/rlg/ - Roguelike General

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First for chei

The image in the OP isn't 100% accurate (e.g. base damage of forms), but I didn't have anything proper to open the thread with on hand.

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>tfw no gotefolk rl

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>>172537120
>speedposting
PENANCE

>>172537086
>cap of indra on andorid
>that sweet elec immunity
>that phat construction value

>>172537258
Hey, take it easy.

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>Monks don't start with UC anymore
>or any points in combat skills
What's the fucking point.

>>172537916
To make it more distinguishable from all other shitty fighting starts.

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>>172538452
Yeah but it's a shitty, bad and wrong idea

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>>172538452
But why do they suddenly have weapons? WHY
The point of monks in vidya is that they fistdudes.

>>172538895
They don't have weapons again in trunk
they also don't start with any UC skill

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>>172538975
What in the world...
So when the devs go retard, they go full retard.

>>172537916
2 piety points, biyatch

The extra point in Fighting and Dodging will probably be helpful, especially for races with good aptitudes in those areas.

Also, I tend to agree with their flavor justification. While video games and nerds tend to glorify the "awesome kung fu" monks, the overwhelming majority of *actual* monks -- the ones who'd make most sense as being in tune with gods -- are not really born fighters. Being a monk might give them a strong composition (hence, Fighting's HP), but otherwise, they should "try" to avoid combat (obviously they won't because this is a roguelike).

>>172539980
>but otherwise, they should "try" to avoid combat
>trying to take the orb to destroy the world
>but without fighting

Is it just me or is everything except stealth completely unviable in Norrendin? It's one of those meme RLs where the enemies keep scaling and the player basically doesn't.

>>172539980
>2 piety points, biyatch
3 if you find a faded altar.

>>172538975
I just started a trunk monk and had a selection of weapons.
Also three points of skill.

>>172541321
What's the version number?

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>>172541321
Anon do you even know what trunk is

>>172541487
It's the one on CDO. I'm not sure how to find the actual version number, but the latest line in the changelog is
>1ae2c61 | Chris Campbell | 2017-03-28 00:26:09 +0100

>>172541523
Does the trunk still have enrage timers or was that too retarded even for dcss devs?

>>172542521
bezotting is just a branch, anon.
Like foodless, plutonians and lizardpeople.

>>172537120
THATS NOT HOW IT WORKS ANONQ2O8IPEHJ 2Q3098U RH2QW389U˙[´˝W4HJ

>>172542436
?V should show the version number at the top.

In any case, yeah, you're playing a version that's just slightly old (which is smart on CDO's part, since brand-new commits frequently break online play).

How long does a ToME campaign usually take? This is my first roguelike and I'm loving the fuck out of it, but damn, it seems like it has a ton of content for a game meant to be played on one life.

Of course, being new to the genre, I've probably seen nothing yet.

>>172543293
Take it ezmode

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>coffebreak yeek monk^nature

SANIC

>>172545125
probably like 10-15 hours. Completing The Tower is about the halfway mark in terms of story missions.

>>172537427
>when you find elec immunity on android
>but it's just that shitty Taratol mace
>and you can't wield it because you need a melee weapon that actually does damage

>>172538895
shaolin monks train with all kinds of traditional kung-fu weapons though
-nunchucks
-staffs
-meteor hammers
-chain whips
-just regular ol' swords and spears
-probably a lot more shit

>>172549023
>staffs

>>172546487
>10 minutes
>level 23

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>>172549217
n-no bully

>>172549217
>dwarfs
>milfs

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>>172549296
>15 minutes
>level 30

I died in the vault quest because I forgot I was aggravating since sexy.

getting loadsofxp means getting loadsofAC and hits
I can barely think the amount of carnage a tonberry monk would unleash
>>172549364
A bit of bullying never killed anyone

>>172549421
>milves

>>172549023
BUT MUH FIST

>elfs

>humans

Is the One Way Heroics Plus bundle fun for $4.53?

>>172550951
It's a roguelike, what the fuck do you think?
Of fucking course not.

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>>172534776
What? But that's crazy.. Why on earth would one monster (or possibly a few more that we don't know about) have pathing?
(Even the stupidest and lowliest of monsters/zombies should have at least -some- form of pathing. Now things just move in a straight line towards you.) Are you absolutely sure? ...Actually, I suppose the most likely answer is that I'm wrong, and that there -is- some sort of pathing AI mechanic.

>>172537295
Damn, that's true. Multitile robotic vehicles would be absolutely fantastic. I can definitively imagine that the AI code would be horribly difficult to make though, yeah.. One thing is simple getPos of the various tiles, or even using the velocity vars to foresee where it will be. ...but coding an AI that has to plan ahead---from what it can detect---and navigate tactically? Jesus...
I wish we had more Toadys.

>>172550951
i had fun playing owh a long time ago

the non-plus version is like literally onedollar, if you're not sure whether you want it or not
or it's free from the dev's website if you can read moon and are okay with a non-english-translated one

>>172551469
>I wish we had more Toadys.
No, you wish we had more people who are totally unlike Toady and care more about gameplay mechanics than dances, poetry or realism.

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What the h*ck. I have eaten entire trees that produce less energy than this.

>>172550951
Does your mother know you're shilling bad games in a free games general

>>172550951
Its all right.

>>172552271
have you seen how much those fuckers weigh?

>>172552440
Yeah, but it's only made of steel and plastic. Steel can't be turned into energy and plastic isn't a very good source of it. Besides, aren't logs about as heavy? They only produce ~550 energy.

>>172552576
>Besides, aren't logs about as heavy?
A skitterbot weighs about 150 kilograms.
Realism was never a thing in DDA: the more a thing weighs, the more energy it gives.

>>172551776
No. I wish we had more Toadys.
Whether it's dancing, poetry forms, gemstone cut classification, musical theory, metereological mathematics or geology, Toady is the kind of person who---in the pursuit of making something realistic---reads up and studies something before somehow finding an optimal way of simulating it elegantly in a simplified videogame.
Whether you like it or not, the core tenet of Dwarf Fortress is realism, and the 'Nade aims for the same thing in CDDA. (This unlike any other roguelike discussed in these threads, interestingly enough.)

>caring about realism before [subjectively fun] gameplay mechanics is bad
The main issue here, is that you personally would like CDDA to focus on gameplay mechanics (specifically, ones that you personally would prefer) before realism. I'm afraid this isn't the point of cdda.
In the case of every roguelike that isn't DF and CDDA, I agree with you though. There, the point isn't realism. Incidentally, the gritty realism part is why I love DF and CDDA though.

>>172552271
Jesus Christ!

>>172552732
Well technically 150kgs of robotics could house a WHOLE lot of chemical energy

>>172552970
anon.
bullets go through glass. Zombies go through quarterpanels.
it's time you give up on DDA's "realism". It extends only to annoying things like vitamins, faulty engines and filthy clothing.

Are there any roguelikes in which you can possess enemies?
Or revive enemies as allies but without them being weak-ass motherfuckers?
Because shit man when I revive that legendary warrior I just killed I don't want some generic skeleton or zombo or ghost, I want that legendary dude I just defeated.

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>get any one of Chain Lightning, Railgun, or Directional EMP
>never fear the grenadier again
Are robots especially weak to electricity, or do *-hacks just have really small HP?

