/shmupg/ - Shoot 'em Up General

>>171928398
actual last thread

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Casper is the best Deathsmiles girl, by far.

>>172713592
Decently comfy. Will fall asleep soon.

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3rd for tuna sashimi

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Talk about something, stay alive, I'm going to sleep

someone give me a rundown of refrain

>>172720313
everyone i've seen play it has said it is fun but easy unless played on the hardest difficulty

good night shmupg try not to die

Shumps

What are you practicing?

>>172723318
Inserting additional credits

>>172723318
Still trying to decide if I want to go for 1cc Danmaku Unlimited 2, Blue Revolver or eXceed 3rd.

>>172725912
>Still trying to decide if I want to go for 1cc Danmaku Unlimited 2, Blue Revolver or eXceed 3rd.

What's to decide? start with any as you could achieve all 3 in a week.

shoot the core

>hipsters and waifufags
kys stgays

>>172723318
vulkaiser with drill only and trying to figure out scoring in battle traverse, both on normal, so shouldn't take a lot of time. probably will do all-star no-miss in satazius afterwards on normal.

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You're gonna get that clear, anon

>>172735490
no, i'm shit

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Comfy mode disengaged. Time to return to the uncomfy world of being anywhere but in my bed.

How are you doing, /shmupg/? Lively as ever, I see.

>>172739080
I havn't been able to sleep properly in a while and because of that I havn't been able o shmup properly.

Is this what it feels like to be impotent?

Return shot mode actually makes Alltynex 2nd stages not that dull

http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=59703

>doj greatest shmup of all time
rly makes me think

>>172735490
is mao mao a man?

>>172745859
>Darius Burst is shit

>>172749730
fucking lmao at the characters sprites, looks like something from 95, can you at least blur them?

>>172745859
I hope this will make more people play it

>>172750686
sprites from 95 would look better than this to be desu with you

>>172749730
I like how desusniffers looks. Well except for arcade mode, that looks like crap compared to normal.

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>>172750686
I don't have a screenshot of it but there is some sort of smoothness filter you can use, so I assume you can.

>>172753218
Sprites aren't great but I guess they're passable. Environments and background look good at least.

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>>172750858
yeah, this is gbc level sprites

>>172750616
>Darius Burst is shit
i mean it ranked

>>172726905
Maybe not so soon unfortunately. At best I have maybe an hour every other day to play shmups for the next 4-5 months. So whatever I pick is going to be "it" for quite some time. I am not interested in scoring in any of them and will pick a game for that after I am free to dedicate more time to it later in the year. For now I just want to decide which of those 3 to slowly work on clearing.

What is CAVE's magnum opus?

>>172760585
their VR game

>>172760632
Is this for real? I've looked the video up and can't tell if it's a joke

>>172760585
Selling piss bottles of underage girls.

>>172760632
>>172761120
What's their best vertical scrolling bullet hell shoot 'em up game?

>>172760585
futari ofc

>>172761235
Anything but Ketsui is pretty much trash.
Honestly, cave is so fucking overrated by all the animu tards.

>>172761385
this

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>>172761235
Tough call. A lot of people would say DOJ, Mushi Futari, or Ketsui.

>>172761235
All their stuff is so far ahead of everyone else that it's hard to say. Even their worst game is 100x better than anything by say Psikyo, MOSS, Treasure, Raizing, or Taito.

Cave is only so popular because they appeal to otakus with no life.

They are the equivalent of Kyo Ani animes. Only popular because they appeal to waifu drooling no-lives.

>>172761385
shit opinion
Ketsui is great but there's no reason it would be their only good game, expacially when it shares tons of similarities with games like Esprade or DOJ

also the animu argument is invalid and dad-tier at best. 99.9 % of shmup production is 'animu'

>>172763353
>99.9 % of shmup production is 'animu'
Yea sure, look at the waifus in Gradius and R-Type!

>>172763353
>also the animu argument is invalid and dad-tier
it's a really weird one that seems to come from extremely self conscious and insecure otakus and dads that care if their """""""friends"""""" see them playing games with japanese art styles . cave in particular is pretty low-tier on the waifu stuff. take mushi for example, there is what a random shot of reco the main character on screen for a few seconds between each stage. further more, why would anyone be surprised that japanese games use japanese art style? it's not like they're going to throw western art in there for no reason.

>>172764307
>it's not like they're going to throw western art in there for no reason
Cheap otaku pandering waifu or fujoshi "art" is not the only kind of japanese art, you know.
Japan has all kinds of art styles, but Cave panders to the lowest denominator, that's why they are so popular.

And it's not just the waifus or gays in their games, it's the whole picture. Their whole design is not that great. Games like Battle Garegga, Strikers 3, or Under Defeat have way better art styles. Not fucking dinosaur boss enemies, throwing marshmallows around LMAO.

>>172765182
>throwing marshmallows
this is one of the things that makes their games so much better than all the games you named, especially garegga.

>>172764307
Japanese don't necessarily like anime. If you mention liking anime in the wrong Japanese crowd you'll be called an otaku, unkindly. They're more accepting of being neutral about it though.

