/agdg/ - Amateur Game Dev General

first for good games only

What's the best way to make game without an engine.

>>171528185
Index cards

>>171528221
add a whiteboard and this

>>171528185
Depends on what you want. E.g. if you're making a 2D game and you just want the control without worrying too much about performance, you might try C# and MonoGame, but that won't be a good option for a 3D game that needs to be quite optimized.

>>171528337
What would be the fucking point of going in raw if not for performance.

>>171528434
Freedom.

How do I design a good game world?

>>171528434
fun

>>171528470
Godot is free.
There's literally absolutely zero reasons why you would ever not use an engine if not for performance.

>pop huge zit on my neck
>it flies across the room and hits the wall
Woah

>>171528610
Freedom to program your game exactly how you want. With Godot you are still working within a framework.

>>171528712
Godot is open source and you are free to edit it as you see fit.

My ass hurts.

>>171528653
binding of isaac shit

>>171528434
fun and learning

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>non-enginedevs don't even know what a pointer is
>non-enginedevs have to buy books to learn how to use blueprints
>non-enginedevs don't even know how to do basic algebra

>>171528760
Why use Godot, then, over more basic libraries? Why spend time reverse engineering and modifying it when it doesn't really do anything special to begin with that you might want to keep?

>>171528950
I know what a pointer is and choose not to bother with that bullshit

>>171528995
Because it's a fully featured engine and that saves a lot of time if just like want to make game.

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>>171529264
>A non-enginedev thinks printing "Hello World!" is enginedevving
>A non-enginedev can't even do a simple fizzbuzz without having to look for help
>A non-enginedev needs a tutorial on how to type

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brand spanking new progress

>>171529796
looks like a playstation portable game

>>171529554
why the hell would anybody enginedev when there are so many engines to use?

>>171529507
When you're enginedevving you only have to implement the features you need. Modifying someone else's massive yet run of the mill engine so that I can have more freedom when programming my own features is not appealing to me.

Godot is good if you want a FOSS game engine with WYSIWYG editors that you can start using right away. There's no unique features that make it worth gutting and using as a library.

>>171529554
>An enginedev thinks making a fizzbuzz is making a game

>>171529989
see
>>171528828
>>171528607
>>171528470
>>171528434

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So this works, finally.
Time to make some stupidly disorientating levels I guess.

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>>171529989
>>171530035
OVEN
NOW

>>171529989
It's fun and rewarding. You avoid dependence on proprietary or inscrutable 3rd party code. You get to program the way you want and not the way some engine dictates. You can optimize for your particular use cases instead of building off a generic, bloated black box.

>>171530207
yeah but where is your game?

>>171530136
Where's your game?

>>171530104
pretty good
not sure about the control scheme but you look like you know what youre doing

>>171529989
I hate when things aren't done my way. The only way to guarantee things will be done my way is to enginedev

>>171529989
>>171530275
Samefag

>>171530035
>>171530279
Samefag

Artist looking for a programmer.

>enginedev
>fun

I don't understand this level of autism, but I can respect it. Am I welcome here with some ue4 pleb shit?

>>171530420
not an argument
where
is
your
game

this is agdg, not aedg

engines != games

fuck right off

>>171530483
what engine?

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>>171530420
What are you talking about? Take off your tinfoil

>>171530550
I use photoshop.

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>>171530279
I made this game in an hour, all in SFML.
Fight me.

Gas non-enginedevs.

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>>171530420
>literally just copies every other post in a reply chain
THAT'S NOT WHAT SAMEFAGGING MEANS

>>171530546
Never in the history of AGDG has an enginedev with progress been unwelcoming to an engine user.

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>>171530368
There's a bit of a learning curve, but once you start to acclimatize you can basically just ricochet through levels.

How do I get good at drawing

>>171530661
I commend your tabs and tracked threads effort.

>>171530420
breddy gud bait, man, I'll have to remember this one

>>171530546
some people enjoy programming

Enginecucks are mere customers, cattle.

Me? I am an enginedev, an artisan.

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accessorize

>>171530483
I've messed around in unity a decent bit and I'm decent with scripting, but I've never been able to do art to save my life. It's always put kind of a damper on my projects. I wish we could join forces, but I'm probably not the guy you want to work with. No completed projects, and kind of a busy schedule.
tfw not a game dev, just a lurker wannabe. Who else here knows this feel?

