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rlml range nerf
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6894505#post6894505

Second for Caldari a gay

>HAM Orthrus
>HMl Orthrus
lol no one is going to use this. With how HAM's work, they get almost no real bonus to range.

With how long HML's are you're going to have stupidly long range that you can't even target out to.

Hilarious that instead of nerfing the orthrus themselves they get around it by nuking its weapons. Same with RHML barghests. torps too short to benefit, cruises already too stupidly long to matter

>>172751653
>30km HAM's on an orthrus
RIP
>95km HML
kek, even with 5.6% extra damage they're still shit.

>>172751653
>that you can't even target out to

so fit some target range increases

are you saying it would be better if it had less weapon range?

>instead of nerfing the orthrus

you mean instead of nerfing every missile ship in the game, they nerf the weapon that is actually broken instead

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>5,6% dmg to HAMs and HMLs

>>172752201
>sebos
>on an orthrus
kek

>less weapon range
swap all that useless extra range for some improved application or DPS. 5.6% damage isn't anything worth while.

>instead of every other missile ship
this is a direct nerf to RHML anything. Your RHML raven is gonna suck and its not going to get magically better nor incentivize you to use torpedos over them.

>250km cruise missile bhargest
useless
>30km torp bhargest
kek

how about nerfing RHML and making the desired cruise missile system actually worth using. Torpedo launchers still use fuck tons of CPU that discourages people from using them, not to mention their AWFUL application.

Make RLML's a niche weapon for small targets without being able to kill cruiser targets nearly as easy. Reduce their ammo size from 20 to 15 then jump the rate of fire by 5%. This will neuter their ability to kill cruisers easily due to the reload but still have enough total burst damage to haze 1-2 frigs before reload. Exemplify it as an anti-frigate role. Make the RLML's also have less range than HAM's to stop the bullshit kiting from 40km+ as well.

Same with torps, reduce RHML range enough that it becomes strictly an anti-cruiser weapon, not an all around desired weapon. Torps need to have CPU reduced and application increased so they can stay competitive. Also increasing their range would make them more effective battleship weapons as many other battleship weapons on their short range have as much or further range.

TLDR:
>reduce RLML range and ammo size, bolster it as an anti-small ship weapon only. Neuter its ability to haze cruisers better than other medium size missile systems
>increase range on HAM's so they're better than RLML's
>same with battleship tier systems. RHML should be anti-cruiser only, neuter ability to haze other ships better than the battleship weapon systems
>reduce torp CPU costs, increase their range so they're more usuable

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guys, does any of you know some awesome story telling youtuber? what i mean is just his story in the game or maybe some interesting events that happened in eve when he was on or even in that place.

>>172752984
There is literally nothing wrog with torps, cruises or rhmls

>>172753127
Clarion's Call
Oruze Cruise safari videos

The EVE community fucking sucks in terms of presenting its stories, though.

>>172752984
>kek

if it had massive lock range and you could use extra weapon range, you'd be fitting those guidance enhancers or velocity rigs or whatever with no problem

>improved application
>DPS

you do not need either of these

>RHML

these are overpowered, so a nerf is good

>Your RHML raven

my raven uses cruise missiles, faggot

>torpedoes

yes, torpedoes need their own changes. this doesn't mean there's anything wrong with these nerfs though

>250km cruise missile barghest
>useless

you realise you don't need to sit at your maximum missile range vs stationary targets, right? that's all that number is

>making cruise missiles worth using

they are worth using

>but still have enough total bust damage to haze 1-2 frigs

any cruiser weapon with frigate application is overpowered. if you want to be anti-frigate, fly a frigate or destroyer

>>172753190
Torps have really really short range, outside of stealth bombers of course. Torpedo range is as long as HAM range and thats not right. Other weapon systems take on longer range the higher the tier. See cruiser blasters vs battleship blasters, cruiser autos vs battleship auto's etc.

Torps (outside of stealth bombers) also have really bad application. that 50% bonus that stealth bombers get is ridiculously effective, no batteship gets that except for the typhoon but it only gets HALF that. I'd say reduce stealthbomber application bonus and exchange it for better torp application overall.

You're sort of right, Cruises don't have many issues, they apply fairly well for what they are, much better than torps, have ridiculously long range (left over from the days of cavalry ravens) that you can't even target out to so woopty do. They also have much better fitting than torps so they're often used on battleship missile fleets.

I think RHML's are still oppressive to cruises and torpedoes purely because they have much better application. Enough range to be usable in every facet, and have great DPS.

>b-but thinkg of dem frieeegs

>>172753365
>if it had massive lock range and you could use extra weapon range
Fuck no I wouldn't, HML's still have ass application that CCP won't acknowledge after their double nerf from 2011 and 2013 again.

>yes, torpedoes need their own changes. this doesn't mean there's anything wrong with these nerfs though
It means nerfing one thing doesn't incentivize people to use something that was already notoriously shit. You're running into the territory that all the solutions are shit and no one would use the ship regardless.

>any cruiser weapon with frig application is OP
So 150mm dual railguns are OP? Electron blasters are OP? Dual Focused Pulse Lasers are OP? Quad light beams are OP?

>>172753736
>ass application

their application is just fine. please get better at the game instead of begging ccp to give everything silly application

>notoriously shit

cruise missiles are not shit at all

>150mm dual railguns
>electron blasters
>quad light beams

these do not have frigate application

>dual focused pulse lasers

these are frigate weapons

>their application is just fine

>>172754053
>their application is just fine.
Mix that with their abyssmal DPS you lose SIGNIFICANT portions of your already low DPS to what might as well be a fucking wiff.

>cruise missiles are not shit
I was referring to torpedos

>these do not have frigate application
with a single web they fucking do. Their tracking is enough to haze frigs left and right, have you really never used a dual prop thorax with electrons?

JUST fine

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>lemme just lose over 66% of my DPS to a slowboating cruiser because they're just fine

I unironically have never used heavy missiles but holy fuck do they REALLY do that little DPS?

