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Thread #2479

IT'S UP Edition

Last thread: >>171612262

http://www.yugioh-card.com/en/limited/

New summoning mechanic: Link Summon
Explanation: https://ygorganization.com/memberdrawing6/

● YGOPro is an automated simulator.
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Useful Links:
>Current Official Rulebook, http://www.yugioh-card.comen/rulebook/EN_SDSE_Rulebook.pdf
>Hypergeometric Probability Calculator:
http://yugioh.party/
>Official /dng/ ruling test:
https://testmoz.com/466984

>Wiki with a wealth of information for the players:
http://yugio.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page

>Yu-Gi-Oh! stock market:
http://yugiohprices.com/

>OCG decklists:
http://blog.livedoor.jp/yugioh_tpr/
https://ocg.xpg.jp/v/deck/event.html
>TCG decklists:
http://yugiohtopdecks.com/decklists

>TCG/OCG news sites:
https://ygorganization.com/
http://blog.livedoor.jp/maxut/
Upcoming Sets:
●OCG: Starter Deck 2017 (March 25th)
●OCG: Code of Duelist (April 15th)
●OCG: Cyverse Link Structure Deck (June 17th)

●TCG: Duelist Saga (March 31st)
●TCG: Structure Decks Machine Reactor & Dinosmasher’s Fury (April 13th)
●TCG: Maximum Crisis (May 5th)
●TCG: Pendulum Evolution (June 23rd)

Before asking to be spoonfed, try the following:

● READ THE OP
● Read carefully the cards
● Lurk and read the archives
● Google your deck before you post it here. If your deck is/was competitive it will probably have topped an event, see the provided links above
● Most games have single rounds or a best of three match; matches are encouraged as they teach you to make use of your side deck for tournament play
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First for Banlist is shit
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1rst for fuck
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>Union Hangar still at 3
>Toad still at 3
>Solemn and Barrier still at 3
>No Heavy or Feather duster
>Imperial Order
>Banning Kirin
>Banning Vanity
>Limiting Maxx "C"
>BANNING THE STUPID BIRD MEME WHEN IT HASN'T DONE ANYTHING AND ISN'T EVEN LEGAL HERE
>Stratos still dead
>Norden is still here
Worst banlist ever.
The game is still just as cancerous as ever.
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>>171685903
UPDATE THE OP WITH THE STARTER DECK ALREADY
CHRIST
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I'm glad Maxx C was limited.

In theory its a really good and fair card but in this format its pure cancer since it locks you out of your moves
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Nothing cool unbanned, shit banlist.
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Does someone have an edit of Konami being a Jewish company yet?
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>>171686105
No it doesn't. You can choose to keep playing. It gives you a choice.
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>Monster effect:During damage calculation (in either player's turn), when a monster you control battles while this card is in your hand: You can target 1 monster your opponent controls; that monster you control cannot be destroyed by that battle, also you take no battle damage from that battle, then Special Summon this card from your hand, and if you do, that target has its effects negated, also this card cannot be destroyed by battle or card effects this turn. During your Main Phase: You can Fusion Summon 1 Fusion Monster from your Extra Deck, using this card you control and 1 card in your Pendulum Zone as Fusion Materials.
>Pendulum effect:You can destroy this card in your Pendulum Zone; Fusion Summon 1 Fusion Monster from your Extra Deck, using monsters you control as Fusion Materials.

Good or bad?
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>>171686000
>Union Hangar

It's the current month anon.
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>>171686105
Maxx C was probably the card with the highest pick rate in the game, since every single deck would use it.

It was true in OCG at least.
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>>171686105
>Play a quasar deck
>Deck your opponent out if he uses Maxx "C"
don't see the problem desu
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>banning vanitiy
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>>171686223
>Brionac
>not cool

>>171686278
Except if you keep going then you lose because your opponent gets too much card advantage but if you don't then your board is shit and you get OTKs
>>171686370
>playing a synchro deck in 2017
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>>171686000
>plays union hangar
>cherry banning all 3 copies of your ABC
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>>171686278
>a choice
>if they don't stop at a shitty board, I win by pure card advantage
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>>171686384
Thank god.
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>>171686457
>>171686628
You can keep going to your super board, or you can stop at a slightly less good board.
Turbo into S0 after they draw like 20 off Maxx "C"
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>>171686457
>your opponent gets too much card advantage
Run 3 maxx c and triple 5head like a man and stop crying. Going first had been a shitty choice up until recently.
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>>171685981
>>171686000
>>171686384
Stay mad poorfags.
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>>171686910
Toadally bad card design. If it couldn't float itself, it might be better.
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>>171686910
It's not even the effect which bothers me, it's how damn stupid the card looks unlike Infinity which actually looks like something you don't want to fuck with.
Who the hell decided that the Frog should be as strong as it is, I have no idea. The art is too damn inappropriate for what it does, not to mention the name.
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>>171687163
t. edgyteen
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>>171687163
Just draw some flames on it, you autist.
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>>171687163
It's a treat to summon, and it's a toad.
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>>171686000
>bitching about Emptiness and Maxx "C"

Stay mad, stunshitter. I'll be running my deck unopposed ;)

t. Zoofag
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>>171686719
>slightly less good board
That's a nice way to say shit. The new handtraps are more fair, and as /dng/ like to say it requires more "skill" to play, since you don't just shit Maxx C at the beginning. You need to understand what the deck your opponent play does, and know where to activate your handtraps that would leave them at the most disadvantageous point.
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>>171686223
>Sangan
>not cool
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>>171687024
>>171687163
>>171686910
2 Level 2 Aqua-Type monsters
Once per turn, during the Standby Phase: You can detach 1 Xyz Material from this card; Special Summon 1 "Frog" monster from your Deck. Once per turn, during either player's turn, when your opponent activates a Spell/Trap Card, or monster effect: You can send 1 Aqua-Type monster from your hand or face-up from your field to the Graveyard; negate the activation, and if you do, destroy that card. If this card is sent to the Graveyard: You can target 1 WATER monster in your Graveyard; except ''Toadally Awesome'', add it to your hand. You can only control 1 ''Toadally Awesome''.

There you go, I fixed the broken toad
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>>171687163
sounds like someone isn't Toadally Awesome
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>>171686223
>rescue cat
>not cool
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>>171687163
>I only use cards that are as cool and edgy as I am! >:(
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>>171687450
>Errat'd fur ball
Yeah no, enjoy your shitty searcher.
This banlist was literally focused on memes.
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>>171687163
>The art is too damn inappropriate for what it does, not to mention the name.

Funny thing is, the art and name is very appropriate for what it does

In Japanese

Too bad the pun is untranslatable
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would a king dragun deck be viable in today's meta?
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>>171687503
>needed to nerf like 4 parts of the card
nice try
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>>171687503
Perfect. Still obnoxious, but you no longer have to deal with multiple turn 1, and it doesn't float itself.
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Zoo isn't dead, people

It's completely fine with 2 rat.
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>>171687682
kill yourself duel links fag
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>Wisdom-Eye to 2
You're on the right track Konami.
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>>171687667
Not him, but
>new year's mochi
>negate whatever someone is doing, destroy him, and then put them face down

The only effect that makes sense is calling another frog, but that isn't what makes toadally awesome problematic.
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Sup fags. Give me a deck that's as cool and badass as myself. No lame and girly shit like Madolche and Frogs.
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>>171688250
Exodia beatdown
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>tfw powercreeped by Frogs of all things
>will probably never get good support ever again because it caused too much salt in decks which weren't even Cyber Dragons

Omni-negators were a mistake, all they do is just put a bio-hazard sign on the archetype even if it doesn't do much for the archetype itself.
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>>171688143
>This card's name is a pun of 持ち帰る (Mochikaeru), which means to bring back or carry home.

>Mochi toad (Mochikaeru) that bring back (Mochikaeru) your opponant's shit for your own use
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>>171687163
It licks up your opponent's cards to your side of the field like a frog grabbing a fly it's very appropriate
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Does anyone have the Dueling Book pic where it shows peoples gender and where they live?
I need it for my folder.
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>>171685903
>limiting maxx c when forehead loli is coming soon
for what purpose?
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>Buyout Zoodiacs at my local store after the OCG banlist leaked, pretty much got everything at 50%,
>Today the guy calls me asking if I would like to get my money back + a in-store discount
HAHAHAHAHAHA
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>kaiju slumber put at two when most people use two
???????????
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>>171688102
They are just being kind because they are going to kill it again in a few months.
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>>171688250
reverse exodia
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>>171688735
It feels good when you get to Jew the Jew
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>>171688250
Cloudians.
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So Gouki is going to be the rival archetype of Vrains.
Do you like these ogre's?
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>>171689039
>rival
thought he was a friend?
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Hey guys, honest opinion, even though it was really weird, how much did you guys enjoy Xstevens content?

It was weird to watch dolls duel but I watched every episode as they were coming out all the way through high school.

followup question, would you watch other narrative style yugioh content on youtube? Perhaps something that is a little less strange?
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>>171688559
That shit is KagamiMochi(new year's mochi). And the Kaeru joke doesn't work, because it means both toad and return in japanese. But the thing is, you are not returning it, you are stealing it, since it wasn't yours to begin with.

What it is returning is the water monster in your grave, and the kagami mochi is almost always 2 mochis(toads) with an orange on top, so it bring a smaller(non xyz) toad to the board.

But the effect that really makes the card shine doesn't have anything to do with its name, pun, or origin.
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>>171689039
He's not the rival
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>>171688837
Hopefully when they bring Links out they'll free Pendulum Call and Skullcrobat Joker. I'm happy about Wisdom-Eye but them turning Pendulum Evolution into a Booster Box makes me want to kill myself still though.
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>>171689039
>rival archetype

he's a Gongenzaka
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>>171689157
No, he's the rival. They're doing the smart and lean protagonist vs bulky bruiser antagonist thing since YGO hasn't done that cliche,yet.
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>>171685903
did kirin even see play in this current format? ( with zoodiacs)
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>>171689039
They look cool at least. I still like star grails more, of only for the borderline loli
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>>171689219
>>171689245
Go is suppose to be the rival.
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>Future Fusion to 1.
Ayy, It's already been errata'd here right?
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>>171687893
if i wanted help with Duel Links i'd go to that general. I'm just someone who hasn't played in a good few years and i'm wondering what old decks are still viable.
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>>171689487
I don't know but, if you have the old card you have to use the updated text.
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>>171689265
His description said he thinks he's Yusaku's rival. He's not actually the rival
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>>171689039
>nigger
>bulk dumb
>obvious villain face
He is as much of a villain as Kaiba was.
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>>171689397
I love her outfit.
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>>171689510
Kill yourself duel links fag
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>>171689449
>He thinks himself to be Yusaku's rival
Gon thought he was Yuya's rival too
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>>171689670
Yeah, her outfit
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>>171689647
>Kaiba
He is as much of a villain as Joey was.
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>>171689771
Except this time it's explicitly stated he's the rival.
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>>171689581
Yeah I know that much, but I've got an Old copy of it lying around somewhere that I held on for this occation, if it hasn't bene errated yet I can do ye old spicy 5-headed dragon plays.
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>>171689449
You actually think he's going to be the rival?
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>>171689195
I remember finding it at first and thinking it was made by some super autist but after watching a bit of it I realized it's really self-aware and pretty tasteful for what it is

Not my cup of tea to sit there and watch but I respect the grind.
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>>171689195
The dolls were weird as fuck but I liked the actual duels and it was somehow better then it had any right to be
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>cat unbanned
What could possibly go wrong?
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>>171689865
No, it's stated that he THINKS of Playmaker as his rival.
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>>171689865
>it's explicitly stated he's the rival.
All it says is that he fancies himself to be Yusaku's rival.
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>>171690057
Nothing at all
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>>171690057
Not much. The errata weakens it quite a bit.
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>>171690150
>>171690179
missed the pun

>what could PAWSibly go wrong
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FREE ME
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>all these people bitching that they didn't hit d barrier
just wait until the new rules hit you dickheads, it'll be largely useless then
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>>171690405
couple yearz bud
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>>171690445
I'm fine with Barrier staying at 3. I just want Strike to go to 1.
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>>171689218
>That shit is KagamiMochi(new year's mochi)

His Jap name is Mochikaeru, which means Mochi Toad, which reflects on the art because Kagami mochi is still fucking mochi.

