/rlg/ - Roguelike General

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>>172952789
Gotta love how /rlg/ posters only bother making a new thread when the old one's minutes away from 404.

Dear MuNe,
Staff of Death is a god tier weapon for 3 runes
I hope you find staff of torment so you can zigscum forever.
Sincerely,
Anonymous
>>172953138
It's just good general etiquette.

>>172953138
i always knew we were the best general

>>172953138
It's the best way to do it.
Also he used the right image too! What a good OP.
A toast to him.

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>>172954414

Demon blade or +2 short sword of electricity? I have no weapon skills at all

>>172949373
>DancesWithHydras
That's me!
>OssuaryOsiris
>HerOfManyNames
>EmperorOfDune
>FilthyCasual
That-
That is also me.

Christ almighty now I'm fairly sure I have reached 4000 deaths already.

>>172954585
Demon blade of draining*

also grosslyincandescent
I'll have to grab all my names and set the under one nickname
>Forgotten so many names
Shameful.

>>172954585
>>172954704
Depends on where you are. You might as well keep both, using the demon blade to get a drain and then finishing with the short sword.

>>172953468
>staff of death
>on a race that doesn't need the rN
>when excruciating exists
simply

l
m
a
o

>>172954678
are you not ponyposter/arrythmia

Happy birthday /rlg/

>>172955212
You see, people?

THIS is how you Cheipost.

>>172955212
no

On PCB, how'd you rank realms in general?
I know that they are generally suited for different things, but there are worse pools than others. Say, for a mage/high-mage character.

>>172955294
chaos > life > shit > everything else > trump

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>1345x SolarFlare
>489x MistressOfTheDunes
>302x TheWatcherInTheDunes
>255x GrosslyIncandescent
>247x Rememberthe6billion
>242x trelanon
>227x RelittoDelNilo
>207x Esperanza,
>193x FistofTheNorthNile,
>155x AbsolutelyHaram
>135x Regret
>73x FilthyCasual,
>68x BoltzmannConstant,
>61x RottenBandages,
>53x HopeRidesAlone,
>45x HeWhoDoesNotSavescum,
>36x LetoII
>31x HeOfManyNames
>28x MistressOfTheSands
>GrosslyIncandescent
>DancesWithHydras
>OssuaryOsiris
>EmperorOfDune
>HerOfManyNames

>>172955147
Also.

I'm sure I missed some.

>>172955212
>you step from time

>>172952107
who says
do you have proofs?

>>172955554
i spectated his game, someone asked and he replied

>the guy going on about his mumo games is the dumb ponyposter
wow everything makes sense now

>>172955673
Actually I'm just really trying to find out how many splats I've had

I heard there was a !nick command on beem, but I'm too dumb to make it work.

>>172952107
Um, what?

>>172955789
Yeah, there is.
If you list all your nicks I can do it for you.

>>172955673
Does this mean Mumo is more difficult than 14conduct nethack

>>172955641
Huh. VinniePaz was a console player, so any reply he would've made would be in the notes in one of his morgues. Do you have the turn number and morgue file in which he said this?

>>172955938
i recall it was the winning game

>>172955873
They're in this big dumb post.
Just watch out it's "Heofmanynames" and not "HerOfmanynames"
That's a typo
Thanks!

>>172955915
By a landslide.

>>172955873
>>172955492

Woops

>>172953468
Ty anon, so far it's been going great. Just finished lair, had a few close calls but aways pulled through, the worst was an ice cave. Everything there was immune to my stuff. Statues took forever to kill, ice fiends were very deadly and the Reaper at the end almost ended me, but I got through by spamming zombies. It's funny, I used to always wonder why people called kiku OP but now i see. My piety didn't even go down a single * and I used corpse delivery at least 6 times.

>>172955068
>implying I don't use both
Staff of Death while i'm moving around, then if anything gets close to me I switch to sword and cast excruciating. Why limit yourself?

Also should I go for the Necronomicon? I have a ring of wizadry and an artifact ring with +7 int on it. Pain is nice but I can cast excruciating wounds anyways

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>>172956016
>That's a typo

>>172955938
How do you spectate console players?

>>172956126
Ice fiends and reapers are endgame stuff and thus walking xp and piety sponges

>>172956163
You can use the webtiles. But they don't see your messages unless they have it enabled in their rc.

>>172956163
They still show up in webtiles so you can do that. Or you can ssh into a webtiles server and spectate other players via console. Console players can't see webtiles chat, but console spectators can send messages to them.

>>172956117
[20:24] <Sequell> 4232 games for FilthyAnthroFutaCelestiaLover (mumo): 1568x 0.18, 1001x 0.17, 592x 0.18-a, 512x 0.15, 247x 0.19-a, 167x 0.20-a, 109x 0.14, 23x 0.19, 7x 0.16, 5x 0.13, 0.10

>>172956126
Necronomicon for sure my man. If you need pain that bad just use the spell. Other people will say go permanent pain brand but that's unthematic and redundant

>>172956276
>>172956326
Is there a way to recognize if someone is playing console in the webtile interface?

Alright, after a complex retrival of information I've found the exact sum of the mumos and it's around 4200.