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CALDARISHITTERS BTFO

>>172754209
>abysmal DPS

their dps is fine

>I was referring to torpedoes

and like I already said, yes torpedoes need changes, but that doesn't mean rapids do not

>with a single web they do

that's the dumbest shit I've ever heard. you can go look up the numbers. cruiser weapons apply significantly worse than frigate weapons. you think that quad light beams or whatever go in the frigate weapons category when they clearly don't

>>172754401
>slowboating cruiser
>743m/s

>>172754563
>their dps is fine
>181 dps is fine
>cruiser weapons apply significantly worse
but my electron dps is so high that even if I get grazing hits which I rarely do I'm able to fuck them up even more

>slowboating
>743
its an omen with an AB

even if the omen was going half that speed, HML's would still lose lke 45% their total DPS

>>172754669
>long range low dps weapon does less damage than my short range high dps weapon
Compare them to rails

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>>172754669
>45%
actually 52%

>>172754669
>durr I fit no damage mods and then my dps is low wtf ccp

>its an omen with an AB

it's a high speed, low sig cruiser with a speed tanking mod you say? and you've put zero investment into damage application? this sounds completely fine then

>>172754786
>>long range low dps weapon does less damage than my short range high dps weapon
Never said this

>compare them to rails
rails do way more damage and because I can control tracking speed with my ability to change my own speed and direction I can mitigate virtually all damage reduction. Missiles have linear, single dimensional damage reduction where gun systems have 2 dimensional damage reduction in the form of

>>172754889
>>durr I fit no damage mods and then my dps is low wtf ccp
The point was showing off their awful application, the DPS doesn't matter

even if you were doing 300dps, you'd be only doing 90 dps because of the poor application

>>172755041
low application is good for eve. it means the players need to actually get good, and it means there is room for smaller ships to play the game

>>172754923
turret damage application isn't an advantage, it's just a difference

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>low application is good for eve. it means the players need to actually get good

>>172755258
>low application is good for eve.


>turret damage isn't an average
yes it is, you have a hit-chance % which results in an average DPS you illiterate shithead

>low application is good for EVE
what did he mean by this?

>>172755451
so when a frigate is orbiting your railgun cruiser at 500 metres, you believe you will somehow hit it, because you don't understand the turret formula

>these are the people I argue with

>>172755356
it's true. when you just give everything huge damage application the game is garbage like right now. there is now downside to being a shit-tier moron

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>markets

>>172755738
>so when a frigate is orbiting your railgun cruiser at 500 metres, you believe you will somehow hit it, because you don't understand the turret formula
>what are webs, also implying I'm gonna brawl with rails, what are drones?

also if I let a frigate get on me at zero like that, clearly I should be killed because I should have killed the tackle first.

>>172755926
yes, isn't it interesting when there's actual gameplay rather than

>lol he came within 65km, I press F1 and he dies

>>172756110
>implying an HML caracal will ever be able to kill a frigate
unlike my rail thorax, you can't fucking touch the frigate

>>172756165
so with your imaginary rail thorax, you have a bunch of webs and shit, but with your imaginary caracal you do not

>>172756261
>with your imaginary
you're the one who imagined I was using a railgun ship

>rail thorax
>webs and shit
>not shield tanked nano thorax

>caracal
>bunch of webs and shit
>inb4 a 1600mm caracal

>if my long range cruiser does not make all frigates and destroyers completely redundant, it's shit and needs buffs

you guys are dumb as shit sometimes

>my long range cruiser does ass DPS, has ass application
>but its all fine because I said so

>its dps and application is ass because I can't just guaranteed kill any smaller ship by f1ing them with no webs or support or anything

HMLs don't even apply to cruisers

>I simply refuse to acknowledge that CCP's double nerfs of the drake and HML's haven't rendered HML's utterly useless for virtually every application they could be warranted in because another weapon system is flat out superior

>>172757018
they don't even apply to battlecruisers

>I simply refuse to acknowledge that people unironically use HMLs right now, and fail to see their uses and prefer to just whine that they aren't what I want them to be

No one uses HML's on anything but cerbs in massive fleets

HML caracals, orthruses, etc are awful

>on anything but cerbs in massive fleets

>this use is invalid, they require buffs so I can solo kill frigs with them

>HML caracals, orthruses, etc are awful

only relative to rapids

please enlighten me on the uses of HMLs

>they need to kill frigs
no one said this

>only relative to rapids
they're only good on cerbs because cerbs get the 6th launcher, have enough fitting for them, get a damage bonus on top of that, and can target out to 100+km to make use of their stupidly long range

>>172757473
POS/POCO bashing I guess?

>>172757632
nah, drones would be better for that because lol no ammo

i use amarr dreads for bashing because lmao no ammo

>>172757473
Cerberus fleets

>they're only good on cerbs because

no, they're only "bad" on those other ships because they are typically used in the kind of random fun pvp where you just want really high application to ez f1 people and fly with whatever, whereas the cerbs come out in larger more composed gangs where you know what a stasis web and a target painter are

>the uses of HMLs

shooting people from range, and enjoying the flexibility of missiles where your damage application is decoupled from your damage mitigation

>hml
>random fun pvp

>>172757954
>no, they're only "bad" on those other ships because they are typically used in the kind of random fun pvp where you just want really high application to ez f1 people and fly with whatever, whereas the cerbs come out in larger more composed gangs where you know what a stasis web and a target painter are
You're fucking retarded

They're ONLY good on the cerb because the cerb gets massive damage bonuses to them, thats it.

>muh fun "random" pvp
you can't come up with a reason why they're good so you just default to meaningless bullshit adjectives because you can't come up with a situation outside of cerbs where they work.