>And the Kaeru joke doesn't work, because it means both toad and return in japanese.

Yes, but Mochigaeru (持ち帰る) specifically means the act of taking something back with you, be it stealing or otherwise, like the old Higurashi meme.

The whole frog theme are all about this.
Like how Treeborn Frog's Jap name both means Underworld Frog and Revival, and its effect is reviving from the grave.
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Did this become relevant enough to ban or something?
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>>171690445
>implying
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>>171687163
fixed it for you
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>>171690570
http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Lyrical_Luscinia_-_Independent_Nightingale
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>>171690660
Never noticed how uncomfortable the top frog looks. Poor guy, everyone seems to want to keep him stacked, but he just wants off the ride.
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>>171690570
meme
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>>171686000
>yugioh without vanity
ALL IS WELL IN THIS WORLD
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>>171690570
Funny meme combo that gets killed early so as not to give the consumer base ideas.
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>>171690660
Absolute monster now
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>>171689756
very helpful, thanks anon
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Okay guys, KOA judge / quality control guy here.
You should buy zoodiacs and rescue since both archeotypes will be getting Link monsters and updates support before the end of the year.

Broadbull will be errated and we will have some reprints at the start of the next year.
Barricade will be limited on the next banlit because of the next support.

Some cards that will be unbanned on the next list:
>Witch of the dark forest
>Yata-garasu
>Harpie's feather duster
>Brain control (errata; The monster can't attack or be used as Synchro material)
>Super Polymerization (errata: Destroy any monster summoned by this card effect at the end of your turn)
>Butterfly Dagger (errata to prevent locks)

Limited
>Zenmaity
>16
>Last will

Banned:
>Norden
>Pendulum call
>I.Launcher
>S. Warning
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>>171690907
>>171690762
>>171690721
>burns for 5k
What's the big deal
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So how many cards are still serving a life sentence? I hear Witch of the Black Forest was finally released
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>>171691035
>Brain control (errata; The monster can't attack or be used as Synchro material)
This is what makes the thing look Legit when it should be fake.
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>>171688250
Ben kei OTK
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>>171691035
You forgot to mention Pot of Greed being unbanned
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>>171691045
>unaffected by other card's effects
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>>171689195
I thought it was weird, but I liked it.

As for more narrative content? Its inherently going to be autistic, but most of us are a little autistic so it should be ok.
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>>171691045
Can be summoned by Instant Fusion, is unaffected by other card effects and has 5000 ATK
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>>171686910
I love this freg
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>>171690286
All these years and I never realised the paw pun
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>>171691231
So? It only has 1000 attack and its a two card combo
>>171691283
>and has 5000 ATK
How? What am I missing here
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>>171691035
>Banned
>Pendulum call
???
For what reason?
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>>171691428
>This card gains ATK equal to its Level x 500
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>>171691428
>>171691283
>>171691231
Wait never mind I skipped over the "gains 500 attack per level" thing. Fair enough then
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>>171691428
>This card gains ATK equal to its Level x 500. Unaffected by other cards' effects. Once per turn: You can inflict damage to your opponent equal to this card's Level x 500.

Yes
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>>171691456
To make people buy links.
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>>171691428
>What am I missing here
This post >>171690721
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>>171691204
I don't expect you to trust me.
However considered it a opportunity to buy some cards and make a profit.
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>>171691603
sounds like strike should go instead
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>CHAOS EMPEROR DRAGON - ENVOY OF THE END STILL DOESN'T HAVE IT'S ERATTA
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>>171691603
Pendulum Call is already at 1 and the Pendulum rule changes nerf OEM enough. Plus Pendulumgraph of Ages is a better spell card than Call.
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What was with that half assed attempt at a Celtic Guard archetype? They only released that one card.
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This is the worst banlist ever and anyone who defends it is wrong. I'm going to enjoy Blazar spam now that Vanitys is gone and Maxx C is at 1. The worst part is this did not hit any deck at all and insead hit some stupid combo that dies to Crystal Wing.
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>>171692407
The list didn't hit anything important, but I'll say that FF coming back to 1 and vanities fucking off is a good thin for me personally.
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>>171692286
I'd like an obnoxious archetype instead. Every single card being a pain in ass in some manner, like the entire archetypes design is solely to waste opponents cards and plays, even if it does nothing else.
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>>171692286
forced into nk
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>>171692407
Crystal wing is a shit card
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>>171692049
Their punishment must be more severe
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>>171691875
I really hope it doesn't get one desu. I don't really care for erratas in general, but CED is just WAY too remarkable to be errata'd into uselessness. They went overboard with the nerfs. Pre-errata CED is something that should never ever come out of the list, but turning him into a nomi 3k beater that fucks your turn entirely was overkill.
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>>171692407
keep it up and we'll take the one Maxx 'c' you have left, goy

:^)
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>>171690179
Maybe I'm just an autist, but I find it exceptionally irritating when companies just errata their way out of shit.
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>>171692407
>Tewart thought it was ok to let Ratpier.dek and Dark synch.dek to spam without repercussions
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>>171689039
I fucking love it, a dimmy smash archetype that has a good chance at being good.
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Toadally Awesome is an amazing card
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>>171693091
>Dark Sync
>Good
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Why is maxx c being hit big head is probably in maximum crisis pic related is right around the corner.
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>>171693052
Why post the image and not the full clip?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4A1haySbx8
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>rescue cat unbanned
My raccoon deck gets a little bit stronger today.
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>>171689039
not really. But I'm happy Dark World's artist seems back at making most of the designs.
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>>171693091
>all they did to zoos was hit fucking ratpier to 2 which only hurts it being able to do its combo to the end of time but the deck wins by turn 3 all the time.
ANGER ENDLESS FUCKING ANGER
>TOADALLY STILL AT 3
>SOLEMN STRIKE STILL AT 3
>D BARRIER STILL AT 3 AND MY CURRENT FAVORITE DECK ISNT EFFECTED BY THIS AT ALL AND I STILL THINK ITS RETARDED
>KAIJUS BARELY FUCKING HIT AT ALL
?????????????????????????????????????
HIRE ME KOMONEY I WILL HANDLE YOUR BANLIST SOLO SINCE ALL THE RETARDS YOU HAVE NOW ARE INCOMPETENT
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>new banlist
>doesn't change the meta
So much for D/Ds getting significant spotlight other than those 2 weeks.
See you all in September for the new list, this is garbage.
>>171690660
Looks even worse.
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>>171694125
More like July, I'm pretty sure they're gonna kill a ton of decks before Code of Duelist.
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Reminder to report Julia for corporate fraud, she knew there was a list yet lied about it as well.
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>>171694558
>Implying reports are gonna do anything.
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>>171693580
I didn't notice but now I can also splash this card in my deck as well.
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>>171694715
it wasn't hit that much anyway, it only became once per turn.
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So guys. Today konami sent a card to my shop. Telling us that we are required to request your duelist number everytime you buy YGO! Merchandise and that we are forbidden to sell any sealed product if you refuse. Asked to more people and at least 5 other shops in the area got the same. Looks like Konami is finally filtering out normies.
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>>171690660
kek, anon nice one
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>>171694982
That sounds absolutely retarded, so I believe you.
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>>171694092
I'm half sure between the incoming Lyca and that fusion sub > Norden shit people love in the TCG that Zoods will be functionally the same
But look at all the shit we brought off forbidden, guize!
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>>171694982
>tfw I lost my card
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>>171694982
Bullshit
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>>171694982
For what purpose.
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>>171692407
to me maxx c count as zoodiac hit :^)
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>>171694715

It's basically a non-tuner version of Coral Dragon, only you don't draw if it leaves but it bounces shit instead so it's alright.
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>>171691059
I've been waiting too long to bust Gigavise back out.
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>>171695617
Here's a fun meme you can do with Lonefire + Soulcharge if you don't feel like FTKing people
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>>171695617
I never really understood how it worked.
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>>171694558
>Know when the list is coming out
>Buy/sell cards before hand
>Profit
I said it last thread, this is like lying about the stock market. She can buy out cards and sell cards before the price drop.
The fucking Jews just wont stop man
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>>171695475
We called their number to prevent some scam, and they basically explained us that they are trying to create an online "duelist network" and that it will use codes or "link passwords" (as they call use) included in every pack to give you your pulls in this platform so you can use them online.

Note that we are required to ask for your e-mail and offer you a newsletter subscription the first time you buy a pack using your duelist number/card. Each official retailer will have an unique store ID to validate your code. Only official retailers will have this feature to prevent second handshops to make profits with weighted/ altered products.

TLDR: Konami doesn't like second and shops that make profit by cheating the system.
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>>171693580
missus radiant will make the deck great my nigga
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>>171695998
So it's Bakugan all over again huh?
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>>171694982
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>>171695414
>2 level 7
It's literally trash.
Aside from OEM which is now as dead as pendulums, there is literally NO relevant deck which can r7 consistently
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>>171695617
>>171695701
Don't forget to add Quickdraw Synchron so you can do Drill Warrior + Dandy shenanigans. Drill can also escape the extra deck zone on his own.
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>>171695998
That's fucking retarded if true. The Pokemon TCG does this, but they're smart enough to just give you a code for a free online booster pack instead of giving you your exact pulls.
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>tfw only play OEM and RR
>have literally 0 interest in DUSA because of it
I mean, there's some cool looking cards in it, I like a lot of the Synchros but I don't play them so there's no point buying DUSA.
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>>171690550
I think even if it's a couple of years later they will be stronger than GB.
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>>171696269
Dragon Rulers are going to make their return. We still haven't gotten light and dark rulers
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>>171696360
>The Pokemon TCG does this
Wait what, they ask for a number thing? or do you just mean the codes
>>171696194
What happened with bakugan?
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>>171696360
Packs will be dropping in price too. The will be 50USD cents less.

Starter decks will get you the deck in the online platform + 5 promo cards.

>>171696194
No idea what Konami did with that, never sold any of those monster balls
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>banlist is garbage and meta is still the same
>Konami is literally making a botnet from those ID cards.
Is there anything good left in this game now?
There is nothing left to redeem it now.
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>>171696684
I mean codes in RL boosters, decks and promo packs for the online game.
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>>171695739
Supervise lets you use Gigaplant's effect on the turn it is summoned and resummons it from the grave if it leaves the field. The deck focuses on using Supervise and Gigaplant/Lonefire Blossom interactions to swarm the field. People think it'll be decent in the Link format because of Dandylion.
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>>171696194
Wait, did a bakugan scene actually take off at some point in time?
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>>171696684
The codes in booster packs. It also doubles as a countermeasure against scaling, since the online code cards are heavier in packs without foils and lighter in packs with them, so that all packs will weigh the same. No idea what happened regarding Bakugan
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>>171696657
Every time somebody mentions Dragon Rulers returning, they get pushed back to the next list.
>light and dark rulers
Do we really have to explain this again?
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>>171696684
>What happened with bakugan?
After the third season of the show, where people went to a virtual world to fight shit they decided to tie the same thing in by printing codes on the ball monsters, so when you enter that one-time code you gain access to that monster for the website they used.
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>>171696895
I recall there being tourneys and shit, they had a website "to play online" as mentioned here>>171696990

Don't think it ever reached the level of popularity that YGO or Vanguard did though.
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>>171696895
It was popular in my little brother's school when it first came out, but I don't think there was ever a "scene" for Bakugan anywhere on Earth.
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>>171696982
>Do we really have to explain this again?
Explain what again
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>>171697152
>Stalking your brother's balls
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REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>Barrage not banned

I FUCKING SOLD MY BARRAGE FOR FUCKING $40 BECAUSE ASPIE RETARDS FREAKED OUT OVER THE BAN LIST SPECULATION BECAUSE OF THE OCG'S LIST AND THEY FREAKED OVER THE PRICE FOR BUYING IT FROM ME

FUCKING SHIT HELL MAN

I'M FUCKING PISSED THAT I COULD'VE SQUEEZED MORE FOR MY BARRAGE BUT NOOOOOOOOOO

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>171697440
>listening to /dng/
You have only yourself to blame.
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>>171697440
Looks like you're another of those aspie retards that freaked out over the ban list.
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>>171697440
See >>171694558
and >>171695951
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>>171697571
>Slumber, Barrier, Speedroid

Looks like a terminal case of cancer
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>>171697571
best smug
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>>171688539
To be fair, Infinity still has the ATK gain and spot removal over TOADALLY RADICAL DUDE
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>>171697571
Hold on, she stops ANYTHING which interacts with the deck?
They just made even Pot of Greed and Painful Choice absolutely worthless thanks to her existence.
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>>171697571
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>>171697440
>thinking they would ban barrage before they could squeeze out money from Macr
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Holy shit
Are Rescue Cat, Imperial Order et al. still at full power in the TCG? Konami hasn't released a print with the errata that nerf them in TCGland yet.

