/gsg/ - Grand Strategy General

Reminder that the warning
>Report and ignore them.
Is already in the OP and does not need to be repeated.

>>171807229
Ugh, we got the autistic March of the Eagles OP again. I might have to start doing the threads at this time of day myself.

>>171807368
For your information, me laddy mate, post timers work cross thread. I didn't make a concious decision to wait.

>>171807262

White and based

>>171807485
What's wrong with this, laddo? It was made by the same chink who made the original, this just demotes Aurora and Distant worlds to the "Miscellaneous Titles, Errata, and Oddities" catagory, where they should be.

>>171807524
the timer doesn't matter, you didn't link the thread because you wanted the first reply

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Rate my Africa

Latest version of HIP (2.7.x compatible):
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/hip-release-2017-03-22-cacao1.1007066/

>get Reaper's Due and M&M from last sale
>leave supernatural events on
>200 years in and my character has 15+ in every stat and 35+ in learning and he's immortal
>due to long rule relation bonus every vassal has +100 opinion that prevents any sort of factions forming and making every council member a loyalist

interesting...

>>171807738
Is that greece on its side or a shithole no one cars about? I mean greece is included in the second part but...

>>171807738

Too lush/10

>>171807705
As is the right of any OP. Back to plebian tier non OPposting for you, laddo.

>>171807919
Greece is on the map right in the middle of the Mediterranean sea where it's supposed to be

>>171806935
>I can't string my thoughts together into a coherent paragraph
You're not confident, you're stupid. You have to write in little one line stream-of-consciousness blurbs because you're not smart enough to do otherwise.

>>171807919
Is there a difference?

>>171807919
>>171808013
are you baiting? that map is nowhere near Greece

Is Byzantium anon here. I am enjoying him struggle through his mismanagement of debts, makes his campaign overall feel more realistic.

>>171807767
English localisation or "local" names?

>>171808390
>not liking native names
Nice lack of immersion, laddo.
*tips PruBia*

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Anyone else here unironically like to go to reddit

>>171808948
i ironically go to ferment my hatred towards them

>>171808948
I urinocally am a /r/the_donald because I'm le White.

>>171809324
Based Israel, amirite my fellow centipede?

>>171809551
Whats big benis?

>>171809324
>>171808948

I hate both of you

>/gsg/ will 404 in your lifetime
It won't be missed.

>>171810238
I missed the critical mass of shitposting that killed /gsg/. I stopped coming here for like 2 months when it would get a new thread every few hours and now its
>page 10

So this is how /gsg/ dies, hm?

>>171810656
>>171810565
>>171810238

Well no one is posting /gsg/ content and my shitty laptop can only play DH

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>theres no such thing as perfect borders in a perfect game in a perfect mod by a perfect person-

>>171810915
>Balkans

>>171810915

Fix the balklands and France and I'll call it perfect.

R&I is going to be so pissed when he wakes up and finds out I made a MotE thread again with Aurora and DW out.

>>171810973
>he doesn't like enclaves
>>>/r/paradoxplaza

>>171811019
>balklands

So is it worth making territories into trading companies in EU4?

For example, I've got some territories scattered in West and South Africa as Portugal. I made them all into trade companies. I figured since I would just be steering trade, and the provinces were shitty in terms of goods, I'd just make them into trading companies. Did I fuck up or was that a good idea?

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>about to start mongol run
>dlc about to come out
Guess I'll just watch old Top Gear.

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Is Monks and Mystics worth it?

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>Hungary calls me into a war against Poland
>I don't want them to expand too much, since I want that Polish land
>strategically siege so all lands they've occupied are cut off from their land
>they can't demand anything in the peace
>the give me the province I have a claim on
>I GAIN 14 favors

Absolutely subversive

https://youtu.be/0I71VX5RyGA

>>171814918
not until geheminacht releases the new update in a few weeks/months

>>171815580
Fuck off fantasy memer.

>>171814918
No, it is pretty shitty. Might be better after a couple updates. Probably worth it if you're into the Game of Thrones or After the End mods though. I assume they'll be able to do cool things with it unlike the guys that actually made it.

>south africa general NEVER stays up on /pol/
>>>/r/thedonald killed that place better than any tumblefty/pol/ raid ever could.

>>171815808
Is after the end still updated?

I thought that was dead

Help me choose my next HIP playthrough
>1066 or Alexiad: restore Persia as a custom ruler: Yuhanon Jafari
>Saladin start as a custom Fatimid ruler establish an North-African Caliphate
>Alexiad start as Alexios
>Norman England
>restore Karling France
I'm open to ideas

Someone teach me how to play Crisis in the Kremlin please.

>>171816138
You mean too many immigrant too quickly can destroy the cohesion of a group of people? No way! You racist!

>>171815760
monks and mystics is fucking shit content wise, and the only good thing that will come out of it is the ability to work with artifacts and societies/cults. gheminsbundheit is actual fantasy though unlike vanilla, so I don't have a problem with magic cults summoning demons in it unlike vanilla

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>new HIP mod is not compatable with old save games

>another rebuilt Rome vanishes into dust

I mannaged to nab all of Western Europe, Hungary, Saxony and Mesopotamia.

Now I start all over

Again

>>171816798
>gheminsbundheit is actual fantasy though unlike vanilla, so I don't have a problem with magic cults summoning demons in it unlike vanilla
Can't you disable it in the options?

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How are you supposed to beat the Ottomans in EU4? Or, any suggestions for the predicament myself and my friends find ourselves in?

They got lucky nation and now have almost 200 force limit. The next highest is Spain (who is also lucky, and has integrated Aragon and Naples) who have 80 force limit.

I'm playing fucking Ethiopia, and my mates are Hungary (good player, but just dismantled in the 30YW by the Ottomans) and Milan (average player). I couldn't stop the Mamluks because they became an Ottoman protectorate early on, but should be able to start taking them apart now.

We're also lacking the last 2 DLC so I get fuckall religious bonuses.

>>171816301
restore the gothic empire

>>171816936
>going past the rhine
>blobbing in russia
It didn't deserve to live.

>>171817308
As who, lad?

>>171814918
Yes, first update since Vikings that has gotten me to play any significant amount of time.

