Tree of Savior General - /tosg/

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The Futureproof guild of the Klaipeda server is recruiting.

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I waited for 30 mins. 30 damn minutes.

>Agny reduced to 50%
lol

>>173225736
The previous thread is >>173055561

Comfy is now being run by neshoi. RIP K********g.

>https://treeofsavior.com/news/?n=920
BIG NEWS. Get hype

So critical rate will be entirely reliable on skills and items, right? It might be that now not every build will be able to rely on crits for its damage without skills/classes/attributes that actually augment critical rate.

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>X fag on suicide watch
Free stat reset
Free skill reset
Free class and attributes reset
Trascended equip will be resetted and sgards refunded
FOR ALL OF YOUR CHARACTERS
YOU WILL JUST HAVE TO BE ONLINE AND PLAY THE GAME WHEN THIS EVENT WILL HAPPEN
GAME IS SAVED
GAME IS FUCKING SAVED

>Spr is weaker

Maybe I should just reroll my Chap to dex.

>>173225963
DEX might still be relevant depending on how the new attack speed stat work

>Attribute learning appearing to be stuck at 1 minute for non-Token users
Thanks for a great service, IMC.

https://treeofsavior.com/news/?n=920
>These updates are going to be applied to our kTOS test server in April of 2017, and will likely arrive in iTOS in the early summer of 2017

>damage = (% factor) x attack x log10 ((attack / defense + 1)^0.x + 1) + additional damage

>eliminating the bonus factor obtained from allocating points in the same stat
>Stat functions are different and skills will scale with levels
>reset attributes and exchange them for attribute points.
>event where you can reset your stats, skills and class ranks at an event NPC. The NPC will provide one stat, skill and rank resetting item per day that can be used a single time and for one day only

>As for accessories, the Agny Necklace, an item with rather peculiar options, will now increase the factor of fire property skill attacks by 50%. Say, if Fireball has an attack factor of 230%, with an Agny Necklace equipped it will expand to 280%.
>Transcendence 20% per stage up to 200% at 10
>upon extracting Blessed Gems from an item, characters will get back 90% of the amount of gems used
>Our plan is to, after resetting all transcended equipment, convert all the materials invested into the new unified Goddess’ Blessed Gems and distribute them back to the players. Any recipes and Blessed Gems you may have saved will also be exchanged for the new versions.

>eliminating the distinction between ‘regular’ and ‘special’ monsters. The HP of monsters will instead be determined by the level, meaning current Rank 8 region monsters, for example, are getting a big reduction in their HP.
>Also, monsters until level 100 will now provide more EXP
>3 new Hunting Grounds for levels 280 to 330
>regular monsters that spawn in large numbers will no longer use skills that affect your character’s movement (stun, knockdown, freeze, etc.)
>Instead, we’re introducing new ‘elite’ monsters that accompany regular monsters and act as a sort of leader

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YOU HAVE ONE DAY TO TRY OUT YOUR NEW SPEC ON ALL YOUR CHARACTERS

MISS IT AND FUCK YOU

GIVE ME 90 DOLLARS

>>173225984
They might change some skills to spr. Remember this is also a skill rework, they will use less flat values and change those to rely on percentages and stats.

We're also getting attribute changes and that changes everything.

>con is still op

way to balance this game

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When were you when Capyba was right?

After this update Heart of Glory >> Skull Smasher

>>173226142
But it's once per day for the event. They don't want people flippantly class changing, it's just so you can figure out what your guy needs.

WHALES ON SUICIDE WATCH, EXTINCTION RISK INCREASES

>>173225963
Quite interesting. Sissel bracelets will surely be re-balanced to get some insane crit rate.

>>173226512
no, but we might get a 270 sissel

>>173226292
I have 6 characters that all need a class reset. Because this change is huge. It might cripple everything. It will change meta.

We have only a small time window to test STR and INT viability.

We need like a month or something to test out the new changes.

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>>173226142
READ PROPERLY NUMB NUTS!

It's going to be an almost assuredly week long event wherein you can FULL RESET PER DAY!

>>173226635
THEIR ENGLISH IS BROKEN

>>173226625
Good thing korea will get this months before us

>>173226625
That's ktest's job. Go make an account there.

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CoffeeHouse is recruiting.

Is it confirmed that they broke event badge drops?

Reminder to reset your archers to have 1 circle of Rogue

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kek

>>173226047
I highly doubt it. Even with the normal attack speed we can't even keep up because of shit ping compared to Korea.

>>173227541
Better sell your Venier and freeze your Fencer then

>>173227538
Spoiled doppel whales on suicide watch

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>damage-defense formular was simple addition so far
Fucking lmao imc. The changes all seem good though. Looking forward to them.

>>173227456
It's fixed, they started dropping for me again.

>>173227538
He should ask for a refund MMOTANK, not IMC
Besides IMC wrote a bold yellow text stating trascended gear will be resetted to stage 0 and shards fully refunded to players

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>>173227538
lol he will be back in a minute and throw more money at imc.

>>173227538
Why Doppels are always this spoiled and retarded?

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>>173227538

>>173228085

This is just proving my theory that every single person that whales in video games is retarded.

>>173228241
Yep. They can't see that they are still the strongest in the game relative to everyone else. Having stage 10 is still pretty fukken strong.

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LET THE TEARS FLOW!

Do I read that right that magic and physical defense is now one stat?

>>173227607
Sorry, I only play the toppest tier of classes.

>>173228516
maybe, maybe not. Nothings decided. But maybe?

>>173228516
No. Get better glasses and don't forget your meds.