>>171531123

I get it. But cs is greek to me. I wish I understood it, but at this point in my life I feel like I should accept that I never will. I'm trying to learn. I paid $15 for that Ben Tristem udemy shit for c++ .....butt fuck, it's confusing

>>171530737
Laser point cat game? Cool

>>171531165
nice hell shader

IDEA: A basic retro FPS like doom, but with procedural dungeons, like a roguelite.

>>171529796
do you still have that catterpillar webm?

>>171531757
google "tower of guns"

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>>171531165

>>171531757
Decent idea as long as you don't skimp on the level generation and essentially end up with procedural SnapMap.

>>171531757
X but with Y elements will never be good, fuck off

>>171530104
how long have you been posting? i haven't seen this before.

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Progress: If you're bad, you can now get punched in the face.

>>171531832
not really, I was thinking more like nethack + DOOM.

that game seems more like touhou + Quake

>>171532283
Are you going to give them Supers like a headbutt or horse kick based on a bar they have to fill up?

3d lewd monstergirl zelda + harvest moon

>>171532436
monster girls suck because they're too girl and not enough monster desu

>>171530652
Nevermind then haha.

>>171532521
the game will have both

>>171530104
>>171530737
I really want to play this game where/when will you release it?

AGDG is cancelled.

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I really need to put more effort into little background details to make the world feel alive. I've been too lazy with it.

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Stupid question but I've got this array being initialized in a singleton in Unity and I have it being saved with a BinaryFormatter but I can't seem to figure out how to prevent the it from being overwritten every time the game closes.

Everything else loads when I run my load function except that array because it gets overwritten.

>>171532395
You mean for the enemy, or for the player?

The planned supers for the player are going to be a back-spinning high kick for the high special and maybe some kind of strong hook or something for the low special. I haven't thought about what I want the low special to be as much. Specials are governed by a meter, which fills up as you punch things and depletes when you are struck or whiff a super.

>>171531757
Thanks for the idea :)

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It's been a while sincec I last saw the "there were no memory leaks!" message but I finally did it!

>>171533301
I saw your game like 2 years ago. I thought you died!

>>171533380
>singleton

Boobie!

>>171533417
Enemy. Could have 'boss' themed supers like ones with huge horns could have a headbutt, etc

BOOBIE.

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How come I never see games with pixel art as good as what I find on Tumblr?

>>171534567
You mean like a one off piece?

BOOOOOOOBIEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!

>>171534347
Every enemy fighter is going to have its own unique attacks with specific triggers. For the enemy I'm making there, their special is going to be a series of like 10 or so rapid jabs or rapid hooks launched at the player's face/body, with the intent being that the player will not be able to succeed in the fight until they learn that holding up blocks incoming high attacks and not pressing anything blocks low attacks.

>>171533301
>>171533534
it took someone two years to make that


wew, whenever I feel like i'm being slow on progress I'll just remember the guy that spend two years on repeting 3 or 4 untextured low-poly blocks and some MSpaint sprites

it does look cool, though

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>>171534648
Yeah, there are some blogs that post some top-tier art which looks way better than what games come up with, I understand that making a game is much harder than one drawing but not even the backgrounds or marketing art look nearly as cool.

>>171535000
> why don't 3d games look just as good as movie cgi

>>171534567
because that one person spent about 12-24 hours on that and for a game you have to create everything to around the same level of quality

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So I used metal slug sprites and double dragon backgrounds to test out how my game would play like and I'm actually really liking how it looks like right now.

It's tempting me to abandon everything and make a metal slug x double dragon crossover.

>>171534992
He wasn't showing much of the game off.

>>171535000
Why would they put that much effort into marketing art? You either nee talent or money to get good pixel art and a lot of indie devs have neither.

>>171535185
>guns in a beat em up
what would it even play like
what would the enemies do

>>171535210
>>171534992
Also, he is a certified yesdev and already has a game on steam

>>171535342
>what would the enemies do
Probably fire back?

>>171535342

beat you up

>>171534992
It's been about 16 months, plus I've got two half-finished side projects that I've been alternating between.

That scene was 3 days of work.

>>171535342
Hit you a lot

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>add a double-tap run
>game becomes way to fuckin fast

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>>171534567
There was a game that was going to have really high detailed pixel art like that. But it never reached funding on kickstarter, haven't heard anything about it since. It's called Antraxx.
I would imagine it would take a ridiculous amount of time to create all the assets. Especially if the game is top down and requires multiple angles. There comes a point when it's just faster and easier to use 3D models.