>>171817462
a goth

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>>171816936
Didn't reach full extent borders
>Can't you disable it in the options?
Yes you can, people are just autists over Paradox embracing the fantasy elements that they have hinted at previously but kept as a gray area. People were into it so it was fully added in, but with the option to turn it off and stay ironman.

>>171817243
The way to stop the Ottomans is to pounce on their Anatolian cores before they can nab them at the beginning of the game. If you're not in a position to do that then it's just a slog through several wars to dismantle them.

>>171817727
I don't even know if that's possible. Even if me and Hungary and Milan and one or two big allies (Spain and Persia maybe) ganged up and isolated the Ottomans, their troop quality, quantity, and manpower growth means that it'll probably be very fucking difficult to beat them even once.

>>171817646
Well, it's partly that, and partly that it's just another Sunset Invasion where DUDE SATAN LMAO is the main focus. The Hermetic Society is straight up missing half it's functionality, since alchemical ingredients can't be used. The two monk orders are practically identical, and most other religious groups don't even get any societies other than Satan reskins.

>>171817835
Keep an eye out for if they get the Janissary Decadence event. It happens if they're ruler doesn't have a 5 or higher in any stat. They get a massive tech and idea cost increase, and the only way to get rid of it is to permanently disband the janissaries, killing their combat advantage, or to have their ruler have a 5 or higher in any stat, i.e. they have to eat the tech and idea cost for the life of their ruler.

>>171817951
Thanks, I'll do that.

>>171817951
>Well, it's partly that, and partly that it's just another Sunset Invasion where DUDE SATAN LMAO is the main focus. The Hermetic Society is straight up missing half it's functionality, since alchemical ingredients can't be used. The two monk orders are practically identical, and most other religious groups don't even get any societies other than Satan reskins.
Maybe I've just been enjoying the re-touched European stuff and the treasury/artifact system too much. Your points are all true, it just hasn't really diminished my fun (aside from the fact that the Orders are just awful, I was expecting some Crusader stuff)

>>171810915
>someone actually saved my image from the continuation of the meme MP game with GloriousKike and SIM

>>171818236
Actually I went through the archived and searched "gross germaniums" to bump the thread.

Now I know it was from a steamcordplaza MP game I feel sick.

>>171817951
I'm really looking forward to 2.7.1 M&M update. The Satanists are getting nerfed, there has been some hinting at Inquisition features and the secret cult mechanics (which are the best thing in this DLC if you ask me) will get some further depth, specifically in terms of how engaging the AI is while being a member or heading the said cult.

The jewish fucks at Paradox should literally get sued for false advertising however. They have blatantly put forth an evidently unfinished product with missing features, such as the ones you have mentioned.

Thankfully, I never bought a single Paradox game in my entire life.

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>>171815043
Nice. Are you going for t.prussiums or are you staying as the order?

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>>171818509
Doing Baltic Crusader, so I'm cleansing the east of Orthodoxy in the name of the Pope. Check out these snazzy motherfuckers. Third nation in the world to adopt firearms-wielding infantry.

>>171818698
>british police are finally going to adopt firearms-wielding infantry

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>>171818698
Outnumbered, but technologically superior, our troops manage to hold the siege of Moscow against the Russian hordes.

>>171818967
I hate that this is a great victory in EU4. In V2 this would be expected. EU4 models technological superiority extremely poorly, not that it even matters now as the entire world is the same technological level thanks to SJW institutions.

>>171818352
It was mostly people from the thread though steamcordplaza did invade. There was one particular Persia player that got so butthurt no one defended him from the t. urks that he said we were 'banned from official steamgruppe games'.

>>171817646
Looking at that map always makes it so clear how much longer the Roman Empire could have survived if they had subdued the germanic tribes and achieved their natural borders across central Europe. Raetia, Noricum, Pannonia, the soft underbelly of the Empire, the only direction from which it was completely vulnerable. That's where the barbarians endlessly spilled across the border delivering the mortal wound into the heart of Rome.

>>171819114
Oh yeah, Sim and the discord bumbiys are willy wagglers, not steamgroup.

It always amuses me that despite all of you sharing a common goal to destroy /gsg/ you still infight.

>>171819145
>a handful of pure white germanic "inferiors" defeated the entire roman empire
And Medbloods never recovered.

>>171807229
Who are the single easiest and hardest nations to play in
>EU4
>Victoria 2
>CK2
>HOI3

>>171819239
>a handful of pure white germanic "inferiors" defeated the entire roman empire
But that's not what happened at all. It was literally a migration of an entire race of people. It's no wonder civilization fell when those pale neanderthals flooded it.

If they could have been integrated into the empire and (even just barely) civilized like the Gauls, they would've provided an ample frontier defense that would've preserved the empire for a thousand years at least. But of course in 500 years no one could civilize them, they were too brutish.

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>>171818967
Smelling blood in the water, the steppe peoples have jumped at the chance to knock Muscovy down a few pegs.

>>171819267
Easiest and hardest to do what? Survive? Blob?

>>171819472
Anything, both, just a general matter of opinion.

>>171819267
>>EU4
France before MoH, Ming after
Hardest was probably African niggers, but SJW institutions made them easy so probably one of those OPM vassals of Russia.
>>Victoria 2
Hard to define easiest and hardest, as all nations have their own different pros and cons, but easiest is probably France, just for not having to do the three wars Germany needs to unify.
Hardest is definately and obviously Tripoli, start at war with a boss nigger.
>>CK2
Easiest is ERE, starts with the ability to revoke dukedoms so is strong as fuck.
Hardest is some random count.
>>HOI3
Easiest is America, as it's prsctically impossible to lose and they have shittonnes of IC.
Hardest is probably Luxembourg, unless you go axis.

>>171819410
>get beat
>cry like a bitch

>>171819267
>Ottomans and depending on what goals you have to accomplish, Ryukyu nominally
>I don't play liquor simulator
>Depends on start date: Charlemagne through to Stamford would be Byzantium, weakest would be highly dependent on what ruler you roll, I'd say any OPM with a claim on their province held by a large neighbor
>Haven't played a lot, but the countries with the most and least IC/land, so America and Luxembourg

>>171819668
Ryukyu probably isn't harder than some of the OPMs over in Burma. AI rarely unifies Japan in a short enough time to get the mission to annex you before you've built up a power base by colonizing.

