/scg/edg/ Star Dangerous Elites General #144: Space Dreaming #2

no anime

>from unfunny thatcher meme to le kawaii anime girl

Does /scg/edg/ have the worst OPs of /vg/?

>>171878407
that's not anime

>>171878407
Thanks for chipping in. We were only on page 10 almost 30 posts over the limit.

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repostan

>>171878192
ED is wasted potential and SC is nothing but feature creep and bloat

Both are failures

Scifi is dead

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>>171878561

I'm still here for shitty space games but I wish we had better OP images, that's it.

>>171878663
I seriously hope there will be a boob slider to make bigger boobs

>>171877862
Shit, I remember that. I do remember people saying they're cancelling their subscriptions because of the bullshit Happy hour, and that other show (can't recall the name).

>>171877827
> I think it's been walked back to around 60 for the full "launch," with 100 being reached shortly after. Once they get the kinks worked out, systems can be designed in parallel. They're envisioning 400 systems over the course of the game.
proofs?

>Qdrive

I disagree. Quantum travel in SC isn't that bad. It's just transit. If you need some developer justification, it shows scale

around the tools.
tools of the verse.
maps of nothing.

I guess the last two weeks have just been spoiling me.

>>171878748
Fair. I was going to post a Braben meme, but thought 88 was better than that or a Space Engine shot.

>>171878771
>Quantum travel in SC isn't that bad.
It's a few seconds traversing a lunar orbit. Crossing a system will take 10-40 minutes depending on the size, obstacles, etc. That's 10-40 minutes of doing nothing, interrupted by pointing and clicking where you want to go. MMO gameplay straight from the 90s. I'm not saying to make it faster. The scale can still be there because it'll still take as long. I'm just saying having it be literally nothing aside from a few point and clicks now and then is a broken system for a supposedly interactive and immersive game such as SC.

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>>171879210
Could just use comfy concept art of places that we're not gonna see populated or even in engine for god knows how long.
>>171879420
So are you saying implement somthing similar to warp travel navigation but for in-system? Trade lanes could be used as an excuse to make things go faster but that starts to limit freedom options of mobility.

>>171879068
I feel the opposite. They finally explained how the netcode is going to work and how we are going to have ridiculous player counts.

This is the best one yet. I am actually, unironically excited about this weeks show.

>>171879552
Noted.

>>171878940
>>171879420

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>>171879650
Or 88 works too. Just do whatever. Doesn't matter.
I'm sure someone's got archives of pictures somewhere. If not I can throw fragmented ones your way.

>>171878192
That pic looks like cancer.

>>171880067
it is

When is the new netcode coming?

>>171879552
>So are you saying implement somthing similar to warp travel navigation but for in-system?
Basically. Not linear though. It'd still use the QD lore and be ~.2c, just that you would still be piloting the ship or have control in some way, that could be delegated to an autopilot if desired.

The system that comes to my mind would be after the QD spool up you "launch" into, for lack of a better phrase, quantum space, which would be a small (to make it traversable in under an hour) representation of the solar system. All major celestial bodies would be represented by say their gravity. Your gravity would be a function of you ship size, relative speed, and starting mass. It would take 10-40 minutes to traverse a solar system depending on it's size, the current state of the celestial bodies, etc. So like ten minutes for a very small system under ideal conditions by a good pilot, 40 minutes or slightly more for a large system under poor conditions by a poor pilot. then in this model you could have scanning, interception, etc. at a deeper and more enjoyable level than what's possible under the current QD model. Not that I think this is how it should work, just an example of a system that would make it more dynamic and deeper than pointing and clicking around a solar system with a few random encounters.

Even from a slightly realistic standpoint, straight line jumping at 0.2c is a wholly unrealistic way to get a across a solar system in a reasonable amount of time.

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>Subscriptions
I never gave a shit until ship of the month became a thing. The bonus REC would be nice.

I'm actually considering this because of the fucking Big Benny's machine, and my real dilemma is if I'm willing to give CIG another $10, already being Vice Admiral status, for a supposedly exclusive vending machine. Fuck.

>>171880980
Never.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0B0QUFSCUgo

New Around the Verse

>>171853654
I quite like E:D's radar, I wish they'd just use something similar

>>171881290
I fucking hate the le big benny machine xD meme. It wasn't funny in the first place, and the devs embracing it with stupid shit like a stack of vending machines in the Yela asteroid field blaring the theme song only makes it worse.

>>171878912
Those are plenty big.

>>171881182
I just figured they would develop enough things to do while QT'ing. Even in single seat ships. Just enough to keep the player from alt tabbing but not boring enough to be staring at a bunch of space whizzing by.
Not to discredit the awesomeness that is what they've done visually combined with the audio department on making that experience super duper immersive.

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>gladius-sized ship
>except it's heavily armed
>it should be more maneuverable than the light fighter

>>171881365
Literally the best one. Once the megamap is loaded, you can go literally anywhere seamlessly.

>This is how we will have fleet battles.
>This is how it will appear as a single shard.

It would seem that having OCed memory and god tier I/O is going to be very beneficial.

>>171881657
You're right. I can't trust that CIG won't keep it exclusive, and I can probably just steal one eventually anyway. I only like bennyhenge because I imagine Ben is the one under the machine.

>>171882242
I just feel like with the amount of time travel will take and the amount of it we'll potentially be doing depending on play style, that the current system will get really old really fast. I just can't imagine anything they could add as far as minigames to generate that much enjoyable play time. Even on large ships you really wouldn't be getting up and checking on the ship because that's what multi-crew is hypothetically for. I just don't see the fun in buying the world's greatest space sim to sit and play chess 90% of the time you're traversing the universe.

>>171882956
True. Even the type of people that buy truck simulators expect some level of consistency for interactive gameplay. It would have to be much more than cosmetic little things like "oh wow that dynamic audio felt good" and "hehe i pressed that arbitrary button and it flickered a screen". The stuff you should be able to do is directly control how that QT is getting you around the system. Perhaps even organizing/achieving digital tasks that you want normally do once you arrived to the destination.

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>hueg cockpit
>2/3 is empty space

>>171883706
That's really what I'm getting at. Travel appears to be such a large part of the game that the current system feels like it under serves it. Most of travel time will be spent in QD, so it deserves it's own gameplay model.

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>>171884468
Frontier does this with Lakon ships too except vertically and it bugs me alot. You're basically sitting in the middle of a cage with a console in front of you

>>171885175
That paintjob is awful, I hope thats not yours.

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>>171884468
>>hueg cockpit
>>2/3 of view is struts

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>>171885746
Its not, that was just the best image I could pull off google that gave a good view of the cockpit. I'm primarily an FDL pilot.

>>171885042
QD wont be most of travel time, It takes as long to cross the Yela asteroid belt on cruise as it does to QD across the entire Crusader level QD, thats one of the reasons I awas so assmad about them dropping the top cruise velocities so much. Crossing large obstacles is going to be really time consuming as things stand now.

Point to point QD jumps do have their own mechanic already, its fuel management and its gonna be a much bigger issue once your talking about flying from planet to planet, ships burn up significant portions of fuel just hopping from one side of crusader to the other, and planning your route to balance flying from tank to tank without running into dangerous areas, running empty and needing a tanker or flying a long circuitous route and burning up all your profit is going to be a matter for some thought.

Additionally QD is like driving on the Interstates, its just a utilty for getting from place to place, the goal is to get from a to b as fast as possible, adding constant interruption and mechanics and input to something you will have to do constantly would get tedious fast.

Hi there!
I couldn't help but notice that we have a new thread now. I take it that this means that the space legs are either coming shortly or have already arrived?

