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It depends edition.

Dominions is a fantasy turn-based war game created by two dudes. One of them is a teacher.

The game combines a simple presentation with an extremely wide array of strategic options, including over 2800 units, 800 spells and 300 magic items. Turns are resolved simultaneously, with players planning battles rather than directly controlling them.

It has simplistic graphics but is easily moddable and extremely deep.

Basically, it's an autist’s wet dream of a war game.

>Steamgroup
Join the steamgroup for multiplayer
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/vanheimageofvidya

>Group chatroom
steam://friends/joinchat/103582791434709795

>Our work-in-"""progress""" wiki
http://dom4.wikia.com/wiki/Dominions_4_Wiki

>Our pastebin (NEEDS UPDATING NERDS)
http://pastebin.com/uTZnjYwm

>Dom4 Manual
http://jaffa.illwinter.com/dom4/manual_dom4.pdf

>Dom4 Inspector
This is a community resource that has every unit, spell, and item in the game in an accessible database.
http://larzm42.github.io/dom4inspector/

>Play by email guide:
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=202096551

>Debug Mod:
For testing battle formations and spells
https://www.dropbox.com/s/eo3qbjlixfghvs4/Debug.zip?dl=0

>Where do I get it?
It is available on Gamersgate and Steam. Desura is kill.

>THE BASICS
>Read the manual
>Read the wiki
>Read the pastebin
>Watch some LPs by Sy, Maerlande, or Nuclearmonkee
>Jump into MP feet first; ask for pretender advice in the thread

Submit completed games here:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1jHX_ZoJi6zIvDq6ANdp-W1Y89W5_fmShuDyHmAj5qC4/viewform

Results Here:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dlrvyEqLFYIaXRc49TheMmfdoP8jEh1m5rZJHJAzDWQ/edit?usp=sharing
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>>171950049
sauce on op pic is parantural.net/comic
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What are the most fun factions to play in the Middle ages?
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>>171950985
Oceania, Ermor
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>>171950985
Ulm is fun
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Battle Brother just got out of early access, fortunately I've done all my turns already.
See you later /domg/
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>>171951801
Bumping for justice.
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What's a good counter to 30 AI fiends of darkness? They look pretty strong all around. Maybe a Poison Res SC?
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>>171950985

Ulm, Agartha, and C'tis
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>>171950985
Nazca
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>>171951169
Why oceania? Do you enjoy being rushed by Pelagia?
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>50 hours in the game
>only learned recently that you can give gems to your wizards to help in battle
I wish I had a fetish for being humiliated and feeling like an idiot.
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>>171952859

Banishment spam/demon cleansing with a line of poison resistant chaff, like long dead.
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>>171955641
>50 hours in
>actually using mages
You're doing better than me at least :V
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>>171955641
>>171955968
>20 hours in
>still relying on my normal commanders and armies to fight
>still hasn't gotten the habit of using mages
At least I use longdeads. That's an improvement.
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>>171948076
>You had a sub and then you fucked up by being a jackass.
Reread the whole conversation again. Those messages didn't look serious in any way, I check Steam anyway and get a message that looks like another joke, so of course I get pissed.
> Even if it was malakal and you wanted to rat him out you could have just sent everyone but him a message in game.
I don't care about your stupid fucking e-celeb memes. Fucking kill yourself.
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>>171951917

Its a kinda bad situation where you have to start basically from scratch bar having an army and some mages/provinces. But everyone else should be miles ahead.
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>>171956778
You don't get to bitch about eceleb memes when they're trying to avoid identifying themselves and you go ahead and post who they are. That's your fault, you fucking moron.
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>>171955641
Wait, you can? What does it do?
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>>171958029
What's going on? Some admin retard kicked a dude from a game?
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>>171958029
>You don't get to bitch about eceleb memes when they're trying to avoid identifying themselves and you go ahead and post who they are.
I wasn't aware that he actually planned to sub. Nothing posted was an indication of a serious request.
>That's your fault, you fucking moron.
It is, but fuck you.
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>>171958353
No. Retard admin needed a sub. Somebody offered to sub, but asked to meet in steamchat because they didn't want everyone to see their email and know who they were. Retard admin met them in chat, and then posted a screenshot in thread revealing their identity.
They changed their mind about subbing, and retard admin is now throwing a fit about how hard it is to get a sub, e-celebs, etc.
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>>171958840
What the fuck.
What kind of fucking dumb retard does that kind of stupid shit?
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>>171958840
t. Malakal
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>>171958818
>Nothing posted was an indication of a serious request.
You mean apart from him offering to sub? Should he have made a solemn oath or something?
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>>171958029
t. Malakal
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>>171958094
Mages can use gems to increase their level in the corresponding magic path, cast the big battlemagic spells (many can't be cast without gems), and reduce fatigue on regular spells.