>>172956443
That's
that's me yes.
That's a TON of runs. Holy fuck.
Thanks for the name, it fits perfectly

>>172956494
>you will never experience the pleasure of using a +10, +10 demon blade of pain with 27 necromancy

>>172956556
Yes. From the webtiles you can see that his name isn't showing in the spectator tab. Or you can look it up via the bot.

>>172956326
note_chat_messages=true
I play console, but can see your messages.

>>172956732
>nothing that matters give a shit about pain brand
feels bad

>>172956732
wut
he has the pain brand spell you idiot
if you want pain brand that much just free up a few spell slots for it

>>172956589
[20:31] <Xenobreeder> !lg FilthyAnthroFutaCelestiaLover /mumo
[20:31] <Sequell> 4232/6516 games for FilthyAnthroFutaCelestiaLover: N=4232/6516 (64.95%)
Yeah.

>>172956937
That's probably the point were he should just give up

>>172956748
>note_chat_messages=true
>I play console, but can see your messages.
Oh cool

>>172956937
Jesus Horatio Christ

>>172956785
>you will never experience the pleasure of using dark maul with assassin
>you will never experience the pleasure of being a vampire with leech
>you will never use ocpa without chei
>you will never find arc blade
>you will never learn how to spell kiku's full name

>>172957224
>you will never experience the pleasure of being a vampire with leech
still mad that they removed that interaction

>>172957224
>dark maul with assassin
Check, but didn't really like it at that point.
>ocpa without chei
Check, multiple times.
>arc blade
Check, it killed me.
>kiku's full name
Well, crap.

>>172957224
>you will never experience the pleasure of being a vampire with leech
I actually have experienced this. It was alright
Kikubaqudgha
how wrong am I
>tfw never finding OCPA on my beefy demigod mages

>>172957612
IIRC it's Kikubaaqudgha.

>>172957224
>>172957612
>>172957743
now spell Hep

[20:42] <Xenobreeder> =totaldur.lg
[20:42] <Sequell> 3897 games for Xenobreeder: 81d+22:50:21
[20:42] <Xenobreeder> =totaldur.lg FilthyAnthroFutaCelestiaLover
[20:42] <Sequell> 6516 games for FilthyAnthroFutaCelestiaLover: 38d+4:27:00

>>172957872
No longer interesting: https://github.com/crawl/crawl/commit/9f23d048d92c

>>172957315
>you will never find captain's saber and fencer on a vinestalker
>you will never experience the pleasure of disarming, biting, and draining the magic of anyone that hits you

>>172955294
For that kind of character you ideally want actually good offensive spells

You can see all the spell lists here:
https://nikheizen.github.io/pages/spellbooks.html

Realms with good offense include Armageddon, Chaos, Daemon, maybe Death but you'll run into resistance problems.

As a mage i don't know what's best for a second realm, but there are two major points: you only have 0% minfail on realm 1 IIRC (or at least you have lower failrates), and realm 2 can be changed throughout the course of the game.
So some mages choose something with good utility/emergency options for realm1 (like sorcery which has dimensiondoor and clairvoyance) and then have their main offensive spells be realm 2

>>172957959
this code is disgusting

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>enter this room, low HP, almost no mana
>decide to kill this hostile human before I use a spell combo to hide in a wall and sleep
>only "offensive" spell is the "summon nature-aligned CR 1 monster " spell that Druids get at level 1
>"I have the mana for it, no reason not to"
>pic happens: a 2-HP level 1 cat kills a level 7+ red dragon with one hit
Sneak attacks are balanced.

>>172958783
if they're polymorphed they use the stats of the thing they're polymorphed into
red dragon was just being a retard and paid the price for it

>>172956937
To be fair though, I've never said it was anthro celestia
only futa celestia

>>172961226
Dragons always polymorph into a human or a giant praying mantis or an aasimar or something like that though.

>>172961229
IIRC you've posted her in anthro or humanized form here.

>>172961918
that's only because he gets banned whenever he posts non-anthro ponies in vg

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>>172962106
I see.

when are they going to add a dog race to crawl

>>172962703
They have them on some experimental branch
They get changing aptitudes depending on how high their skill is

>>172962768
Decreasing or increasing?

A forced-loremaster race sounds kind of interesting

>>172962881
decreased
easy to hybridize, hard to master

>>172962703
kobolds

>>172963293
gnolls are dogs, not kobolds

>>172963320
HYENA ARENT DOGS
kobolds are still lizards

Are there any Pokemon style rogue likes? Monster catching focused I mean.

>>172963575
literally demon

>>172952789
>>172952789

Poschengband 6.0.2 released, savefile bug nixed.

http://angband.oook.cz/forum/showthread.php?p=119615#post119615

>>172963721
pseudo -r when

>get hype for Turdak
>get owned by Akateko going twice in a row and a Chindi Snuffing me out

fug

My ghost isn't even spicy, so now everyone who goes to Turdak's sanctum will see it and laugh at my ghost

>>172963721
did elliptic finally abandon crawl, those nerds dont deserve him

That map level should be illegal

>>172964047
no
i think he has been working on qw recently

>>172964047
Wasnt elliptic the one that saved us from the devs adding their dumb 1 time haste per level up

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Good golly heck, this game

>>172965325
The more you kill the stronger they become

>>172965325
kill the person that invented breeders

>>172965325
they are breeding faster than you can kill them anon, just evoke feet

>>172958220
Roguelike code tends to be bad since they are based on old codebases stitches together with tape.