>damage application is decoupled from your damage mitigation
so fucking never? HML's always burdened by poor DPS and poor application is fun? The range doesn't even mean shit when they can extend so fucking far outside your range that its worthless, except obviously on platforms that CAN take advantage of them via the fucking CERBERUS

>you
>able to read

>because the cerb gets massive damage bonuses to them

you're fucking stupid, big damage bonuses would do nothing to make hmls more attractive than rlmls

>meaningless bullshit

it's not meaningless bullshit. you wouldn't bring a fleet-type ship to some random skirmish where you're just f1ing on soloers or whatever

>so fucking never?

kill yourself retard

I wouldn't bring any hml ship to a skirmish because they suck dicks

>>172758469
>it's not meaningless bullshit.
Really? So umbrella terms like "fun random pvp" isn't one of the most bullshit obfuscation you've used so far? This isn't even objective in the slightest. This is how desperate you are to defend a shit weapon system that only works on one ship that gets all the bonuses to male them work well. BTW rlml on the cerberus only get put to 88km iirc where the hml gets out to 120km where the cerberus typically operates

for that kind of thing they do, yes. just like lots of other ships

Rockets + Lights
small shit (frigs and dessies)

HAMs + Heavies
medium shit (cruisers and battlecruisers)

Torps + Cruise
large shit (battleships)

XL Torps + XL Cruise
extra large shit (your mom)

you momma so fat xl cruise missiles can actually apply to her

>hml gets out to 120km where the cerberus typically operates

do you think it's some huge coincidence that most ships tend to use the range that they have?

>This isn't even objective in the slightest

yes it is retard. pvp can be more or less organised, you fly what's appropriate. you don't bring a tanky snipey fleet ship to a small skirmish, you bring mobile flexible ships typically with high application

>>172759078
>yes it is retard.

>fun random pvp
>objective metric
Holy fuck you're delusional

>>172755797
What am I looking at?

>fun random pvp
>my opinions are objective guys
I'm all out of dog images but pretend theres one smuggly looking into the camera

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> Pilots with high security status will gain an extra bonus to armor repairer and shield booster effectiveness

>>172759807
sauce?

>>172759807
wot

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>>172759872
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6894580#post6894580

>Armor Repairer and Shield Booster effectiveness increased by a percentage equal to 10x pilot security status, with a floor of 0% and ceiling of 50%

>Pilots will gain security status faster than normal if they kill NPC pirates while flying these ships
>covops
>recon
>blops
>ratting

>>172759956
Oh my god

so if I have all racial skills at 5 AND the recon skill at 5 I'll run a laser, autocannon, blaster and a missile launcher on the ship.

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>>172760112
>10+ bonus to Relic and Data Analyzer virus strength

>>172760132
yes, except it doesn't get a laser cap bonus

IT HAS FUCKING 33% FLAT RESISTS AHAHAHAHA

>>172759956
>mfw I have caldari, minmatar, gallente, AND amarr battleship at 5

>>172760257
>3 Corelum A-type Energized Adaptive Nano Membranes

>>172759956
>mfw my main that can use all these is true -10
fuck

>76% flat

>battleship with only 5k HP in armor, shield and hull
this thing will be squishy

>>172760745
8/7/7 tho

>>172760842
oh shit I didn't see that
idk what to do with ALL those mids or ALL those lows


Lows max tank, mids max EWAR?

>range bonuses
>tackle range bonuses
>covops
>jump cancer

you have no idea how triggered I am right now

>no drone damage bonuses

>no drones at all

I'll probably fly my pacifier like a slicer because that optimal bonus

the cruiser is a little slower so I think I'll use autocannons, maxtank the lows then fill the mids with ewar

same with the battleship. Capless guns followed up with neuts, tons of fucking ewar then scram, web, MJD, MWD and shit

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Hello everyone, I run a public chat channel where I help out newer players and run small pvp courses when there's interest. Please drop in if you're a bit lost, or just looking for people to fly with.

It's called: BAMEC Pub

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>5.6

>>172759956
>you get the Marshal if you attend fanfest AND EVE vegas

>you must have booked your fanfest ticket before january 1st
wtf CCP

>literally special snowflake blops

>>172766374
>special snowflake special snowflake

The no drone thingy on the BS is pretty retarded desu. Even caldari BS have room for a flight of lights

>>172767380
why is it retarded

>>172767447
Because there is no real reason for it.

>>172767536
it's not like you must have drones

'FC I'm painted'
'PULL OUT'

>>172767941
'FC I'm disrupted'
'PULL OUT'

'FC I'm jammed'
'PULL OUT'

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CCP finally made the stars' light react with things.

>filthy unwashed wreathe

what do you think xenuria smells like?

>>172768576
>>172768960
>warping out/back as a bs pilot
skeleton.jpg

>>172770339
haha :)

>>172770365
>he flies anything above a cruiser

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>>172770339

So what have you done in eve today?

>>172770339
autism

>>172762630
>Crossed the no help needed rope and avoided the self-torture tower
I'm having a lot of fun doing solo stealth bomber roams.

I just did me first wormhole explore, got an amarr spaceship book thingie. Anyone know exactly where I should be punting it?

>>172770365
>BS
>Slow as fuck
>Weaker than some cruisers
>Expensive
There's literally no reason to fly a BS other than a Mach.

>>172772803
What makes a mach so good?

>>172772803
>expensive

>try to solo pvp in a BS because none of my corpmates are online and I need the tank and DPS against the enemy
>get soloed my a merlin

real nice fucking game you got here CCP, real fucking nice. pushing you to get alt accounts, how the fuck do none of you autists get angry at this???

>>172772803
t. blobber

>>172772792
amarr or jita are the biggest hubs. if your inventory says the item is worth an amount, but you can't sell it for close to that amount, then take it to jita I guess

>>172773270
is this post a meme

>>172773270
Post lossmail

>>172773127
Incredible damage and range from bonuses and fast for a BS.

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>>172762630
Why do new players need so much handholding? When I started in 2004 the tutorial handed you a rookie ship with a mining laser and told you to get to work. Two weeks later I killed my first battleship solo in an Incursus. 2 months into EVE I made my first billion (that's more like 10-20b in 2017 Isk) with escrow scams.