Now go. Go and be victorious.
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>>171959062
That's kind of pretty much a big deal. So if I give 30 gems to my mage, I basically make him level max until the end of the fight?
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>>171958840
Yeah, that's totally how it went down.
Thanks for the oversimplification.

>>171958978
>Heeeey come to the steam chat
>I was there? WTF
>hellokitty email jokes
Not like that.
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>>171959292
Not really. Mages can only spend gems equal to their paths+any buffs they have. This doesn't apply to communions, which have their own fucked up rules.

So an N3E1 wanting to cast Mass Protection would spend 1 gem to increase their N to 4, making it possible to cast the spell. Then he spends the 1 to actually cast the spell. Then he can spend 1 gem to cast it at half fatigue. If this N3E1 cast Strength of Gaia first, then he casts the spell for 1 and spends 3 to reduce his fatigue to 25.

An N9 can cast any N spell in battle for basically 1 fatigue with 27 gems, but only 3 times
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>>171959736
>So an N3E1 wanting to cast Mass Protection would spend 1 gem to increase their N to 4, making it possible to cast the spell. Then he spends the 1 to actually cast the spell. Then he can spend 1 gem to cast it at half fatigue. If this N3E1 cast Strength of Gaia first, then he casts the spell for 1 and spends 3 to reduce his fatigue to 25.
>An N9 can cast any N spell in battle for basically 1 fatigue with 27 gems, but only 3 times
Some people play for fun. Others want to relax.
SOME PEOPLE JUST WANT GAMES TO SHIT MATH IN THEIR MOUTHS 'TIL THEY LOVE IT
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>not reading the manual before doing all those retarded things
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>>171960296
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>>171959961
>>171950049
>Basically, it's an autist’s wet dream of a war game.
Just wait until you're working out the % chance of your blockers surviving hits from a W9D9N9 Ermor based on their defense, prot and MR drns vs their attack and penetration. While counting squares to know on what turn they will reach your blockers so that you can know if they will have their double AP from W9 or not, and also if they will be in range of your evospamming mages, which you are also calculating the likelihood of actually killing the sacreds and how likely they are to kill your blockers, while also trying desperately to test out how Fear works because no one knows and your opponent has Fear causing troops massed and you really need to know if your blockers are going to rout and leave your mages at the tender mercies of the skeleton menace.

That's for one battle.
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>>171959736
For future reference, Mass Protection is N3 in vanilla.
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>>171960605
>wait until you're working out the % chance of your blockers surviving hits from a W9D9N9 Ermor based on their defense, prot and MR drns vs their attack and penetration
Stopped reading there because my brain already overheated.

That game needs to make it to Awesome Games Done Quick. I want to see total optimization, tool-assisted speedrun, and RNG manipulation to determine the indies' strength and the magical sites.
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>>171958840
It was Malakal. It's only fair to let everyone know who they're playing against.
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>>171959961
The game does tell you whether your mages can cast spells or not, the scripting screen will show spells in red if you don't have enough gems to cast them. Calculating fatigue isn't that necessary, it's manly for communions. You can eyeball the majority of things in this game without trouble.
t. never did any drn calculation for anything ever
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>>171960893
What the fuck is a communion. Can I just throw longdeads at the enemy until everything is dead?
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>>171961069
Sure, it's one of the better tactics in the game, just don't expect it to work forever.
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>>171960605
Just use high Mr morale 30 troops if you're facing fear+D9.
I can't use inspector right now but stuff like Claymen and demons come to mind
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MAdman admin can you delete C'tis.

I changed my mind, about nations but not the game itself.
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>>171961718
also, why doesn't Llama have a way for me to delete my own nation out of the game?
I'm sure it wouldn't be that hard to implement something like that, right?
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>>171961069
t. MA Ermor
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>>171961069
Sure you can. And I can just evo or banishment spam you to death. Or summon some elementals.
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>>171964973
>implying AI is smart enough for that
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>>171966273
>implying players are smart enough for that
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>>171955896
Man I wish I wasn't Vanarus
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What's the best formation for archers? Do they perform better at all in a line?
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>>171973852
It depends.

