/civ4xg/ - Strategy/4X General

Also, it's the last time I make a thread. If that one dies again, I give up.

>page 10
>I'm the only one posting here
Farewell /civ4xg/. It was fun having you around, but even Stellaris is too crap to keep you alive.

>>172216148
To bad even civ 6 is to bad to keep it alive. What happend? I played civ 4 for years and it is still popular. ;_;

>>172216473
Guess there's nothing to talk about.

>>172216516
Everyone's finished their Stellaris playthroughs and are waiting for Banks / Utopia to drop before starting more FUN to talk about.
Or, at least, that's my situation, and as an autist with no understanding of empathy, I can't imagine lived experiences other than my own.

>>172216698
Guess so, but even so, what else? Even with Banks, there won't be anything to talk about. People will still complain about the warscore being bugged, the game being rigged to surround you with hostile rivals, the AI being stupid, and so on.

>>172216959
Well at least it will have somewhat more interesting domestic politics. I hope they tie leaders to factions or do something with them giving them personal ambitions.

>>172216698
Same. Playing other games, like Fallout 4 and Kerbal Space Program while I wait for Stellaris to update. Also waiting for Elite Dangerous to update.

Kinda had fun with Wayward Terran Frontier making custom ship deckplans but that game is way too early access.

Tried Stars in Shadow and that game is a good MOO2 clone, but the problem is that it's an exact clone of MOO2 so I got bored of it quickly.

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SO HOW ABOUT AI WAR?

>>172214621
>>172216148
lel
/dgg/ - dead genre general?

>>172218238
The DanganRonpa fans will frown if that happens.

>>172216959
>Even with Banks, there won't be anything to talk about.
I'll drop my RPs here at least.
Because I am enough of a faggot to do RPs but not enough of a faggot to avoid being banned on the "No heteros allowed" Paradox forums.

>>172218337
>No heteros allowed
What the fuck? They're like 95% of the population.

Thoughts on Macedonia/Persia?
Scenario seems fun
Will the game be fixed this time?

>>172218513
99.9%.
But I was being hyperbolic.
Then again they are Swedish, so who can be sure?

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Fucking Iroquois.

>>172219040
I hate Hiawatha, turn coat faggot even when trying to be nice to him.

eagerly awaiting this thread to die for a week only to be resurrected as /sg/ full of /gsg/ and slav shitposters

>>172220926
lmao I totally didn't think about that. All the people here would migrate back there only to be out-autisted once again

Man, that auto build mod really takes the pain out of being expansionist.

I don't use the auto-placement features (except for power hub and mineral processing), but the effect is amazing. Except for a little bit of hand-holding at the start to place the colony, clinic, first few farms and clear blockers, all I need to do is glance at the planet list on the side of the screen, and if there's construction in progress I leave it be. If there's no building taking place I go see what needs doing, if all the tiles are filled with max-upgraded buildings then I chuck it in a sector and colonise a new world. (I'm a control freak so I don't let sectors redevelop).

>>172220926
>implying /gsg/ wouldn't pop a blood vessel
We already tried to become a strategy games general, remember? /gsg/ threw a bitchfit and spammed the willy wanker pasta.

>>172219465
Natives are always faggot.

>watch a Civilizations V Let's Play on Youtube
>diplomacy, war, science
>same guy does a Civ VI LP
>just war

Is the game that bad?

>>172221447
maybe we should try it again
at least it'd keep the thread bumped

>>172221839
Going out in a blaze of glory? For honor and glory?

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I'm gonna take a day off to play on patch day for Stellaris, hope it's not too buggy.
Has anyone seen new government stuff pertaining to being capitalist pigs that looks promising?
Will there be crossbreedinng with sexy xeno concubines?
>mfw a hooman jingles his gold pressed latinum near me and his female is wearing clothes like a whore

>>172221974
Dude, it's not Space CK2.

>>172221524
so foreigners are always not faggot?

>>172221938
For England, James?

>>172222021
For Eorlingas?

>>172221839
The header already says stetegy games are welcome. ignore this fag, he's just whining because we didn't want to change the thread tag from /civ4xg/.

>>172221791
It's the opposite though?
One of the most annoying things in 6 is the 3 full screen popups every time you meet a civ and then ongoing full screen "diplomacy" every turn.

There's much more happening with science and culture in 6 too.

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>>172222008
Crossbreeding should be available for people who follow the genetic ascension path.
>inb4 someone spergs out about how unlikely that is, in a game that already has FTL travel and space dragons.

>>172222237
Maybe it's because he's editing the LP to make it look like a franco-german documentary, but in his Civ5 LP, he does mention trade with other nations, while in Civ6, he only mentions going to war with everyone.

Then again, his Civ5 playthough it plagued with barbarians, so he has issues getting started.

>>172222021
>>172222087
For ____you____

>>172222222
>missing the get

Enemy federation delcared war on me in Stellaris.

Can I force them to cede planets to me if I win? Or can I only defend?

>>172222565
you have to declare your goals before you or they win otherwise you get nothing

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>>172222087
Where now the horse and the rider?

>>172223284
Sharpe's Rifles?
I tried watching it, saw that the bad guys were French, and dropped it.

>>172223284
I'd rider if you know what I mean

>>172223359
Such is the life of the eternal anglo.

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>fought the humans a decade ago for a couple planets that I needed more than them
>humans now make up my clone army because my geckos are weak
>want to vassalize the remaining humans
>8 other empires have guaranteed their independence

Should I start Galactic War Two now or take the "peace in our time" route of chipping away at the pink and green Sudetenland on my left?

Buy Stellaris now or wait for the expansion to come out?

>>172224419
>8 others empires
Don't risk it.