Or did Konami just pull a "fuck you the effects are different but we're not reprinting anything lel"
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>>171698236
It's likely the latter because nips don't give a shit about us or the TCG in general, only OCG matters. Have fun teaching that poor sod at locals that Brio is only once a turn now.
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>>171697571
Anything that moves cards from the main deck to grave or hand or summons from the main deck. Completely nullifies 99% of meta cards ( which is why i don't understand why they put maxx c to 1)
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oops this >>171698387 was for >>171697850
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>>171698236
Just because the errata is not in print doesn't mean it isn't in effect. They could also unban CED but it's shit so who cares.
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>>171698236
As long as it's updated on the official card database it can come of because that's what they use in tourneys.
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>>171697850
>Pot of Greed
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Broken Pot of Greed
Draw two cards and take 4000 damage
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>>171698387
>>171698524
They really can't be serious.
You mean to tell me that Tour Guide, Scarm, Graff, Sage, Melody, Trade-in, Consonsance, Pot of Desires, Dragon Shrine, Dark Matter, the entire Metalfoes gimmick, Union Hangar, B-Buster Drake, Ixchel, Allure, Dark Contract with the Gate, Foolish Burial, Ratpier, A HERO lives, Netabyss, Abyssmegalo, Pantheism, Tenacity, Grass, Into the Void, Void Feast, Void Imagination, Upstart, Chicken Game, Left Arm Offering and just about anything which even have consistency in this game all dies to her?
WHAT WERE THEY THINKING?
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>>171699225
>WHAT WERE THEY THINKING?
Money.
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>>171699225
They were thinking of money
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>>171699225
Be thankful the 5head is hard OPT so if your deck relies on non hardOPT searching, you might survive.
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>>171699225
It's going to be banned in a few months
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>>171699225
Best loli
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>>171699672
You sure would like that.
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>>171699225
Yes, you make a 1-for-1 trade for the 5head. Oh no! The horror!
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>>171699225
They're going to Shortprint secret rare this one.
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Wait a second Hermos' fusions go to the spell/trap zone. They can ignore Links then right?
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>>171700742
Will she break triple digits?
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>>171700880
She's not even that good
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>>171700962
she single handedly killed 60 card decks
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Leave Future Fusion to me

No, seriously, is still somewhat good in Cyber Dragons. It won't go off most of the time but at least it'll force the opponent to waste something to get rid of it.
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>>171700818
They are special summoned first and then go in s/t zone by their own effect
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>>171701102
Ah that sucks
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>>171701069
You're being too optimistic.
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Links in PRO when?
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>>171685903
>banning kirin

fuck you too
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>>171687880
show me
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Are Invoked a good investment now that Zoos have been neutered?
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>>171701698
>Have been neutered?
What a funny anon, but please, tell me how they have been neutered.
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Since I'm sure this is going to be used a lot
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>>171701698
>Zoos have been neutered
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>>171701698
go for them, I run Invoked, I win against zoo most of the time
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>>171692683
if it can defeat a giga nigga, it's good enough
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>>171694558
who the fuck will even run brionac desu
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>>171699672
>months
>even if they do hit it after that time
i just got back from a break from this game a month ago, and i wanna leave again especially with the whole not otuching paleos and zoos at all.
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>>171702439
No one, but "muh rarity" fags will make the price for the old cards go up.
Pic related
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>>171702439
It's good in Mermails
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This new Links mechanic has got me hype to try Yugioh again so i wanted to know if YGOPRO is still the best Yugioh game to play right now.
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>>171703591
>This new Links mechanic has got me hype
It does nothing to the game.
>if YGOPRO is still the best Yugioh game to play right now.
Yes, but there are no Links yet.
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>>171703801
>It does nothing to the game.
It will fuck up any archetype that would restrict to itself.
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>>171703591
Firewall Dragon has such a more coherent and appealing design than Odd-Eyes.
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>Kirin Banned
While I play Metalfoes, this is a good hit. Shit's way too strong desu.
>Neptune Banned
lel
>Vanity's banned
Good. It should have been banned for years now, dunno why the fuck they haven't touched it until now.
>Maxx "C" limited
I think it should be banned, honestly. It helps shit decks sure but it will always be better in good decks, limiting it doesn't really do much except guarantee that it will be in every single deck now. Literally no downside to ever just run 1 Maxx "C".
>Rescue Cat limit
>Brionac limit
>Brain Control limit
>FuFu limit
Do any of these matter? At all?
>Imperial Order limit
REEEEEEEEE stop this stupid shit Konami this is worse than Vanity's
>Wisdom Eye semi'd
Who cares
>Zoodiac Ratpier semi'd
Should have banned Barrage too. As it stands the deck is still incredibly strong and while it's not as splashable as it was before it'll still be the best deck in the game until the next set comes out at which point it will solidify itself as T0. Fucking retarded Konami.
>Kaiju Slumber semi'd
This hit is alright, I guess. Kaiju Slumber is kind of a dumb card when you think about it.
>Sangan unlimited
Amazing how I can say this change doesn't matter in the slightest. I never thought I'd say that desu. It only took them what 4 years to unban this card?
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>it took TCG 7 months to shit out this turd

So its like a month per change on the ban list right?
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>>171701775
How well can they function without 3 Rat?
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>>171703986
>Maxx "C" limited
>I think it should be banned, honestly. It helps shit decks sure but it will always be better in good decks, limiting it doesn't really do much except guarantee that it will be in every single deck now. Literally no downside to ever just run 1 Maxx "C".

Holy shit
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>>171704124
They just make Dragontits in place of Dragontits and Emeral, and with the next set it doesn't matter because best doggo helps them.
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The only thing I don't like is maxx c going to 1.

It either needs to be 0 or 3.

IMO should be 3. It's one of the few ways to control an opponent when they go first and prevent them from setting up a huge board.
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>>171704124
Well enough, should've hit Drancia to 1.
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>>171704671
This.

It's now literally the ultimate lucksack card like vanites was.
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How long until Future Fusion breaks the game in half?
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>>171704372
It will always be better in the most meta of decks than shit decks who want to try and stop their opponent from playing.

Also I forgot to mention that Kaiser Colosseum is still banned. Have they forgotten about that?
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>>171704813
Never
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>>171700962
shit retards say.
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>barrier not touched

This list really sucks. I f****** hate going turn two only to get hit with it at the start. Literally shuts down plays and ruins anything I can do.

It's going to be even more degenerate with Imperial order back. Imagine going turn two and having someone flip order and barrier on you.

Jesus Konami...
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>>171704813
Unless the game gets more Worm Zero/Tierra/Chimeratech material requirement clones whose archetype that can protect their backrow not likely
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>>171704671
The new handtraps are much better at that, and the best part is that they stop FTK's too, as opposed to Maxx C, which FTK decks didn't give a shit about.
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>>171704825
indeed, fuck handtraps zoodiacs ewe
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>>171705137
Look at it this way, it's going to be in traps are going to come back in a big way.

Maybe we'll see dust tornado in side decks for the first time in years.
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>>171700962
Tell that to OCG players who used to mow their lawn, It's a jungle over there now

>>171704825
>It will always be better in the most meta of decks than shit decks
>Meta decks draw into good cards
>Shit decks draw into shit cards
Gee who didn't see this happening?
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Doesn't this make paleo Tier 1?

It's literally untouched.
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>>171705518
>Tfw traded away a barrage I pulled from a single pack for a full Paleo deck + staples.
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>>171704813
Am I missing something? How is Future Fusion good? Is it because you could potentially get your materials back by the time the Fusion is summoned?
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>>171705518
no, even KoA knows that TCG is retarded for not being able to deal with them
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>>171705325
>Gee who didn't see this happening?
You, since you seem to be disagreeing with me about it.
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>>171685903
Why is konami autistic. I hope you guys don't actually spend money on this game.
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>>171705518
It'll be strong but I don't expect it to basically be tier zero.

It never took off in the ocg because they have harpies feather duster.
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Does no one plays Tags anymore in YGOPRO or what. I can't find players
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>>171705787
Just don't play shit decks.
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>>171705670
>Don't have the blowout card that disincentivises them from their strongest helmet plays
>HURR TCG U SO DUM DUM
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>Barrier and strike still at 3 and toadally awesome untouched

This is a terrible list. There should be no excuse after 7 months of waiting.
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>>171705649
Kintoki is cute.
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>>171705823
I don't, I stopped playing in physical after they delayed the D/D/D Structure Deck, but it's still an asshole move.
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>>171705972
>play tag with cousin
>one guy leaves
>we win
Every single time
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>>171706109
It's a combination of that, and the quick reprints. Just feel like I keep losing money fast. Cards don't hold their value very long anymore

The way they do their banlists. They're being dicks just to be dicks.
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>>171704813
Expect Dragons to somehow make a return at some point in the future when Konami forgets you can just immediately dump 5 of them into the graveyard even if the 5k vanilla never gets summoned.
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>Future fusion is back
>ABC's can now dump all of their shit and get out triple buster dragon on their second turn.
Time to main-deck triple MST+Twin twister.
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>>171705872
I thought it was because they only have one Toad.
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>>171706467
Immediately a turn later, yes
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>>171706632
The toad limit came later and just insured the deck was buried.
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>>171706601
>Second turn
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>>171706389
Yeah, that's why if I played today I would just buy the shit I care and nothing more, but yeah, KoA fucking sucks.
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>>171706772
Future fusion has 1-turn delay right?
Or is there some secret combo I don't know about that lets ABC's shit out triple buster dragon T1?
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>opponent strikes my baboon on-field effect
the best feeling
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>>171706660
Wait, was it errata'd and I never heard about it? Because to my knowledge it can still dump 5 dragons on activation. Whether or not it actually goes off and summons the fusion monster is more or less irrelevant.
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>>171706905
Anon, it is exaclty cause of the 1-turn delay that I posted smug Mayl
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>>171706772
Mairu a cute!
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>>171706854
that's what I do since 3 years, and honestly casual petdeck duels are really fun. But I think my level has downgraded because of how I didn't play in tournament for several years
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>>171707031
Did I phrase my sentence wrong?
Their second turn, I.e they played FF turn 1, then next turn they summon 2 Buster dragon and make me want to kill myself.
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>>171706967
It now has a 1 turn delay for the dump, you dunce!
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>>171707098
*what I've been doing for 3 years
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Quick question, have they decided what the next Shonen Jump promo is going to be?