>>172553217
Play as a possessor in poschengband
you can possess the corpses of dead enemies to become them

PCB also lets you revive the corpses of enemies as allies who are exactly as strong as the original deadguy, although it doesn't work for unique enemies

>>172553217
Off the top of my head, Midboss, ToME, PCB, Collateral Souls, and City of the Damned all allow you to posess enemies.

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>>172553146
No, CDDA isn't realistic. Yes, it aims for as high degree of realism as possible. These aren't mutually exclusive.

One could go on and on and on about how the game pretty much shits on realism, really.. but it still aims for it. The bullets-through-glass and zombie-tunneling (and LOTS of other things, heh) are logged as bugs, after all, not game mechanical features.
...Yeah, it-.. still has some ways to go..
Even though I applaud the entire filthy clothing thing for its realism, the tedium was so bad that I'm ashamed to admit I was glad they changed it into an optional mod..

>>172553365
Hmm, they only have low HP, I think. I don't think there's any directly electrical component to a railgun attack. Only kinetic. (Not sure though.. if there -is- some sort of "surge" component, I hope it gets fixed!)

>>172552845
>Whether you like it or not, the core tenet of Dwarf Fortress is realism, and the 'Nade aims for the same thing in CDDA.
So, he's not aiming for multitile robots but rather for shoe soles wearing down from walking and guns requiring cleaning to prevent their breakdown.

>>172553217
Demon lets you link with gods and shit.

>>172553692
Multitile robots is fully within the constraints of this core tenet. (It -is- a futuristic setting, after all.)

...Sadly, the same goes for shoe sole wear and gun cleaning, hehe. Yeah you're onto something important though.. Slowly but surely, the tedium from all the realism will push aside all the joy from the gameplay.. In the end I suppose it comes down to how masochistic you are.
and I'm dreadfully masochistic when it comes to gritty realism

>>172553682
>I don't think there's any directly electrical component to a railgun attack.
Railgun is a gun, but also a CBM that makes a lightning bolt follow the path of thrown metal objects. I've been tossing nails at an elite grenadier to fill up the hallway between us with electric clouds, and none of the *-hacks he's sent at me have managed to survive it yet.

>>172553478
>>172553490
PCB is intimidating as hell for me to get into because it just kinda dumps you in with little guidance on how to handle your business, but at least now I've got a reason to actually bother trying. Thanks lads.

>>172554056
Ohh.. Yeah, of course, due to how the CBM works according to the game.. Damn.. Classic example of someone "cinema-science"ing something up without proper preceding research, though. There shouldn't be any residual charge left in the projectile large enough to impart damage.
Still sounds like a cool effect though!

but you already have the chain lightning CBM, so maybe they should change it?

>>172553950
You misunderstand what realism people are about. Both Toady and KG.

They aren't about implementing features that add stuff to the game and also happen not to be unrealistic.
They are about taking existing features and tweaking them into something they consider more realistic, often without considering the implications. And rarely about actually adding realistic features.

For example, Toady adding soapmaker profession and soap because it's realistic to have soap, then keeping it at that for a decade. It wasn't realistic at all because training people as soapmakers in a world where soap is useless is not realistic, but it was "realistic" because soap exists IRL.

There was one DDA dev who was for "feature realism" - mugling. He was shat on on /rlg/ because he implemented some of the most hated realism features (magazines, vitamins, cranes, engine faults), but he was the type of a person who would add multitile vehicles eventually - he even planned to do so at one point.
Ironically, Kevin hates him, but likes all his additions that /rlg/ hates.

>check out roguebasin for recently updated roguelikes for something I haven't tried before
>find one that looks interesting
>the download link on the official website needs captcha to access and the captcha is broken and always fails
Ayy lmao

>>172554586
>implementing realism according to their own beliefs
No, I agree with this. The thing is, there's a hugely prevalent fantastically consistent consensus about the vision they're working towards. Namely, reality.
That being said, there will always be differing ways of how people implement it in a simulation. ..which is why I wrote (somewhat tongue-in-cheek, I might add) that we need more Toadys, since he has a track record of doing this in resource-efficient and game-mechanically "neutral" ways.

>soap, despite no in-game use
I can see where you're coming from, but this actually relates pretty directly to the earlier core argument I mentioned; The soap is there because of the overarching game vision (about realism). If the predominant focus was game-mechanical, the soap wouldn't be there (because it didn't have an in-game use). It's still realistic that the soap exists in-game. (Just as food existing before adventurers needing to eat, and a thousand other examples.)

>DDA dev - mugling
Huh, didn't know about this.. Interesting. I wonder how he was to work with as a person. You know, humble or arrogant, etc..
Also---and this is loose conjecture territory, though---I have a theory that what people really have a problem with (i.e. with these tedious realism things), is the gradual increase of them. You know, the slow incremental addition of more and more realistic (and often tedious/frustrating) features..
I don't think people hate them intrinsically, as much as they hate them because it changes the game's flow from what they're used to.
After all, consider how things would've been if these were features there from the start. It wouldn't be anymore tedious/frustrating than a LOT of the features in the other roguelikes featured in these threads, really. An interesting thought

>>172553217
Demon literally lets you capture your enemies and use them in all of their glory as allies
But there are some generic demons including spoopy skeletor and zambo
The lore is pretty dank tho

>>172554889
it's ok anon, you don't have to lie to rlg
we know you're secretly a robot

>>172556263
>Ashi.png

>>172551469
Mi-Go will path like crazy to avoid stepping on time tax spaces like shrubs

>>172554586
it all makes sense now

>>172546487
Lopin's male though.

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Repostin'

>>172556726
Sure, why not.

>>172553217
PCB let's you do that with the possessor-class. It's pretty fun.

>>172556726
roll

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>>172556519
Whuh-
...Well alright then. Shieeeet.

On a Mi-Go related note: I haven't yet met a single NPC when playing CDDA, and thus (in the beginning, anyway) I was always sharply on the lookout for any hints of NPC life. Particularly sounds. I was fooled by the Mi-Go sounds probably ten or so times before I realized there wasn't any NPCs to be found.
Several times, this actually lead to me seeking them out. Kind of neat, really, considering that's their purpose. Heh

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Legitimately don't know if I can kill these dudes.

That said, anyone know how deep these military outposts go? I'm like 4 floors down now and there's no sign of it stopping: at least, the plutonium generator was a floor up.

Incidentally, the plutonium generator can be dissembled from the construction menu but it only produces 5 cells.

>>172557742
Nevermind, they're not immune to electricity. Thank you Railgun CBM.

They don't drop anything special or have CBMs you can cut out of them. Disappointing.

What's the best or most content-rich fork of Pixel Dungeon?

>>172552576
>plastic isn't a very good source of it
Well, it should be. Plastic is basically pure hydrocarbons.

>>172557742
Yeah those military outposts can be a pain.
I don't think the outposts go as deep as some sci labs do. ..those god damn armored zombies, though.. Holy crap. (Although they don't yield CBMs when butchered, I suppose one redeeming quality is that they can drop various types of power armor. ...and sometimes, power armor can be hella rare.)

>plutonium generator
I know! It should yield way more, right? They should bump this up immensely, maybe making the vicinity more irradiated, or making the disassembly take a bit longer, etc.

>>172558707
This. ..and rather energy-dense hydrocarbons at that

>>172557742
Looks like four floors, according to the jsons.