>>172224413
Englishes are like Japanese.
>live on a island
>overinflated ego
>think they're superior to everyone else
>muh bow
>all inbred with small dicks
>muh relevance on global geopolitical scale

>>172224419
When you git big enough that you're chomping at the bit for a way to DoW before treaty timeout, Independence Guarantees are a godsend to force people into war whom you otherwise couldn't.
But when the hydrogen you actually want is the guaranteed hydrogen you're kinda shit out of luck.
Go Sudetenland.

>>172224481
If you get it now you can understand how shit it is before seeing if the expansion and update fixes anything

>>172224481
Literally no point in buying it now because any game you start will become unplayable next week.

>>172224779

Why?

>>172225723
I think he means your save might be incompatible if you start a game now. I'm still of the opinion you could just start to learn the mechanics now if you're bored, you might appreciate the dlc more then.

>>172224481
I bought mine a couple of days ago. Nova edition + expansion and shit worth 70 bucks. I'm kinda regretting it that I didn't wait for the next sale.

>>172221938
The position of /civ4xg/ in /vg/ will not be determined by its appeasement of /gsg/ but by its power. /civ4xg/ must concentrate its strength and hold it for the favorable moment, which has already come and gone several times. Since the shitposting of /sg/, our frontiers have been ill-designed for a healthy body politic. Not through speeches and majority decisions will the great questions of the day be decided—that was the great mistake of /sg/—but by iron and blood.

>>172224481
>giving Johans your money
If I learned anything from /gsg/, it is to pirate Paradox Games.

>>172227490
Unfortunately, our population is fluctuating. Sometimes we must fight for our survival, and sometimes it's an easy cruise to the bump limit.

>>172227045

What is the point in the "collector" versions? They don't give you a season pass.

>tfw none of my portait mods show up in Stellaris
Fuck. I just want to make GroBgermaniums in space and I can't even give my humans Imperial German uniforms.

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>>172223359
the bad guys are english

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The Commonwealth entered a federation with the orange on the far left and all the independence guarantees became void so I took their homeworld. Trying to widdle them down to an acceptable warscore for vassalization, before this one it was saying I'd need a warscore of 105%.

My galaxy is very messy right now.

You know, I fully understand why all strategy games have clustered starts. It's to make sure the AI away from you has enough time to develop to be relevant against the player.

It still pisses me off.

>>172229242
That redguy looks like a total moron.

But what's so important with losing the colours? What does that mean, exactly? he lost a flag?

>>172229242
Also,
>"The man who loses the King's colours loses the King's friendship."
FUCKING
BURNED

That's the Hiroshima of burns. The Nagasaki of toasting.

>>172231537
Yes, he lost a flag.

>>172231537
The colours are the flag and standard of the army, state or king, carried into battle by a unit and used as a centerpiece and rallying point for the unit, losing them is considered a besmirchment of the king or state, abandoning the colours is basically the same as abandoning the your oath to die for the sake of the state or king so it's a huge dishonor. This tradition is mostly traced back to Rome where legionary standards were given a similar treatment, legionary standards were considered the soul of the legion and represented their duty to Rome and it's people, losing a standard would often result in extreme punitive measures, from ordering the legion in question on a suicide mission, to decimation, or a straight disbanding of the unit and forbidding the use of the legions name and number.

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>>172230231
Keep the posts coming! They are much enjoyful! Do you have any allies?

>there are "Omega aliens" on my map
>they even have association treaty with my federation
>no project in mission log to learn their lingo
how fucked am I? Will they end up contacting me eventually?

>>172234454
Thanks! Those orange guys on my right are vassals, and actually extremely helpful. My last two wars they're right in there charging unto the breach when I send in my dropships. I also have a defensive pact with the dark green on the upper right, we are of equivalent power.
I'll be playing again in an hour or two.

>>172234375
>ordering the legion in question on a suicide mission, to decimation, or a straight disbanding of the unit and forbidding the use of the legions name and number
So yeah, it's kind of really important. Armies and traditions...

>>172235815
Don't call us we'll call you

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>>172236296
spooky

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>>172236524
Can't hit a rug without a ninja popping out. Gross.

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>tfw two perfectly habitable worlds for my empire
>tfw right beside my core worlds
>tfw not allowed to touch them because dreadnought
Some day I will kill you.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzcG4whQerQ

Former Human colonists who have long ago lost contact with Earth have once again ventured into space under the banner of the
Galaktisches Imperium. The totalitarian despotic empire while far from perfect managed to keep order and peace within the fledgling empire. After a period of rapid expansion, the xenophobic militarists have run into a wall impeding their expansion. Namely another xenophobic and militaristic empire. This other empire, the Centralized Ztrakpor Systems has laid a claim to one of the systems that the
Galaktisches Imperium had meant to colonize. Now both empires have closed their borders and prepare for war with the native species of the system caught in the crossfire as the curtain rises on new galaxy.

>>172239636
are you the cute sanctimonious gecko guy?

in either case good luck

>>172239913
Geckos are gross.

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>>172239636
Should I integrate this vassal? I already have a significant number of them inside my empire from conquering one of their planets and then spreading them to appropriate worlds. I've never done it before, will there be trouble?

>>172239913
I am indeed. Soon all the galaxy will have mandatory car insurance.

>>172240316
Lizards are gross. They lick their own eyeballs.

>>172240569
Non-sentient lizards lick their own eyeballs. Mine have understood that eyeball licking is a bad habit and a social faux pas for generations.

>>172239752
Make Space Prussia great again

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>>172241041
Lizards deserve extermination for licking their own eyeballs, and for ignoring Yelp reviews.

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Should I? The humans are uppity but nothing I can't manage. Everyone else is already pretty happy.

>>172242837
Then don't let them vote.

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>>172242837
Also just noticed this one.

>>172242897
But if I take away their voting rights they'll be even more pissed?

>>172243181
You can just kill them. Dead people don't get pissed.

>>172243350
My ethics don't allow it fampai. The Diri loves all of the geckogod's creatures. The humans will remain the problem child of our family for now. At least they make good clonetroopers.