Last I checked it it looked like apprentice illusion magician was winning.
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>>171707164
It won't reach the second turn with that in field though
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>>171707213
Well how the fuck should I know? It's not like I browse yugioh forums and it's not like it's announced anywhere.
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>>171706967
You play it, it set there until you're next standby THEN you dump
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>>171707396
Because it got reprinted
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>>171707308
I think it's Cyverse Gadget and the small Firewall Dragon.
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>no new "Red-Eyes B. Dragon" artwork for the movie

What were they thinking?
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>>171707839
Because Konami hates Red-eyes, and so does that one Kaiba guy who browses here alot.
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>>171707839
>Red-Eyes
>Getting ANYTHING
kek
Also please stop shitting up the market
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>semi-limited rat
AHAHAHAHAH
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>>171708208
Indeed, KoA it's crazy.
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So now Sangan is free, will we see a new card featuring him getting out of jail?
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>>171708343
there will be a card were he's killed by an doppleganger impostor who replaces him without anybody noticing.
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>>171708476
I'm down for it.
Give a resolution to Sangan's tale.
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>Draw a humanoid alien thing
>Plant type
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Am I the only person who thinks that hitting Kaijus was wrong?

They did nothing wrong, only balanced the broken game Konami completely lost control of.
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Are there any good decks that use Drill Warrior or Jet Warrior?
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>>171708810

FORGOT IMAGE.. SHIT.
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>>171708816
will we ever get cards with the following kind of effects, or is it too strange Ruling-wise ?
"Destroy all monsters ignoring their effects" or a little more situational "Destroy all monsters who cannot be destroyed by card effects"
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Forbidden
>Majespecter Unicorn - Kirin
They really hate Pendulum.
>The Tyrant Neptune
Preventing the memes before it's here, fair enough, mixed feelings though.
>Vanity's Emptiness
About time.

Limited
>Maxx "C"
Double edged, now you're less likely to be stopped, but the same thing can be applied to your opponent. It seems that Konami is trying to sell the other hand trap cards.
>Rescue Cat
To promote link, I guess. Being limited means it won't be that significant.
>Brionac, Dragon of the Ice Barrier
Errata'd.
>Brain Control
Better start buying.
>Future Fusion
Errata'd.
>Imperial Order
Errata'd.

Semi-Limited
>Wisdom-Eye Magician
Unlimit him already.
>Zoodiac Ratpier
Semi playable now.
>Interrupted Kaiju Slumber
Do people run 3 anyway?

Unlimited
>Sangan
Errata'd.
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>>171709123
>Brain Control
Errata'd.
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>>171709123
>Brain Control
>Better start buying.
It is errata'd.
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>>171708990
>Moss
no shit its a plant, it just happens to have tits
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>>171709029
Void Trap Hole is similar, but not exactly the same thing.
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>>171709330
what does the errata says ? I can only find the nip text
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>using the Dimension Dragons as examples for the different ED summons you can do
>when literally only Odd-Eyes will be playable post-Links
Fuck you too Konami
https://youtu.be/EeoT0zfEe-w
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>>171709442
Can only be used on monsters that can be Normal Summoned/Set
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So any chance of exodia being helped out with having Sangaan at 3?
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>>171709415
I guess. But we need something quicker and maybe more specific in order to only target these kind of monsters. Kaijus already are doing the work but it's kinda boring to have to run an "engine" instead of a playset of spells.
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>>171709663
it's shit
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>>171709663
complete trash, fuck Konami. I'ld have prefered for it to remain banned.
I prefer playing a graydle playset.
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>>171709316
>>171709330
Well shit.

>>171709442
Can only target NS/set'd monster.

>>171709123
At least Imperial Order is still good in Dracoslaying.
Brionac is still playable too.
FF is too slow.
Sangan might be useful since it's possible for him to die in your opponent's turn.

So far the only significant hit is the banned Vanity and Kirin, limited Maxx C and Semi'd Rat.
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Holy crap, Maxx c is plummeting in price right now.

I wonder if people are going to shift away from it since it's a hard one now. Especially in 60 card decks.
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If they errata'd Witch of the Black Forest the same way they did to Sangan and unbanned, would you play it?
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>>171709991
They're already doing that in COTD.
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>>171709979
It makes total sense, the market now has a huge glut. Most players don't like to hang onto copies of banned cards.

With the way it has trended up with the last two lists, don't be surprised if it gets a full ban whenever Konami gets around to doing another list.
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>Maxx c to 1.
>When Japan still has it at 3.

Don't be surprised if we see some really divergent metas happen.
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>>171710731
We already have. Paleo never really took off in the ocg thanks to feather duster.

We also have way more board wipes than they do.
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>>171709663
Mind Control stays in my decks.
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Should I buy U.A.? looking for a budget deck
sangan seems to help it
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>>171711360
U.A. is good for sacking wins with jersey
Ttop reprint and invoker reprint also help
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>>171711360
U.A. is hot garbage without forking the cash for Folish Burial Goods

You also need Roid playset plus invoker plus a Super Agent to increase consistency

Also play three rebounder, it's the best UA
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>>171712167
>Super Agent
Explain
>Rebounder at 3
Cloggy as shit my friend.
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>>171685903
>7 months of waiting for another banlist that does fucking nothing
When we said we wanted more consistent banlist we didn't mean consistently fucking awful
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>>171711723
>Ttop reprint
It's getting reprinted?

>>171712353
But Zoodiac is severely weakened, with some other meta hit.
If you expected that something worthwhile would come out, it's your own fault for hoping too high though.
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>>171712167
>U.A. is hot garbage without forking the cash for Folish Burial Goods
It's bad even with 3x burial goods, just slightly less so.
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>>171712641
It's been reprinted. The most recent star pack has it.
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>>171712331
>Super agent
another target for ROTA, also can be specialed by invoker, also can go +1 if you pop a s/t for it, can overlay with midfielder R4, and can also be used for tribute summon

>Rebounder
One of the major problems with UA is being unable to put enough UA names on the board to lockdown/OTK, and rebounder helps with that. It's also useful for recycling UAs in the grave, especially the singletons (Dunker, Blockbacker). It's also surprisingly easy to summon with the abovw mentioned cards plus other shit loke Stormforth
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>>171707049
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>>171689039
Always up for more warrior archetypes. Hopefully they will be better than Heroics, as much as I liked them.
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>>171712953
>another target for ROTA
If you're not searching midfieldfer with ROTA you're better off saving it for later
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>>171714171
They give you three fucking slots for god's sake. That already makes them the best engone regardless of splashability
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Claim your cardfu before someone else does
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>>171712953
I use mithra and landrobe for tribute summoning the 5s and the 6s. Why would you have dunker at 1?
I get what you mean about Super Agent, but U.A.s don't really need to go into the extra much, save for a possible castel.
You also only need two names on field to lock, and one name and jersey to OTK. Blockbacker and Perfect Ace make for the best lock they can put and goalkeeper if you run bad cards and Dunker/Slugger with jersey make for the best OTK and playmaker, which is as bad as goalkeeper, but which I still run.
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>>171714631
One day I will remember how the alphabet works and find the file quicker
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>>171714631
CLAIMED
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>>171714813
Post aromage list.
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>>171714631
MY WAIFU IS A SPECIAL SNOWFLAKE AND I'LL NEVER GET HER.
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>>171714813
claimed
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So how many Kataroost/Cluckle do you run in zoodiacs now? That's the one you can kill to put rats back into the deck
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>>171714631
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>>171714631
O-Ok
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>>171714631
The best.
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>>171714631
>this is the only drawing on pixiv
Guess I get all to myself
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>>171714631
Best doggie
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>>171714873
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>>171714631
2500 points of ass
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So do you guys think that Zoodiacs will continue to tank? Some guy is offering me 140 for 3 barrage with 2 Drident and Broadbull
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>>171716278
That's an OK deal, but in any transaction, always try to pressure the other guy to go lower.
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>maxx c now limited

maybe it is getting a reprint as a common in the new machine structure deck after all.
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>>171716278
Yes, but that sounds like a good deal, try getting it lowered a bit more.
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Are there any good Earth Monsters that can be splashed in most deck? Im trying to think of a replacement for Maxx C in my Invoked WW deck so that I can bring out the Earth Fusion now that some people are going to drop Maxx C.
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>>171717554
Zoodiacs
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>>171717636
Yeah I was thinking of Finally Building Zoodiac Invoked if the prices continue to drop, will see after April first.
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>>171714631
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>>171717554
The earth fusion just has good stats but it's a vanilla
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>>171717824
It was a half joke but the only real reason you run magellancia is to banish your opponents rat from grave.
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>>171718073
I know, it was just convenient to go into when you just needed a body. Also finishing off an opponent with it after they Maxx C is best feeling ever.
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>>171699203
Pay life points in increments of 1000 (max. 2000) draw 1 card for each 1000 life points paid by this effect
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>Opponent plays Maxx C
>Make her deck out by running the manticore loop
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>>171705662
It was a secret tech in Six Samurai decks, that's all I remember the card being good for
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If I summon hieratic sun dragon and my opponent activates drident can I then chain hieratics effect to destroy?
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>>171717554
why would you prioritize magallanica though? way less utility than raideen, merk or even purgatorio
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>>171718737
No, it's not a quick effect.
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Pulled one of these from a pack today. Any idea how much I could sell it for? I know it says a bit under 50$ on the price tracker but is that a realistic price a first time seller like me could get?
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>>171719765
Wait a week to sell, it's gonna go back up in price.
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Toad is up to $55 and increasing
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>>171714631
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>>171719853
Ill trust you anon I just want to make up the 10$ I paid for the packs. But a good profit would be nice.
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>>171720249
Yeah, Zoo was barely lovetapped, Barrage fell due to banlist fear, now it'll go back up, just like Toad.
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>>171720249
>Zoo was barely lovetapped
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>>171716118
>All that stun
>Cactus Bouncer
Yay aromages. Really wish they were more aggro than stun.
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>"Ok guys, since everyone was complaining, we'll take away one of Hitler's bombs so he'll only have two"

>"But to make it fair, we have to take away your guns and replace them with water-guns and pool noodles"

>"What do you mean we were too nice to Hitler? You're just lucky we didn't take away your hats too!"
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>>171705137
RIP rituals
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>>171721059
What?
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Any idea what decks are worth playing brain control in now that its off the list?
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>>171717554
Raccoons for sure.
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>>171722493
Kaijus.
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>>171705137
just run psy-framegear epsilon anon ;^)
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check out my misprint polymerization
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>>171721059
That's not a good comparison because zoodiacs did not do nothing wrong.
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>Apple and Lemon have figurines
>None for Chocolate or Kiwi
:/
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>>171720616
My Aromages deck is full aggro. But sometimes you gotta stall to get enough LP to OTK with Ancient Sacred Wyvern
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>>171714631
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>>171723606
I regularly win games by dealing 13k+ damage in one attack
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doesnt imperial back mean frogs are even stronger now

you cant board wipe them, zoo cant barrage, and they get a free paleo from the grave, hell it makes the mirror even more cancerous since they cant demise
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>>171722709
That is pretty cool if it is a real misprint.
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>>171723953
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>>171724794
I'm stupid I forgot that was a card. I've never seen it used.
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Rare cards???
That sounds vague enough to be the blue eyes white dragon
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>>171723849
Dust tornado ;)
But on a serious note, yep the deck is even more cancer and everybody will just play imperial order over vanity's now... Mostly.
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Is there a way to make a viable fiend based deck in today's current meta?
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>>171725041
You could play BA (Burning Abyss), even though it isn't particularly "Fiend" based they have many fiends and Dante, dodger of the Banned List. The deck can even grind pretty well, Although the hits the deck did receive (TGU,Cir and Graff to 1) made the more fragile. The BA also work with generic Rank 3 spam due to Dante being a burning abyss monster. So cards like Terrortop + Taketemborg, Along with Phantom Knights, make the deck better. With Phantom Knights they could also search some backrow. Though it should be noted that the backrow it searches isn't that great this format.
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I want a SPYRAL and U.A decklist, someone give me one of each
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>>171695570
Plus you can discord more than one card per turn would could be useful in certain decks. I'm going to use on in my Skull Servant deck for sure
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>>171725474
So how would a deck list look like for this?
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Would you hate a player if they ran 3 copies of storming mirror force and quaking mirror force?
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>>171726018
>tfw superheavy sams
Please.
Use all the mirror forces, It'll be funny. Except dark, pls.
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>>171725730
Replace the providences and horns with whatever stun you have available.
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Is Azathoth still worth the trouble of being summoned?
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>>171725963
Well I'm not quite a prolific deck builder myself but I found these decklists

>>PK Build
>>http://yugiohtopdecks.com/deck/6127

>>60-Card Invoked Build
>>http://yugiohtopdecks.com/deck/6148

Both of these are Regional Top 10s so they aren't terrible if you play well. The PK build is an older deck-list however (February 2017).
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"Xyz Dragon" monsters, "Synchro Dragon" monsters, "Fusion Dragon" monsters and "Pendulum Dragon" monsters.

