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>>172430739

its to late to start.......ED

How do i mine in nulls? what skills do i use, what ship do i need? I can't into rorq but i can every t2 mining ship.

>>172432494
>apply to join any of the russian renter corps
>carebear away mining in drone regions with the highest yield exhumer
>lose all the money you'd get from mining to taxes that your CEO needs to pay to avoid getting evicted by papa xXDeathXx/Tangra/whoever
>get killed half a dozen times when a fleet op goes roaming through drone space for shits and giggles.

There's also the goons, though you run the risk of losing everything in goon space when WWB2 inevitably breaks out, or Guardians OTG, whose asses are grass the day the goons return to retake their birthright.

redpill me on russian space

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>>172433273
It's the big blue region in the northeast. Nobody really wants it, so the owners have held onto it for a while, and rent systems out to corps who are able to pay, at a steep price. Roaming fleet ops do have a habit of going there, because the locals can't defend themselves, but otherwise it's fairly quiet.

>>172434000
I have a question
If the idea is that only nullsec can be player owned, why does the intro thingie show off the empires as owning nullsec?
Is the idea that players are just landlords or something?

>>172434105
There are nullsec areas that cannot be owned by players.

>>172434105
They don't own nullsec. The players do. Aside from a few regions/constellations that are owned exclusively by Angel Cartel, Serpentis, Blood Raiders, Guristas, Sansha's Nation, Mordu's Legion, ORE, SOE, or Thukkers.

>>172434000
>that map
Stainwagon doesn't hold any space. Kids with guns are Solar Fleet/XDeathX renters and Feyth is rented out by FCON.

I wonder what else is wrong

>>172434798
That map's from two days ago, and iirc it's generated based on data pulled from the API

>>172434975
Yeah sov is accurate but the coalitions aren't. Someone should make a map with standings from eveskunk.

oneiros

>decide to buy PLEX to get sum injectors (even though i have no skills to train actually)
>decide to check how much i can get if i decide to RMT instead of PLEX
>can buy 7injectors for the price of 1 plex
Now i wonder: if i get banned...i guess i would still win because i will be free?

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>>172438801
The best way to catch RMTers is to be a covert developer pretending to sell for ridiculous prices

But go for it

Buckle up for the exciting weapon tiercide update coming next year

t3 nerf when? I want to undock in a hac again

>>172441402
"Summer"

>wah wah i can't fly X because Y exists pls nerf :(
Biomass

>>172441402
Those infernal things should never have been released.

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>that fast align speed
>drone damage bonus
>MIDs for days.
why didn't I hear of this ship before m8s.

>memesis

>>172441402
>hac

you're part of the problem faggot

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>Raven

>>172445383
t. stabber pilot

>>172445742
t. they need to remove retarded permarun active tanked tengus so I can fly my retarded permarun active tanked vagabond/deimos

>he doesn't want to fly cool ships

>press approach
>press f1 to turn on my guns
>press f2 to turn on my booster
>wait for enemy to die to my 300 dps

>cool

Damage Control II

>neural remap available one year from now
What.

Since when was this a thing?

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>>172448082
B-b-but I just spent most of my food money for next month on 6 VNI accounts. Please don't nerf drone ratting, CCP!

>>172447609
I've been playing for years and it's always been that way. Once you run out of remaps, you have to wait a year.

Real men fly T1 cruisers.

>>172443747

It gets better. It can be used by alphas and costs less than a t2 cruiser.

>>172449356

Caracals and blackbirds? Yeah.

>>172449638
>

>>172450368

What's the matter? Your keyboard got jammed?

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https://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/twitch-vs-eve/

>>172451590
OMG YES CAN'T WAIT TO SUCK DIQ OF MY FAV ECELEBS AND SUBCSCRIBE TO MANYY ACCOUNTS XDDDD

HAHA OMG TWITCH DRAMA ON 44CIN IS BEST LE XD

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>>172451765
Ebic bost my friend

>>172451590
>CCP giving free shit to attention whores

make it stop

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>>172451904
dhanks X-D

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>>172451765
You're not familiar with the forum drama in eve? The old forums were a shitshow and this is nothing new. Kind of looking forward to it actually.

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>>172451590

Literally who?

https://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/world-news/breaking-news-quafe-convoy-destroyed-by-caldari-forces-on-caldari-gallente-border/

>seven unarmed Obelisk class freighters
>fully loaded with empty Quafe classic bottles

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>>172451590
>crasskity
>dbrb
lol
>markeedragon
lmao
>zarvox
*autistic screeching*

Rest are literally who's and pvers. Simply eric

>Added a Total Net Worth counter to the character sheet. This is accessed by clicking a ? icon in the character sheet header. This counter updates once every 5 minutes.

Post screenshots of your TNW. If pixels detected, you must biomass.

>giving dbrb attention

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>>172452976
ur late.
They still didn't fix the market value or it ignores citadels.

>>172452976
I have a character with about 6 billion in modules, 6.5 at most and networth shows over 11. Shit's broken yo.

Unless it counts implants, in which case it's just silly.