>>171819642
>this is how a germanic barbarian thinks

Why can't I save in EU4? I can save my file a few times but after a few hours play it won't let me override or start a new save. No steam.

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>>171819759
Fair enough, I'm not good enough at EU4 to determine which nation is most difficult, other than x is easy, y is difficult, with little to no spectrum of differentiation

my life is a meme

>>171819827
Don't compress save files

>>171819958
Is that the only issue? What does compressing save files actually do?

>>171819993
Corrupts them

>>171819941
Only reason I mention those specifically is because of shit like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6XxMR9-6uQ

>>171819267

>Victoria 2
>whats strongest
>game literally named after Empress Victoria

Lad, the sun never sets on you. in the moment the game loads in 1836.01.01 youre in such a commanding position you can start badboy wars from day 1 in unmodded vicky and blockade everyone into WE-fueled rebel cycling collapsemode.

Hardest is tripoli. You need both extreme cheese and luck even just to successfully survive your first war.

>CK2

No idea what would be the strongest, I'm not familiar with the gamebreakers.
Weakest might be some zoroastrian trying to hold the tide aganist muslims or some random throwaway minor noble anywhwere.

>HoI

USA. The AI is retarded when it comes to naval stuff and you got a free hand and the IC to meddle with the worlds affairs as you plese.
Bhutan? I mean, its hard to get annexed unless you go around kicking beehives but your ability to impact the game is zero

>EU4+3

Le Grande Bleu of course. There is that bitch ass cheese with the native minors though, its funny as fuck. Still cant recreate EU3 levels of cheese with Ming+Oirat stability event resetting.
Some christian minor bordering ottomemes probably. Even in EU3 the meme ryukyu wasnt hard, just tedious. The hardest time I had in EU were with chimu, oyo and the likes. You are basically not even a functional country, just an NPC for others to beat up. It takes hours to carefully dance out every colonial war and bleed out the enemy through WE and a single fuckup means you can reload or you'll be annexed.

>>171820350
>UK is strongest
Wrong.

UK is one of the weakest nations there is, they have to divide their forces, making them easy to kill. Australia has 15,000 people, NZ none, South Africa 30,000, Canada 45,000, Britain 100,000, India 200,000, anybody can simply move their army into these places and take them because they don't have to divide their forces like this, weakening themselves.

>>171820350
>No idea what would be the strongest, I'm not familiar with the gamebreakers.
The Karlingblob or starting as a ViKANG in ToG / Charlememe, Vikings get ridiculous bonuses for pagans and can raid even when reformed.

>Le Grande Bleu of course.
Looks like it'll be Ming by next expansion though. In player hands, China is complete fucking bullshit, which is probably obvious - at the beginning of the game you have the national development of the next three GPs, combined.

>>171820476
>Britain is one of the weakest nations there is
Anon not him but you can LITERALLY AFK from the game and you have a 30% chance of being #1 by the time the game finishes.

>>171820563
Oh sure, for the player. I thought we were measuring strategic inherent difficulty. You can make almost any country a GP.

>>171820563

I just assumed he is shitposting.

>In player hands, China is complete fucking bullshit, which is probably obvious - at the beginning of the game you have the national development of the next three GPs, combined.

The saddest thing is, its historically accurate. Ming china was on the eve of an industrial revolution breaking out, they mined coal, knew about rudimentary steam engines, replacable parts, mass production and the like but then they had a string of retarded emperos who crippled them into a joke for centuries. I especially love the part when they scuttled the worlds largest and most advanced navy able to sail anywhere from north america to the horn of africa and razed all their coastal settlements because they hated japanese pirates so much.

>>171820658
Well depending on how you measure strategic inherent difficulty
Britain starts off ahead of the game on industrialization and shit. The US has a good chance of overtaking them sure but Britain is probably the next best situated to become the industrial giant of the world.

>>171820727
>replaceable parts / mass production
Anon those were in place by 200 BCE. Qin crossbows had replaceable stocks and bows.

>>171820734
Yeah, but as I said their division of units makes them vulnerable. It's not like continuous land based powers like Russia, Germany, Frqnce, Austria, Spain, etcetera, they constantly have to divide their army to the point that they're only an eight as strong as a nation that can ship it's entire army to fight them.

Having said that, they do mobilize a shittonne of troops in Britain proper in the late game, regularly 300,000+

>>171820765

I know, right? It feels like we are living in some kind of weird alternate universe where the inevitable chinese world conquest didnt happen. They were in such an unassailable position for literally centuries and came back several times even after civil wars. They had the technology,the economy ,the army, the navy, yet nothing.

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>>171820727
>>171820917
There's been a lot of discussions about why China stopped expanding and looked inwards.
The biggest reason is because China didn't need anything from the outside world. Europe went off to explore not for the sake of exploring but because they wanted to find a better route to India and China. As far as China gave a shit, they didn't need to find a route to anyone. People came to them for trade Their domestic market was many times that of Europe combined. They didn't lack any real resources that they needed to go fuckoff far to find.
In the eyes of anyone who was looking at things objectively with then-knowledge, they'd probably agree that exploration was not the top of the concern list and that when you're thinking of saving money (the Ming was in serious financial trouble later on), the navy is looking like a ripe target to scuttle. Remember that [nobody] at the time knew about the Americas.
There's always plenty of threads on /his/ but it boils down to lack of need. Why go out to find the world when the world comes to you?

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>>171819427
I fucking love these monastic order units.

>>171820727
I thought it was the HLET that memed them into obscurity?

>>171817412
>>going past the rhine
>>blobbing in russia
>It didn't deserve to live.
That was all vassals mang
I didn't touch alania or cumania

>>171821101
Mine do the same shit every time I try to have a nice looking empire and it drives me insane. Worst part is that disallowing external wars requires you to switch to imperial administration, and even then it only applies to de jure vassals.

>>171821086
There's a lot of reasons China got meme'd into backwardness. I doubt obscurity is the word to use, everyone knew about China. Whether or not they RESPECTED China...well, let's just say "400 million potential converts".
The HLET was one. The lack of exploration (in a sense Europe got extremely lucky America was just 'there', and I could easily see things going far differently for both Europe and China if Thorfinn actually got a foot down in Vinland) and the subsequent influx of resources was another.