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goddd why is 3d modeling so difficult

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any opengl devs here? I need help

>>171535992
pro-tip: Make your game just mecha and robots. It's far easier to model and animate robots, and even when there's flaws it's overlooked because they're robots.

>>171535863
fast is the only way to live bruh
just adjust the camera so you see further ahead when running

>>171535992
were there always this many shit beginning modeling posts, did I just start noticing after I started modeling?

>>171536145
I watched cg blender and blender guru and character creation one by Sebastian Lague.

I find Sebastian Lague goes way too fast and you have to pause the video a lot

>>171536313

have you watched the Udemy blender videos too? wondering if that's worth a watch

BOOBIE. BOOBIE. BOOBIE. BOOBIE. BOOBIE.

>>171534567
Look how shit that animation is.

Dude can draw but can't animate for shit.

Imagine a whole game full of awesome art... but shit tier animation.

Anyhow everyone seems to agree that high res / shaded pixel art is way too huge of a time sink to really make sense for a game.

>>171531890
Originally started posting in the summer of 2015, but due to some messy IRL stuff I had to sideline my game a little over a year; only recently been able to work on it again. Ive made some solid progress over the last two months, but my posts are still pretty infrequent and I keep missing the weekly recap.

So, February I guess.

>>171533106
There's technically a demo out there, but I'd honestly advise against playing it. It's a bit too dated at this point.
Was going to try for Greenlight, but from whats been said I may have missed that boat.

>>171536628 (continued)
Oh right, "everyone" being professional pixel artists I mean, not random fucks from AGDG and whatnot.

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>>171536313
I'm in the same boat, started last week. Watching this series now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_X9v29i-Iw&index=6&list=PLyelx0TsmSpf-8xZfjZveokSsIwj0F3lo. Especially the first one, that shows how to do a face, was useful. You might just have to watch tutorials from different authors and absorb what you can from each.

Here's some other stuff that has helped me:
- google "female topology 3d model" and look at how they do topology.
- find a front and side reference sheet, and match the shapes exactly.
- pick up as many blender shortcuts as possible early on. I think watching different tutorials helped cause they have unique workflows

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progress: submitted paint jam entry, it isn't really playing though

>>171536919
pretty much it's how I am learning Blender from multiple different tutorials it's still pretty difficult to model things even after learning all the basics like extrude loop cuts scaling etc

Booby?

>>171537329
titty.

>>171537178
Also, I found this and I think it will be useful when I know a little more. Archive because the images don't load on the live site.
https://web.archive.org/web/20120714032627/http://blenderartists.org/forum/showthread.php?93651-Poles-and-Loops

>>171537469
I want to make a small 3d battle arena simulator game so like maybe a knight model with a sword will have to fight giant spiders etc

Making waifubait characters, need personality suggestions.

What traits make you waifu a character?

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here's a pitch, fuckers.
>tres avant garde
>exploration heavy walking sim type
>each level is unique (sampler of every atmospheric genre)
>unique portal objects scattered around huge landscapes
>micro-puzzles are sometimes required to access portals
>no enemies no npc
>maybe fp maybe tp maybe both...

coding isn't my thing so i'm trying to simplify all mechanics to bare minimum. I think of this as being a scion of dream emulator... what's missing?

>>171537568
Emotionless doll

>>171537618
The pitch itself means nothing since it's just a list of typical walking simulator tropes, it all depends on execution.

I like the style of the screenshot though.

>>171537568
Coddling yandere

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>>171537801
>it all depends on execution
care to elaborate?

>>171533301
looks fuckin neato. as long as the gameplay didn't blow I'd buy

>>171537568
>What traits make you waifu a character?
Everytime.

If you faggots dont understand the concept of "best girl" and why people gravitate to them. Theres no hope.

And its not looks and traits, its everything that encompasses a character.

>>171537995
It means MAKE GAME

>>171537995
I think what he is saying is that you can have 20 people in a room, throw them an "idea" and they could walk away and then come back with 20 different ways to make that idea. Resulting in 20 fairly different games and experiences even if they were all based on a core concept.

>>171538052
explain

>>171538105
Care to explain?

>>171537618
I like this sort of game.
There are some overused tropes and visual effects, basically anything that you can slap onto a unity scene. I need some kind of technical or artistic innovation to get off to these anymore.
When a game has npcs, it instantly adds a layer of complexity for the player to think about. People will project agency into any kind of dumb AI. Think about, for example, just a line of endlessly moving figures. The player will immediately question why they are there, where they are going, etc. Having no people is a trap that these games can fall into.

