/domg/ - Dominions General

>>172101787
Your research goals are strange to me.
What nation is this?

>>172102182
EA Arco running awake dog that needed mindhunt

>>172102405
So you just got mass flight access?

Or is there some other spell I can't think of right now that needs those two paths?

>>172103983
If he's playing with ME, then there's actually a bunch of stuff in Ench 7. If not, there's two gemgens (EBDW and Stellar Focus), treelords, solar brilliance, life after death, and (as you pointed out) mass flight

>>172104848
Now, admittedly, none of these are spells I'd prioritize over RoS or FW or even golems for that matter, but eh.

>>172104848
Yeah, but none of those need Conj 4 or Alt 4.

I guess he could just need those for other things.

>>172105006
Oh, yeah, no I assume those are unrelated

What makes MA Ermor good and Lemuria bad?

>>172107428
Skeletons are way better than ghosts, because their attacks are not negated by magic resistance.

Lemuria also has no lictor equivalent to give them heavy hitting power behind their chaff.

>>172107428
MA Ermor has a top tier mage (dusk elders) that costs significantly less than Lemuria's mid-tier mages, since Lemuria pays for immortality on its dudes. Ermor gets both a bunch more units, and they have actual weapons instead of spectral weapons so their attacks aren't negated by MR. Ermor has awesome sacreds that it can either summon or reanimate and Lemuria doesn't. Ermor is in an era with more gems and less gold. Ermors forts go up more quickly. Ermor has reliable reanimation whereas Lemuria has to roll for ghosts. Lemuria's rely on being ethereal rather than having prot, so they get owned even harder by stuff like flaming arrows and fire shields that are already good against undead. Lemuria's units can fail morale checks whereas Ermor's are largely mindless.

Mostly it's the mage costs, sacreds, and that Lemuria's units are MRN. Summod makes Lemuria significantly better, and also slightly less cancerous since they need to hold land and aren't as good at spamming forts and holing up inside of them

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How to LA Pythium in summod? Serpent cult?

>>172108395
I would have put down immortality as a benefit to Lemuria.

It lets Lemuria do much riskier tactics with their mages and deploy them much more frequently than MA Ermor. It is especially important since both have low-astral mages with very high costs per-mage that are perfect for magic duelling.

>>172108772
The cults play differently. Fire Cult is the most straightforward, since it gives recruitable sacred heavy infantry and some thugs and so on. It's like Pythium with more tools. Serpent Cult pushes you to use hydras, which are pretty bad if you don't have a massive bless for them. Even if you do, they're a bit hard to support and don't let you do the only thing pythium does well (get ahead on research with foreign rec mages and do diverse battlefield spells) since you have to dump scales to get it. If you want to go for spamming assassins then, like, you can but it's taking fort turns away from magery. Fertility cult is kinda like vanilla pythium, but just better since you get your foreign rec research better. You also get some weird animal summon stuff and an unreliable remote assassination spell, so you have a few more tricks but they aren't actually just stronger in the way that the fire cult's stuff is. If you actually like vanilla pythium's weird diversity-focus thing, then fertility would be good. If you want pythium but with actually worthwhile units, go fire/bull. If you just want to tribless hydras and die to fire elementals, go snek

>>172108959
Yeah, but he was asking specifically what makes MA Ermor good and what makes Lemuria bad. Lemuria is also better at holding forts since its stuff isn't mindless and does some battlefield stuff better. They're different; I was just going over relative disadvantages.

How do I play as an Asphodel? W9 god and black centaur spam? Should I make some centaurs to reanimate or rather focus on alt research? What are the best scales for freespawn?

Don't fucking die

>>172112840
Growth 3 Magic 3 Luck 3 for max freespawn, but it's not hugely important
Recruit mages for research; even Ermor wants to spend its gold on recruitable mages when it gets halfway decent indies, and Aspho is only halfwise a popkill nation

go W9 or W9N9

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Are there any ongoing recruitment for a games?

>>172116729
>>172116729

http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=aBoneToPick
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=ElfingAround
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=TheWheelHasTurnedOnceAgain
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=MAdman
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=EA_innovativethrones

>>172116721
So lets get some discussion going.

What is, in your opinion, the best recruit-anywhere unit (non-commander) in the game?

>>172116910
Indie raptors. 10 gold, low resource flying lances. In FrogAndToad I just birded Marignon.

As Agartha.

>>172116964
That's not a choice I expected at all, but understandable.

I think powerful combat units are more valuable, but it's hard to measure how much value flying gives you.

I'm not sure an indie counts as rec-anywhere, but spire horn are rec-anywhere and basically the same.

>>172117101
Oh, I see what you mean. Chud Hirdmen or Einheres then, probably.

Spire horns cost less than indie raptors and are better so yeah

>>172116910
Chuds hirdmans. Two attacks, berserk, fairly good stats (17 HP, 16 prot +2 with berserk).

>>172117721
I hate that dual wielding units are more often than not better than weapon+shield units. It's like, you take a shield unit over a dual wielder when you face archers, but never again. Ambidextrous should be a rare ability, not standard on every single fucking dual wielder

>>172117993
>Dual wielder without ambidextrous

dude, what?

>172081559

I believe Xibalba was in fact invading you because we clashed this turn. Anyway we can settle as is.

>>172118051
That's literally what dual wielding is like in the real world. Among other reasons why it's a stupid idea.