>>171820727
>most advanced navy able to sail anywhere from north america
>chinks were in NA
[Citation needed]

>>171821086
The HLET is why China got on the 'cusp' of an industrial revolution like four times in a row but decided it wasn't worth it. In Britain it was worth it to invest in an engine. In China it was a waste of time and money because you could just hire more workers.

>>171821232
Not him, but if you actually look at a map of the Pacific, China has the ability to get to North America via island-hopping / coast hugging without ever losing sight of land.

>>171821264
>HLET
>>171821086
>HLET
>>171821220
>HLET
what does this mean?

>>171821354
High Level Equilibrium Trap
You would've found out with like three seconds of googling.

>>171821414
>You would've found out with like three seconds of googling.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=HLET&t=ffcm&ia=web

>>171821474
>duckduckgo
You use google captchas everytime you post here, you nonce.

>>171821474
>duckduckgo
Try "HLET China".

>>171821303
>China has the ability to get to North America via island-hopping / coast hugging without ever losing sight of land.
ah yes
*tips frozen boats in the bering strait*

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>>171821526
>HLET China
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=HLET+China&t=ffcm&ia=web

>>171821220
>in a sense Europe got extremely lucky America was just 'there',
Lad, what is the atlantic ocean.

>>171821232

The seaworthiness of their ships was unquestionable. When the first portuguese and dutch started tricking into asia they were marveling at the chinese ship designs. Just look into Zheng He's expeditions.

Chinese landing in NA is disputed, mostly because many imperial records are missing or got covered up by their contemporaries but they knew about the continent existing and would have been able to reach it without any trouble.

>>171821220

Well, australia was sort of there for them too, and they never colonized it. I doubt the abbos would have been able to put up any resistance.

>>171821675
>The seaworthiness of their ships was unquestionable. When the first portuguese and dutch started tricking into asia they were marveling at the chinese ship designs. Just look into Zheng He's expeditions.
>Chinese landing in NA is disputed, mostly because many imperial records are missing or got covered up by their contemporaries but they knew about the continent existing and would have been able to reach it without any trouble.
Hory shit, the PRCIDF is out in force.

>>171821675
>dutch sail all the way around africa, india. Indonesia and malaya
>all to marvel at how much more advanced the chinese ships are
How many yen do you get per post, Chong?

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>>171821586
You can go through a southern route or a northern route. Not that I'm satying they actually DID, mind you, just that it would've been theoretically possible.

>>171821664
The point is that nobody knew it was there. People expected that it was just a straight sailing to China and Japan and India, if you could indeed go east by going too far west. The fact that there was a "new world" was certainly a blessing.

>>171821675
>Chinese landing in NA is disputed, mostly because many imperial records are missing or got covered up by their contemporaries but they knew about the continent existing and would have been able to reach it without any trouble.
No they didn't. 1421 is garbage even in Chinese eyes, t. Chink

>Zheng He
Zheng He's voyages were mainly reconfirmations of existing trade routes with the exception of the girafee incident and meant to impress the people in the other ports instead of find new lands. Furthermore, the treasure ships, even if they existed, were not exactly the most seaworthy because they were built to the extreme limits of physical possibility in order to seem more impressive. The smaller and more manageable ships may have been seaworthy.

>>171821921
I do believe that the mixed lanteen-square rig, chaulked watertight compartments in the hold, and the stabilizing rudder-board in the middle of the ship were noted to be great ideas.

>>171822068
>You can go through a southern route
*gets to pitcairn islands and dies because you're thoudands of miles from china or America and have no supplies
>or a northern route.
*gets to aleut islands and dies because the water has frozen around your boat, breaking it as the water expanded forming said ice and there isn't enough seal cub to sustain you for any length of time*

>>171822068

>Zheng He's voyages were mainly reconfirmations of existing trade routes with the exception of the girafee incident and meant to impress the people in the other ports instead of find new lands. Furthermore, the treasure ships, even if they existed, were not exactly the most seaworthy because they were built to the extreme limits of physical possibility in order to seem more impressive. The smaller and more manageable ships may have been seaworthy.

No shit, the entire point was that they were able to such voyages but deciced not to. And of course they had smaller ships than the treasure ships, but their shipbuilding and sailing skill was high enough to handle ocean-going fleets.

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Soldiers! Pompey, and the Senate, have formally declared that Gaius Julius Caesar is an enemy of Rome!
They have declared that I am a criminal. They have declared, in the fact, that all of you, ALSO, are criminals!

Tribune's veto was not exercised! People's Tribune, Mark Anthony, and fifty men of the XIII were assaulted by a thousand head of Pompeian scum. A Tribune, of the Plebs, assaulted on the steps of the Senate house! Can you imagine a more terrible sacrilege!? Our beloved Republic is in the hands of madmen!

This is a dark day, and I stand in a fork in the road - I can abide the law and surrender my arms to the Senate, and watch the Republic fall to tyranny and chaos, or, I can go home, with my sword in my hand, and run those maniacs TO THE TARPEIAN ROCK!

Of fifty brave men of the XIII, whom fought Pompey's Thousand in the forum, and saved the Tribune, it was Legionary Titus Pullo whom drew first. Titus Pullo is with me! AND YOU, ARE YOU WITH ME!? Will you march with me to Rome and take back our home from those madmen!?

>>171822309
Well considering that China had these massive fucking supply boats that were apparently enough in Zheng He's time to supply literal regiments of soldiers and their families on board for the entire voyage, and considering that Magellan (okay HE didn't) somehow made it the entire way 'round the world...
And the idea is that, since you can get there by island hopping, you can easily wait around. They COULD HAVE built a base in Malaysia, Pitcairn, and then gone to Argieland. They COULD HAVE built a base in Hokkaido, Aleut, and then gone to Alaska / Cali. I didn't say they did.

>>171822327
They decided not to because in then-knowledge it was a waste of fucking money, that Ming didn't have to spare.

>>171822419
Based crier

>>171822478
that's no crier senpai, that's based caesar himself

>>171822419
Rome died too young, she was too good for her audiences

>>171823175
>that's no crier senpai, that's based caesar himself
Caesar is a crier. I watched the show, I was making a shitty joke

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Come on, step it up!

>>171823274
https://youtube.com/watch?v=BJ0xBCwkg3E

>>171823346
>when you get tanks and have researched gas attacks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atuFSv2bLa8

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>>171816936
>Rome
>tfw it still kinda works
>tfw it's all fucked up

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>>171824923
anyone have an idea why it's all screwy?

