/rlg/ - Roguelike General

>>173205892
did the infra arcana development version ever become good

the last time I played it I had D:1 fire hounds and it shit on melee.

>>173206061
So much shit has changed that it's probably still unbalanced as fuck. In my couple test runs, I didn't notice anything too bad though.

Worth trying out just for the massive glut of new content. The new terrains and dungeon features are really nice.

>>173205892
>>173205974
Someone made a new /rlg/ thread but faggot janitors deleted it

>>173206546
Because it was ~40 posts early.

Can we talk about bloatform and summon bloat? Hydraform is all gimmick with no real practical use, by the time you can cast it, you have absolutely no reason to. It's weak as fuck due to low AC and actually dangerous to use, yet for some reason it remains as a level 6 spell.

Summon Hydra is even worse. You can already summon one with shadow creatures, but it's also incredibly weak for a level 7 fucking spell. In no situation is it ever worth that many spell levels.

My greatest shame:

I want to get into Brogue, but I can't wrap my head around the control scheme. Are things like examining really only limited to the mouse, with no keyboard equivalent?

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>>173206868

>>173206895
Use Tab and Enter.

>>173206895
You can play it solely with the keyboard, but the examine/targeting interface and travel is kind of bad.

>>173206592
40 posts is too soon? Who decides this?

>>173208567
Unless a thread moves very fast, there's no reason to make a new thread before reaching the bump limit. On /vg/, that's 750 posts.

>>173208567
Well there's really no need to make a thread until bumplimit. On boards slower than vg you might wait for both bumplimit and page10.

And also, everyone was still posting in the old thread rather than the new one.

>>173209017
Actually, there's no reason to make a thread before reaching the bump limit no matter how fast the thread is moving, because having more posts past the bump limit does literally nothing, and the thread will fall down the board at exactly the same rate no matter what, depending solely on the rate of posts and new threads on the rest of the board. There might be a case for it if you tried to make a general on /b/ but why the fuck would you ever do that?

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What should I add to my super fuck you car i;m making?

>>173210263
automated tesla turrets

>>173210263
A 60 liter tank filled with whiskey.

>>173210263
more battery
solar panels
more engine
a kitchen
a welder
a bed
giant fuck-off tanks full of every useful liquid, namely whiskey, water, gasoline, and maybe some other stuff that I can't be bothered to remember right now

>>173211341
More battery is planned
Solar panels are planned, this is a temporary setup until i finish the
framework
planning to use at least 1 v12 engine, more if i can find them, and then 3 v8 engines. I just need to grind mechanics to 8
I have a kitchen unit from an RV
I have a welder
added to list
added to list
I also have 2 light tanks down the road that im going to strip of tank treads and use instead of wheels

>>173211341
horse semen, mutagen, etc

>>173211548
Right, right, of course.
A mini-fridge/refridgerator. That's important.
Regular old dry-storage for books and etcetera, that too.
5 point safety harness.

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Sweet vindication.

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1000+ games in and only now I learned Vampires can use vampiric weapons freely, no swapping cost either. It's not even in the manual, only in the wiki. I guess reading it is not always a bad idea after all.

>its a freak the fuck out because a god damned ZOMBIE HULK SOMEHOW MAKES IT TO MY BASE IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE EPISODE
>FUCK IT WE ARENT GOING DOWN WITHOUT A FIGHT
>one shot him
>that was easy
>zombie grenadier shows up
>one shot him too
>realize that mushroom i ate was hallucinogenic

>>173205892
Now you see. Now you see how it feels.

How are you guys with roguelites? Are they discussed here? BoI and Gungeon etc?

>>173171794
A bunch of them is based on glitches I encountered in Castle of the Winds when I was little. When I realized "heeeeey, this open source game lets me actually add them as features!", I totally had to do so. And then I came up with more and more such traps that also wanted to be added. In fact, I sometimes have a scratchpad with me so I can quickly write down new ideas if they come to me at unexpected times, and currently it's two pages worth of traps that still want to be added. Shall I take a photo of that scratchpad as proof? :D

>>173216285
no

>>173216285
Yea
Roguelites like DDA, Elona, PCB, etc. all get discussed here

So both my legs just got melted off by a spitter, and don't look like they're going to heal on their own. I also have 0 first aid skill, so if there's some way of making a splint I don't know it.
I'm utterly helpless, move like a snail, and have pretty much totally emptied out the part of the city which has no zombies in it.

What do I do now?

>>173216285
Just looked up Gungeon on Youtube. Even fucking Diablo is more of a roguelike than this shit. What do you think the answer to your question could be then?

>>173217119
I said roguelite, not roguelike. It's the generally-accepted terminology for hybrids that have procedural levels/loot/permadeath. You guys are delightful.

>>173217195
/rlg/ - rogueliKe general

>>173217119
No wonder this general has such little activity. You're toxic.

>>173217365
Cool, now get out.

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>>173217195
There used to be a roguelite gen when gungeon was popular, but now its devolved and interbred with/into /indie/, an even more fedora and slow general. Gungeon, BoI and IVAN seem to be the only things keeping that gen alive

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>>173216478
>>173216531
>>173217119
>>173217238
>>173217547
God dammit /rlg/, never change.

>>173216531
serious question: why don't you consider DDA a roguelike?

>>173217772
Since when is IVAN considered a roguelite?

>>173218452
Im not saying its a roguelite, just that its keeping /indie/ alive

>>readingcomprehension

>>173218215
Why do you consider DDA a roguelike?
If tile-based turn-based gameplay with permadeath makes a game a roguelike then I guess fire emblem is a roguelike. Except that neither game plays like rogue

>>173218625
Don't answer a question with a question, faggot.