Dual wielding from a historical perspective was mostly (key word there, mostly) long weapon+much shorter weapon. In western combat it was mostly cut+thrust weapons like rapiers and sideswords+a parrying dagger or a buckler. Yes, in western martial arts sword+buckler falls under weapon in both hands. Fighting with two long weapons is difficult and pretty much pointless because you don't actually get two attacks. You can strike with one weapon, and rotate your entire body around to strike with the other, which takes just as long as rechambering a strike with the first weapon, or you can strike with both at once which does fucking nothing because of the way our bodies are built.

>>172117249
>>172117721
I'd argue einhere are substantially better than chuds. Better damage output and lower cost outweighs the lower health.

>>172118326
>Fighting with two long weapons is difficult and pretty much pointless because you don't actually get two attacks.
Is there any unit which actually does that in dominions, though?

The closest I can think of are vanhere/einhere/chuds, which use a broadsword (len 2) and short axe (len 1).

I don't mind the unrealism so much, I'd just like some more variety in viable units. It'd be nice for units with a defensive focus to be viable, or offensive units which focus on a single powerful 2h weapon rather than dualwielding.

>>172118659
C'tis Falchioneers dual wield falchions.
An arming sword and axe is still difficult to do, and you can't even effectively parry with the axe. It's more fun yeah, but I would like to see ambidextrous be more rare so that dual wielders aren't automatic picks.
2h weapons suffer from not really giving good bonuses. They don't have the punch of 2 weapons, the length bonus isn't useful on non-pikes and they lack the defensive bonuses of a shield. I'd like to see bigger bonuses to +atk and +def for greatswords, and higher damage bonuses for stuff like battleaxes and halberds

>>172118981
I'd like something like a damage penalty for multiple attacks. Justify it by saying you can't hit as hard per weapon when using two of them.

That leaves multiple weapons good for dealing with relatively lightly armored foes, especially ones with shields. They'd lose a ton of damage against armor, leaving them less good in that situation. You already see it happening with troops like jaguar warriors if they're not strength buffed.

2h weapons should be more useful to punch through the protection of troops in heavy armor who can't dodge well. They'd lose a lot more damage against lightly armored troops who can block or dodge their hits entirely.

At least, that's how it'd work without mage support. I'm not sure how it'd go heading into midgame or lategame.

Raise dead or horde of skeletons?

>>172120238
If I remember right, raise dead requires corpses (generally generated by units dying in the fight). Go with horde of skeletons, it's much more reliable and just as good in many situations.

>>172120238
>>172120561
Just tested it, it requires corpses.

It can cast with insufficient corpses, but will only summon as many soulless as there are corpses. If there are two corpses your mage will still cast raise dead, but you'll only get two summons out of it rather than the 10 it says.

That's not a problem later in the fight, but might be early on. If you really need soulless, I'd try leading with a few shadowblasts to make some corpses from the enemy army.

How good is purgatory against undead? Does it destroy percentage of them based on candles or what?

>>172118326
To be fair a lot of the guys who dual wield are not human or if they are they are special like TCs Wushu fuckers.

>>172122271

Its very good. It burns a lot of undead and the more candles you have the faster they burn.

>>172122271
>this kills ermor

>>172123756

Yes, its a great counter if you can get your dominion on Ermor.

>>172118072
I'm glad your not wanting to fight me meant you were going to take two more of my provinces.

>>172130861
>trusting Malakal
>ever

>>172130861

There was no reason to stop fighting before I received any response. One sided cease fires never end well.

>>172134278
Hello Lemuria.

>>172135197
Well, he's not wrong. If you're fighting, you keep fighting until the truce is agreed to. If you need to exchange provinces, you can set that up after the fact. Until the other side actually agrees to stop fighting, though, it's stupid to ever stop

>>172136006
Thats just dumb. Attacking while you ask for peace means no one is ever going to take you seriously. All you have to do is not attack for literally one turn so you can see a response and not being able to do that doesnt exactly paint you in a good light.

>>172136660
If you're fighting someone competent, a reasonable number of provinces will change hands every turn. You can still be in a stalemate situation where both sides would benefit from peace while having a volatile border where each side takes 5 provinces from the other. Making a peace offer without attacking, and then waiting for the response means that you lose 10 provinces in that situation if the other side decides to say no. If you get a sudden uptick in your war, then saying no becomes much more appealing as well.

>>172136883
You cant just ask for peace while attacking someone, thats just common sense. They arent going to accept you logic because you just fucking attacked them and they will get butthurt over it and keep fighting.

>>172137125
Well, presumably they were attacking you as well. Yes, you can't attack someone out of the blue and then ask to keep those provinces peacefully. If both of you are fighting across your border, though, it makes total sense to be like "Let's stop this." If you get an offer like that and are uncomfortable with the provinces that you just lost, you can always ask for them back as a condition to the peace.

>>172137125
Maybe they should have responded in the first place then.

>>172137505
The problem isnt them not responding its attacking before they have a chance to respond. But if they did have a chance to respond and didnt say shit thats on them.

>>172134278
If you still want peace I need those two provinces back.
Otherwise as soon as I clear Ulm off my fort this turn my army turns north.

>>172137463
All you have to do to show you are serious is not attack for one turn. You can still move your guys into position so they can defend against an attack. You arent going to take that much from them in one turn and if you can why are you bothering to ask for peace in the first place.

>>172136883
you can ask for a fast response and they certainly can't do a full aggression within one turn.

>>172137985
>>172138014
Do you guys, like, not spread out your troops across a broad front? Are volatile exchanges really that alien to you? Both sides are on 'full aggression' all the time in an actual war, and Dominions massively penalizes defensive play. This is especially true if you're the one that's better at raiding but worse at a straight fight.

>>172138014
Yeah, if you're talking out of game it's no problem.

What afflictions does Ur's pretender heal in cap in summod and how fast? Because either I have shit luck or some of them won't heal at all.