Just that most pieces of armor will now both have a magic def stat and phys def stat simultaneously. And these can be transcended.

>>173228471
>Blessed Shards = TP
Nope.

>All these tl;dr changes to stats
Core game is still shit because of countless errors, bad optimization, dumb trade restrictions and weird design choices, coupled with an endgame content that is non existent and bosses that have no mechanics except knockdown.

>1 WoW boss has more mechanics than the whole of ET
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRB1OeUrfk0

>>173228471
Holy shit, don't these people have any self awareness?

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>>173225825
Don't you have any cute anime pictures?

I, ApplyAFineHorse3, got IMC'd by the patch, but I can still check in occasionally, so send a friend request if you want to join.

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>>173228586
Was asking because of this. SPR just "defense" with no ** or anything.

>>173228834
I think it's Summon Defense.

>>173228834
>Reading comprehension
I know the koreans at IMC have bad English skills but what they meant there is using the Associative property of adverb on a noun

SUMMON ATTACK
SUMMON DEFENSE

>>173228834
>Summon
How did you manage to miss that?

>>173225736
Damnit, just when I was leveling a barb fencer for a second character.

What do

>>173229090
keep leveling because class resets are a thing

>>173228990
Either way Spr seems even more like garbage now, they should keep an eye on it.

>>173228626
kys

What annoys me the most is that they won't change how much transendense costs. It's still a fucking boring saalus grind. I fucking hate saalus. Fuck that place. Put those fucking blessed shards somewhere else for FUCKS SAKE. I don't wanna keep running it forever and you still need fucking THOUSAND of that shit.

Game not saved.

>>173229090
Still worth playing, transcending and shit. You just reset to whatever you want after the changes. There's bound to be something in your class tree you'll like.

>>173229128
Well duh, but I'm now wondering if epee garde is still a thing after the stat rework
>>173229234
Probably, but it throws a wrench into things for a bit

>>173228990
I thought the / was just their shit formating.

>>173229219
They might. One step at a time or the whales will sperg.

>>173229321
Well if it is 20% per stage, no reason not to make each stage cost the same.

I can't be assed to farm for 1200 shards for each weapon and then lose the weapon when I have to upgrade. Practonium makes that a big no-no in my book.

>>173229292
Well, it really comes down to what the actual scaling will be when it's released. Epee might still be better than going full STR.

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I don't know if anyone noticed, because you all like to not read and interpret "we doubled the fps" as "we got fps up form 15 to 60" and complain when the changes come that nothing happen, but they said a lot of times in there that they're greatly increasing the power of weapons such that transcendence will be even more powerful and needed with the idea that your damage will come almost entirely from your weapons and that 200% should be more effective than 550% is now.

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Such an original name.

>>173229778
That does concern me a bit.

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>>173227538
>>173228085
>>173228471
??????????????????????????????????

>>173229778
No they didn't say that. 2H weapons stay pretty much the same.

However every mace in the game will have 2 stats. Magic and Physical. And transcending a mace will bring up both. But maces are supposed to be a mid tier.

However 1H swords got major buffed. Also offhand. And their trans costs reduced as well as enhancing.

What they are trying to say with this news is:

>we're preparing you for 330+++ content
>everything right now will become cheaper
>new items in 330+ content will take more gems, money and time

etc.

>>173229502
The reason for requiring a ton of shards is to give players with too much free time something to do. If it's too easy to max it out, people will max it out right away and have nothing left to do.

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>>173229825

>>173229949
>Following the new skill attack calculation changes, we expect item transcendence to have a higher influence on attack
>That graph showing they plan to have trans weapon damage matter more than skill damage or stat damage
They plan to improve enhancing too, which will in turn make trans stronger.

This game is going to depend more on transcendence than it does now. Meanwhile you guys are all going "hurr durr nerf'd"
You'll understand when you're required to transcend to not get wrecked by enemies that do 1s to you now.

>>173229968
That's retarded logic anon. If it doesn't need a full fucking 2 years to do, it means IMC has to focus on other content for once rather than make us fucking rerun saalus.

It's a shit dungeon and a shit way to make people play.

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>>173229968
>nothing left to do.
They could always RP

>>173230295
If you continue reading they also mention they will make it cheaper too. Are you retarded?

>>173225736
So Hop3 is relevant again?

>>173230523
>To transcend a Lolopanther Two-handed Sword (level 270, unique, two-handed) to stage 10, for example, you won’t see much difference in the amount of Blessed Gems required;
>On the other hand, items of level 270 and up (we’re talking ‘unique’ items here) will actually require more Blessed Gems to transcend.
>The price of Blessed Gem recipes is also expected to increase
???

I don't get this stat change. So what should I put on a melee class now? Full str again?

>>173229778
How could 200% be more effective than 550% is now? 550% is absurdly high and benefits from the linear formula, which makes defense weak against very strong attacks but overpowered against weak attacks. Under the new formula, 200% will be more heavily affected by defense than an untranscended weapon.

>>173229825
it means they're a special snowflake

>>173230680
But skills are getting their own multipliers too to make up for the reduction of base damage across the board too; they used fireball with innate 230% mod as an example. So you're still getting close to a 500% mod anyway at Max trans.

>>173230670
Enhancing will become cheaper. Trans keeps the same price. However enhancing affects Trans. So with this update:

Enhancing first > Trans.

They want us to SINK SILVER into our weapons.

>>173230673
Yes

>>173230670
They also say that transcending will scale depending on the grade (stars) of the weapon.

However since trans locks the gear, I'm not convinced this is a good thing. The problem still is that Saalus is a piece of cancer and it takes too long to get anything out of it.