>>172965325
Stop, you brute!

>>172965651
>breeding faster than you can kill them
so infinite xp?

>>172965773
This isn't crawl anon
you can also get infinite xp by just going to the > and generating new levels
and you'll approach infinity a few hundred times faster

>>172965712
Then why are newer ones like CDDA code bad too

>>172963789
Not soon. Just fixing merge conflicts is pretty exhausting, and considering the item/inventory refactoring that happened - I need lot of time for that.

I am probably gonna wait until Pseudo bothers with it, so I get the fixes of pseudo at the same time.

Thank god he added bunch monsters from ellipsis, so it is less headaching to adjust the definitions.

Fun that he has my repo locally.

>>172965923
There are always programmers that utilize said tape.

Have there been any funny insider news for the future development of crawl?

>>172964019
>haha what a loser! he doesn't even have actaeon!

>>172965923
Original Cata was written by a single guy to learn how to C
DDA was written by a lot of people who had no idea what they were doing, also two hired professionals, who upon examining the codebase literally disappeared without taking money.

>>172966543
I thought they did take the money and ran

>>172966350
>insider news for the future development of crawl?Play brogue

>>172966695
They took less than their contract stated or something, leaving kickstarter organizers with leftover money. That everyone conveniently forgot about.

>>172966543
>>172966695
>>172966981
We are just being ironic here right, this didnt really happen right

>>172967072
I just checked their kickstarter news and apparently they did set up bounty system for the remaining money, back in 2014.
https://www.bountysource.com/teams/cleverraven

>>172957224
Kikokkabatooka

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what the hell kind of meme ability is this

remove macbre finger now that warding is removed. rN and a finger slot is too weak for the neck slot. bloat must be annihilated

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>>172968720
>interesting and flavorful item

oh you better believe that's a removin

>>172968554
Kikecutebooty.

>>172969764
POST PIC
YOU KNOW THE ONE

>>172955068
Staff of Death is significantly more powerful than merely pain

>>172968720
Or the devs coud like

Buff it

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whoa this is pretty sexy

>>172971916
staff of death is significantly less powerful than pain brand on a weapon that doesn't have 5 base damage

>>172970728
Am I going crazy or coul I have seen a loss edit of this?

>>172972048
Pain is additive, like electrocution. In addition, Staff of Death scales much higher much faster than pain does. Let me pull out the numbers.
Pain brand inflicts 1d(necromancy skill) extra damage on necro out of necro+1 successful hits
Staff of death does (2*evoc + magic skill)/30 chance of getting 1d(1.25*(magic skill + evoc/2))-1 extra damage
Staff of death has bigger numbers.

>>172974480
>still comparing brand vs brand instead of total vs total
staff of death has 5 base damage
other weapons have more
do you comprehend this concept
this is some next level idea fixe lmao m80

>>172974739
Staff attacks at 0.5 min delay
Most other weapons attack much slower than this.

>>172974813
But you are also forgetting that it does negative energy damage, which is useless against the dangerous foes.

>>172974813
why do you insist on clinging to straws
and you even mock me by repeating my words?
0.7 mindelay weapons are 30% slower than 0.5 weapons yet most of them have far more than twice the base damage, eveningstars have three times as much
only if you're comparing to a dagger of pain your comparison is favorable, quickblades

why do you make it pain brand vs death brand instead of staff of death vs good weapons with pain
are you perhaps retarded

>>172975437
Yes, which is why you carry a lajatang with you as well.
>>172975480
Staff of Death ignores AC.

>>172949373
>senatorankhstrong, realizingwhyifist, perpetuityoftheankh, thegroundistoosoft
>tfw no more funny named accounts ever again
never ever :(

>>172975569
bringing resists into the picture isn't doing the case for using staff of death any favors, considering how cucked it is against anything with rN+
>not enjoying the pleasure of using a pain branded laj in the exceedingly rare scenario where you find a laj, have skilled staves, and skilled have necro
as expected of elemental staff fags, you'll warp reality to make your favorite build "work"

Guys chrome is giving me a warning. Should I download the latest release from devels or no?

>>172976254
No, you don't use a pain branded lajatang, you use a freezing or holy or vorpal or elec lajatang. Basically whatever you find. You already have pain brand from your staff of death.

>>172963721
>While preventing programs from running does make your system more secure, it probably makes it less useful.

Had a mild chuckle.
Also related: >>172976303

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I beat babbies first roguelike yesterday.

What's babbies second roguelike that I can move on to? I'm not sure I'm ready for an all ascii affair.

>>172976358
since when can mummies use holy brand?
is changing the variables of the hypothetical your favorite escape mechanism? obviously if you have every brand under the sun for your trained weapon at +9 you'll use which ever one is best, this has never been the argument you nigger loving kike. if you have the choice between a pain branded laj, (or really any other good weapon with pain long as you haven't trained staves already) vs a staff of death, it's going to be the pain branded weapon every single time

>>172976938
Poschengband

>>172976938
Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup.