>>172139949
none; it's bugged and s1w doesn't care

>>172138546
conversation should happen before having full armies on each other borders.

>>172140129
He's making a peace offer during an ongoing war. If you aren't at war yet, you don't need to make a peace offer

>>172140451
>If you aren't at war yet, you don't need to make a peace offer
/domg/ - smart people general

>>172140814
I can't offer you peace if we're not already at war. That's like me offering you your life; looks more than a little threatening. You could agree to some kind of non-aggression pact or other deal though.

>>172141301
Not him, but it's called prevention (NAPP). And then backstabbing.

How do Grip of Winter and Heat from Hell interact? Does the one that gets cast second overwrite the first? Do they just cancel?

>>172143112
They stack

>>172143959
That's so ridiculous, I love it. Thanks!

>>172143112
They stack, oddly.

>>172139949
It will never recover from the shame of dying to PD.

>>172146620
somebody post the fenrir that died to 1pd

>>172137965

I expected a battle but got nothing. Sad!

>>172148876
I had a few giggles when my bog standard scout killed almost 20 after being caught by an army of over 100.

>>172151658
why were you expecting a battle? Ulm is the only one actually fighting me, Ragha and Bats were vulturing provinces and I was taking them back by killing their raiders.

>>172151658
also, you wanted peace....

>>172152180
What the fuck is Agartha doing.

>>172152180
>>172152349

What? You promised to clear Ulm off a fort and you didnt deliver.

>>172152428

Who is this?

>>172152428
Being a little bitch about my coastal forts. Joke's on him, I already popkilled out all those provinces.

>>172154007

Ehhhhh

bump

guys argue about sth

>>172158663
You're ugly

>>172158663
HP bonus/malus from dominion for pretenders should be a flat value, not percentage. Discuss.

>>172159478
No, that's gay.

Let's talk about Ragha instead. How would you design it to actually use its hot v cold mechanic?

>>172158663
Asphodel is more fun than MA Pangea.

>>172159683
MA Pan is toppest tier. MA Aspho is still okay, but not nearly as dominant

>>172159618
I wouldn't give it temp tolerance for starters. That just encourages you to go to 3 in one scale and means if either of the scale variants is slightly better than the other you will only see that variant.

>>172159618
Force Ragha's provinces to always go to Cold 3 in winter and Heat 3 in summer.

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Police and Niggers, that's right
Get out of my way
Don't need to buy none of your
Gold chains today


>this is a year 5 army

What the fuck are you doing my colored neighbor, this is disgusting to look at.

>>172159618
Give it low level and cheap national spells to change the temp scale in the province the caster is in.

Make both hot and cold options complement each other, instead of just being different flavors of mages, so that going neutral and recruiting with the seasons is less dumb. Maybe cold has better priests and heat has better sacreds. I dunno, lots of ways to try to make pairs better together.

>>172159986
At least you tried buddy.

>>172159830
It's such a cool concept, it's a shame that you end up needing to go one way or the other.

>>172160594
That's a decent suggestion.
Maybe just have cycles so that whatever scale you have you can only recruit the units half of the year?
Or include that you can recruit both in the transitionary seasons?

Actually fuck that, best way is to have temp scales influence recruitment volume, not just a binary check of whether or not you can recruit them at all.

>>172160765
Sorry. I was kinda lost in the aspho/pan thing. You're right

Anyone played a Magic Enhanced game yet?

>>172152180
I'll have you know I haven't successfully vultured a damn thing.

>>172162793
its goofy and barely balanced, but its kind of fun to see just how goofy and to mess with particularly fucked stuff. the new magic items are generally pretty fucking broken and some of the spells are just dumb. i havent been able to cast it in a multiplayer game yet, but the domkill one seems really goofy, and i did get to spam out bladestorms which are just even better bladewinds

>>172159792
How exactly does one stop dom10 awake carrion dragon barreling down on you year 1 with 150+ manikins?

>>172164556
have you tried curling into the fetal position and crying?

>>172162793
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=aBoneToPick
no but I made one!

>>172163508
There's a new version out that nerfs some of the items: http://z7.invisionfree.com/Dom3mods/index.php?showtopic=2927&view=findpost&p=40008178

>>172165501
I really want to play a LA game os Jomon just to try out their fancy katana thing. If the items are a little better balanced that would help, but I feel like some of the spells need work too, but I don't have enough experience to really elaborate on them outside of speculation

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>>172148876

>>172164873
There's a new version that comes packaged with Summod

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Reminder to take your fucking turns.

>>172168172
I'll update before we start, no worries m80
>>172167584
thanks

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>>172171391

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Every thread until you like it.

NEVER
EVER

>>172174626
jokes on you I love lolis

I surrender

What's the latest pirated version? The latest I have is 4.22

>>172184370
For what purpose?

>>172184506
So that I can play it as a time waster. I'm too scared to watch anime, and I don't know if Civilization is a game I might like.

>>172184675
You can't really do multiplayer with a pirated version anyway, so just use what you've got.

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>>172184675
What did he mean by this?

>>172184790
I know that. But it's fun for me to just create a big blob and play SimCity against bots.

>>172185016
And summon the eater of the dead as ermor.

>>172184675
why are you scared to watch anime

>>172186756
maybe he doesn't want to slowly turn into a moe loving fag?

I love olms!

>>172187123
That's pretty easy if you aren't subhuman

Moe is cancer, learn to appreciate good storytelling.

>>172187267
kys

>>172187267
Olms are pretty ok.

>>172187267
olms are more human than weebs

>>172187123
moe is trash, i only appreciate the finest of anime, such as One Piece, Legend of The Galactic Heroes, and Nanna.