It should've been an instance you run only a few times and make full sets maxed within weeks, not withing fucking YEARS.

>>173230368
>a full fucking 2 years
Some people are already at stage 10. If you think it takes 10 years, you aren't even playing.

>it means IMC has to focus on other content for once rather than make us fucking rerun saalus.
You might as well say pigs will have to fly for once. Any alternative that might actually happen would be even worse.

>>173230928
You aren't supposed to max shit, it's supposed to be a system that is nigh impossible to "finish."

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>>173225736

>fencer finally gets a 315 purp and oj weapon
>they remove crit rate from dex

>>173231294

I've yet to see someone have stage 10 without rampant RMT.

>>173231294
I takes 2 years for a full set of +10 gear if you're farming it yourself on 10 characters 2 times a day. People are already at stage 10 because they just dump a couple hundred dollars in the game and buy them.

>>173230829
>So you're still getting close to a 500% mod
Show your math.

>>173230680
200% of 2000 is better than 550% of 200.

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>>173231368
New rapiers will have +150 crit rate and don't forget lv 270 Sissels 2.0

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>>173228741

>>173230835
>Trans keeps the same price

>On the other hand, items of level 270 and up (we’re talking ‘unique’ items here) will actually require more Blessed Gems to transcend.
>The price of Blessed Gem recipes is also expected to increase.

>>173231720
>>173231720
>items of level 270 and up (we’re talking ‘unique’ items here) will actually require more Blessed Gems to transcend.
That could be relative to the new gem requirements, not compared to how it is now. So, for example, transcending a two-star mace requires a lot less gems. Transcending solmiki gear would be the same as currently.

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>Roll Fencer they told me
>it's futureproof they said
>Venier is hell to farm but it's worth and futureproof and doesn't need trascendence
>Fencer might just be killled, stay tuned :)

>>173231419
>a full set
Who cares? Only weapons matter.

>dump a couple hundred dollars
They don't sell shards in the TP shop. All shards have to be farmed by players, so the issue is the number of shards the whole playerbase can farm compared to the number of shards the whole playerbase needs for core progression. Having a few people at stage 10 today proves the shards are there and the money just decides which players get them first.

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>>173226217
I'm kinda on the fence about this. For all we know, they already said they wanted to add more SPR stuff to Clerics. I already got my Chap Kriv fucked by R9, then I got further fucked by Krivis losing negative critical defense, now we lost magic defense and status resistance, both which are fucking HUGE factors.

The lack of info on what exactly will change on the character to rebalance it worries me. I'll probably take this chance to reset him, Chaplains aren't even that good anymore and changes in the game are constantly shitting on them, meanwhile Capella is still glitchy as shit and ME is fucking dogshit compared to Miko's Hamaya despite being way harder to setup. Now to wait if I should go something like SPR Bokor or just go cookie cutter with INT Krivis

>>173232330
Any class might get killed. Just play along.

>>173232330
Just rerank it into something else??

>>173232350
>Who cares? Only weapons matter.
For now, probably not after defense change.

>They don't sell shards in the TP shop
They do in kToS. Don't pretend people don't buy/bot silver you fucking mongoloid.

>>173232350
>Who cares? Only weapons matter
Did you miss 95% of the news?

So what are Sorcs going to do now that they are REQUIRED to dump points into SPR and have huge mp with % reduction?

Also
>First, we’re getting rid of “hidden” modifiers like the factors of physical defense, block and double-handed sword skills in the Swordsman tree; magic defense in the Wizard tree; and accuracy, evasion, critical chance and basic attack defense-reducing debuffs in the Archer tree.
>and basic attack defense-reducing debuffs in the Archer tree.
Doesn't that hurt one of the archer classes directly, moreso that archers in general?

>>173232507
Do you know if you can use discerning evil to extend the burning debuff from the inquisitor attribute? I might change mine to Pardoner Chaplain if they buff increase Mdef but I'm curious.

Why do they think it's a good idea to add magic def as a basic stat to armor when they have accs that give magic def too, as much as armor would and over 3 slots vs armor's 2?

>>173231439
You're transcending a 200 damage weapon?

A heart of glory with 465 matk goes up to 2557 at 550% not counting upgrades. Doubling 2000 is 4000. The old system is already giving more raw damage, 2092 vs 2000.

2557 + 2000 from base, int, and other bonuses minus 2500 mdef = 2057 damage.

465 + 2000 minus 2500 = 1 damage. The transcended weapon is doing more than two thousand times more damage.

In the new system, 4000 + 1000 from other bonuses with a 60% defense reduction is 2000.

2000 + 1000 with a 60% reduction is 1200. The transcended weapon is doing 2/3 more damage. And that's using a flat 60% instead of log scaling, which I'm too lazy to bother with. In reality the gap between the weapons would be even smaller.

>>173232957
We don't know details on skill modifiers though, the gap will widen if they decide to make base stat and skill modifiers too high, as it seems like they're doing away with the concept of base damage.

>>173232779
>We also want to revise the performance, price etc. of buff, attack and “functional” skills to match the calculation changes discussed here. Any update details should be announced here in the dev blog or on future patch notes.

>>173232779
Hasn't it been confirmed that Spr also increases the SP you get from pots? Low Spr sorc might just be one of those conventions that's hung around.

>go full dex on corsair
>dual weapon assault
>attack speed now increased by dex
>attacking at the speed of light

>>173232691
The current defense formula makes stacking high defense more important than it will be after the change. If they don't nerf ausrine+melstis, it'll still be unimportant in pve.

>They do in kToS.
If you're Korean, that's your problem. It doesn't affect us.