Best,
Spencer Aceh Legsom

>>171886396
>QD wont be most of travel time
Uh, yeah, it fucking will. Even with only the orbitals around one planet every significant travel step is done with QD. Any time you cross a solar system you're going to QD from point to point around objects in your way. When talking about a solar system, each jump would take several minutes.

>Point to point QD jumps do have their own mechanic already, its fuel management
That's an autist/paper RPG mechanic. Not suitable for an immersive game like SC. I am NOT saying fuel shouldn't be a consideration, but if you think having to manage fuel compensates for staring at a QD animation doing nothing for 30-40 minutes every time you need to cross a solar system as gameplay, you're fucking delusional.

>Additionally QD is like driving on the Interstates
Which is why it needs to be more immersive and have it's own gameplay system. As it stands, using an interstate analogy, anytime you need to travel a non-trivial distance, you pick the closest major city, get on the interstate, and the autopilot drives you there with no interaction. You do nothing. Once you get there, you pick the next major city, get on the interstate, and autopilot drives the entire time. You do absolutely nothing. Repeat this process a few times to navigate around a solar system. Then you get on a plane (jump drive) and go to another continent. Now you pick the closest major city, etc. Repeat a few times. Another plane/jump drive. Repeat this a few times if you need to travel across a few systems. The whole time you don't do anything related to spaceships. Star Citizen is DOA because the major gameplay component, space travel and exploration, is boring as fuck and only appeals to autists. If you don't wan't to play a game and just want to calculate stats go play space D&D.

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I want to get my spacefag on, but I only use Linux. What game(s) work best for penguin fuckers?

>>171890576
Space Invaders

>>171890576
tux racer

>>171882336
I've noticed that most people who use historical figures as user names are retarded

>>171881873
Smaller tits = living a longer happier life. Huge boobs cause major issues for women later on in life.

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>>171878663
>We'll never get this amazing ass and that awesome suit

>>171893490
This game plays 900 years in the future m8, just get a cyborg spine that supports your mega boobs

>>171893727
or lifting three times a week combined with hilt training.

>>171894175
900 years in the future you won't have to lift you just do gene therapy for three fiddy

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PTU is open for first wave now.

>>171894342
Is Gene therapy or test tube babies a thing in SC lore? 900 years is enough time to completely eradicate ugly people.

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>>171894367
Posting a few Buccaneer shots. Stock loadout is 2 gimbaled Badgers, 2 S2 Tarantula on the top turret and 2 fixed S1 ballistics, I forgot their name, on the wingtips. 2 S3 missile hardpoints with 2 Rattlers each. It goes 220 in SCM.

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>>171894526

>>171894521
Probably not, because the definition of beauty changes. Just look at the new Mass Effect game, where everyone looks like potato because potato is the new standard in the future.

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>>171894367
my body is ready

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>>171894714

>>171894521
The face editor is entirely in-lore so there's that at least

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>>171894905

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>>171894367
The landing gear takes up a stupidly huge amount of internal space.

>>171895337
Is it? It doesn't seem to be any more than current airplanes.

>>171895337
It's not that bad

>>171894832
I didn't get into the first wave I'm so pissed. I have been such a good boy on the issue council lately.

>>171895826
I've been in the first wave since there was a first wave. The beforetimes were very dark.

>>171895957
I almost always got into the ptu first, idk why I didn't this time.

>>171896231
Are you looking at your email or at your account on the website? It always appears on the website first.

>>171895337
>they moved the turret to the top so the stupid landing gear could fold and unfold neatly

fucking stop it

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>>171895337
I think it's different from plane to plane.

Post more buccaneer cockpit pics pls

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>Find System with a Water world
>The Water world is the only thing thats been scanned, not even the first star was scanned
>They ignored the 7 High-Metal Contents, half of them with atmospheres
But why

>>171898524

Probably thought it was an Earthlike and went straight for it.

Plebs can't ID planets by ear.

>>171882336
Sherman was a cuck anyways.

Do you think ED will be getting new ships in 2.4?

>>171898727
It somehow wouldn't surprise me that someone could mistake a planet thats nothing but ice caps with blue in between for an earth-like. If someone couldn't even ID that then it would explain why they're ignoring High-Metal Contents they probably think they're just colorful rock planets.

>>171882423
>It would seem that having OCed memory and god tier I/O is going to be very beneficial.
>128GB RAM
>load the entire game onto a RAM disk at start

>>171894905
does this mean you can change out the 2 gimbaled s2 for fixed s3?

Who wants an invasion by hideously OP Thargoids in 2.4?
I certainly do, because the forumdads would GET FUCKED, and maybe this time FDev wouldn't let forumdads get in the way of money.

>>171899094
They make PCIe cards that hold RAM to do exactly that.

>>171899104
yes

>>171899180
* the story

>>171899180
>invasion

The most invasion you'll get is what you're getting now. Pockets of space you can go to to pretend there's a galactic war going on.

The MMO I'd make if I could, plz rate:

> Two types of player characters, pilots and AI
> Pilots fly strike craft (fighters, bombers, scouts and gunships) in first-person, AI fly capital ships with a detached camera, kind of like EVE
> Strike craft have 6 degrees of freedom, can slip inside bigger ships' shields, have on-board jump drives, emit a lot of heat, have basically no gravity signatures, use thermal sensors, can target and damage specific systems in enemy ships, and weapons with fixed/very small firing arcs
> Capital ships always travel forwards, have to use jump gates or wormholes, barring a few of the smaller classes that can use jump drives, emit heat and have gravitational signatures depending on their mass, use gravitational sensors, can't target specific sections of enemy ships, and use turreted weapons with large arcs

> Pilots can use anything their ship can fit, and have ranking depending on how good they are at various kinds of combat, rank is based on average points per life, higher ranks get bigger discounts on equipment.
> AI have a storage value, a CPU value, and a RAM value.
> Each program has a storage value, a CPU value, and a RAM value.
> AI can hold as many programs as they have storage capacity for, and can run as many programs as they have CPU and RAM capacity value for.
> Programs are the equivalent of skills in other games, with certain equipment and ships being unusable unless the correct program is running, and certain actions gaining bonuses if certain programs are running
> Programs may be switched on or off at will.
> Programs can be copied infinitely, as long as the player has storage cores to copy them into
> CPU, RAM and storage space can all be upgraded, but upgrades and programs carried are lost on death.
> For both types of players, death means that everything carried must be fully replaced
> Corvette, frigate and capital wrecks can be recovered and rebuilt at 33.333% of the price, though modules must be replaced normally

>First thoughts.

Megamap is pretty cool. SM loading is a quarter of what it was off of HDD, going back to the main menu is instant.

The PU is the same, as far as I can tell. People in chat were saying that serialized variable was in for the PU, but I couldn't tell a difference. MM is not implemented for the PU yet.

The Bucc is smol. Handling is good but not great, feels like it could out turn a Hornet. I don't like the twin S2 mounts up top, maybe I'll get used to them. It has a monster quantum tank, I arrived at the first ICC mission with 94% still. I don't like the Rattler missiles, two S3 missiles would be better. Can only change weapons, no ship parts, which is a bummer. I'm happy with it overall.

>>171899480

Honestly this. Even in the old games a Thargoid encounter was just a "fuck you" that the RNG rammed directly up your ass with absolutely zero relation to anything else going on.

>>171899843
What do you do in your MMO, just fight each other?

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>13,315 Earth Atmospheres
Holy shit.

>>171900702
That'd be most of what pilots would be able to do, yeah, though smuggling and recon/exploration would all be possible, and something they could do better than AI.

AI, on the other hand, would be able to do combat, construction (player-built stargates and stations would be a major gameplay element), manufacturing, trading, mining, and limited exploration if using certain ships (there's a lore reason why jump drives can't be put onto almost all capital ships, and why they have to use warp drives instead, however, the smallest capital ships would be able to fit jump drives, though they'd be shit at it).