My only attempt there ended when I took off my glasses to tank a bunch of secubots with power armor, then stumbled blindly into a grenadier.

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>hanging around level 99 killing uniques until I can manage to hoard enough !mana for notmorgoth
>find a potion of experience but i'm already level 50
>checke the alchemy menu to see what I can turn it into
>Apparentliy !exp + !restorecon makes !*healing*, that sounds pretty good!
>picrelated happens
um

>>172559040
HAHAHAHA

>>172555868
>Huh, didn't know about this.. Interesting. I wonder how he was to work with as a person. You know, humble or arrogant, etc..
A perfectionist autist type. He had a vision, hated when anyone went against it (the DDA community disliked him for that at one point when he closed a bunch of PRs against it), actually worked towards his vision.
The problem was his ideas were quite short-sighted. Cranes, magazines, really painful UI - he obviously spent more time writing the game than playing it.

If he was still around, DDA would grow much faster. The problem was that he disliked and was disliked by KG and the forum/github community. By KG for wanting less bloat (30 items doing the same etc.), by community for closing some PRs and implementing some painful features.

If he stayed and finished the shit he started it would probably be good. Magazines ended up pretty cool IMO.

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>>172556578
he's clearly male (female).

>>172559040
Yeah, it absolutely took the same mechanics from ADoM.

>>172559421
Interesting.. Yeah, I love how magazines turned out. Still.. It's as you say, though. Even if he's a talented dude (or not), if working with him is horrible, then things get difficult.
(That being said, I can't truly say I'd mind DDA growing faster. ...even though I think it changes pretty fast as it is already.)

Also, (and sorry for being an absolute development noob here) what do you mean by PR?

>>172559704
ADoM is even better, since you can make giant fireballs by rubbing two herbs together.

Somehow.

>>172559978
It's a git thing: pull request
Basically a single contribution

>>172559496
Christ, that is an absolutely cute motherfucker

>>172559421
>Magazines ended up pretty cool IMO.
Except NPCs don't know how to use them at all and they're forever broken for them.

>>172559996
Yeah, offensive alchemy using stomacemptia/devil's rose etc is great in the ice queen's castle.
Basically you're pressing together the herbs at a molecular level and making a small fusion bomb.

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>>172560101
http://www.valsalia.com/
It's a neat comic about yeeks
not the floatrand yeeks mind you, even though they look rad as hell
warning: comic is not actually about yeeks

>>172551776
Whatever you think of Toady's priorities, you can't argue with his results!
When he wants something in his game, like three-dimensional tile grids instead of 2D, or permanent tracking of scars on all creatures in the world, he just adds it. Doesn't matter if it will take two years to code. The things he decides to do are a bit odd sometimes, but he always gets them done.
I think that's his defining attribute, not the slavish devotion to meaningless details.

>>172561117
Now, if only he could actually code to get
uh what was that meme I heard about in /dfg/
was it multi-cores
was it x64 architecture
there was apparently a huge fault in his coding

>>172561272
Probably multi-core
IIRC df is entirely single-threaded and so can only take advantage of a single CPU core

>>172560174
>magazines forever broken for NPCs
Oh shit. Why? Isn't it just a matter of tweaking the AI a bit with some simple conditional sequential instructions?

>>172560051
Thanks! (I'm not a code wizard, so I'm still trying to figure out the mystery that is github)

>>172560373
Thank you!

>>172561417
yeah that thing
that's retarded

>>172561448
>Isn't it just a matter of tweaking the AI a bit with some simple conditional sequential instructions?
that requires actual work and not just .json editing. That means it'll almost never be done.
>>172561417
Is there a specific reason for that?

>>172560174
Last time I checked NPCs reloaded magazines when idle, just not in the middle of combat.

>>172561638
>almost never be done
Oof.. Well shit, that sucks..

>>172561645
Here's hoping!

>>172561645
But they don't spawn with them, I remember. last time I checked they spawned with guns and with spare ammo and couldn't reload them.
Of course, if you give them magazines they might reload them.

>>172559040
>Max HP 995
>Cur HP -19020
Does vampirism make you especially vulnerable to alchemical explosions or something? Because that looks like "realistic chemistry" levels of overkill.

>>172561475
>Is there a specific reason for that?
because Toady built his entire codebase around being single threaded and reworking everything to utilize parallelization would take forever
he doesn't care about having a game that makes full use of computer resources nor about having efficient low running time algorithms and believes that quantum computers will eventually save his shit code from being shit

>>172561863
I'm pretty sure it works like a potion of death or potion of detonation

>>172561831
Most guns spawn with magazines in them.

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>>172562015
>and believes that quantum computers will eventually save his shit code from being shit

>>172562015
>because Toady built his entire codebase around being single threaded and reworking everything to utilize parallelization would take forever
I'm almost certain his fluid mechanics code runs as an once-per-turn routine. It obviously looks that way.
Unless he REALLY fucked up, it would be easy to parallelize that.

Parallel pathfinding would require redesigning so I see why it stays serialized, but a lot of background shit could easily run in parallel.

I guess it's time to redownload dorf fort again

>>172562439
>Look at the dependencies I need to install to play
>sudo apt-get install default-jre libsdl1.2debian:i386 libsdl-image1.2:i386 libsdl-ttf2.0-0:i386 libglu1-mesa:i386 libgtk2.0-0:i386 libopenal1:i386 libjpeg62:i386 git mercurial wget coreutils tar unzip unrar make g++ gcc patch xterm sed python bzip2 qtchooser qtbase5-dev qtbase5-dev-tools qtscript5-dev qt5-qmake libqt5script5 libqt5scripttools5 libqxt-core0 libqxt-gui0

FORGIVE ME FATHER FOR I HAVE SINNED

>>172562439
I continually wonder what playing Dwarf Fortress does that no one who frequents the general can spell dwarf.

>>172561863
Looking at the source code, the damage from an alchemical explosion is based on the square of the... nutrition value of the potion for some reason? Specically nutrition^2 / 2

*Healing* is worth 200 nutrition and so does 20,000 damage.
Slime mold juice is 400 nutrition and so would do 80,000 damage.
All the stat potions are worth 0 nutrition, so crafting those is actually safe.
Potion of restore mana is 50 nutrition. When I was crafting those earlier I had a chance to randomly instadie to a 1250 damage explosion.

>>172561272
>x64 architecture
He did add that. No more 3GB memory ceiling!

>>172561638
>Is there a specific reason for that?
1) Back when he started, multithreading wasn't really a thing. There were of course people with multiple processor cores in their machines, and some applications could even use that, but it was mostly for mp3 compression and not something ordinary gamers would know or care about.
2) He is, by his own admission, kinda shit at coding. Probably less shit now than he was ten years ago, but still. He doesn't have formal education in programming, and any good practices he has he's learned by doing things wrong over and over again.
3) Multithreading is hard, by roguelike standards. Not hard like actual hard problems, but a serious step up from having an '@' walking around on a grid.