>>173218652
I didn't. Maybe if you could learn to read we could have an intelligent discussion. Don't skirt around a question you can't answer by resorting to name calling. Fucking inbred nigger loving retard

>>173218753
>I didn't
QUOTE: "Why do you consider DDA a roguelike?"

>>173218594
Why would they talk about a real roguelike in there?

That's like posting about Overwatch on the TF2 general.

>>173210263
Some wheels maybe.

I'd actually suggest modifying an existing vehicle instead of building one from the ground up. The best option is Blazemod tanks. Multiple engines take really high mechanics skill to install, so anything that starts with them is great. Even if they're all broken, since you can fix them for much cheaper than installing new ones.
If you can't find a tank in passable condition, taking any vehicle that's about the size you want still lets you skip a lot of construction steps. If you're going for the "giant dick-wagon" look, probably an RV or a semi truck.

>>173217365
It's true. This is one of the most autistic generals, right up there with /dfg/.

The only thing still keeping the thread clinging to life is that unlike those fags at /lite/, we have games.

Any decent MUDs? I've been playing a lot of tabletop recently, as well as a bunch of RLs, so MUDs seem like the natural progression but I don't know where to start.

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>>173220115
It's too late, I'm too far into this project to simply abandon it. Plus, I'm only 11% away from mechanics level 8, which i need for multiple engine installs. I figure by the time i dismantle my SECOND light tank for parts and install the rest of the framework and some appliances, I'll have reached level 8 and can finish it.

>>173216432
please be my wife

>>173216772
Either get the skill to make splints* or get to a hospital and use a Mr. Stem Cell terminal to heal broken limbs.

Forests can be foraged to level Survival skill and you can craft things to level both Surival and First Aid.
*First Aid 1 Survival 2 IIRC

Remove draconian ghost breath
Having draconian ghosts breathe negative energy doesn't make sense from a

consistency standpoint (no other muts/attributes are ghostified) or from a

balance standpoint. I can't see any good reason to make draconian ghosts

significantly more dangerous if they are XL 7 or greater.

>B - a fire dragon hide {Error: Server Xtahua not found}

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRSnN2ATY1Q

>>173223835
>character is a _

>>173223835
five seconds in and this guy looks on the verge of killing himself

>>173223835
>I really really hate it when a game calls itself a roguelike and it's not actually a roguelike
>nasal, droning voice

Which one of you is this

>>173223835
>that voice

I can't watch this

>>173224112
>>173224695
I thought "these anons are just usual /rlg/ assholes, that guy can't sound that bad".
I was mistaken.

i'm so bad at this game

>219 casts of Regeneration at 1 rune
>512 casts of Regeneration at 3 runes
someone please do something with this spell already

>>173223529
>/rlg/ will probably defend Dr ghost breath

This is a welcome change, IMO.

It's not a change though it's just a suggestion
he'd have posted the log if it was a change

>>173231397
http://s-z.org/neil/git/?p=crawl.git;a=commit;h=dc9e609150957a1a187505cc8b55d712d3aabf13

And to be clear, that's from the "master" head and thus a commit to the actual game.

>>173231773
well I still agree with it
I think they should remove ghosts altogether
it's a very scummy practice

>>173218215
>replying to bait
Fault

>>173232669
ghosts must exist or else it's not a nethacklike and therefore not a roguelike

>>173230082
Who is Dr. Ghost Breath?

A villain?

>>173236035
draconian ghost negative energy breath that could oneshot XL7 chars

Is folding shopping cart basket the highest storage foldable item?

>>173236792
>oneshot [sic]
not even spriggans get one shot from ghost draconian breath

>>173237586
That's not how you use sic retard

>>173238080
it is because the correct spelling would be one-shoot

>>173238239
>one-shoot [sic]

>>173238080
that's exactly how you spell "sic" [sic], retard

REMOVE YIG remove yig

seriously why y'all gotta breathe on me that much

What's Qazlal good for? Getting enemies to endlessly attack you until the OOD clock ticks in while you wait? No, seriously, what is he good for, i want to know, he seems super underwhelming

>clouds mostly generate noise
>elementals are absolute shit
>upheaval is good early on i guess
>disaster area often ends u

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>TWO (2) eyes of draining guarding a trog altar in D:3
>Grab three levels without losing a single HP

>>173240571
* often ends up missing half the things on screen in favour of blasting empty terrain

>>173240571
massive aoe damage
free rMsl
even more massive aoe damage for tiny piety price (disaster costs like 10 piety)

>>173240708
Get higher invocations and learn how to manipulate LoS, which you should be doing anyway to control your blinks

>>173210263
you don't need a 5-tile-wide space on the inside

make those walls 2 layers thick to avoid zombo quantum tunneling

and probably hook up some cameras and set a screen up by the driver's seat so you can actually see your surroundings.

>>173241075
what if i sexually identify as a formicid

>>173220276
also our games actually have replay value
the folks in /lite/ would all get bored and quit and stop posting after achieving 100% completion in BoI/Gungeon/Nuclear Throne

>>173241609
yes, all that replayability value of great roguelite games suchas Elona, PCB and DCSS

excellent roguelites to replay

>>173226769
literally just make the buff spells tome4 sustains that reduce maxmp while active
and bring back stoneskin/phaseshift while you're at it

>>173240571
>ood clock
but qaz makes you clear levels faster because everything comes to you instead of you having to find it through autoexplore

to rest just go < and press 5 on a safe cleared floor

>>173241323
>>>/pol/

>>173241925
He said as a formicid, not a cockroach.