>Don't pretend people don't buy/bot silver you fucking mongoloid.
Are you really dumb enough to reroll cubes when the shards are cheaper on the market? No wonder you can't understand anything.

>>173232720
Did you?

>>173232957
>A heart of glory with 465 matk goes up to 2557 at 550% not counting upgrades. Doubling 2000 is 4000.

Read:
>Changing the skill calculation formula to a percentage-based one means we have to change item values as well.

It's pointless to keep trying to apply fragments of the information we have to things as they are now. They've already stated they're changing everything.

>>173233331
This.
We have to wait for Ktest.

>>173233280
>Are you really dumb enough to reroll cubes when the shards are cheaper on the market? No wonder you can't understand anything.

The people that would waste money on a dead game's silver that starving Chinese children farm would do BOTH you drooling mongoloid faggot. Just hang yourself, you're too stupid to live.

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>>173233236
CORSAIR SAVED

>>173233236
>VERY FAST pirate doing 200 damage at incredibel high speed

>>173232779
Sorc2 currently gets 1.3x attack scaling from INT on the skill and scaling with INT from the riding attribute. SPR attack would have to be massively better than that to justify giving up the benefits INT gives to every other skill. It's entirely possible that everyone will just stick to INT anyway.

>>173233478
rip durability bar

>>173233221
I think HP and SP regen affects potions but it doesn't grow at a rate that would help. You would need like 8k SP potions.

>>173233542
They are changing how skills and attributes work. Also, you probably will see more diversified stat builds anyway.

>>173232897
They want to differentiate armor types (plate, cloth, leather) so you have to choose which stats to focus on. Cloth is going to be the mdef type.

>>173233236
I never have made a Corsair but I want to see this so bad.

>goes so fast he breaks his weapons in 10 seconds

>>173233542
Then what's teh point of being summoner? Int makes your summon stronger right now. If it's going to be gimped without and spr and you don't put any spr, then you might as well not take the class. Are you expecting bats to be the new meme or something?

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>>173233478
I-its more than 200!!

>>173233095
>>173233331
Then you're saying the guy I'm arguing with is making an invalid argument too. I'll settle for a draw.

I'm quite surprised, this is a huge game overhaul.

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These changes are really nice actually
Can't find anything to doompost about
I think this will reinvigorate the TBL arena with fresh builds again

>>173234029
How about the fact that they're doing renewal instead of adding new content and all people will do is reset their builds for a week during the event and then leave again once they remember there's nothing to do?

>>173233872
>how to break you weapon in 5 minutes with this one simple trick

>>173234123
I guess you're right, still a game with 0 endgame
No new content updates ever
And even TBL will still be all Kino3 and Diev3s

>>173234123
Fixing and overhauling the base game is more important than new content for now.

>>173234343
shut up
it's a game about the adventure of leveling
now go make three more alts

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>want to make an archer for pvp
>remember there is still missile hole

>>173234123
Fixing the fucking game is higher priority than new content, that can come after.

>>173233814
I expect people to do what they do now, which is rely on a powerful weapon to fuel the riding attribute while also tossing in skills from other classes like flesh cannon and fireball. There's no reason to expect INT summoning to be gimped since they'd have to make SPR utterly insane before the gap gets that big.

>>173234123
I am hoping the system overhaul makes solmiki accessible to more builds, I would do it if I wasn't basically limited to one of 5-6 builds to get a party.

>>173234458
This.

>>173234123
There's actually a fair bit to do, but it just isn't worth doing because all their underlying systems are retarded. Fixing the systems makes it possible to add content without it turning into the next fantasy library.

>>173234583
>>173234458
Yeah okay. Enjoy your perfectly balanced, 120 fps, 10 player game.

If they are removing the distinction between normal and elite mobs then Druids are getting access to the triple pole of agony attack and Oracles will be able to make good money with jackpot changing again, should be nice.

>>173235121
Yeah we need to add more stuff that the player base will continue to refuse to do.

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>>173234580
qs1hunter3falconer3

>>173233445
more like losing stamina at the speed of light

>>173234660
>There's no reason to expect INT summoning to be gimped since they'd have to make SPR utterly insane before the gap gets that big.

I don't think you're understanding it. Summoning has int and spr scaling because the idea is that summons grow from int and spr. If summons only have spr scaling that means that the skills are going to be changed so that they only scale from spr.

The weapon thing might work,depending on how they change it

>>173234001
I'm surprised most by the fact that they are actually fixing problems on the game, I was thinking they'd be pussyfooting around the core issues of the game and just pumping content after content while making events to desperately grab new players.

I honestly would be angry about the overhaul if I didn't think everything in it is actually good.

>>173235373
Full con, dude

>>173235404
IMC is doing their best!

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>they ever doubted based kim

>>173234580
Roll Hunter3
Enjoy being almost as cancer as clerics

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>>173235669
pls no bully cuterics

>>173235476
>muh attack speed

>>173235121
retard

>>173235378
See
>INT, another stat which wasn’t always advantageous to invest in, gets boosted with higher efficiency in skills, and we’re also thinking of ways to have it influence status ailment resistance and summon stats.

They could even build scaling with level into the skill itself to make full CON viable if they want to. Nothing is saying they'll be limited to just SPR.

>>173234580
Just make a melee archer.

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>these new stats

this is interesting. will make lifeline even better.

still wonder if i should level Agility on my enchanter, now that con increases STA.

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>>173236280
Give me a good Fox build.

>>173235662
Kim is my hero!