There are literally an infinite amount of formation tactics you can make. Also depends on what kind of archers.

I like my archers to be shooting all times so make sure they're within range of the enemy. Formations shouldn't really matter unless they're really short ranged like javelins or something. Sometimes enemy mages can route archers with magic so I would prefer they have a lot of morale.
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>>171973852
smaller squads so that they can potentially fire at different squads on the field
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Looks like the game continues.

Does anybody have any vision on R'yleh? He's not stalling, but I'm somehow worried he might be submitting empty turns, because he doesn't seem to be doing much in his position as the only real UW nation with Atlantis gone.

I will also need a 4 hour extension, since I won't come home before night tomorrow. Hope you don't mind.
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>>171975313
Let's say I'm using longbows screened by tower defenders, then.
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>>171976267
No idea what you mean by "screened". Are your archers defending or attacking?

Either way it's pretty simple for longbow since they have long range. Like
>>171975454
breaking them up into smaller squads can do some effective spread of arrows but again that depends on the type of enemy you're facing. Just putting those dudes in the back to "Fire archers, largest, closest" in that precedence should be fine. Having intel on your enemy's formation and tactics will help vastly. Formation wise it's pretty useful to use sparse if you know the enemy has ranged attacks like spells or archers. Otherwise clumping them up in a box can same some routes.
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>>171976213

Yea the admin said that if I decide not to sub the game will most likely be over and I didnt want that to happen for you guys.
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>>171958840
t. Malacute!
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>>171972807

Man I wish you had mentioned what nation you were.

Alkonosts are H3, and Bereginas can get up to W5 with bracelets/robes, otherwise, indy priests
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>>171958840
To be honest it was a dumb move to speak in the steamchat in the first place. Just give him the email and no other person would ever given a shit. Malakal you know that you can start 1:1 conversation in steam by meeting in groupchat and clickin his name?
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>>171976810
Well not exactly over, but it would basically come down to one out of 2-3 players just snowball to victory unopposed.
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Games currently recruiting that I know of:

http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=aBoneToPick
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=ElfingAround
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=TheWheelHasTurnedOnceAgain
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>>171976680
I mean that tower defenders are standing in front of the longbows so that melee troops can't get to them.
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>>171978494
Still no idea wtf tower defenders are unless they're from a mod. I know there are tower guards and knights.

Anyways it's basically the same thing as above. I like to put the archers 2-3 paces behind the front liners so that way they can avoid some arrows, but while having maximum space between the enemy army. Sometimes you can put the archers way back if you are confident of your formations.

Formations and tactics are 100% it depends, there's no way around it.
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>>171978906
they're actually just called defenders, sorry. Think tower guards, but better stats across the board and heavier armor.
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So I encountered a feeble-minded solar disc with an axe of hate and was compelled to make a shitty MS Paint of him.
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>>171980782
Pretty spooky desu
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Why is the documentation in this game so fucking shit
why does a game as old as this now decent guides for all nations yet
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>>171985142
The few guides that are out are somewhat outdated.
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>>171978404
>>http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=TheWheelHasTurnedOnceAgain
Hey admin - is this open to anons, or do we need to sign up in yon steam thread?
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>stale for 5 turns
>higher domscore than before

What even is happening in this game?
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>>171986672
t. you-know-who
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how to ma jotun?
Dominate forests for max hag production
N9 shrouded werewolves
N9 communion batteries
B9 mass summons
???????

what is traditional playstyle and what innovations can I look into?
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>>171987925
>Dominate forests for max hag production
>N9 shrouded werewolves
>N9 communion batteries

Congratulations you have mastered MA Jotunheim
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>>171987925
Traditional playstyle is N9 bless tree + scales. Use Vaetti for stealthy raiding parties and snowballing expansion out of forests, core of gamherds for expansion because you took a bless and they're aite with it. Vaetti Hags are amazing because their paths are amazing - cheapest blood hunters of any era, cheap S1, N1 can raid and battle support with swarm, d1 same with skeletons. Go deep blood, do turbocoms with skratti and gygja the way that Niefel does (but less so, because cap only gygjas), do skratti thugs, mix in wolves and draugs for fear.