What's the best god to get a melee Octopode going?
Frankly something that lets me get Statue Form as soon as possible.
Gozag can help with the jewelry and book aquisiton but it's fucking random as fuck

>>172563585
>What's the best god to get a melee Octopode going?
trog
>Statue Form
magic is for nerds

>>172563585
trog
some memester will say chei but he doesn't give statue form and you'll have huge death rate early game compared to anything else you'd do
sif if you want trasmutations i guess

>>172564043
chei transmuters are shit now, they removed the synergy

>>172564195
chei transmuters were always shit

>>172564043
>>172563902
How to do it with Trog though?
I feel the safest way is to go short blades and stealth for most of the early game
Not using mclarge hueg weapons with trog jutst feels kinda sad, same for the fucking dagger gifts

>>172562015
>>172562196
>>172562350
nah he's already started lots of work towards parallellization and multi-threading. He doesn't think it's critical at this point, hence it's a low priority, but he has acknowledged the merit of it.

>>172563546
>lack of formal coding education
Yeah this.. Sadly. It's amazing what he's been able to teach himself, but (and he's admitted this several times) he would benefit greatly from coding experience grounded in more formal coding.

>>172564367
training stealth? sure why not, it lets you walk away from shit
using shortblades? don't be retarded, wield a real weapon

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>>172564282
>implying NaTm of Chei isn't the strongest combo

Working on a system where ticks happen before your action. This is for the goal of a Monster Hunter style game. An entity selects an action, perhaps there is some sort of indication right at that moment (such as a tell for an attack), they're locked in place while the rest of the world moves, and then after a certain number of ticks the action fires off. The idea is to have large bosses with attacks that have certain tells and their attacks effect on area. It's on the player to recognize tells/patterns to know where not to be. Thinking about having the player have a stamina gauge sort of deal and the lower it is, the more ticks your own actions take. If you're too aggressive, your dodge can't happen fast enough to get you out of the area of effect before the monster attacks.

>>172563546
Thanks for the rundown lad
Now that I think about it, programming a roguelike is pretty simple
But Toady also has a bunch of other systems going on beyond the standard roguelike fare of "enemy walks toward you. enemy hits. enemy hits but do.", adding to the complexity of improving his code

>>172564367
Berserk effectively gives you -33% damage taken because it steps your current HP/max HP up to 150%, and then steps it back down to 100% at the end. Shields are great for pode survivability, and the might bonus from berserk adds a flat damage bonus which benefits smaller faster weapons more. Stealth is good too because of the high aptitude and the ability to reposition before engaging.

>>172564789
>someone is actually coding up my Monster Hunter roguelike idea
holy shit I love you

>>172564663
>Undickery

Why is Eye of the Dragon so SHIT?

>>172566179
none of its starting relic upgrades immediately aid in survivability, mishmash of hybrid magic/physical close range attacks with status effects and some can miss attacks necessitate all 5 (five) stats to be effective,

to survive either pump all vitality for summoner tank strats or all magic for ranged summoner glass cannon

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New Liberal Crime Squad updates when?

That new High Adrenaline is actually useful
>have sissy white boi skills
>ambushed by big black predator
>get him down to 50% hp before pain makes me useless
>wrecks my shit
>takes my torso to 10 hp
>tard rage kicks in
>wreck his shit
>tard rage comes down
>160 pain

>>172566827
>Toady doing anything other than Dwarf Fort forever

>>172567253
You know what's better? A point in melee and dodge so you don't have to rely on adrenaline.

>>172568610
A point in melee or dodge would not make me win against a predator ambush. And both melee and dodge train fast early on, so the investment returns quickly.

Is the Serpent of Chaos considered living for damage purposes?

>>172570762
Serpent and Unicorn both count as nonliving for some reason.

So no vampirism and no slay living for you.

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You die...

>>172569441
Try asking in /lite/

>>172559040
hoooooooly fuck

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>>172549364
>>172549450
This anon is right, dont bully!

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So I'm playing around with the archer class, and I noticed that missiles don't merge into 40-count "quiver" stacks like they do in vanilla Angband. Making arrows like in ADOM is nice, but the limited inventory is killing it.

Would archery/craft skillmasters work better for making 99 jumbo stacks of decent arrows?

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>>172573109

>>172552845
>Whether you like it or not, the core tenet of Dwarf Fortress is realism
It really isn't. Dwarf fortress is touted as a fantasy world simulator, not a real world simulator, is populated by hundreds of kinds of fantastical creatures, includes materials that turn the laws of physics inside out, and literal magic is the biggest feature on the horizon. You can have dwarf children the size of small horses, import drinking vessels made out of spider silk, use perpetual motion machines to hurl boulders through arrow slits, kill giant metal monsters by throwing bugs at them, or dance with actual bogeyman as a giant sentient insect.
I'm not sure dwarf fortress really has a core tenet, but if it does it sure as hell ain't realism.

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>tfw no hammers

>>172576587
you've done well to timely delete such a shameful post

What's a good strategy for Vp? I was thinking of VpEn to Kiku being the standard thing. But would stealth/stabbing hold up in a 3 rune game?

>>172576798
yes

>>172576798
post webtiles and let me bully you in real time

>>172577035
Are zombies silent then if I raise them?

>>172577213
you have to feed them fresh meat every day or they'll start to growl

>>172576798
>But would stealth/stabbing hold up in a 3 rune game?
No. Stabbing never becomes useless, but it's unreliable. It's not hard to transition to tabbing, though. Find a nice long blade and maybe some spellbooks.

>>172578127
So with Kiku's gift, since it's a vampire and can't use most of the spells, I'd get pain brand on a quickblade if I can find it and ideally get a long blade if it's better?

>>172573604
NO! No bully!

>>172578281
don't go kiku with fampais
worship nemelex, the greatest god of all times

>>172574761
You can't have dwarf children the size of small horses, what are you talking about.

>>172579113
Not him, but I think I've heard about this.
Toady changed some stuff, such that the offspring of a couple inherit their traits.

But instead of offspring inheriting their parent's original, pre-training traits, they inherit their parents current traits. If those parents happen to be superdwarvenly [stat] and so musclebound that they're actually much larger than a normal dwarf, then the child will take that as the baseline and grow from there.

>>172573369
PCB 6.0.0 adds quivers that are sort of similar to what vanilla angband does, although it's currently buggy with savefiles so I'd wait until it's fixed before updating.

For inventory management: check out the archer's guild in Morivant, Telmora or Angwil, they have a service to enchant your arrows.
When I play archer I generally just keep a pile of +0 arrows and then enchant everything else as high as the archer's guild will go (which depends on your current level). Even early on when you don't really have money to enchant everying, you should definitely pay to enchant the branded and seeker ammo.

Note that seeker arrows are REALLY GOOD, and enchanted seeker arrows do damage nearly as good as (or sometimes better than) branded non-seeker arrows, while also being much more common and not having to worry about monster resistances or races. The quality of stuff you get from Create Ammo improves with your level, so eventually you'll get to the point where you only ever carry seeker arrows and just throw away everything else.

Archery/craft skillmasters are also really OP because you can eventually use craft spells to slap brands on every single one of your massive amount of seeker arrows (created with Create Ammo), plus you can cast Weaponmastery and Mana Branding on top of that to make them even better.

