/sthg/ - Sonic the Hedgehog General

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>>172527624
K N U C K L E S T H R E A D

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How can Sonamy fags even compete?

Sonic a slow.

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FAST

>>172527715
We've been having Knuckles threads pretty often, actually. Not that I'm complaining.

>>172527730
Well, both characters in SonAmy are still gonna be around. :P

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>>172527624

>>172527730
They can't

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>>172527730
We have cute animu. What do you have?

https://youtu.be/IyIEY8drcXg

>>172527840
Chuckles.

>>172527730
>How can Sonamy fags even compete?
They can't.
The comic could end and Sonic will still have officially been in a relationship with Sally but never with Amy.

>>172527730
This is the last time they ever kissed. I don't think them being in a relationship was ever brought up again.

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>>172527957
In all fairness, given the way Sonally turned out in the comic, it was for the best SonAmy remain non-canon in the comics. That being said as someone who likes Sonic & Sally (as friends) it kinda sucks that couple was such a trainwreck in the comics.

>>172527868
You have a point.

>>172528023
>This is the last time they ever kissed.
Remind me again when Sonic and Amy passionately kissed... I'll wait

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don't mind me, just simple sallicole fag minding his own business with his dead ship

>>172528192
Rekt

>>172528192
DELETE THIS!

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>>172528192
>>172528231
I wasn't even in the debate, I was just pointing it out, ship-for-brains.

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>>172527624
How can Knuckles even compete?

>>172528338
He's a big Robot

>>172528192
They never kissed, but they didn't shit up a comic like Sonally. Sometimes it's great to be non-canon & good, than canon & a shit.

>>172528437
Golden age sonally is fine.
Golden age Sonamy would have been fine too, but alas it just isn't meant to be

>>172528437
Ian's pre-reboot run with them has GOAT chemistry.

>>172528437
Good point. If Sonally had issues in the comic, I can only imagine how bad Sonamy would have been.

People realize the only reason there's not more focus on relationships is because Sega has strict mandates, right?
Ian has stated multiple times across multiple interviews that he wants to push them harder but his hands are tied. He's also stated that Sallycole will never happen because for all intents and purposes, "Sally will always be Sonic's girl".

>>172528484
>>172528521
Hey, I'll be the first to admit that pre-boot Ian SonAlly had its cute moments. But it's hard to look over the amount of crap it had before it (although I'll be fair & say that Sonic's romantic life was pretty shit overall for most of the preboot).

>>172528561
In the hands of a good writer SonAmy would've been great, but if it were to happen during the thick of the drama nonsense, I can already imagine it being pure garbage.

>>172528716
No, Ian said that relationships have weighed down the books for years and there was too much drama and shipwars over shit that didn't matter in the context of Sonic the goddamn Hedgehog. He said he's done with relationships in general, except for Antoine/Bunny, but that's because they've actually been married for a while.

>>172528716
Actually, Ian says he wants nothing to do with ships, or shipping in the comics anymore. He's tired of it, & honestly if I had to deal with the worst fans from every ship the comic had & the worst fans of every ship the comic didn't have, I'd be sick of it too.

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The Great Debate

>>172528892
Saturn version is superior in literally every aspect aside from load times. Even the soundtrack is equally great if not better.

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>>172528716
It fucking hurts. Sonic's true love is adventure. Sally will always have Sonic as a cool bro, but she deserves a good and pure computer girlfriend who has literally always been by her side.

>>172528716
>>172528853 / >>172528856

You're both half right.
Ian has given interviews as recently as mid 2016 where he admits at this point relationships for the game characters are pretty much out of the question. However, he has been very clear that this has more to do with fan issues with the comic and mandates than his personal direction.

>>172529016
I actually met Ian at a con about a year and a half back and got to talk to him for a good 10 minutes or so and he essentially said mostly that. He said in the preboot era relationships defined the progression of the comic and when he picked it up it made sense to continue that trend, but with the reboot he has chosen to focus more on the overarching stories carrying their own weight. He did say though that there would still be more relationship focus than there currently is (zero) of he had complete creative control, but it wouldn't be preboot levels.

>>172529171
That's really what I'd like desu. A happy medium.

>>172529171
Oh I should elaborate on one thing.
By "relationships" Ian didn't mean just dating, but rather any dynamic that exists between any two characters as they interact. There'd be more of that in general (in edition to some bf/gf stuff) if he had his way but the current comic is less focused on those interactions and more on the story carrying it's own weight. It's not necessarily a bad thing, it's more just a different way to write.

>>172528892
I have always thought the Genesis version is better in literally almost every way

>>172529171
That would be fine, I suppose. Regarding romantic relationships, I personally think Sonic should stay single (although he could have some cute moments with Amy/Sally/whoever), but if you were to put game characters in a relationship, it would be best to have it not dominate the comic like it has before, while still letting them have their moments together.

>>172529370
It's funny, because the dynamics between a lot of the characters has been one of my favorite parts of the reboot so far. Sonic's with Tails, Knuckles & Amy, Sally's with Nicole, Rouge with Knuckles & Shadow, etc. have all had great moments together & I wonder what it would be like if that got more focus in the comic.

>>172528892
>Genesis
Rusty Ruin
Spring Stadium
Diamond Dust
Gene Gadget
The Final Fight

>Saturn
Green Grove
Volcano Valley
Panic Puppet
Special Stage

>PC
Lol

>>172529549
I want more Knuckles/Sonic Broing out

>>172529437
Genesis version
>Glorious Senoue soundtrack
>no load times

Saturn version
>Glorious Jacques soundtrack
>better control
>better graphics
>more atmosphere to distract from the shitty gameplay

>>172529631
I like most of 3D's gameplay and level design, I just hate the platforming more than anything else on Earth

>>172529631
Oh, forgot to mention
>Saturn has the best special stages in the franchise

>>172529719
I think all half pipe special stages are shit.

>>172529752
>I think all half pipe special stages are shit.
I somewhat agree.
Blue sphere and UFO chase have issues, but I like that the user always has control. If they lose, it's their fault, not just because they haven't memorized the one rails pattern enough.