>>172187267
EA agartha is one of my favorite nations because of the olms and big fat creepy looking guys. And they can cast burden of time just fine and not be too bothered.

>>172187546
I'd like One Piece a bit more if half of every new episode wasn't taken up by the intros and recaps.

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>>172187546
>One Piece
>anime

Christ, that thing is nearly unwatchable. It's a series of recaps held together by panning over still images. The manga is infinitely more tolerable than that no budget abomination.

>>172188154
Dont forget 10 minutes of random characters shouting and/or crying.

It used to be fun once. I wonder when all the recap shit got so bad. Some of the early fights were the shit.

Do f9 or d9 apply to ranged attacks? f9 says it doesn't, but i'm seeing some flaming arrows

>>172186756
Because I'm stupid, and I'm afraid that I'll be watching something I won't like or that the 4chan Empire will take offense to me watching and/or liking.

>>172188940
You have some strange proclivities my dude.
I enjoy watching bleach, and bleach is the epitome of bad, just be yourself senpai

>>172191016
Can you just link me the latest version of the dom4 crack?

>>172191016
Bleach was pretty ok until after they rescued whatshername from the execution with the fire bird spear.

>>172191114
I don't have one.
I haven't seen one posted since before the cave patch either

>>172191270
When was the cave patch?

>>172191430
xibalba and Agartha improvements, I think it was roughly a year ago

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>>172174626
I found him again later. Afflictions were healed and he was toting a just man's cross.

>>172198525
Legends say Helheim is buttmad even to this day.

>>172198525
Oh man I should've saved the pictures of bob in fourth. Had over 222 kills on his hands before he died his first death.

>>172159618
First of all, nerf zhayedan heavily or make the cold sacred equally valuable. As they are now, they're too good to miss out on.

Make its temperature recruits 'sticky'. If you go into cold, you keep cold recruits until you get heat scales, and vice versa.

Right now, neutral temp ragha can only recruit good mages half the year. This would increase that to the whole year round everyone else gets (including heat/cold ragha).

>>172188684
they should apply.

>>172184675
you can download dominions 3 as a free demo on the dev's website. it's close enough to dom4 that you will see how shitty single player is and how the only way for mature men to enjoy this game is to play multiplayer, which imply we all have to fund Illwinter's cocaine trips.

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>>172154007
>biggest player in the game
>too busy quarreling with squids to take advantage of his position
I'm okay with this.

>>172208774
>Letting somebody fight alone against a cancer nation

It'll end badly for you in the long run, y'know.

>>172211636
I'll be fine.

ded

Does anyone ever go for 9 Levels in the Pretender's Magic path to get bonuses like Regeneration for their sacred troops? Is it stupid to try building a sacred army starting on the first turn?

>>172216420
Many many many nations have great sacreds for expansion with x9s. Giants are the poster boys of x9x9 blesses.

>>172216420
Depends on variables family.
Water is rarely taken less than 9.
Nature all the way to regen depends on how much health and other defense they have and whether they care about regenerating.
Others are more varied.

Just look at the sacred unit, imagine if it has a bless effect or not and think about how good that would be. It's a fairly basic thought exercise.

>>172216556
Thanks, then I will try rolling Fomors.

>>172216669
Yeah, I figured Regeneration won't do much for squishy humanoids.

Two very basic questions I'm unsure of the answer to:
Shape changing, Zhayedans for example:
If blessed or otherwise buffed prior to shape change, do they retain these effects?
Is a barkskin unit no longer barkskin if it changes shape?
If it is wounded before is it wounded the same in the other shape?

Other question is, how does ethereal interact with protection. Do both apply or are you tossing away a unit's protection in favor for the ethereal roll?

>>172217056
Buffs carry over between shapechanging units, as far as I know. Maybe there's a specific variety which doesn't, but every one I've encountered has had buffs carry over.

Ethereal and protection stack perfectly fine. It's just most guys with intrinsic ethereal have zero protection because they don't wear armor.

>>172216890
it can be worth taking if they're very good, like vanheres. N9W9 on EA vanheim works quite well

>>172219402
I thought the N9 there was for the thug lyfe

>>172220362
yeah but it helps the vanhere as well. They only regen like 2 HP/turn but that helps since they're at their best when berserk, and you want them to stay berserk for as long as possible

Game now displays a tip on the main menu. Thanks Johan!

FrogAndToadmin, please set Atlantis AI or sub him kthx

I joined a game today and intend to go AI on the first turn because I hate the admin. Felt very good

>>172221234
What game?
Also.going ai the first turn doesn't do much, you want to go AI turn 10/15 after being last every turn and not doing doubles, maybe stale once or twice before going ai

>>172222226
it's a secret
And I will try that second one. Also I will attack him the turn I AI so that the AI is hostile to him

>>172222553
>Also I will attack him the turn I AI so that the AI is hostile to him
Devilish.

>>172222553
>>172221234
>>172222226

i don't support ruining games for other people, but i do like vangeance...what did the Admin do to you that it's worth avenging and shitting on other people too?

>>172216890
It's good for jaguar warriors, since they have a second shape which also benefits from the bless. Combine with B9 and the real fun begins.

>>172222553

This will do absolutely nothing, since the AI will just redo the turn.

>>172222553
make sure you go with something ridiculous like a high Dom immobile in MA Ctis dominion

Where's the best position to put mages so that they don't get raped by arrows during a seige (attacker side)? Assuming you have archers and front line chaff.

>>172226458
Far away from your archers.
Not too close to regular troops.

>>172226551
Do the towers have a preference for archers or something?