I didn't ask anyone for help, there were no ez mode fitting tools or tutorial videos. I learned the game mechanics, made my own setups and farmed Russian haulers in Curse.

>>172775104
>current year
>why do people need so much handholding

>skyrim has quest markers
>youtube guides and walkthroughs for everything
>hints and tips systems
>in game "skip a level if too difficult" options
>pay to win

because the video game industry is catering to a wider audience to increase their profits, which means making games "accessible" to them, and thus a lot "hey, here's how you have fun" bullshit

give people a sandbox and they don't know what to do with it because there's no quest marker on their screen with a guy screaming "RAMIREZ, GRAB THAT ROCKET LAUNCHER AND PRESS R1 TO FIRE IT AT THE BIG RED BADDY!"

>>172775104
>"Look at me, I'm so good" while posting Kuroneko
Could you get any more chuuni?

>>172773940
neck yourselves you fucking autists.

If a 200 mill ship can't take on a 5 mill frigate then how the fuck can you call this game balanced?

>i lost my brawling arty maelstrom without a scram>>172776389

>>172767585
you kind of do to kill small shit, its extra supplemental DPS that ads another 100, 150 or even 250dps

>>172773127
Really fast and agile
cruiser warp speed
battleship DPS
plenty of mids for utility shit
free highslot for neuts
plenty of lows for max tank

this is practically a battlecruiser in a battleship package

>brawling arty maelstrom

>>172776389
>If a 200 mill ship can't take on a 5 mill frigate then how the fuck can you call this game balanced?

>i don't actually understand how the game works, if it's more expensive, that means, it's good, right?

>>172776961
kill youreself my dude

isk takes a lot of time to make and by virtue of that a good balanced game would make it so that the more expensive the asset the higher the chances of winning

>>172776389
this is your second post about this, but I still think it's a meme

>>172777098
>kill youreself my dude
y u heff 2b mad
have you considered not being this much of a shitter and actually get gud? it might help

>>172776916
how else are you gonna lose a bs to a frig? assuming the BS is pvp fit

>>172777375
somehow you gotta have absolutely no drones to get killed by a frig solo.

The maelstrom gets what? 75mb and 100m3? thats 4 flights of lights or a set of mediums and 2 flights of lights

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>My 200M Garmur should be able to kill forty 5M T1 frigs

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>>172777825
>mfw it actually can

>>172776784
Sounds like it deserves a nerf.

>>172778493
It also shows how useless other battleships are long before the machariel became popular.

Ships like the abaddon have NO utility highslots, no number of mids to help like the machariel does. Same with the maelstrom, apoc, etc. Few ships have utility mids and highslots like the dominix does which are super valuable for things like scram chains for resisting booshers, neuts for neuting enemy logi or other ships, etc.

Battleships largely haven't been touched in many many years which leaves them high and dry for this kind of thing. Hopefully CCP has a good balance pass and makes some of these otherwise useless T1 battleships useful again for fleet applications

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>>172777825

should and will are two very, very different things.

>>172778896
>>172778493
Also capless weapons are super valuable in this meta

You can't bash a fortizar with any sort of cap weapons nor support a tank with any cap based tank. The fortizar neuts are so powerful that even with the signature radius scaling they neut like a truck.

>>172779410

Also fortizars and keepstars are super fucking OP due to their self defense systems and neuts

sounds like you only fly in blobs if you think BSs aren't useful

>yea lemme take on this fortizar with my "small gang"
>neuted to zero, bombed to death

>>172779645
All said I think energy weapon comp is more viable, what are you going to do when your invuls fail and get popped by support? sure you're not firing anymore for a while but standard m is there.

>>172780738
>infinite range weapons that kill anything

ccp pls stop

>omg i can't pad my kb stats with pos mods anymore ????

>>172780797
>what are you going to do when your invuls fail and get popped by support?
Not bring a fucking active hardener tanked shield fleet to kill a fortizar

Those neut bombs and neut effects reach out to 300km easy

Next time I'll bring a passive fit with armor with capless weapons.

>and on top of it all, they have ecm

just why, what were they thinking

>>172781040
This is why citadels are poorly designed. The only answer is Machs

>>172781114
CCP doesn't even give any real hard counters

You can't neut the fortizar, the bombs have 20k EHP so you can't firewall them, you can't target them either and you can't out run them because they go 2km/s

if you CAN out run them the fortizar can 90% web you, TP, Jam and Neut you with its own neuts (not the same as its neut bombs) and kill you

>>172781283
Oh yea and if you're gonna bash them with capitals you can only bring dreads, you can't bring carriers because the point defense system will kill all your fighters instantly.

You also can't bring capitals that use capacitor for guns, so basically only the pheonix and nag are able to bash fortizars

>>172781451
point defense is fucking retarded, they should just remove it

>>172781594
Also if you bring a torpedo pheonix, the point defense system will kill your torpedos if you're too far away and give time to the fortizar to destroy them. Capital torpedos are THAT slow.

Also Capital torpedoes have such bad application that a fortizar speed tanks them

>flying anything other than nag

>>172781763
>Also Capital torpedoes have such bad application that a fortizar speed tanks them

literally what

>>172781780
better than the moros in every way

>>172781763
normal torpedoes are the same speed I think

>inb4 faggot uses XL rage torps

>>172781857
The point defense system is like a smartbomb so the fortizar can kill things like drones, fighters, and even missiles

Also the capital torpedoes have really really really bad stats for application. A stationary leviathan can also speed tank Capital torpedoes from a pheonix

>>172781937
it's fine when they don't apply fully to a ship, that's how missiles are supposed to work

>>172782073
oh man is it 2008 again? did the pheonix go from really good last 2 years to being really really bad again?

I remember when a slow boating Archon going like 60m/s could negate ALL torpedo damage from a phenonix.

>>172782073
But that is exactly how they work. It's the same with normal rage torps.