>>172240316
Please integrate the avid mountain climbers! They seem to be all about netflix & chill!

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>>172243941
4 u

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>>172239636
I know how you feel.
I'm in kind of early mid-game and can't colonize a perfect 90% habitable planet for my fungus friendos, because some intergalactic fucking Walter White decided to cook in that area.

>>172244428
At least you can see their strength. I'm at 50k fleet power and still scared to approach that system.

>>172244541
Easy :
>save
>send fleet
>see strength
>load
>get hated for being a savescummer

>>172244709
It doesn't show me though, I tried taking them on around 2250 and it's just a skull. Somebody told me that means they're over 100k.

>>172244870
Crystal guys usually aren't over 4k. You probably have something else like the Dreadnought or Cthulhu.

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>>172239636
>>172245070
That guy was talking about Dreadnoughts.

Anyway, should I enlighten these shitty plant savages I have living in a neighbouring system? Surely I can't let them be living like niggers without my intervention?

>>172245209
I'd wait until they have a society and send in infiltrators.

>>172224525
don't forget the obsession with tea

>>172244428
I seriously hate this new way of doing neutrals
>99% of galaxy completely safe
>1 system you better lube up

just makes the early game extremely boring. can you mod it back somehow? what files did they change?

>>172244396
>>172243941
>>172240316
Won't you have problems with them being Spiritualists and you a Mateerialist?

>>172245209
What ethics are they? If they match you I'd do it.

>>172246518
We're both spiritualist and xenophile, its all good brah.

>>172246930
Ah. I assumed you're Materialist because of the 'Masters of the material plane' part.

>>172245853
Yeah, that too.
And the British don't have strange porn, through they have a strange obsession with Monarchy, despite killing a lot of their kings. In France, we only killed one of our kings, and then we tried something else.

>>172246205
Check out ScepraX's mods. He has four different ones that randomly spawn certain things all across the galaxy at various intervals of time, which can be established from the policies menu.

Two of them spawn waves of Space Monsters and Pirates of different difficulties each. The other two spawn new star systems and resources each.

>>172247008
Yea I don't know what that's about, I think they're on drugs.

>>172239752
>Capital planet not Odin in the Valhalla starzone.

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>>172246930
I have Fanatic Collectivist & Xenophile
The plantpeople are Fanatic Xenophobe and Spiritualist.
So we're pretty much polar opposites. Should I start Aggressive Observation with them if I'm not going to civilize them?
Anyway that probably will have to wait because I'm currently at war with these fine gentlemen of african descent. They have wings as well, can you believe it?

>>172248359

>wanting to be decadent empire that's at war with itself rather than a jingoistic nationalistic corrupt democracy

>>172248359
Heinessen is a cooler name tbqh. That's why I picked it. Sieg Kaiser Reinhard though.

>>172247458
>appears after 50 years

yeah no, not useful for the early game which is what is in such dire need of spicing up

>>172248714
>mfw I usually name my planets after Buddhists hells or unfunny 4chin memes
I still remember when my fleet from Avici recaptured PartyVan.

>>172248624
But he is playing as the galactic empire.

>>172248714
You could call it Neue Reich. :^)

>>172248602
Yea if they're xenophobes fuck em, raise people that are friendly. I actually turned a primitive civilization xenophobe through an event by aggressively observing them.

>Snotalitvish-Qa
Exterminate those monkies, nobody in the galaxy should have to try to pronounce that name every again.

>>172248982
>I actually turned a primitive civilization xenophobe through an event by aggressively observing them.
What keeps you from liberating them?

>>172248602
Are you communist poo in loos?

>>172248896
Only Void Clouds. Amoebas appear at 25 years, and the Pirate mod starts spawning from the beginning of the game, I believe.

>>172248602
the correct way is to liberate them from their primitive ways as early as possible

have an intervention

>>172249101
They're renaissance age, I can't really fuck with them other than full extermination can I?

Utopia and Banks in 10 days. We are nearing the final stretch. You have to hang in there, /civ4xg/. Just a little over a week now.

>>172249158
I just want it to be exactly how it was in 1.0 which was perfect in this one regard

>>172248941
so he's playing as Reuenthal?

>>172249306
You can still invade them, but that'll make them citizens.

Wait, and then LIBERATE them.

>>172249359
No he named his empire the Galactic Empire but named the capital planet Heinissen because he liked that name better.

>>172249575
>naming his imperial capital after a man who led rebels to democracy

>>172242837
Do it

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>>172249125
Haha yeah I'm playing as a fungal parasitic lifeform with a collective consciousness, forcefully bringing multispeciesism and progressiveness to everyone whether they like it or not.

>>172249673
That is why naming his empire Neue Reich would be a compromise.

>>172245209
Save them from themselves anon

I like how enlightening primitive civilizations that are way back, like in stone or iron age, gives your missionaries time to adjust their ethics to yours.
That doesn't tend to happen in modern pre-spaceflight civs.

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>>172239752
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xirdGajFbn4

Quickly cracking down on various pirates on the fringes of the Imperium, the government consolidated its power and strengthened its hold on space. They managed to claim two star systems near the CZS borders in the nick of time, one of which had a habitable planet. The colony of Dresden was quickly established and the Dresden Sector was established, containing in it the core systems of the Imperium. Shortly afterwards, the Allied Velutarian Planets were discovered and diplomatic channels were opened. Seeing as the two empires shared a rivalry with the CZS, a defense pact was formed and the two formed a research agreement. The CZS was stopped dead in its tracks, any wrong move having the potential to unleash a devastating two front war. With the Ztrakpor dealt with for now, the Imperium turned its attentions elsewhere.

>>172250016
Can I enlighten stone age guys if I've already colonized their planet? Right now they're stuck on reservations.