>>172765182
>Games like Battle Garegga, Strikers 3, or Under Defeat have way better art styles
If you think grey and brown makes for good art then maybe

>>172766293
t. pillow hugging faggot whos favorite color is pink

>>172766394
>my tastes goofy cartoonish bullets that stick out like a sore thumb are superior to yours

>>172766742
Cave bullets are fucking retarded.
>pink marshmallows
>giant sprites with tiny hitboxes
>covering the whole screen
It's dumb game design. The game just looks ugly if the whole screen is just full of bullets, especially when they are so ugly as cave bullets. It's like an edgy high schooler designed this shit.

>>172767113
>It's like an edgy high schooler designed this shit.
yeah this is exactly how strikers, garegga, etc look. all brown and green boring an drab. extremely poorly designed. it's like they took an art book from a hot topic shelf.

>>172767113
>maximizing bullet visibility in a shmup is dumb game design
wew lad

>>172767393
They should be the speed of and have the visibility of real bullets.

>>172767273
>if the game isn't garish and flashy including all of the rainbow colors for my supreme fag tastes, it means it only has 2 colors
What you are talking about is actual color themes. cave doesn't have stuff like this. They just throw as many colors as possible in their games.

My one beef with Esprade is the lack of full auto.

>>172767393
The actual hitbox in cave games is always completely different than their sprites. They have shit bullet visibility.

>>172767559
i mean if you like hot topic dude it's ok to buy your clothes there

>>172767753
Yes since the sprites are bigger than the hitboxes you're allowed more room for error and they can make each individual bullet more visible without increasing the difficulty, it's fantastic design. A more extreme version of something that's done in every single well made game under the sun, which fits perfectly because the gameplay itself depends more on positioning and quickly reading cluttered visuals.

>>172767559
Cave don't have clear colour themes? lmao you're a fucking retard aren't you bud

>>172768392
All it does is just cluttering the screen and hiding their ugly backgrounds.
You often can't be sure if you actually can make a dodge, because you always have to guess were the actual hitbox is.

It's dumb game design merely there to impress dumbfucks by making the game more flashy.

>>172768815
>You often can't be sure if you actually can make a dodge, because you always have to guess were the actual hitbox is.
Unless you're playing mushi ultra you can just dodge the bullets not the hitboxes you dummy

>>172769065
And when you are not dodging a sprite a correctly, you think you fucked up, although you actually didn't, making you colliding with a hitbox in the first place.

When you think you are about to collide with a bullet, then you quickly try to get away from it. This often make you run into other bullets then.

>>172769453
>And when you are not dodging a sprite a correctly, you think you fucked up, although you actually didn't, making you colliding with a hitbox in the first place.
As opposed to just getting hit and dying either way in the case of 1:1 ratio? What a dumb argument.

/shmupg/ - art design and eye tricks.

>>172745859
>danmaku trash filling the top ten
Cretins.

>>172769685
Better than gossip and waifu posting

>>172769576
No, as opposed to having bullets with a regular size actually, and not huge marshmallows covering the screen.

In Strikers for example you always know exactly if you can make a dodge or not. In Cave games it often looks as if you actually should have died, which can completely fuck with your playstyle, making you use bombs when you actually don't need them, etc

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>>172769843
Works for me, this time. Even I've nearly gotten tired of having to bump the thread so much these past couple of days.

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>>172769843
>IMAO ur taste is so fucking bad fucking kek LOL
>better than anything

>>172769891
>In Strikers for example you always know exactly if you can make a dodge or not.
That's false though, the hitbox is still smaller there, and your ship hitbox is too. There are still plenty of moments in it where a bullet flew right past my sprite despite me thinking I was gonna get hit. Not to mention it's a game with faster, less dense and retarded patterns so it can get away with worse visibility.

>>172770149
Of course the ship hitbox is smaller, but the bullets are actually pretty accurate.

I am also not saying that hitboxes should be exactly the same size as the sprite, that would be just stupid, but Cave just makes their sprites tooo huge.

>>172770420
Only in ketsui

>>172770149
Also, if a sprite is huger does not mean the hitbox has better visibility.
If your ship sprite is massive, but the hitbox is just a pixel, it makes it much harder to see where you actually are without constantly looking exactly at the hitbox.
And that's exactly how cave games are. they have MASSIVE sprites, with tiny little hitboxes, which is just retarded.

>>172770621
Every fucking cave game has HUGE ship sprites (also including their options of course) and tiny pixel hitboxes.

>>172770819
>Also, if a sprite is huger does not mean the hitbox has better visibility.
No, but it does mean the bullets as an object have a better visibility which is what matters outside of the hardest parts of their hardest games. This only ever becomes a problem when you are forced to dodge bullet hitboxes without having any information about where their hitbox is, or knowing where your sprite is, and can be fixed by making the colouring of the bullets give away their hitbox while preserving all the benefits of having big bullet sprites of which there are many.

>>172771362
>it does mean the bullets as an object have a better visibility
No, it does mean the bullets just get covered by their sprites. This makes it often impossible to know how much room you actually have without knowing exactly where every hitbox of every bullet type actually is.

It's the same retarded shit as in fighting games, where you think you actually have a safe distance, although the hitbox of your enemy is much bigger than it looks, just the other way around.

>>172771113
Thought we were talking about bullets? Not showing the ship hitbox in games like that is always stupid.

>>172772270
I was talking about cave in general. And their ship hitbox philosophy reflects their bullet hitboxes.
The ship hitboxes are just as retarded. Huge sprites, with a pixel hitbox. It's not making anything more visible, it only makes it harder to know where you actually are. The same goes for the bullets. it only makes it harder to know where the actually hitboxes are.