>>172976949
Mummies can't use holy brand so they get cucked out of extended in this hypothetical scenario. But it's not like you want to do extended anyway.

>>172976938
Sword of the Stars: The Pit

>>172977151
Not a roguelike since it has meta unlocks

>>172977064
>Mummies can't use holy brand so they get cucked out of extended in this hypothetical scenario.
anon there is a real live human being that is playing a mune of kiku at this exact moment which is the root cause of this conversation, don't reduce him into a trifling hypothetical human

>>172977275
Yeah and he should be using a staff of death against things that don't resist negative energy, and using a lajatang or evoking feet against everything else.

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>>172977275
>don't reduce him into a trifling hypothetical human

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>>172977360
anon stop
please
why should he use the staff of death
there is no reason
why on earth should he make the staves and evoc skill commitment instead of just using pain brand on an actually good weapon
do you realize how good irresistible damage is
people have won entire games using it
especially now with pain ripostes, there is no reason to use anything other than long blades for flat damage brands

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>looting a church in DDA
>no religious books anywhere
>mfw I find a book of fairy tales and a fedora

>>172977049
Between Stone Soup, IVAN and Tales of MajEyal which is the easier to get a grip on?

>>172977706
>riposte
Oh shit nigger I forgot about that. Hmmm yes that is a tempting idea. But the skill cost!
I just looked up staff delay and it's the same speed as demon blade. Staff of death is still really good because it can't be resisted by AC and physical damage is, but it's not as good as I thought.

>>172977960
Play poschenbgand instead of any of those shit games and get gud.
But seriously don't play ToME or IVAN.

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>>172978070
hahahahaha i got you to admit you were wrong hahahahahaha i winnnnnnnnnnn

>>172977960
easy to hard
SS -> Ivan -> TomE
from worthwhile to trash
Tome ----------------------------------------------------------------------> Ivan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------->DCSS

>>172977960
DCSS.

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>>172978070
>Play poschenbgand instead of any of those shit games and get gud.

From worthwhile to trash
>>172978287 -------------------------> >>172978070 -------------------------> >>172978271

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------------------------->

^
<
v

>>172978070
>Play shit game instead of any of those shit games and get gud [sic].

<-------------------------> Lajatang of Pain

>>172978815
All games are shit, all that's left is elitism

))<--->((
Pooping back and forth forever.

>>172978271
>tome hard
um

>>172978815
That's not how you [sic], fuckholio.

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>>172978815
>[sic].
meme arrows already indicate quoting

>>172979126
It is because he kept the typo

>>172979254
buy it so you can throw it in the lava

>>172979165
I'm going to fucking kill you.

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>>172979254
Aaaand a funny fixedart just around the corner.
I really hope I don't lose this one to some stupid mistake.

>>172979498
Nnnope.

>>172979639
Have Hill giants truly survived the removal brigade or are you playing in an older version?

>>172979759
note the sphere los

>>172979807
Spooky.

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>>172979759
0.14.2

>>172979807
orthogonal bi-ellipsoid los*

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This is just like worshipping two gods.

>>172980108
i didnt understand a single word

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300odd exp penalty finally pays off.

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rawkits

>>172980589
circlelos isn't actually circular, it's shaped like a plus sign (+)

>>172972024
With no healing involved, it's a 25% increase in effective HP, which is the best in the game. When at 25% life, your healing is effectively doubled because the damage you take is halved.

IMO, Madevra should have Last Defense.

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>>172981801

>>172965923
DDA code is orders of magnitude better than PCB or Sil.

>>172981801
Nothing in existence is "actually" circular

So why do you guys play roguelikes if they're all shit.

>>172980824
too bad it no longer has +device power any more to go along with its +device skill

>>172982459
what about circular reasoning

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I am disappoint.

>>172982546
It's not perfectly circular either.

>>172972024
>>172982135
I can imagine it being very strong if paired with diehard.

self hate

>>172982606
Reason why acquirement was changed in R.

>>172981801
I'd say that it's a bit more circular than a plus sign you blind pseudo intellectual.

>>172982135
>>172982705
Yea. The only problem with it might be if you're already squishy to begin with, where you can get one-shot killed anyway when just above the threshold.

>Have car
>have mechanics to pimp it
>have makeshift welder and a trillion batteries
>can't find a hacksaw

CHRIST

>>172983257
Nothing intellectual or "pseudo" intellectual about my post. It's obvious to anyone with double digit or higher IQ that "circlelos" isn't actually circular, you brainless retard. Kys yourself

>>172983702
>people will fall for this bait

>>172983467
>having 49% hp is objectively inferior to having 25% hp
lmao so whacky

>>172983853
Only you, bud.

>>172983985
huh
the passive doesn't work if you're at 26% HP
and I'm going to assume that Ferret doesn't go through and recalculate each point of damage that will be applied for a single attack

>>172985012
You wouldn't need to recalculate every point, just everything before 25% and after 25%.

>>172983985
Only if you lose all your HP at once.