>>173240571
>elementals are absolute shit
Elementals are really strong in mid game, train fucking Invo anon, you'll get ~4 of them with one use, they mow down everything in Lair, where you're usually the most fucked due to noise.

>clouds mostly generate noise
And do free damage. Fight in corridors.

Also passive defense bonuses are nice too. Qaz is not a great god, but he's usable.

How do you have fun with *bands?

Yes, I know
>roguelikes
>fun

But even when doing the things you're *supposed* to do in Angband/PCB, I just find the game exceedingly boring.

>>173243313
*Bands are probably not for you.
Try *Hacks or anything else instead.

>>173241761
Devs don't like it because reducing max MP does absolutely nothing for any character that isn't a dedicated conjurer/elementalist, and they're right about it. Reducing max HP was proposed as an alternative and it was received a bit better but apparently not anywhere near good enough.

If you want to know what devs think, feel free to browse through years of ##crawl-dev archive and some super obscure and even more outdated dev wiki, because nobody gives a shit that you weren't around for the last 10 years. Ooooops.

>>173243313
Are you playing the game in the fun diving way or the super-boring borg-style "slowly fullclear every level, never go beyond depth X without resist Y, etc" way.

If you're doing the former and still not having fun, eh maybe the gameplay just isn't for you.

I'VE DONE IT
BY GOD I'VE DONE IT

>>173243681
congrats on finally becoming a cute 2d girl, anon

>>173243519
>are you dead or are you grinding
What kind of silly question is that

How easy is it to get into PCB if you've never really played Angband? I like the idea behind the *bands, but Angband is boring to me, and I wish it had more stuff.

Sil is the only exception though, it's amazing to me.

>>173244614
Diving only kills you if you are bad.
But if you are playing in the most boring possible way, which every player advises against, don't claim that you are
>doing the things you're *supposed* to do

>>173244754
>Diving only kills you if you are bad.

>It breathes

>>173244834
>rod of detect monsters

>>173245002
>detect strong monster
>teleport away
>it casts darkness storm
>teleport away
>heal up
>recall
>it magically summons monsters!

>No you see you HAVE to play like a complete retard to enjoy this, its really fun!

>>173245134
That's what stealth is for nigga.
You don't have to pick a fight with everything you detect.

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yo what the fuck

>>173245520
You broke a bunch of graves with an area spell and now a bunch of super-ood undeads are going to kill you.
Congrats.

>>173245648
I didn't cast any spells though.

I'm a lizardman thaumaturgist, the only spells I have cast all game are self-buffs to become swole and good at punching things

>>173245759
Then something else did or something hit something else and managed to breake them.
Anon, it's incursion. Come on.
It's wonky like that.

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Oh, this is pretty nice.

>>173247237
I didn't know it went over 115.
I guess it rolls a 100+1d20?

>>173247842
I figure it is a normal distribution of 80-120.

Gib fun pcb combo

>>173248085
uninstall.exe

>>173248085
>fun
ring

I mean an actually fun combo

>>173248085
andord mauler

No not a meme combo

>>173248468
android mauler isn't a meme combo you dumbass
android is a strong race, mauler is a strong melee class without any armor restrictions that would fuck with android xp (other than the weapon weight thing of course)

>>173241656
You forgot DDA

>give me x
>no no not that
>i actually mean give me Y which i already decided on anyway and just want anonymous people to reinforce my decision

>>173248619

android is the worst class though
you kill stuff and you don't even get rewarded for it

>>173248704
race is a lot less important than class really
if you hate android you can pick any other race for mauler too

>>173244637
Never played Angband but made it to the serpent once and died. In spite of all the class and race options it's not super complicated, getting good just lets you play faster.

>>173244637
it's shit
it's Angband with more garbage content, nothing like Sil
stick with your EDAIN DIVERS

>>173248813
the objective is to kill not to die to the serpent

>>173248879
sil is based on angband code but its gameplay isn't that of a *band in any way, shape or form

>>173248904
Well I didn't actually die to the Serpent, I ran out of shit and had to teleport out, then the Unicorn summoned a Unique when I was fighting it, then they used sound breathe and hand of doom SUCCESSFULLY on the same turn.

I was extremely angry.

so what are approved roguelikes that don't suit the fucking roguelite criteria? Why are Elona, PCB, DCAA, DCSS roguelites and not roguelikes?

>>173249102
>DCAA
what is this
what shit are you trying to push this time

>>173249102
pcb and dcss notaroguelike is just memeposting
elona does not have permadeath by default
cdda gameplay is not Like Rogue at all, it's a game about camping in your RV and cooking hotdogs rather than a game about bumping an @ into a D to slay dragons

>>173249201
meant to write cdda but i was reading something else, sorry

>>173249305
what about pushing grocery store carts around a minefield? that's rogue-ish no?

>>173248879
PCB might be full of garbage, but Sil is a dumpster full of nothing.

>>173249414
what does that have to do with anything?
its core gameplay is "open world survival RPG" rather than dungeon exploring shit

>>173249519
But then why do we accept unreal world as a roguelike

>>173249568
I would put it in the same category of "fairly rogueish but not a Real Roguelike" as cdda

>>173249102
You're being memed on. All of those are roguelikes. Elona and CDDA are the least roguelike of them due to the lack of permadeath in Elona and the open world nature of CDDA, but there are actual dungeons in CDDA so it gets a pass on roguelike flavor too.

All that's important is the grid and the steps.