>>172772174
The fact that it's the other way around is exactly what makes it ok because you can just dodge the sprites instead of the hitboxes. Complaining about patterns not being balanced around dodging the sprites themselves is a completely seperate issue which I also don't like but antagonizing big bullets with small hitboxes in a blanket way is fuckin silly especially since you will then go on to defend games that do the exact same thing except to slightly a lesser extent

>>172772627
>Huge sprites
they're really not abnormally large

>>172772627
>It's not making anything more visible
It is making both the player object and the bullet objects more visible which is information you can use to dodge reliably in most cases. Do you have even the slightest idea of what the games would be like if the sprites were as small as the hitboxes?

>>172772882
>you can just dodge the sprites instead of the hitboxes
That's not how these games were designed. The patterns are so dense that you must know the actual hitboxes.
If for example a blanket of bullets come at you, and it actually looks like you can't dodge through them, then this is not helping you by making the blanket more visible. It only fucks your run over, because you try to dodge the shit otherwise, by hiding in a corner or whatever, making you die in the first place, when you actually easily could have passed between the bullets. But there is no way to know this, since you don't know the actual hitbox of the bullets.

>>172773167
Of course they are. cave sprites are disgustingly huge and out of proportion to their hitboxes.

>>172773421
>That's not how these games were designed
It is until they went full retard with micrododging in games like Mushi Futari. Also even then they have big enough gaps in them to show you that you can pass through them, you're talking shit.

>>172773381
>It is making both the player object and the bullet objects more visible
LMFAO. The ship hitboxes in cave games are merely a fucking pixel, while the sprite is 50 times as huge. All this does is merely confusing the player about where the actual hitbox is. It makes it much harder to see your hitbox from the corner of your eye. The same goes for the bullets. All it does is just confusing the player.

And again, dipshit, I never said sprites should have the same size as hitboxes. I just say that cave makes them too huge compared to the size of the hitboxes.

>>172773931
You don't need to see the hitbox you absolute mong, you need to see the actual bullet.
>I never said sprites should have the same size as hitboxes
Why? It makes it confusing for the players who according to you need perfect information about bullet hitboxes rofl

>>172774137
>You don't need to see the hitbox
Of course you need to see the hitbox you fucking retard.

> It makes it confusing for the players who according to you need perfect information about bullet hitboxes rofl
Only retards can merely think in black and white. There also is a middle ground you know, with actual balance.

>>172774395
Riddle me this, you dumb shit, why do you need that balance?

>>172773671
So you want the sprite to be minuscule instead? Being able to see the sprite makes it easier to read patterns in relation to your location.

>>172774681
He wants them to be a little bit smaller than they are now because of his preferences. That's really the core of his argument lol.

>>172774681
>So you want the sprite to be minuscule instead?
No, I prefer normal sized sprites with normal sized hitboxes.
Cave has huge sprites with tiny pixel hitboxes, which is beyond stupid.

>>172775065
Name a bullet hell game with patterns as dense as the cave ones you're complaining about with sprite/hitbox ratios you're fine with

>>172775065
The ship sprites are fine and pretty normal, I think. They're not especially bigger or smaller compared to other shmups.
The bullets may be retardedly huge, but retardation is an inherent part of CAVE game design anyway. The sprite size is their smallest issue.

>>172775232
Where did I ever said I want dense patterns? Cave bullet density is also beyond retardation.
I prefer games where the backgrounds are actually still visible. You know 70% of the actual art design in a shmup...

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Want to see real hitbox magic? Check out Ikaruga. You can fit between those crates.

>>172775065
>>172775619
So you want a game where your hitbox is the size of your ship and the bullet density is low. And you're getting your panties in a twist over Cave? Lmao go play a game that isn't made by a dev specifically praised for all the attributes you dislike.

>>172776004
>You can fit between those crates.
In contrary to cave this plays no role for the average player though.
It only plays a role for playing the game on dot eater, which probably is the reason the boxes were designed like that in the first place.

>>172776357
>In contrary to cave this plays no role for the average player though.
Well no shit, the average player credit feeds through each game a single time so the hitbox size/bullet density don't matter at all.

>>172776491
Good job at completely ignoring my post and taking things out of context.
I said this only plays a role for playing as dot eater.

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>ketsui
>zako rush after stage 2 midboss
>be still at the bottom of the screen for 0.5 secs at the end of it
>get hit by one of them while holding down shot button
now this is the definition of rng bullshit

>STG weekly
more like STG monthly

>>172781741
lmao they still didn't do their episode 100 special that was slated for like fall of last year. there are so many games they could cover but they don't do anything. turns out the deep dark secret of the stg community is that no one actually plays the games.

>>172783240
Dead genre, dead channel

If Larsa is mad at Reco for killing her son, why does she try to kill Palm?

>>172781741
>>172783240
>>172783681

If you could run STGweekly how would you do it, /shmupg/? What kind of schedule and what games? Any new "programs" that focus on very specific things, etc?

>>172783868
i want see more old console shmups

>>172783868
Talk about specific design parts of shmups, like a episode dedicated to OST's.

>>172783868
turn it into esports mixed with soap operas, do weekly running storylines about high stakes spirit of competition

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>>172783868
>What kind of schedule
Weekly, or at least monthly.

>what games
There are a lot to choose from. I would say "newer" games that have "recently" been released on Steam including individual modes like DFK BL. This includes doujin releases.