>>172984486
by responding to his post you imply desire to respond to bait, his post is an outlet for you to tell the world that you see the bait, but don't reply. this is not the true way, only by finding the middle way between replying and non-replying can you achieve enlightenment pass through the baitless bait.

Is there a game with Manhattan/taxicab los?
Rotated squarelos doesn't count because you still have only one way of reaching a given target.

>>172985402
Well basically I'm just saying that you shouldn't rely on it saving your ass if you can be oneshotted above 25%, for example by snuff out or something.

Why don't roguelikes just use octagrids so every direction is equal distance? The non-euclidean geometry can't be THAT bad, can it?

>>172985518
You failed, because you replied.
The golden middle is passively-aggressively acknowledging the bait without directly replying to the post or including the baitpost number in your post.

>>172985752
Terminal.

>>172985752
>octagrids
What

>The non-euclidean geometry can't be THAT bad, can it?
There is one meme rl that uses hyperbolic, but then it is full meme so I don't think it counts much.

>>172985752
Because everyone who isn't a mongoloid uses ascii interfaces and you can't really do that in ascii.

>>172985752
doesnt crawl have equal distance for every direction now

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>>172985931
It uses a grid composed of heptagons instead of octagons, so you can't use 8 directional movement.

A grid like this would be perfect for roguelikes.

>>172985806
>not taking the bait and running even further (farther) with it

>>172986212
how do you make rectangle shaped rooms with that grid

>>172985617
Dredmor

>>172986341
That's definitely not zen or golden middle, though.
Only through pseudo-replying you can achieve true smug faggotry.

>>172986187
In a way.
That's wonky if you think about things, though. Diagonal movement has same length as orthogonal, so squares areas are actually circle areas ( to reach rim takes same time from center, no matter the direction )
Actual circles would be some unholy shape, though. A star/diamond/plus of sort.

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>>172986118
i dunno what a "octogrid" is supposed to look like but why couldn't you morph/rotate/transform the grid after each movement? instead of just translating your line of sight in the 8 directions like most RLs do now

>>172986382
very carefully

>>172986212
It looks completely unreadable at large distance. Is it just this particular projection or is the exponential detail decrease inherent?

>>172986212
>sides change length
my head

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Pro tactical decisions.

>>172986382
Rectangles don't exist in most geometries.
And since real life geometry isn't truly euclidean but rather just almost-euclidean, rectangles are just an idealized mathematical structure.

>>172986212
WHY IS THE CENTER OCTAGON NOT ACTUALLY IN THE MIDDLE

>>172987071
everything in real life is always almost-something, forms are approximations of ideas

>>172986878
>>172987004
All of the octagons are identical to each other.

is this some dumb bullshit about lol the corners of your room arent actually perfect 90° angles

>>172985752
because then you wouldn't be able to play them using the arrow keys or the numpad, not without having to resort to some kind of shit+key or ctrl+key fuckery to differentiate directions

>>172987405
They aren't, they are scaled and scaled pretty hard.

>>172986687
I actually pseudo-intellectually thought about squarelos for a bit and even though the distance from center to any point on the edge is constant, moving diagonally moves half of your los circumference into new territory, while moving cardinally moves only a quarter of your los circumference, whereas with a real circle moving in any direction translates half of your los edge forward

>>172987551
>octagon
>8 directions
>8 keys

>>172987018
What'd you choose for the pre-manastorm levels? Combat transformation + tonberry? Ego whip?

>>172987616
non euclidean, they all have the exact same line length

>>172986714
I actually misread what that anon meant as "hex grids" for some reason. His thing is retarded anyway.

But if we assume he meant something like hex grids,
>why couldn't you morph/rotate/transform the grid after each movement?
Because the standard way of outputting ascii-based interfaces is through a terminal, which is inherently rectangular and doesn't support things like that. Unless I'm completely misunderstanding what you're trying to say.

The whole "issue" of diagonal movements not being the exact same distance isn't even a real problem anyway. Even if you think it is, the proper way of fixing it is by making diagonal movements cost more.

>>172987662
Ego whip and ddoor. I wanted to use combat transformation with the gold drac racial melee-stun, but it turns out you have to activate Dragon Strike so rip that.

>>172987459
It's more to do with reality being slightly fuzzy, what with the atoms not being real and electrons being quantum bullshit.

>>172987760
>Even if you think it is, the proper way of fixing it is by making diagonal movements cost more.
But that still doesnt fix the display!

>>172987892
>atoms not being real
quantum mysticism is forbidden in this thread
particles don't care if you look at them

>>172987908
halve vision in diagonal directions to account for light requiring twice as many turns to reach your eyes

>>172987908
Yes it does? If it takes 1.4 turns to move diagonally, and only 1 turn to move orthogonally (assuming your grid is square, and rounding off a bit) then your display of movement matches how long it takes to perform the movement.

>>172988145
Of course. Observation doesn't mean that. It means any meaningful interaction that you can obtain data from will alter something about the thing you just obtained data about.

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>>172987908
Fix what exactly?

>>172988519
observation literally (literally) means using light rays (particles) to look at other particles (light rays)

>>172988627
)@
DELET THIS

>>172988519
Why not send a controlled photon with known wavelength at a known angle in a vacuum and observe the thing, then you can calculate backwards before the thing hit the thing

>>172989381
Quantum. Where are you going to find such a photon?