>>172782205
the only way you negate all damage is if the missile doesn't hit. we are talking about structures, not ships. a structure should not mitigate any damage from anything

>>172782073
You know its bad when a fucking Poco, titan and even a fucking fortizar can speed tank Capital torpedoes

>>172782294
They used to do zero damage to a slowboating capitalship, thats pretty much negating all damage

>yfw rage torpedoes have such bad application that the regular faction torpedoes do more damage in actuality because the rage torpedoes lose so much damage

>>172782457
>yfw rage torpedoes have such bad application that the regular faction torpedoes do more damage in actuality because the rage torpedoes lose so much damage

rage missiles are not supposed to just be more damage, they're supposed to be more damage vs bigger/slower targets. so in a sensible game that would be structures and I guess supers

I don't really know how to balance capital missiles and tracking when half of them go 0m/s

>>172782294
>a structure should not mitigate any damage from anything
A Poco speed tanks a capital torps. You lose tons of fucking damage to it. Meanwhile other dreads have no problem hitting poco's, Pos's, or other capitals

Maq is a gay cunt kys

look at how unbalanced this game is

>>172782663
>but it's fine, this unbalanced thing makes this other unbalanced thing ok, it's your fault for not using it

every time

>>172782571
>rage missiles are not supposed to just be more damage, they're supposed to be more damage vs bigger/slower targets. so in a sensible game that would be structures and I guess supers
The faction torpedoes do less damage on paper but apply way better. Rage torpedoes do more damage on paper but have such ass application that the faction torp will do more damage in actuality because it doesn't suffer from massive DR due to ass application.

So yes, rage are SUPPOSED to do more damage, do they? Never

I remember someone here did the math where he put 3 bonused Republic Fleet Target painters from a Huginn onto an archon going 75m/s with 3 trimarks and 2, 25000mm plates. The Pheonix rage torps did way less damage than the Faction Torps did

Is there any difference between clicking warp to gate and then clicking jump instead of just clicking jump?

I'm just dicking around in hi sec but I don't wanna pick up any bad habits.

>>172782838
>do they? Never

you're supposed to use tackle and shit if you want to apply missile damage better. complaining that they aren't just a flat upgrade is really retarded, if that's what you're doing. I can't tell

>>172782948
>use tackle and shit
the rage torps suffer massive DR and always do less damage than the faction torps. The Rage torps are SO FUCKING BAD that a stationary leviathan can speed tank them.

Its not about using tackle, webs or paints because its not enough

3 fucking republic fleet target painters on an archon can't get the rage torps to do more damage than the faction torps

>>172783065
>its not enough

use more

and get ccp to undo that retarded ewar resistance on capitals

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>>172783152
>use more
ITS 3 FUCKING TP's!!!

Stacking penalty will stop the signature from getting any bigger. This is even assuming the archon has NO back up, no implants or links at all either

Pic related Pheonix with Faction torps vs Pheonix with Rage torps on an archon slow boating with 2 plates, 3 trimarks and shit

>ewar resistance
>archon
Carriers don't have EWAR resistance

No capital has TP resistance either so it doesn't matter you dumb faggot

>>172783473
That is hilarious.

In a laugh so you don't cry way.

When is a good samaritan going to murder Fozzie?

How hard are rats in hisec combat sites that you scan down? Can it be cleared by a noob with low skills in t1 combat frigate?

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>>172783473
I can't fucking believe it

whats the point of Rage Torps if you do less damage than other torps?

>>172783975
3/10's I think is the highest site that spawns in highsec but yea they will fuck up a t1 frig

you'll need a long range cruiser to do the sites

>>172778896
>Ships like the abaddon have NO utility highslots
This is the shittiest meme ever.

It's got 8 fucking high slots. Just because it has more turret hardpoints than a Mach doesn't mean you can't put a fucking neut on it.

>>172784414
>It's got 8 fucking high slots
yea for 8 guns

>just drop a gun for a neut
fuck that, thats retarded,

>>172784031
the point is vs larger ships, and you need to exert some player skill to apply the extra damage. just like fury missiles and high damage t2 turret ammo. this is just capitals being retarded like they are in every way

WHY THE FUCK DOES CCP DO THIS LITERALLY ALL AMARR SHIPS ARE SO FUCKING SHIT.

THEY CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT

>>172784554
Capital cruiser launchers don't have this issue, fury capital cruise missiles don't need extra bullshit to do more damage than faction missiles

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>mfw tempest has 2 utility highs and dual dmg bonus

>>172784504
Versus a ship that only gets 7 guns to begin with?

You think that 7 guns with a neut is worse than 7 guns with a neut?

How fucking stupid are you?

>>172784608
>LITERALLY ALL AMARR SHIPS ARE SO FUCKING SHIT.
Na m8, Malediction is bae.

show me ur dank 7+1 baddon fit

>>172784923
It is when one of them has a +25% RoF bonus.

>>172784845
>extra bullshit

damage application is part of the game mate

>>172785189
You're comparing a fucking T1 ship to a pirate faction ship. Of course the pirate ship is going to have clear-cut advantages.

>>172785375
>bad game design.txt

abaddon is fine though other guy is retarded too

Daily reminder that LP Pirate ships outperform Empite ships, BUT LP pirate ammo does not outperform empire ammo

this fucking game is so unbalanced

>>172775104

Some people aren't very good, so they join.

Some people are pretty good but like the company, so they join.

Some people are pretty good and don't want company, so they don't join.

T'sall good.

>>172785507
>muh pirate missions

nobody cares

>>172770876
But anon, I need a battleship for incursion money farming.

>>172785507
XL Pirate ammo is bad?

>>172778896
How good is the Barghest compared to the machariel?

>>172785791
entirely differrent things

>>172785791
Blobbing? Mach
Small scale meme PVP? Both are good
Incursions? Mach
Smartbomb ratting? Mach
Missions? Mach

>mach
>dps

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>Smartbomb ratting

>>172786761
t. max tank no gyro blobber

>projectiles

>FC brought my hurricane instead I can't afford a machariel yet.
Anon what are you doing you're slowing us all down with that warp speed, change into a mach before I kick you out.