The innovation I was looking to try was a B7+F1+ skratti pretender for soul contracts, since you don't need sacred expansion at all really and you don't need n9 for werewolf thugs, but you'd need to trade for F gems to do it.
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>>171988376
Just get F2 and site search to be self sustainable. It also allows you to hide your INNOVATIVE strategy otherwise smarter players will wonder why Jotun needs F gems for.
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>>171988867
yeah, but that relies on being lucky with site searching and taking a while to get F income. The idea behind soul contracts is that you start making them when your dormant god wakes up and get a reasonable host of devils midway into year 2
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>>171989054
Makes sense.
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>>171960605

W-what's a % chance
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>>171976213

R'yleh is doing stuff.
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>>171985142

There were more guides but they've been lost.
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Can memethrone be extended to a 72 hour time default? It's tiring to strip so many death gems off my damn disease grinders.
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>>171952859
Depends what you have. As Bogarus I'd use some stellar cascades to put the fiends to sleep. Your troops can easily chop them up after. Indie fliers should fly right up to your frontline, so have your mages sitting close behind ready to blast them.

>>171955896
>banishment spam against demons
This is possibly the least efficient method of killing them you could have chosen.

>banishment spam when your lineholders are longdead
Are you fucking retarded?
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>>171952859
>>171994942
Oops, Vanarus.

Just use chud hirdmen. 50 should be easily enough.
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Thoughts on a rainbow pretender for Bandar Log?
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>>171999204
Awful
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>>171999485

Is there any option beyond an awake expander?
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>>171999973
W9 or W9X9 (maybe w9s9?) tiger riders are pritty gud. N9 is also good, though that's a later game bless.
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>>171999973
I'd like to try B9 dormant to break you into blood and get a somewhat useful bless.

Can't say how well it works, because I've yet to play it.
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>>172000190
I tried a blood fountain once in multiplayer and got rushed by ashdod.
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>>172002120
You need higher diplomacy magic paths.
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>>172002120

This:>>172003870
>not rushing Diplomacy3 for Control of the neighbours and Nap of heaven
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>>172002120
Would N9 or W9 even save you in that situation?
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>>172007563
I'd think W9B9 might have done the trick desu.
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>>171999204
triple bless
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>>171987761
>>171986672
You can email me at [email protected] if you want to remain anonymous. I'll know who you are, but I also won't care
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>>171987925
Don't play Jotunheim on a map that has like 5 forest provinces total

t. Absolute MAdMan Jot
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>>171992256
A percentage chance. Like, 50% chance to hit
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>>172016635
I was pretending to be Malakal trying to stay anonymous.
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Dead game

Literally only need 1 or 2 new popular games in this board to permanently kill this general
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Thoughts on non-summod Lanka? How do you play it? And how do you counter them?
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>>172023417
At least a single major bless, since you have a lot of sacred stuff and your demons will be your expansion parties
W9, N9, B9 are all good, although you should probably go for N9 if you're taking a duobless.
Scales are fairly easy, max growth, heat, turmoil and sloth
Find indie priests and recruit them, set them to making countless skeletons, swarm things with skeletons
Dakinis are really good and you should get a lot of them, the other national blood summons aren't as great and you can just substitute them for storm demons or something.

>How do you counter them
Play Xibala
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YOU! YES YOU!

HAVE YOU DONE YOUR TURNS TODAY?

PROBABLY NOT BECAUSE I HAVEN'T GOTTEN ANY
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>>172025114

Git gud I guess
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>>172020636
Jokes on you, I wanted to join and stay anonymous, and I'm not Malakal
t. Malakal
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>>172025114
I played them all and got no turns yet. New game when?
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>>172026984
there's a bunch here
>>171978404
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>>172027067
All of them have meme setups:
ME is shit
All elves mod is a mistake
Roleplaying isn't fun

New game when? Domg didnt have a non-meme game since months.
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>>172027582
So start a non-meme game instead of whining
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>>172027667
Or you start it so I can join instead of whining?
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>>172027710
I'm not going to make a game to appease a crybaby when I've already joined all three of those meme games
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>>172027816
But anon, why wouldn't you appreciate that I'm keeping the thread alive?
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>>172027859
I know that's why I've been talking to you
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>>172027943
Thanks then.
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>>172028207
It's alright, I don't have anything better to do. How have you been these days?
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>>172027582

Yes, all the memes are keeping me from joining. I guess thats why we are so dead these times.
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>>172026984
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=MAdman
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=aBoneToPick
TheWheelHasTurnedOnceAgain
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=EA_innovativethrones
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=ElfingAround
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>>172029329
MAdman has no memes, although it also has no admin(?)

