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Look at that rabbit

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old >>173360587
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Arisa is CUTE!
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Oppaicraft fucking when??
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>>173383234
look at those BAZONGAS
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>>173383234
I want to hug her
>>173383334
pls no lewd
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>tfw trying havencraft for the first time

why is it so fucking comfy
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ERIS THE OLD HAG IS VERY SORRY FOR HAVING A BARREN WOMB

SHE WILL DO ANYTHING FOR YOUR FORGIVENESS
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is dragonsong flute good? I never seen anyone use this card, its a fucking legendary and its shit tier
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>>173383234
The artist should have drawn her such that her huge size crushed the rabbit into a blood splatter beneath her foot
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>>173383417
Because it's a literal retardroof class, just heal/ward/remove anything and play your wincon for free win. Auto pilot class at the worst kind.
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>>173383442
Eris is PURE and FERTILE!
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>>173383442
hey buddy would you mind deleting this post
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http://www.strawpoll.me/12678037

http://www.strawpoll.me/12678043
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>>173383480
>its a fucking legendary and its shit tier

Welcome to every dragon legendary before TotG
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>>173383442
shes not a hag neither she has a barren womb, shes pure and tight like a toddler
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Holy fucking crap, This Runecraft player used 3 D-shifts on me, and kept Kleidescoping my sacred plea so I cant draw two cards, WHILE I had 2 Holywing dragon amulets on the field on their last turn, and then just kept drawing till they were on their last card, had 2 giants on the field and I had that dragonslayer armor that isnt affected by spells or monster affects, so That was my saving grace. and I pulled a win holy shit was it stressing
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Can anything bring back her smile?
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>>173383442
Get zipped
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Shadowverse anime is pretty gud. Main character is girl-Rowen.
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>>173383319
Literally Rune.
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>>173383495
>Auto pilot class

thats not sword and shadow
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>>173383442
Mating press every day until pregnant.

>>173383348
Girls are lewd, nothing wrong with that.
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>>173383481
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climbed 2k points from a3 to aa0 today with "midrange" sword. deck is still incredibly strong. even with shadow in meta.
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>>173383616
theres an anime?
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>>173383606
yeah, me sucking on those lustful tits.
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Is there anyway to make webms on your phone?
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>>173383319
Bloodcraft
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>>173383319
Soon hopefully. Im thinking about playing GBF because they appreciate oppais more. Like giving Forte and Monika bigger tits.
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>>173383606
Killing more x/2s
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>>173383606
My dick can.
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>wards counter aggro
>can't ward against shadownigger because he runs lurching
Fucking epic. I love invincible decks.
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>>173383720
they are average at best
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>>173383560
h-how tight is a toddler?
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>>173383702
>>173383616
shingeki no bahamut isnt SV but still technicaly is
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Aegis really isn't that amazing, I'm getting the same mixed bag results as when I was playing Seraph.
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>>173383870
As tight as the handcuffs that are put on you when you're arrested.
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>>173383609
he looks surprisingly lewd

>>173383616
>Main character is girl-Rowen
i.e. has a wife and a daughter?
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How the fuck does shadow have skull beast into anything into catacomb in every fucking game?
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>>173383913
ACTUAL SHADOWVERSE ANIME WHEN?
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>>173383950
Aegis is amazing because it frees up 12 seraph cards to be used for wards, heal and control.
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>>173383702
Yeah, it has all the dank memes like Hamsa and Dragoncraft. They went full retard and forgot to mention SV in the title though.
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>>173383950
Well no shit. It's a play do nothing card that you pray that the opponent's deck bricked or you can stall it out long enough (you can't) to play your meme legendary.
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What cards came out in TotG that compliment stormhaven? I just can't climb like I used to since the expac dropped.
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>>173383994
you had interesting life!
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>>173384014
Because you're not playing it.
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>>173383609
What is his jap line again?
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Fucking why is this game making me suffer holy shit I get one win out of an intense as fuck game but now nothing but constant losing
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Reminder that if you use Aegis you have already lose your dignity as a human being.
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>>173384045
Probably in 1-2 years. Every game released by Cygames are getting anime adaptation. I just hope we don't get Arisa as protagonist.
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pls post more delicious curves from babverse, i need to make my very own semencraft
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>>173383830
Don't focus too much on ward, use cheap removals to disrupt their setup early game if it's aggro. For Midrange try to finish the game early if you are not Dragon.
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>>173384134
>complaining about turn 9 do nothing
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>>173384125
http://usamin.love/card/cursed_soldier/j_summon.wav
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>>173384064
Dark Jeanne
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>>173384064
you can run some grimmnir

apparently people don't like octobishop who is supposed to be a storm haven card, don't like candelabra too
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This is incredibly stressing, I just want to finish this last daily and then lose to you guys with my suicide blood deck
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>>173384134
You wont that though right?
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>>173384192
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>>173384259
>bad decks needs thinking
really makes you think
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>>173384230
>Shio waga kamani?
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>>173384298
Of course, just revelation + execution + BM + go face. I use three sneks, all three got Themised.
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>>173384259
>played forest need thinking
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>>173384064
arriet is pretty useful, she's like urd but she works with non-storm followers too and is better with evolves
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>>173384134
> aegis of nothing
> revelation and attack
I just don't understand the haven hate in this meta
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>>173384315

You just have to play on curve if you play a good deck so it might as well be true.
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looks like an instant lost match up when your playing wolf bolt against aggro shadow, why can't I build a deck designed to beat before aggro shadow and wallet dragon? what is this nonsense
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>>173384349
Nice 11 pp play.
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>>173384375
Because their deck revolves around letting you do nothing, remove every single thing you drop, heal back every single damage you make, ward their face with every chance they have before dropping down their unremoveable wincon and ToS of balanced system design and watch as you helplessly get your face raped while they can just remove every fucking thing you dropped without harming their big guy.
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>>173384259
> played forest thinking ward evo
indeed
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>>173383606
Zell giving her the storm.
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>>173384430
That's only 9, bms are free
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>>173384423
The secret is going first. Flip that coin and you've got a shot
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>>173383686
Post list
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>>173384430
it's 9pp play

>>173384423
i watched statancat yesterday easily beat aggro shadow even with wooden anomaly deck, their new healing with that crystal bitch into fairy queen is a pure cancer
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>Luna spamming Sugoi when I misplayed
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>>173384540
Oh, that BM.
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>>173384668
Notwithstanding, you still can't count for shit.
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>>173384259
>master plays meme classes
>mage shitter left
>literally storm curve anon
>roach class win guys easy
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>>173384259
>removal elf
>sword face
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Why is this thing allowed to exist?
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>>173384826
RIP
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>>173384907
Why is the Soviet Union allowed to exist?
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>>173384948

Not anymore.
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>Ever seen a twister tear across the land, devouring everything in sight before spitting it out? Wanna ride one?

would you ride her?
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>>173384907
Because it's a win condition and comeback mechanic in one card on a low enough cost and shadow has been underpowered for 2 expansions

Best card in the expansion is still a silver
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>>173385052
>her
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>>173385052
>her
anon you need to get your eyes checked
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>>173385064
Phantom howl aggro shadow was like one of the top decks last expansion especially after the nerfs to daria and oach
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she's just flat
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Looking real edgy there Azazel
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>>173385167
Ambush Azazel when
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>>173385121
>>173385129
>>173385052

Why did you guys assume other people's gender? Could be a xi but I am not assuming.
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Shadowverse gets a anime adaptation.
What studio do you want to adapt it?
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>it's another you can't draw storm against dshift scum episode
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>>173385167

>Filename

I dunno what you're on about. He's as close as he's going to get to being meta. Do I need Bel in my Aza otk?
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>>173385052
are you that anon who masturbated to that (guy) priest?
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>>173385167
>implying he wasnt edgy already
Literally CRAWLING IN MY SKIN edgy
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>>173384564
Pretty much same as pre-expac, but with 2/2 archer whore.
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Would Sybil only activating at overflow fix current dragon? They're usually at that many PP by turn 5 anyway but makes them rely on drawing Aiela/Oracle more.
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>>173385271
what
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>>173385230
Pink Pineapple.
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Its so fucking frustrating not being able to fucking win in this fucking game, No matter what I try to do, It never ever works Fuck I sometimes hate this game

also Im playing with an auto-generated deck so Im fucking just trying
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>>173385064
Plenty of Shadowbabs were saying Aggro was T1 last expansion.
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>>173385342
there was anon who masturbated to a trap and asked svg if it was a girl
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>>173385326
no luminous mages?

>>173385345
sounds as a pony name
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Me taking Orthrus for a walk.
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>>173385361
It was strong but just T2.
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>>173385064
Aggro Shadow has always been at the very least T2 in most expansions. I'm not sure if you can really call that underpowered.
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>>173385270
You always need Bel.
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>>173385470
where is you?
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>>173385475
It was T1 after the nerfs to daria and forest, how could you forget? It was literally 3 weeks ago
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>>173384738
I thought he meant the black mask.
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>>173385417
anyone here /masturbatedtoenvy/?
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>>173385345
I see you're a man of refined taste.
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>>173385551
At the other end of the leash.
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>>173385230
The people who did Kuro Inu

"Haha Erika, won't rape the princess if you let us rape you"
Erika: O-ok

*gets raped and gangbanged by oglers orcs and demons*

*after it's over*

"Haha We raped the princess anyway!"
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>>173385562
LOL
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whoa
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>>173385447
too slow.
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I hate this game
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>>173385562
shadow players have a persecution complex they think their class has always been bad and think they class is bad now
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I WANT TO REMOVE THIS HAG
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>>173385612
>if you let us rape you
not sure if it's a rape then
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>>173384191
DING DONG
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>>173385326
I'm steamrolling as midrange sword too, although I think you've been lucky with that deck, luminous mage really is a must.
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>>173385667
>demonflame mage
oh shit nigger what are you doing
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whats the % of getting 3 roaches within 8 turns assuming you have 100% tutor and 9 cards to get roach with no draw. im bad at math
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Can I get a concede? 29936
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>>173385327
>They're usually at that many PP by turn 5 anyway
Not really. I can't tell you how many times my first Ramp comes from Sybil on turn 5.
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>>173385742
if she didn't want it and give continuous confirmation that she was still enjoying herself then it was rape, shitlord
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Hows this meme's ledger deck?
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>>173385661
i mean all the top players "midrange" decks run her
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>>173385804
fuck skeletons
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>>173385562
It was moved up to T1 along with Aggro Blood by GameAI for a whole 3 days. The deck had decent winrate but its usage is nothing I would call T1.
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>>173385814
https://support.office.com/en-us/article/HYPGEOM-DIST-function-6dbd547f-1d12-4b1f-8ae5-b0d9e3d22fbf
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>>173385692
d-don't remove eris p-please
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>>173385842
how does "continuous confirmation" even look like?
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Quick, post yfw you beat dragon
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>>173385823
Help
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>Elves are for ______
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>>173386030
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>>173386030
B-but I'm dragon
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>>173385847
No Khawy, Nep and Urd?
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>>173385847
lurching and liches are directly at cross-purposes; the best lurching trigger from death's ledger is one that hits a big guy you left up as their last follower, whereas the best situation to be in when you're spawning a lich is one where your opponent doesn't have a board that can trivialize it
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>>173385692
SOON
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>>173386052
Raping and impregnation
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>>173385856
Not really. This is the list from the tier 2 with midrange sword. They dont run luminous because it weakens albert pulls. That is a significant weakness that even free evos on a shit stat minion doesnt overcome.
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How do this lil fuckboi get +2/2 and use his skill on neutral minions when everything else is only get to use it on same craft as the card is.
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>>173385949
i dont understand man :(
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>>173386052
protecting
loving
hugging
smiling
marriage
consensual sex
head pats
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>>173385823
Are all the kind people asleep?
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>>173386052
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>>173386030
Slay dragon.
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>>173386052
guarding, you smug fuck
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>>173386052
hugs
also post archer
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>>173386052
cucking
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>>173386072
Wow, you totally outplayed him by preventing him from drawing Bahamut, bro.
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>shitty luna is back
Dropped already
Hopefuly they never do more leaders with rob so that shadow wont get Rita
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Would he be good if he was 5pp?
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>>173386159

https://twitter.com/tikiposo/status/848160841526423554

http://game-ai.jp/28815/
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>>173385998
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7KPbXU-JmA