>Any new "programs" that focus on very specific things, etc?
Aside from the usual, live scoring competitions or record attempts would be entertaining. Often scoring is brushed over but more detailed episodes on scoring mechanics would be cool. For example, for Deathsmiles you could talk about specific enemies you should target with which attacks, how to perform a recharge, etc. Almost like a video FAQ I guess.

>>172783868
I'm can't say that "I can run it better" but there's a lot of potential material

In-depth design analysis as >>172784505 said could be a thing
Review bad/obscure shmups because why not?
Interview more players (do a non-meme interview with Johnson because why not, first interview happened that way it was because of incompetence of the reporter)
Host some shitty events, maybe a leaderboard. Those can have symbolic prizes too (like a free copy of a game or something).

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>>172783868
>Any new "programs" that focus on very specific things, etc?
"how to get good at stg"-episodes, for noobs like me
would be nice

Why is restartsyndrome so slow and ugly

>>172783779
Because he's on Reco's side, defends she didn't do wrong.

>>172786415
go on twingalaxies

>>172787056
t. Walter Day

I just want to tick off my kusoclears and that's all

>>172783868
Detailed score route breakdowns by the player that created the route.

>>172787263
make a google doc for managing kusoclears

I finally 1cc'd mushihimesama original yesterday. Feels amazing, thanks /shmupg/ I couldn't have done it without you :)

>>172792194
congrats, what's next?

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>>172792194
Congraulations!

>>172792547
>>172793167
Thanks! I have no idea what to play next. I want to play something harder but not much harder because I'm really bad and it took almost a year to get a kusoclear in mushi.

>>172793728
A year? What were the things that were most difficult?

>>172788609
That's what I've ended up doing

Though I really like the idea of online leaderboards that aren't overcrowded

>>172793728
You should step up to maniac at least

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>>172793728
>I want to play something harder
Well, Mushi Original is a 15 on the list.

>>172793946
I have a hard time with consistency. It took ages to be able to no miss the first 3 stages. At that point I probably should have focused on bomb spamming through the rest but I kept doing practice instead of runs after that.
>>172796385
Yeah I'm not sure how much harder I ought to go without getting on over my head. I might go for air gallet because that game is super cool.

>>172797675
>It took ages to be able to no miss the first 3 stages. At that point I probably should have focused on bomb spamming through the rest
I still have no idea how to dodge the 1-up section at all without bombing. There is no easy way to practice it on Steam either because you have to play through the level to get there in training.

>>172798396
I can do it consistently in practice but I always use a bomb in runs anyway.

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When in doubt, bomb out!

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>>172801682
Shut up, Windia.

>>172745859
>doj greatest shmup of all time
Nice, as it should be.

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>>172802858

>>172797675
Air Gallet isn't easy but with that persistency you'll clear it, good luck.

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Bump bump

good night shmupg

>>172809781
Yeah it's pretty hard for me, totally different from what I'm used to.

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I'll save you /shmupg/! But then I'm going to bed.

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Last bahmpu before bed~

Keep flying, /shmupg/

>>172828710

>>172745859
>through 2016
>only listed through 2015
>posted in 2017
dead farm

i want to kill myself

>>172834695
I think the one he just did is for 2016 and 2017 is still going on

>>172841753

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Who is the most fun character to play as?

>>172845880
I like Windia or Follett. Their familiars are both easy to control but I like Follett's lock shot more. Rosa is so OP it feels like cheating. Casper is tricky, I haven't put in the time to learn how to play as her yet.. Sakura I don't know much about. I tried MBL 1.1 the other day and it's fucking crazy. It's a totally different game.

>>172845880
i don't play animeshit games

>>172850607
There is a Deathsmiles anime? Where can I watch it?

bmup

>>172850607
but you would, if you was actually good at the non-animeshit games

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>>172847317
Ah, I see. I prefer the way Casper's and Rosa's familars control, where they stay put unless you hold down the shot button. That way I never feel like I'm going to accidentally move the familiar in a way I don't mean to when I'm just trying to maneuver the character. Also, Sakura's familiars control the same way as Windia and Follett's, but there's two of them that move as one.

>>172850607
Oh. Well alright.

>>172850646
That'd be cool. Hopefully. Then again, I thought a Senran Kagura anime would be cool too, but then it wasn't...

>>172856229
>familars
it's called options ffs

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>>172856343
The options are familiars, so what's the difference?

>>172856229
>Rosa
Rosa's lock shot is also weird.

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>>172856608
Ah, that's right. I forgot about that, I usually just hold the laser whenever I play as her.

Scoring with Rosa must be really rough. It took a long time for me to get used to using Casper's lock shot properly, so I can't imagine learning to use Rosa's.

>>172858948
I think Windia and Casper's are almost the same. Follett's is way better which is probably to make up for the fact that she sucks everywhere else.

>>172858948
Have you cleared MBL 1.1?

I'm really confused about scoring in Alltynex 2nd
I get the mechanics but I don't undersand how to apply it
Probably should watch some replays because I'm getting 30-40% less score than other people

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>>172859491
Poor Follett. At least she can say she's got high scoring potential.

>>172862853
On the Steam version, no. I've never really tried, although I have played Hades Castle in practice mode just to see what it's like. The missing slowdown makes it a lot harder, and then fighting Bloody Jitterbug on top of that really tough.

