blob still gives me -12corr in 3turns

>>173478669
50%.
Use yara or cancellation to clear all the corrosion.

>>173477736

You have a very high chance to get out DPS'd in slime before you even have a chance to react even if you take out TRJ in the equation. Even if you can somehow deal with mobs and TRJ, you'd end up wasting more turns and consumables than necessary so it's safest to proceed with runes in this order after 2 runes:

Vaults--->Tomb/Abyss---->Tomb--->Slime

>>173478720
Wait does !cancel really remove corrosion

>>173478768
Just do slime on the orb run

>>173478778
Yes.
Yara's OP.

>>173478669
rcorr is 50% chance to resist
idk why it does that instead of reducing corr from -4 to -2 though

Bultungins are kind of an awful play experience.

>>173478870

I actually tried that when I was autopiloting with my 5 rune gargoyle. There was a SUPER THICC panlord right on the entrance that I couldn't kill no matter how much I ?tele reroll even with !might until I decided to just ignore the rune. Never again

has anyone won gnoll race yet

>>173479189
multiple

>>173479189
Sequell says 4 wins.

>gnoll
>intermediate (medium)
>vinestalker
>advanced (hard)
Explain this, even fucking mummies break even with gnolls at 15skill

>>173479270
No 15 yet though. I'm aiming for that.

>>173479189
What is gnoll race?

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>>173479387

Is there a list on the diseases that I have to watch out on CDDA? I'm a newbie and I'm very irritated on how diseases and their description (causes/effects) do not show up on your status just like IVAN. What the hell is with roguelikes going spoilery sekrit klub with giving vital information?

>>173479531
heads of hyena
fucking outdated bot

>>173479531
TWO MR PER LEVEL
W
O

>>173479668
Yeah, this is the shittiest feature.

>>173479583
>What the hell is with roguelikes going spoilery sekrit klub with giving vital information?
Some muh realism, but in this case genuinely just lack of work put into it.

CDDA diseases haven't been updated much for years. You can avoid parasites by never eating raw animal parts (including bones), never drinking raw water and never eating raw wild veggies. You can't really avoid flu or common cold unless you wear filter mask 24/7, but those are temporary.

>>173479531
That sounds really dumb. The drop off could honestly start at 10 or so.

>>173479668
For what purpose? Who thought that was ok?

Dogs hit skill level 14 when others hit 20
Thats right, they can use 1handers at the same total XP as others can use 2handed weapons

>>173480082
Dog race is a gimmick to force players to use low-tier weapons and spells.

>>173479825
Does water actually have parasites? I know you can get food poisoning, but that's temporary.

Fungal infections are very obvious, and if you keep falling on your face for no reason, that's tetanus and I forget what cures it.

>>173480359
>Does water actually have parasites?
I thought it did, but looking at the json it doesn't seem to.
>that's tetanus and I forget what cures it
Caused by getting cut on a window/metal wreckage/rubble, cured by antibiotics.

>>173479825

>wild veggies

I may have screwed up on this but does eating those result into repeatedly vomiting goo until you die out from eventual starvation or is there another cause for that?

>>173480082
I used to get tornado online at -8 apt, so -6 isn't *that* bad... But the MR thing is pretty unfortunate.

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>MR replacement meatshield

>>173480570
That's fungus. It's much worse than any parasites.

Parasites just cause messages, pain, low health and hunger (1 nutrition per 50 turns).

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>>173481021

I dunno how I managed to get fungi'd then since I was making sure to stay away from any fungaloids as soon as I see one outside LOS. If that wasn't enough I think I'd transfer to another part of a city the next time I got unlucky to spot a fungaloid near my base.

>>173481001
Immolation.

>>173413573
why the fuck do Ogres have a better polearm apt than maces and flails?

>>173482383
because polearms are like toothpicks to them so it's very easy for them to handle

>>173481001
louise is gonna blink behind you man
>unseathes banishment
>nothing personnel, Bultinginno

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post yfw you realize crawl devs and their hangers on are almost entirely shitlib SJWs

https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=23390

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>>173484494
Holy fuck that is some shit
It's like /pol/ of the left, with "eurocentrism" instead of "white genocide".

>>173484494
Man, it's just a fucking roguelike. Setting and flavor are things and all but it's not deep. Just walk into dudes, kill them and get the orb.

>>173484494
> borrows heavily from European mythology
> katanas described as exotic
> some gods are a little bit like Jesus
> "crawl is Nazi"

>>173474843
You can buff bomb vaults with makh.
You can also summon weak demons pre-lair without trouble, and balrugs/executioners/frost demons in lair/orc without too much trouble.