>temple of torment
Holy shit what kind of an alien is this control scheme made for
If someone asks you why roguelikes should be controlled with a keyboard and mouse plebs should be gassed, show them this game

>>172582349
sasuga phoneposter-kun

>>172559040
that is a lot of no hp

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>>172574761
Nah man, that's a common misconception. You're confusing realism---that is, adherence to real-world physical, biological and psychosocial causality---with "trying to be identical to the real world we know" (often erroneously called photorealism). These are not the same, nor are they mutually exclusive.
Dwarf fortress is a realistic fantasy world simulator. Meaning that content-wise, the world is different from ours (different places, races, forces, etc.), but it behaves in the constraints of causal rules we infer from our own world.
Consider the following: Technically, Candy Crush, Super Mario Bros. and Civilization 5 are all "Fantasy World Simulators" too.

If a dragon breathes fire in DF, then that fire will burn things. If that fire burns a dwarf (a humanoid creature very closely related to humans), that creature will get hurt, and probably die. (In a less realistically focused game, it might give you a debuff for a few seconds before everything's back to normal.)
If a metal has fantastical properties, then it behaves realistically with those properties.
If a magical spell creates a hurricane force wind, that wind will push things/creatures. (Instead of, say, bizarrely inflicting 14d6 Air damage).
If you anger the purple electrical alien-slime, it won't spin around spouting power-ups, then turn into a save-point.
The content doesn't matter---it still aims to be a causally accurate simulation of how things work in our reality.


Now, things like perpetual motion machines and thrown bugs dealing lethal damage are not content-specific issues, but rather flaws in the engine (and thus irrelevant). They are unintended.
...And -intention- is precisely the core thing we're discussing here, remember: Dwarf Fortress -aims- and -intends- to be realistic. (But it will never be completely realistic, of course.)

Every video game in existence is a balance of "stylized" versus "realistic" entertainment. DF leans heavily towards realistic.

>>172583410
couldn't have said it better

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>smack it with a pipe
>receive literal seasons worth of drinks
Seriously, at the very least make everything the armored variant, that one at least needs a sledgehammer before 160 liters of loot explodes out.

>>172582575
>phoneposter
I don't think you understand, have you even played the game? It has to be one of the jankiest roguelikes I've ever seen.

>horrible, MANDATORY mouse controls
>some menus don't even have a quickkey and have to be opened with the mouse
>except when you're in menus you can't move the selection with your mouse cursor for some reason despite being really heavily mouse-based and the menu items like inventory don't have letter shortcuts holy shit what the fuck is wrong with this game
>equipped items count towards inventory item limit and stackable items only stack a few times before needing an another stack
>spells are used by equipping a spell book
>by the way it's one spell per spellbook
>did I mention there's an inventory item limit and it's really tight

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I can't not use it

>>172583410
that's the dumbest thing i've read in this thread this month
a fantasy world is by your own definition not realistic because it doesn't adhere to real world causality. if a fantasy setting rigorously adheres to its own internal logic without any plot holes it's still fantasy and not realistic.

>>172559040
So what happens if you die in hell, do you go to super hell?

>>172584283
that would be "stylized" though and unrealistic

>>172585426
Well there are fantasy games where there are even for the fantasy world so many plotholes that it doesn't make sense.

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>>172584585
Calm down, man. No need to be so dramatic.

I never gave my definition of a "fantasy world", but the common connotational usage is something along the lines of "a world different from ours, where elements derived from traditional folklore are likely to be incorporated"
We're not talking about how identical the world (content-wise) is to ours here.
We're talking about how realistic the game's rendition/simulation of its world is (i.e. to what extent it manages to be "our world + extra stuff") with regard to its narrative, no matter if space-slimes or magic spells or whatever might exist in it.

This is a very well-known narratological and dramaturgical principle.
..but I think you're taking this a bit personally. No worries, man, let's leave it. I-.. don't think your opinion is going anywhere anyway.
Honestly didn't mean to make you salty, though! Sorry

>>172587976
you are a little bab that can't take criticism

>>172587976
you gave your definition of realistic. under your own definition, fantasy worlds aren't realistic, because they don't abide by real world physical laws.
i'm not talking about the content here, i'm talking about causality, your own definition of realism, established in the first line of your previous post only to be contradicted in the second line.

>>172587976
He's right though, you're retarded. The minute you incorporate fantasy elements is the minute you abstract things to what-ifs and dice. Metal with magical etc. properties is realistically no different than a 2d+1 'fire' spell that turns slimes into checkpoints - as long as it's consistent with the rules of the world.

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No-o-dens
No-o-dens
6 foot 8 and his manastorm rends
Opponents beware
Opponents beware
He's coming
He's coming
He's coming

Let me lay it on the line he had two on the vine
I mean two sets of psycho-spears so divine
Through the walls made of granite he patrolled the land
With some summons like Bahamut and his merry band

Here comes Nodens in control
Corridors can't protect you from his speedy stroll
Ate opponents' !healing and invented bad feelings
He's coming
He's coming
He's coming

No-o-dens
No-o-dens
Six foot twenty f*cking killing for fun
Fear, fear, players alike
He's coming
He's coming
He's coming

Sue me if I go too fast but the sons of his opponents wish he was their pet
Got a staff for his rod got a P for his p
He'll blow you apart
He'll blow you apart

He'll kill you but not if tele other'ed
He'll kill you but not if tele other'ed
He'll kill you but not if tele other'ed
He'll kill you but not if tele other'ed

He had a pocket full of summons, fucked the shit out of people
Threw a mana bolt to heaven
Make you put your hands in a steeple
He brings death like a Gwaihir falling out of the sky
Kills like-minded people but he never says why

No-o-dens
No-o-dens
Twelve stories high and self-healing scum
The present beware
The future beware
He's coming
He's coming
He's coming

>>172589291
What is this a reference to?

>tfw not good enough to truly know why Nodens and the Metal Babble are such big deals compared to other later uniques

>>172589506
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbRom1Rz8OA

>>172589506
>100% spellcasting rate
>follows teleport
>knows manastorm and summon uniques
>doesn't resist stunning

>>172589583
>>172589787
Alright. Thanks for the info.

>going to try a slime vehicle like was mentioned here
>look at the crafting requirements
>3 mutagen, blob globs, vacutainer
This feels like one of those "forging a wrench" recipes, where by the time you can actually do it you have no need for it.

>>172590016
nigga the game is over by the time you have a more-than-2-day supply of food and a car to sleep in

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>>172590175
tfw only one day food supply and no car irl

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nothing personnel, kid

>>172591567
if you're vulnerable to Holy don't fight Pearl Dragons

>>172591651
how would he complete the game without fighting pearl dragons?

>>172588476
No, you didn't read it correctly then.
I never said realistic worlds had to abide by real world physical laws (because although they often try to, they almost always have extraneous supernatural things that go beyond ours), but they -do- have to consistently adhere to the laws they presuppose, in a manner that our own world does. I.e. causal congruency.
(E.g. In the game Gravity Rush, you screw around with gravity a lot, but the game adheres to its own "laws of physics" the same way as our world does. (If it didn't---say if it started showing inconsistent toony physics---it would cause a huge break in suspension of disbelief.))

(Also, keep in mind, we can't argue semantically here: The word "realistic" has hugely varying connotative meanings depending on what one applies it to.)

>>172588556
>The minute you incorporate fantasy elements is the minute you abstract things to what-ifs and dice.
That sentence is the most nonsensical thing ever to have been sent over the internet.