>>172227027
Overlooked the siege bit.

Does glamour help protect against aoe spell like EQ?

>>172227545
Nope. I dont think glamour even helps against regular arrows.

>>172224950
I joined as statue of fertility Ermor
>>172224426
fuck
>>172223151
He refuses to postpone for anyone, but postpones for weeks for himself. He basically plays disciples by having at least one IRL friend in every game that they are allies all game. He "forgets" trading deals

>>172228171
>tfw 700 monkey archers that cost half a gold a monkey kill 30 elves
its worth it desu, even if its not actually worth it

>>172228589
Just attack him first and wait until he counter attacks. You'll go AI and he'll end up attacking you because you were at war, thus pissing off the AI.

>>172228971
so 350 gold for 600 gold kill? I think that's worth it.

>>172229198
they dont actually cost half a gold a piece, theyre like 5 or something. theyre terrible but its still funny

If I have priests preaching on a fort while other commanders are sieging it, and they break siege, do the priests join the fight?

Does anybody want to trade their death gems. Giving nature,fire or earth ones.

>>172230752

Everyone in the castle fights the besieging army if it breaks siege. if they didn't, the hordes of wolves/skeletons you've been summoning for chaff would just melt on the first turn without any leadership.

>>172231240
You mean the besieged army right?

The besieged army would fight the priests who have been preaching as well as those who have been sieging

>>172221065
k

Does anybody know how guard towers work in a seige? Like what are their attack priorities, how much damage, etc?

>>172231459

Whoops, misread that. Yes, the besieged army would fight the priests who have been preaching as well as those who have been sieging.

But still same answer. If you have a priest set to "preach" and a commander set to "siege" (presumably with an army attached) on an enemy's fort, and the enemy sets his commanders to "break siege" inside the fort, the priest will participate in the fight, regardless if it is "maintaining siege" or "preaching"

literally thousands of hours to test.

>>172230803
Will check if I need anything once I'm home.

Found a version from mid-July.

https://mega.nz/#!3wpkWIKQ!v1THky_egFtEua0kiZQ-aPbVjCKgWRHwrHMEGD6YFvc

Anything newer than this one?

>>172232126
Thanks. I'm a newer player, and I've never done this interaction before.

What would be the easiest way to set up a game where I could control two sides at once without it being PBEM?

>>172232892
You can just set two nations to human controlled in single player. Just keep clicking on the AI difficulty until it changes to human.

What are the worst, most useless, no utility units in the game?

>>172234005
Your current nation's sacreds.

>>172234005
i really struggle to find xibalba's dart throwers any useful compared to their lance friends.
i don't even know how to script them since they won't even fly if i tell them to fire.

>>172234868
But burning ones are pretty strong.
>>172235058
That was another thing I meant to ask. Do all flyers with a ranged weapon not fly if told to fire? Because thats some bullshit.

MEMES SHALL SAVE US.
QUICKLY CREATE MEMES

>>172238628
It's not a meme but Pangaea's nymphs are some hot stuff. Wild naked women with horns, long messy hair and goat legs? Genius.

>>172239184
10/10 would put it in their goat anus

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>>172239184

>no Australian nation

Let's correct that, shall we?

>>172240305
That dude was a brave mother fucker. That kangaroo could have disemboweled him.

>>172239353
Morale+DRN/14 would be awed by goat anus.

>>172240489

If kangaroos are so tough why didn't it disembowel the dog?

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>>172240305
>yfw Australian Pangaea
>kangaroo pans
>spider centaurs
>crocodile minotaurs

Which nations can build naval forts in Middle and Late?

>>172240913
They normally wrestle dogs and dingos to the ground before they fuck them up. Also the dog was wearing chest armour since they were out to hunt boars.

>>172241078
What nations can build forks in Middle and Late?

>>172241263
Where is the joke dobson

>>172241348
In a fort

>>172241078
Jomon is the big one.

>>172235421
Burning Ones are okay, but their hideous defense score does them no favours, and means that they're more vulnerable than most sacreds to being countered by simple good positioning, since almost everything is going to shred them if it gets the first attack in.

Does anyone have a cached version of the booster guide I can check out, since Desura is currently dead?

>>172241078
literally just open dom4inspector and check what nations have UW recruitables

>>172242919
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1guUcu_b1jTKzYZ3vNWIrENioLqlIFvDFVzlfhQEt6CI/edit
or use archive.org

>>172243046
Which do you think is the best, then? Second-best, in case the best is a self-destructive nation.

>>172243643
MA Agartha, LA Xibalba and LA Atlantis are top tier. LA Mictlan is p good. MA Xib can be strong too, depending on the map. Other ones are on the weaker side.

>>172241486
For you.

>>172232658
Would still like an answer to this post.

>>172235058
>>172235421
Xib's dart throwers are used precisely for that rare situation where you want your units to not fly and not be in line formation. It's a pretty niche case, but I used it a few times with natgen bats that had darts

In summod, lance bats are useless because the clubswords do 14 damage on every swing, whereas lances do 14 damage on the initial strike and only 10 damage per hit afterwards. The 30% armor piercing is generally not worth the damage dip, since most things against which it's relevant will also require a second hit to kill, at which point the club swords are better.

>>172242628
They have solid prot and HP, so even things that hit them first won't necessarily kill them.

So would you prefer this or Civilization for playing Simcity?

>>172246440
Probably Simcity since you cant build more than three buildings in dominions.

>>172232658
what is it nigger
is it the actual game?

>>172245141
Maybe, but the point is that while they're good for expanding, Burning Ones are pretty mediocre against actual players unless you go super heavy on a bless.