Educate yourself.
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>>173386161
Because you're going to take 13 in the face and you'll like it like the dirty, dirty slut you are
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>>173386161
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>>173386108
Alright, thanks for the insight.I only whipped this up with the little knowledge i already had about the amulet.
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stay buttmad sword/runebabs, this is OUR meta now
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>>173386212
This one
>mfw all these cucks who think an elf girl can love someone who doesn't choke fuck her violently
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Please concede 20182
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>>173386052
extreme sex stunts
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>>173386332
That's like the gayest kissing I've ever seen
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>>173386176
i wish an elf would give me a head pat too

>>173386332
i chuckled
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>>173386250
I know, right?
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>>173386052
goblin fucking
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>>173386413
Thank you Elf
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what do you think about burn rune decks like this one?

http://www.teamexg.com/articles/letherna-exg-4-1
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>>173386389
>Dragonbabs spelling the end for shadow after lightning blast gets spoiled
>fast forward a week after launch
>this is OUR meta

Oh how times have changed.
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>>173386212
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>>173386052
Converting to the True Religion.
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>>173386052
I never noticed how cute this elf is
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>>173386519
Reminder that those things mate with these.
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>>173386680
The majority of gbfg are bigass timmies who enjoy high costed cards
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>>173386706
This is good. Genocide those roach fucking elves
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>>173385064
>comeback
(You)
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Post heart of the cards moments
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>>173386774
it's understandable, wouldn't you mate with her too?
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>>173386847
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>>173386774
Her jap entry line sounds like fucking pikachu. I can only imagine what the fucking thing would sound like taking a goblin dong that's probably the size of her leg.
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>>173386176
>ever using the 3-letter s-word

I'm sure you meant "tender romance"
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>>173386680
catacombs was last card revealed you fucking autist. if you didnt notice, neph is literally dead and unplayable vials.
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why didn't we get gobu sleeves and got some fucking feena instead
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>>173386847
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shadow is unbearable this game is no longer any bit of fun
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Mask of black death is fucking Bullshit and I hate it
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>>173387046
moooom, i managed to ruin another man's memes!
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This is your aggro hand tonight
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>>173386972
>forest players will claim this is ok
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>>173387040
because gobu is just a sidekick
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>>173387046
HA
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>>173387046
too soon
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>>173387174
Passing turns doing nothing is a-ok.
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>>173387158
soul convert their qb :^)
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>>173387072
I still won, Pulled a win out my ass, He had a full field of minions and one of them was at 1 Hp so I used orthrus to kill that ward minion and then I played my third Cursed soldier and I Had 4 shadows and He had 4 HP so I Won when he had guaranteed Lethal
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>>173387293
>>173387169
Whoops, wrong quote.
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>Tfw your carrot gets Odin'd
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>25 games in past 2 hours
>60% are dragon, 20% are shadow, 10% haven, 10% sword

fuck this game. this isnt fun at all.
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>>173387046
>this is probably the only video proof of a buffed demonic simulacrum
and how ironic that he gets cucked by a dragon
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>>173387169
If you go 11 turns against forest without seeing a single roach and they have 6 cards in hand one of which I know is a 0 cost gobbu you best be fucking scared.
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>>173386847
has arriet been useful at all?

stuff gets cleared so much lately that there's never a beefy card i can use her on, or a situation where i'd play her instead of some other high cost
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>>173387360
>tfw you banish 3 carrots and 3 Mords
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>>173387046
Mushussu never catches a break
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>>173387449
Seems to only synergies with ambush, tsubaki also has enough health to survive through aoes.
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>>173385998

It looks like this
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>>173387492
I only now realize that those blue things are supposed to be horns and not squiggly arms making Mushussu look smug.
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>get a 6/7 venomous pucewyrm dropped on turn 4
>this is of course followed by 2 Sybil
I swear Dragon keeps coming up with new and inventive ways to fuck you on curve.
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>>173387449
She's a 1 of because this
>turn 6 tsubaki that usually kills some evoed follower or big dragon
>turn 7 evo and atk with tsubaki and us arriet for 12 face damage
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Can someone possibly Post a nice budget Bloodcraft deck??
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>>173386847
Posting in installments
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>>173387615
she cant do the fanfare on herself
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>>173387704
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Someone give me the list of most working Sword deck
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>>173387720
>>173386847
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>>173387787
Crap Im missing some of those cards, Mostly alucard and vampric fortress and veight and 2 vania's and levin, I Just need alot of cards, fuck
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>>173387704
facebook /notes/shadowmemes/mid-range-mastema-in-depth-guide/1283849185035505

>>173387787
isn't it from the rob times

>>173387835
something along these >>173386319 imo
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>>173388001
Yeah it's old but I wasn't aware of any new variants since everyone is now playing vengeance blood.
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>this is from 6 packs
Fuck you, game.
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>>173388102
game-ai has a new variant but it runs 3 belphegors
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https://www.openrec.tv/live/wfBYXdogrTr

Parachan playing a DShift deck with no Flame Destroyers and using Enchanted Swords. It's pretty interesting and anyone that's been wanting to learn how to play this deck should check it out since he's the best DS player I've seen yet.
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>>173388171
your mum runs 3 Tyrones
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>>173388110
about what i got from my last ~6 packs too
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>>173387787
alucard is so bad. run that new bitch that gains attack when shit dies. and not running the new 2 drop taunt and grimnir is retarded. grimnir shits on veights stat line and cockblocks shadow and any other aggro.
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>>173386847
Does this count?
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>>173388208
>curve above 2 mana is a flat line
seems good desu, this might be the motivation I need to try dshift again
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>>173387013
Blast was revealed after Catacomb and he was largely overlooked until the expansion actually hit.
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>>173388323
>and not running the new 2 drop taunt and grimnir is retarded
quit giving shitty advice

aggro blood doesn't run grimnir (haven't seen a single list from a good player that ran them) and usually doesn't run spiderweb imp too
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>>173388430
He's still messing around with the deck but pretty much everyone playing DS is doing so as well. He's not doing well right now but he was winning a good amount yesterday when he streamed.
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MORE DECK SPACES FUCKING WHEN
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>this game consumed a full fucking week and a half of my life
>still not seeing people with the soul squasher sleeve that I had 2 days after reset
I'm a bottomless void of a human being.
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what do you think, how high can one climb with a full neutral zoo deck - lyrial, angel, strix etc?
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Anyone got the mastema baphomet list?
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>>173388621
Your mom always has more dick space
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>>173388695
Probably masters if you played enough.
Neutralcraft isn't that bad if you pack a bunch of leggos for saha to toolbox.
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>>173388714
several posts above

>>173388631
shit sleeves, nobody uses them

i saw 1 or 2
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>>173388785

not dure if saha is worth it without some high end neutrals
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>>173388631
Must be nice to enjoy the game like that. I don't even like doing dailies anymore.
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>>173388695
I believe you can go to master with any deck, as long as you pilot it well and it's proactive/aggressive enough. It won't be as fast as a meta deck obviously, but it's possible.
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>>173388110
Got this from my 1000 score pack.
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>>173389152
>two frogs
You lucky fucker.
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Gentlemen,

I believe this webm perfectly encapsulates the current situation of the meta right now.
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>>173388901
I ran dragon, but don't use saha since my only good neutral is baha. No isra, lucy or zoos so I just went storm ramp because it's cheaper.
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>before release
>Thane and Eachtar were 7PP do nothing

So how come you guys are buttblasted by them now? Just remove them.
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>>173388631
I just play casually. 1k points a day. Didnt burn myself from the game so far and I can enjoy meme decks since I dont give a fuck about ranks
Seriously though do people actually give a fuck about ranks?
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>>173389321
/svg/ is trash at evaluating cards, news at 11
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>>173381959
What extension is this?
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>>173389243
Nah it's more like this
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>>173389321
>Eachtar were 7PP do nothing
That was falseflagging shadowtards. No one else would pretend a card that clearly does something was a donothing.
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>>173389243
puppy on the left = dragon
puppy on the right = shadow
puppy in the middle = everyone else
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>>173389321
>people thought Eachtar was bad
that's a lie
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>>173389451
N
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>>173389472
Time to get your eyes checked.
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I just got dunked on by Azazel and I can't help but feel shameful.
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>>173389452
>>173389518
There were literally those calling him otomeme mk2, and how hagcraft will deny you all the shadows to generate a board.