>supernatural things technically no different than even more bizarre supernatural things
Now, this makes a whole more sense. I actually agree with you here:
As long as it's consistent with the game world's own laws, the degree to which some of the content is bizarre/"further" from our world doesn't matter when talking about mechanical/causal realism.
It does, however, matter when talking about content realism (which is about all the specific content as identical to our world as possible).

Here's the kicker/summary:
- In all games there are varying degrees of both mechanical realism and content realism.
- DF strives towards mechanical realism. (My postulate.)
- It does so avoiding perfect content-realism (A design choice. Or else it would be set in our world.)
- You implied (in >>172574761) that supernatural features invalidated all kinds of claims to realism, no matter what. (And also brought up bugs for some reason.)
- I explained there are different ways to pursue realism.

>>172592289
>I never said realistic worlds had to abide by real world physical laws
that is literally what you said, there is no way for you to evade.
>realism---that is, adherence to real-world physical, biological and psychosocial causality
if you meant something else then the fault is not with the reader.

>Also, keep in mind, we can't argue semantically here
there's a good argument to be made that your semantics are shit, but in the first place i never contended with your definition, i just found it ridiculously ironic how you can contradict yourself within one sentence after defining your term. the whole point of formally defining terms is to make sure you're being consistent.

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>>172592943
I admit I was a bit unclear, but
>that is literally what you said
this is still wrong.
>realism---that is, adherence to real-world physical, biological and psychosocial causality
Causality (in the context of physical, biological and psychosocial events) isn't the same as the laws of physics themselves, the "laws" of psychosocial behaviour, etc.

>semantic inconsistency
The word "realistic" in this debate cannot be taken out of context (and thus used in purely semantic arguments) because of the connotative inaccuracy of the term. That's why I always paired it with descriptors or additional information designating what kind of realism I was talking about. (or tried to, anyway)
>your semantics are shit
Well-... YOUR MOM
Yeah, I could have been more clear and concise in my language. English isn't my first language so I kind of rape/roboticize it in some awful ways at times

>>172594658
>Causality (in the context of physical, biological and psychosocial events) isn't the same as the laws of physics themselves
the term causality is synonymous with the various laws that govern cause and effect and you know it you cheeky cunt

>The word "realistic" in this debate cannot be taken out of context
i didn't compare your usage of the word in one post to another, but one post to itself. you didn't define some hyphenated realism, either. i don't want to give you a hard time over a mistake but your damage control triggers my autism

>>172592195
evoke feet

>>172592195
You don't even have to fight pearl dragons on the Holy Fort Pan rune

>>172595684
run away? uhh, it's late game, you don't have to run away from anything. if you can't even beat every monster then you didn't beat the game?

>>172596283
You certainly don't win the game by killing all the dudes.

>>172596351
who can stop you if you kill everyone

>>172596461
Yourself.

>>172596475
what nonsense

>>172596585
Also, if you can kill ALL the dudes, you should have won hours ago.

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>>172597067
But doing more and more megaziggs until you eventually die despite the fact you could easily have achieved 15 runes at that point is fun, anon!

>>172597260
First zig is best zig. Each one after is an order of magnitude less fun.

>>172597260
i want to stick duct tape on a cat!

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>>172597513
DON'T

>>172597513
Its pretty funny, they basically do that same reaction if its anywhere near their head. Otherwise, they do the annoyed/amused cat tail wag and peel it off.

>>172597680
i want to file a cat's claws so it can't scratch anyone!

>>172590016
>cooking 6-8 means you have no need for one of the best engines in the game, infinite guns, or infinite generators/batteries/lights

>>172556726
>you MUST post your first ten deaths in the thread
>implying I'll even play it 10 times

>>172597946
STOP
or I get lewd

>>172598428
ok stopping

>I'm definitely strong enough for the haunted house now

I wasn't

>>172598379
Look man, I didn't make the rules.

>>172598509
thank

>>172598428
I want to give my cat the hat of the alchemist!

>>172598534
There's no reason to do that quest. The reward is worthless and the following quest is both difficult and has a mediocre reward.

>Demon has an ability called "Dragon Soul"
>There are only two demons that have it, and only one of them is a dragon

>>172598812
Is the other one a furry? Sorry, "scaly?"

>>172598950
why did you correct yourself
you could've deleted that word before pressing submit and nobody would've known you've made a mistake

>>172599123
To show disgust and be condescending.

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>>172599123
He wanted you to know.

>>172599327
>Draconians
>clothes

>>172599460
Their tiles have undergarments.

>>172599772
all I see is a d

>>172598379
sil is too boring to play 10 times

seems like it's entirely about the INTERESTING TACTICAL SITUATIONS that crawldevs love but it just doesn't have anything to draw me in

>>172598792
well doing quests improves your fame so it's slightly helpful if there's an artifact you really wanna reforge but can't yet

so a realistic world means it's self consistent with its own rules even if those rules don't exist in our reality
and a "photorealistic" world is one that just looks like ours but not necessarily adhering to any of our world's rules

>>172600239
>too boring

then why haven't you beaten it?

>>172601082
fun and difficulty are different things

a game can be boring/uninteresting/unfun without being easy

>>172601294
>excuses

yalright man

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>"Yeah personally i've always hated pineapple on pizza"
>"Oh yeah!? If you really don't like hawaiian pizza, prove it by eating this entire hawaiian pizza RIGHT NOW!"

>>172601745
>open piping hot pizza
>smear face in molten cheese
>"omg this is terrible"

>>172602087
have I been eating pizza wrong this whole time
is that now how you're supposed to do it?

>>172598812
which ones

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How about you go back to roguelikes or at least talk about conduct-related vegan pizzas?

>>172602190
nice reddit comment

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Serpent tomorrow, please wait warmly

>>172602275
Anzu and vishap. Their base abilities cover the fire, ice, and electricity breaths.

>>172602350
then where's my fucking upvote

>>172602659
he already gave me a (You), what more could I ever ask for?

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>>172602278

>>172602439
To be clear, Anzu is the one that isn't a dragon. It's just some legendary beast that breaths fire and ice.

Next version is adding another dragon, mulassa, which breaths fire.

>>172602861
>pcb
>not a bloatfest

someone should shop in slex to be completely blocked in

https://www.reddit.com/r/roguelikes/comments/620zjw/the_problem_with_talkie_talkie_projects/?sort=new

Fuck off, Grey.

>>172603965
Is this the 3 million lines of python code guy?

>For a long time the term "talkie talkie project" has existed for projects that developers come along and talk a lot about but never go anywhere with.
>There is a fairly standard pattern to this - would-be developer joins the community for the first time, talks very vaguely about having an idea, asks people for input and then continues to post self-centred pieces seeking attention. Eventually the person disappears and is never seen again. The most infamous case of this being the legendary Shockfrost, who whipped up the Usenet development community, fed on attention, and never produced a damned thing of worth.
I've already told you guys about this shit. Literally every person on /rlg/ that has posted about wanting to develop a roguelike along with a couple initial progress pics has completely disappeared before finishing. I'll name off a few that I vaguely remember:
>serial killer roguelike guy
>call of duty roguelike guy
>that one guy that called individual tiles "floors"
>that one guy that had variable line of sight and dragon sex
>that one guy with tiny tiles and had a dark elf race or some shit
>uhhh not sure but some dude with a real time platforming "roguelike" (probably just moved to AGDG)
>monster hunter roguelike guy who posted for the first time in this very thread
can't think of any others

>>172604872
You're forgetting about Kornel

>>172604872
>serial killer roguelike guy

that's always been a running joke though

>>172605058
who

>>172605118
Yea but wouldn't it be great if he finished it

>>172605210
guy who made DoomRL, AliensRL, BerserkRL, and DiabloRL
DoomRL was very briefly a good game but he soiled it and the others aren't really done.
He's working on a new commercial roguelike with GRAPHIXXX and MAINSTREAM APPEAL because he's after that MAD STEAM BUX.
tl;dr he never has made anything of value ever but talks a good talk. I'm just shittalking him because he abandoned AliensRL which was my favorite game of his.