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>>172773270
>>172776389
omfg

>>172787531
vigil is the correct choice for any fleet

>>172787694

you mean kitsune, keres or mjd destroyer.

What do you guys usually listen while playing EVE ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4SwFhfNh1w

>>172787942
those will all die, and are not worth 5 mil. a bs fleet especially will appreciate fast paints on the target

>>172788058
if you are bad such that you die in a frigate in the middle of a BS fleetl, you need to learn how to warp off the field and stop being so goddamn bad.

a 10mn Hyena is a better choice for 80km paints.

>>172788419
>10mn hyena

but a hyena is easier to kill than a vigil

>learn how to warp off

yeah you'll have to do a lot of that in a keres or kitsune

>>172788529

jamming/damping the enemy or some of the logi, warping off when he broadcasts you, and then coming back and doing it again and again is much more helpful than you might otherwise think.

the goal in a fleet should not be ctrl+click on the broadcast window and f1 and hope you aren't targeted. the goal is to fucking win the fight.

>>172788915
>the goal in a fleet should not be ctrl+click on the broadcast window and f1 and hope you aren't targeted. the goal is to fucking win the fight.

yeah I'm sure warping in and out and damping someone for 10 seconds out of every 60 seconds is helpful

meanwhile vigil master race doubles the tracking and lock speed of everyone on the primary and has easy 100km range

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>EAF agility

oneiros

Why are people upset about the chimera model
It's so much nicer now

>>172770339
Sweat and disappointment

>>172791996
caldari fags are upset all the time

New player here, about to make a character. Is this accurate? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1HiWqdoic4

>>172784923
>Versus a ship that only gets 7 guns to begin with?
7 guns, a 25% RoF bonus and a 25% damage bonus on top of that plus a 50% falloff bonus.

You are fucking retarded.

>>172793650
>and it still ends up doing less damage than an abaddon

>the abaddon is fine
>capacitor depletes in 00:00:43

>>172791996
>>172793245
I like it

I could live entirely off of the autistic screeching that occurs every time they redesign a dumpsterfire ship model

>>172793753
>>172793753
performing way worse than the machariel.

The machariel has:
capless guns (a big deal when fighting on fortizars or even citadels in general)
5 fucking mids, no need for a cap booster so you can fill the mids with all the ewar you want
7 fucking lows, enough for all the tank or damage you could possibly want.
high agility, aligns like a battlecruiser
high speed, warps like a cruiser

>>172793753
No the machariel does more damage than the abaddon

>no need for a cap booster

>>172794289
It doesn't need a cap booster to operate because its guns don't use more capacitor than the fucking thing can recharge

>hardeners don't need cap
>reps don't need cap
>prop doesn't need cap
>even heavy neut doesn't need cap

>>172794390
all battleships require a cap booster if they have mwd

What even is the most populous / normal faction? I would have said caldari or amarr, but I hear people talk about minmatar and gallente instead

>>172794461
>hardeners don't need cap
no one said this, the majority of the machariel's cap can fuel the hardeners.
>reps don't need cap
Solofags don't count you dumb shit, no one puts reps on their machariel that matters
>prop doesn't need cap
the machariel makes more than enough cap to run a prop
>heavy neut doesn't need cap
the machariel makes more than enough cap to run a heavy neut

Machariel with a 100mn AB, heavy neut, and guns running, tracking computer, 2 ewar modules and a scrambler to stop booshers
>7m37s
Abaddon with just guns running
>5m51s

This is why no one uses guns that need cap around fortizars and shit. You don't bring these gimp mobiles to play that can't even run their guns longer than a machariel can run ALL THAT UTILITY

>>172794919
oh yea and a machariel with two 1600mm plates and a 100mn AB on aligns the same speed as an abaddon with no plates and no prop

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>Solofags don't count you dumb shit, no one puts reps on their machariel that matters

>>172795046
A machariel with a rep lasts longer than an abaddon with just guns. Thats now bad large lasers are, they draw so much fucking cap its obnoxious

>100mn ab

>>172795214
large lasers are fine, just juggle your cap

shut off your guns if you're too fucking awful at managing your cap

why does every battleship discussion turn into that one retard who will just be butthurt as long as lasers use any more cap than railguns?

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>>172795615

he hasn't figured out that leaving the MWD on will cap out the battleship.

maybe if you leave your shitty memealliance you'd notice that mach has more fits than the maxtank no damage blobshit

>>172786984

surprisingly effective, btw

>>172795615
>>172795615
I want the abaddon to not get capped out in less than 3 minutes doing normal ship while other ships with the same fucking capacitor recharge as the abaddon can do all their tricks fucking better and longer.

Why do other battleships get the same cap recharge rate as the abaddon? Abaddon needs more cap it should get more cap regen to perform the same tasks as the other battleships

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>your small gang active fits are not relevant

>t. f1 anchor drone

>>172795763
He hasn't figured out that running the guns will cap you out

just fit a cap booster retard

>just waste a midslot for a cap booster JUST to run your guns
>no other battleship needs a cap booster to run guns
>they need WAY less cap and can dedicate that cap to other modules that need it, not their fucking guns that use more capacitor than a MWD

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>cap booster
>waste

>Would you like to play Mage or Archer?
>What's the difference?
>Well they're both ranged damage-dealers but mages use MP to cast their spells and run out after a few minutes. Archers don't use MP to attack but it consumes arrows, but you can carry thousands of arrows at a time so you don't have to stop attacking for hours.
>Well do Mages do a lot more damage to make up for the fact they can't attack as long as Archers?
>No, they deal around the same amount of damage. Also you can enchant a piece of your gear with MP regen so you don't run out as fast.
>But couldn't an Archer use that enchant slot for a more useful bonus? That seems kinda imbalanced. Why would anyone play Mage?
>No, shut up, it's fine.