>>172529752
I actually think Sonic 4 episode 2's special stage does the half pipe best, but yeah I prefer blue sphere

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We might be split on what our favorite special stages are, but at least we can all agree what the WORST special stage is

>>172528378

If I remove this Chaos Emerald from your power core, would you die?

>>172529975
It would be extremely Nah he's fine. He's in Sonic Adventure waiting for a tune up

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>>172530057

>>172530057

Are you sure that's the same Metal Sonic? I mean at this point Robotnik has made at LEAST three.

And one Robo-Tails, but we don't talk about that.

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nth for our boys not doing the soundtrack for forces

>>172530187
I think Mecha Sonic in 3K is just the mk. 2 of the silver sonic in Sonic 2.
I'm assuming the Sonic Robot in Sonic Adventure next to Metal is a reference to both of these sonic bots as Metal is there to be a reference to CD.

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>>172529949
>not playing the superior port

>>172529631
What was the last Sonic thing Jacques did? All-Stars Racing Transformed?

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>>172530594
>tfw

>>172530658
Holy shit. How does it run?

>>172530630
Technically he contributed to Sonic Boom.

>>172530306

Technically not wrong. "Silver Sonic" is actually Mecha Sonic canonically, so Mecha Sonic in S3&K would automatically be an upgrade or new model of it.

Fighters had Mecha Sonic model 29.

>>172530726
It runs OK.
The frame rate seems about the same as the GBA version but as you can see, the field of view is fucking tiny.
The sound is also somehow even worse.

The worst part is the controls. Using the number keys to jump or do anything really is just awkward.

still better than Sonic 1 GBA

>>172530952

Yeah, some handheld consoles I can't help but feel didn't do well because maybe they weren't released at the right time.
I feel the PSP-GO is a good example. At the time people were losing their shit over not being able to get physical copies of their games and everything being DL only.
But look at the state of things now.

The Nokia N-Gage... is not one of those handhelds.

>>172531114
There was supposed to be an N Gage 2

>>172531114
I'm still a retailfag, but I won't deny that digital has its benefits

So I've figured out what my least favorite thing about Advance is: the music.

This just doesn't sound like upbeat sonic music to me that makes me want to explore and go fast.

https://youtu.be/tyCIOyW7_I0

>>172531334
Literally elevator music

>>172531157

That right there is the dictionary definition example for the phrase "To throw good money after bad".

>>172531196

For me, the real downside to GO in this day and age is that it's screen was smaller than the PSP.
I mean that massive widescreen for me was the PSP's main selling point. It was easily the same size as both the DS screens put together and it made hunting Tigrex's in Monster Hunter so good.

I cannot for the life of me figure out what went so cataclysmically wrong for the VITA. Maybe the second touchpad was a step too far?
Them losing the MH franchise was probably the biggest killer though. That game extended the PSP's lifespan by actual years in japan.

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>>172531510
I used my PSP for everything. Music, movies, you name it. I've since gotten a smart phone and an MP3, so it's lost some of its purposes, but I've recently hacked it to play Genesis and snes games and it's pretty comfy.

I never had a PSP go varient, but I can see the benefits of having download able games on handheld. Carrying games around with you when you're on the go can be annoying.

>>172531682
>but I've recently hacked it to play Genesis and snes games and it's pretty comfy.

What SNES emulator are you using? I've got a Gen, NES/SMS/GB, GBA and NGP emulators on mine, but I heard that compatability for SNES stuff is still pretty bad for PSP.

>>172531334
I thought 2's soundtrack definitely sounded like it was meant for FAST

https://youtu.be/UDY6Kuicnv8

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>>172531801
I have s9xTYLmecm.
It's not the newest one but it handles save states the best I've heard.
Yes, SNES emulation on PSP is pretty lackluster. In the process of hacking my New 3DS so I can use that for snes on the go instead.

The problem with s9cTYLmecm is you have to fiddle with graphics settings for each individual game to get it to function in a decently playable state.

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>>172531906

>>172531906
The pacing of the music sounds better but that sound quality Holy sheeeeet

And people say I'm crazy that I don't like the Advance and Battle music.

>>172528892
Saturn, duh

>>172529949
That's not CD

>>172528892
I'd say Genesis but it was also my first video game sooooo

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>>172532120
This is why the PSP is one of my favorite handhelds.

I have every NES, SNES, GB, and GBA game on it, as well as every Genesis game. Some SNES and GBA games are wonky, but it's pretty awesome.

Are the Sonic Game Gear games worth playing? Never tried them.

>>172532708
8 bit sonic is a must play experience if you're a fan of the Genesis games and platforming in general.

If you're emulating, MAKE SURE YOU GET THE MASTER SYSTEM VERSIONS AND NOT THE GAME GEAR VERSIONS!!!
MS versions have bigger view fields. Yes, this makes a big difference.

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>>172532834
Pic VERY related

>>172532708

Well, 8-Bit Sonic was my childhood, so I might be biased but yes.

Sonic 1 has decent levels, decent colors for an 8-bit console (MS/GG always had a better color pallete over the NES) and I think the superior soundtrack compared to it's 16-bit brother.

Labyrinth and Scrapbrain have especially good themes.

Sonic 2 isn't as good, but it's still a pretty great timewaster. Also, there are 1-Ups literally everywhere.
Oh, and because there is literally no way to know this, the Gimmick Mountain Chaos Emerald is hidden through a passage which is behind a fake wall. It's found going up some steps leading to a vertical bit with a spin-disc on it.

Never played Sonic Chaos.

>>172532921
These graphics look very impressive for an 8-bit game.

Like, this looks better than any of the Mario trilogy games

>>172533051

SMS was a good console. It just... never sold outside of Britain and Brazil, and in the latter everyone played bootlegs.

Shame really. Castle of Illusion, Assault City*, Asterix, Sonic 1 & 2 and Alex Kidd in Miracle World are great great games with really nice soundtracks because the SMS team music arranger had a real knack for getting the most out of the sound chip.