ALIVE GAME

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>this guy

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>>173225736
>stop playing ToS since August last year
>seeing new good updates on ToS Facebook page
>thinking of coming back
>see latest update

Oh good my Fencer is basically fucked now. Anyway is the game performance better now? Shit was laggy as hell especially on populated town.

>>173237862
>Anyway is the game performance better now?
Yes, it's way better now.

>>173237862
They're adding two new 315 rapiers.

I never fell for the full dex meme so I'm pretty sure I won't need to change much in my build.
Welcome changes, really.

>>173238735
dex isn't a meme, it's by far the best way to allocate stats as a physical dps.

They'll make a reset event anyway

>>173225736
Dex not being accuracy is the most retarded thing. I don't care what anyone else thinks. That's like the point of the existence of the dex stat in anything. Why didn't they just make agi and luk stats?

>>173226287
I just crafted a skull smasher for a PD, put me in suicide watch

>>173239012
There are many reasons why (based on party configuration) this may not be true.

>>173239235
Only for archers.

>>173239069
Dex is for avoiding in TitS.

>>173239552
In what?

>>173239421
aka the only people that matter

>>173239681
Trials in something space.

>>173239738
Oh that gay furry futa game that gets posted on /f/ sometimes? Why is that relevant to anything?

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>>173239681
Trials in the Sky

>>173239894
Why is Asuka surprised that Penpen is evil?

>>173240064
It's the NGE origin story duh

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>he removed you from his friend list
I wasn't that toxic t.bh f.am

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>>173241640
>t.bh f.am

>>173241640
>toxic
>t.bh f.am
Here's your reason

>Hedgestone doubles magic AND physical attack
>Lower rank damage equalized with higher rank
>Maces can be transcended for both phys and Magic attack
>Werewolf damage scales off both phys and Magic attack+can crit
>Crit now requires gear rather than stat investment

Are you ready for the new Druid meta?

>>173243460
Sshhhhhh, don't tell everyone.

Wait. Wait. Will they give us a stat/class change after patch?

>>173243769
Yes, full reset.

>>173243896
Phew, I'm glad.

>>173243460
>new

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>>173231536

>tfw full str and 330 so couldn't get stat pot

fuck my build is finally saved isn't it, thank you kim

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I made a chicken today.

>>173244147
>implying druid is currently meta

So are they fixing transpose then?

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DOES THIS MEAN DIVINE STIGMA IS ACTUALLY GOOD NOW?

>>173245004
KOENIG COME TO FEDIMIAN I WANT TO BULLY YOU TOO

my dream never happened

>>173244982
No.
>>173245004
No.

>>173245004
I want to motorboat koeniggers tittays.

>>173244895
>100% invincibility
>100% uptime
>WAHHHH IMC Y R WE SO UNDERPOWEREDDDDDDDDDDD

>>173246240
You're using a word you don't know the meaning of.
For example, diev was broken long before it became meta.

>>173245004
well if you can stand the fucking setup required for it.

i honestly can't.

>>173246339
The only reason people didn't play Diev before it was meta was because it LITERALLY DIDN'T WORK most of the time. There was a bug that made the statues just not come out, after they fixed it Dievs were fucking everywhere.

is anyone else having trouble getting badges to drop?

>>173246753
This, back when the cast times were longer and the desync ran rampant, Diev's literally could only cast carve. Ausrine and the rest were "luck" based and you literally could cast it ten times before a single cast would come out.

So it's going to be like this:

>INT and STR a must since skills scale entirely from them + weapon (trans, enhance, attribute) - some skills might directly scale with INT / STR by %, we don't know.

>Taking a little CON is a must since % HP increase
>SPR maybe, or R9 skills will eat all your mana
>DEX purely for auto attack classes (SR, Corsair, maybe Doppel since Cyclone affected by attack speed)

Crit rate being purely on GEAR fucking worries me. It might me that Swords cannot crit until some really late stage gear.

>>173246930
Crit is a niche build in most games. I don't see the issue.

>>173246463
It's honestly not that hard. Generally requires gauging how fast you kill a mob and you just throw it up before a mob dies. Either that or just throw it on a tree root crystal when passing by one.

>>173247113
I see an issue in balance. If swords and archers cannot crit it means magic again reigns king. Which means clerics reign king. Which means wiz3 becomes the norm again (magic crit).

>>173246930
There's plenty of skills in the game already that boost crit rate. For example, Cleave. They might just add it on to some more skills.

>>173246790
Couldn't drop anything from missions, uphill and alembique cave today.

>>173246930
DEX increase Critical Attack, though? Might mean it increases Critical and Evasion at the same time, mite be cool depending on how easy it is to obtain a decent (non-100%, doubt we will see that again) critical, a good attack speed (and some skills) and evasion.

Loss of accuracy worries me, though. Most people will have a fuckton of accuracy being physical attackers with STR. Would have to itemize for both critrate and accuracy.

>>173247319

I closed the game and came back in and now it's telling me plant type instead of beast type. The fuck IMC?

>>173247259
They're rebalancing damage. Not critting doesn't mean normal damage will be garbage like now.

>>173247569
But fencer's entire damage is being able to crit.

>>173247867
Fencer will probably have some insane crit rate boost.
The devs are not that stupid as to completely kill fencers right?

>>173247975
They didnt give them a 315 rapier on R8 release probably for fear of fencers becoming incredibly powerful but forgot about doppelmadara being the true god king of damage. expect fencer to be cucked now that theyre giving them a 315

I don't really see why they're buffing Int so much, full con wizard was a PvP meme and Int was good because it got you up to 3.6 damage per point due to rank bonus+attribute bonus and that bonus was applied over many multihits with no accuracy or crit rate requirements.