If you're out there MAdman admin I need CTIS deleted so I can play something else
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>>172027667
Being admin is a thankless job.
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>>172029750
It means you get to choose the game settings, which is what the guy was bitching about.
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>>172029750

You can tailor the game to your liking at least.
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>>172029858
>>172032318
I guess. Also extensions when you feel it.
t. not Lukas
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What player have you played against and just absolutely hated it.
Also what player have you played against and absolutely loved playing against them.
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>>172035506
Nick
Everyone else
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>>172035596
I've never played against Nick, what makes him so awful?
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Speaking of turns...of course the turn my cap gets sieged, when it's clear I'm going to die, is the turn that gets a 3-day extension. Just waiting to die...
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>>172036091
He's a dickhead
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>>172036091
Diplomonster and he's persistent
Truly the worst qualities to have in a foe
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>>172035506
>What player have you played against and just absolutely hated it.
Nick - I've literally never won a single game where he's participated. This guy wins slowly but surely.

>Also what player have you played against and absolutely loved playing against them.
Moat - He lieks to meme.
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>>172036091
he's aggro as fuck and even banters you

he's also smart - never attacks you unless he thinks you are weaker.
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>>172036150
You're dead anyway, just go AI. Spare yourself the trouble of summoning wolves to pretend you can still affect the game.
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>>172038601
>he's also smart - never attacks you unless he thinks you are weaker.
/domg/ - smart people general
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>>172038745
>/domg/ - smart people general
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>>172035506
Nick being a god tier player is a meme, Malakal is clearly better as he can manipulate his neighbours into doing whatever he wants, making me one of the best players in this shitty board.
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>>172038618
>t. Helheim
How about no. I'm staying as long as I can do more than an AI in my position. I'm not making this unnecessarily easy for my atackers.
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>>172039280
You said he had about 60 elves on your cap? Won't that take forever to bust anyways?
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>>172039580
No, like 20. I'll be safe for a while unless he hires a ton of guys to crack it.
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Bamp, someone argue something.
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>>172041951
Middle Age is the worst age. EA offers the coolest supernatural units and wide varieties of battlefield magic, while LA has pretty diverse nations that really have to carefully manage their mages and make tougher choices. MA is just boring since it feels like a shitty version of either of the other ages.
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>>172038260
The way to beat Nick is to just snowball faster without fighting him.

And choose a nation that naturally counters whatever he picked.
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>>172042615
>The way to beat Nick is to just snowball faster without fighting him.

t. Nicknight
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>>172042401
This is incredibly reasonable.
MA still has some of my favorite nations, Nascar and Agatha for example.

I just wish LA had a little bit more variety
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>>172042401
I kinda agree with this. However there is a reason to play MA: the nations.
MA has some unique nations that arent played like their EA and LA counterparts. Jotun, Nazca, Mictlan, Ermor, Asphodel, Agartha, Pelagia, Ys, Vanarus...
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>>172043023
I really like bandar log actually, just having monkeys is fun to me. My favorite thing about LA is Lemuria though, since it's a freespawn faction that isn't as powerful as Ermor, and even though I like playing Pelagia not having them around makes R'yleh actually able to expand underwater. And Atlantis has a really cool theme going, a lot of the nations that made it through the whole game have very cool themes in LA. Ulm's vampires, Atlantis with the ice and death, R'yleh as the only UW nation, Caelum still being themselves, and then the human nations just having those little bits of influence from their past is all really cool. I prefer it a lot to the mishmash you get in MA
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>>172041951
Post a tier list.
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Someone tell me 5 nations that enjoy a double bless.
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>>172044126
SS+
MA Ermor

Z-
All other nations.
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>>172044126

E>A>B>N>D>S>W>F
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>>172044304
Not far from truth
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>>172044126
EA

Xibalba Tier: Xibalba

Very High Tier: Pangea, Niefel, Berytos, Lanka, Mict

High tier: Sauro, Caelum, Agartha, Formoria, Vanheim, TC

Good tier: Soul contract Abysia, Arco, Marv, Helheim, Kailasa, Oceania, Atlantis

Bad Tier: Ermor, Ulm, Machaka, Abysia, C'tis, TNN, Hinnom, Ur, Pelagia

Literal Trash Tier: Therodos, R'lyeh, Yomi
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>>172044862
>EA Ulm is worse than Oceania

Have you tried getting good
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>>172044231
if you mean at least a double bless, Marverni, Mictlan, Marignon, Machaka, any fucking elf. Some of those also like triple blesses.