>>173249102
>Elona
designed around no permadeath
inferno mode is like playing an external conduct in any other game, like permadeath in pokeymans
has a partially static overworld, menus, minigames, (modal) and areas where there's no permadeath even in inferno mode
>PCB
one of most modal roguelites out there
has character selection menu, different game modes, shops, museum, storage house, completely static overworld (the worst offender)
it's also garbage hence all the derogatory nicknames like "PozCumButt" or whatever
>DCAA[sic]
is modal (has shops, character selection menu, different games modes like sprint that are nothing like rogue)
no permadeath for felids, partial permadeath for worshipers of good gods
>DDA
plays completely unlike rogue
modal (tons of different in-game menus, embedded games, map, has a fucking overworld)
has no end game goal
it's essentially a crafting simulator

>>173250012
So nethack and adom arent roguelikes because of lifesaving

>>173250089
both have modal character creation and adom has a modal worldmap
not like rogue

>>173250089
nice strawman
i expected nothing less from this shithole

modality is just retards memeing about the berlin interpretation (which is literally garbage)

>>173250012
>no permadeath for felids, partial permadeath for worshipers of good gods

do you even know what the word "permadeath" means?

>>173250198
this is true though

>>173250198
what is like rogue then

>>173250347
rogue
moria

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reminder that Japanese Animes satisfy 8 of the 9 high value factors in the berlin interpretation

>>173250393
but moria sucks dick

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>see 10 new posts in a very short amount of time
>it's just shitposting

>>173250275
do you
you fucking retard
permadeath means permanently dead
which means you don't fucking get a second chance after you die once
fucking idiot
so do (YOU) know what it means?
no? then fuck off back to your weebshit roguelite grinding simulators like Elona and PissCockBand

why do White Ugly Things seem to hit so much harder than the rest without appropriate resistances?

>androids get levels from rings now
Huh.
Went from 2 to 15 thanks to a ring of archery.

>>173250842
confirmation bias?
roguelike players somehow manage to completely fail to understand randomness despite playing games completely based around it
there was some guy on the DCSS forums insisting that the game must have changed to guarantee an early venom dagger because he found 3 in a row

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>>173249456
You need to learn to appreciate the differences in people that make life beautiful.

PCB is like that nice thicc half-Nip girl, who loves to cook and watch terrible B-movies and weeb shit with you on a rainy Saturday.

Sil is like that one mousy (possibly autistic) girl you knew in school, nothing going on at a surface glance but will fucking milk your prostate dry in new and inventive ways every night. If only you gave her a chance.

DCSS is that sweet girl who moves in with you but slowly starts to change all the shit in your apartment and gradually becomes nothing like the girl you fell in love with. Sometimes, you wake up in the middle of the night and look at the stranger sleeping next to you with fear in your eyes, wondering what happened. You wonder if there's a soul underneath her pleasant, sociable face. She was your first, but you can only wonder how many cocks have entered every orifice of her body, leaving her cold and numb. Before you know what's happened, you're living a lie, but you cannot leave because she's all you know. When's the last time you enjoyed being around her? For the last three years, you've only been able to get off via masturbation, watching streams of other people fucking their wives, imagining how much fun they must be having. You think about running away from it all, finding a new roguelike, but fear of the unknown roots you to the spot. So you slide back in and wrap your arms around the creature you call your wife. Your roguelike. Your one and only. As you squeeze your eyes shut, you whisper to yourself: "What a noble sacrifice."

>>173250842
because thats how cold brand works

>>173251032
what's DDA

>>173251015
Nope, he's actually right. AF_COLD is huge.

>>173250241
In all seriousness, I agree completely.
In a joking manner, only my personal interpretation of what a Roguelike is is valid and all others can get fucked.

>>173251115
a trap

>>173251115
that bipolar girl you met in a drug rehab center

>>173251120
>8headed hydra simulacra
scary

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Easy peasy android cheesy no more

>>173251389
IIRC top or near top damage per turn in game, there's a death to such with over 300 damage.

>>173250754
Permadeath, as it applied to Rogue, meant that if you died, your save file was deleted. That's it.

You would know this if you actually played Rogue or knew its history.

>>173250842
>why do White Ugly Things do so much damage
Because the only one who really knows how to hurt you is yourself

>>173251435
They also made RK unable to use ! or - of clarity

>>173251597
ummm blaming the victim, much?

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>>173251597
That's racist!

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>>173251635
>They also made RK unable to use ! or - of clarity

NOW THAT'S JUST PREPOSTEROUS

No wait nope
that still works in -r

That would have been a huge nerf to be honest

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I may have a small hoarding problem.

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Ethereal Dragon of Attack doesn't seem that good. Maybe I just had shit luck with rings, though...

>>173252337
Well ethereal and shadow dragons are both bottom-tier for melee damage, AFAIK.

>>173248085
Tonberry mauler

>>173254086
centaur cavalry

spectre blood-mage

we need to split the thread into /lowheadroomrlg/ and /highheadroomrlg/ obviously

lhrlg can post about edains and dcss speedruns and breadswinging and hhrlg can post about pcb/cdda and shitpost about dcss removals

>>173255463
wow so you have 2 whole posters in hhrrlg

>>173251032
Seems accurate.

Berlin interpretation was a fucking mistake.

>>173255463
PCB and DDA posters hate each other

>>173256031
That's not true! I like PCB.

>>173256005
It's a mistake if you treat it as some iron clad rulebook and not a list of elements worth looking at. Unfortunately, people do that a fucking lot.

>>173256031
DDA seems alright.