>>172989503
my ass

>>172988885
can someone explain to a brainlet what's wrong with this

>>172989675
Your ass has immense value to science.

>>172989675
>the sun of science literally shines out of anon's ass

>>172989725
You only actually calculate pi if you chop the corners off and smooth it out.

>>172986118
You can do octagonal tiles in ascii it's just a bit awkward
I remember seeing a proof-of-concept image of a hex grid in an ascii console. Each tile was 2 characters wide though.

>MSVCRTD.lib(MSVCR100D.dll) : error LNK2005: _sprintf already defined in cmd5.obj
well im trying to merge pcb 6 but I dont understand the black magic of compilation

sprintf is not actually defined anywhere in PCB's source, so basically I have no fucking idea what's going on

>want to try a non Trog melee Octopode
>Gozag can be amazing but too fucking random
>Mak feels like something better left to end/extended
>Try Dith
>it's piss easy, can literally melee about everything with a short blade until I find statue form
Why didn't you tell me Dithmenos was so good

>>172990370
Try recompiling from clean state. Could be just objects getting messed up due to bad update.

>>172990837
Alright it's compling now.
I guess it really was black magic that was causing problems.

>>172955492

>elohim:god

Nope, that pic is shit, do not save.

That is like the most crude literal translation you could make of the term, its more akin to ''glory'' or something than persay a name for the guy.

>>172991674
You mean compiling to binary or in state of being compiled? Linking happens after compilation.

Problems like this generally happen when the compiler fails to detect a file has changed and needs rebuilding. Pretty common thing.

>>172991864
As in yes, it is successfully producing a binary which I can run

>>172991708
Isn't adonai more "teacher" as well?

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>>172991708
>persay

>complain about language
>fuck up this hard in own post

can someone explain to me what the postures are? Just hit 25. Playing a monk in poschengband

>>172993153
Re-worded buffs that you can change depending on your situation. The black shell one or whatever you got is for defense. Off the top of my head you get a Tiger and Dragon one too.

>>172993153
Poorly documented buffs. IIRC they're all kind of shit.

>>172993153
They give you a combination of bonuses and penalties.

Mostly useless, I think. I guess the turtle one is okay early on for reflection.

>>172993232
>>172993489
>>172993516
thanks. why is there no way to check what the postures do? the "browse" option is broken

>>172993153
off the top of my head:
black tortoise gives reflection and some kind of defensive bonus but fucks your damage
white tiger gives a minor buff to your damage but fucks your ac and gives vulnerability to AcElFiCo
blue dragon gives resistance to AcElFiCo but fucks your damage
red phoenix gives +10 speed but fucks your damage

>>172979161
Maybe he was being retarded on purpose?

>>172979161
What is the most you can do to overquote something?

>"quote" [sic]

>>172994406
What kind of retard would be purposefully retarded? That's retarded

>>172979161
I thought "[sic]" indicated that the preceding grammatical error was found in and directly quoted from the source.

>>172952789
Pseudoelliposchengband updated to 6.0.2
Play it and tell me all about the horrifying bugs i somehow introduced through poor merging
https://github.com/GenericPseudonym/pseudoelliposchengband/

>>172995103
it is, therefore "sic" is only used when it's not clear that a given sentence is a quotation. if it's made clear that it's a quotation, it goes without saying that any errors aren't the writer's fault

>>172995196
Does the no-selling birth option still make money-drops larger? An anon last thread said it didn't anymore.

>>172995305
>therefore "sic" is only used when it's not clear that a given sentence is a quotation
no, you are dumb and wrong
sic is used in something that is already obviously a quote to say "this mistake is from the guy i am quoting, I didn't make a typo or misspell something while transcribing it"

>>172995443
It does not and hasn't for several versions.

Actually it looks like the no-selling option doesn't work at all at the moment, except for the Alchemy spell.

>>172995476
read my post again
you're retarded

>>172995586
But why? Is it because it was turned into default? Please say it was turned into default.

>>172995601
>read [sic] my post again [sic]
>you're [sic] retarded [sic]

The guy obviously did a rephrasing and not a quote in the first place

>>172995718
I think it was back in version 4 or 5.00 maybe? Chris increased normal gold drops by a lot but also changed no_selling to no longer increase gold gained.

Is there a point in increasing Stealth on Crawl past the maximum pip value?

>>172995843
Stop sicposting

>>172995854
So then the [sic] was ok in the first place, according to the guy that says it's not used for quotes

>>172995305
>if it's made clear that it's a quotation, it goes without saying that any errors aren't the writer's fault
it doesn't though
that's the whole reason (sic) exists
especially because quotes are not always just copy-pasting text on an anime imageboard
you may be be transcribing spoken words from a speech, or quoting from a physical book or newspaper which you couldn't just copy-paste from and so had actually write/type the words yourself (introducing the possibility for typos or misspellings)

>>172996412
yeah what i meant was, if it's clear that you copy pasted it, then there's no need to add sic like a faggot

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>>172994983
To be ironic.

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The babble strikes again!