>>173484494
I guess I can understand where all this insanity is coming from. Instead of working on legitimately important things like the pointless food clock or FINISHING DWARVEN HALLS, they waste time nitpicking and arguing over things that are utterly insignificant and unimportant to 99.99% of the playerbase.

It's like having a broken dishwasher, but you think to yourself "I'll do it after I fix the microwave" but all you do is unplug the microwave and sit it on your kitchen table as if you're working on it but instead do the dishes in the bathub for the next month, excusing it all with "nope, have to fix the microwave first."

>>173485475
Oh, that reminds me. Some of the downside of Makh was blunted with the !mut changes.
>>173485515
It's called bikeshedding.

>>173485475

>balrugs/executioners/frost demons in lair/orc without too much trouble.

For what purpose? It's not like you're gonna fight a Serpent of Hell in Orc or Lair. You can kill everything without and you're encouraged to do that because of exp.

>>173484494
>linking minmay's tavern posts
You are a fucking criminal.

>>173485598
>It's called bikeshedding.

Well if this doesn't describe the devteam to a 't'.

>The concept was first presented as a corollary of his broader "Parkinson's law" spoof of management. He dramatizes this "law of triviality" with the example of a committee's deliberations on an atomic reactor, contrasting it to deliberations on a bicycle shed. As he put it: "The time spent on any item of the agenda will be in inverse proportion to the sum [of money] involved." A reactor is so vastly expensive and complicated that an average person cannot understand it, so one assumes that those who work on it understand it. On the other hand, everyone can visualize a cheap, simple bicycle shed, so planning one can result in endless discussions because everyone involved wants to add a touch and show personal contribution.

It's hard to code.

It's easy to rename items, gods, and monsters.

>>173485858
I know, I know. But a bunch of devs are liking and agreeing with him

>>173485515

>pointless food clock

opinion discarded

>>173485735
I am saying that Makhleb is a strong god; if your character is weak then Makhleb can help out a lot with a mechanism other than HP back on kill. Obviously a character that is able to get the kills doesn't want to lose XP with summon kills. I'm responding to that poster that said that
>Makhleb is a shit god though. Why would I need that hp per kill when anyone can just walk away and press 5?

>>173479531
So effective aptitude of -6 for the vast majority of skill training. In every single skill.

Is this the shittiest race ever conceived?

>>173486080
How the fuck can anyone starve to death in Crawl?

>>173486045
That doesn't matter.
Delete your post this instant.

>>173486306

When food chunks are removed.

>>173486306
The first and only time I've ever starved to death was when I tried out Gozag. Even as a troll in the labyrinth, or a troll going for 15 runes, I never starved. Fucking Gozag.

>>173486156

>if your character is weak then Makhleb can help

If your character is weak enough that you could never kill a single popcorn without god invos then you're wasting exp on bloat skills that you shouldn't train in the first place like Hexes, stealth etc. Whether you're an atheist mummy, an atheist gnoll or an atheist spriggan, this should never happen.

Makhleb is a shit god because walking away and pressing 5 is always an option.

>>173484494
These are the same people that removed "extraneous" lines of description from spellbooks. What right do they have to whine about how flavorless and flat Crawl is?

Also, complaining that art imitates life, that Crawl isn't set in some literally incomprehensible alternate universe, and that anything at all is remotely recognizable is inherently ridiculous.

>>173486992
what about hyders

>>173486992
I'm not saying that you need him for every single popcorn enemy, just that he helps a lot with fast enemies that you can't get away from without using consumables, or enemies that you can't figure out how to kill. I think that it is usually better to spend some cheap makh piety to, in the first case, save consumables, or in the second case, get 1/2 XP now instead of no XP. Obviously I am disagreeing with you that simply walking away is always an option.

>>173487629

Why would you go to a place with above speed 10 enemies that you can't kill? It's like you're asking for it

>>173487801
spider
swamp
shoals
certain sneks in snek
huh i wonder why you would go there

>>173487801
what other choice do you have? Ce and water moccasins are common before lair, same with orc packs that have a haste/blink/confuse/flame puff wizard + warrior. Once you're in lair, black mambas are tricky for non-optimal classes. Once you're in orc, you can get those really fast shock demons summoned on you.

>>173488120

>orc packs
>water moccasins
>non-optimal classes

lol

>>173488035

You cleared Lair, what are you afraid of exactly? If you still psychologically insist that you're too weak then you can always dip a little in Elf or Depths.