Setting:
> Fairly early on into Humanity's colonisation of space
> Only about a hundred of the solar systems around Sol are inhabited
> No planets capable of hosting life have been discovered, though some of the planets in systems near Sol have been terraformed, and the inhabitants of other systems live in giant space colonies
> Empire of Sol only cares about systems that have inhabitable planets, and leaves the rest to govern themselves, viewing them as worthless.
> They respond to any crime in these systems by destroying the attacker and locking them out of the jump gates leading into Empire space, and heavily tax everyone inside Empire space to pay for the cost of the terraforming. (Rationalization for 50% taxes in safer areas, and locking people out at the slightest provocation so that they GIT GUD)
> However, the authorities cannot easily detect strike craft or stop them from leaving, so they ignore them, except when they are committing crimes, but they can’t do much to stop them from just jumping out (strike craft can still make carebears miserable, so they don't get too complacent).
> Each inhabited system has jump gates leading to its nearest neighbours.
> Beyond the space inhabited by humans, the rest of the galaxy waits, unexplored, and claimable by player factions.

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>>171882336
>A ship with massive rearward facing engines should be more manouverable, but slower in a straight line

Mmmm yes, I see the watertight logic on that one

>>171902309
My best guess, they're stating the ships without actually seeing them, or mistaking it for another ship.

>>171902504
Yea I wouldn't doubt it. The bucc is an interdiction ship, it should haul ass in a straight line, I feel its SCM speed should be faster.

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>>171901772
Thats baby shit

>>171882336
they really love shitting on gladius

ATV was good

>That 10 minute series of back to back info drops without pause or any unnecessary flare, immediately as intro ends
>casually dropping ingame female model footage
>Heavy outlaw soon
>mech suit / power armor confirmed
>subs possibly getting access to future banu / vanduul ships on top of the scythe and glaive we get now
>building block tools for making the game are taking priority and actually happening

resting easy

Didn't the revamped cutlass also go in for 2.6.2? Or am I I just reading the supposed notes wrong.

>>171905425
No, Old Cutlass still, unfortunately.

>>171902662
What are the Bucc speeds , anyway?

>>171905891
220/710

>>171905795
I am of sad now. I will find an appropriate corner to excrete my sadness into.

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>tfw Black Holes still make me uneasy despite knowing they're effectively harmless in E:D

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>>171906323

>play Elite in VR
>enjoying it
>mfw jumped through a star while exiting a jump in VR

I don't want to look at black holes in VR

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>>171906323
>Still get nervous as hell everytime I supercharge my FSD despite riding a Neutron Highway at least over a dozen times now

>>171906079
Seems pretty good. I think only racers and the Herald have any advantage.

How sturdy is it, though? Gonna laugh if the piddly guns on a Gladius are enough to make it a hard counter against Buccs.

>>171907610
It's pretty tough. Hard to say definitively where it lands compared to a Gladius. I got to the last round of PS solo in it. The guns are way better than a Gladius for sure. Bucc's pitch rotation is pretty insane, plus it's really small and hard to hit.

>>171906501
OOOOooooOOoOOoOOOOOoooOOwhoosshhhhOoOOoooo... PWOOFUEL SCOOPING

>>171907842
Honestly it sounds like what I was wanting from it. Guess we'll see if stays good with the impending balance hotfixes.

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>>171908108

>>171906501
I still haven't seen a black hole in VR. I'll have to do that.

>>171907610
super hornet is superior to the cuccaneer in every way that counts

not as quick or agile, sure, but people are going to see you coming and nail you with rounds at 1km anyways. SH by far has the better defensive options and weapons loadouts being able to gimbal or fix all the mounts. where the buccaneer is pretty much required to use fixed weapons in order to maximize dps because of the stupid fixed S1's on the wingtips.

the only reason to own it is because it's going to be cheap

>>171910132
>your average hornet pilot truly believes this

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So are they going to have a reason for players to duke it out on planets or is it just for quests and exploring?

On planet base building was confirmed, right? So players would be able to raid each other Ike in Rust?

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>>171910132
Just wait until the Super Buccaneer :^)

>>171910323
Super Hornet owner tears would flow freely if a $110 Buccaneer could even remotely stand up to their ship.

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>>171911348
But it could hold up against a Super hornet. A Super hornet is pigfat and cant turn. The bucc turns faster, and in general is faster. If the pilot isn't a retard and plays his shit right he could easily take out a hornet shitter.

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You know I've never thought about this before, is there such a thing as too much oxygen? Can too much oxygen in the air be toxic to us?

why does stuff in the PTU store have a cost why arnt all the weapons free for testing REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>171911720

Yep. Quite dangerous.

>>171906323

Don't they have the same effects as Neutron stars? IE if you get too close they start gravitationally fucking you up.

>>171911720
Yes, over oxygenation can displace the CO2 products in our blood, dropping our drive to breath and cause vasoconstriction in the bloodvessels in our brains.

It's why in EMS you are limited in how fast you ventilate a patient.

>>171911720
Pure oxygen is a euphoric, there is definitely such a thing as too much.

>>171911720
Yes, plus too much oxygen means that insects can grow to be fuck hueg

>>171911720

>take your ship down to a planet with 70% oxygen
>your thrusters overheat and detonate from the air around you literally catching on fire

>>171910391
planetary basebuilding is probably confirm maybe eventually but not in 3.0.

They have said repeatedly that they want to have player bases be a thing now that world is so big and there is so much empty space, however they have no elaborated on how or when. That said the fact that they are taking a modular approach to buildings similar to subnauticas is a very good sign. That says they are from the very beginning designing structures to be put together like a lego set, which will be really easy to just build intoa game mechanic and hand off to players.

>>171911720

Oxygen toxicity is a thing. There's a huge range of effects, not least of which is unwanted chemical reactions with bodily tissues by excess O2 your body can't burn up or scavenge fast enough.

>>171911720
Yep, that planet would be inhabitable without rebreathers.

>>171911720
At that atmospheric pressure, 60% O2 isn't gonna cause problems. In fact, you probably still need to wear a suit due to the gasses getting sucked out of your lungs.

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I guess if theres one thing this game does right is making it feel like you've been gone from civilization for a while. After doing nothing but exploring deep space for a couple of months I returned to the same system I left from and found that:
>The economy had changed
>The factions had changed
>There was a new planetary outpost
>The Flight Control Officer of the station where I docked had changed as the allegiance of that faction had become Empire aligned
>Security went from Medium to High
The only thing that wasn't different is there was still 2 factions at war.

>>171911472
The best part of launch will be shit heads who spent thousands of dollars on ships getting wrecked by people that can play the game.

>some faggot and his faggot friends in a Hull E no idea what they're doing
>come up on them and launch 8 torpedoes into their cargo

>>171914616
Almost as satisfying as blowing up a dad for shits and giggles.

>>171914616
Prepare for forum pages upon pages of essays on why all pvp players are what's wrong with the world complete with rage unending and tear jerker sob stories about cancer riddled children forced to play with their mother's husband as a member of his crew sprinkled with subtle hints of child abuse and severe alcoholism.

So I am guessing this is the new place for goons jilted by CIG to hang out now everyone is disinterested in checking on the 10bux circlejerk with shart running the show.
>these threads have been utter shit since the merge

>>171915720
Technically this thread has been under goon control since Plax, Geisto, and all their buttbuddies took over Ved.

>>171915720
Your mom has been utter shit since we first merged but I keep doing that every night too.

>>171915858

Plax is a goon?

That explains so much. The furryness, the autism, the complete lack of ability to park his ships....