Some even said why use him when Phantom Howl has Storm.
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>>173389321
thane is relatively low impact on the turn he's played, if aggro were more viable to punish midrange or if there were more decks at around the same speed as roach, people would definitely punish 7 mana no rush no storm no heal no ward
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>>173389472
Those are piglets, not puppies
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>>173389518
/svg/ was complaining Sybil was bad.
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every single fucking game in aa is vs dragon. this is fucking retarded. fucking nigger runes and roach didnt show up this often and werent as broken either.
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>>173389684
It gives shit rush. No one could legitimately believe it did nothing. Maybe you're just incapable of identifying shitposting.
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>>173389684
I doubt anyone said that, he give them rush as well a +2/0 not just summons a bunch of do nothing 1/2s, you must be remembering something or just retarded because that is not do nothing.
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>>173389452
>>173389518
>having a board in removalverse
>good luck having enough shadows for the zombies
>get lightning blast'd/themis'd noob
Now eat your own words
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I'm so sorry your leggo is shit runebitchers
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Anyone have a non Tier 5000 cblood deck?
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>>173388110
That shit and Zoe are almost more insulting than not getting a gold.
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>>173389760
/svg/ complained draconic fervor was bad too before its release
pretty sure none of us know how to build and evaluate dragon, especially not the memeloving dragon mains
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>>173387449
>Turn 5 israphil
>if it survives, arriet for lethal
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this is official guys
aggroblood is fucking dead, because it's face is not enough even when going first against aggroshadow
which i found simply hilarious
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>>173389472
>0:06 Dragon fucks itself
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>>173389321
I legit never saw anyone say anything but good things about eachtar and that he was going to be op as fuck. Sybil maybe, eachtar seemed to be the consensus of an op card
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>>173389906
>runs Soul Dealer
I guess you'd know a thing or two about shitty leggos.
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>>173390010
Play suicide blood.
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>>173390010
aggro blood shits on shadow going first.
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>>173390010
>2nd most wins in ranked
>aggro blood is dead

Pulling shit out of my ass: the post
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>>173390082
>he thinks soul dealer is bad now

D1 should not be allowed to post.
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>>173390010

time to move on to meme dealers
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Can we just get rid of Olivia, Daria, and every other get-out-of-gas-free card? I'm sick and tired of outplaying my opponent only for him to top deck and emote spam me like he just made the play of the century.
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>>173390117
>2nd most wins in ranked
>Pulling shit out of my ass: the post

>>173390086
just had the exact situation, and even then couldn't finish him faster with a nice curve
may be my deck is outdated, i don't know
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>>173389917
>cblood
>Tier 5000
That's incredibly generous.
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>>173390010
Why do you type like a troglodyte? Nevermind, you're an aggro main.
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>>173389472
>puppy on the right = shadow
Incidentally, it's also the cutest one.
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>>173389760
I thought Sybil was instant auto-include and completely batshit insane the moment I saw her revealed. I was completely baffled at /svg/'s reaction of the card. I mean, Lucifer and Fervor were 2 Dragon staples, and they fused both cards into a single one.
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>>173390082
>he doesn't know
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>>173390193
>Get rid of Daria
>Daria
>DARIA
Niggah do you even know what year it is right now?
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Can I make it to Master's with a homebrew Dirt PtP deck?
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>>173390034
>it's dragon bricks again episode, then dies horribly
>anon still complains while being fucked hard by Luna
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>>173390081
>eachtar seemed to be the consensus of an op card
No, that's not true. People thought that Eachtar would be at very least good. A few people only thought he would be OP. There was almost no one saying he would be bad though.
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>>173389760
/svg/ is bad at rating cards.
Shadowfags were complaining that Orthrus was shit and back in RoB Dragonfags were whining that Fervor was awful
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>>173390286
sorry if i offended you !
It's deck for dailies only
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>>173390310
Sybil didn't shine that much until the need to stave off aggro change minds. 3 heal,pp and a body to pressure made her quite nice. The conditional play why she was ridiculed.
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>>173390675
That is one cute dong
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I think homecoming needs to be reduced back to 5 or at least 6. Elf removal is way too weak compared to other classes now.
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>>173390405
You can get to Masters with anything but it would be much harder with meme decks, obviously. Good luck, soldier.
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>>173390287
I want to hug luna, bite her ear, lick her cheek and put it in
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>>173389321
You don't win a game by playing Eachtar on an empty board. The thing that enabled him is the new cards like Prince catacomb and Zombie Party, and Thane. When a bunch of your deck is board flood redundancy it's pretty easy to ensure you have followers that you can buff to go face. Prince catacomb was one of the last cards even revealed so people didn't even see that synergy when he was revealed.

Walfrid's effect is theoretically stronger than Eachtar so why isn't sword overpowered right now then? It's because they don't have the ability to keep a board like shadow does.
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>>173390715
Have they ever buffed a card or reverted a nerf before? I think they would probably just give forest an actually good removal card next expansion, something it really needs.
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Need a concede for the quest please~

45617
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>>173390784
>Sword doesn't have the ability to keep a board like Shadow does
What a time to be alive.
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>>173390805
When they have to give out full refunds whenever a cards is changed? Impossible.
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>>173390715
I think the homecoming nerf was always too severe. 7pp is fucking ridiculous when you consider themis is 6. Homecoming was good but it was the least of forest's problems, honestly.
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>>173390805
Nope. Nerfs have been permanent so far. The reason elf can't play in this meta is that 8 max damage across board is pretty fucking garbage now against skeletons and big ass dragon flowers.
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>>173390784
Would an iron wrought commander with walfrid as finisher be feasible with gaywine?
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>>173390784
I just wanna play a Lecia/Walfrid deck but it's so mediocre compared to shadow
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>>173390845
Thanks vampy-chan!
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Forest playrate is so low because they're using the same cards to do the same shit since DE. It's effective but boring since every other craft got some new toys to play with(barring Rune, which is the second least played for similar reasons). It's not really indicative of the meta being bad.
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>>173390681
I was scared of the conditional play, I know Cygames doesn't fuck around when they print strong legendaries. If they felt the need to put a restriction on Sibyl, it was probably because the card was absolutely broken without it in playtesting.
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>>173390945
Doesn't Forest have Lily which is very good against lone big guys? I aggre big board flood has always been a problem for the deck, but Maahes should do well against skeletons and zombies unlike Daria's Oglers and Flame Destroyers.
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>>173391135
The lack of board clear makes forest irrelevant in this meta.
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>>173391203
Their winrate says otherwise.
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>>173391135
They haven't enabled forest to do anything different since the start of the game. Well except wolf bolt, but that's just like a roach deck with wolf and bolt. Forest isn't terrible right now, but each expansion it just falls further behind because it's not getting like a bunch of good new cards and it can only rely on roach to carry the entire class.
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>>173391203
And yet they are the only craft other than Dragon and Shadow who have positive winrate.
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>>173391135
>Make a push for control forest
>Don't give them any good board clear
>Print Aegis to fuck over control decks even more
I don't understand what they were trying to accomplish.
With no way to deal with board flood Forest will forever be a tempo/combo class reliant on ancient elf and roach
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>>173391297
>aegis
i would rather have several good cards to mess around with than this fuckery desu senpai
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>>173389917
PLEASE GIVE ME A CBLOOD DECK THAT CAN WIN AGAINST PEOPLE THAT HAVEN'T BRICKED
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>>173389113
I've always had an obsession with card games for some reason. I remember I willingly gave one of my friends my YGO cards back in middle school, because it was getting in the way of my studies.
Must be genetic or something, because my mother is one of those people who can spend hours playing spider solitaire.
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>>173391297
>>173391282
I wish Anomeme was viable to play. Too costly as fuck and dies to easy or get cucked by cheap mass ward harder than roach.
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>>173391203
Not really. With Forest all you need to do is get some damage in early and then survive until you get your combo pieces. Pegasus Elf takes care of bigger threats and Aerin helps against smaller.
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So why is Control Blood still shit? They can vengeance on turn 3 and have damage prevention now.
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http://usamin.love/card/orthrus/e_death.wav
superior than sub
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>>173391636
dragon
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anomaly should be 10 mana gain storm when evolved :)
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>>173389472
You're either blind or your native language has one word for all baby animals and you've somehow never come across this difference before.
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>>173391297
Revamped Anomaly was probably the card that would've pushed CForest into T2 instead of pretty much dead in the water like it is now but nope.
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>>173391636
Too inconsistent and slow to deal with Shadow. Doesn't hold a candle to Dragon's raw power.
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>>173383606
Setting the entire world ablaze
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>>173391572
I don't know what I'm doing wrong then. Dragon always manages to heal while leaving me a board that I have to clear.
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>>173391757
>>173391671
How are the sneks? They were all the rage the few hours after the TotG release. Do they just suck?
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Guys I made sneks. I don't really like the deck.
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I've opened two sneks and a belphegor.
How many more leggos until I can start memeing people with the snakes?
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>>173391838
you really fall to meme huh
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>>173391830
blood moon baphomet is a 2 card combo whose pieces are individually kinda bad
dragon oracle is a 1 card combo if your hand contains literally anything
prince catacomb is a 1 card combo if your hand contains literally anything
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Shadow is such a bully...
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>>173391830
Dies to themis. Requires you to do nothing for 2 turns to pull out turn 6 sneks.
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>>173391830
Turn 6 do nothing while everyone has setup their shit for the kill.
I'm amazed it's not used with Laura for at least 20 pt damage storm
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>>173391830
You get zerged hard by shadow and deleted by dragon
You know, the fate of every deck in this meta
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>>173391838
Stop talking about snakes. Every time you guys mention the word I'm reminded of my mistakes.
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>>173391957
Is wolfbolt really that good? I want to play forest but too low IQ for pure roach. feels bad because i vialed my only wolf for nep
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>>173391821
Elf Queen helps a bunch because it's not only the heal but also a body large enough to be a threat, especially with an evolve. Yeah, there's not much Forest(or anyone really) can do against Dragon with a good curve but it's not autoloss.
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Does anybody have the full version of this?
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ahhh the weekend morning streak farming of the casuals feels like everyone is playing some shit deck.

im sandbagging people in B btw
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>>173391838
I opened THREE sneks.
The game literally begged me to play them, I crafted 2 Belphegors to play them and well, sneks fucking suck.
Not sure how they thought turn 3 do nothing into turn 5 do nothing into turn 6 do nothing would be a good idea.
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>>173391991
Laura only gives one follower Storm. Also it'd be impossible to get more than 2 snakes and play Laura at the same time.
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>>173392079
How many copies do you run?
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Standard packs are a goddamned meme.
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>>173392169
One Elf Queen is the standard. Having multiples doesn't work very well because she eats all your shadows
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>>173392169
1. Dead in hand early but you have a decent chance of drawing it by turn 7 if you're running Glimmering and thin the deck with Gobus.
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>>173391838
>>173392021
>>173392164
Support group for people who crafted the sneks deck when? Because I to wasted resources on this shit.
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>>173392049
Nah its decent, you get luckybhere and there...Storm ramp dragon is almost an autoloss and so is shadow if you draw a shit early game. Unless your ladder rarely sees Shadow/Dragon I wouldnt bother. Wolf/bolt has few good matchups but mostly loses to the meta atm.
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Baphomet enhance should be 4pp.
Or keep it as 5pp and make it also gain stats. 4/3 or something, idk.
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>>173392129
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>>173392304
>Crafting a deck on the first day
You have nobody to blame but yourself
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>>173391957
Get fucked, forestfucker.
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>>173392308
Okay, thanks for the heads up.
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>>173392238
>>173392284
Slut never shows up when I need her. I was thinking of adding a second one.
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>>173392049
wolfbolt is the only working forest deck
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>aegis is just a divine armor that took a massive amount of steroid and becomes fucking invincible
Shadow lego Mordecai the Unbanished when?
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>shadow and dragon were the most mediocre crafts for the longest time
>used to rely entirely on either rng gimmicks or gimped curved decks to do anything
>suddenly get their hour of glory thanks to based cygames
>ungasword, roach, seraph, elana, d-shift and daria players suddenly know what it feels like to get stomped
>endless flow of tears
I fucking love this expansion
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>>173392304
I only had to craft one, so it was fine. I still got to use Belphegor with my Soul Dealers anyway.
We'll probably have more refined snake lists coming out when aggro shadow gets the cygames dick.
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>>173392341
Thanks
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>>173392164
You didn't lose anything
You only crafted Belph, who is used in literally every blood deck
I crafted 3 snakes
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>>173392406
>shadow and dragon were the most mediocre crafts for the longest time
Wrong.
Blood has been the wort craft for the longest time by far. Dragon and Shadow have never dipped below tier 2 (except maybe Shadow during Haven's reign), and both Shadow and Dragon were tier 1 standard players. For some reason people love to whine about the crafts but they've never truly been bad, unlike Haven and Blood.
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>>173392358
Im the guy from pic related, LMAO I DON'T MAIN FOREST!!! I PLAY EVERY CRAFT!!! GET REKT SHITTER I HAVE A FULL MID/SHADOW SHADOW DECK ASWELL!!!
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How does control blood even win?
Like what the fuck is its win condition? Azazel + Laura seems like an unreliable meme combo.
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Reminder that Storm Haven is the only respectable Haven deck and if you play any other Haven deck you're scum worse than wallet dragon players
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Concede please!
13132
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>>173392634
Burn or sneks
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>>173392634
Before it used to win by grinding out the opponent until they had nothing left or with just Satan. Now they don't win at all.
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>>173392569
>Blood has been the wort craft
Ungacraft was bretty good desu
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>>173392406
Those same players are probably playing shadow/Dragon so who cares.
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>>173392381
If you have one, try it out if anything. I wouldn't craft a second one though.
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battle me anons i need a private match win 72605
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>Take Two as Shadowcraft
>Only get 6 cards that are worth taking that are over 5+ points to play
>Every round, even after mulligans, I get all six of them
>Win only once