>finally get together the stuff to make a red weapon

RHP will still be good r-right

>>173246753
That bug was already fixed in the korean release and it took months before diev became a mainstream build, same with Oracle as people used Druid as a R6 filler and Oracle didn't have any bugs or balance changes to it.

>>173248367
To be fair Oracle's skill descriptions are awful, people thought Counterspell ONLY removed magic circles.

This whole crit nerf reeks of SPR Krivis/Appraisers becoming popular as fucks.

>>173248353
>finally able to craft Skull Smasher
>see news
>maces will be worse than rods for pure casters
>mfw
I'm not sure I want to use 2 pract on this now.

>>173248769
Glad they are finally fixing this garbage, Wizards carrying around elephant dicks and hammers purely for stats instead of wands and staves is ridiculous.

The thing is guys, how badly has IMC fucked us up in the past? How often? Every fucking patch.

Now they announce this HUGE patch.

All I see is:
>BUGS
>OVERPOWERED
>THIS GUY JUST ONE SHOTTED A FIELD BOSS
>MY GUY IS WEAK AS FUCK
>MY SKILLS DON'T WORK WTF
>MUH WHAAALEEE GEARRR
>I just got back 7000 blessed gems by accident $_$ LMAO
>my templeshooter is shitting out 199k crits everywhere, wow
>My corsair still shit....
>omg my doppel is shit now!!
>I can't crit on my fencer now!?!! WTF IMC

etc. Knowing IMC, they will royally fuck up this thing so bad beyond repair. It's like watching a little baby stumble on a sand castle and the next thing he says is

>"For my next trick I'm gonna attempt to land this rocket on the moon."

>>173248590
Didn't they already kill SPR Krivis months ago?

>>173248997
Who cares, we have kTest and class reset with full shards refund so i will just switch from pyro to new flavor

Need some advice. I'm trying to get used to mouse mode on my wizard. My mouse sometimes stops responding like the character wont move when I left click nor cast spells where the cursor is pointing. What do?

>>173249081
Yeah by making crit resist not go negative, people used Spr Kriv to make full Str characters Crit for loads of damage in R7 but trans making dex superior and crit resist not going negative made it pointless. Now though you might not be able to hit crit cap on a lot of enemies so it could be more important.

>>173249081
No. It became weaker than before, but you can still crit with it, people with gear for critting even more.

If you are building around it, it probably shat your build. (ChapKrivis are kill) But if you had it as a rank for Daino and that.

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Not sure how long has it been like this but the price to anvil one-handed swords is lower now and costs the same as armor and accessories.

>>173249191
>switch from pyro
>pyro
retard. I just know elememe is going to make a full return now.

>>173249338
Chap Krivis was always dumb imo, everything you wanted out of that rank of Krivis was scrollable.

>>173249423
Not everyone was planning on dumping money for it, hell most people didn't plan it as a main but as a farming cheap character.

>>173249259
Walk with wasd.

>Dex now increases attack speed
>IMC will revert the base attack speed of all classes to snail pace

Search your hats. You know it to be true.

THE BADGES DON'T DROP ANYMORE WHAT THE FUK

>>173250403
Dex will increase attack speed to the point it will theoretically be pretty good but it will be fucking trash because of bad net code and control dependent attack speed.

>dex increases attack speed and some skill speed
>can't even use running shot properly if you don't live close to the server
this is comical

>>173250498
>>173251053

Maye they'll make holding down the key perform N attacks without the netcode fucking it up? I mean they did bandaid carving after some weeks to make it work even without korean connection.

Here's hoping to see something like 193 ASPD crit builds.

>>173251053
It just means if you don't have god ping among tostards certain builds would be locked to you by default after the changes

Can someone explain to me why Pistol Shot has such low skill dmg and such a high CD as a R7 skill?

>>173248590
whats a good spr krivis build?

lol yellow gems on suicide watch
we back to green now

>>173251225
IMC doesn't actually play their game.

Don't try to think too much about it.

>>173251225
Because you boost that damage by 60% with your buttpirate flag.
Besides it already does more damage than any dragoon or templar skill at R7.

>>173251053
>have to actually get my own internet instead of stealing wifi
LITERALLY PAY2WIN IM GOING BACK TO WOW

when will they allow us to remove gems with tp?

>>173251792
ah you must be the seller of the Nyx gauntlets.

>>173251404
>Because you boost that damage by 60% with your buttpirate flag.
Realistically you don't

>>173232691
retard

>>173252676
>"REEEEtard"
I wish these faggots would leave this general. Nothing says sad little mouth breather than spamming 'retard'.

>>173251301
>Be a High 2 Hop 3
>Finestra and Moulinet the fuck out of things with full dex and yellow gems

Note: I'm talking about having a high crit rate using spears and highlander's lack of weapon requirements(Moulinet has a +60% crit chance), not about Highlander's crit damage increase with 2h swords.

Could even take barb 2 for cleave and wild nature if they really make low level classes in line with high level classes.

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FUCK
They probably "fixed" the uphill/mission badge abuse by making badges not drop inside dungeons, which includes open world maps of dungeon type.

>>173252781
The update is supposed to completely remove the whole "R7 base damage fucking being 90% of the damage dealt", isn't it?

>>173253128
According to their own graphs high rank skills still do twice as much damage than low rank skills.
So maybe not 90%, but 66%.

>>173252778
refer to
>>173229210

>>173253405
Ah, that's a shame. It's one of my main gripes of the game. Baby steps I guess.

>>173252778
>getting triggered by a response made solely to trigger you

Are you actually a retard?