On the 360 version yeah, I cleared MBL 1.1 including the Bloody Jitterbug fight. I went through it for that 10 Billion points achievement, which apparently would've been a lot easier if I went through Ice Palace.

>>172863368
Are you milking the giant laser in stage 2? That part alone is like 3 million points.

>>172862853
>Have you cleared MBL 1.1?
I almost have on pirate steam version, pb of 56 bill with sakura.

Playing Dodonpachi, Is it just me or are Cave Shooters kinda boring until the boss fights?

Like don't get me wrong when it's full blown bullet hell it's amazing. But since your weapon spread is basically a 1/3rd of the screen there's no real aiming required.

And no I'm not upping the difficulty when the Bosses can still rape my ass.

>>172870180
>But since your weapon spread is basically a 1/3rd of the screen there's no real aiming required.
Type-C is for fags, real men use Type-A.

>>172870180
>And no I'm not upping the difficulty
DoDonPachi doesn't have difficulty options

>>172870180
"Aiming" in shmups is just positioning and Dodonpachi has plenty of that. Takes a while to pick up tho.

>>172837991
Then play Greg like me and so many others.

>>172866171
You mean the ships? No, I didn't know they keep spawning, I don't think I can get 3 mil from it but yeah it's probably 1-2 millions, thanks. There also seem to be destructible parts on the edge of the laser? But I don't think I can get more than a couple of those.

If my scoring was a little bit better, I would've cleared the game already, because I've gameovered a few of times on last boss with 11-12 mil and next extend seems to be at 13. Guess I'll practice more tomorrow.

>>172870180
just you

Also, I like how Zodiac boss in Alltynex 2nd has a dead zone where you can stay and avoid it's missile barrage completely while waving your sword (dead zones seem to be the theme of the game), but it's so close to the boss so your ship's model clips through the boss model.

>>172834695
people vote in late 2016 and the results are posted in early 2017, what's so complicated to get you smart ass

>>172850607
so you don't play shmup

>>172870180
early stages in 1st loops are always easy, git gud and get to 2nd loops
also play DOJ it's way better
also play for score
also don't play lame ass shot-types

>>172880598
chaining is boring

>>172884708
>DDP chaining is boring
FTFY
There are also shmups very fun chaining (CCWI, Ikaruga, Garegga to some extend).

>>172885250
Nope

>>172885250
>CCWI
lol
>Ikaruga
LOL!
>Garegga
Dad?

>>172885250
Fuck off Kraut, your opinion is very wrong.

>>172885403
>>172885595
>>172885620
cavedrones

>>172885250
>garegga chaining
>fun
>dropping it once and your entire run is basically ruined
boy sure is fun boss

>>172886215
It's only annoying when you drop it in stage 2. It's still much more forgiving than DDP.

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>>172886215
>dropping it once and your entire run is basically ruined

>chaining...that's shit though.

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twitch tv draconicimpulse
He just went live with Garegga~

>>172888139
>tfw you finish a stage in DDP and your boss chain has repeating digits

>>172888768
There is a mechanic in Strikers 3 where you need to get trips on the continue countdown and then you get extra power

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Posting Windia

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Bahmpu~

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>reading a thread about touhou on shmupforums
>only 2hu game they like is UFO
is it because it's a shit game that substitutes artificial difficulty in place of good design, like a CAVE shmup?

>>172899548
most of the people there don't play touhou, because it's shit. megapulse and chumlum take it seriously, look for their posts.

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does any one know good soundtracks, something about shmup music gets the super robot anime feel right

ive been listening these guys a lot
>Yasuhisa Watanabe (senko no ronde, border down)
> Yosui? (ginga force, eschantos)
>Hyper duel ost
>zuntata team (raystorm, darius, live stuff)
>sega sound team

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>>172902623
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tegfV-f4Q8&index=1&list=PLDuI8TlKaYQfLioEFiHnfBkysesG61ejA

my favorite shmup of all time actually.

>>172902623
>super robot
strania

>>172899548
>artificial difficulty
Go back to /v/ faggot

>>172888703
And it was super terrible!
Probably gonna switch over to Gain instead of Miyamoto.

>>172899548
>artificial difficulty
>complains about UFO
Pottery.

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>>172903606
>defending fake difficulty
go back to shmupforums where people pretend mushi futari is a good game, friend

>>172899548
t. MaZe, the shittiest, saltiest fag out of all of the touhou "superplayers"

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>>172903409
>google ost
>see G.rev logo
>know its good already

thanks anon

https://youtube.com/watch?v=wKJ8DndzoFU

>>172904235
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xqtw66GFULs

>>172904102
I'm not your friend pal

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Why do many people put gils on their covers when the games are actualy just about ships?

>>172904932
That's how they trick the low IQ touhou loving subhumans to cough up the dough

>>172904932
AI/Operator/Pilot/Captain or Commander of the ship you launch from/Person who needs saving/Hot enemy rival pilot, etc

Could be any number of reasons

>>172904932
>a game can't be about a girl pilot

>>172904932
girl cute sell game

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>>172904932
I'm pretty sure there's only one series that puts gils on the cover.

>>172794480
>Though I really like the idea of online leaderboards that aren't overcrowded
you call that overcrowded? barely anyone seriously plays shmups(or even arcade) in the west. got a kusoclear? welcum to top 5 on steam/farm/marp etc. only speedrunning(if we don't count multiplayer games) is what can be called overcrowded, there are more autists who bothered to beat bubsy 3d in 3 minutes than farmers who 1cc'ed garegga.