Pretty much EVERY Disney game on that console is sound as a pound as well.

*I'm aware that I am the only person in the universe that thinks this.

>>172533374
How well do master system games play on the Genesis backwards compatibility add on?

>>172528214
fuck off yurifag. Enough with your superiority complex

>>172533597

I honestly have no idea.

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>>172535091
Anon why are you projecting? Not everyone who posts their ship has a superiority complex and the post implied nothing of the sort. Don't be so insecure.

>>172533597
tl;dr for Sonic games specifically: they work perfectly. There are more issues the further down into the early Sega rabbit hole you go, but at that point you might as well just get a Master System itself.

Just be aware that the power base converter was designed to fit model 1 Mega Drives, so it won't fit model 2s unless you mod or disassemble the exterior case, which is easy to do but angers enthusiasts. There is a power base converter designed to fit model 2s, but it was Europe-exclusive and doesn't have a card reader (which I don't think matters for Sonic anyway).

Or you could just emulate them.

>>172537226
I have my trusty model 1 Genesis and wouldn't ever dare think of using a model 2. So I think I'm good

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>>172537031
I'm not big on Amy at all because it seems like every incarnation of her after Adventure was suffering (Sonic X Amy was an obnoxious hammer-happy tsundere, Boom Amy ended up being the generic 'straight girl', etc) and I still kind of stand by the Archie Sonic reboot being the only other media besides Adventure to do her character in an enjoyable way with a nice balance of unique traits without making her straight obnoxious or hilariously bland.

I can kinda see why you guys like her, though.

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Reposting since it was fairly late in the last thread when I finished it. Hope ya'll like it

>>172527771
We have?

I liked the Advance soundtracks, all three equally, even with Advance 1's reused tracks

>>172538765

What about Fleetway Amy?

>>172541124
Not all that familiar with her. I just know she has a bow (?) and doesn't seem to give a shit about Sonic. Would you say she's an improvement?

Am I the only one that thinks Fleetway fucking sucks? And the Online fags just made it worse.
And by the way I hate Archie too so don't pull that bullshit.

>>172541408

I would say all of Fleetway's Sonic the Comic is an improvement.

>>172541638

It had it's problems. Early artwork is abysmal, and the sidestories they introduced later on when they stopped doing mini-series about other SEGA games bored me to tears.

But there is a very real middle part in that, with great artwork, guest writers, and decent storylines that is very very good.
I think the part where Robotnik takes over the planet is where it starts to improve drastically.
Plus Streets of Rage by Millar, the Ecco Comic that not only didn't try to deviate on the games COMPLETELY BATSHIT story but actually doubled down on it, and remarkably consistently good Decap Attack comics.

Personally I liked how it ended with Robotnik completely burnt out over getting beaten like a drum Every. Single. Time over the course of the entire comic run and just not giving a fuck anymore and unleashing Chaos from SA1 with no plan, just wanting to watch the whole world burn.

>>172541638
Nah, I hated pretty much everything about it when I read through the scans too.

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>>172527730
DELETE THIS RIGHT FUCKING NOW

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>172541408
Not them but Fleetway Amy is pretty bland in my opinion. I vastly prefer Adventure Amy or Post Reboot Archie Amy.

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HOLY FUCK

WHAT

WHAT

>>172543068
Geez Anon, calm down, it's almost guaranteed to be a one-off character that's never mentioned again.

>>172527730
I never was really a fan of Sonally, despite it being canon in SatAm and Archie. I can tolerate it but I prefer Sonamy, despite it being hinted at most.

>>172543068
Tails is in a relationship in Boom. Eggman has a brother in Boom.
I'm beginning to think all of these Sega mandates Ian is always talking about don't actually exist. Why would they be any different for this show than they are for the comic?

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iijUfKUaVwY

>>172543581
You have to remember Sega isn't exactly one of them brightest companies around.

>>172543675
DUBS IF SILVER THE HEDGEHOG IS SANS UNDERTALE

>>172543581
One is a cartoon with literally almost zero continuity, the other is a long running comic series that tells an actual story. Also Boom is Boom. No one ever said Boom has to match Modern Sonic's world.
I'm pretty sure Zoey hasn't been mentioned at all since Tails's Crush.

>>172543881
Actually, Zooey was mentioned by Tails in a recent ep.

>>172543881
>I'm pretty sure Zoey hasn't been mentioned at all since Tails's Crush.
You are certainly wrong.

>>172543068
IT'S MARI ... O?

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Naoto Ohshima posted a photo of the original 3d models for Sonic on his social media last night. IIRC these were used as a reference for Sonic 1 and CD sprites. Man I wish I could see one of these...

>>172543881
She's been mentioned at least twice and appeared in Blackout.

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>>172543068
B A S E D
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>>172543581
Probably because the comic versions of the Sega cast are supposed to resemble the game versions, while Boom is and has always been its own thing, and Sega has made a point of telling people this. Also, lack of continuity means you never have to bring it up again

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>>172543068
>>172544452
Ah, I knew the Boom team wouldn't disappoint.

>>172538765
Reboot Amy is one of the only things I enjoy more in reboot than preboot.
Somehow they found a way to make me hate sally even more for instance.

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Forgive me about getting autistic about the lore, but I still have some questions:

Since the Chaos Emeralds are the most powerful set of artifacts in the entire Sonic series and don't have any definitive origin, how can the Master Emerald, which was created by the gods as a counter/interface to them, have as much power as they do?
The upper limit of the Chaos Emeralds' power has really never been reached, so how something that can match their power -- let alone surpass it -- exist?

>>172543068
Is that Maria's Daddy?

>>172544938
DESU they should've dropped the princess angle with Sally. Or made it even clearer she's a horribly, horribly flawed person who isn't qualified to lead and she has an arc where she realizes this. Having the FFs break apart for good and having them off doing their own thing could be interesting

>>172545104
in most games, the Master Emerald isn't more powerful than the chaos emeralds. it just counteracts them. The most we've seen it do is power robots and make an island float.

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>>172543068

>>172545104
Depends on what game you're referencing.