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Has anyone here ever extracted a 100+ mil SP char and turned it into specialized alts? If yes, did you regret it?

'inception' target painter

>>172454164
what specialized alts do you think you need?

>>172456409

>howdumbareyou.jpg

>>172456409
R&D datacore farming

>>172456696
m8 at 100+ mil SP who knows how many alts he already has

>>172456409
What I've got is 3 high SP subcap pilots with many duplicated skills. 2 of them can also already fly dreads, fax and carriers but their skills aren't maxed because I've kept training more subcap skills instead of going for the long trains.

I kinda want a dedicated dread/fax alt, a super pilot and a subcap char I can leave in highsec. Maybe a new JF/hauler alt too.

>>172457778

>char I can leave in highsec

But why?

>>172458065
To run incursions when things get dire and as neutral alt

>>172458457

>pve
>ever

Biomass yourself.

>stop liking what I don't like

>>172452598
>>crasskity
>forms a fleet in Horde
>it's full of autists drooling over a girl

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>Horde

>>172461534
>full of autists drooling over a girl
I think I know why the CEO of the corp I'm in decided to leave Horde.

If I log out while cloaked in a safe spot will I still be cloaked when I log back in?

>>172467445
no, your ship will decloak, warp to a safespot 1 million kilometres away and then disappear when you log out. when you log in, it will warp to where you logged out, but with all your modules inactive

>>172467639
Gotcha, thanks.

>haven't played eve in over a year
>remember it went f2p recently
>oh let's see how it is
>login
>no skill training finished even though i remember leaving a queue of skills of like 200 days left when i quit
>the f2p change made it so you cant have any skill queued that isn't one of their f2p skills

oh my god this is the fucking worst thing, is this their shitty way of saying "don't unsub if you want to keep training useful shit"?

>>172468665
If youre unsubbed you dont train anything.

Alpha clones are more like trials without a duration than a real free to play option.

>>172468816
really? i've unsubbed for long periods of time before and i feel like i've come back to having everything finished training, or am i remembering wrong?

>>172469139
That worked like 10 years ago.

>>172469139
You likely had subscription time leftover when you left the previous times if your skills kept training.

>>172469240
>>172469252
ah okay so it's probably a combination of this

>>172468839
so is training time reduced by half when you're in alpha? or is it that subs actually train 2x faster now?

>>172469515
Alphas train at half speed.

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>>172445458
HELL Raven

>>172469884
figured, though it's kinda dumb. for the training speed to be reduced.

The moment I stopped playing eve the first time i tried it back in like 2007 was right after I hit that wall of "oh all my skills required to do this new thing I wanna do need multiple days to train"

>>172470391
Alphas need to have significant drawbacks or they won't want to plex.

>tfw I thought PLEX was getting expensive around the time I quit because it had risen to over 400m.

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tfw poor

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>>172471287
don't feel bad, anon. it could be worse

>>172470391
Alphas also only have access to certain skills, and if you really did hit that "multiple days to train" mark, it's pretty likely you trained all of them already anyway.

>>172471882
Thats a week 1 wallet or an alt, right?

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>>172465881
>CEO was in Horde

>>172471882
>brave
Was Horde to harcore for you?

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Hey everyone.

I run a public chat channel where I help out new players and run small lowsec courses. If you're a bit lost or just want to chat, drop into 'BAMEC Pub' channel.

(please, I need friends)

>>172475573
>to
Was spelling too hardcore for you?

>>172475442
10 days, I haven't made much Isk since joining BRAVE. I lost a few Ventures mining, didn't have much luck with exploration and died every time I joined a fleet.

I'm poorer now than before joining actually. Most Isk I ever made was 50 mil from salvaging a battleship wreck full of T2 modules in Amarr lowsec.

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What's the best amarr cruiser to rat with?

>>172476168
that's depressing, fit your exploration ships with low align times and you'll make hundreds of millions in low sec sansha space

>ratting

>>172476682
please tell me how else i can make money
i'm this is killing me

i hate the autism of incursions
explo is too hit or miss
production is cancer
ratting is too mind numbing
marketing is impossibly slow with everything controlled by the super rich
i even tried scamming in jita

>>172476851
learn to FC and leech from the corp wallet

>>172476851
get good at pvp

>>172477007
i can't stand the autism of incursions
i definitely will not be able to stand the autism of mouth breathing faggots

>>172477108
how does this make isk?
i need isk to fly shit in the first place

>>172476851
L4 FW missions, comparable to incursions in ISKs

>>172475702
I'm doing this inbetween running missions in nullsec, so I don't have time for proper spelling.

>>172477174
>kill people
>scoop up their shit
>sell it

>>172477183
Isn't that hard to pull off? Seems like it should be awfully risky flying ships suited for those missions into low sec systems controlled by the enemy militia.

>>172477981
You can do some L3 and L4 in bomber.

>>172477981
>find a dead pocket of lowsec with an agent who gives you the missions you want
>scout yourself in with a literal f2p alpha clone
>leave your mission ship there
>fly in and out with covops/travelceptors

>>172477981
thats why you align nigga
align
if the bad men come you just warp away

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>>172477183
but what about the webbing frigs, senpai? do you dualbox a t3c and a bomber?