>>172248451
Double blessed burning ones are pretty great, mea familia. They're up there with vanheres and frosty giants for early game rushing. Abysia's issue isn't that burning ones aren't great; it's with actually doing stuff in the later part of the game, since nief and vanheim both have way better magic and can use the bless for their thugs while Abysia can't really do recruitable thugs.

>>172234005
Cavemen.

What's the difference between each "Magic Research is x" variable in game setup?

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>"bats are declawed now, they won't amount to anything anymore"
>"better stop attacking since they are out of the game"
FOOLS, ALL OF YOU
DON'T TELL ME I DIDN'T WARN YOU WHEN THEY WIN THE GAME

>>172251562
Just put up like 10 PD and you're set.

>>172251562
>niefelheim
>struggling against Bats
Why not just, like, walk onto their capital?

>>172251913
>Heat 3

>>172253183
so bring a few more giants?

>>172253183

Use a werewolf noob

I'm not asking for advice, just raising awareness among the other players that stopping bats eradication is a huge mistake.

>>172253373
So why I have all my giants at his caps he just caps all my provinces in two turns?

>>172253440
Way to early in the game. Don't even have revenants in the game.

>>172253776
If their cap is under siege, they have no money with which to buy more bats. Then, when you catch their raiding parties with your giants, their losses are permanent

>>172254808
Sorry, I was a steadfast member of the Anti-Bat Alliance, but after cowardly, selfish elves attacked there's no way I can help. My sole purpose is to keep elves busy for as long as possible...unleash the wolves!

>>172253776
sorry m9 my scouting is atrocious. All I saw was you and his capital when I stopped and I have no desire to fuck with bat's Cap

>>172256886
This is why we can't have nice things.

>>172258172
Why didn't you convince me not to drop out when I did?

>>172232297
>>172230803
I do have a lot of deathgems I have currently no use for and I would very much like earthgems.

>>172250934
magic research is easier makes you need less research to get more magic, magic research is harder means you need more. idk how you could possibly not immediately get that

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>>172259308
Do you have a chart handy for what the values are?

>>172259164
I didn't know, obv

>>172260190
So are you fighting bats again?

>>172259692

LUKAS STOP MAKING GAMES SO U CAN BADMIN FFS

>>172260345
abonetopick is not Lukas, I can confirm it because I'm the badmin, and last time I checked I'm not Lukas

>>172260963
We are all Lukas on this blessed day
Use just the combined mod, tho. It already includes both

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Amuys here.
I can resume work on my mods now that I just graduated the first and hardest part of Nuke School.

>>172261781
Congrats

>>172260052
no, theres only a few options and multiplayer games are always on normal because anything faster makes it go by way too fast. just look at them yourself

>>172263485
So where do I look up what the values are for the higher research levels?

>>172261781
>Amuys is a nuke
I don't know how to feel about this.
congrats, you do great work and are insanely prolific, so if your coding is anything to go by you're gonna make a great nuke

>>172261082
thanks, I actually wasn't sure.
Will change when I update the mod

>>172261781

Did you abandon your career in getting stabbed?

>>172265508
That always struck me as more of a hobby

>>172265613
Like Steven King and getting hit by cars

>>172263639
just research them you goober, set starting provinces as high as you can and money as high as you can and then you can play with however many schools there are human players you control yourself and make the chart you want to see. itll go by really fast

>>172265957
Was kinda just hoping this information was already documented somewhere, but okay.

>>172266205
like i said, its never used in multiplayer and most people dont even use it in singleplayer unless theyre just really goofing around.

>>172266478
easy research is standard for smaller blitzes to make stuff that isn't bless-rush more viable. difficult research was actually fun in the game I played with it, and I'd be down to run another larger game using it. early magic is still important, but it really extends the midgame and makes stuff like ros and golems take longer to come out

>>172266205
After spending 5 minutes testing each setting and googling the research chart

Level n; research for level (total research)
Level 1; 50 (50)
Level 2; 100 (150)
Level 3; 200 (350)
Level 4; 400 (750)
Level 5; 700 (1450)
Level 6; 1300 (2750)
Level 7; 2400 (5150)
Level 8; 4400 (9550)
Level 9; 8000 (17550)

Multiply by
Very Easy:0.4
Easy:0.5
Normal:1
Difficult:2
Very Difficult:4

>>172267771
Thanks my dude. It's curious that Very Easy and Easy are so close

>>172266712
not many people play blitzes in general i dont think, but that does make sense. and i feel like difficult research would make bless rushing really strong, or at least make them much harder to counter. though it might be itneresting depending i suppose

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>>172240937
>crocodile minotaurs

New Discussion
What if you make bless effects ridiculous but they only apply when your god is alive and awake?

Ex. Imprisoned A9 W9 E9 F9
Gives airshield and glamour (A9)
Quickness and liquid body (W9)
Reinvigoration and Ironskin (E9)
Flaming Weapons and uh... Heat Aura (F9)
but these blesses only apply after around year 3 when your god wakes and turn off when your god dies

>>172269538
airshield+ glamour might convince me to actually take A9 outside memes

>>172269538
Awake blesses are already decent. With this sort of thing in place, you'd pretty much never see anything else. With those examples, you'd basically see E9 earth snakes run by every nation every game

>>172269538
>Flaming Weapons and uh... Heat Aura (F9)
Fire shield nigger come on. Heat aura would knock out your own guys wouldn't it?