>>172907549
>welcum to top 5 on steam/farm/marp etc.
Not really, but it does depend on the game. The more popular ones have tons of clears on the Steam boards.

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>>172907536
This cover reminds me of the CCWI poster

>>172905032
But Touhou doesn't have girls on the cover. Only silhouettes.

>>172907965
Whatever man

>>172907753
>The more popular ones
ccwi on steam is international, isnt it? i'm talking about about west only, it's anything but overcrowded.

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>>172908026

>>172908251
>i'm talking about about west only
I don't know of any west only boards. Maybe small indie games? Cave releases are international too.

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>>172908251
>ccwi on steam is international
what did he mean by this?

>>172908447
only recent shmups have online boards to begin with. only big games like ccwi have competition, 99% are fucking dead.

>>172908842
>99% are fucking dead.
At the very top? Sure, but most players aren't competing for score at that level. I know some Japanese players that keep track of their own overall leaderboard for a popular Cave game. They specify whether or not the scores are from Steam, Xbox, or arcade.

>>172908842
>only recent shmups have online boards to begin with
Even JSS has leaderboards and it is not even close to a recent game.

i don't know why you people are so defensive, the game you are playing may have some competition in the west, but most have plenty of room for johnson.
>>172908547
anything on steam is international of course, but japs don't seem to use steam, they can just get a game on amazon, dlsite etc. ccwi is an exception for some reason.
>>172909258
>At the very top?
getting a kusoclear is now at the very top? garegga has very few clears on a farm.
>>172909939
>Release Date: 19 Sep, 2015

>>172910262
>ccwi is an exception for some reason
Ikaruga on steam also has many very good japanese players. Probably even more.

But yea, the genre is sadly not very popular in the west. Still hard to get a western record though, even for doujins.

>>172910262
>getting a kusoclear is now at the very top? garegga has very few clears on a farm.
I'm talking about Steam.

>Release Date: 19 Sep, 2015
That's not exactly new. CCWI came out about a year earlier and it has them. Hell Jamestown came out in 2011 and even it has them. Neither are recent.

>>172910262
>but japs don't seem to use steam
japs don't give a fuck about pc gaming period
they won't even be caught dead using something degenerate like MAME

>>172910262
>ccwi is an exception for some reason.
It isn't at all. There are Japanese players of just about every major release on Steam. A few months back someone posted a link to the DFK WR holder practicing with the Steam release.

>>172910842
>Still hard to get a western record though, even for doujins.
i could, in theory, beat kraut's satazius record, becouse he died at the boss rush and lost tons of points, kraut himself could've improved his score, but why bother if johnson didn't find out your game yet.

>>172911575
>i could, in theory, beat kraut's satazius record
ehm, i also could beat it, but so does anyone else
you can gladly try to beat it, would be nice having a reason to go back at the game

>>172911575
also my satazius score is not even a western record
i think some french guy has the western record with 200.000 points more or so, but i didnt really care

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western records are racist!

>>172913005
>western records
don't exist

I really need to buy a new controller to play ccwi again
this game completely destroyed my buttons

>>172913338
i tried to ignore my kusoscoring and surprisingly got to stage 5 with only one accidental death, and then i died two times in a row to some stupid shit, but it's really not that hard if scoring is almost totally ignored(no double breaking unless you are cornered for example).

>>172913861
i find the difficulty in ccwi increases enormously at the end of stage 5
at this point you easily can lose 4 lives

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Why don't you go clear a game today anon!

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>local dads on the farm bitching about people's opinions not being diverse enough because caveshit took up 28% of the annual top 25 results
>chum starts whining
>someone calls him out for being a little bitch and filling his ballot with 2hushit
>completely spergs out and throws a hissy fit because muh GFW scores literally no one gives half a shit about

>>172917559
becouse i don't play poojins on normal starting from yesterday

>>172917559
I'll do my best!

>>172917593
>forcing diversity in shmups
Those gayboys should just accept that cave is superior instead of being contrarian

>>172917593
>2hutards and dads in a tizzy about cave
maybe cave dominates the list because your favorite games are garbage LMAO

>>172917593
Why is it 2hu """""""""""players"""""""" get so defensive when there is even the slightest possible reference to CAVE? Is it because somewhere deep down in their demented minds even they know 2hu is shit?

>>172918063
What are you even talking about? Touhous are the biggest cavedrones. It's just that everyone in the west merely plays touhou or cave.

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>>172918163

>>172918063
2hu fags desperately want validation from their arcade overlords

>>172917559
I wish I was this talented to just cleared a game today.

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>>172918416
>no cost too great

>>172918534
You could pick something easy, no challenge is too small as long as you have fun overcoming it

>>172918586
I find them all hard. Even the shittiest shmup takes a lot of practice for me. Only exception would be doujins on normal, but that doesnt count.

>>172918650
>Only exception would be doujins on normal, but that doesnt count.
Go play Crimzon Clover on normal.

>>172918765
crimzon clover dojin version is easy
it's only arcade cc thats hard as fuck

>>172918765
I already did! It's a lot more forgiving than the arcade version.
Actually I was practicing Strikers 3 atm, but that game is really hard.

>>172911172
>they won't even be caught dead using something degenerate like MAME
And yet Garemame exists used by all the top garegga players over the years namely KET.