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>>172244428
>it only blocks a system
Lucky you

>>172250219
ah sorry, the stone age is just a planet modifier, not an actual civilization

don't know if you can do anything about them, except maybe wipe them out with suitable ethics. I ended up having the dumb savages occasionally attack my civilians and not much else.

>>172250342
>New super-leviathans dlc only $40

>>172250342
WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT

>>172250342
kek

nearly shat myself first time this happened to me

>>172250543
muh dik xD

>>172250543
one of my guys tuched itself at night
This is the result

>>172250342
The fuck is going on?

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>>172250086
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UG2ipurg1sM

Expeditions to the relatively unexplored southern portion of the galaxy bring with them the discovery of three new alien civilizations. The Alvanian League, the Mandasura Council and the Zaanami League. Seeing as these civilizations were rather new to space and already preoccupied with the situation to the north, these upstarts were largely ignored. The Imperium grabbed some resource rich systems and expanded their borders for a decent amount before stopping. Many new discoveries such as massive space fauna (killed and the remains researched for the good of humanity) and pre space civilizations (sent off to reservations) were found. Humanity found itself enjoying a massive technological leap over its adversaries. Suddenly, disaster struck. The energy credit production was started going down into the negatives. The time to act and attack the Ztrakpor is close at hand.

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>>172250968
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDOiQDvjuuc

War! The Imperium was mobilized its spacy and army against the Ztrakpor in order to vassalize them. The Velutarians decided to not join the war despite being called on by the Imperium. Surely this will affect the relationship between the two already unsteady allies for years to come. As the two sides comes to blows, the rest of the galaxy watches on, waiting for the results that would decide the galaxy's future.

>>172252210
>was
*has

>spelting gramer wrong

>>172252929
Please don't bully ;-;

>>172255485
Ayyyy. Coastal tiles are better now!

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FUCK THOSE MOTHERFUCKING BACKSTABBERS.
THAT'S WHAT YOU GET FOR BEING FRIENDS WITH SOMEONE AND HAVING OPEN BORDERS AND SHIIIEET

>>172256748
To clarify: They settled near the bottleneck and cut my fucking empire in 2 while I was busy micromanaging my war south of there.

>>172256748
>>172256934
Then they closed their borders as soon as their colonists were settled.

>finish a precursor chain
>a homeworld system appears on charts
>send a ship to survey it
>an alien surveyor beats mine to the precursor homeworld leaving me with uncompletable quest in mission log
why is this allowed

>>172256748
>>172256934
>>172257025
Get memed on commie parasite scum

The meaning behind Paradox's name is that its a paradox that their userbase would waste so much time and money on their garbage.

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>>172248602

Best looking ayylum races:

1. Flying Monkeys
2. Kawaii Snails
3. Fishbowl Parrots

Is there a dragon race portraits mod around?

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>>172250582
>seeing giant amoebas that are larger than several system approaching the galaxy
I hope they never fix that one

>>172252210
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UG2ipurg1sM

After many grand space battles and planet invasions, the war has ended with the Imperium triumphant. This did not come without a cost however. The Imperium spent very heavily on the war, more than it could afford and even now after severly downsizing their Spacy and Army, the are still experiencing a post war economic slump. In time, it is hoped that the resources from the Imperium's new vassals would bring the economy back to a healthy state. Across the galaxy, the other empires and civilizations heavily condemned the Imperium's heavy use of orbital bombardment against civilian populations although they couldn't do much else other than protest as the Imperium was currently the largest and strongest force in the known galaxy. After making deals with the other races to get access to their Star Charts, it seems that the Imperium will be going back to colonization and expansion. Time will only tell what will happen to the Ztrakpor people.

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>>172259642
Sheeeit forgot my picture

>>172258875
What a cute.
I want to turn her into livestock.

Is there a simple way to make a brief mod for Civ 6 that alters specific unit data, like cost, health, and damage?

>>172227490
t. Bismarck

>>172263131
Not yet.

Is it wrong that I hate games, yet still have fun playing them? Like, I like the base building, the ressource management, but not the diplomacy or the fighting, stuff like that. I only like parts of the games I play, not the game as a whole.

For example, I like Supreme Commander on paper, but when I try to play it, the early game is a chore.

>>172266401
nah

>>172244870
Skulls are bosses with an actual power of about 20,000.

>>172241762
Top grade banter

>>172267090
You better not be memeing me, I'm about to send in my fleet.

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>>172269773
HERE WE GOOOO

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>>172270656
AAAAAAAHHH

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>>172270830
We did it, and with that, two new worlds for my geckos and my mountain crabs.

>>172270982
>1280x720
the fuck are you playing on, a tablet?

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>>172270982
Kek, look at these shitters, didn't take them long to come check things out once I cleared the way for them.

>>172271081
A monitor. I am /gsg/'s eternal macfag, I've migrated here because I can't stand their shitposting any longer and I can finally play Stellaris with empire borders.

>>172270982
Nice job.

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>>172271582
Feels comfy man

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>>172272612
Unfortunately in my excitement to colonize this world I forgot to terraform it to alpine for my shellfish friends. Oh well.

>>172272997
can you terraform worlds when it has inhabitants?

>>172273225
If I can I don't know how.

>>172273367
I swear you could, at least in the earlier versions. I remember a popup saying that the pops on the planet may die and become unhappy while terraforming or something along those lines. Could have changed it in recent versions of course.

>>172266401
Anno 1404

What's the Banks thing coming soon and which game?

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This is going to look funny 10 years from now when their fleets (which I did not encounter at all) are all combined.

>>172277494
Fuck off retard

>>172277562
Let their god sort them.

>>172276525
Doesn't traffic have a lot of importance in that game as well?

>>172230835
>It's to make sure the AI away from you has enough time to develop to be relevant against the player.
I thought it was to make sure the player is challenged in the early game rather than being left to blob unopposed until he's unstoppable, rendering the rest of the game pointless?