I want to see what you come up with, but be aware that most of the easy content has been mined in this genre. IMO you need some edge to stand out, either procedural programming, shaders, or SOME ACTUAL FUCKING MEANING instead of looking at colorful cubes.

>>171537568
see:
>>171534141
>>171534514
>>171536507
>>171537329

>>171538118
Cookie cutter tropes dont make good characters. Its why most of the time the class rep is not best-girl in the show. And sometimes even the worst.

if you go into making a character whos the <trope> type, youve already failed. Thats why games that make shallow wank-bait are often seen through. Like the sakura series.

And stop calling any cute girl a waifu. Thats not the fucking term.

>>171538352
Boobie? A single one? Mastectomy?

>>171538461
Elaborate

>>171535890
Something like that would probably just have a fixed isometric camera like Crusader No Remorse.

Not making the next Flappy Bird or Undertale type game

You guys want to stay poor?

>>171538461
B-But I like emotionless doll trope type characters

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>>171538061
working on it bub

>>171538495
On what?
How to make a good girl character?
I dont have time to write a 2k essay, and its mostly redundant common sense anyway.

If you cant grasp the concept, go back to your favorite media and then break down why you love X, why you hate Y, and why you may hate Z in a good way.

But the basic things are:
flaws
characteristic dimensions
Conflicting dimensions that lead to a new trait that can lead to character growth,flaws, or another transformation.

But the biggest hurdle for hack writers is NOT defining your character by their flaws. Nothing makes me cringe more.

>>171535992
I don't know but I've been trying to learn and have wanted to kill myself for some time due to it. That's why I'm just looking for animu modeleres now instead, but there are virtually none. Fuck.

>>171538747
They need something else to be interesting. Even if its the tiniest device.
Yin in DtB is a decent example

>>171535342
Mooks in metal slug are just cannon fodder. They rarely even fire their weapons.

name your 3 favorite mgirls

>>171536038
Shoot.

>>171540069
u

>>171540069
mgirls?

>>171540178
get out

>>171540178
m

which agdg game will be the next undertale

>>171540931
I have a pretty good idea of how to make the anti-undertale (and also make it way funnier than memes and dad jokes).

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>western gamedevs

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Made a new rig with controls today. Animating a shotgun tomorrow.

>>171542014
Gun reload animation guy, is that you? Oh my god, long time no see. Where is your game?

>>171542014
teach me your 3d modeling ways

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How do you guys like my new "End of Floor" portal thingy?

i will probably plob some blinking lights and more moving detail onto it.

And since i have no talent at all, i did not manage to make a cool spiraly portal like this guy >>171530737
and went with some cheap scanline like one instead, but i think it fits the everything is kinda blocky vibe.

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I've added the sideways barrel roll, proper water, machine gun firing, different skybox with lens flare today.

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Been a while since I've devved. Been playing video games. Just coded some auto tiling, so now all I gotta do is put the blocks into the level for bunny to hop on, and they will be outlined already.

>>171543750
hote daim that is some nice looking progress

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Made a terminal like system to act as menus and a developer console. There's also a cute blinking cursor.

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What did Capcom mean by this?

>tfw making a game is way too hard

seriously how do people even do it?

>>171543816

I like the style. Do you have some plans what kind of gameplay? Jump and run? infinite runner?

What was the moment you realized you were never going to make it? For me it was when Clarentdev called it quits.

>>171545059
Just wing it and pretend you aren't like a little scared child.

>>171545301
>just be yourself

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day 4, 3rd model

r8

>>171545414

For one of your first models pretty gud.

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>>171536680
>professional pixel artists

>>171545414
as the guy who you talked to earlier recommending all those blender tutorials

I attempted more of the same character modeling video got nowhere then tried to model a few different animals also got nowhere

I think you are pretty good at modeling

>>171540931
The Buried Bone

professional idea guy here

I am willing to give you one idea for your game

>>171544739
Pretty neat if true.
Though I cant imagine it being cheap because im sure capcom arent in the generous state

>>171545768
Which tool do you use to make your ideas?

>>171545807
LaTeX

>>171545768
i bet i'm a better idea guy than you, faggot
i have a whole design document with conceot art and everything and i don't even have a prototype yet because i've never done programming before

>>171545831
Nevermind then haha.