>>172478306
meant t3d, i've seen some russians fly them in FW but I don't know if they run LVL4s or LVL3s

>>172476374
why are there omen memes? Is it terrible?

What about the Maller and Arbitrator?

>>172478306
You just use bomber. You blitz the mission. Like shoot from 60km and warp off. I never did them, but lots of people from my old corp did.

>>172478541
bad for solo. maller also is, arbitrator is ok but it's just a downgraded vexor. in gangs they're all ok though

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>have not played since 2013
>log on to check what I have
>a drake, about 400mil and 4 plex
>check market value for plex
>mfw they're at like 1 billion each

I don't even know what to do with all this.

>>172478572
i used to run them a few years ago but some FW guy got elected to CSM and made CCP add webbing frigs to all missions. after he got FW lvl4s nerfed he joined PL or HK IIRC

>>172478998
Dunno. One year ago noone had problem. I think that might depend for who you are doing missions.

>>172478997
Blow it all on X-Instinct and Exotic Dancers, Male

>>172477174
>i can't stand the autism of incursions
No chatter channel, mute literally everyone except the FC. Problem solved.

>tfw your CEO is talking about forming an alliance with some other CEOs and invading some minor alliance's sov because she needs lebensraum

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>she
>CEO

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>Sitting in Jita
>buying anything which comes up for a good price
>shipping to null for nothing through dedicated JF service
>scalping nullbears
>running dual multibox ratters while doing this

Who else /comfyJewing/?

>>172483481
Im buying 2x overpriced Hemorphite and selling it 3x more expensive to storyline runners. Basically they are buying 6x jita price hemorphite. I've got few mails from people buying it.

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>tfw tired of PVE and marketing
>trained my cyno alts into PI
>dropped 7b on PLEX to train up 11 more PI alts on my empty slots
>first alts get done
>spend 8 hours setting up 10 planets
>already want to kill myself

i want to know what it's like to have so much isk that you can just drop 7b on 11 alts

>>172484882
>being stupidly rich
>having fun

choose one

>>172484882
It's the same as having $180 in the real world.
Not all that impressive.

>>172483481
ratting in 3 nidhoggurs at the same time is fun

>>172484990
that'd get you a pretty nice meal

>>172484961
>stupidly rich
>7b
nigga pls

>meal
>180$
wut

>>172484882
If I was rich I wouldn't resort to doing PI. The guy I'm selling my PI to is rich, I'm just a sucker that needs to make back his investment after falling for his lies.

>>172485160

#NOPOORS

Is shaking down nullsec miners a good way to make money?

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>I have more isk than you

it's not about how much isk
it's about having enough to be comfortable for your own needs

if you need 2b to survive, find a method that gets you that 2b a month with little effort

if you need 10b to survive, same shit

>prices for Claws have dropped from 27 down to 22

tfw you lose almost 1/5th of your entire wallet in 2 days

>>172486631
must be hard being poor

>>172486780
it kind of is

but it's not as bad as constantly being shit on by people who've been playing for 10+ years and being told to just stop being poor

they tell me about how they make billions doing moon reaction mining, or multiboxing ice mining rorquals, and how they "just make money" with their 4 jf alts

and i'm here just trying to figure out how to make isk by salvaging leftover wrecks from ratters

>>172485436
Startup your own jew buyback to sucker newfags in then

>>172487090
Well Im playing for 1,5 year and its not really hard to make good ISKs.

Leave null if your job is salvaging. Its better to do missions in HS than this shit or complexes in FW.

Roughly how many people flying battleships would I need to blitzkrieg The Bastard Cartel and take their space as lebensraum?

>>172487090
>salvage for a plex
>train for VNI
>refer yourself a new gallente alt
>plex it and get 30d omega on main
>rat in VNI while salvaging on alt
>rat with 2 VNIs
>refer yourself a new gallente alt
>plex it and get 30d omega on main
>150m Isk/h
>20h ratting/month to plex them
>once they hit 5.5m SP they become free
>train other shit
>rat with 2 VNIs while your main is busy doing other things

>>172487464
So like, generally if you have at least a carrier that lets you salvage and loot all his sites, or ideally a super friend, then scrounging after the super youll make alot of fucking isk, like swimming in isk for new players. Knowing people like those beforehand though, yeah eh.

>>172487464
>Leave null if your job is salvaging. Its better to do missions in HS than this shit or complexes in FW.
Salvaging makes about 50m/h which usually takes newbies out of their poverty status.

>>172488015
doesn't it take more than 30d to train a VNI and all the necessary drone skills? :(

>>172488274
>50m/h
Only if you can chain sites and aren't competing with 20 other salvagers ie nowhere

>>172486631
>falling for the production meme

If you bought at 27 you are retarded, if you built for 27 you just made a mistake getting involved in the markets with your built shit.
This is why the market data tab exists.

>>172486150
Scalp them instead, start a shitty buyback, seed all their modules for retarded prices, etc.
For extra punch, make a gank alt to ensure your shit sells.