>>172044126
LA

Great: Ulm, Atlantis, Caelum, Ragha, Agartha, Gath
Okay: Man, Mictlan, R'yleh, C'tis, Pangea, Utgard
Meh: Everybody else
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>>172044862
Xib Tier: Xib
2nd Tier: Lanka
Good Across the Game Tier: Pan, Agartha, Vanheim, Fomoria
Viable Tier: Almost every nation
Low Tier: Machaka, c'tis, ur, hinnom, pelagia, kailasa, r'lyeh, oceania
Unplayable: Therodos
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>>172042615
in my experience people leave nick alone too much.

The best way to fight him is to mislead him into attacking a nation that can actually fight back, and generally shut down his offensive.

Do not try and kill him because he may lose the game but he will ensure you lose it too.
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>>172044126
>>172044126
MA

Very High Tier: Ermor with good diplomacy, Pangea, Jotunheim, Pelagia on a high UW map, Ulm, Agartha

High Tier: Ermor with passable diplomacy, Sceleria, Nazca, Caelum, Vanheim, Vanarus, Blog, Xibalba if there are a lot of caves and no Agartha

Good tier: Pythium, Mictlan, Arco, TC, C'tis, Pelagia on a medium UW map

Bad tier: Man, Eriu, Mari, Machaka, Abysia, Aspho, Shinu, Ashdod

Unplayable: Ermor with bad diplo, any UW nation when Pelagia is also in the game
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>>172044126
LA

Ragha Tier: Ragha

Balanced Tier: All nations except R'lyeh if Atlantis is also in the game

Unplayable: R'lyeh if Atlantis is also in the game
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>>172045284
MA
Top Tier: Ermor, Pan
High Tier: Jotun, Pelagia with UW friends, Sceli, Ulm, Agartha, Nazca, Vanheim, Vanarus, Big-cave Xib
Good: Blog, Pythium, Mictlan, Arco, TC, C'tis, Pelagia alone, R'lyeh without Pelagia, Aspho, Ashdod
Meh: Mari, Ys
Bad: Man, Eriu, Machaka, Shinu, Oceania, Atlantis, Xib without caves
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>>172044348
If N is so good, why is MA Machaka, the nation with N2 in every fort, so fucking awful?

;^)
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>>172044348
>not starting with B
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>>172045904
Funny you put Ragha first, when LA Bats have a far higher win %
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>>172046569

B is only good for summons, combat magic is very meh.

>>172046505

N is also a great summon and diversity nation, not actually very good for combat.
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>>172045303
>but he will ensure you lose it too
This is a meme he likes to say so no one attacks him, but I have attacked him in 3 games and I didn't get shut down in any of those.
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>>172046505
Not him, but N is a mandatory path for gear while being pretty meh in combat

My tier list would be B>>>A=E>S>D=N>W>F but they're all actually good

>>172046661
>B is only good for summons, combat magic is very meh.
B has issues with battlefield clear killing slaves, but it has some pretty top tier battlemagic if you're not running into that issue
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>>172046620
Facts and statistics don't matter, only my personal feelings
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>>172046829
Your magic tier list is a lot better than that guy's, but A is only top tier if you have A4 or at least A3 and 60 gems to empower. A1 and A2 is at the same level than W probably (lightning bolt isnt that bad and air elementals are great).
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>>172047083
well, there's ways to get A4 in a fight depending on what other paths you have access to. Mass Flight also requires only A3
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>>172046805
Which games? Since the only one I really recall was NYN.
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>>172047083
Don't forget Mist, cloud trapeze, and whatever the A1 lightning bolt spell is called
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>>172046505
The problem with machaka is that they pay far too much for their crosspath mages
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>>172047335
DomgNatgen
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>>172047379
Machakas problems are inefficient mages and troops. Machakans are worse at fighting than ichtysatyr
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>>172047508
Considering the situation diplomatically then got you in a 4v1 that lasted about forever (which may have broken Lukas and caused the great postponening) I think everyone got fucked there.