Quick question

Do I animate my models in Blender and import to Unity or do I animate my models in Unity.

Which is the best way

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>>171545253
Here's an older gif. Already got gameplay down. Planning on putting together some quick levels soon, as well as a tutorial. I need to have this done by Tuesday for a class, but I've been procrastinating because of new game releases.

>>171545995
animating in blender is standard.

>Know how to make video games
>Sit at home be useless NEET
>Should go get a job programming or doing art
>Sit at home being a useless NEET instead
>Haven't finished a game in a year
>Low on money
>Sit at home being a useless NEET

Why do we live?

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Is there a collective list of AGDG projects somewhere?

>>171546301
Simple we don't collab

>>171546372
The Monday Recap keeps a rolling lite list of games. Not everyone participates (and there are some whodevs that probably lurk here but don't post often enough).

>>171546372
http://homph.com/recap/

>>171546372
look at all the demo day games for starters

what's the bar that a project has to clear, anyway? sometimes I post a game for like 3 days then drop it cause it's shit

>tfw you can only draw looking at reference images

Art is only copying other art styles

>>171546869

>>Art is only copying other art styles
if youre a hack

we should all collab as a hivemind we could make a really good game within a few weeks if we all collectively keep allowing new members to join and have a well structured design plan for a game

>>171535342
>>guns in a beat em up
there were guns in tons of beat em ups there was a machine gun in double dragon

Dinosaurs and Cadillac is probably the best example of a beat em up with guns.

>>171547462
This place has too many shitposters to make anything interesting.
I just opened this new thread to see the same fucking argument for the first 100 posts and nothing more than baiting and stupid shit for the rest.

It really says everything when we have only 9 relevant gamedev posts out of 189.

>>171547462
>we all collectively keep allowing new members to join
thats literally how you kill a game.

If you really want a collab game, you have to first get people on board knowing it will be free. (good luck)
Then outline the scope (and stick to it), and the relative amount of people needed.

And thats just the easy part.

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Finally back on the progress train with a new enemy in its most basic form. Can't wait to get this bad boy functional

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Now I remember why I stopped using Unity.

>>171547462
we tried that a few weeks ago, a huge collab thing where anyone can make a level

but everyone with enough experience to code the framework had actual games to make

>>171536919
here's another tip
-download free models/rips from games and use them as a reference

there is no shame in 3d tracing as long as you're learning and the end result is different

>>171547834
you can turn that off.

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>>171547660
>you have to first get people on board knowing it will be free. (good luck)
You've already fucked up.

>>171545875
:o
Looks like I've been had!

>>171543750
what about moving that reticule from screen space to world space?

make it a billboard parented to the plane and offset it so it is always in front.

>>171547961
The chances of a free e-collab working is slim to none. You add money in there and youre looking at a fraction or a fractals chance

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It also occurred to me that people might take offense that some of the characters are under age.

Does the "all characters are 18+" thing actually fly in burger land

>>171548535
>Does the "all characters are 18+" thing actually fly in burger land
Yeah, you wont get shit unless its hyper-realistic lolis.
No one cares about western cartoons, and you always have the "alt/universe" excuse.

>>171548080
Why are you working your way from the idea that various people who - for the most part - display some degree of real competence in certain area, but usually lack in others, can't possibly join pool their respective skills, to actually create something marketable?

>>171548773
Because the average situation usually fails. For every 1 Katawa shoujo you have a hundred dead games not even out of planning.

If egos dont kill it, a ripple effect from whatever will

>>171547898
It's easier to blame the engine.

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All right agdg, serious question time. How do I stop being an ideaguy?

>>171549154
start on the gloriuos path of engine dev

>>171549154
Build discipline.

>>171549154
develop literally ANY skill

>>171549196
different guy here, where do I start?

I have a job where I just sit around doing nothing all day, recently I've been thinking of ideas and concepts for games

Recently I've been doing it enough that I've started thinking about actually trying to be productive instead of just daydreaming

>>171549154
Either start learning art e.g. via >>>/ic/ or programming via books.

>>171549154
>>171549290
"former" ideaguy
All it takes is moving your ass and downloading an engine.
>b-but I can't program
nobody can until they learn it
practice
or cheat and use ue4's blueprints
>b-but I'm shit at art
practice it
>h-how can I ever dream of making music
PRACTICE IT

>>171549154
>>171549294
you could skip the drawing and go straight to modeling too

>>171549290
Pick a language
decide how much help from libraries you want.
then start.
C++ and SFML if you like C++/OO
C++ with SDL or GLFW (but with glfw youll have to ether roll your own audio or look to SDL or SFML.