>>172488015
this. I have 3 omega accounts at the moment, 2 of which are skillfarms, with all characters on all 3 having PI setups.
VNI ratting for 2, Ishtar for the other, Jita jewing whenever I am bored of managing 3 multibox.

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>>172488328
No, you don't even need to use implants or remaps to get a basic VNI alt with cruiser4/drone interfacing 4/heavy drones 4 done in 30 days.

And keep in mind that you'll get 60 days of omega on your main just from referring the accounts.

These 10 year old players have done a shitload of grinding back in the day even if they don't have to shoot rats for a living anymore. They were belt ratting in null making 30m Isk/h tops when a cap recharger 2 was 14 mil.

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>died to an NPC gas cloud

I guess the mission agent wasn't kidding when he said I needed tank

>>172489795
if it is the mission I'm thinking, you can trick it.
warp something that can survive 1 tick of the gas, or a suicide shuttle, then go back to whatever you were doing or go afk for 2 minutes(I think), after that the gas will reset and you can just burn to the gate.

not 100% sure that was the right time for reset, its been a long time since I've done it.

>>172489795
Toxic Cloud Environment > you

>>172489795
Is this you?

https://zkillboard.com/kill/61162528/

Your fit is shit btw

>>172491602
how did you find me?

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>>172491602
That's so cute, I just want to cuddle him

>>172492304
NPCs generate API killmails now

https://zkillboard.com/ship/19753/

>>172489795
>still doing career agent missions

>>172493192
how dare someone who just started this week start with career agent missions?

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hourly reminder

>hourly

>>172491602
That's cute

What's the point of lasers besides >muh infinite ammo?

>>172499121
they're turrets, they do damage

>>172499121
long range, decent damage, instant crystal switching, pretty colors

>>172499598
>decent damage
>lowest damage multiplier of all turrets
>locked to em/therm

top kekkity kek

>>172499707
>lowest damage multiplier of all turrets

no

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Is it better to be a ratter or to be a miner? Or should I become a mercenary?

>mercenary
please explain what you mean by this

because a lot of people come to eve thinking they can be some bounty hunter but quickly realize eve doesn't work like that

>>172501208
Don't corporations hire people for protection?

>>172501454
yes, but those are shit corporations that you don't want to be working with

any corporation worth a damn will handle 'protection' on their own
all other corps with a brain will just disband when wardec'd and remake a new one

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Join Dronelands today!

Quiet deep space, a bunch of system to rent, safe ratting 24/7. Comrade xXDEATHXx wants your money!

>join the rest of the PL ratting alts

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>try marketing
>end up just hoarding a ton of shit

>want to live in the drone lands
>don't really care about ratting
>willing to actually form up to defend my shit
>don't want to pay rent
Who do i join?

>>172504964
Karmafleet

>joining goons
biomass

>>172505175
What's wrong with Goons?

>>172505567
Everything

>literally every wormhole is empty

because hk and laserhawks pretty much own the best ones and make everyone else their bitches

no one wants to bother setting up anything because you'll just get evicted in 2 days

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>nullblob alliance
>guy calls for help in defense fleet
>literally 40+ guys warp to him and instantly blap the single frigate which tackled him

>>172511323
>frigates in nullsec

yeah nah

>>172513448
You'd be surprised at the intelligence of some people that roam null.
I once had a thrasher tackle and try to kill me while I was in a procurer.

>tackle a proc in my trasher yolo
>it only has mining drones
gf :)

>he has never killed a small shield booster proc

>VNI is good afk ratter that requires no skills, maybe should make my second account run sites since i don't do anything with it anyways
>Every VNI fit i see is literally no tank - just shield extenders with resist rigs\one hardener, the only "tanked" VNI was some kind of 71hps shield passive VNI
>When using active armour tanked ishtar i regularly get shit on in drone hordes by cruiser-tier ships (like, "have to overheat if retarded drones spawn 2 waves" kind of shit on, but one wave can be afk tanked)

How can VNI even survive? Or is it better to just rat with every ship in one site and just assist drones (how does that even work, i lose controll over drones on one char and can use them on other?)
Also how does escalation works with more than one person finishing the site, everyone gets it? Randomly gets it? What's the good way of getting alt that can't into ceptors into nulls?

>>172517003
>How can VNI even survive?
Do you know what a speed tank is? Because thats how they survive. They populate Havens and Forsaken Hubs.

>>172517003
>When using active armour tanked ishtar i regularly get shit on in drone hordes
What are you doing? A passive vni has far more than enough tank for hordes.

Why are margins on T3 production so low? With the amount of effort you have to put in to do it I don't understand how there's even enough out there to field doctrine svipul fleets.

>>172510865
>HK and lazerhawks control all of WH
There are ~2500 wormhole systems. They'd either have to more people than the Imperium did at its height, or just raid their neighbours now and again.

>>172518012
>>172518108
My ishtar is speedtanked too, orbits at around 900 speed and cruisers still hit me constantly (like 30-70damage, one wave tanks easily but two i need to focus couple of cruisers asap). Or do i need some 50km+ distance for them to miss me, because my distance to then is usually around 20-30km.