>minding my own business
>somebody summons Yig and an assload of misc stuff
>tele
>tele destination is a few spaces away from the wandering babble
>destruct
>babble doubleturns me to 200
>tele
>land back near Yig

Just another day in PCBland.

>>172995196
Im not nearly far enough down the morbidly self-indulgent rabbit-hole of ascii supremicism to get into that mess, im just here for DCSS and demon discussion.

>>172996896
That's what teleLevel is for.

>>172996896
this is why you carry foolproof emergency options like ?telelevel or ?destruct instead of relying on ?tele or _destruct
enemies are 10-20x more likely to resist staff of destruction than the scroll

>>172997146
>>172997174
If I've said it once, I've said it a million times. I'm not going to spend a slot on an item that will get used on average 0.15 times per winning game.

>>172997704
How many times now have you died because you didn't have ?telelevel or ?destruct

>play incursion
>get down to 70m on nightmare mode
>find a glowing thirsty +5 scythe of balance
>learn that scythes are hilariously good: 2d6 vs small & medium, 4x damage on crit, and a threat range from 18-20 is no joke
>pile up a bunch of bonuses, get the threat range down to 14 for humanoids
>zooming around on a nighthunter, ambushing enemies via my personal fogbank, lifesight, and wall-phasing
>critting ~30% of the time, doing 120-150 per hit
>go down to 80m
>error reports keep popping up, try to get to stairs in hopes of them stopping on the next floor
>game crashes
>restore from the last save, try again
>can't even go down to 70m without the game crashing when attempting to load the level
>probably gonna have to start over, sans nightmare mode (and all the powerful loot/free EXP it spawns)
I am not mad, merely disappointed. Incursion could have been so much more than it is.

>>172997928
Wow that sounds amazing
Is Incursion the most complex/highest headroom roguelike out there? Is it fun?

>>172997824
I don't know, how many hundreds of artifacts would I have been forced to leave in vaults just because a slot was taken up for something I hadn't used in the past 80 hours of play?

>>172998592
How many artifacts will that character be picking up now?

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>>172997928
I used to play incursion at an embarrassing amount when I first started getting into rougelikes roud 3 years ago, but it was buggy as fuck and borderline punished you for dying by having like 45+ minutes of character creation if you tend to plan that shit very carefully like I do. It is a prime example of a game that has an overly-ambitious devoper who lacks time/ample talent that other rl devs like toady or the dcss team does.

Really hurts because it DOES have potential, but lacked the love and care other big projects do.

>>172998676
What I'm trying to tell you is that, like ?destruct, !resistance, and a zillion other items (looking at you, clarity rods), !tele level is an ultra-feelbad "practically never going to use it" item that makes the game less fun when you carry it around because you're that much more limited when it comes to picking up actually useful, good stuff. "Aw shucks, if only I'd had this ultra-specific use item for this ultra-rare situation" is not a good enough excuse to carry an item around.

>>172998256
>Is Incursion the most complex/highest headroom roguelike out there
In terms of combat options+item/NPC interactions, it's up there, but I don't think it's the most complex.

Something I did learn from that game: if you manage to recruit NPCs, you can pay them to cast spells on/for you. Not very many, but reliable Cure Disease usually requires a lot more investment than a just gold.

Also, it reaffirmed that high Luck is ridiculous. Started with 17, got it to 22, and it really paid off. 10/10 would recommend: >180000 gold, >30 spare ID scrolls, >40 Healing potions, ~20 Dimension Door potions, 18 Extra-Healing potions, 4 tomes, some really powerful wands/weapons/rings, etc. by the time the game broke. I didn't even explore 25% of floors 3-6
>Is it fun?
Yes. I'd suggest starting with a class that allows/provides sleep-safety though: coup de gras is brutal, and with a companion or compensating spell, sleeping is dangerous.
>>172998701
>borderline punished you for dying by having like 45+ minutes of character creation
>if you tend to plan that shit very carefully like I do
Anon, you know you can just reincarnate a character and have everything but their mana/HP rolls back, right? Also, how on earth does it take you 45+ minutes to chargen? Do you plot out all the feats you want in advance, but only play humans? There's not a lot to do in chargen: race, class, stats, 1-3 feats, then you're playing the game.

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yeah this seems like easy mode so far. where should I go next? I don't get this far very often. still new to poschengband.

>>172999863
just drop all your phase door scrolls to make room and then recall home

>>173000005
>dog race

>>172999957
Labyrinth southwest of Morivant if you haven't already done it

>>173000225
The only race I lack for the achievement.

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I'm getting mixed message here.

>>172999957
Assuming you've also done Stronghold, Labyrinth is a good place to go (and super easy to dive if you have detection and some way to tunnel). I often go down Angband through D24 or wherever the quest level is. Camelot is also an option, which I feel has better loot, but the later named knights are kind of tough, especially if they summon.

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What I wouldn't give for a mass banishment scroll right now.

Will destruction trash all the artifacts in the vault?

>>173001003
Yep. you can try and make some progress from the opposite end too.

Or you COULD try to draw out some of those enemies and destruct them in a more open area, but I feel like a lot could go wrong with that strategy

>>172997928
I think I've heard that nightmare mode always crashes incursion at the lower depths

probably has to do with the way it increases difficulty by increasing the effective depth. I guess it starts getting crashy when it gets to depths that don't exist in a normal-difficulty game?