>skill levels 1-5
>you shouldn't be using anything with below 4 of the relevant skill
Why even have 1-3?

>>172798291
certain skills you only need at 1 or certain skills you only need at 3

for example, to anchor a pos all you need is anchoring level 3

Or contracting, level 1 contracting or level 2 contracting is more than enough for most people

>>172798228
>Also the Archer has the same MP regen as the Mage
>but its balanced I swear

>>172798228
are you seriously implying that autocannons do dps

>>172799046
On a machariel, 800's do about the same as the abaddon with mega pulses. This is because the machariel gets a flat 25% rate of fire bonus and another 25% damage bonus on top of it

>>172798291
>you shouldn't be using anything with below 4 of the relevant skill
That's just something high SP players with all 5 skills tell newbies. LVL 2-3 with LVL 4 in the actually important skills (ie ship/cap/hp/damage skills) is fine.
And if you're new there's nothing wrong with flying a BC with lvl 3 battlecruisers or whatever. Just know your limits and don't settle for leaving it at 3.

>>172799237
See >>172785375
Stop comparing a fucking T1 ship to a pirate faction ship.

>>172799237
so on a pirate battleship, a weapon with less range than pulse lasers do as much dps as pulse lasers do on a t1 battleship

>return to eve a month ago
>pirate BS are 300m and T1 are 170
What the fuck?

What if you could create ships with less stats for the purpose of infiltrating them into a dumb alliance and making their doctrines weak. (Obviously you would be able to figure out if they were fucked ships if you spent some time looking at them)

Save you money also since you'd be cutting corners.

>>172799968
no one uses BSs but retard industrialists keep pumping them out like they are going out of style LMOA

>>172800187
Last time I played T1 were around 70-90m and pirate were 700m-1b. Would have thought CCP would have some kind of market intervention here for the sake of balance. T1 BS are shit enough without costing twice as much as they should

>>172799968
>>172800187
And nobody bothers to fuck with nullsec mission farmers, so they're free to churn out faction BS BPCs day and night.

>>172799237
>le falloff face

>>172800495
??????

Pirate BS BPCs don't come from mission runners. You'd have to be retarded to waste LP on that.

>you will never be able to play a self-suficient play style where you harvest all the resources you need to build your assets while also remaining competitive because fuck CCP and their shit balancing holy fucking shit ccp go fuck youreselves you useless fuckwits

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>implying there is a better t1 bs

>you're not entitled to that style of gameplay

>he doesn't have 10 rorqual alts, a krabhole and his own moons in every corner of the universe

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>log into game, no ops happening or anything
>CEO dude goes " GET ON COMMS NOWWWWWWWWWW"

WHY THE FUCK DO I NEED TO TALK TO RETARDS EVEN WHEN NOTHING IS GOING ON FUCK THIS GAME

So how is signature radius vs. explosion radius calculated? Like, if I hit a 200m sig radius ship with a 400m explosion radius will it do exactly half damage, or is it more complicated than that?

>>172803780
it's much more complicated. and it's two relevant stats for the weapon and the target - sig radius, velocity, explosion radius and explosion velocity

>>172803780
https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Missile_Damage#Missile_damage_formula

>>172803780
>>172803886
Yeah, I meant 400m explosion radius bomb. Don't bombs ignore the target's speed?

The problem with eve nline is that there is no organic conflict nothing comes out organically and everything is just set up artificially for LE EPIC CONTENT CREATOR MEME. i guarantee you that is conflict was organic in this game it would have ten times the population

>>172803968
for bombs yes, it's just sig. I think it's like you say, 200m for 400m would be half

>go on solo roam
>kill someone
>"no anon it was set up, he went there knowing he had to die to you"

>>172804419
Cool, thanks. If I'm understanding this equation correctly that's what >>172803906 says as well. Good to know.

The problem with EVE is risk averse fags joining NCPLHK

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>>172804449
>Solo roaming
>Tackle a seemingly solo frigate
>Cynos lit
>Caps dropped

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>it's a life in delve episode

>he doesnt know about pirates little helper

>it's the autistic OP that keeps sperging over dumbass CSM and won't ever update the news.

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EVE isn't "fun". If you play it for "fun" YOU are the problem - the cancer - the aids - the cyst - that NO single person in New Eden wants. Only 1% of the community play the game right. Fuck off with your stupid forced meme shit trying to justify this shit fucking game, I make so much ISK/hr and sell it RWT - upward of thousands per month. What have you done with your life LOL? Kissless lonely virgin faggots, have fun being cucked F O R E V E R.

pic. related.

>>172806081
>Corpus Pope
kek

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>he can't kill a frigate going 0m/s

>it's a reddit shill ccp agent triggerred because they got exposed

>>172806272
I'm everything on the right and I still get laid. I'm not even tall or white.

>>172804710
>The problem with EVE is risk averse fags joining NCPLHK
Implying any of those groups are to be blamed, they used to fight anything you would throw at them and give good fights, it was the other faggots like goon and friends that always played like shit and forced PL, NC and HK to become unkillable blobbers in response.