>>172604872
>Is this the 3 million lines of python code guy?
Grey? Nah.

>>172605817
oh my bad that's Mark Johnson of Ultima Ratio Regum fame with 420k lines in a single file

It's been almost 2 years since the last CDDA update. Is it safe to say the game is dead?

>>172606379
I literally have never even played CDDA or even really cared about it, yet I know it's in active development.

>>172606379
They're updating the experimental version but have completely abandoned actually releasing stable updates. The game will never actually be not a buggy mess so I agree with this decision.

>>172606489
>>172606512
Makes sense. Is the experimental build an even buggier mess than the last stable update?

>>172606601
It's less buggy than stable.

>>172606601
>>172606601
>>172606601
Every couple of updates something major fucks up, like a couple versions ago the sleep healing effect was applied during day and not at night, basically making you heal super fast during the day, but they usually get it fixed in the next patch, which comes out within 48 hours.

>>172603141
>filename

I legitimately like Dungeons of Dredmor. Call the cops, I don't give a fuck.

Only thing I hate about it is the inventory management which is nothing short of a nightmare.

Say something you like and something you don't like about the roguelike you are currently playing.
C:DDA
I like how much shit there is to do and how it rewards exploration, like with labs and stuff.
I fucking HATE how unfair it can be. Helicopter crash starts you in the middle of a fungal bloom? Better suicide.

>>172580340
was that fixed or is it still in the game?

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>>172609605
DDA

>lot of cool items and places
>no reason to use most of it

>>172609605
Demon
muh pogeymans and wide variety of ability/party synergies
each floor is bland as FUCK with no variety in looks and mechanics (i.e. no terrain nor environment manipulation)

Here's a protip about DDA: It is NOT safe to build a fire adjacent to a building. It is also NOT a good idea to ignore pain warnings when standing next to a fire. You should also NOT try to run through a fire to escape.
In other news, DDA fire is some sort of million-degree hell-inferno that vaporises you the second you touch it.

>>172610768
It actually takes a long while to vaporize you, it's just that it quickly stacks pain so when you move onto the flaming 400 movement tile, you take 6 turns instead of 4.
It was nerfed since the stable.

>>172610768
Pretty sure everybody kills themselves once by accidentally setting a building on fire.

Should I just kill myself if I can't beat DCSS?
Bare in mind I refuse to play instawin class combos, though I suppose that doesn't make it any better.

>>172611208
>tfw I saw a guy who had 5500 games played over quite a few years without a single goddamn win

I just don't understand this mentality.

I suppose, in the grand scheme of things, the people who constantly lose are more attached to the game than people who frequently win. But it's still so bizarre to see.

>>172611564
PCB's most prolific player Hugo has 1 win and 600 losses, all of them filed on the ladder.

The ladder has 2000 filed characters in all.

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/rlg/ I can't decide what I think about charging for a roguelike. I get that people want to make money off their work, and I've play some games enough that I wouldn't feel bad about paying for them - but there's so many of these titles out there and the best ones are completely free. Does anyone else wrestle with this? Is this unique to the genre?

So I made myself a charcoal kiln with some rocks in C:DDA and now im cutting down trees to fill it. Only problem is, moving the 300+ items i get from chopping a tree into planks takes several in game hoours to move it from the forest over to the kiln using advanced inventory. Is there any way to speed this up?

>>172612242
Make cart
Fill cart
Don't make planks

>>172612382
Make logs instead im assuming?

>>172612242
Get a vehicle. Ideally you can find a working car or something, but you can make a crappy sled out of wood if needed.

Anyone know of any other "active skill" based roguelikes like ToME4? Bonus points if it's got towns with tons of features like Elona+.

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That's the last time I pick up a named weapon in this game.

>>172613903
Other named weapons are OK, it's just turox that does this shit.
The next worst thing is Vermis teleporting your enemies away.

>>172604872
darren grey is the guy who USED to host roguelikeradio podcast

mark johnson is the guy who currently hosts roguelikeradio, and also the one responsible for 3millionlinesofpythonin1file the game, aka Ultima Ratio Regum
also he holds multiple shmup world records and has a PHD in videogames

>>172612137
All the good titles have been sifted out over the past 2 decades, though. If you compare the genre to genres that people traditionally paid for, you'll find that the paid genres have a far higher volume of good titles than roguelikes do. If roguelikes had traditionally pursued a paid model back in the 90s, we'd have a much better spread of games than we currently have - and they'd be functional out of the box, rather than taking multiple forks just to ensure maximum playability, like *crawl, *band, Elona+, CDDA.

So when you look at it, the best games in the genre have been given time to "cook" thanks to being freely available. Could this still happen with a paid model? Doubtful. But over a period of 20 years we'd probably get at least a few games better than what we're currently playing today. And each one would set us back about 15 hamburgers.

>>172587976
Autistposter is cute!
CUTE!

AAAH FUCKING CHRIST
I DREAMT I FOUND THE BOOTS OF THE ASSASSIN AND WON MUMO
I HAD ALSO FOUND A PAIR OF +1 BOOTS OF RCORR TO DO SLIME
SOMEONE KILL ME IT KEEPS HAPPENING

>>172587976
Anon you're just trying to bait him

/rlg/ what is your least favorite trap to encounter in a dungeon?

I hate telelports.

>>172615161
>least favorite trap
Darkmoon Gwyndolin, but i guess a secret room in the basement of a castle doesn't necessarily count as "in a dungeon"

>>172614830
isn't proper mumo conduct to throw such blatantly OP items into the lava

you're supposed to be experiencing the purity of unarmed combat, not banging your face against a wall until the rng decides to give you a freewin

>>172611208
Just play MiBe

>>172609605
PCB achieves a beauty of grind that's only rivaled by Diablo 2
PCB has made me realize just how autistic I really am

Anyone know how the sleepy trait works? Does it make you sleep longer or tired quicker?

>>172615996
Both tire and rest faster.
In the end you spend less time awake, but sleep in smaller increments which means more hp regen.

>>172616138
Ugh, the way it messes up my sleep cycle is annoying. Always waking up while it's still dark. But more hp regen is hard to turn down

How can I explain to my girlfriend that roguelikes are more important to me than her, but without making her break up with me?

>>172619278
>girlfriend
What's that? Some new monster?

>>172619278
You sound like a nightmare to be in a relationship with.

>>172619516
Imagine the most evil thing in the world, then imagine you're irresistibly drawn to join forces with it as if it were an archdemon.

>>172619619
This isn't a nightmare, this is reality.

>>172620003
Okay, enough (You)s, get the fuck out with your normalfag bullshit or start posting roguelikes.