Explain.
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>>171727438
>Different forms of the ace monster.
done.
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>>171727438
ugly
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>>171727438
Konami is dumb.
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>Literally unable to finish a single duel so far on duelingbook

Nice game yugibaobaboons
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>vanity is gone
>oh thank fuck people will no longer be able to build up a board then flip vanity
>imperial order returns

Even with the errata you can just set up then flip it. LP costs are irrelevant no matter how much konami wants to believe so. Even if your opponent manages to stall you so hard that the cost is gonna make you lose, you can still find a way to pop it yourself.
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How do I lunalights
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>>171727438
>rune-eyes pendulum dragon
>isn't Aesir support.
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is duelingbook any decent or should i just stick with ygopro? will it ever become a worthy successor to dn?
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>>171728462
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>>171728370
The real reason it was banned was because the paying LP was optional. You could stun your opponent for no LP cost at all.
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>>171728462
Summon chick dump butterfly then SS the second luna (if its another chick, dump Fox) R4NK into bullhorn, search then overlay any zoodiac except drancia then overlay bullhorn search another card and then its Drancia. =[ In the brickiest of bricks, you want Black sheep and Tiger most of the time but this is just the "2 card combo" example, if the other 3 cards you opened are decent backrow or any of the cards you typically search, or in simple terms, good cards, you can search wolves or anything else with bullhorn. ]= Then dump sheep get poly, tiger brings back sheep, drancia pops tiger, summon chick, chick dumps wolf, poly into cat dancer, sheep gives you tiger and chick gives you poly back to the hand, then tiger brings back the sheep again, poly into dragostapelia and then sheep gets wolf back, then you use wolf to summon Panther, and since you have Fox in the grave, castel-likes won't be a problem at all and on Turn 3 if your opponent is hiding behind some backrow, you can always pop that shit or be a memer and use white rabbit to bounce everything back to the hand, just an example and on turn 3 you use EXTRA THICK Leo Dancer to swing for game.

If you open two of any of these cards, it becomes the flowchart above.

Kaleido chick, any lv 4 luna, black sheep, tiger, perfume, foolish guds, perfume and Tenki. Foolish burial might be also gud.

The helmet part of this playstyle is that you rely 100% on your opponent not having floodgates like DIMENSIONAL BARRIER, you not bricking and its always the same playstyle over and over it doesn't matter the outcome, you always do the flow chart above.

Just play anything else.
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>>171728462
In TCG float blue cat/tiger until you either
1). pull a fusion tag
2). have enough resources to jam out ideally leo dancer, at minimum panther dancer.

Black sheep is your best friend for that card advantage.
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>>171714631
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>>171729648
it was because you could turn it off at will
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>>171729648
You should probably go post in a YGO thread on /v/, you would fit better there.
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>>171729829
and looking back to this post, wow that's a fuckton of words.

Just abuse bullhorn's lack of OPT and not getting hit by neither banlist and you have something playable.
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>>171728370
Basically in the good old days, you'd just grip an MST and not use it until your opponent Imperials, then you slam that shit down. It's made a great deal worse, since you can't turn it off, unless you're being a shitlord and running stun.
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>>171729970
I respect nice TCG breasts
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>>171730063
I don't quite understand, anon.
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>>171729872
If it helps in the TCG, while its slow as shit, Supply Unit and Generaton Shift can work, then again, we're talking TCG Lunas, they're slow until they get Kaleido chick and even with zoodiacs they don't get into bullhorn and the fusions as fast without the chick, fun petdeck irregardless.
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>>171729648
>>171730250

LP is worthless, especially for an effect that stops your opponent from doing anything.
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>>171729970
She's pretty cute, is she playable?
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Which will be the "Rank 4" of Links?
Link 2?
Link 3?
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>>171732606
So-so. her main use is destruction fodder to get the earth True King on the field AND a free subterror, but you can just ram her into shit to get a special summon too.
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Do you guys think there's a way of incorporating AFD in to current link combos to make even more degenerate boards, or would it be too inconsistent?
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>>171731720
You misunderstand.
The LP payment wasn't forced, meaning you could flip it up during your opponent's turn, fuck them over if they didn't have MST RIGHT THEN, and then when it got to your standby, you'd not pay the LP and continue on with your spells. Now the payment isn't optional, so you can't stun your opponent without stunning yourself.
You should get better at reading, anon.
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>>171729829
got any ratios friendo?
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>>171732915
>You could stun your opponent for no LP cost at all
Not him, but you are the one wrong here.
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>>171732915

>Now the payment isn't optional, so you can't stun your opponent without stunning yourself.

and that doesn't matter if you're already set up
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>>171732990
Tell me then, how would you use pre-errata imperial order?
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>>171727438
HITOTSU
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https://ygorganization.com/ekisotorarinkuexclamationpoint/
>Can grab both EMZs by chaining link monsters
Fug
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>>171732946
I have this decklist but its shit for obvious reasons, the main shit is just 3 chicks, 3 sheep, 3 tiger, 3 wolf, 2 butterfly, 3 perfume, 3 foolish of belongings and no fusion substitute because the aforementioned flowchart already kills the fusion substitute target, also it only fuses on the field which sucks sometimes, obvious tenki at 3 is obvious and since you focus more on fusion summoning, you could run Grisaille prison instead of dickmensional barrier.
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>>171733198
You are the one who should get better at writing.
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>>171733284
Holy fucking shit forward links are so broken.
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>>171733284
What the hell?
Summon a Link monster with ↘ arrow in your EMZ
Summon a Link monster with ↗ arrow in your Linked Zone
Summon whatever in the other EMZ.
Konami is pretending that you need 5 monsters and it's a lot of investment, but you only need 3, and it's not even hard given enough Link cards.
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>>171733284
Konami is trying to kill this game aren't they?
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>>171733680
It needs to be mutally linked, so you'd need 4 for both NW and NE in the MMZ, so don't expect a NW/NE link monster any time soon.
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>>171733680
You'd need a 79 in the MMZ
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>>171733284
>Stealing your opponents EMZ
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>>171733284
HAHAHHAHAHAHAHA, this is the true power of combo decks, to use SEVEN MONSTER ZONES, holy shit I'm hard already.
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Secret Tech

http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Wave_of_Ill_Intent
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>>171733680
I think you need link to mutual link to your opponent's monster in their extra zone first since it belongs to them first, then you can use their monster as material.
Am I getting this right?
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>>171734168
You need to mutual link all the way around. Doesn't matter which side.
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So if A>B>C, then is B considered mutual linked?
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>>171734302
No
It has to be A><B><C for B to be mutually linked to both. A><B is a mutual link, but B>C isn't.
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>>171734302
Mutual Link means Link A points at Link B AND Link B points at Link A.
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>>171733545
$$$$$$$$GEEEEE I WONDER WHY$$$$$$$$$

BUY LINKS (TM)
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Another thing anons were arguing about links other day.
They said if you have A>B>C, then C is linked to A too.
Does this proceed, or is it just a rumor?
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>reading up on links and become absolutely repulsed
>strongly considering dumping this game for good
>just want to go back to synchro era without R4s
>mfw I realize I'm now the nostalgiafag.
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>>171734480
It sounds fun to me. I think now is the time for them to step up, and introduce more sanctioned formats though. This is a big enough change in playstyle to justify it.
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>>171734480
I met someone who unironically wants to return to the Dragon Ruler format, i think that's as low as one can get
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>>171734480
So if you believe anything but the current YGO is the best YGO, you're a nostalgiafag?

Konami shills, do not answer
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>>171734459
A B and C need to all be mutually linked like so: A><B><C
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>>171734715
I'm not asking about how to use the other EMZ.
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>>171734823
A is not linked to C unless the link goes from A to C and back
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>>171734715
He's asking if Decode Talker is A, can you tribute C for its effect?
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>>171734669
Every Era has its ups and downs. You may like some more than others. Although you could make a case for GX being objectively the worse since so much released during that time was just plain bad. To me though a Nostalgiafag is someone who just irrationally shuns anything that is different from their time with the game. Think the people who complain about Planeswalkers in MtG.
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>>171734874
So if they are all mutually linked, then A and C are in fact linked with each other?
Did Konami actually ruled this?
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>Magical Hats can't be used with monsters in the EDMZ
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A friend gave me a full subterror deck. I've been interested in playing subterror for a while. I know they're not in the best spot right now, but at least they are "fun", right?
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>link spam can literally prevent your opponent from playing any extra deck monsters at all

so this...is the power...of komoney....
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Old player that hasn't played since ~2013 when D Rulers were shitting everything up. Just saw the list and I gotta ask if a bunch of cards got errata'd, but cause I'm seeing this shit
>RESCUE CAT
>BRIONAC, DRAGON OF THE ICE BARRIER
>BRAIN CONTROL
>FUTURE FUSION
>IMPERIAL ORDER
>SANGAN
Get unbanned. Or is the game just THAT toxic now that Imperial Order isn't as broken?
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>>171736192
yes, everything was errata'd
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>>171736192
Imperial Order is the only one of those that is still a TOTAL BITCH to see. Brionac is one of the best Synchros of it's level still, but it competes for a spot with a tuner that has an arguably better effect.
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>>171736115
What's stopping you from playing a Raigeki?
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>>171736386
Sounds like you have no problem bringing Domain Monarchs back to full power again. What's stopping you from using MST? ;^)
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>>171736386
i'm sure we'll see link titanic galaxy eventually

of course there are maindecked ways to break a link extra zone lock, but combo-based decks with minimal removal (rip synchrocentric) will basically have to scoop unless you give them a free zone to work with, which you don't have to do if you link things correctly
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>>171733284
>Spam 3 Firewall Dragons with the Lonefire combo all the way to your opponent's EMZ
>Set Imperial Order
>Links slowed down the game :^)

Nice game Yugibaobaboons
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>>171736551
>links slowed down the game
Considering before your opponent would have been able to respond with another combo of equal or greater length before but now they can't even play the game, yes, they have slowed down the game.
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>>171736192
Yes, they were all errata'd. https://ygorganization.com/andamerryrescuecatmas/ Remember to check in on the Org.
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>steal opponent's EMZ
>flip imperial order

oh god it's laggia set 4 all over again
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>https://ygorganization.com/timetotesthespinslash/
>darkness approaches got an errata
>no more face-down attack position
Links ruined the game.
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>Darkness Approaches now says “Change that monster to face-down Defense Position”, finally ending the age-old hilarity of face-down Attack Position.

>It's a worse Book of Moon now.
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>>171737226
>>171737258
LINKS IS A MISTAKE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>171732620
2
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So is there actually going to be a mass exodus or are we still chained to this? I'm fucking out, but what's the overall reaction? I know stores threatened to stop buying products in nipland last I heard.
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>>171733284
PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

The game is kill

This time for real
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>>171736741
Makes sense now. Side note, GKs get made even better because of that Necro errata, so I can piss off my friends even more.
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>>171737778
>I'm fucking out
sure you are buddy
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>tfw you become a staple
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-A Pendulum Monster placed in the Pendulum Zone is not treated as a monster, by rather as a Spell Card, and also as a card in the Spell & Trap Zone.
EX: A card in the Pendulum Zone is still treated as a card in the Spell & Trap Zone, so “D/D/D Dragonbane King Beowulf’s” effect of “Destroy all cards in the Spell & Trap Zones” can destroy them.