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>NCPLHK
>good fights

>>172806554
lol

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>>172806554

>>172806360
>>>/pol/

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>>172806000
>>172806130
>tackle alt 1 with a frig
>open cyno
>jump in cap alt
>kill alt 1
>repeat 50 times
>PLH tells everyone engaging you is a trap
>roam EVE without fear

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>join /eog/ Certified-Organic™ corp
>download TS3
>sign up on services page
>set up API with highest mask, (they can even read my Jita whore diaries)
>set up TS3 auth from services
>set up Mumble auth from services
>Download Mumble
>set up forums account from services
>please use this info to log into forums and then set up forum-API link
>k
>set up Discord
>Need to make a Discord account first
>k
>Set up Discord auth
>Download Discord
>error, contact our helpdesk pilots in-game
>k
>Set up Jabber auth
>Download Pidgin
>Set up Skype
>Update Skype, 800mb of ram skype.exe running in the background
>Set up ISBoxer for my Jita whore multitasking alts
>Setup Slack Auth
>Log into Slack
>Just a bunch of shitposting
>Close Slack
>Set up Facebook corp group (requirement to file for SRP)
>"Go lose a ship and link a KM to authenticate the SRP program"
>Lose my Arty Vagabond
>ok.
>File Arty Vagabond for SRP
>"Denied"
>"Not a Corp fitting"
>okey.
>PINGPIGPING
>"QUICK COMMS #3 TIME TO HIT TOWER EVERYONE GET ON NAGAS"
>No Naga in new home system
>"C-can I bring my Punisher"?
>"Yes you can bring tackle but you need to download the new tackle comms mumble plugin v0.2 first anon go to this link anon https://a.cocaine.ninja/fvxpoy.exe"
>...O-okey ...I-is it safe?
>"Also make sure you download the new Windoes 10 Discord Overlay, link is somewhere on the forums."
>Cool
>Searching Forums
>Access Denied: Need additional APIs
>Set up my Jita whore API so I can make it to the fleet
>"Ok everyone undoc- anon are you really a Jita whore"?
>New program has to update, doesn't ask for permission.
>Forced Reboot PC
>Corp channel blinking
>Alliance channel blinking
>Director wants to start new conversation
>Pidgin blinking
>Discord blinking
>Skype blinking and using 2gb of ram
>TS3 blinking
>Mumble blinking, tackle comms mumble plugin going nuts
>Forums notifications blinking
>new Facebook message on your wall.
>ANNNOOOON GET ON COOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMSSSSS
>My mind slowly drifts into the abyss.

>>172806862
>buy meme marauder on secret alt
>bring it to nullsec
>tackle it on main
>cyno up
>let a whole bunch of people whore on it
>anon you're pretty good at this!
>yeah anon you rock!
>repeat 10 times
>given FC rights and control of caps
>fc fleets and do nothing while taking all the credit
>fast forward 10 months
>given access to super and titan poses
what should I do next?
I have 15mil sp.

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>>172807281

>>172807328
steal everything you can and join TC

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>NC comes to fight us
>Brings slightly more numbers
>Not good enough so they move 50+ supers
>Sit on objective
>No fight
>Follow them to a gate
>They jump and wait
>"you need to jump into us"
>Maneuver to opposite gate and jump in
>They jump back
>Jump into them
>They run away and send supers home
>"FUCK YOU BLOBBERS, SOULD HAVE JUMPED INTO US! MADE YOU FORM! HAHAHA! DIDNT WANT THAT FIGHT ANYWAY!

Just Poison Kevin things.

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>>172807281

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>TC

>>172749367
can you please stop?
keep the CSM thing on the past greentext if you want
but I want new silly OP pictures and eog editions, not this csm shit nobody gives a fuck about
nobody here even votes for that.

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>NC

What's the best way to make some ISK as a newfag on alpha clone?

Mining is easy a fuck but it's also slow as shit.

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>he didn't vote for Monster Dude, the man who wanted to end the injustice of explodig during black screen while undocking orjumping

>>172808036
try lowsec belt ratting & clone hunting

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I was under the impression that no high sec data or relic sites had rat spawns, but I just lost my first ship in one. Was hoping my first ship loss would be in pvp, not against npc's. Couldn't even warp away from them before getting one shot. Live and learn I suppose. Luckily I was able to go back and grab all the stuff from my wreck. Great loot too, tripled my total isk from that one place despite the ship loss.

sorry for blog posting

>>172808198
look up sleeper caches and ghost sites

>>172808257
Yep thats what it was. I'm guessing it was the exploding can that got me and not the rats, I went down instantly in one hit. I should have paid more attention to the name of the place. I just assumed it was like the other data sites I'd done before.

So what's the deal with Providence? Is the whole NRDS thing legit?

>>172810473
Kinda. They do honestly try to run it that way, but if you've roamed/acted suspicious/violated one of their eleventybillion arcane rules/pissed off a powertripping director, be prepared to be set red without warning. Of course you can sometimes get un-set by just asking nicely in their diplo channel.

Having flown with provibloc and against, the rank and file are pretty nice, mostly genuinely helpful types just looking to have fun. The high-level leadership is filled with some of the most unpleasant assholes you can imagine.

>>172810473
unironically, yes

before you go there, check your character's name on http://kos.cva-eve.org/ it's their Kill on Sight checker. most of them are generally NRDS, but a bunch of alliances ,corps, etc are KoS, so by being affiliated, you'll be KoS too

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>tfw too intelligent to pvp

>>172811117
what does this even mean?

>>172810705
I never had any insight to Proviboc leadership. The guys in providence seem nice and all but it honestly the most straight edge "normie" (for lack of a better word) of eve players which ties party into their whole RP thing.

How is their leadership assholes?

>>172811843
They're just jackasses with delusions of grandeur

The usual

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>'THE CAPACITOR IS EMPTY'

>200 mil isk/week
>tfw too lazy to make more

>T2 battlecruisers are the same price as pirate battleships

>>172814347
So?

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the orph link leading to reddit takes the cake.

So being in Horde I've come to realise I'd be having a lot more being one of the neuts roaming in and picking off krabs than one of the hundreds of cannon fodder sitting around these systems. How best do I go about finding a smaller corp?

join tengoo

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So, should I spend every last penny to go Omega?

Stealth bomber: Afterburner or MWD?

>>172815878
Depends

>>172815878
mwd

>>172815578
what are you going to do with your Omega?

>>172815578
no

get at least 300m more to begin your omega life with decency

>>172816091
Train skills, which I can't do right now because all the alpha skills are done, use a battleship to make a bit of money for a while, and then maybe try faction warfare again.

>>172816313
how are you going to afford the skills + battleship if you have no isk after spending it all on plex?

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>>172816382
I won't have to.

>>172816595
looks good then, go for it