>They populate Havens and Forsaken Hubs.
Does this mean they don't work for dronelands?

>A passive vni has far more than enough tank for hordes.
What kind of is better, zero regen or with purgers? I saw fits where there is only extenders+purger rigs (no resist) and others had no purgers and hardeners instead of extenders.

What are some easy activities for someone to make isk solo? Doesn't have to be big bucks but I'd like a reasonable income. I was thinking of doing L4s in highsec now that I have T2 large

>>172518834
They don't need people. They just have to blob the shit out of you.

>>172518995
Exploration, incursions, mission running gives low(er) income but blitzing\burning gives much more (but takes more skills).

>>172488274
You can easly make 50m/h in 1 day char in FW. And have fun, because cheap pvp

>>172518995
>ratting
>mission running
>exploration
>incursions
Supplement with industry and PI to taste.

>>172519110
>>172519078
Oh right, forgot ratting...just like exploration in hisec it's random but you CAN get some good loot, but you probably have to use sub BS ship so it can get boring.

>>172519035
Even so, how the hell would they figure out that you've settled a hole without getting a direct link to it, which on any given day is highly unlikely?

>>172519109
>You can easly make 50m/h in 1 day char in FW.
>And have fun, because cheap pvp
In my limited experience with FW you can either make money (camping plexes in a fast align frig) OR pvp (warping plex to plex until you find something that won't blow you the fuck out)

Explain

>>172518979
The speed tank is there to mitigate battleship damage, you need to keep your distance from cruisers. Pick something to orbit at 60 that won't put you on top of any of the spawns and don't let frigates catch you.

>>172519078
>>172519110
There are solo incursions?

>>172519228
There are lots of ships that can do plexes and pvp. But for new char you can just do what you want at the moment. Dunno whats here to explain,

>>172518995
Missions+burner missions can be reasonable but it takes a lot of money and SP to make money fast.

You can also go to ass-end of space and find wormholes and relic hacking sites in them. You can potentially die but you can do it in cheap t1 ships and the losses won't hurt you.

Don't play the game solo though, it's just not designed for solo and playing solo closes so many opportunities and makes otherwise easy things autistically hard.

>>172519472
There are pickup fleets for incursions that it's piss easy to get into as a solo player.

>>172519472
Well, no, but think of incursions as of dungeon finder in [insert mmo with DF here]: yes there are other players, but who gives a fuck.

If you only want solo and only combat then you have (from low sp\isk to high) hi-sec escalations, mission running, l4 blitzing, burners, l5 blitzing.

>>172519534
They way you described FW it sounded like you could make 50m/hour as a day 1 character while PvPing. How?

>>172519640
>hi-sec escalations
I've been trying to grind anomalies for these in a RLML Bellicose (instead of caracal because I have caldari frigs at I) with auto-targeting missiles. It's pretty comfy but I have gotten exactly 0 escalations. Am I retarded?

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>RLML Bellicose with auto-targeting missiles

>>172519815
>Am I retarded?

Yes, because a Bellicose is shit and you can use a Scythe Fleet Issue or pretty much anything else.

Also, some anoms escalate less and some don't escalate at all. Don't do the ones called "forsaken" and with other prefixes, do dens and what not.

>>172519710
I think you might not get the difference between "and" and "while". Also I never said anything about earning ISK by pvp. I said its fun in FW, because its cheap enough for new player

>>172519815
Uh...well...maybe you're not doing enough of them? But i remember doing them long time about for fun and escalations werent as common as i get them in nulls. But maybe i just had some shitty dps back then so i couldn't really do many sites (i used worm, lol)

RLML and expecially ith auto target only justifiable if you use officer RLML. Use target painter and heavy arbalest launcher with regular heavy missiles instead.

>>172519876
I just want to be able to pop into an anom, activate the module, and watch TV/do whatever while everything gets cleared out. I honestly have no idea if drones would be better for this, haven't done the numbers. Would worry about my drones getting targeted though.

>>172519915
>Scythe Fleet Issue
I didn't even know this existed. Thanks. The 60m price tag is a little prohibitive but thanks.

>Also, some anoms escalate less and some don't escalate at all. Don't do the ones called "forsaken" and with other prefixes, do dens and what not.
I've heard this before but I haven't been able to find a list of even approximate rates for each anom. Can't even find what they escalate to for most. I don't do prefix ones though.

>>172520178
>The 60m price tag is a little prohibitive but thanks.

As it is, you should not lose your hisec anom-ratting ship at any cost. You're in no danger of anything other than your own bad decisions. It's an investment that you can just sell back as long as you're not stupid and don't go to lowsec/nullsec/wormholes with it, or use it during wars.

As for anom clearing, if you're looking for escalations, scan for 3/10s and 4/10s with probes while you clear anoms. Might get you a bit more money despite the competition.

Also, don't do the ones in 0.9, go lower (but not lower than 0.5).

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How am I supposed to use any other battleship after seeing such beauty?