THEY CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS, THEY CAN'T JUST RETCON PENDULUMS THIS HARD!!!!
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>>171738397
>so “D/D/D Dragonbane King Beowulf’s” effect of “Destroy all cards in the Spell & Trap Zones” can destroy them.
because you're ever going to get him out under the new rules, right
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>>171737778

> I know stores threatened to stop buying products in nipland last I heard.

Woah, really? Got a source? Would Konami really get rid of the new rules because of this?
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>links literally can Domain lock through game mechanics
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lmao just Sphere Mode it you niggers
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So I'm new to yugioh, and have taken a liking to cyber dragons in the meta but they seem kinda shit. I can't beat spyrals with them too.
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So, all these link shit is just a nightmare we'll wake up from, right? Like a week from now Konami will say "jk lol" and pretend the new rules never happened.
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I liked links until this. Now it's just a rush to domain lock first
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>>171738798
maybe, if the sales tank hard enough
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>>171733284
That Jeff Jones 2-card combo just got a LOT stronger
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>tfw you get locked out of your extra deck turn 1
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>Links revealed
Ok cool, can't wait to play them
>Rules changes revealed
Well fuck, this is a huge turn off because it kills so many deck and forces others to use Links.
Still willing to try them
>Revealed that you can lock your opponent from their extra deck with just links
It's ogre
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>>171738521
Worst part is that Kaijus won't even save you if they've managed to occupy every monster zone
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code blue
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>>171739137
Why not?
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>>171739165
You've still lost your only EMZ
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>>171739154
>During your standby phase, shuffle your deck
Holy shit!
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>>171739124

I like links. A mechanic that makes placement important for certain decks is cool.

The rule changes are fucking horrible. I'm almost considering just quitting. Konami should keep links but get rid of the awful rule changes. I don't want to be forced to summon a link monster first if I want to play with an extra deck.
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>>171739165
In order to summon from the extra deck you need to use an extra deck zone, so you would want to tribute a monster in the extra deck zone. The problem is that Kaijus can't go to the Extra monster zone, only the main monster zone, and if all of your opponent's main monster zones are occupied that means you can only tribute a monster in the main monster zone due to lack of space.
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>>171739154
MECHA
PHANTOM
BEASTS

T O K E N S
O
K
E
N
S

Right? That's a MPB right?
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>>171739154
Eisei Kidou Heiki Hydlander / Hydlander the Orbital Shadowlite Weapon
Level 8 DARK Machine-Type {Special Summon} Effect Monster
ATK 3000
DEF 1500
Cannot be Normal Summoned/Set. Must be Special Summoned (from your hand), while you have 5 or more monsters with different names in your Graveyard, and cannot be Special Summoned by other ways.
(1) Once per turn, during either player’s turn: You can send the top 3 cards of your Deck to the Graveyard; if every monster in your Graveyard has a different name, destroy 1 card on the field.
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>>171739124
>>171739327

Realistically, is there ANY chance of the new rules being done away with? I imagine they've already put so much money into it that they can't really back out now.
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>>171739154
Eisei Kidou Heiki Hydlander / Hydlander the Orbital Shadowlite Weapon
Level 8 DARK Machine-Type {Special Summon} Effect Monster
ATK 3000
DEF 1500
Cannot be Normal Summoned/Set. Must be Special Summoned (from your hand), while you have 5 or more monsters with different names in your Graveyard, and cannot be Special Summoned by other ways.
(1) Once per turn, during either player’s turn: You can send the top 3 cards of your Deck to the Graveyard; if every monster in your Graveyard has a different name, destroy 1 card on the field.
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>>171739390
>literally highlander
I see your memes, Konami.
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>>171739154
Is this the Rival's ace ?
>>
What the fuck is wrong with Konami?
>>
Highlander format confirmed
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>implying zoodiacs are dead
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0o4Wzws8Yck
You do need to run trash cards like ram and Zephy though.
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>>171739561
No, it's slot 35, it can't be an anime card.
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>>171739584

>no extra deck
>highlander only
>final destination
>>
>https://ygorganization.com/timetotesthespinslash/
>Darkness Approaches now says “Change that monster to face-down Defense Position”,
WHY THE FUCK IS NOBODY TALKING ABOUT THIS
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>>171739916
because ded gaem
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>>171739916
Because things that will actually affect the game are more important than memes.
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>>171740026
That was the only card that could flip Links you jackass.
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Where were you when you found out Yu-Gi-Oh! was kill?
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>>171740071
Would you actually play a -2 spell card just to flip a link face-down? Seriously?
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>>171740142
>what are Fableds
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>>171739916
I refuse
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>>171740202
>playing Fableds
Anon please.
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>>171740337
Literally the perfect counter to link degeneracy, at least until this errata.
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>>171733852
Fuck this shit. For the first time ever I'll be one of these douche making "NO LINKS" YGOPRO Rooms.
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>>171732620
Link 1 and 2.
Discuss pic related and kill yourself with me.
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>>171691035
guys, my uncle works at Konami.
Cyber Jar to 3
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>>171739406
They could change the rules but not the cards.
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Thread theme: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2X_2IdybTV0
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>>171740497
>For the first time ever I'll be one of these douche making "NO LINKS" YGOPRO Rooms.

Where did it all go so wrong, bros?
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>>171740775
Because FLIP effects will now only work if the flipped monster was in a linked zone, BUY LINKS GOYS!
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>>171740821

That's fine.
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>>171740681
That won't happen for a couple of years. They want to sell as many Links as possible so they won't make Extra Links possible with the minimum number of links at first. Also, think of how shit a 79 Link is by itself.
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>rule changes happens in 3 days for the ocg

What's going to happen? Huge shitstorm? Or will everyone just accept it and move on?
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>>171741084
It´ll happen quickly especially because they want to sell them.
First they sell the "shit" ones; next we'll have a full link Overpowered archetype and then the cancer will spread.
Also, it doesn't have to be ONLY a 79.
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>>171741157
Japs played 6 months of EmEm and 6 months of Zoos

They'll literally play any shit Konami throws at them
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Can cyber dragons beat spyrals
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Can Dark Magicians beat anything?
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>>171741247
Also, we'll probably get effect such as "target 1 link-2 monster, it becomes a link-3 monster and chose a new link marker for it" or "Target 1 "Firewall Dragon" on the field: Its link markers are all active. Destroy it during the end phase"
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>>171741157
I didn't care until now, but I now genuinely hope for the worst right now.

Building a floodgate directly into a mechanic is genuinely the absolute worst thing that has ever happened to the game, and I do not say that lightly.
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Can anything beat Cloudians?
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>>171691035
>>Brain control (errata; The monster can't attack or be used as Synchro material)
It's fucking useless now already.
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>>171741247
>Also, it doesn't have to be ONLY a 79.
To Complete a 3-card Extra Link you need a 1, a 79, and a 3. No exceptions.

I don't think they'll release a 79 in the first 3 sets. It would be wise to pick up and diagonals though.
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From /a/
Sums up how I feel
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>>171741453
What i'm saying is that it doesn't have to only be a 79. It can have more markers.
I was answering the anon saying a 79 would be shit by himself.
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>>171741486
only the most delusional yugibaobaboons are ok with mechanic
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>>171741526
They won't release any monster with 79+ markers in the 1st three sets.
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>>171741579
I'm not quite sure about that. They might do an Archetype-exclusive one à la Qliphort.
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1 extra deck monster at a time unless you have a link is fucking retarded and I can't believe it took a floodgate for people to realize how fucking dumb the rule changes are.
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>>171741649
>Any non-"archetype" monsters in this card's Link Zones are destroyed.
Still no. Even if you make the materials specific (engines) and give it a debilitating effect (skill drain) it would still be too good. Maybe a Link 7.
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>>171741891
People knew it was dumb before
This though is a whole new level
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Eisei Kidou Heiki Hydlander / Hydralander the Orbital Shadowlite Weapon
Level 8 DARK Machine-Type {Special Summon} Effect Monster
ATK 3000
DEF 1500
Cannot be Normal Summoned/Set.
Must be Special Summoned (from your hand) while 5 or more monsters are in your Graveyard and all monsters in your Graveyard have different names, and cannot be Special Summoned by other ways.
(1) Once per turn, during either player’s turn: You can send the top 3 cards of your Deck to the Graveyard; if all monsters in your Graveyard have different names, destroy 1 card on the field.
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>>171733284
I don't have an image good enough to convey my anger at this. I've looked at my entire reaction image folder, and none of my angry images are good enough.

I can't even convey properly in words just how furious I am
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>>171742023
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>>171741896
I still think it'll happen quickly.
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>>171742010
Highlander: the Card.
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So when do these new rules hit?
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Buy Blasting Fuse
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Lmao noone will ever manage to link both zones, you guys are overreacting
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>>171742207

For Japland, the 25th. For TCG, July 21st.
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>>171742294
Kek
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>>171742302
Hm. So how long until Pro gets updated?
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>>171742312
What, am I wrong?
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>You can take both link zones and lock out your opponent from the extra deck.

This kills even more decks and is going to lead to so much salt.

Some decks will be able to adapt well. Dark Magician continues to get buffed by the link system Holy Shit.
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>>171742294
You're an idiot
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>>171742372
You're as wrong as I'm stupid for being a Tripfag.
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>>171742401
We are back to pre-DUEA now. Mirror Force, Dark Hole and Torrential are now needed to play the game
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>>171714631
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I must have screwed this up somewhere, I really doubt it's this easy to get both zones, even if it is with spiders.

>start with lonefire, ferret/rescue searcher and any monster
>normal summon lonefire
>lonefire eff on lonefire, summon ophrys
>ophrys eff, discard monster to summon darling
>darling eff, search brilliant fusion
>xyz summon invoker with ophrys and darling (EMZ above 4)
>invoker eff, summon thousand blades
>link summon missus radiant with invoker and thousand blades
>activate brilliant fusion, send a normal gem-knight and trick clown for seraphinite
>trick clown eff, summon itself back, burn for 1000
>thousand blades eff, summon itself back
>normal summon ferret with seraphinite eff
>link summon decode talker with seraphinite and missus radiant
>ferret eff, summon dandylion and graff
>overlay graff and dandylion for invoker (MMZ 5)
>detach graff from invoker, summon thousand blades
>graff eff, summon cir
>cir eff, destroys self, cir eff summon graff
>link summon gaia with trick clown, graff and thousand blades (MMZ 3)
>link summon firewall dragon with decode talker and invoker (MMZ 4)
>dandylion eff, summon 2 fluff tokens
>link summon link spider (EMZ above 4)
>firewall dragon eff, grab back lonefire and dandy
>link summon firewall dragon with gaia and fluff token (MMZ 3)
>firewall dragon eff, summon lonefire
>lonefire eff on lonefire, summon GUB
>firewall dragon eff, summon dandy
>synchro summon for naturia beast with GUB and thousand blades (MMZ 5)
>GUB eff, summon GUB from grave
>link summon decode talker with GUB, dandylion and link spider (EMZ above 4)
>dandylion eff, summon 2 fluff tokens
>link summon firewall dragon with fluff token and decode talker (MMZ 2)
>firewall dragon eff, add back normal gem-knight sent with brilliant fusion
>link summon link spider with fluff token (EMZ above 4)
>link spider OR firewall dragon eff, summon normal gem-knight from hand
>link summon link spider with normal gem-knight (EMZ above 2)
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>>171742294
t. Konami
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>>171742459
Can't wait for "cannot be targeted" and "cannot be destroyed" Links.
Anyway I'm curious about what'll happen:

If Mass destructions cards are back won't non-Extra Deck decks like Noids and Kozmo be played which in return will make mass destructions card disappeared because of how protected these cards are ? We might end up in a loop or a Side Decking heavy meta.
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>>171727438
>The evolved form of the Pendulum ace is all fusions
>not even a single Pendulum evolved form for Odd-Eyes
topkek
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>>171742591
>Can't wait for "cannot be targeted" and "cannot be destroyed" Links.