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>>171824997
'MERICA

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>>171825098
shhhhhhh..... it's a secret

So how do I come out of the closet?

I want to allah who ackbar this shit up.

it's all fucked anyway

Does /gsg/ play ck2 with defensive pacts on or off?

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>>171825197
lol que?

>>171825235
that depends, are you a pussy?

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>>171825375
here we go niggers

lets see if i can go on

>>171825235
They work well early game imo, like as a viking it makes sense that finnic pagans would team up against you if you repeatedly attack them, but once you're a large empire they seem a bit retarded.

No way the entire known world would have banded together to attack an empire over a county, it's ridiculous.

Usually turn them off if I'm doing an empire type game though. Don't if I'm restricting myself to a smaller kingdom level.

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>>171825548
it's working

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>>171825837
I like this muhammadan thing

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The War of the British Succession has been going on for 31 years and only now are rebellions openly occurring within the Empire. Hopefully we'll reach Vienna in 5 years. I just got Espirit de Corps and swapped out Scientific Revolution for Engineer Corps to deal with all these level 4 forts.

>>171814318
No don't make Africa trade companies, you want the manpower even if it means niggers in the army

>>171822419
Pls I don't come here to be reminded Rome's cancellation.

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>tfw too intelligent to have missionaries
also looks like Ethiopia blobbed hard and now they are expanding into arabian peninsula
i guess its time to put these janissaries we got from two ottomans provinces into use

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>>171828215
How do I take this sort of screenshoot lads?

>>171821675
>Chinese landing in NA is disputed, mostly because many imperial records are missing or got covered up by their contemporaries but they knew about the continent existing and would have been able to reach it without any trouble.
sauce

>>171828215
>tfw wiz was autistic enough to get rid of sliders because some of the sliders were always better than others

>>171829894
China loved burning down their own libraries. Centuries of knowledge gone like several Alexandrias

>>171807229
hey

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>>171821675

>>171829989
So there's no sauce

>tfw there will never be a wargame centered around AirLand Battle combat because such a war never happened
It hurts lads

>set message filters to Europe
>Qara Qoyonlu is on there
What did Paradox mean by this?

>>171831870
Wait a second there is
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wargame:_AirLand_Battle

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>>171828215
fixed a problem of having no western neighbours by giving away one of my provinces
i can finally start westernizing

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>>171832220
you racist shitlord EU doesnt use the oppresive term westernization any more they are called insitutions the renaissance could totally have started in chig chong china, currystan, or the kongo

>>171832019
they own land in anatolia which is on the european continent

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>Kaiserreich
>Playing Commune of France
>It's 1939
>Union of Britain STILL doesn't want to join my fucking faction
>I have America (which recently conquered Canada), Mexico, Brazil, Bolivia, Norway, Netherlands, Anarcho-Syndicalist Spain and Southern Italy in my faction, but not Britain
>Even though all the early game events seem to imply that Britain should be in my faction
>Relations at +200 but a 0% chance of getting them to join me
What the FUCK? Do I need to wait for an event to get them to join me or something?

>>171829134
f10

>>171833362
>memereich instead of much superior BlackICE
you deserve it desu

Is HPM still alive?

Should I annex Persia in HPM or just sphere them?

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This is it gents. The make or break moment (and I'm lucky it comes so early). The dream of European Peace lives or dies in the coming year.

>>171833558
Thanks (I googled it anyways though)

>>171833713
People unironically like bice?

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>>171833810
whenever a liquor factory shuts down, HPM is always there

>>171833814
Sphere them. Anyone who conquers Persia is doomed to become Persian.

>>171833924
What about Arabia? Should I form it or annex the peninsula instead?

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Even more bugs with aztecs.

>>171833918
When was the last time he posted?

i want to form the HRE but my prussia is so great
god damn

>>171836476
Form Germany instead.

>>171836334
2016

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that's a big novgo...

What is the best country in the following games for playing as a happy merchant?

CK2
EU4
Vic2

>>171837051
venice/hansa
genoa
oman

>>171835437
Uh Aztecs are pretty cool. Drink chocolate while giving blood to the blood gods and uh not afraid of no Crusader.

>>171836709
Actually march 2017 you piece of shit memester.

Why can't Stellaris have a VicII style economy?

>>171837351
A better question, why can't V2 have Stellaris' territory management with appointed governors to them (like colonies)

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>>171837351
not all alien species are affected by liquor the same way, therefore the bicky 2 economic model collapses

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>sandpeople fuck Francia up in every single war but one
>every crusade against them fails
>have enough of the succession of retards ruling Francia
>break free, ally Lombards and England
>sandpeople attack England
>manage to beat them since king of sand goes negative with money
>war ends
>see that Umayyads have -1000 gold
>declare Holy war to take advantage of the lowered morale
>king of sand has 42k troops
>paying only 10 moneys for it each month

What in the fucking shit is this, do muslims get some bullshit "you dont need to pay your troops because enemy declared war on you"?

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Get fucked Emperor.

>>171837942
>expecting the AI in paradox games to actually have to pay for anything
>implying they won't just cheat more money in
lmao

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just fuck me shit up senpai

>>171839257
start and blogpost new campaign too after you finish this

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Hey guys, long time no see. I just wanted to post this (through a friend abroad) to let you know that I'm not dead, and by proxy the pack is not dead, just on hold until the first days of August when I come back home. I'm afraid I can't take flag requests since I can't make flags on the shitty laptop I brought either, but I'll stay a while to respond to some posts if you need to tell me anything.
Just to keep this on topic, so to speak, I took this picture at the National Museum today. It's the alternatives proposed for the national flag of the PRC. You may recognize some of them since I used them in my pack.

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>>171841283
You got it buddy. There's two options on finishing this war. One is I force the HRE into a personal union and I guess consider this game over. I'd have to fight all the other nations who are currently trying to fight the Empire now that its weak, but it could be interesting.

Second is I dismantle the Empire so that it's split into little pockets that I can promptly riddle with spies and force a balance of power in Central Europe.

>>171841621
Force a balance of power. Become the perfidious albion.