If you want to go completely barebones with just OGL/vulkan and individual libraries for everything else its just a google search.

Any other languages will probably have bindings to the rest though if you hate c/++

>>171549598
I don't think he asked for gamedev advice, not enginedev advice.

>>171549494
if you do that, do absolutely not skip anatomy by any means, it's the most important part of making a character look good (see Mass Effect Andromeda/Battleborn if you don't understand how bad proportion can make stuff look awful)
Also it's really handy to have good, solid front, side and back views for modelling.

>>171549469
>>171549598
I'm interested in 2D fighting games (2D gameplay at least, open to either 2D or 3D graphics). Is there a specific path that involves skillsets better suited for this task?

>>171549691
>being this brain damaged
condolences

>>171549717
yeah I have a feeling not knowing how to draw will bite me in the ass when I need to make original characters

>>171549691
>I don't think he asked for gamedev advice,
Many non-gamedevs use all three for their applications. Yes they are primarily for games. But not limited to.

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>>171549469

>>171549747
Thanks.

>>171549794
You should definitely learn how to make a tolerable drawing and how to paint an okay picture. Painting's important for textures.

>>171549717
>Battleborn
are all these characters considered awful? some of them seem like just stylized exaggeration, some are really bad.

>>171549741
>Is there a specific path that involves skillsets better suited for this task?
youll probably want to roll your own input library, other than that, not really.

>>171549741
if you're sticking to a pre-made engine, I hear unity's better for pixel based stuff when compared to unreal
2D fighting game will take an awful lot of balancing, fine tuning, and good animations, start with something simple first, even if the idea has been done already.

>>171549794
Draw them in T-pose, it's pretty easy, and you don't need to account for perspective.

>>171549927
They're all awful looking as far as I can remember.

>>171549294
I have noticed a lot of programmers in vidya (tommy refenes the most famous example, and some normal guys) say that they regret not focusing their personal skillsets more on art for dev. desu depending on what game you want to make, it might be best to make art your main ordeal and learn just enough programming to slap your shit together in an engine. there are people in these threads who just started learning to code a year ago and have okay lookin game maker projects, but without good art you are fucked my man. and that takes a while to git gud.

I am trying to 1MA plus music, :crazyface:

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>>171528003
heyo, uh, i've never posted in this thread before but a dev friend said I should post my game here and see what people think.
All the sprites are terrible and the game has like 4 levels. I've never made a game before but I'm hoping to learn.

here's the game, it's just a platformer where you dodge projectiles until you get to the end of the stage and shoot the blue dude to move on to the next level. I've added other mechanics like doors so far.

>>171550104
MC blends in with the tiles, I didn't even see it for a few seconds.

>>171538564
Crusader had 3D models turned sprites turned game assets. Just so you know.

Wow, the thread has been civil. Real dev hours.

>>171550305
Is there any reason to do this and not to just use the 3d models ingame in 2017?

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>>171548905
Where is the hurt in that?
If something unravels during planning, people at most lose few hours they would otherwise spend sitting above their respective pile of legos, knowing full well they are missing some important pieces they really wish they had, desperately trying to figure out how to make something half decent out of what they have anyway.
It's tantamount to self torture.

Now a serious attempt at joint work would never work out by simply going "hey guys let's all do this shit together!"
You have to do some elimination, and by that I don't really mean singling out people who do a poor job, that one has to come later.
If you waltz in asking everyone to show their shit, most people will definitely freak the fuck out and get defensive at the prospect of being rejected.
And you have to do the important stuff first anyway.

First of all, there is the big one. 2D and 3D. You have people who would simply refuse to work on one or the other, either out of conviction or just because they don't have anything to contribute to one, because their entire skillset revolves around the other.

Second obvious one, tools of the trade. Agreeing on a specific engine to use. Seen enough people favoring both Unity and UE4 to fill separate teams nicely.
2D fags would probably go with GMS.

I don't personally believe engine devs would be able to pull something off together, but stranger shit happened.

Then you have to set a basic outline, genre, style, scope.
Always go with majority. Individuals who can't conform or make compromises no matter what should fuck off, they would be a hindrance all the way to the end.

All of this could be done in probably few hours tops.
Even if nothing comes out of it, nobody really loses anything and who knows, maybe some folks will actually stick together on the sidelines and make something anyway.