There's multiple chaos emerald sets in the original trilogy for instance.

In the later games there's only 7.

>>172544938
>>172545172
I like Sally a lot better now, but I DO think they should tone down her emotions. She has to cry like every other arc because she fucks up a little and it's grating. The rest of her character feels a lot more cohesive however in my opinion.

>>172545298
Eggman VS. Gru when?

>>172545172
It's becoming more and more obvious to me that the core of Sally's character was always being Sonic's love interest. That's was who she was, and that's what she was there for.
Now that that's off the table via mandate, she literally serves no purpose. She's just... there, and that makes her more annoying than ever.

Well, I guess not more annoying than dark ages Sally, but I went back and read some of the issues right before she gets roboticized and she was actually pretty pleasant to have around.

>>172545314
This always gets me thinking.
Knuckles literally takes the 7 chaos emerald from South Island off of Sonic and hides them in Angel Island's special stages. The emeralds you're getting in Sonic 3 are not actually native to the island, they're the ones you already had. At least until the supers come into play.

>>172545607
She and Sonic had a good dynamic going on preboot. Postboot, we don't get to see all the Freedom Fighter dynamics.

>>172545607
That's why they should change the core of her character. We also have the confident self assured action princess in Blaze. Maybe have Sally be the irresponsible Daddy's girl princess instead

>>172544503
I want one

>>172545869
That's too out of character. Sally's shown to get high strung, so that could be played up a bit more.

She doesn't really do much princessy stuff anyways. She gets her hands dirty.

>>172545831
And we probably won't since the comic is most likely dead.

>>172546071
>>172546071
But we have a princess that gets her hands dirty already. I firmly believe that with the reboot, they could've afforded to mess with the cast more than they did

Take some,risks, try new things with the FFs

>>172544503
I saw that yesterday. He was even nice enough to reply to some fan questions. He seems pretty chill.

>>172544372
>>172544394
>>172544620
Alright, so I'm not caught up, sue me.

>>172545271
I got the info from the sonic wiki, so saying that the M.E. is more powerful than the Chaos Emeralds might be an overstatement.

>>172545314
>>172545747
>multiple sets
in hindsight, perhaps it's just echoes of the Chaos Emeralds' power that are being mentioned instead of the emeralds themselves. I.e., each emerald is always acquired from a special stage on every single island (South Island, West Side Island, Angel/Floating Island). Just as Sonic is able to enter these special stages if certain requirements are met, maybe the energy from the emeralds can seep back into the primary world, allowing all the legends of their presence to be simultaneously true.

>>172545160
>>172544825
>>172544452
Maria is Eggman's cousin, not his niece you morons.
Their parents are the siblings.

>>172546292
This is why some people objected to the Unleashed arc. Ian used it to set the characters and locations used in the near future but he didn't do much in terms of showing of character relationships and dynamics. Which was what the issues following Unleashed were going to be.

>>172546292
They kinda did with Nicole and Bunnie, but yeah as a whole I wish they were given entirely new ways to grow rather than slightly modified versions of their old backstories, though I know it's hard.

>>172543849
Sans' name is "sans the skeleton", not "Sans Undertale".

>>172546553
I think the similarities are intentional.

The super genesis wave is described as literally breaking down all matter and energy in the universe and then attempting to build it back up, but it didn't build it back up perfectly. As a result, there are similarities but they're not exact.

>>172546292
Well, Ian may or may not be killing off Nicole. If the comic survives, that is.

>>172546292
The problem with Blaze is that she doesn't actually show up a lot because she lives in another dimension. and doesn't even have much reasons outside of MUH SOL EMERALDS.

Outside of being a princess, Sally is more high strung than Blaze, who's more of a girl with a temper.

>>172546314
>>172545747
>>172545314
Where the heck is multiple sets stated?

>>172546553
They didn't change them enough honestly. Bunnie was mostly the same,,Nicole only got a backstory change. Only one that feels different is Rotor. They all needed to be very. VERY different from what they were before
>>172546595
You really are out of the loop on the fresh memes aren't ya?

>>172546595
I think that that's the joke
At least I think it is

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>>172546724
Each island has different emeralds with different special stages.

In Sonic 3 you start the game with the emeralds you got in Sonic 2.
The emeralds that are native to Angel Island are the "supers" but they're really just a different set of chaos emeralds. They're also the emeralds that get used from that point onward in the franchise. Notice the shape and the fact that they originally sat around the master.

>>172546976
This is how I've always understood it, yeah.

>>172546976
So basically hyper sonic is just modern super sonic. Ok I see.

>>172547154
>So basically hyper sonic is just modern super sonic
Exactly. They just changed the naming to make it more convinient.

>>172546976
The issue is that the Super Emeralds are by and large MUCH bigger.

I'd still say the super emeralds are native to only angel island and the chaos emeralds just got a redesign like everyone else did. And it's just that the Super emeralds transfer energy to you but you don't take it with you like the chaos emeralds.

>>172546976
The shape and size of the emeralds has always been inconsistent (or I guess chaotic). Canonically they're the same emeralds and canonically the Super Emeralds simply don't exist.

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If Mina is a hard counter to Nicole, and Sally is a hard counter to Mina, is Nicole a hard counter to Sally?

>>172547684
There is no consistant sonic canon

>>>172546807
Oddly enough, I think Rotors the only Freedom Fighter who is truely redundant.

Invents shit? Tails, Nicole, Eggman.

Super Strentgh? Knuckles, Big, Vector.

His 'let's just steal the Emerald from Breezie, we don't have time for this when the worlds in danger' attitude we've seen from time to time? We've seen parts of it in Shadow, Rouge, etc.

>>172547231
It explains why Super Sonic's suddenly fighting gods like Perfect Chaos, Dark Gaia, the Time Eater, etc.

>>172547684
They explanation that the supers are the modern chaos makes infinitely more sense than saying they don't exist, because they do exist. They're in adventure because they are the chaos emeralds

>>172547684
>all evidence points towards one thing
>"Sega said this at one point on a whim"
And just like always, Sega remains inconsistant.
And people wonder why headcanon takes precident for so many fans.