>>171841621
are you using any mods?
imho just release nations and observe shitstorm as they kill each other

>>171841392
waggles

>>171807229
Help I have reaper's due and can humiliate prisoners, but can't mutilate nor sing bad poetry to them.
Playing as king of Wessex with anglo Saxon culture and catholic religion
Is that stopping it, if not that then what can I change to multilateral them

>>171843174
become muslim

>>171841392
What are your opinions on Chinese liquor?

>>171842942
>>171843504
Based steamcordplaza welcoming crew

>>171808116
byzanon here, i have to go, i'll be back in about 6 hours

How do I give counties away when my demesne is getting to big? I own now one half of Sweden, should I just wait until I die, have my oldest son inherit everything, murder my youngest and kill my remaining vassal? As far as I am aware, as long as I am the only titleholder, my demesne limit wouldn´t matter since I wouldn´t have any vassals then.

As we all know Argentina is Roman
Byzanon is obviously a Byzaboo and He said he's a shitskin
Therefore, Byzanon is a Roman Argentine

>>171844006
maybe he's gypsy who thinks hes romanian and who also thinks romanians are romans

Any cool fanmade cults or societies yet? Vanilla satanists are too tacky for me

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>>171841392

>>171843931
You do 'grant landed title'
>>171843245
That it?

>>171844481
>>>/pol/

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>>171845584

what are /gsg/ approved muslim countries to play as in paradox games

>>171841392
Blanco y Basado
Are you fucking Hitlermod's boipucci?

>>171845745
we get it dude, you go on 4chan

>>171843174
Mutilate. Only available to rulers with certain traits, such as Cruel or Impaler, this causes the permanent loss of a body part. May lead to you becoming Cruel if you are not already, and can cause them to gain Stressed or even Lunatic.
Bad poetry. Rulers with the Poet trait may deploy their very worst poems against a prisoner. While a comparatively mild punishment, it nonetheless has a slight chance to drive them mad.
Consume. Rulers who are either Possessed or Lunatic and also have the Cannibal modifier may simply eat their prisoners. If you haven’t disabled fantasy content, this may lead to you “gaining the power” of your victim.

Found it looking at the developer diary because the wiki is too lazy to update. However 'needing cruel to mutilate which can lead to getting the cruel trait' implies other traits also let you use it

>>171845584
we get it dude your hair is purple

>>171845834
[call to prayer heard quietly in the background]

>>171846481
no it isn't, shut up you dirty neonazi shitlord

>>171846539
we get it dude, you think you're a woman

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>>171846050

>>171846536
For Me, this was the tip-off that You're a racist

>>171845834
ck 2 iberian muzzies
eu mamluks mughals
vic egypt mughals persia

>>171846001
some day anon, some day

so what to do . im tired of eu4, victoria 2, hoi4 , hoi3, dh , my life. any ideas?

>>171847613
play ck2

so everyone agree the rival system in eu4 is retarded right
whats the most efficient way to mod it out

I wish the AI in ck2 wasn't so hopelessly moronic, it has to be pretty much the only thing that can't be solved with mods

>>171841392
Are you still here? I got something for you to consider for your return...

>>171847889
>so everyone agree the rival system in eu4 is retarded right
Yes. France not allowed to rival Provence but Ottomans can rival Byzantium =)

>>171848329
i just think its stupid how the gps will set eachother as rivals and remain that way for the next 400 years

>>171846663
shalom-allah-malekum brother

>>171848647
it makes sense with a handful of them but for the main you're right, it fails to take into account the shifting geopolitics of the era aka Habsburgs marrying everyone

Any mod in ck2 that just adds a decision to fuck my wife? Took me ten years to get her pregnant and it ended up being a daughter anyway.

>>171846651

Just stop.

>>171849815
just use the seduction focus on unmarried women and you can legitimize their bastards

>>171849926
I can try, but I'd really just like to force myself upon my wife until she makes a legitimate son. What did I even get married for in the first place if not that?

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reee russia fuck off already

>>171851334
>le infinite cascading wars meme
just one reason why EU4 is better desu

>>171849872
ok

>>171851402
it can lead to hilarious situations but yeah usually they're just annoying

http://imgur.com/a/Ch69v

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>>171841823
Done. After 40 years, the War of the British Succession has come to an end. After a second sack of Vienna and a quick elimination of the few straggling armies that could pose a threat to the minor powers that are still at war with the Empire, we have emerged victorious. Our spies are now tasked with sowing further rebellion within the Empire and collapsing it further. Our fleets will harbor in Dublin and Oslo in the event of another war between us and the Empire, and our forces will be stationed within the new free and friendly states stretching from Bremen to Milan. The Empire, despite forty years of war, had 400 thousand men left to reinforce their shattered armies and the second largest economy in the world despite the occupation, colonial secession and blockades. The Emperor is able to retreat back to Vienna, wishing nothing but for us to die.

Kongesangen echoes out through America and Old Norway! The war is over! The world is forever changed!

>>171842015
CanOmer's map mod. Nothing else.

>>171850693
The torture mod in the archive works great for this, but it needs a little updating. Download it, go into the decisions folder and edit rape_decisions.txt

In the first line delete vassal_decisions and replace it with targetted_decisions

Also victims of rape get the same event pop up rapists get, but this is harder to see because player characters rarely get imprisoned. (AI with Lustful/cruel has a high chance of raping)
Fixing this isnt difficult but Im typing on a phone. I might upload a fixed version when i get home

I am attempting to merge ck2 with geheimnisnacht and I am getting a CTD halfway through loading the game when I'm processing "events". Anyone know what could be wrong?

>>171853098
Fucking nice write up son. Lovely stuff.

There's literally nothing wrong with being racist.

>>171853791
We are all racist to a certain percentage. Every single one of us. Unless you believe in creationism, of course in which case we aren't.

>>171853702
Is it because I downloaded the latest version of CK2 with monks and mystics and geheim isn't updated? I can only find a pirated version of CK2 from a russian site, piratebay is down.

>>171853702
are you sure it's a CTD and not just loading? I know for me that when I load sometimes it will not respond and the loading bar stops moving, but if I want a minute or 2 it finishes loading and I can play.

>>171853854
>le creationism is wrong maymay
>le you can't be christian and racist maymay
>>>/r/paradoxplaza
Jesus would be racist if he was alive today btw

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How this is even possible?