I can't handle RNG.
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>>173392569
>Blood has been the wort craft for the longest time by far.
What went wrong bros? The devs said Blood was supposed to be one of the focused on classes of ToG.
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>>173392729
It was carried by its 2pp demonic strike. While it's stupid to say that blood is not playable, it's still the craft with the fewest options. Dragon had a good aggro deck going, but fucking timmies will always ramp and ask why they lose before hitting 10pp.
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>>173392780
Play a different game then
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>>173392569
Aggro Blood was T1 for a lot longer than Saha Ramp ever was.
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>>173392805
Dragon and Shadow are busted. Maybe next time, Urias
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>>173392848
The only other card game worth mentioning is Hearthstone, and that game relies on RNG to be fun. I'll stick with this game.
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>Haven cancercraft just heals through all of the damage you deal and stalls to victory.

I swear I'm going to bust a fucking blood vessel
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>>173386847
fuck dragon niggers
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>>173392805
Ramp Dragon just happens to kill snakes right now. Let's wait for the meta to settle from the dragon/shadow nerf
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>>173392805
Sneks happened. I crafted fucking 3 of them too while it was a tier 1 deck for 20 minutes. I thought it was gonna stay a t1 deck for a while.
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>>173392886
And Midrange Dragon was T1 a lot longer than Aggro Blood ever was, and now Dragon is T1 again. Not to mention Face Dragon was argued to be t1 towards the end of DE.
Blood is easily the worst class over all. They had one expansion when aggro blood was cancerous and that's all they've ever had. They were fucking dogshit in standard, a level of bad Shadow and Dragon could only hope to achieve
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>>173392673
Thank you for showing me your bones
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>>173393039
>midrange dragon
When was that ever good? Standard?
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>tfw out of the 6 packs i decided to open from the private match memes i got 2 bloody mary's and a beast dominator
>tfw i wanted blood legendaries

god i am fucking BLESSED
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Anyone got the sword deck with arriet teched in?
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>>173393283
Yup. Dragon was ladder cancer in standard. The "ramp up and then hit you in the face with 50 big storm cards" plan was alive and well.
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roland makes me so sad as a forest player
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>>173393327
Thats the pepe deck.
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>>173393039
>They had one expansion when aggro blood was cancerous and that's all they've ever had.
And that's STILL better than Dragon and Shadow. You're fucking delusional if you think your fabled "mid dragon" deck or any shadow deck infested the ladders from top to bottom for fucking weeks like aggro blood did.
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>>173393302
>god i am fucking BLESSED
you got shit m8, enjoy your 3k vials
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>>173384051
you keep saying that, but you never show how you would build around aegis
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>>173393396
They really do need to give support for forest decks that aren't fucking roach or silver.
I think that's what they're going for with elf queen, but elf queen isn't a win condition.
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>>173393396
You can still bleed them out by bouncing roaches, they can't heal. And if midsword gets more popular, we have the jungle variant to turn to.
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>>173393573
>if you think your fabled "mid dragon" deck
>fabled
So you never played standard then? It's okay if you came in during the steam release anon.
And besides, aggro blood was fotm shit. Daria and Roach were the true cancers of that expansion.
And once again, that's all they had. One expansion of having a strong deck. Dragon has had multiple strong decks across multiple expansions. Shadow as well. You're honestly delusional if you think Dragon and Shadow have been worse off than Blood.
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>>173393610
So what happened to Forest if Standard set is rotated out?
They are trying to fix Forest in Arena instead of constructed deck because "they have positive winrate in there so they will be fine" - That's what I think
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>tfw lvl 100 in havencraft and fucking hate playing it now

Aegis was a mistake. This entire craft needs a major rework.

Get rid of these dumb ass amulets, remove themis and give them a mechanic that doesn't have to rely on stalling games for 20 minutes
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>>173393825
We were shafted of a legendary simply because the beta testers thought that Anomaly was "a fun card that shouldn't be changed". They planned to change it into a more versatile control card.
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>>173393937
The mechanic is called amulets that create storm followers
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>>173393825
Standard set won't be rotated out no matter what. Too many cards, and every deck has staples in it. It'd be a completely different fucking game.
>>173393943
Why would they let something as soulless and dead inside as a Japanese videogame player balance a card game?
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>>173393937
Why not just play another class if you don't like the class' playstyle? Storm Haven is also an option
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>>173394040
They confirmed that they will make some rotations at some point.

>IGN: Is that something that’s likely to happen this year? Or is it further down the road?

>Yuito Kimura: At least throughout this year we think it’s fine to keep it as is, but maybe further from there we might have to start thinking about introducing formats.
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>>173394040
>Standard set won't be rotated out no matter what.
They already rotated it out of arena. Constructed will follow later.
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70804 concede me pls
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>>173394360
ty forte
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>>173394212
>might
>start
>thinking
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>Wait until last moment to drop the lethal D-shift making him think im bluffing
>Quickly use 2 Dshifts in a row to make him know i could have killed him twice
>See the "Waiting for a response flaring"
>Quickly ram into his leader to prevent him from conceding and interrupt his actions (again)

99% secure way to make them spass out
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>>173394212
>>173394302
Reminder that rotations are maximum jewery in a digital ccg where you can change card values.
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>>173394579
Rotations are great. You get to mix things out without completely killing decks by constantly balancing cards.
Hearthstone did a terrible job with their rotations, but if the devs give the legacy formats support then things should be fine.
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>>173394535
>IGN: I guess every card game has to straddle the divide between casual players and more hardcore players. Let’s talk about the future of Shadowverse. This is the third expansion and the card pool is growing ever larger. At what point do you need to introduce formats?

>Yuito Kimura: We think it’s still okay, but obviously the more cards there are, the more likely the new players will be confused when they start playing the game, so when that gets to a certain point that’s when we need to start thinking about implementing formats.


>>173394579
I don't like the idea of rotations too, but it'll happen eventually.
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>>173393943
I dont know what they are thinking when give a 8/8 do nothing beatstick to a class has 8 turn 5/10 turn 8 (Maahes) damage board clear max is okay.
>Ancient Forest Dragon
Messed up with Wolf pull
>
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What are formats and rotations?
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>>173394302
They're not going to rotate standard out, because every fucking achievement and dailies gives standard packs
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>>173394742
They delete your collection so you can start collecting again.
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>>173394579
Some of us get bored with playing the same old cards.
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>>173394579
devs making money by going maximum jew is better for the game than devs making money "honestly" by constantly casualizing the game and trying to lure in fresh meat
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>>173394545
>rune dailies
>have a great early start
>chipping away at opponent with lou and golems, use levi and bolts to trade
>enemy on 9hp
>kills my last golem and goes face with the rest of his followers, leave Lou on board
>get met with Waiting for Connection after dropping an evolve and 3 Enchanted Swords on Lou
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>>173394750
They can merge current Standard + DE + RoB, delete some cards from them and call it a "new" Standard
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>>173394786
delet
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>>173394742
Think MTG with its Standard, Modern, Legacy or even just Hearthstone and its Standard/Wild split
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>>173394579
Is this really a problem? I could keep up with most meta decks after buying only two prebuilts. Those that want to have 100% collections will have to keep spending, but that's still a better option than having literally nothing to spend for.
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>tfw you finally get that perfect pepecraft game and win on t5
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>>173394742
Formats are when card games create multiple play modes where only certain cards are allowed. The basic formats are standard, where only recent expansions can be used, and legacy, where all cards can be used. Rotations refer to when cards rotate out of standard formats and new cards come in, usually every year or so.
A lot of people thing devs do it out of greed by taking away your precious cards and forcing you to buy new ones, but that's completely untrue. Formats exist to prevent a few issues, such as powercreep and stagnation. Basically if formats didn't exist the card pool would become so big that new cards wouldn't make a splash without being better than everything that came before, leading to insane powercreep, and there would be so many interactions that shit would be really hard to design around. Their are two solutions to this: massive bannings and powercreep (YGO), or formats (MtG). Formats are the best way to solve this problem because it lets you still play with all your cards in the legacy formats (which is something people don't seem to understand when ti comes to formats).
Now, you could also claim that the devs should just constantly balance cards, but that's also a flawed approach. Constant balance patches will kill decks and make it so decks are far less enticing to actually build towards, as your favorite decks could just get nerfed whenever, and if they nerf a core card but not the rest then you lose out on a fuckton of dust/vials/money/etc. Constant balance patches are actually a really bad idea for card games, because your cards have no guaranteed value anymore like they do now since they could change at any time.
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Need a concede please,
70920
thanks.
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>>173394795
>>173394673
>supporting devs devaluing the cards you spent $$$ on to buy
Once your favorite cards are rotated out they will either never be played again or you can enjoy playing them in a format where the devs don't give a shit about balance anymore.
I understand the MtG devs to a certain extent, considering that it's a physical cardgame and you can't change card values anymore, but how Hearthstone player can be that whipped enough to support that shit is beyond my understanding.

The diversity argument is so stupid, nobody is forcing you to play with the same old cards. Let's hope the nips won't accept rotations, considering that yugioh showed them that another method exists.
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>>173395040
Fucking this. Card balancing isn't something you can just do whenever even in a digital card game.
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>>173395204
Thanks Forte, may your dark wings rule the skies.
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>>173395252
It's ok when MTG does it.
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>>173395252
Oh wonderful, so we're going through the insane powercreep route? Great idea.
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18468

need concede please
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>People in /hsg/ are laughing at our current meta.