>>172920235
>all
>namely this one guy
lmao
need i remind you that the chinks agreed, mame is unacceptable

>>172920528
they probably also have arcades

>>172921006
the chinks have to work for 17 hours a day in the rice fields to earn enough money to play a few credits of dodonpachi
why don't they sit home and play on mame like a degenerate? because they value authenticity

>>172921656
>to earn enough money to play a few credits of dodonpachi
it was 1 penny in that artricle, doubt they have to work 17 hours for that.
>because they value authenticity
they value their hardcore gaymer circlejerk

>charge 1 penny to play arcade games
>guys our arcade is going out of business help
chink business sense ladies and gentlemen

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>>172917593
Is that you, KBR-CLP?

>>172917559
i've accidentally got to last level in punisher
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dScJk2MY5o

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>>172918539
>touhou niggers

>>172918063
> 2hu """""""""""players""""""""
>better achievements in arcadegames he plays casually than most arcade players
stay salty kusoplayer

>>172925772
the only salt i see are from local dad shits and 2hu babies

>>172924495
>clp
>ever arguing for the diversity meme

No.

wtf, I just looked at the thread and got none of the things I was promised?!

>>172928902
i think that post was a cavetard's butthurt over toehoetard.

local dad shits > local toho shits

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truthful post on /v/ for you nerds.

>>>/v/372687209

>>172918539
>shitty ugly knockoff candy cab that isn't an egret, blast, astro, neo 29, etc

nothing of value was lost

>>172931317
I hate when retards like that discredit the whole genetics argument by listing relatively easy achievements that anyone can achieve as impossible because "MUH GENETICS". (and being generally a tard)

>>172931843
>I hate when retards like that discredit the whole genetics argument by listing relatively easy achievements that anyone can achieve as impossible

they might be easy to people like you or me, but to the average normie or /v/tard? no way.

you have to understand, we are already sort of an elite group, even the people who only 1-ALL'd DDP- because the plurality of people interested in this genre are generally those with natural videogame skills

>>172907549
Ehh, Steam leaderboards are weird.

There's actually a lot of clears/scores on Normal. It's possible to get a kusoclear and not land in the top #200
Harder difficulties are often practically empty for some reason though.

>>172932438
I mean relatively easy in the sense that anyone that puts his mind to it can do them (maybe it will take a thousand hours but it's possible) unlike worldrecord scores, which can only be achieved by talented players.

>>172932748
you forgot cheaters

>>172931317
Jaimers is not the top western player that's bollocks, he's very very good and his objective is clearly high level clears but not high level scoring. Perikles and saucykobald deserve equally as much respect as gaymers if not more and top tier scoring a single game can potentially take longer and more investment than a ton of hard clears because of the potentially infinite ceiling.

>>172932438
>you have to understand, we are already sort of an elite group,
Wrong you just want this to be true because you're a cunt in reality we are the product of a really obvious circumstance that is what you do the most you tend to get good at (who woulda thunk huh?) we were all normies in skill when we started the only difference is we were motivated through interest which inevitably leads to improvement. News just in granny who likes knitting gets better at knitting, normie pleb grannies on suicide watch.

>>172933343
collect as many 1ccs as you can to become the best
score means shit

"high level" clears take 5% the time and effort of a high level score

>>172933343
>News just in granny who likes knitting gets better at knitting
this.

>>172931843
>>172932821
To be fair, you can apply "genetics" to ANY game this way, as long as there's a room for a challenge.

>>172932865
I guess? Cheaters always will be a thing and they will always poison the competition

I actually thought about making a something akin to steamrep for steam scoreboards (e.g. invalidate cross-board scores for people if they have not just high, but outright impossible scores), but it sounds a bit like a toxic masturbatory exercise. It's not hard to implement something like that, but it would still require some human input/analysis, which can only cause potential salt/drama. Plus I don't think anyone really cares about steam scoreboards.

>>172917593
>now Cee is chimping out as well
Gold.

>>172931843
>discredit the whole genetics argument
There is no argument, it's just a meme that has about as much intelligence behind it as the average /pol/ meme. Most of the fans of these games don't even play these games that much. It's just an excuse to make them feel better at why they aren't good. It happens to be a harmful meme because idiots on /v/ eat this shit up and then don't take the genre seriously because they believe "lol im just no good at shump xD" while having 0.5 hours of playtime.

>>172942704
t. never tried to get good

>>172942970
Precisely. If they ever put in the time or effort to get good they'd recognize it as the meme it is.

>>172943107
I'll post my >1k hours playtime when I get home.

>>172943325
Sounds like it isn't enough for your goal.

>>172943390
Except more talented players are achieving way more in less time because talent is all that matters and my pb is absolute dogshit.

>>172943594
I wonder what their total playtime of all shmups is, not just that one. I wonder what yours is too.

>>172884708
no it's fun but you'll never try so you'll never know

So, I haven't checked latest news for a long time. What is the next Cave's portage on steam ? Or should I ask, when are we supposed to know ? ;_;

SDOJ pls.

>>172932748
well i got a kusoscore in vulkaiser normal few days ago and landed on 4th place or something, could easily get to the second, first place would reqire a bit of effort if i cared about normal. same for all astro port games i've played, landing in top 10 is easy peasy on normal and hard(probably insane too). but i'm not sure these games even have 200 submissions lol, what game are you talking about, ccwi?