Is Stellaris good yet?

>>172282740
I'm genuinely having fun but I'm on my first game

>>172282740
I have fun playing Star Trek: New Horizons.

>>172283908
enjoy it while it lasts sweet summer child

>>172255485
Wait, so conquering cities now reduce warmonger penalty and if you attack someone, the enemy of that someone will like you?

>>172284863
no you just get a smaller penalty if it's a small city

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>it's a "xenophobic fallen empire wants to humiliate you" episode
>accept terms
>they go to war against me 3 years later
>wargoal is to humiliate me
>instantly shits fleets in my ship foundries
>instantly destroys them
>my fleet is at 20k
>my vassals instantly become disloyal
>rebellions all around

>having fun

>>172286471
You probably deserved it

>>172284863
It means you get reduced warmonger with AI civs that don't like your target, and for tiny average cities.

So if Spain has denounced Germany, and then you declare war on/take one of Germany's cities, Spain won't hate you AS MUCH as if they were neutral to Germany.

And then a further reduction if Spain was already at war with Germany when you came in.

And the tiny city is so, if, like, it's mid-late game and Russia plops down a fucking outpost city in the middle of nowhere by your territory when most of the world is, like, city size 10, and you capture it and it's city size 1 afterwards, you'll take 90% less warmonger penalty with most of the world.

Why are we dead as fuck?

>>172291229
don't expect much traffic during neet hours

>>172291229
Sleepy.

>>172291229
Because >>172216698

>>172279641
Yes, you have to manage your trade routes carefully in order to keep your production chains running smoothly.

>>172279641
Oh and pathing and building placement matters for resources to be worked and goods to be delivered.

>>172286629
pretty casual

>>172272997
>terraform it to alpine
Just pour some garbage on it from your homeworld and make mountains for them!

>>172291970
Shouldn't neet hours be the period this thread is most alive?

>>172266401

This is why I want the civilian economy in my games - so I don't have to deal with the boring resource management shit & can concentrate on muh battlefleets instead.

>>172300223
the most active posters are edgy trump kids playing space nazis reich #3143, their bedtime was probably over 4 hours ago

>>172279641
the game is pretty much all about logistics

>>172221447
In 3 days starcraft bw is going free, which will attract lots of new players include that and 4xg will be alive again

>>172266401
the best part about supreme commander is when you're able to build an autism fort against the computer in campaign

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sayonara~

>>172308315
>you know 4xg is dead when playing SE4 is more interesting.

>>172308559
?

>>172306486
Sounds easy.
>in campaign
NOPE

>>172308559
SE4?

how is sterllaris compared to Civ5? is it more micro-management? in depth?

also Beyond Earth+ Rising tides is on sale for a total of $25 should i get it?

>>172313171
Stellaris is a wannabe Grand Strategy game. That means less focused on expansion and more focused on politic, but to be complete :
>fighting is extremely simplist, everything is automatic
>you don't get single units but fleets
>technologies you can research are random
>you have to deal with factions, rebels and separatists
>there's no tourism or spying (DLC soon)
>diplomacy is a bit more predictable, a guy who likes you won't suddenly start denouncing you
>there are no global ressources like incense, furs or anything else, but planets can have bonuses like primitives, pets, and other stuff, but it stays local
>leaders can change and have differents agendas, but agendas are only sidequests
>combat is VERY barebones, no bombardement like in Civ, planets are defenseless rather than being fortresses like in Civ, and you can't have formations or battle orders to have your missiles frigates stay away while your fighters are distracting the enemy : everything is a giant blob

>>172313171
Also, for your Beyond Earth question, we had a regular that often posted about it, "apparently" (please notice the quotes), with Rising Tides, it's somehow decent.

>>172313171
The big problem with Stellaris is that exploration is good, but you eventually run out of things to explore. Tech, politics and management are all fairly barebones. And everything eventually funnels down into the game's real resource sink, which is fleet.
You must have a bigger fleet so that you can fight more wars so that you can have a bigger fleet so that you can fight more wars so that you can have a bigger fleet so that you can fight more wars so that you can have a bigger fleet etc. Which would have been okay if war was something the game did well, but in fact fighting in it is pretty shit.

>>172313171
And to add to the others, even the biggest part in Grand Strategy, the diplomacy, is pretty barebones in Stellaris. You get rebel factions, but the way to handle them are really limited, and exterior diplomacy is pretty hit-or-miss. Since the game is planned as a 4X, you'll always run out of space to expand very quickly while getting neighbours that will hate you for having different ethos.
And the ethics themselves are mostly for roleplay purpose.

Compared to Europa Universalis 4 where you have to deal with the nobles, the clergy and the burghers, Stellaris is very barebones. And in EU4, it's restricted to a paid DLC, so take a guess at how you'll make Stellaris a good game.
That's right, throw money at your screen.

>>172315783
>paying for paradox dlc

>endless legend
>one AI always snowballs in an inconceivable manner

shit happens every match. Iunno what it is with the AI in this game. I put two drakken on board and one just devoured the other and became as snowbally as they always do.

They have no unique abilities that make them a powerhouse, their AI just... does stuff more than the other factions.

The vaulters always lose, the mages always lose, the broken lords always lose, and the necrophages always obliterate everything on the map unless another faction kills them early on but, somehow, the drakken are miles ahead of everyone in every. fucking. game.

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>>172316354
Is there legitimately no risk or downsides with pirating the DLC?

>>172317702
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBx1fywKE6I

>>172317702
Yeah, there's no downsides to it.

>>172303508
>starcraft
>4xg

>>172319119
>explore
>expand
>exploit
>exterminate
Sounds accurate.

Through Starcraft has its own general.

>>172318816
>>172317702
Where can I find the newer DLCs? Google search just gives me updates and EXE files. I bought the base game on steam.