JUST
U
S
T
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>>173395279
Isn't the point of it being digital make it easier to be balance? Physical cards are rarely errata'd.
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>>173395252
>considering that yugioh showed them that another method exists.
Yugioh is shit.
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>>173395443
Thanks
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I've literally lost 3k rank playing Dshift. What
s wrong with my deck?
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>>173395384
Powercreep will only be a major issue if the devs don't want to put effort in balancing/designing cards. Rotations are just the cheap and greedy way to sidestep that problem.
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>>173395469
you have to go back.
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>>173395627
you're playing dshift in aggro shadow meta
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>>173395627
as they say, the problem is between the chair and the keyboard
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>>173395469
As if their rogue meta and "spend at least $200 on the xpac to get a legos you need" is better
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>>173395654
There's literally a post right above your own explaining why it's a retarded idea.
Yugioh isn't fun for anyone unless you're a Timmy with very wealthy parents.
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>>173395627
Rune is the worst class right now, and DShift is a bad deck to climb. A top JP player is streaming DShift right now if you want to learn some things about the deck.

https://www.openrec.tv/live/wfBYXdogrTr
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>>173395252
>>173395578
>>173395654
Constantly balancing cards is an awful idea and wouldn't even work. You'd still run into the same issues of stagnation, very limited design space to avoid broken interactions, and new cards needing insane powercreep to actually see play. As the card pool expands cards just won't make an impact unless they do crazy shit.
Also, constant balancing is just bad for card games. Card games aren't like other competitive game, like fighters or shooters or mobas or whatever. You have to somehow get all the cards and work towards building decks; if the cards are constantly changing, then nothing has guaranteed value. Changing a character's damage numbers in a moba is a far less drastic change than changing cards around; the character will still play the same, but the card will not. How would you feel if you spent all your vials building the strongest deck in the meta and it gets hit by the nerf bat to uselessness? If they only nerf one or two cards, all your time and resources go straight down the shitter. That will happen all the time with constant balancing for card games. You can't be constantly fucking around with product people have to purchase, that's a really shitty business model since it means no card will ever have guaranteed value like they do now; yes, cards sometimes get nerfed, but it's very rare and the devs only do it in extreme cases.
Honestly, constant balance changes would be way more fucking greedy than formats, which I don't think people quite understand.
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>>173395578
The point is there, constant nerfing of cards discourages working towards decks. Since people still spend on them like they do on physical cards, that kind of handling needs to be kept too.
It's similar to how MtG banned a card from standard but allowed its use if you have it in the prebuilt deck your purchase and you didn't swap any card out.
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I dislike the cards being randomized from where in the hand they were when the opponent's play them change, was some nice BM letting them know you won with the top deck even if you had other lethals in hand
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>>173395469
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>>173395773
fuck I'm an ESL
you purchased*
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>>173395807
I don't understand why they changed this. It feels like such a meaningless change
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>>173395627
DS sucks now. Skeletons are harder to deal with that bats and Dragon is killing you while healing himself at 10 PP while you have 5.
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23116

would love a non-concede match!

9/20
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>>173395863
It's to simulate real life hand shuffling.
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>>173395863
They did it because in real life you can shuffle your hand.
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>>173395627
>trying to play anti-control deck
>when control doesn't exist anymore
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>>173395627
DShift is trash right now
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>>173395715
What happened with rogue? I thought conceal gone killing it or it's that silly quest thing?
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_ _ _ _!
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>>173396556
RAKU NI SHINERU TO OMOU NA YO
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>>173396556
USOI
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>>173389472
the middle puppy is dragon, the left is everybody else, can do nothing with dragon sustenance, the rightmost puppy it's shadow
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POST 'EM
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>>173396556
Does anyone have the equivalent of pic related for Ta-G? I need it.
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>>173396556

C U T E !
U
T
E
!
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>>173396229
what about that new burn rune thing, without dirt and daria?
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>>173396806
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>>173397204
It's a meme and it's slightly better than playing dshift or daria in this meta but it's still not a good deck
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>>173397223
Thanks
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Why the fuck is Soul Dealer suddenly good? I seriously do not understand.
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>>173397315
As it turns out, Dark Airjammer and Belphegor with vengeance active are extremely undercosted for their effect
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No reason to play this game beyond doing your dailies anymore. Barely a week after a new expansion and deck diversity has dropped off a cliff. If you aren't play one of three decks (aggro shadow/ramp dragon/aegis haven), you just lose. Good shit Cygames.
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>>173397315
Vengeance consistency. Meme dealer + bell can ensure being in vengeance on turn 4, and Ship is a very strong tempo play.
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>>173397315
are mini soul devil, soul dealer and soul dominator related? like the first is a daughter of the next two or something?
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Is the pre-built shadow deck worth buying if i just need cerb and phantom howl?
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I just don't know anymore...
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>>173395469
`
I want something akin to quests desu
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>>173397349
>aegis haven
still can't believe someone can think that this deck is on par with dragon and shadow
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>>173397461
wtf how many packs was that?
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>>173397349
You forgot midrange shadow which shits on the latter two and goes even with aggro
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>>173397315
It shits on Dragon if you play on curve. Forces them to contrl or die. If they don't have removals they will actually just evaporate turn 6.

Time bomb Devils of Vengeance are the best.
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>>173396508
yeah, Rouge quest OP
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REEEEEEEEE
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>>173397426
You can vial the rest of the deck aside from cerb + phantom howl for like 3k vials or something so seems good
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>>173383606
The day of judgement, soon the children will not have to fight in wars and the worldwide suffering will be replaced by the 1000 year reign of the Kingdom of Heaven
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>>173397518

Control decks don't exist anymore thanks to Aegis.
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>>173397819
>Control decks don't exist anymore thanks to Aegis
there are literally no control decks that can handle shadow or dragon right now you moron
that's why they don't exist
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>10 packs of ToG
>3 golds
>1 pack of standard
>lego, gold and animated foul tempest
Cygames?
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>>173383913
>>173384056
Not really. Going by your logic the WoW movie is a Heartstone film
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>>173397315

Dragon can't deal with the dealer of memes.

Airjammer is overrated desu. Most of my kys wins are due to Dark General and Dealer buffed by Laura going face. Airjammer is good but its not an automatic play on 5.

It has a really bad matchup against shadow though since they have phantom howl, mummy and cerb to just kill you out of nowhere.
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>>173397819
control decks already "didn't exist" thanks to dshift and now dragon
aegis is slower than dshift and significantly less likely to always come out on turn 9 since you can't tutor for aegis
and your only card draw is sacred plea and radiance, maybe judge

that being said, if you really want to blame aegis then blame dragon for killing seraph. at least you could odin that.
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>>173397819
Wrong, they don't exist because of Dragon being at 10pp when you have 5.

Hag dropping Aegis 4 turns after that is nothing, even Haven wouldn't be seeing play if Shadow wasn't everywhere.
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>>173388208
do you have the lsit?
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>>173398243
>>173388430
>>173388208
kill yourself cancer
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Is the whole point of soul dealer in kys blood to knock you down to vengeance? Why not play a deck that doesn't win the game for your opponent? I've yet to lose to this meme deck.
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>mfw i'd rather pull an animated card that I don't have, rather than a legendary
what has my life come to
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>>173398197
you are not wrong
but as i said before, dragon is not the only reason control decks are not viable anymore
No control deck can handle mid shadow's zombie diarrhea.
>>
What are your thoughts on alternate win conditions? The only way you can win the game without reducing your opponent's life to 0 is to use Seraph and wait for that to tick down. But what if the other crafts had different ways to acheive victory?
>Sword would have 5 seperate followers that are really bad on their own (like 2PP 1/1 or some shit like that) but if you have all of them in play at the same time, you win (kinda like Exodia)
>Blood gets a spell that causes victory, but only if their leader has exactly 1 HP, make it cost 10PP so that their HP-futzing options on the same turn are limited and have to be done carefully
>Dragon gets a high-cost, weak folllower that causes them to win instead of lose if they deck out
>Rune gets a Dshift-like spell that just causes you to win, but the cost is extremely high, like 30PP or something, and it can only be lowered via spellboosting
>Forest would get an amulet that counts down to victory whenever you play a Fairy, but the countdown is like 25 or something
>Shadow, can't think of anything except an amulet that says "you win at X amount of shadows" and X is a stupidly high number, but that seems like it would be jacking Deathly Tyrant's style a bit
just thinking out loud here
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How close am I to building a dragon deck? I never bothered with Dragon but I seem to have a decent amount of their cards...
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>>173398243
He's changing the deck like every few games because he can't find something that works consistently. If you wanna try it yourself put in all the regular DS staples other than Merlin, 3 Blade Mages, and 3 Enchanted Swords. After that figure out what else to put in for extra slots.
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>>173388208
> It's pretty interesting
nothing interesting about that
this deck was played since the start of expansion and it's still to weak and slow to beat dragon or shadow.
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>>173398462
>just thinking out loud here

next time don't
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>>173398328

>tfw only animated legendaries do it for you anymore

I wish I could go back
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Holy fuck midrange shadow is so disgusting, why havent i met it before in AA2?
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>>173398481
3 Sybil
2 Boros
1 more Baha but running 2 Baha is perfectly fine.
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>>173389662
The Azazel decks are legitimately good.
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>>173398328
Ditto my dude...
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what were they thinking
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>>173398586
Because people fell for the aggro meme.
Midrange is clearly superior in every way, since it can control and outvalue aggro, but still go aggro against slower decks.
Thanes are also a retardedly strong card.
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>>173398462
We already have Anomaly which is sort of an instakill attack, so maybe they will introduce some more alternate wincons into the game but I doubt they would have simple conditions like the ones you mentioned.
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>>173398498
It was doing pretty well when he streamed earlier in the day and even had a good win streak. Apparently all those Dragonfags switched to storm afterwards.
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>>173398481
You can play aggro with one more forte, but ramp is still pretty far away. You need sybils, ouroboros and israfils.
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>>173398328

>mfw i vial every animated card because they are annoying to look at
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>>173398586
better than aggro?

>>173398685
her body

a storm haven support lol, they probably thought about her and dark jeanne being paired with octobishop and moon bun memes, also can be used in guardian haven that nobody plays anymore
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>>173398672
>otk that requires 2-4 cards turn 8 at the earliest and can't deal with wards
>good
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This exact expression is the most accurate visual representation of how the player feels when playing this deck in ranked
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>>173398685
I get the idea of comboing with octobishop, cleric lancer, moon, etc. It still need more support to be an proper archtype though.
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>>173398735
Cunt
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>>173398817

Want me to vial you anon?
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>>173398735
i vial most of them and avoid i guess all the animated basics

some are decently animated but few

i'm a fool and forgot to vial an animated piercing rune though when it worthed 200 to vial so i could craft an ordinary one for free, it's a shit to look at
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>>173398618
Thank for the info bredda!
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>>173398764
>>173398812
>her body
i know, 3/4 for 3PP with 2 dmg on your own followers/leader after every attack is pretty cool!
>octobishop
it's a very weak and close to be useless combo
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>>173398890
the animated vial wasn't worth as much as the regular one mate
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>>173398770
You can easily win without doing the combo if you build it more like a traditional cblood with some lauras thrown in. The lauras aren't even bad since they let you get out righteous devils to clear wards while saving evo.
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>>173398927
>it's a very weak and close to be useless combo

how so? it allows you to attack with her without hurting your board

bishop himself when played alone and evo traded can kill a 4/n card and then survive another 4/n card being traded into him
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Opened 3 packs today. Still no leg.
One week still nothing.