>>172261781
Voice of El mod when? REEEEEEEW

Dominions 4 but every time you fight a battle, you play a Conquest of Elysium 4 game with that army as your starting units

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>>172270890

>>172270890
I actually really like conquest of elysium and rarely lose against the AI, i havent played 4 that much since i just dont play games too much anymore but i had over 500 hours in 3

>>172234005
I've been playing for two years.
I'm still trying to figure out how to make EA C'tis serpent dancers work. They're literally sacred militia with less damage.

>>172234005
id have to with >>172250404 on this, i cant think of anything worse than cavemen.

>>172272384
I have no clue how to play EA c'tis, but some units just dont work anon.

>>172201715
Fuck you nick

I love LA Lentia!

>>172274163
What? I didn't kill him the first time.

>>172276132
Yeah you did though unintentional. Imagine the god of death dying to a stone statue.

>>172276337
No, I actually didn't. That was Moat. I killed him the second (and last) time.

Unless we're not talking about Fourth, in which case I'm just confused.

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>>172270890

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>>172269538
>heat aura
Yeah, that's exactly what Marignon needs.

>>172276520
Oh right sorry you're right. Forgot who's who for a second. For all that were watching during fourth hope yall had a good time because I did lol. Anybody have screenshots? I can't believe I didn't save those. If I go digging in my email logs I can probably find em.

Hey guys how do you guys successfully storm forts? Do you put mages waaay in the back to save them from archers or do you put them to the side away from archers but still close enough to hit inner defenders with spells? Any cool fort siegeing strategies?

>>172279894
Sit on all the forts till they go AI

Anyone interested in a normal vanilla EA game? I can summod if desired. xibalba and lanka will be banned if vanilla. Otherwise game on.

>>172116836
All these meme games suck. Can we play a normal game?

>>172280475
madman's only meme is that it's not a meme

>>172280196
If you're going to change the normal vanilla EA experience by banning nations, you might as well summod

>>172280196
>dogpile lanka and xib on turn 1
>do not be diploed into not doing that
Jesus christ people it's not hard.

>>172280196
EANoMeme

http://steamcommunity.com/groups/vanheimageofvidya/discussions/0/135512625253673621/

http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=EANoMeme

>>172280816
>>172281034
>Then proceeds to play Xibalba to win the game

Ok sure Xib is allowed...

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I'm glad I came back to this game.

Also, what's the deal with Man's baller-ass special knights? Those guys are pretty strong.

>>172282474
Man's everything is pretty strong

>>172282474
>>172283181
Man is scary as fuck.

I think I'm going to host a mega meme game, using summod and ME, along with the chocolate thrones and sites, an all nations in one age mod and some nation mods like warhammer and the pymous ones (ledan and those other two), maybe allow a special request nation as long as it isnt the super OP ones. You could have penguins fighting dwarves fighting MA ermor fighting EA jotunheim, itd be cool i think. I'd have to edit some stuff though because I know when you add in a lot of nations they tend to start interacting with each other in weird ways

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>>172283181

>>172283780
>warhammer
>ledan
>not super OP
Senpai...

>>172283780
easiest way would be to copy paste in whatever nations people request into a .dm and check for conflicts

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>How's the removing going guys?
> ...Guys?

>>172284670
theyre not OP on the same level as some of the mod nations, like the doom ones or a couple of others. and some of the warhammer nations are just really good by vanilla standards instead of super OP. i just want people to be able to play a vanilla nation if they really wanted to, xibalba or MA ermor or a few other nations would do fine

>>172285193
thats actually a pretty good idea, thanks anon

>>172286029
you can even throw whatever vanilla nations want to join in there too, just be careful of MA ermor/Lemuria and some of the other spawning nations having massive conflicts because of the way that mod cmd works

What in tarnation is happening in fourth turning?

I'm not awol, I just thought I'd already sent in my turn.

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>>172285657
I'm AI'ing myself. I know too well what late-game with 99 AIs is like. I probably could've won if I tried hard enough (stay tuned for AI with enchanted forests lel), but that's just not worth it. I don't have anything to prove to Lukas and Moa, and it will just be a total slog, so I'll save them the trouble.

>>172287693
>says to be elves
>in a game with only Eriu/Vanarus/Vanheim left

Literally which nation even are you?

>>172289110
Oh. I forgot. Vanheim.

>>172286831
Everyone is keeping true to the tradition of going in on the people that go in on Bats.

>>172286831
I attacked bats with Ur, because he had four thrones and as the name says that's when everyone turns on you.

Helheim and Kailasa punished Agartha in the name of the weeb, Niefelheim took a dive into Atlantis with the world's greatest underwater army, but that has since been destroyed.

Arco and Atlantis are going all tsundere on me. Pretty sure Aran got another death basket or two, not sure where from but its usually a safe bet.

Machaka is still hanging onto life . . . somehow. Therados, aiming for the toppest vulture award, vultured a bat throne and is currently in the process of consuming Pelagia (or trying to at least).

The entire world forgot TNN even existed because their glamour is more OP than the usual elf glamour.

>>172289468
>Helheim and Kailasa punished Agartha in the name of the weeb
I feel pretty vindicated now. Domo arigato you baka gaijins.

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saved the thread.

What are the most efficient uses of gems, out of combat?

>>172294194
empowering everyone to astral 1

>>172289468
>Niefelheim took a dive into Atlantis with the world's greatest underwater army, but that has since been destroyed.
You can't just say this and not post a battle report

>>172294194
Crafting and rituals. What a stupid question.

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>>172294723
Thanks for the non-answer.

>>172294951
You expect answers when you post worst girl?

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>>172294951
Okay, here's a better answer

>>172294951
>what's the most efficient use of gems in every situation ever
IT DEPENDS

Here's your answer. Now read the fucking manual and play some SP.

>>172294194

The most efficient use of fire gems is fire sneks.