>tfw my corp is taking on newbies like a sinking ship taking on water
It's impossible to discuss anything, we're probably going to get stomped next time we get into a fight and almost all of them are already showing signs of being carebears.

>>172520539
You see its stats and performance, that's how.

>>172520754
Newbies are an opportunity. If you're so good, herd them and achieve great things.

What corp?

>>172520178
>I just want to be able to pop into an anom, activate the module, and watch TV/do whatever while everything gets cleared out.
Use drones then. Auto missiles are just drones that deal less damage and require restocking ammo.
Worm is cheap frig, Vexor Navy is cheap cruiser, get faction (imperial, republic ect.) drones prefferably.

>worm is cheap frig

>>172521251
>frig
>expensive
Unless you are talking about AT ships you are retarded

>costs around the same as vni

>>172521767
worm is 30m max, VNI is 90m max.

I mean, quick search gave some kind of destroyer Algos that is cheap and has good drone shit (if you have skills at least 3 i suppose) but i suck at fitting so i can't confirm if it's any good for deds. I also don't remember if cruisers allowed in hisec deds, i thought only frigs and destryers are.

>worm is 30m max
no

>>172521870
>I also don't remember if cruisers allowed in hisec deds

in 3/10s and 4/10s and in all unrateds, and those are the only ones that really matter.

>>172521870
Ok fitted Worm is ~300m.

>>172521960
Sorry i didn't understood, cruisers allowed in 3 and 4 and only those matter? And what is unrateds.

>>172521958
>just checked: ~50m
>checked 10 minutes ago: clearly saw 23m
what the heck.

>>172522158
>300m
U wot. I remember having just t2 fit on my worm and doing deds in hisec...don't remember what kind of though, maybe cruiser was actually better for it.

>>172522221
>cruisers allowed in 3 and 4 and only those matter?

There are two types of sites, rated and unrated. The rated sites (1/10-10/10) do not escalate themselves, and tend to have more reliable drops. Hisec rated sites of note are 3/10 (takes in up to cruiser) and 4/10 (takes in up to battlecruiser). When you warp to these sites, you will get a message about their rating, it is supposed to be difficulty.

Unrated sites are similar to those, but they can escalate themselves, and they have more lax ship restrictions in general.

Make sure to google the sites you are doing as some of them have weird rules for drops and escalations (i.e. the loot-bearing NPCs spawn after a timer in some Gurista sites).

>>172522221
oh, you were talking about pve. I was sure its generally about Worm

>>172522370
Oh, you mean unrated=anomalies and rated=ded escalations?

>>172523491
but light missiles on belli is shit and autotarger missiles are shit in general.

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Powergrinding escalations and 3-4/10's in highsec.
>2meta4u

>hml
>no tank
>needing scan mods for scanning hisec sites

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>>172523658
>HMLs clear sites faster than AMLs
>why tank when you can orbit at 90km @2300
>scan mods make scanning 4x faster

>clear faster
>322 dps
>hml application

>>172523745
What's the advantage of using gila over VNI or ishtar.

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>>172523942
>

>guys guys application doesn't matter xddd

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>>172524153
What do you mean?

>>172524213
Missiles in particular have lots of stats that compared to stats of enemy and your actual dps is lower than paper dps because of them. Sticking painters\guidance systems will give better application of damage and therefore more dps than fucking scan mods, use a mobile depo if you can't scan then otherwise.

>>172524443
Rats don't scoot around in ceptors and HML's w/ flares clear highsec sites faster than AMLs and the ammo stack is bigger too so I can afk much more than with light missiles. I fly this ship and I tested the variants, it's perfect for afk isk.

>>172524789
No one is talking about light missiles over heavy, we are talking about goddamn scan mods in med.

HML are shit

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>>172524892
I'd rather instantly tell the WH's from combat sites with 4au spread scan than add 20% to my explo.v. Maybe you prefer it the other way.

>>172525081
It was the fit for 3\4 deds in hisec.

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>>172525179
And how do you find them without probing a ton of systems with WHs, data- and relic sites?

>>172525285
You run anoms for escalations, that's how i did it at least.

plate bellicose

>>172526302
Autotargeting RLML bellicose guy here. Even I wouldn't do this.

>>172524443
But you get almost guaranteed hits, and consistent damage, unlike turrets.

How do we fix maradeurs for pve(since they've been intended to be pve ships) .

>>172529810
give them more drone bay and bandwidth
give them a better tank

>>172529810
They an tank for days but they don't do much damage. Comparatively other battleships do pve way faster and better all the while not having aggression timers from bastion and staying mobile

I'd say treat bastion like siege, don't give it an agro timer but give it all the features of preventing dock, warp, etc

Remove that tractor beam bonus because it's fucking worthless and give it a real bonus

I saw someone suggest that they should have a bonus to polarized weapons and not have to deal with the penalty of zero resists. This would give them a good jump in dps they need and make use of weapons that are currently not used much at all

>>172530027
They already have amazing tank

>>172530027
but they already overtanked if you're using 1 invul and small shield booster, hehe.
Not sure what giving move bandwidth will do, sure having 5 geckos is huge dps but only viable if they make gecko equivalent\add gecko BPC somewhere.