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>>172546976
I have always accepted this explanation

>>172547624
They're big in adventure as well, as that pic shows. Then they shrink in the same game. They're magic. Pic related.

>>172547786
I could probably Fix Rotor. Maybe by taking his pragmatism to an extreme, or, perhaps, having his mentality reflect that of his father unconsciously

>>172547879
>Makes sense
Sonic doesn't care about doing that. Super emeralds were just an addition to make a way to collect emeralds in BOTH Sonic3 and Sonic & Knuckles.

>>172546976
The Super Emeralds are the same set of emeralds Sonic had at the beginning.

Sonic & Tails got to Mushroom Hill with the same set of Chaos Emeralds they had to begin with, after recollecting them after Knuckles hid them, and when they jumped into the flashing Super Ring (Hyper Ring?), the Chaos Emeralds flew out of Sonic's hands and onto the 7 shrines around the Master Emerald, become large grey emeralds. Sonic and Tails then reempower each emerald individually, allowing them to transform into Super Emeralds.

>>172548064
That could work.

>>172546976
>The emeralds that are native to Angel Island are the "supers" but they're really just a different set of chaos emeralds.
The emeralds you gather in the Sonic 3 half are the same emeralds that get empowered and altered in the &Knuckles half. Either there's only one set of Chaos Emeralds, or the emeralds that Knuckles stole are just being kept in a vault somewhere that nobody knows about and there's a completely different set of emeralds that just happens to look the exact same.

>>172546976
Also, Why, would Sonic stop using chaos emeralds?
Why would they call the Chaos emeralds in every subsequent game instead of super emeralds?
Why would they work in temples scattered across the earth if they were created only for angel island?

>>172546976
>>172547624
It's been established that just as the Master Emerald can nullify the Chaos Emeralds' power, it can also be used to amplify it.

I believe that, upon Sonic's first visit to the Hidden Palace, the Master Emerald upgraded the Chaos Emeralds' physical forms to hold more energy, but the energy that they held already wasn't sufficient enough for them to function in their new state. Thus, Sonic went through more special stages to repower the emeralds.

Once the job on Angel island was finished, the chaos emeralds likely disappeared into special stages as they always do, returned to their original state.

>>172548396
>>172548534
>>172548632
This.
People forget that the big emeralds are not there in hidden palace originally until you bring the chaos emeralds there. For all intents and purposes they're the same thing just upgraded.

>>172548603
Because they're the same thing. It only makes sense to use the word "super" to reference them when you have to get them twice. Otherwise just call them chaos.

>>172548420
Yeah, I was thinking that. Like, someone like Shadow is pragmatic, but push comes,to shove he'd put that aside to do the right thing. Rotor wouldn't do that. He's a maker of weapons who's pragmatism and willingness to go to extremes to do what he thinks is the most logical thing makes him scary at times. He's also not very trusting. For example, if Cassia and Clove tried to defect to the FFs, most of the members would be suspicious, but even someone like my version of Bunnie, who is fairly cynical and sarcastic and kind of blunt (Not angsty though, she found a way to cope. Not a healthy way, but it worked) would still give them the benefit of the doubt. Rotor though, would tell them to fuck off. They worked for German once, why should we trust them? At least that's what he thinks

>>172547687
Later on these two were definitely kinda cute together, but at the same time reading about Sonic and his girlfriend felt really...weird. Wrong. Disorienting. Sonic having a girlfriend in any form never sat well with me. I'm the same way about whenever he says profound sounding shit, like in Sonic Shuffle or Secret Rings. It doesn't feel like Sonic.

I believe it's the Rush series that states that the Chaos Emeralds have a mind of their own, and the Rivals series that says the Master Emerald is a transcendental object that exists simultaneously in all time lines across the time-space continuum. I believe this may apply to the Chaos Emeralds as well.
Meaning there is just one set of emeralds with a mind of their own that can be anywhere they want at any time they want.

>>172549048
You sound boring.

>>172549048
Preboot Sonic was a very different and more fleshed out character than game sonic, so the girlfriend thing worked there once you take that into consideration.

Reboot sonic is literally a personification of the game sonic we all know. And thus doesn't have any relationships. He's just a crazy fun loving speed addict.

What happens if you gather all 7 chaos emeralds, power them up to super form around the master emerald, grab all 7 time stones, all 7 soul emeralds, 50 rings, the magic gloves, and whatever the hell scourge uses to go super at once?

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>>172548797
I was gonna rebut this saying that the emeralds being in a diamond cut was inconsistent with their initial appearance in the original trilogy, but looking between the cuts during the special stage and on said stage's result screen, it seems that the Chaos Emeralds' appearance is inconsistent, even from moment to moment. It looks like the only reason that they are depicted as a diamond cut nowadays is that they're the most recognizable that way.

>>172549590
Artistic interpretation

>>172549528
>7 Chaos Emeralds
>7 Sol Emeralds
>X Anarchy Beryl
>Time Stones
>7 World Rings
>Sacred Swords
>50 Rings
>Master Emerald
>...Magic Gloves?

Well, Sonic becomes GOD. Obviously. Anyone else that isn't Shadow, Silver, or Blaze just becomes a slightly less awesome Jesus.

>>172549590
Interesting.
Neat comparison.

>>172549754
There's a sonic short that pokes fun at this

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I've got a question. Is chaos control something only characters like Sonic and Shadow can do?

Do you think there's a "Sol control"

Would you count Amy's time stop in Adventure 2 Battle a type of chaos control?

Would that imply that there's a link between Hedgehogs and chaos control?

>>172550234
>I've got a question. Is chaos control something only characters like Sonic and Shadow can do?
We have no idea. Up to the writers.
>Do you think there's a "Sol control"
Probably.
>Would you count Amy's time stop in Adventure 2 Battle a type of chaos control?
It's a gameplay mechanic there to balance out the fact that she's otherwise worthless. It's probably not canon but assuming it is, It would have to be chaos something because it's better than Sonic's and shadows.
>Would that imply that there's a link between Hedgehogs and chaos control?
Who knows. Maybe anyone can use chaos control as long Ass they're pure of heart or some cheesy shit.