>it's a "namedrop random faggots and claim they're ruining the thread when you keep bringing them up and pouting that the thread is shit" episode

>>171915858
True. But without the EDspurgers the thread was semi comfy.
>>171916120
>its a "drop a dank meme response every time someone points out how much of a toxic faggot who no one likes you are" episode

>>171914616
>>171915296
I'm expecting, on top of the carebear tears, the pitchforkfag tears from Vanduul enemies being deady, and actual griefer tears from law enforcement NPCs being competent in lawful systems.

where the fuck is the S3 twinlink mount we were promised for the buccs spinal?

Gimbals a shit all fixed all the time.

>>171916120
>maybe if I keep responding they'll teach me how to park a cutter

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>>171916380

>>171916358
>the pitchforkfag tears from Vanduul enemies being deady
Possibly the most autistic concept I've heard of in awhile. Even assuming the game ends up implemented how these autistic manchildren assume it will be, they won't be able to make any progress at all.They'll only be able to enter the edge of Vanduul space, at which point even if they can "take over the system," there are no known jump points into real Vanduul territory. At that point, the game can have hordes of Vanduul jump into whatever system they're in and steamroll them. There's no possible way, even from an imaginary militaristic strategic perspective, to further the offensive past a trivial point.

Planning on crewing a cutlass w/ Dragonfly along with three other friends and being a bunch of freelancers while doing comfy space opera roleplay in the downtime at seedy bars and during long journeys.
If we make an Org can we get a cool little custom decal or should we just join a bigger organization that could hook us up with jobs and contacts? I'd imagine we'd probably have no more than 10-14 people so is there any reason to maintain a small org?

>>171916882
GAAAAAAAY.

Matching s4 to s1 is retarded and mounting s2s on an s4 mount is equally retarded. there is no point to mixing gimbals and fixed on a ship becasue the nature of the flight controls means they are NEVER aligned together.

>>171917351
this isliterally what affiliation is about, you all join your little org then you all also join a larger org as affiliates, you have access to the larger orgs chat and information while maintaining a level of autonomy and identity for yourselves.

>>171917719
This sounds perfect.

>>171916358
If I throw fistfulls of money at Roberts and cry a lot on the forums, will he implement a system where I can just turn off player damage or buy a special invulnerability pass so I can play the game my way without having to worry about fucking psychotic millennials ruining my experience?

>>171918167
I know a PvP vs PvE slider has been mentioned. There's also matchmaking so hypothetically flagged griefers would only really see other griefers.

More significantly, private servers with mods were listed as a very early funding goal, and are arguably an integral part of PC gaming. When and if they are actually delivered? Who the fuck knows. There's definitely plenty on record of CR saying it'll happen, though.

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>>171918167
>>171918810

>>171919737
Literally locks you out of the storyline missions when used.

>he thinks the buccaneer won't be nerfed into the ground and made irrelevant like the gladius was

hornet and sabre users would never allow it to be actually usable

>>171921390
>implying once the game launches CR won't rebalance the game to fuck p2w cucks in hornets because he'll no longer need to retarded ship buyer money

>>171921527
>this delusion

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>want to grind REC
>no one is playing online on pirate or vanduul swarm

>>171922096
racing gives more, I heard

anyone else feel like you black out way too fucking quickly in ships?

it's fucking awful when you're trying to use one of the more agile ships and you basically have to completely limit yourself because otherwise you black out in half a second

>>171922879
I really hope they add upgrades to your ship's gravity system in the future to offset the impact, along with compression suits.

>>171922380
>racing
Maximum autism.

>>171922879
>>171923009
So they put you in space like 1000 years later and didnt fix the gforce problem? So not only are the devs incompetent, so is science in their future vision.

>>171922879
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKCDRyYzLtM
Even in this video at 12:30 he does a light barrel roll and blacks out. Kind of too much.

Keelback any good?

>>171923773
it's the cheapest ship that can bring a fighter
there's no other redeeming qualities to it at all

>>171923828
But does the presence of a fighter make is competent to do stuff.

Say mine while your fighter keeps the pirates off you. Or does it generally just die instantly.

>>171922879
Strafe, roll and strafe, ROLL AND STRAFE. it presents a smaller target AND you have way better lateral G tolerance than vertical. You are in space, fly like it. As for "too quickly" we're whipping around at speeds well beyond fighter jet speeds, 200m/s is ~450 Mph, and that just how fast you're going before you punch the burners. WW2 era fighters caused rapid blackout and both go faster and turn WAY harder than they were capable of.

ROLL AND STRAFE ROLL AND STRAFE ROLL AND STRAFE. Stop acting like its an in atmo flight sim and you only have three degrees of freedom.

>>171924170

nigga I'm doing literally all of that, I know that I can strafe you shiteater

it's just that as soon as you need to actually dodge anything like say a gimballing fucking hornet you CAN'T do enough maneuvering to reasonably stay out of his firing arc while still doing damage because if you punch hard enough you just blackout and get gibbed by 5x gimballed badgers

>>171924767
Balancing issues like this that favor cucks that shell out hundreds of dollars for ships have no chance of being fixed until it is no longer a huge source of revenue for CIG. Once everything is only available through in game channels, it'll likely be rebalanced to stop favoring people who have payed to win.

Also,
>git gud

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>>171925259

>dude just git gud against something with double your firepower on gimbals, more afterburner fuel than your ship, and doesn't have to suffer blackouts because he doesn't have to turn nearly as hard as you do to evade or get guns on target

i miss when the gladius was actually respectable in AC

now the only thing it's really good for is 8x rattler missiles

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>>171925626
>8x Rattlers.
>4x Arresters
Sorry mate, you're just a shitter. That is you're problem, you're bad, you make bad decisions, pick bad weapons and by extension probably make bad choices when flying and die, then you blame it on imbalance and try to get your opposition nerfed.

female model looked ok

space waifus soon. kinda excited

>>171926551

Yes, there are absolutely zero balance issues in the game. Everyone is just bad and SH pilots are just really good. Honest!

Not even that guy but you sound like a fucking retard. Never post again, especially with NC related reaction images.

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>>171926798
I want to make cute scavenger grill but from what they're saying there won't be any height sliders.

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>>171926958
No, SH Pilots are not just really good, nor are they really dominant in the leaderboards theres relaibly a realtively even split between SHs, Sabres and Gladiators, which is fucking appropriate. THey are the top end ships in the Interceptor, dogfighter and fighter/bomber niches. The gladius is an old light fighter model flown because its cheap and simple to operate.

Everything is not and should not be equal, modern designs are superior to older designs. I fucking hate this mentality and entitlement people that literally anything should compete with anything else.

Or how about try this, line up that SH, quickly ripple all four of your S3 missiles at him. Yes, you are out of missiles, but you won the fight, while also being a cheaper fighter, go back yo base and rearm, you're operating from a base right? As a short range patrol fighter?

and like I said, if you're carrying 8 S2s instead of 4 S3s you're a moron for purely mathematical reasons. When you get a missile pickup you get 1 or 2 missiles back regardless of size. If you have 8 small missiles you get 1 small missile back 1/8th of your loadout , if you have 4 Medium missiles you get 1/4 of your loadout back, and its a more powerful rocket. This only really applies in AC, but it does apply as a hard and fast rule in AC, to the point where I strip the S3 mounts completely off my gladiator so that every missile reload I get in a Stalker 5, which is a nearly assured kill if launched properly and not an S3 which realistically needs to be fired in pairs for a reliable kill.

One fighter being better at then another fighter when they're in different niches is not a balance issue, its a retard issue. The gladius is not a dogfighter, is a Patrol interceptor that leans heavily on its missiles loadout, which by the way is excellent, make use of that excellence, don't water it down so you can spam cluster rockets like a shitter.