>>173256260
A good definition would be something "here's a list of roguelikey elements, use your own best judgement" (hey Judges love shit like that for defining obscenity or police misconduct or CP or whatever).

The problem is that everyone who plays roguelikes has autism and can't stand soft qualitative measurements like that so they start treating it like a checklist where X number of checkmarks = roguelike.

>>173256031
Where did you get that idea?

>>173251032
Good post

>>173256701
Because the most vocal Berlin shitposters that hate on DDA love PCB

>>173257241
Are you fucking retarded

But turn based and perma death are iron clad

>>173218917
The Ivan where some hobo looking man goes on some quest for some reason and its revealed at the endend he killed his wife. Im just used to writing IVAN, forgive me for the confusion.

Alright lets settle this then. Post:

>rogueli(k/t)es you like

>rogueli(k/t)es you don't like / hate

>>173257241
dda is perfectly fine under berlin though isn't it?
I mean i call dda notaroguelike because it isn't Like Rogue, but "Like Rogue" isn't even fucking IN berlin

>>173258038
>i call dda notaroguelike because it isn't Like Rogue
Neither is DCSS, PCB, IVAN, ADoM and many others.

>>173258569
Angband, Sil, ToME, Nethack. All of them perfectly viable, good and playable roguelikes.

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>>173258032
>suki:
-poz
-brogue (except FUCK allies)

i had fun with it but idk if i'll play it again:
-zap'm
-shit remember Rogue Effect, that was the thread's meme game for like a week
-hellband, except jesus fuck the interface was bad/old
-I played Elona for a bit too
-i enjoyed fucking around in gnollcrawl briefly with the absurdly overpowered halfling wildmagic oneshot-everything-with-magic-dart shit

>kirai:
tried it but didn't really enjoy, got bored and quit
-sil
-demon
-ia
enjoyed at first but got bored and stopped liking later
-cdda
-dcss

can't think of anything else off the top of my head

>>173259068
Do you think it is possible for you to speak in English instead of weeb

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>>173259238

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>>173259358

>>173259238
Weebs have brain damage. Do not bully them, but do report them to police if their damaged brain forces them to molest prepubescents.

>>173258032
>like
DCSS pre-0.15 including Linley's, Sil, DDA, Halls of Mist, Demon, PRIME and other *hacks, Incursion, Castle of the Winds, Spelunky, Elona+, CoQ pre-jew bluetint, MuMo
>don't like
PCB, IA, Brogue, Forays into Norrendrin, SLEX, Gearhead: Arena, Armo(u)red Commander, Prospector, DCSS post-0.15, D**mRL, CoQ post-jew bluetint

>>173259068
>-i enjoyed fucking around in gnollcrawl briefly with the absurdly overpowered halfling wildmagic oneshot-everything-with-magic-dart shit
that's DCSS Circus Animals
gnollcrawl is perma-level 1 everything is gnolls

>>173205892
PCB 6.0.3 (hey, that rhymes!)
http://angband.oook.cz/forum/showthread.php?p=119703#post119703

>>173259968
>For those of you (including me) who think the game is too long
But I thought grinding was the only way Chris could feel pleasure?

>>173250089
Exactly

Can someone explain me why in PCB puddles shoot acid at you

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>>173259968
>quickband
Gross. I don't want some officially supported baby mode.

>>173260651
it already had officially-supported wizmode and Muchkin personality, plus combos like "tonberry monk"

>>173251032
I've never been with a woman.

>>173259968
>quickband
>literally just snatching coffebreak mode
>nope I made this

Chris is an ass

>>173260794
sorry for your loss floatrand-chan
but i will always love chris more than u

>>173250397
Japanese Anime*

>>173260875
filthy animeposter

>"flesh angel" in a basement
>paralyses me continuously for over ten minutes until it finally scratches me to death
Well, that was something.

RIP V8 unicycle.

>new quests
oh boy

>>173260906
日本のアニメ *

>>173259731
>Gearhead: Arena
how's that coming along?

>>173251032
Sil is like a girl who looks pretty and is popular in her circles, but she just lies on the bed and is so loose you go back to using your hand.

>>173261069
was dead for a while but I think the dev picked it back up last year
http://www.gearheadrpg.com/

>>173259731
What's better about pre-jew CoQ?
Other than lack of jewry and jewtint.

>>173260794
I don't mind.
It's more mimicking general behavior of R than Coffeebreak, frankly. Coffeebreak is sort of reducing flabbiness and just making quick dive downwards general attraction ( why I implemented double-descend in the mode recently ).
Dunno about better drops, since R doesn't really alter drop quality that much ( well, it does alter how frequently some consumables spawn and allow random artifact generation for jewelry ) and doesn't touch the power at all.

Oh well. At least that's an option, now. Thankfully I didn't merge with 6.0.X yet, so I don't have to have headaches about these smaller updates.

But what will I do with quick-mode since I have Coffeebreak already?

>>173261542
keep them both
he said that quick-mode replaces munchkin, which means that, unless I'm reading it wrong, munchkin is not a thing anymore.

>>173260606
Acid rain + sentience.

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>encounter first amberite unique
>fight is going well, wonder what the big deal is
>kill him

oh

>>173261437
you pretty much said it all

Dumb animeposter

>>173262143
Do you like the flavour mate

>>173262229
But jewry and grafix don't affect gameplay

>>173261691
Oh that makes it much simpler. Munchkin is kinda shit.