>>171550394
>wasted months
>frustrated the whole time
>Where is the hurt in that?
lol

>>171550104
i know where you live erin

>>171550359
Maybe if you want to be able to draw a million at once without too much technical work.

>>171550465
Gensokyo?

>>171550104
I would give feedback but I'm guessing most of it would be "yeah I know I'll get around to that"...

>>171550447
>months

>>171548535
the relative sizes is a bit fucky

>>171550394
>people at most lose few hours they would otherwise spend sitting above their respective pile of legos
Ive wasted weeks on a few seperate collabs that fell through.
>Always go with majority.
What happens when the majority want to consistently scope down or go in a direction not liked by the others.
Also what if the majority's ideas and work are worse than the majority.
Then youll eventually have disenchantment turn to resent turn to ex-members.

>nobody really loses anything and who knows, maybe some folks will actually stick together on the sidelines and make something anyway.

time, and the chances of splinter relationships are low.

I can tell youve never actually worked with people on an e-collab.

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>>171550568
yeah I don't work on it the game that much, I'm still trying to learn the software, but I'd like any opinions I could get, good or bad.

>>171550609
worse than minority*

Can you all just stop replying to that idiot? He's been shitposting about the same thing since the beginning of this thread.

>>171549290
I'm an engine dev, and I would suggest otherwise. If you really want to put your game ideas into motion, just use an engine, like GM or Unity. Those will give you the fastest results. Being an engine dev is a really slow process, depending on your approach, it might even take days to make your first thingie move on the screen. However with that said, engine devving is not black magic and actually quite fun, and basic things like a puzzle game or a simple platformer should be relatively easy to put together. But keep in mind that all your sweat might be rewarded with a "meh", since what you have done could be made in a few hours at best in a pre-made engine. Most of the time people don't even recognize that you have made it in a custom engine, which is weird, because I usually recognize without the "Made with Unity/GM" logo that what the game was made with.

tl;dr: only go engine dev if you enjoy software development in general. Pick up a C++ tutorial then an SDL2 one, OpenGL is optional.
http://lazyfoo.net/tutorials/SDL/index.php
https://learnopengl.com/

After that, you'll realize that knowing how to code is just the start. Knowing how to structure code is more important in the long run.
http://gameprogrammingpatterns.com/

>>171550632
* Make the player not blend in as much
* The background/foreground tiles being the same is really boring looking
* Everything is squares is kinda awkward too for that matter
* Fireballs should probably have an effect when coming out of the guns too
* Big effects are more interesting. Perhaps when fireballs hit the wall they should have a bigger explosion (that breaks out of their normal 12x12(or whatever) box)
* The whole "shoot the guy" thing is kinda weird. Is he going to fight back later or what?
* Definitely needs more stuff than "dodge fireballs". But you knew that
* If you found a way to animate the "outside" area (moving stars? clouds? whatever) it would probably look better

>>171550735
who?

>>171550609
>Ive wasted weeks on a few seperate collabs that fell through.
you, or whoever organized them, fucked up on day one

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Hey /agdg/
I recently got a laptop but it s a pretty shitty one.Do you guys think i ll be able to dev on an 32 mb integrated graphics "card"?

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>>171551367
I'm surprised you can actually use a browser with that

>>171551246
From my experience most collabs fail because of artists. They always lose interest or make the scope go down when it's time for them to make all the assets that are needed for their awesome game idea.

The only way to get them back on track is to give them money which is why most collabs turns to kickstarters or some shit. And even then there is a high rate of artists just dropping out when they get the money.

>>171551246
I was fine.
Another huge pitfall is no one ever wants to treat feedback like they do here. Which was actually the reason three of them failed.

Its either hollow "cool shit yo" or nothing at all.

e-collabs are just a time wasting meme

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>>171550864
>fireballs should probably have an effect when coming out of the guns too
well I thought that would be quick and easy so I've done that, once again I'm not too good at drawing sprites but i hope this makes it look a little better

>>171551367
try flash8, i dont think it uses the graphics card at all. it's flashplayer certainly doesnt.

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>>171551570
Not funny lad Chrome actually lags a bit and i have like 10 fps in that no internet dino game

>>171551932
make the world's most complex and patrician text game, in lisp

>>171552027
>make the world's most complex and patrician text game
implying anyone will be able to defeat me when they dont have the power to simulate the socio-economic-political world within seconds.

Should I read a 2500 page book on c++ or nah?