>>171927557
there will be but it'll be very minimal, few inches either way, you can be slightly shorter or taller than average, but for the sake of animation consistence the band has to be narrow.

>>171927737
In the future, science will have cured manlets.

This will have the unfortunate side effect of preventing any cute short girl genetics from being passed on.

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>>171927627

>the gladius is not a dogfighter

>The Gladius is an older design which has been updated over the years to keep up with modern technology. In military circles, the Gladius is beloved for its performance and its simplicity. A fast, light fighter with a laser-focus on dogfighting, the Gladius is an ideal interceptor or escort ship.
>laser-focus on dogfighting
>dogfighting
>gladius
>not a dogfighter

>>171927627
>You activated my autism, now suffer a blog post.
I'm not reading that shit, faggot. Just leave.

planetside 2 shitters need to hang themselves along with their shit game desu

>>171928252
>tells others to hang themselves
>desu
irony: the post

>>171928329
>he doesn't know

You should probably go back to /r/starcitizen desu

>>171928370
>le epik gb2reddit reply XD
You should probably eat buckshot

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>>171928152
Because reality is determined by four year old description blurbs amirite? It is not competitive as a dogfighter, but by all means, keep dogfighting with its 3xS2 guns. I will happily keep winning gun duels against from behind my gladiators superior shields, with my fixed S3 guns. Use the Gladius as a missile boat with guns for finishing cripples and you will get kills, use is as a gunfighter that happens to have a good missiles loadout too and you will die a lot to actual focused gunfighters.

>>171928218
I'm not going anywhere faggot, I've been here longer than you. I'm in the Top 100 BR leaderboards, are you? I actually play the shit out of this game and I win matches often, am trying to explain to you how to win with the ship you own and want to fly and you are telling me that I am wrong and Autistic. I rented a gladiator and flew it for a while and got a bunch of kills, I didn't like it though so I don't own one, most because of its weird whale penis and the fact that it skitters all over the damn place instead of being smooth and controllable.

>>171928542

>top 100 in BR
>meaning a fucking thing in this constantly in flux '''game''' where the flight model can change at the snap of a devs fingers

but just for shits and giggles what's your ign

>>171928682
leaderboards reset every patch.

Dakka/Mordakka currently at 74 in Battle royale.

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>>171928542
>bragging about being one of the top 100 autists in the community
>bragging on an anonymous image board
>bragging about having full blown autism
You're not going anywhere because you have nowhere else to go.

Your life is shit, and so are you. I look forward to your next blogpost, furfag.

>>171928725

>VCO

how embarrassing

>>171927557
modded servers bruh

God help us all when the furries get their hands on the mod tools for this game.

>furry ships
>furry PC's
>furry NPCs
>furry planets

>>171928937
>implying that wasn't bait
wish this board was 18+

>>171928815
I'm not a furfag, goon.
My life is actually pretty damn good and you're here at dead o'clock too you edgy bastard.

I'm not bragging about being top, I'm pointing out that I am trying to help, and I do in fact know what I'm talking about.

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>>171928152
Yes, and the Caterpillar is still the Freelancers evil twin.

>>171928937
Least I'm gonna have reliable friends to play with dude. Like 30 of us already own the game, another 20 or so have expressed interest, and once that many are in we'll probably get another few dozen just from the outfit alone. I will have friends I have known for years, people I can trust and people who trust me to coordinate with. I will not have to worry about my crew backstabbing me. I will be able to crew large ships with humans and be the Organized group of coordinated humans chewing through the NPC autists.

Do you really think that's a bad thing?

>>171928152
Calm down. Ships are fucked right now to squeeze money out of autists. Once the game nears launch and ship sales stop it'll all be rebalanced.

>>171928996
>caterpillars is still the freelancers evil twin
you do realise that was meant to be under the cutlass description, but be being the fat useless fucktard he is, added it to the cat instead, right?

>>171929207
No it won't. SC is not going to be a game balanced around 1v1s nor will it be a game designed to be "fair" some fighters will be objectively better than others. Some will be cheap stopgaps solutions to be used in expendable or less critical roles. The gladius is the second type and always will be, it is and will always be very literally a poor mans Sabre.

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>>171929262
>be
pic related

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>>171929178
>check out my latest fantasy blogpost!

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>>171929262
Are you sure? Pretty sure the Cutlass was to be a direct contender with the Hornet, initially.

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>>171929558
>a hauler with guns a direct contender for a medium fighter
Yeah, pretty sure. Pretty sure you are fucking retarded also.

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>>171929697
>I'm a retard that cannot into reading early Comm-Links.
Okay, kid.

>>171929884
>early comm-links weren't to cover the fuckup
Okay, furfag.

>>171930206
>I'm gonna cover for my ignorance with made-up excuses
Way to go, goon.

>>171930353
>I didn't fuck up, honest.
Way to go, ben.

>>171930471
>bawww Ben shut down our attempt at shit-stirring
Loving every laugh.

>>171929364
Sure, but to think everything isn't hugely unbalanced right now is delusional. There's been basically no balancing effort and won't be until beta, because balancing comes during the beta cycle of development. Right now they're just trying to get everything working. The combat system will likely be seriously overhauled in terms of maneuverability, shields, and stats in general. Right now all values are basically what sounded good to the designers at the time.

CR has repeatedly said he wants the game to be highly skilled base, with every ship having pros and cons.

>>171930641
>Implying ben was not being used as an insult.
Loving every tear.

>171930854
As much as CR is a visionary, he is also as much a delusional ADHD imbecile as >>171929178 is.

Vision and reality rarely coexist in the real world.

ITT, butthurt SH and Sabre owners who think there should be no more combat ships. You could change a few words around on some of these posts, and it would read like ED forums complaining about mission stacking.

Bucc has twice the legs and will be far more useful in the larger game than your small penis compensator.

>>171931358
t. Someone unable to see their own penis

>>171930749
>CR has repeatedly said he wants the game to be highly skilled base, with every ship having pros and cons.

>Multiple designers considering cost as a balancing method
>gimbals exist tied to mouse control

dude skill lmao

>>171931614
36" waist, sorry. Just smug as fuck after gambling that the Bucc would be good during the anniversary sale based on size and loadout alone.

>>171931851
Having fought against the Bucc I can tell you its more of a flying target than the Gladius was when its winds flew off with a stiff breeze and you lost all roll control

>>171932417
I said it was good, not great. You really have to be aware of your profile, once an engine pod goes red, the handling starts to suffer. Bucc can absolutely not tank any amount of hits, but it is tougher than any starter or second tier ship.

>Bucc strengths: high thrust to mass. small frontal profile, decent shield, enough weapons.

>Bucc weaknesses: No real armor, weak wings, easy to hit top profile, not really fast enough to dictate a fight, smallish missile HPs

I don't mean weakness as a negative, something had to give. Just pointing out what I'm worried about when flying.

>>171930641

The only thing that Ben is shutting down is his circulatory system.

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>>171931851
>waistline is the thing preventing you from seeing your penis
>giving an actual measurement of yourself in 4chan to win a point
Wow and you're 75th on the leader board. I bet you're a hit with the ladies.

>>171933708
Different anon, just woke up. I don't play AC or SM much. Sorry you are so triggered.

>looks in the general direction of a Buccaneer
>disintegrates

>>171932920

>not really fast enough to dictate a fight

no ship is
everything is so fucking slow now

>>171933792
Well sucks to be you if you sound like the turboautist the thread has been dealing with tonight.

Bleach is a painless way out.

Are the Dads in Star Citizen as bad as the Dads in ED?

>>171934296
Yes.

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>>171934023
Hornetfags and Sabrefags are so easy to trigger and offend. I get a thrill out of it, and I want to thank you for playing.