Guess Iuck is not with me anymore.
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>>173398785
>that arisa expression
What was she contemplating about?
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>>173398959
both of them gave 200 vials
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>>173399047
Waiting for opponent to just finish the game instead of wasting an evo just to bm.
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>>173399047
that she had to use crystalia aerin for a free evo, healing and ward
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>>173399047
"why the fuck am I using fairy beast"
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>>173399018
well, first of all, bishop will never be relevant in contructed, because cudgel will always be a better choice.
Secondly, why would i ever play Zoe, explain that to me? Haven doesnt have any "get attack buff when injured" followers and that extra 0/1 for 3PP doesn't worth 2 dmg on your own follower/leader
I can understand that Jeanne's buff can be useful in some scenarios but Zoe is just worthless
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What legendaries are a priority craft for Ramp Dragon? I have 1 Bahamut, 1 Lucifer, 1 Israfli, 2 Odins, Fafnir, 2 Satans and 2 DAOs
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>>173399047

why her fellow elf is evolving to kill her
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Gawain now has innate Rush. Enhance boosts his stats and he is treated as a commander.

How is this? Are Support Cannon and Commandercraft viable yet?
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>guy bets on monika
>beats para
based
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>>173399440
why would someone discuss that shit
are you dev? no? then shut the fuck up
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>>173398927

It's not a useless combo if your opponent is forced to remove it right away.
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Eris is such a worthless piece of shit in arena. All her good staples are gold and everything else is donothing garbage. Did people think she's ok now literally solely because she got aegis?
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Can someone post that Burn Dshift list? The one with Enchanted Sword? need it for daily.
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>>173399341
>well, first of all, bishop will never be relevant in contructed, because cudgel will always be a better choice
it's a case of why not both
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>>173399726
this one is much easier for a daily imo >>173386675
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>>173399747
>it's a case of why not both
because lion is even better
>>173399672
>It's not a useless combo if your opponent is forced to remove it right away.
but what if you can't play her on curve
high risk almost 0 reward
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>>173398973
>control blood
>easily win
When will you masochists give up, cygames clearly fucking hates any blood deck that wants to play beyond turn 6
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>>173399805
>because lion is even better
what about urd though

>but what if you can't play her on curve
you can play her on curve

afaik she's usually included alone without bishop
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>>173399363
If you have to choose, getting full sets of Bahamut and Sybil are the most important, in my opinion.
Sahaquiel, her combo pieces, Forte, and Ouroboros are a close second.
Olivia would be a luxury as a one of. Satan is no longer necessary now that Zell combos are a thing, and two Lightning Blasts is enough Banish.
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>>173399805
The same goes for all early game minions. Past 6 to 7 turns you are out of evo points. I'm not saying these are great cards, they are usable for another archetype (Dark Jeanne) but are not that great on current popular Aegis build.
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any ramp bros offer advice on how to deal with Aggro?

Shadow is FUCKING me so hard right now.
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>>173399363
Sibyl since she's gonna make sure you'd live longer to ramp and ramp faster.

Fafnir is outdated due to Bahamut though.
Odin is outdated for DRAGON due lightning blast, unless you want more banish
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>>173400032
Just keep ramping up bro.
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>>173400032
You could try posting your own list, for starters.
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>>173400032
Pray to go first and draw curve ramp.
Anyone is fucked by aggro shadow regardless as long it goes first.
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>>173395252
how does yugioh does it?
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>>173399707
Aria is still pretty strong and Aegis is instant win of the time if you get it out and don't die. Still has healing to help you live to turn 9+ too. It's probably the best class after the top 3, Sword, Dragon, Shadow.
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>>173395252
Fuck you. I want standard rotated from the game so I don't need to play against Dshit anymore.
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>>173399892
>>173400002
>what about urd though
? urd played off curve when you have something with storm/need to urd ancient elf or something like that
>The same goes for all early game minions
i mean if you don't have her on t3 in your hand and play her later she basically murders your own board, which is bad, because you are trying to build it.
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>>173400151
Unlike eris blood has cards that aren't just hunks of understatted junk when you're out of evo points.
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>>173400151
>sword
>top 3

What?
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>need dust
>don't know which legendaries since I only have good legendaries
>even legendaries from other craft but that are top tier so reluctant to dust them in case I ever want to try a new craft
I've been sitting on 3 darias including an animated one since the last expansion and I've never played rune except for trying some dirt decks
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>>173400113
Yugioh doesn't do rotations, they just ban/limit certain cards as time goes on.
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I can't believe I just played Meme Dealer mirrors. Same cards same turn and everything. Lost but man it was some funny shit.
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>>173400408
and is there a format where these ban/limitations are lifted?
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>>173400113

They just have a couple new banlists every year that tries to control the meta. Yugioh is much more archetype focused now so Konami forces you to buy new sets by making cards only work within their archetype. Most of your cards from last year aren't going to have synergy with new ones.

I'm not sure how it will work in SV when crafts are archetypes. They can't just make roach not compatible with newer cards.
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>>173400486
I think there is, but nobody plays it because it's way too crazy.
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>>173400486

yes but no one plays it because the banned cards are real bullshit. like 10+ year old cards that destroy your hand or FTK enablers.
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>half of the JCG20 top 16 brought dragon/shadow
>only 1 of them made it to top 4
there's some justice in the world
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>>173400486
All bans are lifted but many cards are still limited or go from banned to limited. You don't want to play that format even with cards still being limited
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>>173400225
Then play around her. Haven has a lot of followers with more than 2 health (Tigers, Lion, Cudgel, Judge, Radiance).

Or just don't use her if you don't like her. Nothing wrong with that.
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>>173400486
They do release those ban/limitations over time, after they been powercreeped enough to not be as OP as they were.
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>>173400580
source?
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Is there a Maelstrom Serpent deck that can even sometimes win some games?
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>>173400604
dude cmon
we are talking about storm haven here, where birds early are 2/1
and even if cudgel/lion/radiance, they still wont be at full hp all the time, like, you know, trading and shit.
I won't ever play her, don't worry
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>accidentally queue into ranked
>break my win streak
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>>173400701
https://sv.j-cg.com/compe/view/tour/244 is the bracket
https://sv.j-cg.com/compe/view/entrylist/244 is all the decklists
top 4 has 3 shadow, 2 dragon, 1 blood (kys), 1 forest (wolf), 1 haven (aegis)
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>>173400828
congrats anon what was your winstreak. pic is not needed
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>>173400580
cannabilism is an underrated fetish
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>>173400710
Memestorm serpents wins plenty of games, it just doesn't win with any sort of consistency
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>>173400881
vore
dunno, mostly furfags like it for some reason

a silly fetish pretty much like inflation
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>>173400710
You're playing the wrong class if you want to play a non-aggro deck that has a good matchup spread. Cygames doesn't want blood playing anything but decks that end the game turn 6 at the latest. Maelstrom Serpent fixes the problem that cblood literally had nothing to do in the midgame vs slow decks and inconsistent answers to other midrange decks. If you want a consistent ladder deck you don't play non-aggro blood.
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>>173400596
what's the difference between limited and banned? I'm assuming banned is can't be played at all, but limited is pretty open to interpretation.
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>>173400864

Do we need anymore proof that kys is legit and that blood isn't shit and sneks need to stop whining?
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>>173400874
10
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>>173400864
>3 soul dealers kys blood in the final
https://shadowverse-portal.com/deckbuilder/create/6?hash=1.6.63dOg.63dOg.63dOg.6F3pC.6F3pC.6F3pC.5_p-4.5_p-4.5_p-4.6BIrA.6BIrA.6BIrA.6F6kY.6F6kY.6F6kY.6CsCi.6CsCi.6CsCi.63dQ4.63dQ4.5_pFg.5_pFg.5_pFg.63kiy.63kiy.6FB7o.6FB7o.6FB7o.6F6Fm.6F6Fm.6F6Fm.63i_Q.63i_Q.63i_Q.6F8hi.6F8hi.6F8hi.6FB7y.63i_a.63i_a

I really don't see the point of 1 random Snek. but overall very interesting deck list. It's more midrange than aggro.
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>>173400874
3, it was my best since tog started
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>>173400956
Banned is self-explanatory, 0 cards allowed. Yugioh allows a max of 3 copies of a card in your deck. There are two types of limited, one where you're allowed 2 copies and another where you're only allowed one copy.
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>>173400892
if the serpents really had storm... :^)
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>WHAT?


WHAT?!?!?!?


Fucking take two and he drafts two and topdecks them 8 and 9
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>>173400956
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>>173401032
You can't know if he topdecked them or not anymore.
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>>173400949

kys wins on turn 7, your opinion is invalidated.
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>>173400969
Bloods are mostly complaining that for the fourth card set in a row they need to play aggressive decks. They're used to being tier 2 at best.
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>>173397426
Delete
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>>173401035
>>173401023
Alright cool, thanks for the explanation.
One last question what is the extra deck? I'm only familiar with side one
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>>173401032
the mad man
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>>173400969
famico was won by a guy who fought with decks of midrange blood, tempo rune and wolfbolt forest vs another guy with midrange blood, tempo rune and wolfbolt forest

meantime the ladder was dominated by "midrange" sword
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>>173401104

Bloods are mostly complaining that they listened to the same people who said Daria was a bad card, Sybil was bad for ramping and that Thane was 7pp do nothing, and crafted a bunch of useless sneks. Almost all the crying is about how much wasted vials they spent on a t2 deck.
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>>173401159
It's difficult to explain succinctly. Basically it's a second deck that you have during a game separate from your main deck. You don't draw directly from it, you only interact with it from card effects.
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>>173401239
>tfw crafted 3 useless blood moon on the first day
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>>173401032
he should have ensured t9 win already if he wasn't retarded
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>>173401239
>snek
>t2
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>>173401239
Borderline T3 honestly, considering how easy it is to counter them.
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>>173401159

That's where you special summon boss monsters using combo pieces from your extra deck.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPUzbWHbm-8

All the white and black cards come from the extra deck.
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>>173401182
When is the meme that ladder decks and tournament decks are exactly the same going to end? A tournament deck is generally going to be well built but that doesn't mean it has a good enough matchup spread to do well on ladder.