>>172319851
We don't spoonfeed retards here. Keep googling.

>>172320336
I did it anon, I hope you are proud of me.

>>172321184
You're a man now, Anon.

No geckoposting today lads, I procrastinated my work all yesterday and now I am fucked

what are you fags playing now that 4x is confirmed dead

Me, I started Mad Max, pretty good if you like collectibles and have autism

>>172321453
I've been playing that too, it's alright.

Did anyone else here play star ruler 2?

>>172321453
I play Tropico, Startopia, Rise of Nations, Borderlands, and Europa Universalis 4.
Spot the intruder.

>>172321683
I tried it, but the bad execution overweighted the good ideas.

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>>172301398
Damn those edgy people with actual jobs!

>>172321453
Wasteland 2: Director's Cut will keep me busy for the next week or two.`

Waiting for Stellaris to update because I like the idea of internal politics
Waiting for Wayward Terran Frontier to get out of early access because I want a 2d space combat game where I build my ships with internal deck plans including corridors for my crews to run in
Waiting for Starbound for the space ship update that'll add space stations and npc spaceships because that's a space game where right now only the player has a space ship.

So eh.

>>172322251
>Wayward Terran Frontier
>internal deck plans
Jesus...

Also, is Starbound finally decent? Last time I played, it was a piece of shit and the devs hid behind the "b-but muh early access" excuse.

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>>172322334
I like the idea of space combat damaging the internal map of a ship, cutting power lines and venting rooms into space. And figuring out how to maximize the efficiency and survivability of complex linked components is very appealing to me.. Not for everyone though and it will.be a year or two before it's actually playable.

>>172322759
That's the kind of game I'd be terrible at.
I would make exploration ships designed for long expedition, and they would all be extremely fragile and vulnerable because I wouldn't think of putting any armor or redundant systems.

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>>172322334
As for Starbound, I'd say it's alright right now, but since they're adding the one thing I've wanted from the game since the beginning, NPC ships and space stations along with boarding NPC ships and derelicts, I'm waiting before I play again. Also they're adding a new space interface.

>>172322921
Is it still a grindfest where you have to mine for hours before I get any good stuff, like in Terraria?

I hate games that do that.

>>172323236
Yep. That hasn't changed. Still very grindy.

I enjoyed building up a colony so I didn't mind the grind.

Trying to think of a sci-fi game that rewards exploration instead of combat, and does it in an interesting way but can't recall one.

>>172323818
I know that Terraria has some bosses that drop ore, but it's always in a 4:1 ratio, so you always need 100 ore to make a full armor.

Fuck Minecraft for starting the "mining simulator" trend.

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Picture not related, but I see a disturbing amount of boobs and asses in old fantasy games, even strategy ones.
Spellforce, for example, has an ass right in your face.

>>172325976
A disturbing low amount, right? We need more T&A in games.

>>172325976
>Spellforce, for example, has an ass right in your face.
I know, it's great.

>>172326082
No we don't. I don't like having an erection when playing games. It get over the keyboard and sometimes when pressing buttons, I actually touch my dick and ends up masturbating, by complete accident, in the middle of a skirmish.

I want a game like The Horde where you play as a completely unexperienced scrub who somehow get a province infested with monsters, and when asked by your laughing vassals how you plan to deal with the monsters, your characters comes up with the really stupid plan of "just beating them".

>>172326170
this is why I never won any starcraft games on battlenet

>>172326398
>starcraft
Wait what? There are no asses in Starcraft. Try something like Heroes of Might and Magic III with Catherine's butt in the cutscenes.

>>172326495
I liked kerrigan a lot

>>172326495
but yes I take your meaning, it's not overt in starcraft

>>172326545
Pretty weird. I fantasized on many, MANY video games characters, but never in Starcraft.
I suppose the story was 2dark4me.

>>172326545
kek, same here

>>172322251
how long until banks again
how long until mods update too

In Civ V, what is a good pattern for building units and infrastructure while not falling behind on either for higher difficulties? Particularly with warmongering Civs, because what seems to always happen is my army isn't big enough to do what I want, or people get pissed at me really early and I don't have the infrastructure to go for other victory types as easily. This most recently happened when playing as Shaka.

>>172328778
It depends from the map you have. If you have a chokepoint, obviously you'll need less military, otherwise it's decided with the ressources, but usually, it's
>monument
>explorer
>mill

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>The thread survived through the night this time

>>172329350
I always post something right before I go to sleep

>>172329350
>the sun has vainquished the horrible night

>>172329795
What a horrible night to have a curse.

>>172330363
For /civ4xg/, every night is a curse.

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bump

>>172332253
jeez chill it was only on page 9

£26.49 for Galaxy edition Stellaris online, will it go cheaper during summer sale?

>>172332492
Perhaps, but is waiting 6 months to save £10 really worth it?

>>172332492
Probably.

It's paradox, though. Just pirate it. In like a week when the new DLC comes out, though.

>>172332852
Does this thread have a dedicated place to pirate like /gsg/ does? New CK2 dlc out and its up in a few hours. Where as I have no idea where to get Utopia.

Don't get me wrong I buy the base game but I don't see why I should support Paradox by buying dlc that should be in the base game.

>>172333060
No, because unlike /gsg/, we're not cunts.

>>172333176
>Paradox release an unfinished mess that has the potential to be a great game
>Buy it anyway to support paradox
>Pirate all the dlc that will inevitably make it the great game that you originally payed for.

Is there anything inherently 'cuntish' about this?

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>>172333531
>Paradox releases a half-baked game because they're stupid/unexperienced/starved for money
>for a niche audience, so with low sales
>release more DLCs
>"nope, gotta pirate them DLCs, shoulda been in the game"

Not saying Paradox is right, but you're not right either.

Persia and Macedon are inbound, folks.

How do they fit into the tiers?