I don't know what that guy was on about. The thread reeked of dad and it was for time for action. You guys stepped up, like I knew you would.

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>>171934446
>I'm not being baited, you are! :(

>>171934446
>>171933792
>im not that faggot, i am a totally new faggot!
coolest story in the thread so far

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>>171934841
>>171935028
Holy shit, my sides. What a way to start my day.

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>look i posted it again to establish my identity

>>171935594
>been here long enough to recognize people.
I would probably not try to let people know that. Congrats, I guess.

>>171935779
the filename and the retarded post that comes along with it is the giveaway

>>171936563
Whatever, I'll change all my filenames in the future so you won't be so upset. What a crazy world it is when one person wants to follow the least shitty place to talk about the cutting edge of space games, fortunately combined in one thread. The namefagging has got to stop. I'm not on discord, and I'm not in anyone's org. I just want to minmax my ship in both games, and this is best filter for most of the bullshit surrounding both games.

>>171935204
That is a hell of a overengineered helmet. Government tax dollars at work.

>>171940549
It's really a hallmark of early SC development. way too much attention on the wrong shit that got scrapped and replaced eventually anyway.

>>171937115

The best solution to shitposting is to just not reply when people are baiting you. Who gives a single shit about filenames, seriously. Just ignore the brain damaged autists that want to turn the thread into some drama central like this is fucking /r9k/ or something.

>http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/features/14695-Star-Citizen-Controversy-Reaches-a-Boiling-Point

>404 ERROR: FILE NOT FOUND

:^)

>>171934446
Sabre pilots are ok. Its the hornetshitters that need to leave.

>>171943758
>Sabre pilots are ok. Its the hornetshitters that need to leave.

>People that fly an objectively broken ship are okay but heaven forbid someone fly a tough ship with a lot of weapons

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>>171943995
>I can't beat a sabre in my hornet therefore it is broken
Hornetshitters pls

>>171944149
Don't fly either.

But Sabres are literally broken

Their XML values for shields cause them to function in a way different to every other ship in the game, and makes them about 10 times as useful as they otherwise would be

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>>171944373
>Don't fly either.

>>171944373
They fixed that several patches ago.

>>171944812
Not everybody has shelled out >$100 for a video game anonymoose

I know thats normal around here, but no need to assume every person did.

>>171945227
Yeah and I'm willing to bet most people stopped playing several patches ago too

>>171945272
>no need to assume every person did
If you are talking about balancing in Star Citizen, I am going to assume you have the game. I don't speak on E:D topics because I don't own the game and I cannot have a valid opinion on it.

>>171945475
I can own the game and occasionally fly the Sabre/SH without shelling out insane amounts of money, anon

are you okay?

Are you having a stroke?

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>>171945562
You said you don't fly, then you are voicing opinions on the sabre and super hornet which are $100+ ships. So you either don't fly, or you do fly but only when the SH an Sabre are on free fly. Plus, the shield issues were fixed on the Sabre so that means you haven't flown in literal months. So to get this straight, your autistic ass came on here wanting to discuss several patch old bugs, then someone calls you autistic and you go off topic talking about how much money you spend on the game.

wew

>>171946042
Said I don't fly because the people in here claiming things are okay with x ship are invariably stupid dipshits that actually bought $150 ships and either have post purchase rationalization or want to pretend they're not paying to win.

REC is a thing, by the way.

>>171946180
>REC is a thing, by the way.
But you said you don't fly, so all that goes out the window. What you are saying doesn't even make fucking sense.
>I don't fly because everyone else is stupid

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>>171931851
>36" waist,

What's your height?

Is the Avenger an okay ship? I really like the way it looks.

>>171949647
Its pretty good, but it isn't as good as people say in combat. It will really shine in 3.0 with its cargo room.

>>171949884
Will it make a good light smuggling ship?

>do multiple runs on Quince
>only 37% into Baron rank

these guys are kidding right? like how is someone supposed to rank doing normal missions let alone stacking? fuck this game

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>>171877827
>No one, NO ONE, wants to point, click, and wait multiple times for 45 minutes per system, repeated half a dozen times.
>>[.....] I just think there should be actual gameplay, where you have to pilot around a solar system at .2c with obstacles, pilots, whatever.

Allow me to propose a counter argumentation.
No one, NO ONE, want to be forced to pilot every single seconds in a minigame faker than LoDefense.
Letting slide that 0.2C is too fast for human reflex, every game need Fast-spaced part you truly play in and Slow-spaced part with non-existent gameplay where you relax doing nearly nothing.
If you don't have slow time, you won't have adrenalin rush and the "dodge asteroid at 0.2c" will feel more frustrating than any point&click

You will already dodge asteroid in normal space and manage scanner or plan your route around fictionally thick nebula on a starmap.
Because SC is aiming to do thing better, even a fighter can have the time to change his group/power-setting and check the map for news or distress signal.
A bigger multicrew ship will have a lot more to do.

The only 'overhaul' SC need is the autopilot/crew features, dozen clicks a the start of your travel, then you relax and drink a coke watching your radar and planning stuff so you don't have to do it in normal space

That's all.

>>171951387
I know. I'm thinking of taking all the money I made and just sinking it into another ship if I don't make it to the Cutter by the time the beta is over. I'm not doing that shit 3 missions at a time.

>>171951387
Patch notes on the 2.3 beta servers say they've increased rep gains for factions, empires, and powerplay.

>>171952185
I wonder if that beats board stacking though, since they are getting rid of that

>>171952251

Of course not. Also, unless I missed something on the notes, you'll still be able to stack missions, just not planet scan or massacre missions.

>>171950185
Yea I could see myself smuggling with it. Its pretty fast for what it is and I am sure it could be outfitted even further to smuggle.

Happy hour is pretty cool.
Calix is doing a first pass on the Javelin basketball minigame.

>>171951532
Nah. You're fucking retarded, and here's why.

First, I never said it should be required. You could set it to autopilot at the expense of time or being intercepted easier or whatever.

Second, QT game play does need to be added. For several professions, info runner, long distance cargo hauler or smuggler, and just someone wanting to explore the verse at a macro level, will spend most of the time in QT. Therefore, QT should stand up on its own as an enjoyable experience.

Third, saying it's okay because you can spend the time playing shit mini games or attending to other duties is the dumbest fucking excuse you autistic shit heads have come up with. No normal person buys the world's most pristine space sim to sit in the hull and play chess. Sure it'll be cool for five minutes, and will be fun for crew not involved with ship systems, but trying to pass it off as a replacement for a major missing gameplay mechanic is autistic as fuck. No one would want to play such a shitty hand for long, it'll get deserved, terrible reviews because the travel mechanic in an expansive universe is broken, and the game will either and die. No new content. Lastly, the whole bullshit about tending to other systems is majorly retarded, because you autists rave about multi crew. Riddle me this, rain man, why the fuck would the pilot, whose job is to pilot, be getting up to mess with the power systems when that's what the engineer is supposed to do? Why the hell would he be charting courses when that's the navigators job? Even not thinking about it for five seconds, neither of those things would provide meaningful game play for the amount of time spent in QT.

No one besides autists wants to play a point and click waiting sim where the only game play is spread sheet calculations. We've been able to do that since the 90s. Having an actual game play model for travel would not only make it fun but it would also add depth as interdiction mechanics can be fleshed out.

>>171957465

Not that anon but I understand where you're coming from. The hope, atleast in my mind, is that captaining your own ship with crew will be unique enough that piloting the ship will be enough, along with giving orders to your crew. I'm not sure how that's going to play out though with everyone having their own ships. I really can't imagine that people willing to be crew ill be so bountiful when you can just pilot your own ship. But hell, maybe I'm wrong.