>>173262379
it stings

>>173249102
A roguelike is this:

Single player RPG
Primarily control a single character
Grid-based maps, with tile-based movement (Characters move an entire tile at a time)
Turn-based in a different sense than Civ series (individual actions like moving, attacking, drinking, zapping wands, etc take up turns, or fractions of turns)
Movement is not separated from combat (They happen on the same grid-based, tile-based maps, with no separate screen for combat like Final Fantasy or FTL).

Permadeath and procedural (RNG) generation are common and in my opinion, amazing tropes, but not required. For instance the sprint mode of DCSS is static, and is still a roguelike. Elona has optional permadeath, many static areas, and is still a roguelike. PCB is the same.

Roguelites don't exist at all.

Risk of Rain? Platformer.
Rogue Legacy? Metroidvania/platformer.
Binding of Isaac? Twin-stick shooter, or just SHMUP.
Nuclear Throne? SHMUP/twin-stick.
FTL? Strategy, RTS, possibly space-ship managing sim.
Don't Starve? Survival.

Elona, PCB, DCAA (wtf is that?) and DCSS are all fully roguelikes. And NOT roguelites.

pseudo 6.0.3 is up FYI

>>173264198
Roguelite is not a GENRE but it can still make for a decent descriptor that you can shove onto platformers/shmups/whatever: "game attempts to increase replay value with random generation + something permadeath-ish"

>>173264198
>Roguelites don't exist at all.
Roguelite isn't really a genre, it's a descriptor or a "tag", similar to
>female protagonist
so that you know what to stay away from.

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>>173264503
but if you avoid female protagonist how can you find+play games with yuri?

Grinder with a wand of confusion is like a double Hitler.

>>173264795
Like this:
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=red+alert

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoyToHOWSV8

>>173264485
Minecraft has optional permadeath, and the procedural generation, note a roguelite though.

All I'm saying is those two features don't mean shit. Most old games have some form of permadeath, yet no one called those roguelites. And many have RNG features in their grinding/farming mechanics, but aren't called roguelites.

I have no idea why this trend started to happen to the roguelike RPG genre only, but it has basically redefined the genre at this point with so many people called games "roguelike" that aren't at all. Especially with the Steam tag that mixes everything together.

The plus side is real roguelikes are being found because of this, and I suspect the community is a little bigger because of it. That is how I found them anyways, FTL>realized FTL was another shitty RTS(I hate real-time games)>Risk of Rain>NetHack>delete all non-roguelike games except progress quest, and never look back.

>>173264503
If the tag is describing difficulty, why can't it simply be known as difficult, like Super Meat Boy, Cat Mario, and I Wanna be the guy: Gaiden.

Why make it seem as if these games are somehow related at all to roguelikes?

>>173265317
>If the tag is describing difficulty
It isn't, it is describing a set of features.

>>173265317
>describing difficulty
what
random generation + permadeath-but-not-actual-permadeath-because-theres-some-sort-of-persistent-unlock-slash-progression-system has been an indiegame meme for years
this is what they are referring to when they wrongly call their game "roguelike"

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>Damage so shitty I have to bap mature dragons with my shitty mace of nature for and teleport away the big lizards in level 47/52 areas
Well, at least it's paying off. Sorta.

>>173223835
Hey, I remember playing that game like 5 years ago. It was fun. IIRC towards the end there are so many adventurers with such large light radii that you the only safe way of dealing with them was timestop-spam. That'd have been a sight to see.

>>173223835
>watching another video from the same channel
>"you start off with 15 reasons to live. most people probably have more than 15 reasons to live but you're a hermit so I think the game is being generous."
>channel's name is "recluse the caffiene hermit"
O-oh. :(

>>173261016
That's the reason why Intelligence is important

>>173264198
Yes this exactly, put this in the pasta

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>>173224112
>>173224695
>playing roguelikes
>not wanting to kill yourself

>>173243275
>they mow down everything in Lair, where you're usually the most fucked due to noise.
Lair is the "loudest" branch in the game; noise has less effect there than anywhere else. If anything, it's the later branches with the mages and archers that are most dangerous. In Vaults, for instance, I've literally had some characters walk in, see a warden, get trapped, and die to an unending stream of ruk throwers and humans.
>Fight in corridors.
This is misinformation. Cloud-generation is specifically coded to make those "free damage" clouds rare.

>>173267570
>Lair is the "loudest" branch in the game; noise has less effect there than anywhere else.
Yes but that is only to compensate for the fact that noise carries extremely easily through its wide-open levels with few walls.

>>173267570
>upheveal the warden
>use the door as a choke point
>free floor clear
qaz really isnt that hard

What do you guys mean with vision manipulation for qaz

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>buy a lochaber axe [defender] that gives me enough levels to upgrade my bar chain of the olog with stability, which gives me enough levels to slap a rune of mind of my light for telepathy

Oh man
I've cheesed rune knights so bad with the money exploit I forgot these guys could actually be fun to play

So long dinky nature mace

What's the standard PCB clear time?

What do you think it'll be in easy (pillowfeather softground) mode?

>>173270867
40-60h
1hour

someone fucking pinch me
I'm having fun

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>killing zombies with a knife spear
>take it apart
>it disintegrates into a piece of string
DDA things

some cdda shit needs an "ez-disassemble" tag
how can a game have such realismfag devs but still allow you to fail so horribly at unpacking a toolbox that you destroy all its contents

>>173270863
Did R get rid of infinite gold as well? I only tried it back when I was hypershit, so I doubt I got as much out of it as I could have.

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>>173270863

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>>173271798
Yeah, every stuff you inscribe has a [99%] price modifier so you can't cheese-sell anymore. Not only that but you can't inscribe more than 1 item per rune, so no more stacks of leather jackets of stability.