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>>172295286
???

>>172294661
>a battle report
>implying there was only one

Will see if I can dig them up some time tomorrow if the thread needs saving.

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>>172296263

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Tips on Therodos for a friend?

>>172298382
Vanilla Therodos is unplayable.

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>>172296263
>>172296969

>>172298481
I spam EA R'lyeh in vanilla. Therodos can't be that bad.

>>172298872
HAHAHAHAHA

It can.

>>172298872
Go watch the badnation game on youtube, where people specifically drafted nations to be as fucking terrible as possible (including giving one dude nothing but standard units)

Now understand that all of those nations specifically made to be terrible are far better than vanilla therados. People legit could not make a worse nation.

>>172281034
>implying

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>Founded a research fortress on a well of pestilence
Fucking A.

>>172299665
So who's actually winning in that game, in terms of size / research / whathaveyou

>>172299768
no one yet, it's turn 20 because
>fast turns
was a meme

>>172299768
Who knows. I LITERALLY can't afford scouts.
Elves probably.

>>172300010
You can generally get an idea for who's big and who's been left alone to tech up by that point

>>172267771
>>172266205

It is. On the Dom IV Wiki. In the first post of the thread. Every thread.

http://dom4.wikia.com/wiki/Research
literally just added the research setting parts.

work on the wiki, yall.

>>172279894
Give your mages armor, buff them with anti-physical or anti-missile defenses, or just accept you're going to lose some. Where you put them depends on what you're doing.

Buffing troops with body ethereal to bypass the chokepoint created by the fort walls is a pretty fun strategy.

>>172244015
Jomon is honestly pretty good.

The download link for the map was actually broken (hosted on desura) so I changed the map to leaking land.
I also bumped it to two starting provinces.

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>>172304621
Check the map list on llama.

>>172299768
Elves have a lot of money cause I haven't been able to fight them for my lands, I'm currently holed up in my 3 forts. Bats are still alive, Nief is attacking them seemingly without help. Not looking so great, for me or the game.

>Elves are completely busy in my territory, hint, hint

Mict: 21-23
3+ forts

Sauro: 16-18
7 forts

Nief: 16-20 (volatile)
1 fort (just lost one)

Bats: 17-20 (volatile)
3 forts (just stole one from Nief)

Yomi: 17-21
unknown forts

Helheim: 16-18, not a lot of forts

Kailasa: 1 unsieged fort, 2 sieged forts

Marv: Capital, 2 other provinces

Therodos: 12 provinces, unknown forts

Bats and Frost Giants are swapping provinces a lot, and probably cut off from some of their income.I'd guess that Sauro's leading in research, followed by Mictlan or Yomi. Mictlan or Yomi are probably the richest, but Sauro's up there too since they have nice scales

>>172307878
Make sure to deathbasket elves or bats.
Maybe some day /domg/ will finally learn.

>>172308771
What bless is Mictlan running?

>>172309739
n9b9

>>172309091
By deathbasket, you mean give THEM gems? I've offered gems for a couple of things but nobody's taken me up on them, so right now my gems would go to Nief for his altruism.

>>172310824
If your whole goal is to take down Helheim, why not just bribe one of the big dogs into doing it? Mictlan, Yomi, or Sauro could each solo Helheim without too much issue.

>2017-03-27 18:41:11 +0200
>Impassable borders no longer counted for start locations

>>172311376

Yessss, wooo finally!!!

>>172311187
I've offered, but so far no one's done it. In case it was unclear, anyone attacking Helheim will be rewarded with whatever I have.

>>172310824
Yes, if you decide to give up, give them your gems. The holy duty of every /domg/ player is to remove bats, elves and cancer nations.
If they refuse to do that, let them burn. Maybe they'll learn once they drown in winged darkness.

>>172314208
What about birds, furries, ACTUAL furries, backstabbers, and dindus?

>>172314208
bats dindu nuffin

>>172314541
Birds are just bats without stealth, so yes.

>>172314871
Birds also don't blood

>>172314541
dindus literally dindu nuffin

>>172314541
You forgot giants.
>>172315727
They aren't master race, therefore they must be purged.

>>172316978
they were kangz tho

>>172314871
>>172316978
Birds are fine, it goes bats, elves, then maybe Pan. Giants are good, but they can't super-raid like the others.

To the MAdmen; would you guys be willing to accomodate a newb player? I have about 15 hours or so in, so I at least have half a clue of what I'm doing (though that was a while ago, I'm probably going to have to get some SP time in to refresh my memory), but I'd just like to make sure in case I end up getting immediately ANAKITE'D or something to that effect. Would still need to brew up a pretender et al for the game as well, so is there anyone I could discuss that with?

>>172319225
I can help somewhat, hop in the discord. I'm not IN MAdman so I can give you help without it being revealed

>>172319225
It's fine, as long as you're okay with dying before year 1 ends.
Ask for advice in /v/anheim steamchat, Dominions 4 discord server or #dom4goons on synIRC.

>>172319225
Dude join it'll be fine
NO PAIN NO GAIN

>>172319225
Join because losing is the fastest way to not lose. You look at what tools your opponent used and use them in your next game. You will probably lose quickly here, no offense

>>172319225
Find one or more of the experienced players on steam who aren't in the game and ask them a bunch of questions.

I'd suggest you post here asking for pretender advice, but doing so right after announcing you're a new player is probably not the best idea.

http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=EANoMeme

3/8

Join for vanilla EA game. Anybody can join.

>>172259257
50 for 50?
60 for 60?

>>172319225
it's the only way to learn. join.

just pray you won't border me, because i know no mercy