>>171941774
Damn, literally every single article and podcast related to that Star Citizen article was pulled from their site.

SOMEBODY lost a court case lol.

>>171956905
No idea why they fake it like that and don’t use actual physics. Collision already works, doesn’t it? Now only needs a rebound.

>>171962005
I think to actually give it proper physics it would involve editing the entity and shit.

As it was literally a first pass proof of concept thing they just wing'd it with scripting.

>>171958169
It's really hard to tell how multi crew will turn out right now. I can see groups getting together to play, and crews happening that will, but limiting the game to only being playable if all of your friends are online and get together would be a huge mistake. Obviously a group would be more effective, but I feel that the game should still be playable solo. To that end, and providing meaningful pilot duties on a multi-crew ship, I just don't see this game being remotely interesting unless they spice up travel beyond point and clicks with dice roll encounters. There are people that want to see solo ships unable to effectively travel across solar systems, which to me is ridiculous.

Someone did the math and found the Aurora would need to refuel 75 times to make the trip from ArcCorp to Earth, and people defended it. To me, on a small ship, fuel should only be a concern if you're flying into uncharted space and can't refuel. There's no reason to make people constantly crunch numbers on fuel to fly around the universe. It self balances, because even though the Aurora can make the flight, it can't carry nearly as much cargo as a dedicated cargo mover. It can't go stupid long distances without fuel, and be safe to explore uncharted space, jump into an undiscovered solar system, and be fine. But it should be able to traverse a few systems without worrying about fuel. And with the amount of time travel should take, it should be more interesting than current QT.

The only way to have decent travel in a game is to either make it instantaneous, or to make it interesting. No one is going to want to play a "game" where you spend the majority of time sitting doing nothing except picking a place to refuel every ten minutes.

>>171960162
What kind of stuff were they writing about?

>>171962608
There must be something for this to be a bigger issue, yes. As a proof of concept this certainly works, but I’m just confused why modifying the physics parameters of the ball that have to be somewhere doesn’t work.
“a few artefacts that I don’t wanna deal with in terms of how it loses energy” he said, but that doesn’t look like a legitimate reason to do this bullshit. He probably regretted it also given how much he failed.
I guess that’s why programmers don’t like designers, they hack terrible things together.

>>171941774
kek

Bored of rimworld, stellaris, rust, and dont starve

Thinking of buying Star Citizen, what do you guys think of it?

>>171966262
It's not a game yet, it's a hypothetical. Come back in 2 years.

>>171966262

It's fun for maybe an hour but it wears off fast. Arena Commander is only really fun if you grind to rent a good ship or sink $100+ on a decent one. Star Marine is fun but you'd be better of playing Planetside or a decent arena shooter. I'd wait for 3.0.

>>171966423
Oh damn, that sucks. Awesome, thanks mate. I didn't know it was that boring/grindy

>>171967071
It's just totally incomplete. This is all supposed to come together into a complete game someday, and it *might* turn out to be the best game ever, we don't know, but that's definitely not what we have right now.

>>171967071

Don't get me wrong, it's still really fun to hop on someone's ship and go dick around for a bit, and it's a very good looking game, but it's simply too unstable (your FPS will tank if your instance is very populated) and there isn't enough to do. If you ever pay money to CIG for Star Citizen while it's still in development, you should see your purchase as more of a donation for them to develop the game, rather than a purchase to play a full-feature game.

>>171967318
>>171967526
Damn, and here I thought that it was nearly finished and was simply going to come out soon.

>>171967071
The game is still being made, sadly. We're currently just waiting for 3.0.

To save you the hell of waiting day by day, simply forget about the game until this time next year I guess. This game has a while...

>>171968064
Oh sweet summer child...

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>>171957465
>insult every lines
>moving goalposts
>mixing up what he was told
The only autist here is you.
You criticize a mechanics that give everything you pretend to defend and effectively complete a dozen other mechanics, wishing to replace it by a "gameplay" you can barely define. There's more to piloting a spacecraft than free roaming in a 3D space you know?
Next time, just admit you lack imagination because your clumsy vilification of multicrew only show how little you understand the basics of game design, like why some travel need to take time.

At least I can reassure you that CIG will change the fuel efficiency, they always made it clear that is was only temporary because the PU is small. We believed you were smart enough to understand that, but apparently you were stupid enough to believe the Aurora is a long range spaceship (>>171962764).

Just grow up and take better source of information than a bunch of dads next time.

>>171958169
Originally multicrew was just meant to have npc as an Human Resources to add some management to much bigger ship and allies/enemy for the FPS gameplay. But we will want to invite friends CR wanted it playable, add orgs and it became a place where you can respawn (into npc).

So yes, multicrew scale get exaggerated a lot here. But the FPS is a core element of the game, you are supposed to get out of your seat, ship and not do everything with the push of a button.
Many players have dreamed of a game that doesn't just replace your characters by a spaceship, SC is trying to be it.

>>171972145
Current travel mechanics only give spreadsheet mastering. There is no interactivity. You point and click and have a random chance of being interdicted. Boring as fuck and wholly incomplete for any game released after the 90s.

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>>171978585

>reading FDev forums about suicidewinder ganking on CG stations
>"b-but it's an exploit"
>"except it's working as intend-"
>"ITS AN EXPLOIT HELP ME DEVS GIVE ME STUFF"

i regret reading the forums now
but i am tempted to try

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>>171982064

I can understand their frustration but it isn't an exploit. Ftroop even made it so as long as you're going at the speed limit, you will not get a bounty for someone suiciding into you.

>be doing one of the CGs a few weeks back
>some tryhard faggot crashes into me and dies
>dont get a bounty because I go the speed limit in populated stations
>mfw he tells me to fuck myself and ragequits

>>171985368
>"BUT ITS AN EXPLOIT FOR REASONS I AM NOT GOING TO EXPLAIN RIGHT NOW"

I swear I believe it has to be something related to having children.

Anyway, doing the Quince thing now. When does the missions nerf hit? I don't think I'll get to the 1billion, fuck i don't think I'll get to the 500million.

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Electronic Access is 100% off on the PTU with this patch. Load the fuck up.

>>171987345

Again, coming from their point of view, it's shit to always have to constantly watch your speed because people might suicide into you, but this is how God-Emperor Braben decided the game should be, so that's how we need to play. It's kind of like not speeding when the posted speed limit is way lower than it should be, and there's a ton of cops around. Yeah it sucks shit to have to go slow and you get pissed off at the city for having such a retarded speed limit, but you can only blame yourself if your dumb ass gets pulled over by a cop. These dads should be mad at FD, not so much at the suiciders.

As for the release of the update, who fucking knows. This will probably be the most unstable and broken update since the first release of Horizons, so it may be a few more weeks.

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I'm not complaining, but it seems like the GT-220 would just rip the Bucc's wing clean off.

>>fucking around in crusader
>>guy calls over general chat
>>brony party on starfarer
>>notthisshit.jpg
>>bunch of people join him.
>>chat is spammed with brony shit.
>>all of the sudden they start yelling about how the guy is an asshole.

He drug them out to the middle of no where and then hunted them on his Starfarer. This is the day I joined an organization.

>>171988604
how? I can't access any of my rented shit on the PU

>>171990461
you have to rent it from the EA on ptu.cloudimperiumgames.com your password is in your PTU invitation email

Have they fixed the Vanguard yet?

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>there's actually less strut than before
are they aware of this? is this a bug? will they add more in greybox?

>>171989032
Magic metals

>>171992298
NO THIS NEEDS MORE STRUT

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>>171989032
Is there a space A-10 that is a ship built around the gun?