>>173488868
Yeah dude

>>173487801
>Makhleb is shit because his only power can be duplicated by pressing 5
Makhleb can also summon demons that are really powerful for your depth in the dungeon
>Your character should be strong enough he doesn't need god powers

What is your point, you don't seem to have one

>>173482249
seeing a fungaloid is immediate panic mode
drop all your shit and GTFO, abandon the city, commit suicide, delete the world
fungas can fuck right off

>>173489640

The end results of his powers and similar gods like Qazlal, Uskayaw, Memelex and Ely are easily duplicated by pressing 5 that's why they're shit. Actually good otabber gods like Okawaru, Gozag, Chei, Trog, Lugonu and Ru also have those conveniences but offer much more.

>>173490374
being able to rest faster is a huge boon, that's why regen and other sources of infinite healing are so great

>>173489208
in order
webbed confuse-locked surrounded to death by super fast spiders because no allies
hyders in water
merpeople in water with reach attacks
shock snakes that kill you if you try to kill them up close but are also faster than you so you can't run

>>173490463

Last time I checked you can always cast regeneration with all the good gods I've listed even if its name is changed.

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>tfw playing crawl again
I see why I stopped.

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>>173491327
Other, better games still have high-elves

>>173491605
>immortal beings
>99%/19 hp
>masters of all skils
>disarming/searching Fair
>stealth Very Good
>Save/Melee Excellent

Someone should really fix them up to match their description and XP %.

>>173491605
>there are few things that they have not seen
i'm not sure that's what the word experience means in this context tbqhfampai

>>173490374
Healing a few HP to dozens of HP per aut during combat is much more powerful than healing 0.5 to 2 HP per aut passively. Makhleb's HP back on kill is not insignificant.
Herd enemies that are difficult to separate become easy, groups with a tougher leader become easy, groups with smiters in the back become easy, tactics like immolation bomb/disc of storms/forest fires/LRDing near yourself/using sublimation of blood/inner flaming enemies to be met in melee all become viable with HP back on kill. Noise control is no longer and getting cornered is no longer a problem. Your buff potions become much more powerful because you can just keep getting HP back on kill.

The most important stat in the game is HP, and the most important skill to train is your killing skill. Makhleb directly rewards your most important skill by extremely rapidly replenishing your most important stat.

>>173490374
this is bait. you can't press 5 mid-combat

>>173415203
Dicku.
Now I'm sad again.

>>173484494
Katana description has already been changed to remove the "exotic" word.

>>173484494
>manly vigor wither forever
>true nature of man
>being gangbanged on a negative light
>silk panties on a negative light
>MUMMY MONK: HETEROSEXUAL MALE
>little swastika footsteps in the aryalgean dynasty section

how can one man be so woke in the face of such commie shits

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Right, I'll need to change that option.

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>>173484494
>mfw even Japanese games call katanas "exotic" or otherwise imply they're foreign

>>173484494
jesus christ.
>complaining about katana's being called "exotic" when even the fucking souls games describe them as such

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Well in line with myth, the unicorn has been drawn by my powerful virgin aura.

What do? How do I slay this beast?

>>173495834
>>173495680
http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commit;h=b9bd3e64ae1c656c706d64c1eda16a8bb00ce877
No longer!

>>173497143
delet this

>2017
>still being surprised by (((crawldevs))) being braindead sjw goon scum

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What to use Enslave Soul on
Something that doesn't die in seconds would be nice

how do you loremaster dog?

>>173496851
I wouldn't bother, it's a massive pain in the ass.

>>173500295
What game is this, is it a roguelike? It doesn't look like one.

Playing DDA, should I install Time Dilation or Probability Travel? I only have room for one or the other.

>>173501252
There's no CBM Limit in DDA, install as many CBM as you want.

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>>173501871
So is this just for show then?

>>173501871
>no CBM Limit

[autistic screeching]

Reminder that minmay/duvessa also removed runed doors so that people enter his retarded Ettin on d:5 vaults

>the only devs in that thread are lasty, dpeg and gammafunk
who would have thunk

“It’s a bit like how you raise children,” said David, to more laughter. “Hear me out! In a long-term project like Crawl, we as a dev team shape our players. You see? [When we remove things,] the usual suspects will be annoyed, and somebody will say, ‘that’s it! I quit!’ As a dev team, you get the point across that removal is an option. When they’ve seen this for a few versions, they say ‘okay, they remove things, but they also add things, and in the long run we will be fine.’ [There are some] players who are somehow more devout than even us, and they demand removals. It can happen that on a given day there are 10 topics [on the forum] that say ‘remove this’ and ‘remove that.’ In this sense, shaping our players has worked really well, and we’re a little bit afraid of the creature that we’ve raised… I don’t know what that says about my real children.”