On a side note, I'm kind of new to the game, so could anyone explain why would Holy Roman Emperor destroy his kingdom title after being elected? Or is this just a case of stupid AI?

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>>171851334
>westernized and caught up with western military tech
our tech spending is kinda soviet union/north korea tier with 80% focus on military but it was worth it

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*bombards your path*

is there a mega for the monks and mystics some kind anon could link please and thank you

*genocides and enslaves the wh*te race*

>>171854010
It is a CTD, there is no freeze it just closes. I think it's just because I have the latest version downloaded via a link in the OP and geheim isn't updated. I don't even know what version I need because I'm pirating the game.

>>171853854
what if you actually just judge people you know based on their individual merits and are apathetic toward anyone you don't?

checkmate.

>>171854023
*tips fedorah*

>>171854343
Sorry. Tribalism (the non-marxist word for it) is inherent to the species. I - for one - am glad it is too.

>>171854441
if you believe that, then it's true, for you senpai. you shouldn't assume we're all the same though.

>>171854539
It's not a question of belief. Unless of course you hold to a religious doctrine rather than the scientific method, in which case it is =)

>>171854343
>what if you actually just judge people you know based on their individual merits and are apathetic toward anyone you don't?
Then you put yourself to a selective disadvantage

>>171847236
ewwww faggot

>>171854240
Very few mods have been updated for M&M

>>171854441
There's no scientific reason for tribalism to be connected to race though. Even if it's true that humans are hard-wired to socialize with an ingroup vs an outgroup, there are plenty of cases of people defining their ingroup differently than as "people who Europeans consider the same race as myself."

Do you think we will end up like /sc2/?

everytime i go there i get goosebumps. seeing mental illness like that just gives me the creeps

>>171854979
Nope, there's no e-celebrities or k-pop shit, shitposters get reported and banned and the OP always stays on topic of games.

>>171854979
im too lazy to go there
explain

>>171854943
Tribalism exists at all levels of the scale. At the micro it would be your next door neighbour or maybe even your twin brother. At the macro it would be extra-terrestrials, or people from an alternate reality. Race sits somewhere happily in the middle. I'm not saying we are all potential Ku-Klux Klan members, I'm saying that we are all racist to a certain degree. Again, that degree fits on a scale. You might be less racist than me or you might be more racist. The fact is, you are racist.

>>171855112
And most important, unlike SC2 most of the games here are not dead, so there is always a new shovelware DLC that ruins the game for anons to bitch about.

>>171855123
there are 50 ppl max that frequently post there. No one talks about the game or even something related. People talk about donut holes, how they tried to kill themselves earlier, post random phrases and sometimes its literally gibberish.
It's not cool, it's like everyone deserted the game and these people didnt have anywhere else to go

>>171855336
only 77 people inn this thread, we're well on the way there

>>171855336
They have other places to go, they just don't want to. It's what happens when people "developed" "thread culture" too much and end up getting attached to the place and start treating it as a chat room.

>>171855303
Some people call this "implicit bias." I agree that this is a real phenomenon, although I would assert that implicit bias about race is a learned behavior. Society is racist, so we learn how to identify different races and define them as ingroup and outgroup. If you've ever spent time with a small child (not likely in this thread...) you might've noticed that most of them go through a "pointing at people and saying what race they are" phase.
Regardless this can't be taken as evidence that racism (or racialism) is "correct."

I still really fucking hate that -40 opinion for not on council ""strong vassals"". the way strong vassal is assigned is fucking dumb in the first place with like 90% of your dukes and counts being considered strong. Why do vassals with the content trait still want to be on the fucking council? Why make every single vassal that doesn't have at least like 50 opinion join the increase council power faction even if they're not on the council? Monks an Mystics might be incomplete Satan fanwank but it will never be worse than FUCKING Conclave to me which broke vassals and councils.

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>>171855336
you literally cant make this up, wtf is wrong with these people

>>171855781
Looks like /gsg/ during a steamcordplaza raid.

>>171855336
We have about 100 regular posters (not accounting for people with two or more IPs due to phones etc.), no more than two of whom are ever actually posting game-related stuff at a time. People talk about /pol/shit, brag about their own misanthropy, and post random catchphrases like "white and based," "la plata," and "yeehaw." At certain times of night the real willy wagglers come out and post genuine /sc2/ level gibberish, long, mostly all-caps posts that involve a lot of repeated words and letters.

>>171854979
>>171855304
If we don't get a Vicky 3, we may as well end up like SC2 tbqh. EU4 is fucking shit and CK2 isn't getting any better, but worse with every following DLC. I don't even want to bring up Goy$.

>>171856056
What about making space great again?

*farts*

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Had anyone else had a persistent glitch like this?

>>171857356
disable satanists

>>171847889
>>171847889
Make it not cost 100 diplo mana to change, and that 'humiliate rival' casus beli can actually take land. Whilst no cooldown on changing rivals, so you can roleplay as England in te 17th century where they fight all their allies apart from Sweden
Also have economic and political rivals, as by 1700 the English and Dutch were allies but their merchants fought often

Also change colonisation because India and east India are retarded ATM

>>171857419
You mean M&M? I don't have it.

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Is there any feeling better than being led by a worthy liege?

>867 theme of sicily start
>24000 mostly event spawned aghlabids literally one tile away from my county on day 1
>they're holy warring specifically for my home
>send the new wife into hiding and stand my ground in the castle as an army of 10000 readies siege ladders
>basileus appoints me to marshal of the realm, safely whisking me to constantinople just before the infidels break in, kill all my loyal men and occupy the entire county
>basileus gathers his armies, loads them into boats and organizes a swift landing behind enemy lines
>watching fuckhuge battle of 24k vs 24k for the fate of my home at 1x speed, byzantines losing because byzantines
>byzantines in full retreat with only the broken center still on the battlefield
>basileus personally captures the sultan at literally the last tick possible and uses the leverage to end the war before he loses the battle

I will never betray him or his descendants, he is without a doubt what the hoodlums call "a real one."

>>171856056
Victoria 3 would literally kill this general. There are two people alive and posting EU3 games right now, but this is the first time that has happened in months. V2 is still the most recent Victoria game, so it is alive enough to give this thread at least a sliver of decent content. With CK2 becoming a fucking reddit fantasy game and EU4 and HoI4 ruining their respective series, it's the last thing keeping this thread alive.