>>172530131
Yea...the main argument i see is that "giving more dps will make them retarded op in pvp" and "adding bonuses that work only against rats is stupid".

>>172530212
>>172530417

a rattlesnake tanks way more than any marauder

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>>172518834
>There are ~2500 wormhole systems.
>implying all the good WHs aren't taken
>implying you can just move into a C5/C6 without paying rent
>implying HK autists won't spend weeks searching for your hole if they get wind that some is making Isk there without paying rent
>implying they won't blanda up to evict you the moment you start playing to win instead of feeding them fleet after fleet
>implying the gudfite meme is true
>implying it's even possible to kick HK out without seeding thousands of characters in their hole
>implying NCPL wouldn't invade your space the moment you did
>implying you could compete with their warchests filled by years of abusing high class WH and extorting rent income without owning a k-space renter empire or having an ironbank-like sugardaddy

Alliance: Hard Knocks Citizens <HKRAB>
Members: 662

Alliance: L A Z E R H A W K S <HAWKS>
Members: 311

Corporation: Inner Hell [-INHE]
Members: 157

W-space died 5 years ago, citadels were the last straw. All of it is owned by a de facto blue coalition that only engages in pretend fights.

>>172529810
>they've been intended to be pve ships
No

>>172530473
No

>>172530795
No

>>172530707
No

>>172530947
proofs

>>172531014
You too thanks.

>>172531279
m'lady

>>172530707
>HK are hyper-autists about owning the C5s/C6s
So they don't care about C4 and below?

>>172530417
>Yea...the main argument i see is that "giving more dps will make them retarded op in pvp" and "adding bonuses that work only against rats is stupid".
I'd say this isn't really an issue. Since they can only active tank and buffer tanks are garbage. The extra dps from polarized weapons shouldn't be able to make them op. It's 5% more dps on average which isn't much but it's noticeable

I wish marauding were the t2 battleships similar to heavy assault cruisers in that they can be used more readily for pvp in fleets and such. These marquees are really for solo endeavors and that's it

>m-m-make it for fleets
kill yourself

>>172530707
Tbh due to keepstars being in wormholes means hk is pretty much un-evictable

The numbers that showed up for m-oeeb were gargantuan just for one keepstar

Hk has 2 of them right next to each other good luck surviving that dps, nuts and bullshit

>xhe doesn't understand that people just came to whore on it

>>172531774
>they shouldn't have a fleet role because I said so

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>fleet of 1b shits that can't get reps

>>172531653
Well i mean, if you just make them use polarised weapons (5% dps) then it doesn't really matter since it's still less than rattle and costs 2 times more.

>>172532182
That's why I said "I wish they were..."

Buffer marauders are trash because they can't tank that way effectively.

>active tank bonuses
>omg why buffer bad D:
kill yourself

>>172532223
I meant give them a bonus to polarized weapons in which they don't suffer the zero resist penalty of them.

It'd make use of already useless polarized weapons and give the marauders a good damage buff they need

>>172532367
so a plain damage bonus

>>172532319
That's why said "I wish they were..."

Christ youre so fucking thick you can't read

>HK are PL alts
>HKPL and other PL alts are in CSM
>CSM provides "feedback"
>PL is buttbuddies with ccp
>game is ded
Really uploads my binaries

>>172532456
Kill 2 birds with one stone and let them use polarized weapons without penalty

>>172532490
>take a cool concept for BS
>turn it into another blobfleet generic brick

>>172532608
So a plain damage bonus

>>172532682
>So a plain damage bonus
God you are so fucking stupid

Polarized weapons right now are pretty useless. The damage gains are not worth the heavy reduction in tank. Let the marauders use them without penalty. This gives polarized weapons a purpose and the marauders a damage bonus too

>>172532367
I got what you meant, but how much better polarised weapons are compared to t2?

>>172532682
>>take a cool concept for BS
>>turn it into another blobfleet generic brick
More like
>take this unique ship but make it better because currently other battleships do what the marauders already do but better and way cheaper

>>172532869

Depends on the weapon system but if you replaced mega pulse lasers on a paladin with polarized mega pulse lasers the dps goes up by about 20%

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>fit polarized weapons for more dps
>but make them not polarized
>so a plain dmg bonus?
>no

>he actually thinks polarized weapons aren't used
>he doesn't play the game

>>172532939
At this point in time it feels like even 20% of bonus damage (not even every weapon type has polarizeds lol) is not really good enough because it it will only make it on par with rattle and cost is still insane.

>>172531453
They'll gank your Drake with 20 t3c but they won't go out of their way to evict you

Maybe make golem pilots "certified bucaneer" and bounty payouts are 50% extra?

>other battleships
>tanking more

>>172533264
So they'd let my plan of using a C3 with a null static as a base for harassing nullsec alliances slide?

>>172530707
What happens if CCP decides to make citadels unanchorable in WH and deactivate the ones already there, as part of a balance patch?