>>171993953
not directly. the Bucc is pretty close. smallest ship with a size 4 gun.

https://robertsspaceindustries.com/comm-link/transmission/14979-Chairmans-Response-To-The-Escapist
is also gone

>>171993953
Gladius is about what you get when an A-10 fucks an F-35.

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dis iz not enuf dakka

What's the point of the Buccaneer if it costs the same as a base Hornet, doesn't have an ejection seat and has less weapon capacity?

>>171997387
More money easy money for CIG, and more variety in human fighters. It was originally supposed to appease ass-blasted Cutlass babbies with their Drake space superiority fighter.

Basically an NPC fighter.

>>171996620
Lmao what your logic for saying that.

>>171903269
>gravity is a force directly proportional to mass
>18.1 times earth's mass
>has 4.24 times earth's gravity
what sorcery

>>171997101
Is it really going to mount guns like that now? that looks fucking stupid.

>>171997387
It's half the size of a Hornet with almost as much punch, plus much more range than the Hornet. If you could only have one ship, then probably the Hornet since it has a cargo pod. The Bucc is more of an interceptor/interdictor than a frontline fighter.

>>171998002
The Renevant doesn't look right on it. The cannons and the twin S2 mounts are better.

but they should all be on the fucking bottom where they belong

>>171997519
I can't wait till the ship sales stop. It's just cancer right now.

>>171998012
>much more range than the Hornet
I thought you were shitting me, but someone really thought it was a good idea to give it twice as much Qdrive fuel as the Hornet, 300 Series and even the Freelancer. I don't think it's gonna stay that way.

>>171998421
I'm also retarded apparently, looked at the boost fuel tank tab. It has 25% more Qdrive fuel than the Hornet,

>>171998421
It basically can go as far as a Cutlass, which I'm sure was the intention. Everything is going to have to be rebalanced for the full size Crusader anyway, the difference may not be that large then.

>>171997904
You're forgetting that planet also has twice the radius of earth.

I'm reading on certain forums that people can get empire ranks to the Cutter in like a day, I'm in Quince making mad bank but the rep is slow af

What the hell are these people on about?

>>171998396
>ship sales
>stopping

CIG would be foolish to not take advantage of the 1.5mil+ people who are dumb enough to spend hundreds funding this game for us. The only point in which I can see the sales stopping would be when the game releases, which is easily 2 - 3 years away

>>171999458
That's what I mean, when the game releases or reaches final stages of development. Until then it's great they've been able to attain so much money in a such a simple way, but the way people treat the ship sales is toxic.

>>171999736
>but the way people treat the ship sales is toxic.

Literally doesn't matter. If anything, CIG has done a good job at not succumbing to their doner's bullshit.

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MMUs when?

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>>171993953
The Buccaneer is like a faster A-10 in space. Its like what the US would want the A-10 to be but its gun is too heavy.

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Which one do you want most /scg/? Its the DMR for me.

What is the cost to A-rate a Conda?

>>172007415
Do scopes even make sense in the perpetually-helmeted distant future? Wouldn't that become a visor display by that point?

>>172008680
The fastest ship in the game can barely go mach 3 in a vacuum, what do you think the chances of scopes are in that world?

>>172007415
>magazine rail
In what way would this be useful? The only popular gun that had one (that I can think of) was the Thompson and it wasn't full length like the P8.

And how is that shotgun going to work? The bolt has nowhere to go.

>>172008461
~500mil

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>>172010156
shotguns are low chamber pressure low velocity guns, and as such the bolt doesnt have to be all the massive, a small bolt block could theoretically fit in there. The better question is how are you gonna fit 12gauges shells through that bitty little ejection port. Maybe its 12 gauge caseless. A Caseless shotgun would make me moist.

Love, /k/

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>>172010156
As for the rail maybe for more positive magazine control in zero-G so you can eject the mag but still have it controlled. Or maybe a noguns concept artist thought it was cool. I really do appreciate that they are at least attempting to may all the guns look both Sci-fi futuristic and also relatively plausible.

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>relatively plausible

>>172008680
Scopes are now sensors to populate data for your HUD.

>>172010416
Even if it was caseless you'd want a proper ejection port to extract dud rounds.

>>172010550
I find it funny that they just straight up copied the magpul flip up sights. Also this bullpup has the same problem as the shotgun, no bolt travel space.

It does look nicer than the average vidya futuristic design though

>>172009412
I really hope when they start to balance flight mechanics ships go a lot faster, at least the faster ones do at least.

>>172010804
>guns.

>>172010156
I'm more concerned with ballistic guns in the vacuum of space. Guns work now because the air cools them. No air, no passive cooling. They'll either have to say there's some sort of cooling system on them, or hand wave some sci-fi to say they use a heatless propulsion, the materials can somehow withstand super high temps, the suits players wear can handle this heat, etc.

>>172011534
Vacuum welding will be a larger problem before you ever have to worry about heat.
But otherwise heat could be dissipated pretty easy by absorbing it in something and ejecting it from the gun. A lot of the initial heat will just be ejected away in the spent brass that absorbs it, and I'm sure you could work out a way to purge the remaining excess heat in the same way. Adds complexity to the firearm though.

However, judging by how the floating corpses we've seen so far in the tech demos have ice forming over them, I guess we're just going with the not so scientific "space is freezing" explanation.

>>172011534
*No air less passive cooling.
Could also be handwaved saying the relevant bits are made of unobtanium alloys, or the shell each have a heatsink and the barrel/action/whatever else is made of a thermal superconductor. Or the guns all have internal heatsinks and dissipations systems robust enough to allow long term operation before a cooldown cycle. Or more efficient propellants or some combination of the above. guns today are all air cooled becasue we can and we dont usually have cause to alternately cool a weapon, however do know a bunch of ways to do so. Something as simple as a ventable high thermal capacity gel sleeve comes to mind. get it hot as shit, vent to space and refill the sleeve from a one shot canister, repeat as needed. Could even make for an interesting alt-fire attack, spray some hot as fuck barrel coolant at someone.

I would actually be on board with giving every weapon a thermal meter and making that shit a mechanic of FPS the way it is of ship weapons.

>>172012467
Vacuum welding could be solved via coatings and materials fuckery.

>>171974797
>current
Well, that's a tech demo you know? Just wait release, there will be enough interactivity as needed and only kids with ADHD or autism will not understand.

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>>171993953
Not around a single one and not with heavy armor. (unless you count the Terrapin turtle)
The A10 would actually be my wish for the next heavy fighter, low speed, huge missile loadout, S4 or let's dream fixed-S5 (would S6 be too big for a single weapon?), powerful shield, armor or simply the ability to get back home even with 850% of the structures destroyed.

>>172013217
So basically an upgunned & uparmoured Vanguaad?

>>172012812
I am now torn about my bucc. Prior to the ptu I had all but resolved to trade it in and use the credit for a Prospector.

But now that I have flown it, it really is a the fun little fighter that I wanted: heavy on dakka, fast, agile and comfy. I do not like the spinal mount and the inability to trade for 2xS3 irritates me. But the is the first pure fighter that I have genuinely enjoyed flying, and I have flown them all now quite a bit.

But I do also sorta want to get my prospector back, I have vidya mining autism and I honestly enjoy just wandering around collecting minerals as gameplay. I drive an ANT around in planetside and mine cortium while listening to music and legit enjoy it. I feel like prospector will be an enjoyable money printer for me. I am attached now to every ship I have.

>>172012812
I get that. That's my point. I'm just saying they need to rework it for release, and some sperglords are defending because of muh realism.

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>>172013217
the "A-10" archetype already exists in the Gladiator. It's guns are not as central as the hogs obviously, but it can fit 2x GT-220s for BRRRT and that really is enough to kill most things. The missile loadout is second to none and its armor/shielding is above average.