>>173401239
That's their own damn fault then. If they aren't intimate enough with blood to know that control blood is still a meme that's their problem. I was optimistic about blood moon but knew snake was a bandaid to control blood that wouldn't save the deck.
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This is your hand for tonight!
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>>173401284

Sorry, t3
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So, since Shadow is clearly the Soviet Union, whos the USA and whos the UK between Dragon and Sword
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>Go for 4 ranked daily
>Ran into only shadow and dragon craft
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>>173401372
>HE FELL FOR THE BLOOD MEME
Enjoy playing swordcraft until next expansion lol.
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>>173401032
>played the second Oroboros while khawys was still on field and his first Oro could attack

I'd feel bad losing to someone that retarded
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>>173401448
He may have just wanted to heal.
There's no way he loses with 2 ouroboros's in T2 other than to immediate burst.
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>>173401346
Jesus christ, this is so ridiculous. And I thought DShift was bad.
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>>173401502
Shadow has no way to play against t9 t10 ouro on face.
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>>173401372

I vialed all 3 of my BMs that I thankfully didn't have to craft and just made Belphagors instead. Belphagor is way better than Bloodmoon as long as you aren't a pussy and like living on the edge. BM is a 3pp do nothing that has no place in the current meta. 0pp drains aren't worth it.
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>>173401567
I love nothing more than beating bloods on turns 5/6 because they belphegor'd themself.
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>>173401448

Sorry, that screen didnt show it but that 2nd Oro was about to kill me with fanfare
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>>173401502
He would've been at 13 health and his opponent at 1. And had an oroboros on the field.

The retarded play he made heals his opponent for 8 and leaves his entire field empty. There was literally no reason to play the 2nd Oro first other than BMing your opponent which maybe that was what he was doing.
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>>173401369
all those decks beat sword to get to the top

>>173401404
thematically haven is the most american craft

pic is highly related

p.s. tribunal of good and evil is literally named god of the democracy in japanese
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OH BOY A FOURTH FAIRY CAGE
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I got a question, why is it only Eris that doesnt show proper sportsmanship when she loses via lethal?

Only shes the one who goes "I envy you"
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>Blood players were super hgpe about Blood Moon and thought it would save the craft
>they don't even run it anymore and prefer kys
I don't even understand how kys Blood works when aggro Shadow and Zell are running amok.
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>>173401641
>god of the democracy
Haven is France then?
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>>173401636
Well than that play makes a lot more sense but its weird the screenshot was taken at the perfect moment when nothing was happening.
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>>173401659
The game is telling you that you're a fairy who should wear a cage.
Do it, faggot.
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>>173401641
It's not like those decks did badly vs mid sword. Anyway, the point is that people in this thread love pointing to tournament decks as proof for some argument regarding ladder. If a tournament meta is 80%+ rune like we had last expansion, you can bring a deck that beats rune even if it has like 30% win rate vs shadow to tournament. Which is exactly something that happened in RoB. Why do you think Dragon was so popular in the tournament scene despite having some really bad matchups?
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>>173401814
nobody played shadow to the end of rob though, except some nepnep
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>>173401684
they really need to make a way to cheat out amulets
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>>173401732

At least im good at doing useless things perfectly
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>>173401838
Exactly my point. This is why a good tournament deck is not the same as a good ladder deck. A lot of people in this thread don't understand that.
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>>173401684
It works against Dragon and that's the main thing. I'd rather beat Dragon consistently and lose to Shadow than have a good chance of losing to either playing any other form of Blood. even good old Aggrobat doesn't win consistently against Dragon's healing and Rahab.
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>>173401634
>because they belphegor'd themself
Do people really do this though?
I thought you were just supposed to combo belph with moon or mask, not using it as it is
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>>173401554

Well, Quasar decks are infamous combo decks and that's an old video that it isn't even the craziest thing you can do with synchro. Keep in mind that he's playing against an AI because the deck is fairly inconsistent and its not easy to pull that combo off. Quasar isn't even that good and Quasar hasn't won any tournaments since 2011 because they are very easy to counter. Yugioh has a lot of negation and floodgates that just prevent you from summoning so think of it like a D-shift except half the time they'll just stop you mid play and force you to end turn. And with Quasar, if they stop you once you probably aren't making a comeback. The game is a lot slower than that video and it really comes down to setting up and stunning the other player more than comboing an OTK.

>>173401684

Zell is way too slow. You need to be in overflow and have a strong enough follower to storm 10+ damage. You aren't doing that until turn 9 and by then you're probably dead. I've lost to a few errant Forte's though.

Aggro shadow is another beast however, since you can just lose by random phantom howls. It's not impossible but you have to play smart and get lucky. I don't know if the matchup is significantly worse than other matchups against shadow though because shadow is just that dominant right now.
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>>173401913
no it is not exactly your point

it wasn't run on the ladder so it didn't counter a tourney deck on the ladder if we suppose it indeed countered it
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>>173401945
Nah you do it in kys blood for Turn 4 pressure.
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>>173401945
Moon is turn 3 do nothing.
If you Belph with Mask you don't get into Vengeance.
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>finding some success with my homebrew sneks but every victory is hard earned
>have the cards for midrange shadow so I decide to give it a spin
>when I win it's a steamroll
I feel conflicted
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>>173401945
suicide blood deck
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>>173402046
Play forest. You'll get the same feeling, but you actually win.
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>>173402046
>finding some success with my homebrew sneks but every victory is hard earned
Deck and rank?
I've yet to win with sneks fucking A3 besides literally a handful of games where my opponent clearly bricked very hard.
I'm done with throwing away points with these garbage cards and pretty close to vialing all blood cards I own.
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>>173401684
kys blood can push a lot of damage once it gets to the turns where it actually starts to kill itself, and unless shadow/dragon have snap lethal (which is unlikely given the amount of mana they have on the turns where this is happening) they have to respect blood's potential backswing by trading. And the more trades happen, the safer the blood player is
I might be misunderstanding / misrepresenting things, though, I'm not exactly at the highest levels of play for these decks

>>173401814
the point of a deck doing well in a tournament isn't that it's a good deck in a ladder context, the point is that it's a real deck
even if the context of a tournament matched that of ladder, high placings wouldn't matter because everyone who enters with a given deck has a chance of lucksacking their way into a winstreak
but decks that just don't come together and are fundamentally flawed won't be able to do that well against top tier decks even if they high roll; tournament results are a sign that a given deck isn't defective like that and is worth keeping an eye on as the meta oscillates
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>>173402046
Congratulation anon you have figure out which deck is the nigger
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>>173401945

And that's why bloodmoon and sneks are bad. If you play kys you're putting enough pressure on board that after a belphegor your opponent will be trying to clear board rather than trade face damage.

Unless you're Sword or Shadow or Storm Haven you have to clear the turn 4 boards or just die on turn 5.
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>>173402046
I'm still running sneks too anon, but its mostly because I like how wacky the deck is. Win big lose big baby, fuck shit up
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Between SV and HS' meta now, i really am not sure which one is the bigger mess

Then again, it is always messy when new expacs just came out
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>>173402130
A3 also, I feel like the deck is really solid although some of the most popular decks are pretty rough, like dragon for instance
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>>173402279
I thought TotG meta wasn't that bad while playing Haven and Dragon.
Tried out some Blood and Sword. I don't think so anymore...
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>>173402136
>kys blood can push a lot of damage once it gets to the turns where it actually starts to kill itself, and unless shadow/dragon have snap lethal (which is unlikely given the amount of mana they have on the turns where this is happening) they have to respect blood's potential backswing by trading. And the more trades happen, the safer the blood player is
>I might be misunderstanding / misrepresenting things, though, I'm not exactly at the highest levels of play for these decks

That's pretty much right except shadow has a lot of tools to trade and still be fine. Reaper and phantom howl, storm lesser mummies and cerb make going into vengeance right away very dangerous. But if you don't go into vengence turn 4 and they are playing midrange you lose. Its a really hard matchup and I'm still not sure what the proper way to play it is, and even then I doubt that the proper way to play the matchup is going to even the odds.
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>>173402004
I love this meme where people in this thread can't remember more than 2 weeks back. Half of all shadow players ran a Nep deck in RoB and it had a 70-75% win rate vs dragon. Meanwhile in tournament, Nep basically didn't exist so dragon was insanely popular to beat Daria.

>>173402136
We aren't actually disagreeing here if you read up in the reply chain. I'm arguing with people who see a deck do well in tournament and think that means it's a tier 1 deck on ladder. People in this thread see a deck do well in a tournament situation where all of its bad matchups that make up 1/3 of ladder don't exist and yell THIS DECK IS TIER 1, TOURNAMENT RESULTS PROVE IT.
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>>173402334
>>173402207
Can you post your decks?
Want to see what people who run sneks play.
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>>173402396
nobody except memers brought dragon to the tourney

i was talking about blood
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>>173402412
Hidden cards on the left are 3x Blood Wolf and 3x Baphomet
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>>173402412
Not pictured, 3 yurius to help with early shadow heat. Its sub 50% winrate for sure but damn I'm addicted to the turn 6 snake drop concedes
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>>173402464
If you want to ignore that dragon was the 3rd most popular craft in february, sure.
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>/svg/ hyping up turn 6 sneks at the start of the expac
>>requires a turn 3 do nothing and turn 5 do nothing in order to turn 6 do nothing so that you can turn 7 win

Serpents aren't terrible but the fabled turn 6 play is.
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What were they thinking when they made this?
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>>173402691
a worse seraph? :^)
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Dragon in Take Two is disgusting beyond whatever sword was previously
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>>173402665
It wasn't completely bullshit. The people who actually suffer playing cblood and know the deck knew what it was going to help with. The problem is that dragon/shadow removed every deck it was good against from the game so in turn snakes are bad.
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Asking an honest question, if your baha/ouroboros/mordecai got hexed by lily will you get annoyed and hit concede button?
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>>173402831
no, why would i? it's barely different from them being odined or petrified and that used to be pretty common
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>>173402831

No, I start roping.
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>>173402831
They already done their stuff when played, sticking around is a bonus/instantwin.
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>>173402626
I will never understand why people run demonic storm. I feel like it's such a useless card for that price, and by turn 6 it's not even guaranteed that you can clean board, especially against dragon/shadow, AND it hurts your face. It has never saved me from a winning position and it feels like an overpriced razor fang when I'm winning.
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>>173402665
Eh, I don't think sneks are as bad as everyone is saying, they're just getting super outshadowed by other, better tools the other classes got
It's still a free win against several classes if you land the turn 6 snek
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>>173403003
>from a winning position

And by that I mean "losing position"
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>>173403003
I know a person who chose to run Bloodhungry Matriarch before expac to deal better with Sword and Rune, as Aggro Blood

Though a tiny bit slower, it doesnt hit your face, hits their face and clears board too. I am personally doubtful about it though
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>>173403003
It's good (or used to be rather) in aggro decks because you can't put more than 3 copies of razory claw into your deck. The added bonus of it wiping a board that just finished trading into your followers was a bonus. It was just additional reach to topdeck most of the time.