Do you guys really think your Stage 5 or 7 gears matter in the long run? Did you really think if you put enough whale gems into a piece of shit 315 mace in post 330+ content was always gonna be relevant? That Practonium weapon you worked your ass off will have to be destroyed one day.

Every item you make should be temporary, not permanent. This update is good and if it makes your fat ass quit the better, because the game is clearly preparing for R9 with the balances in mind. Skill balance has been horrible since iCBT1 and I'm sorry 50% of the shitposters here didn't play on it but we saw the linear damage numbers a problem since day one. If you're still a Pyro after this mega update or a MikoDiev you should hang yourself They are literally going to make every spec useful, and all you faggots are thinking about is "what's the next meme I can roll for ez-modo?"

I better see some Corsairs, Saddhus, Monks, Hunters, Runecasters and Alchemists WANTED in every group! Every ET will be whatever we can get because every class will be useful with stat scaling!

>>173253128
By replacing it with weapon damage being 90% of damage dealt
I'm dissatisfied by the worth they plan to give to stats. It seems like they just want to make weapons even stronger, like weapon strength was ever the issue and not just them making r8 skills with retarded base damage.

>>173253493

To me the problem wasn't that high ranked abilities did more damage, it was that they did ALL of your damage. I don't mind Dethrone doing more damage than Cartar Stroke, but I do mind it doing literally 100 times more damage.

>>173253680
If I put a 120 weapon up to stage 5, it would be better than most 220 weapons until they were transcended a few times. Unless they come up with some crazy power inflation pract weapons will be fine probably until r10 if that even happens. It's not like 220 weapons won't be strong enough to do r8 content if you made them stage 7. Hell if you ever get r10 gems and put them in your pract weapon you probably literally will never need another weapon short of it being nerfed.

What if sadhu and monk becomes good after the patch?

>>173253680
>a MikoDiev you should hang yourself
Then they have to kill Ausrine and clapping because Diev Miko is too much valuable

>>173253995
Maybe I'll come back.

>>173253702
Oh I agree with that, but with weapon at least you can still use older skills effectively.

>>173253814
Honestly, my problem with it is about the same. In my case is mostly that when I see high level playing, unless it is a mad multihit low rank ability, nobody uses anymore. It's just spamming the 70% attribute high rank ability because everything else will be shit.

>>173254121
I'm thinking if full dex monks will be able to punch in quick succession and have the illusion of dps, like how it's advertised.

>rank skill and stat resets for everyone multiple times and on multiple characters

Holy shit best event ever

>>173253814
>I don't mind Dethrone doing more damage than Cartar Stroke, but I do mind it doing literally 100 times more damage.

Cartar: 947
Dethrone: 16570

This is only 16 times. But Cartar hits 4 times, so this is really only 4 times. You also get some sort of damage bonus from enemies being knocked down first, right? I think it's double, so it's really only 2 times the damage in the end.

https://tos.neet.tv/skill-planner#3114666eh.1a24354a61.15213445.2e4f5a6571.1121354563.11254455

This build is gonna be new flavor meme right?

>>173254958
>archer 2
LOL

I hope they adjust the burn and bleed damage formulas too, since you're not even going to get bonus stats anymore.

>>173254654
I just hope we get appraiser before that

>>173253680
>I better see some Corsairs, Saddhus, Monks, Hunters, Runecasters and Alchemists WANTED in every group! Every ET will be whatever we can get because every class will be useful with stat scaling!
Corsair have shit AoE and uitlity in ET from it is zero
Saddhu problems aren't getting fixed by ythe changes
Monks can already work, suboptimal ofc but they can work as MonkInqui
Hunters3Falcon3 are great in ET already
Runecasters might be worth consideration
Alchemist, for what reason a party should bring an Alchemist? You need Magnus Opus in AFK floors?
>>173255209
Crit rate is gonna be precious, any buff giving +crit for free is gonna be valuable, only decent alternative would be ranger2 because Wugu rank4

>>173255668
>Crit rate is gonna be precious

crit rate is going to be incredibly precious but the problem is are they going to keep the way crit rate works now or do they plan to change it? If they keep it the way it is now it might not be worth it at all. or Kim fucks it all up where you can get like 80% crit rate and still be full STR

>>173255668
>Alchemist, for what reason a party should bring an Alchemist? You need Magnus Opus in AFK floors?

>Dig + combustion.jpg

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What happens to a guild when the Templar rank resets to another build?

>>173256883
He can't reset without giving lead to another or disband

will bokor finally be useful?

>>173256883
I think he can't until he's not the leader, the item is unusable.

>>173256365
>the mythological Dig+Combustion+Quickcast+JP

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Hello old friends
I just noticed your OP. What are the ** in regards to attack? Multipliers? Also how does SPR effect summon attack? Are summon classes fixed now? Is the game actually fucking playable now?

>>173257045
Not until they fix the core design flaw of the class which is the difficulty of creating zombies.

>>173257419
Game's FPS problems are a lot less severe now and the game is getting some pretty dramatic changes regarding attack/defense stats, balancing the classes quite a bit.

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>>173257719
Performance was never a big problem for me. My main issues with the game were first and foremost class balance. Then the lack of endgame goals. I don't need a traditional WoW endgame, it doesn't work for ToS, but things to do are kind of important. I expect video games when I play a video game.

So how will I like ToS these days?

>>173257419

Summon used to be. int = atk, spr = defense. they just unified both into SPR and maybe improved the efficiency/stat.
GUYS
HOW I'M SUPPOSED TO CRIT FOR MY EPEE GARD TO PROC FAMALAMS

GOD, FENCER WILL BE A 3000 ATK SPEED 10% CHANCE TO CRIT CLASS LOL NOT SURE IF I WANT THIS

How come there's absolutely no one in any of the North American servers? Is this game dead here?