>>172333667
I can do it
you can't stop me
might makes right
dont bother bringing morality with these prices and business practices.

>>172329350
it's the middle of the night here

>>172333667
I can tell you are a paradox-apologist right from the get go since you take agency from them by saying they are stupid/unexperienced/starved for money and so blameless.
Then you continue to make excuses on behalf of them.

I bought a £40 game. I'm not paying £60 more over the years to get what the base game was supposed to be.

>>172332283
sometimes I wait, watching it, page 9, page 10, page 10 + ten minutes, and then I forget and it dies and I feel bad.

>>172334059
>>172334212
>The Faggot

>>172332720

Summer sale will be at the end of June though.

>>172334660
That's just half of six month.

>>172334437
Are you some autistic sperg who cant into situations? That image you posted bore no relevance to me. I've bought the game at full price I simply refuse to pay a penny more untill I get my money worth.

Your anti-consumer view-point is cancer. I most certainly agree with you about full fledged pirates enjoying the fruits of other peoples labor for free but this is not that situation.

They released a half baked game as you admit here: >>172333667 (ignoring all the apologist bile you spew afterwards)

I will get my moneys worth.

>>172334947
>Are you some autistic
Stopped reading there. If you can't have a discussion without sperging out like an underage losing an argument and using the 4chan equivalent "well you're gay so you're wrong", then you don't deserve to be talked with.

>>172335060
>Stopped reading there
Stopped reading there. I knew from that point on that you actually read every word that I had written and simply did not wish to address my argument. A typical tactic of vapid morons who struggle with the very attempt of formulating the base of an argument. Quite amusing really you see it all the time.

We are done here.

>running away
As I expected, pirates never have any argument, nor talent for discussions.
This is why /kspg/ and /gsg/ are scorned.

So...as I was saying before the sperg sperged out. Anyone know a place that you can reliably pirate Stellaris dlc?

I've bought it all since now even plantoids so I'm quite new at it.

I guess If no one's got anything I'll have to look on the day of release or maybe the day after.

>>172336062
Try Google or /gsg/.

>>172336062
I just had a google and found a few places to get Leviathans but no where specific with it all like that CK2 place.

Your best bet would be to google a few hours after release.

>>172336062
Try to figure it out by yourself, moron.
Russians are fond of pirating, look on their forums, and don't ask links here. Illegal content is against the rules. Because yeah, there are rules, even on 4chan.

Fucking newfag.

>>172336062
>I guess If no one's got anything I'll have to find it FOR MYSELF

>>172336623
>everyone is telling me to look for it myself
>but fuck doing it! I'll just spam the thread until I'm spoonfed
>how dare people not cater to me and post illegal content on 4chan

>>172336772
>>172336397
Since when have the mods given a shit about piracy links?

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So, now that the sperging retard has been told to google it, what was your very first strategy game?

Mine was Dune. And the very first real-time game was Starcraft.

>>172336397
>>172336623
But If everyone googled every question and query before consulting the thread and found answers on various other forums then /civ4xg/ would die more than it already is

Was just wondering if anyone had any sites they use or w/e.

>>172336772
This general is luke-warm at the best of times and ded at its worst friend. I haven't spammed shit. I've spured discussion.

>>172337010
You didn't ask anything, you just whined and bitched.

>>172336987
Civilization 2.
Played it on PSX.
Or Populous 3(PSX too).

>>172337430
>on Playstation
Oh, shit, right. Before playing Starcraft on PC, I also played a Command and Conquer on Playstation too.
Completely forgot it.

>>172336987
The 'sperging retard' here. My first real time was also Starcraft but I never really got into any other variation of strategy game until Civ4.

Whats dune like? I mean I guess I could google it but I'd rather discuss.

>>172337291
Well sorry for any perceived wining and.or bitching. I post here alot and with the expansion on the horizon just thought I'd ask where I might find it. Now ofcorse I could google it but I could google everything and never come here again but I'd rather not.

This is the first time people's rode my ass over it.

>>172337582
Well there were also AMIGA 600 and Dune 2 and Settlers but I have no idea how to play it(didn't even know that you can save and load and mostly were watching how older brother of the friend play it).

>>172337674
>Whats dune like?
Have you played a Japanese VN?
Pretty much the same. You go to sietchs, talk to fremen, each fremen represents a tribe who acts as a whole, with different population and expertise, and you tell them to get sprice or go to war. Or even to turn Dune into a green land.
It's too complex to put it in a single post and I'm angry after you.

I do remember accidentally bugging the game and locking myself out of the ending.

>>172337747
I remember trying Settlers, never figured out how to play.

>still no restart button for civ v
what are they thinking?

>>172337956
hm sounds interesting I'll have to look more into it and maybe pirate it ;^)

I too have played settlers and from what I remember it was like playing the Stronghold 2 peaceful campaign. Greater focus on village growth than combat. Although I don't remember it very clearly.

>>172338889
Dune isn't that interesting. It's pretty linear : "go there, talk to that fremen, talk to Stilgar, talk to Shani, leave Gurney Halleck here, attack that fortress".
There's not much to do.

>>172224419
Hi strategy general, first time / long time, please be kind (or not, w/e).

I've been enjoying Stellaris, but can't really figure out how to get into war with other nations in a meaningful way.

Where to start?

>>172270982
How big was your fleet to take that guy down? Like value wise.

>>172339262
Are you asking how to make Stellaris *feel* more meaningful, or how to use war to have more impact on your relative position?

If it's the first, fuck if I know. I'd prefer the game if it was working with an established universe like 40k or Star Trek/Wars.

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>>172340309
Yeah that question is weird as fuck, it's a video game , what's he mean by meaningful?
If he even looked at the game at all he'd know you can just declare war on neighbours whenever you felt like, asking for as much as you can in war score.

Would Aurora work in 3D?