Honeybot.
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>>171742598
Well, yeah, how would you even evolve a Pendulum?
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>>171742675
Fuck you're right. It's already fucking cancer and it'll only get worse.
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>>171742591
We just need 3 days to see those decks returning since links arrive in ocg day 25

Then we will need a week for link cucking to hapoen
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Best decks post links
1. True Draco
2. Dinosaur
3. Kozmo
4. Infernoids
5. Blue-eyes
6. Darklords
7. Dark Magician
8. Herald of Perfection turbo
9. Monarchs
10. Some kind of stun/burn meme decks
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>-A Pendulum Monster placed in the Pendulum Zone is not treated as a monster, by rather as a Spell Card, and also as a card in the Spell & Trap Zone.
>EX: A card in the Pendulum Zone is still treated as a card in the Spell & Trap Zone, so “D/D/D Dragonbane King Beowulf’s” effect of “Destroy all cards in the Spell & Trap Zones” can destroy them.
This is ridiculous. Why not just make all pendulums illegal and stop printing them forever?
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>>171742917
They're really suffering from PePTSD.
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>>171742917
Truth to be told, Im all up for that. Pendulum zone was a dumb concept for monsters that are half-spells
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PILICA
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PePe just went from best deck of all time to a rogue deck under these new rules.
Pendulums are dead, there is just no coming back from this.
RIP Metalfoes, you really didn't live into 2017 after all.
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>>171742917
Are there any other cards aside from Beowulf that can now affect Pendulum cards that couldn't do it before?
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>>171743090
Everything that affect "cards in the spell and trap zones"
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>>171742510
How does Graff stay on board after Cir revival?
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>>171743021
Be that as it may. There is really no reason to nerf pendulums a million different ways all at the same time.
They're really overdoing it.

>They'll get fewer S/T zones if you're playing pendulums
>They're now subject to anti-S/T cards in addition to anti-pendulum cards
>They can no longer pendulum summon all of their spent pendulums, which the cards and mechanic was designed around, leaving them flat on their face without said ability
Pendulums are simply super dead. More dead than dead.
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>>171742917
>blows up his own scales
lmao
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>>171743220
Fuck, you're right. I thought it negated the effect, my bad. The combo would still work in the OCG with the 2 dandy and meliae combo instead, I'll have to keep looking for a way to get that part to work in the TCG.
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And more Yugitubing bull after Konami took down one of Cap's videos.
This Konami needs Kojima back.
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>>171743136
Like for example?
>>
>makes a mechanic that completely makes useless and almost unplayable the previous implemented mechanic, and said old mechanic was proved to be OK, not overpowered, unless some OP cards would make it OP, but that's true for any ED mechanic.
>Pendulum Mechanic is unusable because of new mechanic
>Even more dead with new bullshit rules (I mean, including the pendulum zones in the S/T zones was good, but the Pendulum zone needed to stay a Pendulum zone, not a S/T zone, and that's bullshit)
>New mechanic must be played to play around ED mechanics at all
>New said mechanic CAN LOCK YOUR OPPONENT from ED

I thought this was bad, but holy shit, this is dogcrap. Konami made their game ALSOLUTE SHIT. WHY ?
What is the point of a game if you can't even play ?

And what's the point of making a new mechanic that can LOCK YOUR OPPONENT and make the previous mechanic useless ?
Why not make Pendulums illegal at that point ? Since they like to throw in the trash good and fun mechanics just to shill their new shit.
Yes, Pendulum was fun before Link era.
And now, Pendulum is useless. Useless cards are flowing. The new mechanic can literally BREAK the game in a BAD WAY.

Holy fuck. Let's hope they'll emergency errata some of those new rules to make people at least play a little. Now the game is :
- Play first
- Win turn 1
It's literally FTKs the game now. And people will defend this even if lots of said people are against FTKs. Fuck this. Hypocrites.
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>>171743693

>tfw can no longer play retarded synchro combo decks
>can no longer use the extra deck without using links
>fun is over and there's nothing you can do about it
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>>171742510
Swapping Graff for Edge Imp Sabres and summoning it from the grave after detaching it from Invoker should make this combo TCG legal, though it does require you to have a card in your hand, so instead of being a 3 card combo it's 4 cards with the 4th being anything.
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>>171743670
>check for examples
>Escher is now a lvl 4 WATER that can summon itself if they have full pendulums
Mildly funny
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>Link masturbation will be the future
>There were anons who unironically thought that the game would slow down and be "healthy"
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>Dimensional Barrier is STILL at 3
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What do the nips think of the new rules and links?
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>>171743983
You can probably find some way to make a synchro-link hybrid masturbation deck work. It might take more link monsters though.
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So what's getting banned come Links? Honeybot? Firewall Dragon? Spider? BriFu? Cobra? Invoker?
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>>171744856
Infernoids
Can't have people playing decks that don't you Links, after all.
>>
I've been pretty cool with the Link Rules up until this point. But this "Extra Link" crap just sounds absolutely horrid.
I figured the rule about the unoccupied EMZ automatically going to your opponent, was to prevent that kind of bullshit. But it seems I was wrong.
>>
Why not just create and market another card game if they want a reset this badly, after all these many changes? I know selling with the name brand is more profitable than investing in another TCG but this risks alienating your established consumer base just to tighten your jewgrip harder.
I don't think fresh new blood is suddenly going to pick up ygo over Links if they weren't interested in the game before.
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>>171744528
>doesn't stop links
This shilling is ten times worse than BUY DARK WINGED-BEASTS
>>
>>171742294
>>171742294
I can literally empty my extra deck and make triple firewall dragon plus other scary cards with like 4 different engines right now

I could most likely Extra Link after the second or third set.
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>>171744856
Cobra has to get banned.
It's too degenerate
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I am noticing that the wiki updated their Honeybot (and other Link) translations to read
>Neither player can target monsters linked to this card with card effects, also those monsters cannot be destroyed by battle.
from
>Neither player can target monsters in this card's Linked Zone with card effects, also those monsters cannot be destroyed by battle.
Does that mean that if say, Link Spider or something with a downwards arrow is above Honeybot, Honeybot will protect Link Spider even if she herself doesn't point to it?
>>
My pet deck was playable and could performed well against the meta (unless I brick), but that'll be over with the Link Era and those new rules. I'll just play pure Kaijus.

My pet deck was based a lot on Pendulums, but it'll be useless soon. Time to play Kaijus (be it pure or any variant that doesn't rely too much on ED).
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>>171745356
Yes, meaning it's even more powerful. Holy moly.
>>
Make your predictions now.
Will the final game at the next Worlds event, be decided by an Extra Link?

http://www.strawpoll.me/12583481
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I don't get it, wwhat's so special about links
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>>171745569
You don't get to use more than 1 monster from your extra deck if you don't use Links.
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>>171744550

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&u=http://karma.2ch.net/yugioh/&prev=search

>Yu-Gi-Oh retire.
>It's a good time to move to Vanguard

>Yu-Gi-Oh ends.
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So I am not entirely sure whether or not I understand mutual links.

In this scenario. Are the honeybots linked with each other?
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>>171745542
I'm not voting yes because we'll have better Links and Link focused archetypes by then.
I'm voting yes just because that'd be hilarious
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>>171745542
Links won't be legal. TCG won't get them in time for it this year.
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>>171742294
Jeff Jones can do it right now.
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>>171745778
What card is this!? What does it do!?
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So Links saved us from the horrible Pendulum Summoning that almost ruined the game?
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>>171742294
Jeff Jones is working on it right now. With his Firewall Combos, he could almost do it, and that's with a 2 card combo going -0.
Give him some time, and maybe a few new Links, and he'll do it.
The game is broken rule-wise, accept it.
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>>171745662

>The end of this Yu-Gi-Oh!
>Because Yu-Gi-Oh retires, I will sell them all
>Yu-Gi-Oh the situation is completely down

Holy fuck.
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>>171745905
Kery?
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>>171745930
>With his Firewall Combos
Because no one else in the world thought of it. It was all him.
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>>171745713
They are Linked but they are not MUTUALLY Linked with EACH OTHER but ARE each Mutally Linked with Gaia.
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>>171745908
>Pendulum Summoning
>horrible
>when Xyz is capable of doing more than Pends with less effort
topkek

>>171745984
Attribution to Jeff Jones is a meme anon. Jap overlords will find the combos before him.
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>>171745905
It's just a very poor image of Holy Angel.
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>>171745778
Is that Link Slayer next to Aurum or a new card? And what about between Angel and the Gouki
>>
>No Synchros any more are banned
>Omega didn't get hit
>Level Eater didn't get hit
>Dark Synchro didn't get hit
>Rescue Cat is back
>Brain Control is back
>Speedroid didn't get hit
When will the "Konami hates Synchros" meme die?
>>
So is there any reason to ever not go first now? You always want to go first with Links.
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>>171746050
So it's safe to assume that they wouldn't benefit from each others' effects in that scenario?
The thing that kept confusing me was how the text keeps speaking of the two extra deck monsters in the initial EMZs as connected when under an Extra Link. So I really wonder if that means that they're actually Linked and benefit from each others' link effects too or not.
I'd assume no since I am assuming they would explicitly mention such a function. But the language they're using still confuses me.
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>>171746308
No Synchros now, only Links. >>171746308
F
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>>171746308
You synchronizing still, bro? Why not get on the Link wave. They're like Synchros, but better. You should totally buy Links, my dude.
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>>171746308
If you want to win,anon. You're not gonna waste your extra deck space on synchro monsters, you're gonna fill it up with as many links as you can to stop your opponent from being able to fight back, Links might actually be the method that makes Utopia Lighting not worth using anymore
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>>171746286
>And what about between Angel and the Gouki
That's this crap card
>Once per turn: You can target 1 Attack Position monster your opponent controls; change it to Defense Position, and if you do, for the rest of this turn, monsters you control cannot attack, except to attack that monster, also if a Cyverse-Type monster you control attacks a Defense Position monster, inflict piercing battle damage to your opponent.
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>>171746286
And the card next to Aurum is Twilight Jain.
>Once per turn: You can banish 1 "Lightsworn" monster from your hand or Graveyard, then target 1 face-up monster on the field; it loses ATK and DEF equal to the banished monster's Level x 300, until the end of this turn. Once per turn, if another of your "Lightsworn" monsters activates its effect: Send the top 2 cards of your Deck to the Graveyard.
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>>171746308
if they dont increase the Extradeck size im literally going to quit the game, since synchro would become unplayable
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Any word on if Pendulums can be used as link material?
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>>171746664
It's confirmed yes.
Just like you can with Synchro.
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If you say shit like "I'm literally going to quit the game" first of all you're a liar because you probably said that when xyz pendulums syncs came out and second nobody gives a fuck anyway.
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>>171733545
>Holy fucking shit forward links are so broken.
What makes Forward Links so special?
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>>171746727
But I didn't say that when xyz pendulums syncs came out
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So how is link material different from Tribute Summoning? You need to put 3 monsters from your field into the graveyard to get a link 3 monster
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>>171746727
How else would they be able to seek attention?
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>>171746727
>first of all you're a liar because you probably said that when xyz pendulums syncs came out
I've never once said it before today.
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Don't cry for me, I am beyond dead
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>>171746808
It's a special summon AND you don't need to draw the link monster cos it's in the extra deck to be accessed at any time

so instead of needing to draw 2 cards to summon a level 5/6 monster (the one to tribute summon and the one to tribute) you only need to draw one monster to summon a link one monster

TL;DR it's easier to do because you rely less on drawing them by chance, and it usually happens faster cos you don't need to save your normal summon to link summon
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Here is how a full duel will go exactly one year from now.
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>>171746727
No I pretty distinctly remember being interested in Pendulums. Appropriately enough it was because, unlike Links, Pendulums actually seemed like they could help older decks a bit with the idea of generic pendulums
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>>171746727
When pends were coming out I don't remember anyone saying that on /dng/. A lot of people were excited and hoped that pends would help out their tier 100 pet decks.
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>>171746727
People were excited for Pends to help all kind of decks, except 2~3 shitters.
And now it's ded.
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>>171747346
Pends didn't help lower tier decks, they were really only used in their own decks ever
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>>171746808
In the link era, the main deck will be filled with cards that can be special summoned and revived, effectily creating a loop to the point where you can eventually fill your entire six slots with Link monsters, using Synchro,Fusion,Xyz or Pendulum monsters will disrupt that flow since they're all lacking link zones to allow you to keep up the combo, think about it, six monster zones filled with link monsters all packing ridiculous buffs and effects, How can you win against that when a field like that can completely block you from countering with your own extra deck smmons and some of those link monsters have effects like "All monsters linked to this monster cannot be affected by your opponents cards".