But hey, it was a bug. It's been fixed.
Now I can play these without feeling any shame!

I'm gonna clear some more vaults and then I'm gonna go into the arena

>>173272165
>1 item per rune
>clearly 2 stability

>>173272407
Anon I mean you can't inscribe stacks
come on
you're better than this

>>173272165
Boo, I'll have to find and comment that out if I feel like being a shitter.

>>173272407
He means you can't inscribe 13 leather jackets with one action but have to do it 13 times.

>>173272407
You need to cast it twice to affect 2 items.

Beforehand, if you had a stack of 99 daggers (1d4) (+0, +0), one cast would stick the rune on all 99 of them.

Whats exactly with the hate for adom

>>173270843
use fog/walls to restrict the areas that your blinks/qazloud abilities can land
shit can't go where you can't see

>>173272623
closed source = notaroguelike

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>>173271778
There's two separate issues, actually.

One where certain bits of a disassembly shouldn't really be possible to fail (the toolbox, for instance, or removing the battery from a laptop versus an amplifier circuit). The other is that item damage isn't tracked per component, so you have the nonsense where each item rolls for a chance at vanishing when disassembled (and if you luck out and retrieve all the components, you can then craft a pristine one out of the broken one somehow).

>>173272623
Defies all attempts to describe it

>>173261691
How will JohnCW9 even manage

>>173273324
isn't he still playing version 1.0.5 or something

>>173273493
Oh yeah right.

I wonder what's up with that guy.

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Maybe I'll stop posting my wins until I win something that isn't a healing or buffing crown of glory character.

Alma, estas, and the flying head are pretty cool.

>>173273858
Maybe you should just stop posting in general.

>>173274035
rude
you should be rude only to the weebs

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>>173274035
You big meanie.

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>>173274180
I'm just bitter because trying to run demon crashes my computer.

Also anime~

>>173274291
>mlp: the anime

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I only know bull gates is "shameful", but I don't know how these work.

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no more hard nipples

>>173274631
Gates is "shameful"
everything Eldritch is "fearful"
everything else is "cheerful"

>>173274684
But that's 1/3rd of the best things about sexy swimsuits.

>>173274291
Is it an old computer? Try to seek games only an old computer can run. Enjoy it while it lasts.

>>173276184
No. It's a new computer. Which is the problem, since I have a different graphics card I have to figure out which commandline argument to send demon so that Unity plays nice with open source graphics drivers.

>>173276605
i'm playing it on linux with wine
works fine

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no escape

>>173276605
unity should work with opengl by default

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>falling for the linux meme

>>173276754
>there is , but you cannot any more

>>173276754
>fall through a trapdoor in Stronghold 1
>land in empty nondescript room
>no doors
>search for 1,000 turns
>still no doors
>search for 10,000 more turns
>light goes out
>starve in the dark

>>173271778
People who care about realism in vidya do not actually want realism, they want "sense" and "logic", which generally means short-sighted failed attempts at realism such as
>add 6 gorillion new items because they exist IRL, never balance them and never implement their real life uses, or implement them so badly they might as well not exist
>add 6 gorillion guns with tiny variations between them, but have those variations be totally arbitrary and not correspond to reality
>add soap maker profession but keep soap useless for 10 years of development
>add 6 gorillion alcohol types, but never design a proper "drunk" status that works as it should
>add quivers for bows, but never add the ability to put more than one arrow type at a time into a quiver

It's not just DDA, though it's the only roguelike example I can think of.
For non-RLs, Rimworld is plagued with realismfag ruskies who make shitty "realistic" mods.

>>173259968
>http://angband.oook.cz/forum/showthread.php?p=119703#post119703

> [5] Staves of Genocide are now deeper, making them much less likely to be found. You only need one, of course, but don't expect them every game.

*gun cocking noises*

>>173277521
>>add 6 gorillion guns with tiny variations between them, but have those variations be totally arbitrary and not correspond to reality
What if has 6gorrilion guns but their differences actually correspond to reality
looking at JA1.15 there, fuck all those guns

>>173276748
Yes, I should probably get Wine set up.
Any day now.

>>173277179
Enjoy slavery

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Finally got my fragile patient to mid game under pk's mod with hordes. trying to decide if I wanna go archery, or get better at guns with the endgame of getting a laser rife or something. I'm using a glaive now, but I'm nervous about gettin mulched by Zeds in melee while I'm not paying attention.

I'm gonna try to go minimal bionics, and go down the avian mutation pathway too, just to see what its like. Anyone have any experience with that mutation path?

Also, what do you guys name your worlds in CDDA? Do you just pick random or do you choose some joke name to make yourself chuckle whenever you play?

>>173277656
>Anyone have any experience with that mutation path?
Goes fast in every way, but lmao no carry capacity and gets wrecked by hulks.

>>173277656
I roll randomly until I can jokify one of the results. Recent favorites: Mule Barn (my current), Bernie Sander's Communist Paradise

>>173277656
If you don't give your characters silly or terrible pun names, you're not truly playing roguelikes.

>>173278263
naming is actually NOT rogue like

>>173278263
My current Broken Cyborg is called Luther Manning, which is hilarious.

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What could kill me now?

>>173277656
why does your game look different than mine in regards to the font used? I like it.

>>173277656
>skill rust
>but survivor gear
What did he mean by this?
>archery or guns
Guns. Bows have been steadily nerfed and nowadays they're garbage for combat. You get <10 shots and then you're in melee and you never get out long enough for bows to matter.