>>172945420
>What is the next Cave's portage on steam ?
No news. I was looking like they had severed ties with Degica until very recently.

>>172945597
Should I assume they got bad sales with their portages lately or is it something else ?

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>>172945597
>until very recently
Did something happen recently?

>>172945798
According to Degica they numbers are pleasing to CAVE. It looked like they severed ties because Degica hasn't said shit about any new games at all, not even the slightest hints. They hadn't commented on months long threads in the Steam forums either until a few days ago.

>>172931317
wow, shmups are more popular than i'd think.

>>172945895
>Did something happen recently?
There is some turbo autist that has been bumping a thread on the DFK forum since October of last year. He doesn't play shmups and doesn't even own any but has been complaining about the CAVE ports. Degica had not said anything in his thread or any other threads for a looooong ass time. Maybe they fired their community guy? Degica posted something a few days ago about passing it the to QA team.

>>172945420
Deathsmiles II

>>172945420
It better be Futari.

>>172945441
I was talking about Kamui (my kusoclear landed in the end of 200s, I'm thinking about playing it again at some point but I didn't really like Kamui much). I suppose for more popular games clears won't even land in the top 200.

Dunno about Vulkaiser, not all Astro Port games had a leaderboard on release, plus I personally skipped it just because I didn't like it's art style in comparison to other Astro Port games.

>>172948127
> I didn't like it's art style in comparison to other Astro Port games.
ACHULLY my taste > your taste.
it's the best looking astro port game along with witchbot, all other astro port games are really dull, sterile looking.

>>172948617
I'm with the other anon on this one. Witchbot and Vulkaiser are their ugliest games.

>>172948972
>I'm with the other anon on this one.
not surprising, most people like how astro port games look(i've heard people say satazius is fantastic looking), but not me for some reason.

What the heck is Yotsubane even doing atm?
I really hope he brings out more games. The guy is just too talented at making games.

>>172950606
even he will make another game, i think ccwi will forever stay his magnum opus, it's just too good.

>>172950930
He could easily top it, if he just made enough money from it, and could dev at full time.

But nope, people rather play shit like Undertale or Risk of Rain, while shmups stay completely forgotten.

>>172950606
He is or was working on Garukilla or something.

Bullet Soul comes out on PC in a few days and isn't in OP.

>>172938917
If you mistaken my style of humour for chimping out then you're a witless dumb autistic penis breathe.

Cee is not a chimp, he is just a bully

>>172952475
>Bullet Soul
And there goes another decent game ruined by waifus...

>>172951392
>Risk of Rain
is this fun?

>>172952475
>>172954485
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3q-6ES1xg8

>>172955107
I-it's just played on e-easy mode, r-right?
Anyway, CCWI also doesn't look much different in the first level.

>>172948617
I can masturbate to the catgirl from Witchbot if I need to, but that's as much praise I can give it's art

I guess Vulkaiser/Witchbot mimic very old anime style, when everything was very bright and low-detail, but I'm just not a fan of it

>>172954796
Not that anon, but eh, it's a rogue-lite and far from being the best one out there (I'd even say it's poorly designed and quite buggy), but it managed to get a lot of attention because it's one of the first ones on Steam

Rogue-lite genre is in general way more popular than shmups because it's very accessible yet marketed as hard/challenging.

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>>172970867

why so dead today?

>>172950606
he has a real job, he only made a shmup as a hobby
he is also busy collecting shmup world records

Extend!

How's that port of Dangun Feveron coming along?

>>172986715
They posted something about it recently so I guess it's coming along.

Pizza or shmups. If I do one I know I won't do the other tonight.

Wow, I missed a lot of DLC ships coming out for DBCS.

Does the Progear DLC add a love rank where not using auto targeting causes the cute female tailgunner--or even better, the cute Darius hologram girl--to like my pilot more?

>>172991335
I always wanted a thing called tuna sashimi. Pizza and then shmups, I don't see how pizza's gonna take all night. Unless you need money for shmups?

>>172991685
Chances are if I pizza I will end up watching stuff while I eat and then get lost in it, forgetting about the shmups for the night.

>>172991335
>>172991685
He is going to spend his pizza money to credit feed in the local arcade again

>>172991335
Why not both? I'm spending the evening toilet posting but I'll play some later.

>>172991840
Warm up on shmups while you eat and get lost in it, forgetting about watching stuff for the night.

>>172992049
You're planning on sitting on the toilet most of the evening?

>>172992009
Don't sell him short, maybe he's gonna 1cc every cabinet in the arcade.

>>172991335
pizza obviously

>>172992009
>>172992049
>>172992089
>>172992637
>>172992739
I will compromise and pizza while I watch some shmup gameplay on YouTube. This should keep it foremost in my mind so when I am done I can get right into it. Watching will probably make me want to play even more honestly.

>>172992214
>You're planning on sitting on the toilet most of the evening?
It's comfy.

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Bahmpu~

>Gaymer ran out of games he made poojins randomizer

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Stay alive!

>tfw you can't get out of stage 1

>>173005391
don't do full runs and practice stages then maybe?
but i feel you, playing for survival in something like ccwi is dull even if it's last stage, but playing for score is nerve wracking, the only solution for me was to forget about full runs(until i'm good enough) and focus on each stage separately.

>>173005391
>tfw you can't get out of stage 2-1

>>173005391
>>173007478
I have faith in you guys.

>>173005391
It happens.