>During the event period, players will be exempt from advancement quests, so you’ll be able to advance ranks directly without a quest. This applies to all characters, including those who don’t use the reset item.

Alchemist 3s everywhere.

>>173258270
Americans are busy with watching letsplayers and playing the newest massmarketed turd.

thanks god we have this ktos delay, we will get all the new mechanics and etc from the Koreans mistakes AND we will be able to test things ourself

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Coffee on Fedimian[EU] is open
/w Capyba
Not now, because time to sleep

>>173258270
Burgers are asleep.
Or busy eating. well, they always do that so its prolly sleep.

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>dumb fedicuck goes to bed at 10pm

>>173258364
Nobody will reset into alchemist and you still need to level up to advance.

>>173258364
Alchemist 3 quest is a joke now.

>>173260584
What did they change?

If I do this 140 dungeon again on my monk, I'll kys myself my man

Questing from 163 to 170 is really slow? I just want to kamehameha some mobs

>>173260820
all high and mid lvl monster stats are nerfd a lot

and agny

>>173260869
Questing speed depends only
on you

>all these limited time one entry tickets

Why do they do this shit I feel obligated to use them but never want to.

>>173261028
just run 290 again

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>>173259668

>Was JUST about to put two lv6 Green Gems in my dagger for my Fencer
>Went to sleep last night after opening the sockets, didn't put the gems in yet
>This update

Goddamn, time to sit on these gems for weeks.

Considering they're finally giving Fencers new rapiers, they must be overhauling everything about how they're geared and built unless they end up worse than Venier still somehow.

>>173261807
korea will get it in summer/autum. we in winter.

just put them in. its only Lv6s and you can easy senpai Lv7s until that change (or farm cash for em)

What drops lightna chain? The things that supposedly drop it haven't dropped it all day.

>>173262003
>can easy farm Lv7s
ops

>>173262003
>These updates are going to be applied to our kTOS test server in April of 2017, and will likely arrive in iTOS in the early summer of 2017.
I've been doing alright without them, I don't mind waiting to see the results from kTOS.

>>173262184
oh maybe, but
>believing IMC

>6 months of NEET ahead of me
is this the game for me?

>>173261807

>v 6

Do it faggot. lv 6 is nothing, and it will take a least two months to things hit here. I'm almost on the same situation. Save lv 7 for the rework, abuse lv 6 now. Fencer 3 is OP as fuck, you'll get your investment back very fast

>>173262837
Yes, it's almost a requirement at this point.

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>>173263919
Not for long. The big casualisation patch is coming soon! Everything will be easy for everyone!

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>>173264394

How is our guild in Silute? Do I roll there as a south american or is it ded?

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>>173264528
Its true!
That is literally what IMC wants. You'll see!

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>>173264921

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>>173265017
Stahp being rude. Just do the math and read and all.

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>>173265120
can you answer this, retart? >>173264761

>>173264761
We're alive! However, all of the english speakers in Lewd stopped playing, so you'll only be seeing us speak portuguese in the guild chat.

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>>173265229
its probably ded. or a bunch of random who's

>our guild
XD

you can just play on NA if you want

>These familiar ohayous
GAME _____

>Klaicucks shitposting and being rude
Nothing new here.

>>173265709
>dex will increase attack speed
>which will make things more ping reliant
>you could play on a server where you'll get shit ping!
Anon please.

>>173266409
only for useless autoattacks and a few skills, which have cooldowns and probably suck

Does this event reset at 12? I finished one after 12 but it won't let me get a new one today even though I didn't do it.

When's rank 9?

>>173267325
what day is it today?

>>173267325
Probably summer. They have to do this important remake of the game and spend some time balancing it first. There's also 2 more announcements on this page http://tos.nexon.com/intro/20170405/index.aspx so maybe an announcement is coming at least.

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>>173265671
>BR TARDS

- During the event period, players will be exempt from advancement quests, so you’ll be able to advance ranks directly without a quest.

Now correct me if im wrong but does this mean i can skip miko and shinobi quests and just directly get the class?

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almost.. done..

>>173268674
Can you convert blue swords into fragments or is it one way only?

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>just get yellow gems and ur gonna take 1 from everything
>get them
>take over three thousand damage

why cant the tosg stop lying

>>173268607
You can skip their advancement quests, not their unlock quests.

>>173269024

i don't think so.

brown stoulet helm transmutes to dawn crystals.

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>NOT PLAYING FULL DEX MONSTRANCE MONK 3

TURBO PUNCHES OMG I'LL NEED 120 STAMINA + MASSIVE ALCHEMIST LV 15 STAMINA PILLS

>>173269262
You have to put on aspersion too

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>>173269537
I did.

>>173269489
just get redbull dark-brain

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>iRO now has more players than iToS

K E K

>>173270338
bots aren't players.

>he doesn't have a full dex corsair ready for lightning speed sword and pistol attacks solo triggering fever in 5 seconds

>>173269764
Don't be 10 levels under either. On;y bosses should be hitting you for 3k damage if you have non shit armor and level 5 gems

>>173270567
AFK necros aren't players.

>>173270791
but there aren't afk necro anymore :^)

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>>173270702
Im over the bosses level and have good gear+gems.

about 21xx def and got hit for a lot more than 1

stupid the tosg liars

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>>173271060

>>173271029
>boss
Well duh of course bosses will do high damage in r8.
Some are mostly magical also, even if they look physical.

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>>173271292
but the tosg said
>1 from everything

fuking rude liars