>>173403036
If you don't get punished for bricking two turns in a row followed by turn 6 do nothing, you deserved to win regardless.
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>>173403003
I don't like it much either, but 3 revelations aren't enough board clear for my deck to survive Pepe, much less dragon and shadow
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>>173403036
>"There's no one else I'd rather lose to"

So, just who does Rowen prefer not to lose to?
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>>173403159
his depression
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Friendly reminder not to liquefy any shadowcraft and dragoncraft cards for the incoming nerf.
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>>173403003
firstly a lot of decks that ran it also ran 3 claw 3 dstrike, so when you need those 3 points for lethal you dont complain they are overpriced when having them inxreases your chance to get burn

secondly it clears the board just fine, clears death breath btw while hitting face
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>>173403159

Kyle. Too many times he was shown who the boss of the barracks was.
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>>173402932
>>173402968
>>173402975
Thanks buddy, glad to hear that
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Is this the correct deck for Atomemeing or am i missing something? I couldn't find a proper list
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>>173403036
Snakes are so much better when youre not using them in a combo deck. They work great as a potential wincon in Control Blood, theyre not your main wincon, but will likely seal out a number of games.
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>>173403246
What is the main wincon of CBlood?
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>>173403246
Cblood lists are usually pretty tight, what would you cut for them?
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>>173403193
They maybe might nerf one or two cards in 2 months
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>>173403209
>not running ghouls' banquet for the T2 atomy dream
where's that webm of the guy constantly getting his T2/T3 atomy snap answered and then going to vial them
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>>173403278
Short answer: they don't have one.
Long answer: Cblood's main highlight has always been how well it deals with fast and aggressive lists that run out of steam. You don't really need a win con if they run out of cards to play and you still have mid sized bodies on board. People generally try to include a secondary win con in cblood for combo/control decks but they're never any good. It's usually something like snakes or demon commander laura storm combos that are completely outclassed by the late game of other crafts but it's the best blood has.
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>>173403282
Thats the problem, CBlood lists vary quite a bit and only a small number of people are dedicated enough to test what works and doesnt.

But I expect when a working CBlood list is made 2-3 snakes will be in it. CBlood always makes its comeback, it just takes awhile.
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I don't understand suicide blood
What's supposed to be so dangerous about vengeance t5 after belph / soul dealer?
Dark airjammer?
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>beat up swordcraft all day
>buy totg pack with my winnings
>get animated gawain
T-thanks I guess.
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>turning otomeme and her guards into burning rats
what have i done...
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>>173403461
i tried otomeme 2 times after in new expansion
>first game with otohime in RoB
>use her on empty board and get killed by blood matriarch next turn
>first game with otohime in TotS
>everyone turned into rats
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>>173403380
Mask gives them a fighting chance against other control or combo oriented decks. Being able to cancel out a Silver Bolt combo or a Zell storm combo with a single 2 cost card is a pretty big deal.
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>>173403461
You played a card titled "mutagenic bolt" from the tempest of the gods expansion of the popular card game shadowverse against a sword player that just played the card "Princess Otohime" the previous turn
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>>173403461
That card is awful. All it does is make you take extra damage for each rat, and they still get to attack you. Only useful if they're at 5 or lower which doesn't happen often since you're busy trying to clear their board in the first place.
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>>173403396
It might not happen this time as long as the current general meta remains. CBlood preys on aggro/midrange lists that get most of their damage from board. Shadow replaced all of those and give blood trouble via being very sticky and having a lot of damage from hand. The slow decks that snake would have helped against are gone now too. You can't build a CBlood list that counters both shadow and ramp dragon (without lucky draws.) As long as that's the case, CBlood is doomed.

>>173403517
The problem with that is it buys you a turn, and then what? Blood isn't a craft that gets rewarded for reaching late game, you still need to close out the game. People have been handing me lethals with demon commander laura. In a couple of weeks when people know how to play against ToG Blood they're not going to enable you to kill them as easily. Virtually all of blood's win cons right now rely on vengeance which is something they can either play around (outside kys blood) or is heavily telegraphed.

>>173403620
If Earthrite ever becomes scary I wouldn't count Mutagenic Bolt out, but that's about it.
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>>173403318
I dunno. Shadow is pure cancer to the point that it invalidates all but meme decks from some classes. Dragon I think they would ignore but shadow is fucking retarded.
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>>173403620
I get a lot of use out of Bolt in Burn Dirt. Its works wonders against Ramp Dragon.
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>>173403620
>using it as anything besides a finisher
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>>173403620
Wouldn't it be the best card against suicide blood since if they dropped memedealer/belph, you'll get to fuck with them especially if you managed to drop at least 2-3 wards?
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>>173403620
that card is a great finisher. but yeah if you're behind it's not that great.
but if you're ahead it's a great card that bypasses ward and damages the opponent. it all depends on how aggro ER can get (right now it's average at best).
>>
Orthus -> 5/2/3
Eachtar destroys all other minions at end of turn
Would this fix shadow?
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>Cygames falls for the ITS SHADOW THAT'S OVERPOWERED NOT DRAGON meme
>Ramp Dragon becomes a tier zero deck

i will love it

absolutely
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>>173403514
i don't even want to bully otomeme but it just happens
i can't take this, make it stop
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>>173403883
>shadow has a positive winrate over every other craft and highest overall
>"it's dragon that is the problem, slide it goyim"

Eternal shadowjew strikes again
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>>173403883
You are just being neurotic like a typical shadow player. In RoB both rune and forest were nerfed at the same time and there is no reason to believe the same thing won't happen here.
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>>173403883
cblood and haven can push dragon out of the meta if they don't have to worry about shadow. that makes the dshitters and knife ears come out to counter the control players and then other aggro decks come out to prey on them.

nerfing only shadow would be fine even though they should at least hit zell.
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how badly this deck will suck in ranked?
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>>173403883
>implying both can't be cancer
they should disallow aegis from being immune to test of strenght too.
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>>173403875
No.
Just make Zombie Party's enhance cost 8
Othus is fine
Make Prince either cost 4 or doesn't stack with skeleton tokens or he doesn't have that last word
Eachtar is fine for a leggo since he needs a board to buff. No follower, Eachtar is meh.
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>>173404114
Why would you use Zoe outside of Guardian sun?
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>>173404129
aegis should be either affected by both parts of TOS or none of them, not half
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>>173403883
>>173404067
Dragon isn't even a big deal. Dragon is just riding on Shadow's coattails because most crafts cannot build a deck that can do well vs both. You basically have to pick which one you want to win against and which one you want to lose against. If Shadow got nerfed Dragon wouldn't need to be touched.
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>>173404203
because it's a storm deck, not gsun
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>>173404243
That didn't answer my question.
Zoe is only good in GSun, so why are you retarded enough to use her in storm?
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>>173404114
You might want to look into that amulet that banishes all 2 health followers since shadow is infesting ranked right now.
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>>173404114
dont fall for the zoe+octobishop meme, i've tried it in different haven decks and it's not good.

zoe alone is decent, add in cudgels and at least 2 lion spirits just to fuck with shadow.
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>play Lunas new chapters

I never asked for this
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>>173403729
For me I think they should limit zell storm effect to dragon followers only. Being hit in t7 with 13 damage to the face is just..
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>>173404230
shadow is basically the only thing fast enough to stop dragon from playing greediest decks possible, when shadows gone dragon will be unstoppable
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>>173404351
i put in octobishop not only because of Zoe, but also because i wanted to use dark jeanne
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Anyone else super unlucky with legendaries?

Only eachtars are decent, rest are memes
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>>173404230
Shadow is stronger right now but Dragon is also absolutely ridiculous. Don't kid yourself.
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>>173404230
t. dragon player

that cancer craft needs a heavy nerf either on ramp (3pp oracle, 4 pp aiela) or on healing (sybill no healing or healng only once, ouroboros no healing or last words on volve only) and also on storm - zell 3pp 2/2 -> 3/3

something like that would make dragon balanced

dragon kills all the control right now, control that could deal fine vs shadow, dragon stomps control and midrange, shadow stomps mudrange
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>>173404307
>"Zoe is only good in GSun"
>zoe is 3pp, gsun is 3PP
shut up retard
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>>173403397
T3 and T4 4/4 bodies are extremely hard to deal with and threaten lethal if you don't trade into them.
Suicide blood is the best blood deck right now and can even compete with dragon decks.
They just kind of suck against shadow.
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>>173403883
Both of them need the nerf bat.
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>>173404510
gsun is 2 pp, you're confusing it with elena
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>>173404476
>wah I'm so unlucky
Fuck off nigger
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>>173404509
>ouroboros no healing or last words on volve only
lul

They will never touch legendaries and give the players full 3.5k vial refund.
>>
I hope they give mid shadow the daria treatment and not flat out kill it if they decide to nerf. I've been waiting since DE to be able to play this kind of deck again.

>>173404519
I love playing decks that lose to a class that's 1/4 the ladder.
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>>173404510
Yeah anon, use a follower that kills your other followers if it attacks in a fucking STORM deck.
You are truly a genius, a pioneer of havencraft, I am terribly sorry for insulting your magnificence
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>>173404615
Which class doesn't lose against shadow?
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>>173404476
Yeah me

I crafted elf queen
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>>173404681
Dragon if it goes first
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>>173404681
shadow
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>>173404737
If dragon goes first it's 50/50 at best for them.
A deck being bad against shadow isn't a criteria for not playing it, since every deck is bad against shadow.
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>>173404821
Dragon going first is a nightmare, they can have 10 pp when you have 4pp
Bravo Cygames
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>>173404509
> control that could deal fine vs shadow
There's no "control" deck that is doing fine versus shadow. Aggro and midrange have consistently high winrates over literally every deck type in the game.

Your balance suggestions are just retarded and would make ramp garbage again. They're only going to make small changes to new silver/bronze cards if they make any at all.
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>>173404624
what point are you trying to make
the point of a STORM deck is that it doesn't rely as much on having board when your turn starts compared to a normal aggro deck
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>>173404681
It's more about exactly how much you lose to shadow rather than binary winning/losing the matchup. As far as I know there's no class that has a good matchup vs both aggro and midrange shadow. Kys blood loses VERY hard to shadow whereas a better deck only loses a little more than half the time.
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How would you fix shadow if you can only change Tempest cards?
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This game is broken, what other games so you weebs play
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>>173404681
Cblood can counter it was hard as haven if they tech against it. Vlad, Flood Behemoth, and Matriarch keep the board clean.

Too bad all the dragon players make doing that impossible
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>>173383661
>Mating press every day until pregnant.
Why stop there?
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>>173404856
I swear it, people cry exponentially more about dragon than shadow, even though shadows winrate is way more cancerous than dragon.
I'll just assume you're too poor to play dragon.
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>>173404856
The worst I've seen so far has been 8PP on my turn 4. I wanted to concede right there.
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>>173404375
Willing to bet that by the end of her story she becomes Batman.
>>
What feels worse shadow curve, or bahamut into 2 lightning bolts.
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>>173404935
Both are cancerous and should be nerfed.
I'm not going to be retarded enough to excuse the overpowered nature of one just because the other is a bit more overpowered. In the end both are overpowered and should be nerfed.
Also I played Dragon all of RoB, so fuck off
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>>173404986
>>173404986
>>173404986
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>>173404878
the only non-golds/leggos nerfing which makes sense it's their old ramp cards
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>>173384303
Scans where?
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>>173405029
good night
>>
>30 turn dragon mirror
>30
>fucking
>turns
>won because he drew 1 more card than me and died to fatigue
>both basically still full life
That was a long and very tiring game
Aegis for dragon when? Need those games to be shorter
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