>>172336987
damn this brings back good memories.
I absolutely must find the disc some day

That new Alexander looks absolutely retarded

>>172345209
THE GREAT

>>172214503
9 more days until Utopia and Banks

>>172345209
he looks like Ronnie Wood, why does he look so old and nasty

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civ 6 update is out for pirates

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How am I supposed to make Morgan's faction in Stellaris now that Banks is rebranding Individualist to Egalitarian?

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>>172313171
BERT with the Codex overhaul mod is actually really good. Same thing as Civ V, it's only really good when you play with the Vox Populi overhaul.

>>172348096
Cross your fingers and hope that the government and ethics build modder updates so we get more options.

>>172346805
hoping for a mediocre improvement at least

>>172343339
No.

>>172343339
Its playerbase is autistic enough to deal with the added complexity, so sure.

Someone make a constanza of civ 6 Rome's leader.

how do you approach the star devourer without it devouring half your fleet?
Corvette swarm?

>>172273843
They will get -100% happiness or habitability
Might not be a good idea unless you're willing to purge
Who knows what might come out

>>172348247
JESUS CHRIST

>>172348096
take fanatic materialist instead

>>172352556
But that wouldn't capture the distinction between Morgan and Zakharov at all. Also, Before Morgan was Fanatic Individualist and Materialist. Now I don't even know what I would pick for the second ethic. Pacifist maybe?

>>172353234
you don't have to spend all three ethic points no?
xenophile maybe? He'd love meeting new species to do business with or sell shit to... but that would lock out enslaving or?

Maybe, ironically, some authoritarianism would be fitting considering how he's more of a monopolist mogul than he is a market idealist

>>172301398
Imperial Germany isn't Nazi Germany. Please apologize.

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Are Jump Drives really that much better than Warmholes?

>>172333667
>because they're stupid/unexperienced/starved for money
They've been doing this for more than a decade. It's their business model. Johan won't be getting a single penny out of me.
t. /gsg/ pro

>>172354295
t. self-righteous shitposter
Yeah okay, liquor lord.

Has anyone cracked open the latest Civ update files to see if there's any leaks on the next DLCs?

>>172336062
I downloaded from Skidrow

>>172354359
Le ebin liqouria 2 may may xDDD you got me you little willy waggler you haha hahahaha

>>172354798
This is why nobody like you.

>>172355073
t. Johan
Don't project your insecurity on me you autist.

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>>172353670
This. Morgan is Authoritarian/Fanatic Materialist.

His faction definitely has a caste system in place, to, so as to differentiate between the Haves and the Havenots.

Utopia is so near, yet not soon enough. I want to play Stellaris but there's no point since Utopia and 1.5 are going to scrub all my in-progress games.

>>172354263
Yes. They are incredibly fast and long range. Makes crossing the galaxy trivial.

Did today's Civ VI patch make production faster?

>>172333715
Persia seems okay, a bit on the weaker side. Macedon is the fucking strong though.

>>172364651
What makes Persia weak?

What makes Macedon strong?

>>172364897
Persia's unique improvement is situational at best and their swordsman doesn't give you the option to switch between range and melee, meaning you get a 25 strength swordsman compared to other civs. They're good for attacking cities without taking damage in return, but they're pretty susceptible to units. Overall not a bad unit, but not really a good one either. The bonuses from their internal trade routes are pretty minimal as well. The extra trade route definitely helps though.

Meanwhile, the only eh thing about Macedon is the whole no war weariness thing. It's not a bad bonus, but that's it. As long as you have strong production, their building can easily give you a strong scientific boost whenever you want/need one. Their units work incredibly well with each other and both come right at the beginning of the classical era, usually before most enemies can build up a proper defense. The support bonus means even if they do have a proper defense, it's weaker than usual, and they tear through enemy units like tissue paper. The free eurekas and inspirations ensure you'll never fall behind in either tree. Best of all, when you're playing as Alexander, you don't have to see his hideous character model.

>>172366436
Forgot to mention, the extra movement for Persia for the first ten turns of a surprise war is incredibly good and probably their best trait when you're playing them as a warmonger, but it didn't seem to work for me when I played as them.

>>172366436
Thanks, that's a great >quick rundown.

I appreciate the time it took you to write it out for me.

>>172367908
Not a problem. Anything to keep the thread alive and the blood flowing. Persia is probably a lot better than I think they are, and Macedon is probably a bit worse. I'm pretty bad at judging civs until I play them a couple times or more.

>>172241762
What game is this, holy shit that banter.

>>172368254
Persia's production is pretty nice, since they incentivize inter-city trade.

Speaking of production, did the new patch speed things up?

What do you think of the Australian civ?

>>172369747
Yeah, I tend to favor internal trade routes in most cases, so Persia definitely fits my playstyle. I had a lot of fun with them.

>Speaking of production, did the new patch speed things up?
Not that I know of. I haven't noticed it if they did.

>What do you think of the Australian civ?
Grossly overpowered, but still fun to play. I'm looking forward to giving them a try now that they've been nerfed a bit, and now that harbors have been buffed. I never get tired of listening to their music.

>playing stellaris when banks is literally 10 days away

why even

>wonder texts for the new wonders is in some shitty language I can't read

Thanks, Firaxis.

>>172370312
>Not that I know of. I haven't noticed it if they did.
Huh, that's funny. I swear things seemed to go by much more quickly. Maybe that's because I was playing as Persia, and had internal trade routes, but +1 Production isn't THAT large of a difference, is it?

>Grossly overpowered, but still fun to play. I'm looking forward to giving them a try now that they've been nerfed a bit, and now that harbors have been buffed. I never get tired of listening to their music.

How were they overpowered, and how have they been nerfed?

>>172370317
It's KILLING me, dude.

I want to play again REALLY BADLY, but there's no point in starting a game.

>>172370837
I really overdid it on the commas there.