They've built in the same mastrubory turns pendulum and synchros do but 100 times worse.
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Let's make a highlander.dek!
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>>171747431
I said that people were excited for it to happen, not that it actually happened.
Although I made a pet deck around some pendulums that can deal with meta if I don't brick.
Okay, some might find it not really efficient but I don't care, my win/lose ratio is at 50/50 with it, and that's included matches with meta decks. I like it, even if it's not perfect. Alas, it'll be half dead with the Link era.
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>>171746062
>Attribution to Jeff Jones is a meme anon.
You wish. People are sadly serious.
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> you can literally take over your opponent's extra deck zone with link mechanics. Locking them out completely from their extra deck.

No way they keep this long term, I totally see then eventually changing this. They have president after what they're doing to pendulums.
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>>171720616
I like it. "Slow and in control"
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I'll just keep playing True Dracos and not give a shit!
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>>171748540
Nice, I like it nice and slow as well.
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I've just realised. You can steal your opponent's EMZ with just 3 cards.

Put a Link in right EMZ with marker pointing South East.

Put a Link in the middle of your field, markers North West (for mutual link with first EMZ) and North East (pointing to opponent's EMZ).

Put a Link in opponent's EMZ, marker South West.

Pic related, gg.
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>>171748641
I'm about to unleash my rage.
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>>171748641
>Put a Link in right EMZ
Sorry, left EMZ.
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>>171748641
Are there any NW and NE link markers yet though?
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>>171748641
Just for this TL and TR Link's will be rare and/or come with problems/drawbacks. Doubt we'll see a generic link-2 with those directions as long as this rule is allowed.
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>>171745778
Wait a minute, Yusaku's Duel Disk doesn't have a space for the EMZ.
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>>171748641
If this can be done holt shit. What has Yugioh become?
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>>171743289
>D/Ds
>relying on pendulums
In what universe?
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I want to see er VR persona already.
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>>171748867
The anime doesn't care for following the actual game rules. VRAINS characters will like just slap MD cards onto the disc and declare Link's linking without any consistency in the animation, like how the entire ED doesn't exist in anime and ED monsters just come out of mallet space.
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>>171746808
You didn't have to Tribute Summon to use your Extra Deck.
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>>171748769
>Are there any NW and NE link markers yet though?
Lets get digging boys.

http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Link_Monsters
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>>171748952
I want to sucker her pussy already.
And see her VA.
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>>171706967
I'm still running it in Noids
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>Once per turn: You can target 1 Link Monster on the field; move it to a Main Monster Zone linked to it, except to its opponent's field. Once per turn: You can switch the placements of 2 Link Monsters in your Main Monster Zone or 2 Link Monsters in your opponent's Main Monster Zone.
Oh. So you can actually move your opponent's monsters and break their links and stuff.
Well. Disregarding how Decode Talker and Honeybot have protection and targeting of course. But the card might actually be better than I first realized.
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>>171740109
Laying in bed, tending to my roses.
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>>171748769
>Are there any NW and NE link markers yet though?
>http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Link_Monsters
Apparently not, which is pretty weird when you think about it. Most of the Links currently announced only point downwards, i.e. not to the opponent's field.
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>>171748952
If it doesn't have massive norks this series is guaranteed to be shit. All the good series' main girls have big tits.
>>
>>171746062
>Jap overlords will find the combos before him.

Speaking of this, are there any good videos with the new combos?
>>
You guys are buying Links, right?
>>
>>171709698
>So any chance of exodia being helped out with having Sangaan at 3?
No. The problem with the "Exodia the Searchable One" decks is that all of their cards are +0 and the Exodia pieces are dead enough to be considered -1. Overall that pretty much means that as soon as you lose some advantage (e.g. you don't got second or your searcher gets removed in a way that doesn't trigger its effect), you lose the game.
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>>171749551
No.
I was going to give them a chance but this rule has made me abandon them.
I'm sticking to ygopro for free and save my money for something that isn't an absolute shit coin toss.
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>>171749551
I haven't bought cards for ages. I'll just play shit on YGOPro.
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>>171739406
>Realistically, is there ANY chance of the new rules being done away with? I imagine they've already put so much money into it that they can't really back out now.
0, the anime has probably already been made.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_0ZbRyI3hE
God damn it Jeff.
>>
>>171749819
This, they're even wasting an hour next month to try and convince the pissed off fanbase why YGO is still a good brand, they're even dressing people like DM characters for it. It's honestly pretty pathetic.
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>>171749551
Nope. Just waifus and handtrap lolis.
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>>171749551
I stopped buying cardboard ages ago. Though I very much considered getting back into the game in the middle of pendulums.
But that was also the time that KoA decided to no longer do banlists on a schedule. And in combination with the "lol dead after 2 days" crap that they pulled with EMEms, simply made me give up on cardboard entirely. I have no regrets. That crap is dumb.

I need to know when the banlists are so that I can judge whether or not my investments are safe, and for how long. And that's essentially impossible the way KoA are running things.
I probably would be buying cardboard if I was living in Japan though.
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>>171749887
>2 Dandylions
Not legal mate.
>>
You can't Extra Link on the first turn anyways since that zone would belong to your opponent as soon as you summon a monster on yours, and there needs to be a mutual link all the way from one Extra Monster Zone to the other, so that means you need an opponent's monster to be in it first before you can get a mutual link.
>>
>>171749887
Looks bricky as fuck tbqh.
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>>171750235
Did you even read the rules regarding extra linking?
You can do it first turn.
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>>171748768
FISH SPAM AYYYY
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>>171749887
>extra link
>but it ends with firewall dragon's north link facing your opponent's monster zone
It's shit, why are you even extra linking if you're just going to give your opponent a linked zone?
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>>171748952
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>>171750068
I came back for that meta too only for them to pull that bullshit. Made me realize how ruthless and non caring konami is as a company. Now rat and friends are doing the same shit and nobody questions it.
>>
>>171750557
Sexy.
Honestly. That's not bad. I actually think I prefer both of them like this.
>>
>>171742917
They can't just say "Arc-V was a mistake" and write it off that easily
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>>171750793
To be fair, the whole pendulum zone concept was dumb. If monsters are half-spells, they might as well go to the s/t zone. But damn, the nerf was real with links. If we get cards that use face-up extra pendulums more it would be better though
>>
>>171749048
In 5D's and Arc-V extra deck monsters are shown come out of a hidden compartment in the duel disk
>>
>>171745356
I don't think so, the spider wouldn't be on the HOneybot's linked zone.
>>
>>171750557
Pink the side bangs, like the Ruri's.
Neat Yu just works like this, he's Juudai-2.
>>
>>171751204
linked also means having another link monster pointing at you.
>>
>>171750965
They just might finally introduce more Pendy's without choking drawbacks now. Not that it'll matter but hey here they are.
>>
>>171751248
Yes, but that wouldn't be that card's Linked Zone, It would be honeybot in SPider's linked zone.
>>
>>171751396
That's why the new text doesn't specify linked zones.
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>>171751494
>doesn't specify
>"this card's Linked Zone"
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>>171714631
>>
>Link mechanics ruined countless decks
>Konami is forcing secondhand stores to buy up their official mats/sleeves and make players use them in official tournaments
>Link spam can literally lock your opponent out of their Extra Deck
>TCG does whatever the fuck it feels like and rarity bumps the living hell out of everything
>TCG gives Rat.dek a slap on the wrist and allows it to dominate the game for another 4+ months
>Duel Links is shilled to hell and back by Konami
>You are literally forced to buy Link Monsters if you want to use your Extra Deck properly

Nice game you've got there, Yugibaobaboons.
>>
>>171751564
That's the old card text.
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>>171751603
>New Monster
>Old Text
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>>171751639
>you
>reading comprehension
>>
>>171751603
>doesn't specify
>linked to this card
Spider wouldn't be linked to Honeybot(this card). Honeybot would be linked to Spider.
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>>171751694
How can a new monster have old text you retard.
>>
>>171751732
Linking goes both ways.
>>171751748
Fine, old translation, whatever.
>>
Who is the best player here?
>>
>>171751874
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>>171751601
It's not the Link monsters doing the ruining specifically, it's the game rule changes to shill the Link monsters.
There would have been nothing wrong with creating a new Link-Row on the game field where Links get placed and their Link-zone mechanism would've added spice to the game, including reviving the idea of column shenanigans, and putting importance on monster placement. Instead they choose to use the opportunity to flip the game sideways to forcibly wrangle the consumer base into dropping cash just to play the game with their old product.
It's Jewpanese being Jewpanese that's frustrating the mass.
>>
>>171749887
Cann /dng/ stop sucking Jeff Jones dick for 5 minutes?
>>
>>171751785
>linking goes both ways
Tell where this is stated.
>>
>>171751992
t. Hoban
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>>171751992
Not yet, the cumshot hasn't arrived.
>>
>>171751992
Well that post was over 40min ago, so we're behind dick sucking schedule.
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>>171751992
>One fanboy posts a dumb video
>Automatically means the whole /dng/ likes that cheater
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Don't worry guys, even if the TGG is killed Konami will survive with Duel Links. That shit is giving them more money after all
>>
>>171752047
Up your ass.
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>>171752047
https://ygorganization.com/ekisotorarinkuexclamationpoint/
>-“A monster is at the Zone pointed at by a Link Monster” and “1 or more Link Markers are pointing at a monster” are both known as a monster being linked.
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>>171749551
the pendulums are near to his end, i must leave and stay just online
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>>171752115
You don't have to care about links if your deck doesnt summon from the extra
>>
>>171747431
Yes they did it, or at least Empowered warriors
>>
>>171752183
The rein of monarchs begins anew.
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>>171752097
Like I give a fuck.
>>
>>171752183
>>171752283
These
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>>171752148
Well, fuck, I read that wrong at first.
>>
>>171752283
>>171752329
>Monarchs
My Gishkis laugh at your feeble royal status
>>
Quick, should I get rid of my Drident now? I don't have Barrages or Bullhorns.
>>
You know what makes me pissed? I love doing a board like this. It's friggin beautiful, but links mean I'd need a blue monster above and another between my dragons to keep them in field.

And that triggers my autism
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>>171752957
>no more rainbow ED's
>10 Blue cards and 5 "toolbox" minimum standard
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>>171752957
What makes me mad is that I have to wait for links to play Aromas and Blue-Eyes
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>>171752957
cant wait to se vrains getting axed for the new shit rules ;^))
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This happened after OCG banlist leak but before I know this madness. I rage
Should I cancel Witch of the Black Forest?
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>>171754416
LOLI
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New thread when???
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>>171755482
right nao >>171685903
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>>171755587
>links back to the same thread

Good job.
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>>171755482
i mean
>>171755528
>>
>>171749551 >>171751694 >>171752298
retards
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>>171755661
im in the phone srry
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