>>172534219
Ignore the "HK evict everyone" memers, they're bullshitting you. People only get evicted if they either piss everyone off or turtle up and hide whenever a hostile fleet appears. Most groups just want gud fites so if you show that you're willing to defend your space and provide the fights then you won't get kicked out.

>>172534731
t. HK

>>172533084
>>he actually thinks polarized weapons aren't used
They fucking aren't. The only time I've ever seen them used is for stealth bomber ganks in high sec and poco bashing oracles. None of the other polarized weapons are used

>>172535134
Amarr is said to be bad because you need a lot of capacitor skills to make them work as effectively as other races

>>172535497
you should undock sometime

>>172535134
Magnate is fine for exploration
Tormentor is ok for low sec FW frigate memefights
Imperial Navy Slicer is a fun kiting frigate
Malediction is one of the best interceptors
Confessor/Legion/Phantasm/Purifier/Devoter/Sacrilege/Guardian/Nightmare are all commonly flown ships

Their cruisers might be a bit lackluster for an alpha but if you like them just go for it.

>>172535626
>hurt during I'm right because I said so
>in 4th some polarized machariel

Nigga I build polarized guns. The only ones that aren't used are polar hams.

>Polarized small pulse lasers are used

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Roughly how many competent pilots would one need to annex one of the minor alliances in the southeast?

>something something lebensraum

>>172535814
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1sp8YDydIRQ

Rattle or VNI for ratting nulls? Can rattle then do 10 drones?

>>172536013
>going against rusblock

>>172536012
>i never saw it so it isn't used

>>172536127
Drone 10 is a meme, don't do them. Run the unrated plexes

>>172534706
What if CCP biomasses all the wormbears?

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>>172536215
>Drone 10 is a meme
>he doesn't buy Zbikoki hacker cards

>>172536215
Not going after rusblock, going after one of the neutral states between Vanguard and the RPers
>>172434000

>>172536458
east=rus

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viable T1 ships when

>>172536679
They're not even in a coalition. Nobody will even raise an eyebrow if one tiny, independent alliance takes over another tiny, independent alliance's space.

>>172536886
Picture not related I see

>>172537065
it's a T1 ship that is not viable

>>172536013

A core of 100 actually compotent pilots, with another 100 cannon fodder, would pretty much let you take a chunk of space anywhere.

>>172538250
you don't need competent pilots, you need people with capitals and faction/t3 ships

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>join alliance with thousands of members
>there's always 500+ in alliance chat
>every fleet is basically the same 100 F1 monkeys led by a handful of FCs
>if the 10 people running everything burned out or got poached everything would fall apart within a week

Is it the same everywhere?

>>172538918
Yes.

>>172538918
It has happened in the past. It's saddening or hilarious, depending on how close you are to that alliance.

>>172538918
yes

>mfw all the useless plebs think they're competent and important

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>>172538918
>alliance with thousands of members
>only about 100 are real people
>the rest are alts and bots

>>172534731
>let us farm you for 'content' and we will let you keep your wormhole

>>172541438
>Not wanting gud fites
Why even play EVE?

>>172519195
Have you ever heard of concept of rolling wormholes? They have a wormhole connection in their wormhole. This connection leads to the same type of WH you're in. They go through and check if it's the right system. If it's not, they close the wormhole and scan a new one. They repeat it until they find you. If they don't have the right connection in their system, they roll a system that has such connection and roll it there. They have dedicated people and they WILL find the right wormhole if they need it.

how do we fix wormhole space so it rewards skill rather than autism and faggotry

>>172541657
Your problem is that the definition of "gud fite" changes depending on who you talk to

>>172541107
Guess it's fun in PL.

>>172541846
Delete statics, every new wh has randomized size, mass limits and connecting system.

Do something with citadels so they can actually run out of fuel

>>172543013
Make WH moons produce the fuel needed for the WH citadels.

>>172543013
approved, foozie pls implement tomorrow at downtime

Plex sale ish

>bought some injectors
>injected them but didn't applied skills anywhere
>want to inject more
H-help.

Post ironic fits
https://zkillboard.com/kill/61177374/

>>172541846
>characters get jump fatigue for rolling static wormholes
>remove WH keepstars, turn them into fortizars and drop the materials in corp hangar
>add 2000 new wormholes

>>172544897
https://zkillboard.com/kill/29682967/

>>172545037
https://zkillboard.com/kill/61174561/

>>172544897
Pretty much everything i try to fit myself.

What can I do for fun as an alpha character?

>>172546676
Gank high sec miners.

>>172546676
nier:automata is pretty fun.

>consolefags

>>172547004
it's on PC

>>172547108
>drmfags

>>172545013
wouldn't they just get lots of rolling alts

>nofags

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>It's a nullsec players try to fix wormholes episode

>>172547178
just buy it and don't be a bully.

>unironic weeb trash

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>>172547287
>they get lots of rolling alts
>launcher forgets logins every 2 days
>managing rolling fatigue is painful
>some players start questioning their life choices and join PL instead to get their ''''''''gudfites''''''
>some burn out and quit EVE
>the remaining autists with their 50 rolling alts each keep the lights on at CCP

>PL
>Gud fites