>>172550234
JUST

>>172550695
WAIT

>>172550759
A

>>172550046
That was the How to Make Your Own Sonic Fan Character short.

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>>172543675

>>172546351
We need legal anon in this thread.

>>172547786
>Invents shit? Tails, Nicole, Eggman.

I'm struggling to remember anything that Nicole has invented. Besides, they've mitigated this somewhat by making him the weapons guy.

>>172547786
>>172551937
Easy way to differentiate the three from a characterization standpoint: Tails is the creator, Rotor is the destroyer (everything he invents is weapons or other military stuff), Nicole is the creation.

>>172550234
Amy didn't use Time Stop. She uses "Amy Flash" which only stuns her opponents and has no effect on the flow of time. Sonic uses "Time Stop".

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>>172552287
>Amy Flash
Does everyone just feel bad for her and let her catch up?
Or is she using her feminine wiles to stop them in their tracks.

>>172552518
No, it's a seemingly-mystical attack. It just doesn't affect time to freeze her opponents.

>>172552518
>feminine wiles
She's a flat, 12 year old. Blaze has more "wiles" than she ever will.

>>172553164
Blaze is canonically "flatter" than Amy, no matter how Amy's body is designed between each game.

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>>172553164
She's flat and she's 14. She has no "wiles" either.

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>>172553164
>implying any girl is incapable of weaponizing their feminine allure.

>>172553660
ROBOT

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>>172552518

>>172554154
i wonder who made this image. they should really add some waterbarks or something in every panel so i know

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>>172554154
Something about that face Amy makes in panel 2.
Perfection.

>>172551291
Hubbada Hubbada Hubbada

>>172553164
Not in my headcanon.

>>172555464
In my headcanon Amy is 12, but I subscribe to the animalistic aging theory.

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>>172551291
Sweetest girl.

>>172555535
In my headcanon, Tails is a closet homo.
Also Robotnik could easily beat sonic but purposely handicaps his efforts because he likes the challenge

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paxs8Gz1LGc

>WE'LL NEVER LIVE IN AN ALTERNATIVE UNIVERSE WHERE MANIA IS SONIC 4

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Why is sticks so cute and perfect

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>>172555176
Amy is the patrician's choice.

>>172555603
I think that a lot. Because if I was Eggman, I'd make every single one of my robots out of that metal that sonic can't break or cover every robot in spikes.

>>172555837
Eggman is also not a completely evil villain. He's "moderately evil" as far as vidya villains go.

You know. If the comic really is over then a part of me dies.

>>172555761
Because she works on toon logic. She can do things that the other sanics can't on the merit of being mostly a crazy gag character.

>>172555939
He blew up half the moon. And the shattered th earth. More than once if you count the advance games.

I mean damn, he's literally enslaved planets...just to use the inhabitants as an energy source.

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>>172556060
It was the only thing left of the franchise that wasn't completely janked.

>>172556090
Like give eyesight to the blind Gore Magala.

>>172556060
Considering how long I've been following off and on it's gonna suck hard.

>>172556256
>Herms

Who were they referring to when they wrote this

>>172556256
>>172556060
There's always been something about it that's just felt cozy and right. Intangible spark, and all that. Shame.

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>>172556549
It was difficult to get into, but once I found you can pretty much just start with 160 it was wonderful.

>>172556672
>2006
>It's been over 10 years
A decent time for any good comic run.
But I still want more!

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>>172556549
>Eggman will never beat the fucking shit out of Sonic while evaporating all his friends again
>The waifu game will be reduced to pink annoying Sonic and weird CGI lady
>Snively will never accidentally the entire empire just to get told off by his little sister
>Metal Sonic will never be a snarky dick

But worst of all we'll never have these threads talking about it all.

It's over. The ride is over. It was a joy.

>>172556549
Honestly despite its flaws, the reboot run has been one of my favorite Sonic things in the last few years. Great OCs, fun stories, the best characterization of the game characters in the last few years, etc. If it ends, it'll suck.

>>172557017
>pink annoying Sonic

Rude.

>>172549232
I like this idea a lot!

>Tfw playing sonic 3 for the first time in seven or eight years

Those feels man, heck I forgot you could even save. Good shit

I'm glad the comic is cancelled. It serves you shipfags right.

>>172558639
>Implying the comics dying would ever stop shipping or shipfags

It hasn't even been that type of comic in years, anyways.

>>172558639
Jokes on you, anon.
With the comic dead, shipposting will quadruple to fill the void.

>>172556672
>New Kid in Town
>character has been around since issue 11

>>172558639
I'm a gamefag and I ship more than anyone here.
Amyxeveryone

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>>172530220
So Jun's not composing any tracks but just simply helping with production?

>you will never travel the world with your bro to perform music for all your fans

>>172546976
I always thought the original emeralds were just a top down perspective of the emeralds we have today.

>>172556549
This. Regardless of its flaws, it was always a nice, comfy read, well mostly. Just really enjoyable
>>172557665
This. It's what got me back into Sonic, and I'm a bigger fan than I used to be because of them
>>172556451
Matt Herms, the colorist

>>172561909
>>172561721
>>172561050
Inb4 forces is basically kh

>>172562204
Inb4 eggman brings all past versions of or himself and creates an organization

>>172561721
Oh no. Not another Kingdom Hearts thread please.

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>>172562357
1. Classic
2. Aosth
3. SatAM
4. Archie Prime
5. Archie Eggman
6. Boom Eggman
7. Sonic Underground
8. X Eggman
9. Modern
10 06 Eggman
11 Fleetway
12 Robo-Robotnik (Mach 1)
13 That angry motherfucker from the genesis cover arts

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>>172563320
>Aosth
If these two motherfuckers show up anywhere, I will fucking lose it. Best henchmen ever.

>>172561529
Yep. Shame, ain't it.