>>172620003
You sound like you'd rather be with them because you don't like to be alone, but at the same time enjoy being alone a lot because you get to be a bum and play roguelikes all day. You can't have both senpai, especially when you like big strong minotaurs more than them.

bump before bed - even /rlg/ must sleep somtimes

How do you do the "drop a duffel bag and all the stuff in it" trick in DDA?
How useful are shallow/deep pits? Nailboard traps? Should I bother with them?
Are self bows actually useful?
What the fuck do I need to deal with Hulks? I've died before taking them on with molotovs, a machinegun, and a van, do you just have to start chucking dynamite or digging a pit maze?

I've got a few days worth of cooked meat, if it doesn't all rot, and a semi-decent supply of water/drinks. But all I've got in terms of weapons are a fireaxe and a shopping cart with broken wheels I've been using to kite. It's great 1v1, but I worry about what will happen with even 2 enemies at once. I've been looting things at night, but it's really torturous trying to navigate like that and I'm constantly worried about walking right up next to a brute or a hulk and getting smeared. Should I try to branch out into wilderness survival shit? Or just keep inching forward into town until I can find some decent weapons?

>>172610768
>>172610941
The problem is, the game doesn't tell you that "you're standing too close to something hot. This will burn you soon", and instead just gradually ramps up the pain. If you don't pay attention you can easily miss it

>>172619516
What would this monster's tile be?

G? Upside-down '@'?

>>172624139
A grey ampersand you fucking retard.

>>172624139
'™'

>>172606601
It's remarkably stable.
Get the latest build from http://dev.narc.ro/cataclysm/jenkins-latest/Windows/Tiles/
If there are gamebreaking bugs, wait a few days and get the latest build again. Odds are it's been fixed.

>>172624139
&

>>172619278
Dump your girlfriend.
Then dump roguelikes.
You may enjoy them in the short term, but they're distracting you from your true goals in life. You will never reach your full potential if you waste time on frivolous nonsense like video games and relationships.

>>172624173
>>172624796
Contrary to popular belief, a girlfriend is nice to have

>>172625142
Are you implying sexing up a foocubus is a bad thing if done responsibly/

>>172625241
Sexing up a foccubus is probably a bad thing no matter what
though I'd rather go for some monstrous nameless horror from beyond time and space

>>172625352
Sexing up a foccubus as a wizard should make you forget all your spells

>>172615383
I don't know, Implo won with the ring of shaolin and the ring of robustness
The only reason he didn't use the gloves of the duelist is because they still have +slaying

>>172616275
>Always waking up while it's still dark
You shouldn't be awake in the day. How are you planning on raiding towns in the day?

It's 31/3, where's the Demon update?

It's 31/3, where the new Dickery?

>>172626783
Man, if cata was real life, I'd be raiding the nearest city every day.

If cata was real life you still wouldn't move out of the basement

>PK's mod has a several zombies that when they die leave some blobs oozing out of the corpse
>if you don't kill them immediately and end up sleeping in their reality bubble, they end up reproducing like rabbits, lagging the game
who that fuck thought this was a good idea

>>172628127
ssh, dreams aren't for breaking, anon
Even though you're right

>>172628508
>blobs
God fucking damnit, blob and smile things are so easy to fuck up.

>>172628558
>God fucking damnit, blob and smile things are so easy to fuck up.
you mean to kill?
Sure, but so are zombies. I don't want to throw a mininuke at 200 blobs.

>>172628641
Nah, I meant they're so easy to feature in a horrible way. Like obscene multiplication (which leads to tedium) or immunity to just about any physical damage type, etc

>>172628690
I remember finding a way of editing the .jsons to make it so that blobs wouldn't spam around tons of copies of themselves and keep the spawning at a very short range from their pits, but who even cares anyway when I could just stop thezombies from spawning blobs altogether?
Besides, every time I pick up cata I find less reasons to play it.

Intastalled Caves of Qud.
I keep getting killed in the first cave all the time despite it being the first quest.
Also if I just wonder around I keep dying of hunger even though I eat the food from inventory all the time?
How come?

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>>172629713
>Installing roguelikes
>playing Qud
>paying for rougelikes

>>172629821
What's wrong with Qud?

>>172629821
>paying

>>172629925
>pirating Qud
I think I understand why you keep dying then.

How important are equipment tiers in ToME4?

>>172629910
/rlg/ hates paying for roguelikes because a lot of people make the same or better quality stuff for free.

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Okay, so I rolled Sil in >>172556726 and was supposed to post first 10 deaths. So the first one was in the tutorial, but I'm not going to count that. Meanwhile have a screenshot of a character in progress.

How do you identify things in this game? I can already see just equipping is not enough. Do I have to drink potions? Do I have to guess what does the amulet do?

Also the game looks pretty cool so far.

>>172631257
the amulet is an amulet
it does nothing
as for the other questions I'm not knoledgeable enough regarding Sil, but the pasta's pretty good

>>172612242
if you press M instead of . it moves all of that single kind of item in one turn.

>>172631395
>but the pasta's pretty good
Thanks anon, I'm silly.

>>172622174
>How do you do the "drop a duffel bag and all the stuff in it" trick in DDA?
You don't
>How useful are shallow/deep pits? Nailboard traps? Should I bother with them?
They're useful but the moment you find a set of fully plate you have achieved apothesis so you never really need to use them.
>Are self bows actually useful?
All bows are bad nowadays. Make javelins instead. Do not use an atlatl, those things are bugged.
>What the fuck do I need to deal with Hulks?
Lots of armor+skill+a good weapon, a really good ranged weapon, or run away.
>fireaxe
Very gud. Start wearing leather and/or stuff with decent protection and you'll do fine against non-brutes/shockers/hulks/acid zombies. Armor is the most important thing. ANBC suits are godly.

>>172632367
>You don't
pretty sure you just drop the duffel bag and it happens

>>172632474
If you're wearing it then yes, dropping the duffelbag forces you to drop stuff that exceeda your new storage space. This means that you spend numerous turns automatically dropping stuff until you're below max storage, with no allowance for interruption. You don't just drop the dufflebag and all the stuff it has in it.

>>172632650
>This means that you spend numerous turns automatically dropping stuff until you're below max storage
False

>>172632704
Wear a backpack, max your storage, drop the backpack with a zombie visible across the screen. See how many turns you lose.

Repeat with an empty storage and notice the difference.

>>172632812
I did it yesterday
it took 1 turn

>>172627095
FERRREEEEEEET

>>172632812
>>172632874
Tested just now, in version 0.C-6312.
>Dropping a leather backpack: 18s (3 turns)
>Dropping 10l of books: 84s (14 turns)
>Dropping a leather backpack AND 10l of books: 18s (3 turns)
>Dropping a leather backpack, causing some items to tumble to the ground: 18s (3 turns)
As it should be?

>>172635940
Yeah, anon is just an idiot who needs to spend time in the stupid boy corner

THE PHARAOH HAS NO CLOTHES

>Weldan/mechanatan in cdda
>Game doesn't notify you of hunger/thirst
>Suddenly you realize it's night and you're Very Hungry and Very Thirsty
Kind of like real life whenever you're nerdbinging on something

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>(In 0.20, Ogres are scheduled to get their Mace and flail aptitude nerfed from excellent (3) to below average (-1), in exchange for get better ability to focus individual spell schools (-3 to -1 for all individual spell schools)