Like, fucked so hard it may have fucked other games over too.
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Wait, why are some of you guys putting fire below water in these magic tiers? I've yet to find a reliable use for water outside of some pretty meh evocations, weaker side of summons, and craftables. Water crosspaths are generally really strong, I will note, though.
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>>172050530

Some good evos, some good summons, very good globals.

Items for water are also better with frost brand being especially good and so bottles.

Fire has better evos but sucks at summons and globals. Thats why its lower.
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>>172050530
water bottles, frozen heart, buffs, and, yeah, crosspath stuff
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Idea. What if, instead of giving + or - 10% hp per candle, dominion gave a flat + or - to hp for friendly or hostile dominion for pretenders (and disciples and prophets why not). Call it 3 per candle, for sake of argument.

One of the reasons human pretenders are bad is that they have too few hp. I could send my archmage into battle to cast Fire Storm and Falling Fires and Fire Fire except some jerk can just Rain of Stones and end him. If he has +15 hp from 5 candles instead of +5, that's survivable. Maybe. Human types go to 1 hp even faster in enemy dominion, but whatever.

It's also a buff for titans and monsters. A 1 hp dragon is asking to die. A 95 hp dragon can camp someone's capital even with 10 candles against it. I'm not sure if that's good or not, but it's another consequence of this idea.

Titans are probably helped the most; early game expansion pretenders have other problems with really being SC's but titans are mostly held back by lack of hp in enemy dominion. So this buffs them too.

If this screws anyone, it's immobiles. Stupid trees with 500 hp won't be around any more, but is that really that different from 280? I suppose it is for regen, but who cares about immobiles anyway. This allows better monolith drop which is what we really want.

Flat + and - to hp instead of % to hp is a buff to everyone! Maybe that's good.
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>>172027582
You guys want a non-meme game? I'll host one, but I won't be playing in it...maybe. Ea. summod or no? We can nonsummod, but delete xibalba and lanka.
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>>172052579
What about making it LA?
Summod, yes. Ragha and Xibalba banned.
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>>172038930
t. nick
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>>172045284
>>172046183
>>172044862
Everybody puts down EA Therodos, but I'm having a fun time. I like that nation vanilla or not.
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>>172052772
Are you retarded? I literally baited you to say "t. Malakal" but no one did it and now you fucking post this.

Fuck you.
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>>172052725
>Ragha and Xibalba banned.
improve thyself
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>>172052725
Hm I'll consider it. I don't have interest in LA, but I'll host it if someone is interested. I'll host it on /v/anheim later if I get the time.
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>>172050530
Quickening, Wave Warriors, Water eles UW, water bottles, frozen heart, fire resistance, falling frost. Also the easiest path to break into as you only need a base W2 to break into Sea Troll Kings. Gems are pretty easy to come by and are not in high demand aside from UW. Water bottles are great on thugs, raiders, assassins and high value mages as protection from assassins. Frost brands are cheap. Good globals. W9 is common on pretenders so high water isn't hard to do.
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>>172052996
>Puts down Nick as a good player and admires Malakal
>Malakal is promoted as a better player and so players will target him first
>While nick builds endgame
>Do you even diplomancy?

Dude if you were seriously trying to bait for t.malakal your diplo is weaker than AI.
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>>172044126
EA>MA>LA
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>>172053440
EA>LA>MA
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>>172054848
i agree friendo.
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why does shit keep happening in my dominion
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>>172054848
this desu
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>>172054848
EA>MA without Ermor > LA > MA
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>>172055860
EA without bats > LA without ragha > EA > MA without ermor > LA > MA
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LA=MA>>EA
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alright which one of you fuckers just posted in the song of swords thread
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>>172057043
What's that game and how do I play it? Also post a pic.
Don't make me google it please.
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>>172057323
>>>/tg/52313166
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>>172057627
It's a tabletop
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>>172058135
You can't quote me if I'm dead.
Yeah, that's why I killed my post
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>>172057043
you do know /tg/ played Dominions well before /domg/ was a thing right?
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>>172058523
I did know, it's how I found out about dominions. /tg/ is my home board. I just didn't expect someone to write an honest to god story about dominions in the SoS thread
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Without giving away what game it is, tell us how things are going in your latest turn?
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>>172058523
It was how I found out about Dominions, actually.