Archie is fucking shit and you can't convince me otherwise. Penders, preboot or reboot, it's nothing but terrible characters in a terrible story. Literally no character is safe from its bad writing. Mega Drive and Genesis of a Hero have been the only stories that are remotely okay and they're nothing but Classic dicksucking.

>>172563834
The comic isn't perfect but man, didn't even try here did ya?

>>172563834
Would you care to give some reasons as to why you find the reboot shit?

>>172562792
This is /sthg/ we're talking about

>>172563834
>Classic dicksucking is somehow both okay and bad
Your logic does not hold up.

>>172563834
ok

>>172564006
>every post that isn't crying about how great and nostalgic Archie was is bait
Fuck off. It's not like I'm attacking you for liking it. If I don't like it I'm free to say so.

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>>172563834

>it's shit except for when it isn't shit but it's still shit because reasons

quality assessment, have a (you)

>>172563834
Someone didn't read the Angelo DeCesare issues.

Or, if you have, you simply have no taste for comics. Your loss in either case.

>>172564141
Are you stupid or something?
My point was that somehow the Classic shit ended up being the better written stories, which says a lot about the rest of Archie. At no point was there any instance of double talk like what you're trying to insist.

>>172564196
>Getting this defensive

I'm of the opinion that the comic was shit for years until the issues before the reboot - now, but that's nice of you to just assume otherwise. Here lad, have another (You).

>>172564196
>I don't like it
That's okay
>REEEE ITS ALL SHIT EXCEPT WHEN ITS NOT AND EVEN THEN ITS SHIT
This is what you said, and it's not okay.

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We need the sonic equivalent of xigbar

>>172564328
And another moron springs up.
Read this. >>172564434

>>172564434
>>172564434
>Mega Drive and Genesis of a Hero have been the only stories that are remotely okay and they're nothing but Classic dicksucking.
In one sentence, you said that the Classic pandering was beter than shit but was still shit.

>>172564549
Hawaiin Shirt Shadow?

Archie went downhill when Scourge couldn't come back.

>>172564438
This coming from the one who's assuming I'm baiting just because of my strongly-worded opinion and getting defensive being the comic stories he likes are being attacked.

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>>172564549

>>172564060
there was like two straight days where all we did was post weird kingdom hearts/sonic crossover fanart

>>172564794
You still haven't responded to>>172564491

>>172564739
Yes, and? If I had to choose between rotten fruit and a pile of flaming dog shit I'd choose the rotten fruit but I'd still call you an idiot for giving me rotten fruit.

>>172564786
Eh, I never really cared for Scourge, so I didn't really miss him when he got Pendered.

>>172564925
Ignore him. He's trying (horribly) to bait Archiefags. Let him fade away on his own.

>>172564925
Are you retarded? There's a post delay and I don't set threads to auto update so they update when I finish posting. In any case, read these. >>172564434
>>172564973

>>172563834
This. I'm glad they're dead. All we need is for Boom to die and Sonic will be great again

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>>172564831
I blame the autist who wanted forces to be kingdom hearts

>>172565172
What is this? It interests me.

>>172565091
>I-it's just b-b-bait! Clearly anything that goes against the opinion that the comics are absolutely perfect is bait!
Once again, fuck off.

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>>172565310
>I-It's just an Opinion bro!

>>172565191
At least Boom is self aware and recognizes that it's nothing but a cheap comedy. Archie's writing just makes me laugh because it's so bad.

>>172563320
Better question is who would be the seven forces of light and the 13 forces of darkness

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>>172563834
>tfw everybody either talks about Penders or Ian and ignores the other writers no matter what

>>172565441
>REEEEEEE STOP HAVING WRONG OPINIONS BAIT BAIT BAIT CLEVER REACTION IMAGE

And once again, you faggots keep falling for Bait Zone Act 1. Even when the bait is lazy, you guys still take it. Sad.

>>172565310
Well I believe the frustration is less your actual opinion, and more that you're presenting your opinion like bait. You're allowed to not like Archie (I'm far from fond myself) but you evidently said all of this the way you did because you knew it would get a rise out of the Archiefags here, which isn't cool. You're not sparking discussion, you're just delivering your opinion in an extremely charged way because you know exactly how everyone will handle it. You can't expect respect that way.

>>172565512
correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Xehanort's clone army the 13 forces of darkness?

>>172565512
>Forces of light
>Sonic forces
Kingdom hearts esque plot confirmed

>>172565495
They're both awful and too different from what Sonic is. What Sega needs to do is establish one direction for Sonic in every regard and say "This is what Sonic is from now on" and all versions of Sonic should adhere to that. If,you play the games you should be able to watch the show and know,who everyone is and what the tone is less,than 3,minutes in. Same,goes for comics

>>172565642
No matter where I go on /vg/, people seem to take bait very easily, despite how obvious it is. nepgen is by far the worst case of it, but that is their default nature.

>>172565872
I just find it amazing that despite these shitposters saying the exact same thing every time, people still fall for it every single time. I mean, this is like Knuckles falling for Eggman's BS over & over.

>>172565645
>>172565642
If I wanted to be bait I wouldn't even have mentioned the writing or pointed out the recent Classic comics. I could've just said it's shit and gotten 27 (You)s. Frankly the only reason it may be charged is because I'm sick of people circlejerking over how great it was because of shipping and wacky antics and conveniently ignoring actual serious discussion of poor writing and plot holes and fawning over characters with huge character flaws.

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All what Sonic needs to do is to just literally be Mario.

What's that this franchise really needs.

>>172566121
He should become a fat Italian plumber?

>>172565826
I knew it. Shun Nakamura is trying to be the next Tetsuya Nomura.

>>172566095
Same thing for me. The cycle is clearly neverending and pointless, yet it remains strangely interesting.

The reboot my not be flawless, but I find it a lot better and Sonic-like than the old universe. The reboot actually tries to be the source material and respects it.

>>172563550
Just as long as they don't talk. I cant stand their fucking voices.

>>172565797
oh the humantiy

>>172565849
That's not what I'm saying at all. All I want is good writing and a well-characterized cast. They could introduce Larry the Marmoset and have Sonic be an Indy 500 racer and I wouldn't care as long as the writings good, because it's an adaptation and meant to be different. It doesn't help when the games' writing is stale too.