>>173479341
Bu are probably listed as that because, as is, they're strong as fuck in the early game. Any scrub who actually takes heed of the Simple-Intermediate-Advanced list is, first and foremost, trying to use something that they'll make progress with, and that's certainly possibly with them.

Lair and onward will, of course, be a different story.

http://git.develz.org/?p=crawl.git;a=commit;h=3e3c7a0514a4375b4022e8a22ee53112b78d4668
are these any good

>>173501990
Exactly. It's intended to matter some time in the future, but right now, you can just blithely ignore the limits.
Unless you think that's cheating. I personally try to stay under them. It's not like you NEED every bionic to be competitive in this game.

To answer your question, probably time dilation.

Hi, does somebody here sometimes play with evokables in DCSS?

I'm playing MiBe and have evoke on 10, and have the choice of getting a rod of lightning or a rod of iron in a shop.

Are rods worth it? Against which threads do you pick them up? What situations can they solve or against which enemies do they excel?

>>173504342
Yeah that's what I was thinking too. Places where probability travel is useful , like labs, bunkers, and banks, can all be gotten into without it fairly easily anyway.

>>173505028
Its really not needed to use rods that often or at all, especially as a MiBe
Just save money for something else

>>173505028
What's a rod?

>>173495680
That's because the Japanese have internalized white supremacy and internalized Eurocentrism.

t. Tavern posters

>>173505080
sad, i like the concept of them. What about the rune branches like spider, or even slime? Wouldn't they be useful there against masses of low ac enemies?

>>173484494
It's not like they own crawl, you know. It's open source so there are exactly 0 things preventing you from making a fork to make demigods into Aryan Master Race and whatever else you want.

Besides, "why are katanas exotic if the dozen other foreign weapons aren't also exotic" is a legit question.

>>173505885
There is ONE katana in crawl
how is that not exotic

I have a status in DDA called "Ferric Iron" that apparently makes me thirsty, anyone know what this is from? I have PK Reimaging and Cataclysm++ installed.

What's the fucking point of Enslave Soul
I just used it on Asmodeus and his Spectral version still died in fucking seconds to the very enemies he used to lord over

>>173505029
I wonder if you could make a sealed vehicle and use probability travel to enter and exit.

Though I guess there's no real advantage compared to just having a door like a normal peron.

>>173506259
okay and now im suddenly nausea and all my stats have been reduced to 0, what the fuck.

>>173506886
That sounds like radiation poisoning, at least in vanilla cataclysm.

>>173507502
well where the fuck did it come from? All i was doing was raiding a town and i stop in a house to cook some food and now i have radiation poisoning.

>>173484494
i want to do things that this person dislikes

>>173508487
I fee like that will be very easy.

>>173502735
for what purpose?

>>173510174
>RRREEEEEE EVERYONE IS DODGING MY VAULT BECAUSE OF THE SAFETY DOORS
>heh better remove them

>>173502735
for what purpose?

Also why the fuck is rElec so fucking rare jesus fucking christ

>>173510383
Just play Gargoyle lmao

>>173510174
>>173510383
Because all his vaults have 2 high OOD spawns inside them without ANY WORTHWHILE LOOT
so nobody would ever enter them otherwise
Instead you get 3 guardian serpents roaming d:8

>>173510383
Armor reduces all spell damage and elec spells dont usually have high rolls

I JUST GOT MY FIRST RUNE I CANT WAIT FOR THE DAY THAT I WON AND DONT HAVE TO PLAY THIS MEME OF A GAME ANYMORE

also thanks daniel for the tips

>>173453462
there was a comp a while back that was all Qs and js and clouded took first place with one of each http://angband.oook.cz/competition.php?showcompo=143

>>173496851
mainly showing up in your serpentkilling gear with all your potions

>>173500670
sif mama

>>173511707
You playing a minotaur?

>>173486290
Basically it sounds like a race designed to win hard in earlygame and then become shitty later.

But if you want to have ez earlygame you can just pick something like Mi or Sp or --Be and not have to deal with the become-shitty-later part

>>173506515
It would be a useful defense against NPCs, but NPCs aren't the right kind of threat to warrant designing your vehicles against them.

>>173514765
Mi etc have a harder time changing weapon classes or spell schools

>>173514765
>Basically it sounds like a race designed to win hard in earlygame and then become shitty later.
Which is really retarded, theres far better and easier races which are really dominant early on without almost no drawbacks later on
The other problem i have with this, maybe, is it sounds like humans on steroids early on with the versatility they have

>>173514927
>switching weapons
>ever

>>173491784
the only racial skills that matter are device and stealth anyways

fun fact: a 3 int mind flayer (+15 racial bonus) has higher device skill than a 18/220 int barbarian (-10 racial bonus, +20 from int)