If there is ever a Victoria 3 it will surely ruin that series too, and then we'll have nothing left but out of date games with one or two players max.

>>171857528
And then he revokes your title for shit and giggles.

>>171857528
and then his heir hates you for no reason and takes your clay to give it to his inbred wifes son

>>171857571
Only thing I don't like about V2 is how short those games are. Sometimes I'll get a fairly interesting game and I don't think up to 1936 is enough, and conversion to DH/HoI3/4 is always a bitch.

>>171857571
What's wrong with HoI4 (not baiting, never played it)?

>>171857528
And then he takes seduction and fucks your wife and daughters.

>>171857825
Too simplistic and AI is completely inept. There's some good ideas for mechanics but it needs to be more fleshed out and to have its AI fixed.

>>171857649
>>171857649
>>171857976
B-but he has a +70 opinion of me and we're about to become best friends! He invites me to go on hunts and made me proconsul and I want to grow old with him. But I probably will have to betray his descendants.

>>171858076
Isn't this the state of any Paradox game at release since CK2? Perhaps it will get better after a dozen or two of DLCs.

>>171858161
>made me proconsul
I bet he'll aslo make you a court eunuch.

>>171857778
Well, HPM runs at about 5 days per minute at max speed on my 6 year old computer, so the games don't feel "short."

>>171858234
It has goten way worse since then, it's laughable.

>>171858398
Do you play on 1 speed?

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So I am new to EU4 and I have a question if someone could help me out.

There are a handful of provinces in the middle of South America that have the Terra Incognita cloud over them. I am using all the DLC, so I have the Hunt for Seven Cities option with my conquistador. However, it doesn't do anything when I click the button. It looks like it activates then stops and he just sits there. I also can't move my conquistador into the Terra Incognita to explore it my clicking on it. Am I doing something wrong? Is the game bugged?

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reedcord blown the fuck out

>>171858359
He would never, you guys just don't know him like I do

>>171854036
>-14589.3 prestige
>-6902.1 piety
Medieval /r9k/?

>>171858603
It's wastelands. It has no provinces, so you cannot move into it. The terra incognita will disappear on its own as time pass by.

>>171858660
>trusting anyone in Byzantium
Did you ever read anything about history?

>>171858776
Ah, ok. Thanks bro.

>>171807229
Where do I get eu4 dlc for free

>>171858076
No hoi game has had good ai, I don't get how this is away from form, it was always either broken or scritped as shit and thus broke when you went off script.

>>171858524
No, I play at max speed as I mentioned. It's CPU bottlenecked though so I don't think the speed limiter even does anything in my case. I spend most of my actual play hours with the game paused though, and just switch between pause and speed 5 constantly.

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>>171858852
This.
Childhood is when you idolize byzantine struggle against their ultimate demise at hands of turks.

Adulthood is when you realize is that they have dig their own grave by being corrupt since forever and massacring latins which caused based pic related to avenge his fellow brothers.
Byzantines died with Basil II.

>>171847921
>hopelessly moronic
What do you mean?
>>171854036
Because he was asked to in a war

>>171859220
Are you talking about the emperor or that gay duke?

>>171859073
Delet

>>171859073
Too bad Italy at the time was Byzantium on crack and Machiavelli

>>171857356
It's your graphics card m8

Should I play CK2plus or HIP?

>>171858997
cs.rin.ru

or something

>>171857423
I agree with all of this except Humiliate Rival. No land but it should cap out all of your monarch points. 100 points for a 15 year truce is dogshit.

>>171861125
>It's your graphics card m8
Everything else except Eastern European buildings looks fine, so it must be something about them.

>>171856056
Just as well there are plenty of people here that like EU4 and CK2. If you don't like them feel free to fuck off back to /pol/

>>171861145
>CK2+
Enahnced vanilla

>HIP
Larger map, more historical immersion

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>finally find a seemingly good playlist to put on while playing ck2
>fantasy metal starts playing

>be a landed heir
>dad seduces my wife
>she is pregnant with his bastard
>rival dad, challenge him to a duel
>get maimed by him
>plot with mom to kill his bastard
>dad finds out, imprisons me
>makes another bastard with my wife
CucK2, the greatest video game ever made.

>>171862771
>not killing your dad in the duel

beta

>>171862574
>not listening to OST
>not singing along to In Taberna at the top of lungs at 3 AM
>not getting cops called on your ass for this
You got what you deserved.

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>>171859073

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>>171863183
That's funny as fuck. Got any others in roughly the same vein? I like to think that the anon that posted that was being unironic.

>>171862972
At least I am not my clubfooted half-brother, who had already discovered his homosexuality at the ripe age of 1.

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I don't understand

>>171863960
the tutorial is broken, don't bother

>>171864113
like full on broken or just shit, because I already saw that it's shit

>>171864280
broken, as far as i know it's impossible to perform the air landing

>>171844884
It would be cool if the societies could be linked with Holy Orders so we could have the Knights Templar do all the spooky occult shit they got accused of.

Also it would be nice if we could borrow money from somebody other than Teh jews.

>>171864432
>Knights Templar have rumours of Satanism surrounding them
>They are all executed on the same day across Europe

>People in CK2 are known as confirmed Satanists
>nothing happens to them

>>171863106
I liked the version with the dude singing.

Did they remove it or something?

>>171864432
>It would be cool if the societies could be linked with Holy Orders so we could have the Knights Templar do all the spooky occult shit they got accused of.
Are order characters prevented from joining societies as of now?

>implying anyone else but teh jews have money
Naive goy.

>>171824624
>bothering with integrating tanks and planes into your perfect 4/4/1/1 armies
>>>/r/paradoxplaza

>>171841392
>aeyh eff pee ghee posts and I was asleep
>won't see him again until august
FUCKING REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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>>171864837
>perfect 4/4/1/1

>>171865125
>posts smug anime girl
>is actually a hoi4 playing redditor who doesn't understand how to min-max armies for maximum siege and recon

>>171865125
That is the most efficient composition.

Can I prevent MacArthur from taking power in the American Civil War and just have to fight the CSA and California?

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>>171865238
>>171865272

>>171865505
>no cold war game where you can nuke china during the korean war to prevent them ever becoming a world power again