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>>173001003
Nevermind. Fatfingered my staff and blew up the vault anyway.

>>172999863
>ultra-specific
it isn't ultra-specific
it has the very broad use of "saves your fucking life 100% of the time" unless you fail to read the scroll lmao
it doesn't get used much because, if you're playing carefully, you shouldn't NEED lifesaving very often
but in roguelikes you are supposed to plan for the worst case, not the best case

>>172999905
if you are new to the game a lot of that time is probably spent reading the descriptions for all the feats etc

>>173002504
>If you want to win, you should do this thing that makes the game less fun

But I'm not playing DCSS. I'm playing PCB.

>>173002942
Shut up one day i WILL use this vuln + fear combo

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>>173002942
true, the purpose of video games is to have fun
but if your day is ruined and you become unable to funhave just because you are carrying a specific item in your inventory, you are a very strange person and i dont think i can do anything to help you

>>173003072
I've actually made good use of vuln+fear
And noise/lightning to break mesmerization
And whatever other nethacky interactions that have probably been removed

also if you really absolutely MUST autismally hoard every single artifact in your museum: just carry small stacks of consumables and drop them when you need to carry more shitty randart whips

>>173003328
There has to be a line drawn somewhere on "This is a mandatory, must-carry item," and I draw that line on !tele level. The slot game is ridic enough as it is (even worse if you play with easy ID/lore off like a psychopath).

>>173003448
>he's never been carried by Bolshoi
I pity you

>>173004653
post youre inventory
i wanna see which items you carry around

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>>173005032
no, I want neither your "advice" nor your "critique." I fully admit that not carrying tele level is suboptimal play. But optimal play does not necessarily correspond to entertaining play.

>>173005645
Were asking from advice from you, not the other way around. Please post it, I won't comment on it

>>172968591

meme healing

>all amberites are immune to teleport

fucking why

>>173006080
Look at some of the pro setups on the ladder, they're all fairly similar unless they have to kill the Serpent with wands.

for instance:
http://angband.oook.cz/ladder-show.php?id=20205

>>173006349
Amberites have a thematic control of their location that comes from the books. The alternative was following teleports.

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>sacrifice Actaeon to make a well fed alma
>it gets bright blood
Good Lord. I gave it malleable too, got nightingale, and DAMN does it heal quickly when dismissed.

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>Octopode
>literally everything but Extended done
>still no Statue Form
t-thanks mr xom

>>173006876
g) 23 Scrolls of Teleport Level {!r}

>>173007549
kek

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nooow I remember!

>>173007549
Disposed of.

>>173007549
>autistic people playing autistically

what are you trying to prove, pal? If you start to look up to the likes of elliptic and clouded as beacons to emulate, you might as well go to Gensokyo already. Much better to play like Hugo and actually enjoy your life.

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>>172999905
I tend to try every angle I can in a rougelike until I hit my personal sweetspot, smartass. Plus every race, class, feat and caster archetype option had a small essay of what it was and flavor text to spare so dont just assume I waste 45 minutes playing every flavor of human before I die like a basic ass bitch. A game with such an amazing range of starting options deserves to have them explored.

>>173012507
>Angle
You playing as a mathemagician in dredmor?

>>173012663
no, an Archon in PCB

>>173013314
POWER OVERWHELMING

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>>173012507

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>>173014069

>>173014232
>The helpless tummy fails to defend itself!

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>>173014232

That's not where I thought that was going.

>DCSS
>The rat is larger than a normal rat. It can hurt you but it won't kill you with ease.

>Angband
>The rat is larger than a normal rat. It also reproduces absurdly fast. They might kill you if you're still weak.

>Demon
>The rat is larger than a normal rat, and it is on fire. It can claw and burn you at the same time.

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>>173014069
>>173014232
>>173014380
>>173014512
This was bad, do not try again without a much better idea

>>173014808
>Nethack
>"Rats are in the walls!" t. Lovecraft. Rat is a rodent.

>DDA
>The rat dodges like a ninja on meth.

>>173014808
It's a demon rat

what do you guys think the best roguelike is i want shit to play

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I tried.

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>>173014816
bully me again

>>173015332
Lacks a joke
>>173015231
DCSS
It is the best one by the only objective measure used here: player count.
Everything else is opinions vs opinions.

>>173015436
>DCSS
thanks ill try it out i only really played unreal world to satiate my autism but it has no end game

>>173014808
>DDA
>The rat is in a quantum superposition and cannot be hit by anything

>>172823381
em.slashem.me

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PCB brands work on innate monster attacks y/n?

>>173017552
they do not

i was extremely disappointed when i played a draconian monk of craft and took metamorphosis
the weaponmastery spell doesn't work on innate attacks either, although diceboosts from gear like rings of power still work

>>172997928
HAHAHAHA
I TOLD YOU
I TOLD YOU NIGHTMARE WAS BUGGED BUT YOU PLAYED IT ANYWAY
FEEL THE DISAPPOINTMENT

>>173000005
Fucking snorg staircamping and empty level with a beehive and the lair entrance
Such a bullshit level