That said, with high Strength Throwing is extremely good: no turns wasted switching from a melee weapon to a ranged weapon, high damage, ~60 energy per shot (about 1/2 a turn), and the skill itself levels extremely quickly. The only downsides are that:
1. the good throwing weapons are high volume
2. the good throwing weapons are resource or time-intensive
3. the throwing "weapons" like the sling and atl-atl are bugged or something, they are literally worse than no throwing "weapon"
4. since it levels so fast you quickly reach a point where everything is headshots, and some Zs have enough head-armor to be effectively immune
>laser rifle
Good choice. Laser weapons are excellent.
>nervous about gettin mulched by Zeds in melee
I've never used PKmod. Does it make heavy armor worthless? Because in vanilla an ANBC suit immunizes you to everything but hulks, and I think it's accessible for your skills.

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>>173277656
>1365x688
You are like a little baby
Watch this
*4k intensifies*

>>173279575
>that tile height to width ratio
nty

>>173278263
I didn't think of it when I made this character. I regret it, but I really don;t want to start over; it took me a billion tries to get out of a hospital and not get fucking snapped in two by a random dandelion floating upon the spring breeze.

>>173279180
Uh, I remember a few months back, I was fucking around with fonts and spacing settings and shit. I can't remember what I settled on.

>>173279516
>skill rust
I used to be a fan of skill rust, until an anon explained to me why it was stupid as hell. I've yet to turn it off, just cause I've forgotten. Also thanks for the advice, and PK's shit makes stuff pretty strong, but obviously heavy/power armor negates a lot of the difficulty. I just know that I've never gotten killed by a single tough zombie until I did this challenge.

>>173279575
haha what the fuck also pls no bully, my computer is from 2006.

>>173280268
>until an anon explained to me why it was stupid as hell
why is it stupid

>>173280564
>forcing even more grind into one of the most grind heavy roguelikes

>>173280564
needless increase in tedium for the sake of "realism". For the longest time, I was using intcap, because the idea of relearning shit just to to understand how to make a pair of cargo pants was not the least bit enjoyable. Most people can agree that DDA is full of boring bullshit and needs tweaking to be fun. If It means more time spent 'R'eading and alt-tabbing, it can probably safely be disabled.

A question for Floatrand

What happens when:
>I'm lucky
>wear the unlucky coin
>create the lucky rune
Should I still be lucky?

>>173280564
It doesn't do its job if you're willing to tedium it up.
As soon as the rust starts, you just do something like craft a skewer or punch a skeleton in your closet that you keep for punching and it goes away.

Apparently not.
Lucky just negates the bad luck effect.

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Thanks for saving me some time, Shub.

So were we going to split into high vs low headroom generals or what?

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>>173286441
that was a meme you idiot

>>173286441
No why did you even think that

>>173286441
No, but we should split into modal roguelites and non-modal roguelikes.

>>173286612
Even nethack has an inventory screen. What qualifies as non-modal?

>>173286441
Low headroom always makes me imagine some roguelike players stuffed in a cramped box or something.

Pretty good place for DCSS fans, come to think of it.

>>173286832
If you have to ask, it does qualify as modal.

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>>173286612
I thought we were splitting into real roguelikes and roguelike-lite?

/rrlg/ when?

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>>173286527
>says the weeb

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>>173287007
>says the weeb

Do you think you're on reddit or something?

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Doubleturns for you.

>>173287209
I'd rather a doubletum

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>>173287209
Nice stats

>>173288295
with that int+wis i'd guess zerker but his hp is way too low

>>173288359
Android warrior.

>>173286952
berlin interpretations are not welcome

>>173286612
>>173286952
So Rogue isn't a roguelike?

Because it has an inventory screen, too.

>>173291063
yes because rogue IS rogue, it's not "like" rogue

>>173291658
So, no games are like Rogue, including Rogue itself?

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apparently PCB will auto-use unidentified scrolls of identify to identify themselves

that sounds like a bug

>>173291779
retard
there's only one game that IS rogue and that's rogue
other games can be LIKE rogue in whatever arbitrary way you decide

>>173291921
But an element of being "like" Rogue is an element that is neither important to nor even a part of Rogue.

It'd be like saying, "3 and 5 are like 2 because they're prime, they're less than 10, and they're odd."

>>173291863
It also auto-uses un-ID'd ID scrolls to ID un-ID'd consumables.

>>173292458
2 isn't odd anon
are you high?

joke
head

>>173293521
No, you're mixing metaphors; he was the butt of the joke

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>>173293873

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UH OH

Sauron packin' heat!

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So the faster i am the longer it takes do do an attack?

>>173294313
10% chance pays off
darynya is p. cool too though

>>173295059
i think that means (x weapon speed multiplier)
some of them like the greatmaul take up to 140% of normal time to attack with

>>173294107
What did he mean by this?

>>173295362
But your speed increases by ([your main dexterity bonus]*5%). And Haste increases your speed by a factor of 1.5. And the biggest, heaviest weapons have a speed of <100%. And the lower your speed is the more red the number becomes. And weapons of speed increases their speed by a flat 50%

>>173292984
and Rogue is modal, idiot

>>173296310
No one said it wasn't. Stop being mean

>>173295756
Well then
maybe it's just badly written documentation and means "30 modified by speed" which would be more like 30 * 100/speed%

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I've spent 60 fucking minutes fighting this stupid piece of shit. This will probably be the first time that I literally do not have the damage to kill Nodens. He's summoned uniques at least 10 times so far, and his self heal makes it impossible to kill him with my current damage.

What is the least roguelike turn system that is still acceptable in a roguelike?

That is, how many actions can you accumulate before it starts getting sketchy?