>>172565634
This is a Sonic thread, not a comics discussion thread. The people here are interested in lore and dynamic pictures, not flat gag strips.

>>172566334
Its still not close enough and has the same shit writing and characters. The lawsuit should've killed it

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>He likes any other shitty, abysmal and annoying friends friends aside from Tails, Knuckles, Amy, Stix, and Shadow

>>172566324
Better than Iizuka trying to be Shigeru Miyamoto.

>>172566457
>Stix
Go to bed, Bknuckles.

>>172565872
>>172566095
>>172566325
Different opinions are such a strange phenomenon.

>>172566435
It's probably going to get cancelled anyway seeing how things currently are. Mega Drive at least should be allowed to finish though.

>>172566397
No, fuck that. The only thing that knows how to do the characters is the games apparently since nobody else can get it right. Just keep it close to the games and you're fine. The reason most vidya adaptations are garbage is because they go too far

>>172566334
Agreed. The characters are more like their game self but done right, the stories have been fun & it's featured one of my favorite versions of Eggman.

>>172566457
>Stix

Why are you doing this?

>>172565634
>Antoine and Bunnie in the kitchen

>>172566457
The friends outside of Knuckles are not needed, and he should be an antagonist

>>172561721
If sonic were to wear clothes I unironically think that a kingdom hearts like outfit would look good on him.

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>>172566585
>Just keep it close to the games and you're fine.

I don't want Tails to be his bitchy Lost World self

Fuck off.

>>172566334
The reboot certainly isn't Penders or "LOOK IN THE FUTURE SONIC'S THE KING AND SHADOW WAS DEPOSED AND THE ECHIDNAS ARE WORKING FOR SHADOW AND-", but it still has cases where the writing is bad, and honestly, if you said it was Sega's fault I would believe you. One of my biggest critiques is that Sonic and the Freedom Fighters can never ever fail ever. Even when the Sky Patrol is attacked and Eggman mounts a pronged assault and gains a huge advantage, all it takes is Sally yammering about muh teamwork for one page and then suddenly they just win.

>>172566816
Anon, are you really about to take the bait again?

>>172566585
The games have terrible writing in some cases too. Or are you really going to defend Lost World or, even worse, defend 06?

So, what is you favorite & least favorite Boom episode so far?

>>172567172
Still better than Archie at its best

>>172567172
But 06 had the best Shadow.

>>172567295
Eh, I couldn't tell you my favorite, but my least favorite is a tie between Fuzzy Puppy Buddies and Tails's Crush.

>>172567306
Oh, hell no. I'm drawing a line in the sand. Archie is irredeemable but even it has better writing than fucking Sonic 06. Sonic 06 is an abomination. An affront to all that is good in the universe. A cancer on humanity. Right up there with mass genocide in the "Things We Can Never Remove From History No Matter How Much We Try" category.

>>172567321
Overshadowed (heh) by the fact that Mephiles is a terrible villain and Rouge and Omega are incredibly vestigial and the "YOU'RE JUST LIKE MEEEEEE" shtick. And also the fact that the ending to his story basically just didn't happen according to the True Story.

>>172567295
I stopped watching when sticks was singing to that one giant. It freaking broke my ears.

Though I watched the Mark the Tapir episode.

Favorite: Probably Cowbot
Least Favorite: Buster

can someone tell me what the hell a "cluster" is. Because, when I think of the word "Cluster," I think of like an unorganized grouping of things. The way they were using it in the show I have never, ever, heard before and have never heard sense.

>>172567295
my favorites are the ones where Sticks is reduced to being a background character

seriously, I love her character design and think she's cute and all but the "lol I'm so random XD evil chocolate aliens XDDD i'm paranoid" thing is so annoying

>>172568020
The Cluster Bot was a cluster of spare parts put together. A disorganized mess made into form. What's not to get?

>>172568032
That's what happens when you make a one-note character.

>>172568032
Honestly, if Sticks is gonna be in the games going forward, I'd like to see her be more of a feral wild character, than a conspiracy nut. I think that fits her character more.

>>172568380
She also needs to be bffs with Big.

>>172568236
So a Sonic character then?

>>172568476
They aren't just walking gags.

>>172568579
Not gags, but they are one note tropes

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God I want Shadow to appear in Sonic Boom Again

>>172567987
>Archie is irredeemable
I don't see what's so irredeemable about all of the writers. Sure you don't just mean Ian and the hacks like Penders?

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>>172565634
Fixed.

>>172568990
No, it's all bad just in different ways. But none of it is even remotely passable

>>172568880
me too. I like when they mix things up. Sonic and friends + the regular villagers gets a little stale sometimes.

I also want to see all of the old characters make appearances at some point. The writing in Boom is mostly decent. I'm curious to see what the Boom versions of them will look and act like. Will Silver be a a klutz, Espio be an overly serious ninja in an environment that does not need ninjas, Vector be a chainsmoking detective, Blaze acts like a typical real world house cat, etc.

Honestly the FFs could be fixed. Their main problem is that they're heroes in a setting filled to the brim with them. Not saying to make them all villains, but I have an idea of how to fix that

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>>172569224
Really?
I thought a lot of the stories Manak pencilled were more than passable. They had a lot of personality and style, and tended to be pretty enjoyable.

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>>172568880
Speaking of which Boom Shadow apparently lives in a cave.

>>172567987
>also the fact that the ending to his story basically just didn't happen according to the True Story.
But Shadow is right where he left off at the beginning of the last story .

>>172569881
shadow lives in the shadows

>>172569813
Just reduce them to secondary characters instead of main characters.

>>172569813
So what's the idea?

>>172569224
If by passable you mean extremely deep and profound, sure.

If you mean "enjoyable and not trite and soulless, characterized by wit and skill" then you'd be pretty off.

so the official weekly sonic stream is happening with the title

Sonic Official - Mar. 30 - Totally-Not-April-Fools Episode


Is there any chance something important could happen?

>>172569194
Wew lad