Somebody made a thread where they fought Pangaea vs Abysia and I was hooked.
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>>172052996
t. Bob
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>>172060184

Yea, I too learned about Dom (2 or 3) from tg before coming here.
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>>172060535
It was Dominions 3, IIRC, and it was like 4 months before Dominions 4 came out. I didn't get onto the MP scene until after 4, but I was playing single player in 3 for a while.

The QoL changes from 4 made the game much less of a hassle to get into.
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>>172043447
I also like monkeys! Glad to see them getting some love. Post monkey advice/tips.
Mine: always Magic 2-3, and major N bless for sacred troops and communions.
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>>172061714
im not very good with them since i dont play MA games very often, and I like LA lemuria and EA pelagia a lot more. When I do monkey around though I always go a couple of magic, and I usually dont mind taking sloth 1 since they arent super resource heavy. I really like luck scales since hte monkey heroes are cool, and the archer monkeys are great since you can build a million of them every turn and eventually theyll hit stuff and do work while the bigger guys hold the line. Always on fire rearmost though, otherwise theyll pelt your own guys just as much
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>>172063341
NINE DOTS PLAYS DOMINIONS! I KNEW IT. I think I suggested it once in /dfg/
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>>172063490
later this summer ill have time for that game
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>>172063714
:( I'll have to wait to see your art on dom
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>>172063714
DF is way easier to grasp than Dominions though. It actually has a good Wiki, which helps
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>>172063959
Dom manuals are top notch :^)
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>>172064210
i should get free updates to my physical manual, it doesnt even have some of the nations in it
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>>172055527
Define happening.
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>>172067569
fucking story events, barbarian hordes, my cultists all being insanity-locked into useless actions always, sieges

I should just popkill the whole world
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I have been bombarded by messages this turn. I am going to be in steam chat now and would like to talk to people that sent me messages. Feel free to drop in!
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>tfw you are about to start shit with someone doing way better than you but you dont have any other choice
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>>172078368
Oil up, boy.
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>>172071940
I'm good with where we are, are you?
I would seriously appreciate a chance to clear out Ulm.

Dear Xibalba, please be not invading me.
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I think fire and death have the same issue. If you use death without being undead you lose rigor mortis, darkness, plague, and probably a bunch of other spells I'm not thinking of, and if you use fire magic without fire resist, you lose the best spell in your spellbook, firestorm.
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>>172082981
nah. Or rather, that's a massive oversimplification and both schools are usable without being undead / having fire res
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>>172083097
Well it's why ctis is shite and it's also why marignon is shite so I think so.
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>>172083241
Neither of those are true.
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>>172082981
yes but theres ways around that, earthquake kills everything and people still use it a ton. the main issue is both schools are just really simple and dont have as much diversity as air or earth

>>172083241
c'tis isnt shit though
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>>172083335
>c'tis isnt shit though
I mean EA C'tis
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>>172083241
C'tis is shit because -
everything is cold blooded
no air or earth for large scale protection other than barkskin (lol)
huge gap between their ench 6 stuff and tarts where they fall behind

Mari is shit because -
their out of cap mages are either borderline useless F1 or expensive (witch hunters)
their front line is similarly either awful or expensive
poor diversity, with VERY limited A / E access
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>>172083241
Ma/LA Ctis are mid tier, or better, but they have gimmicks that make them so, so I suppose that's different.
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Quit having social lives you shitfucks
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>>172083674
EA C'tis is kinda crap, sure, but MA C'tis is good, and LA is fantastic.
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>>172083674
Witch Hunters are sacred though, so they're relatively inexpensive upkeep-wise.
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>>172090586
fuck you, i have to work and spending time with my family is important. dominions is a side hobby, a break from more important things and better hobbies
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>>172070958
...what did you expect when you selected LA R'lyeh?
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>>172092709
ftaghn
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>>172092709
For Luck 3 to mean GOOD LUCK REEEEEEE
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>>172094047
sorry, you need to take Luck 3 IRL first
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>>172092696

Play Dominions with your family.
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>>172094259
my husband isnt interested and is playing nier lately, and theres nobody else that would be interested/is old enough/plays pc games
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>>172083241
Both of those are shit because they're human nations with a crippling overspecialization in their one path (that being fire/death).

If Abysia didn't get their amazing cap-only blood mages, they'd be in an even worse position than Marignon despite having fire resistance.

>>172091424
They're expensive in upkeep for what they can do, plus that initial cost makes recruitment so slow.
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