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Good night agdg

>>171552320
>should I avoid actually devving

>>171552279
when are you gonna simulate another game faggot

>gogem posts abound
>but no gogem progress posts

HMMMMMMM

>>171552320
Sure, most sepples bibles are mostly templates and example answers anyway.

If its a bjarne book, you might want to get a primer or have the docs open, as hes prone to tangents and bad explanations. Scott meyers stuff is good

>>171552320
Sounds excessive. Is it a reference manual or something? It's more or less enough to learn the basics and then look up shit as you need it.

Maybe if it goes into detail with shit like data structures / run time costs (Big O), how to set up large projects from the ground up / etc it might be worth reading cover to cover.

>>171552320
Wait did I just get memed? Fucking 4channers and asking innocent plausible questions as a "troll".

>>171552320
>2500 page book on c++
War & Peace is less pages and it will teach you more about how to make a game than that a C++ book will

>>171552320
Strawsoup's book? I read the first hundred pages or so and you can definitely learn a lot from it but I wouldn't bother to read the entire thing. A lot of it is just reference, as well.

>>171552513
yes
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0321992784/

>>171552396
>nobody says good night to my kot
rude

>>171552625
I was thinking about The C++ Programming Language, actually. Never read that one.

>>171552406
im in a rut mate
>>171552453
dont know what anything you mentioned is
>>171552470
https://www.amazon.com/dp/0321992784/
>>171552493
serious question
>>171552508
I'll look into it
>>171552513
"Programming: Principles and Practice Using C++" is the one I was looking at
>>171552625
who are you

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Gonna continue working on that trailer once I get home today.
Any recommendations for video editing software?

>>171552320

Programming is a skill but don't approach it by trying to down a book of that length, it'd be like trying to lose weight by sitting down and eating nothing but kale until you throw up. Pace yourself.

>>171552815
Sony Vegas if you don't need to do anything crazy.
After Effects if you do.

>>171553106
The preface of the book states that it should take ~3 months to finish properly. It is a rather long term thing.

>>171552815
wheres the gameplay

>>171552320
>>171552625
Only like 900 pages of that book are the actual workbook parts, the rest is just reference. The preface says it's meant for an intro semester of university, intended to take 3 months-ish assuming 15 hours of your weekly study are material from this course (so basically if you're a neet you should finish this shit in like four weeks, seems like there are exercises between every 2 paragraphs and big ones at the end of chapters). It starts out teaching you C++ as your first language and assumes you don't know what "source code" means, so I guess it's good for a beginner if you just decided to learn programming day 1 today and you will start your programming/yesdev journey with C++.

Whether you should actually do that or not is another question that I don't have the answer to because teaching is hard and nobody knows what noobs should do, 99% of advice is shit.

t. actually read that book

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Do you think there's any way to make a roleplaying (I.E. choice and writing-heavy) game without combat and not have it be boring as Sunday school? Or is violence / combat too important to forgo?
I mean, what's the alternative? Dialogue choices alone are not engaging enough to be a good game,

>>171554129
Yes, but they are called visual novels.

>>171554129
What the other guy said. If you're taking out violence you have to make up in good story / good music / good characters / etc

I'm told for someone interested in learning programming, C++ is too ambitious, even if it's what I intend to eventually use

How about C or C#? I'm told that these are related but also simpler, making them easier to learn for a first timer. Is this true? If so, which one?

>>171554129
Or you can make one of those "make your own adventure" type of things but in a video game. So there are battles, but they are settled by "dice". Like: the enemy is approaching you. Do you fight or not? Whatever you chose, the game generates a random number. If said number is bigger than a certain amount, you can either escape or defeat the enemy (based on which option you've chosen). Said randomly generated number can be affected by your equipment or other skills and talents. Like if you have strength, you have a bigger chance to win. If you have the Mighty Invisible Cloak of the Whale, then you have a bigger chance to get away from your enemies without fighting.

>>171554129
Something like This War Of Mine is still an untapped genre. Ive always thought something like advance wars except you as a general whatever have to juggle your mens morale and relationships in order to survive.

Something like Advance wars x band of brothers

>>171554129
Yes, check out the game Gods Will Be Watching, then imagine that you have a character sheet and it's a CRPG. It would be hard as shit to pull off, but it's what I've been trying to do forever. Basically you need amazing level design, actual problem solving (dislike calling it "puzzles" because this is a more holistic approach), master level aesthetic reward, etc. etc. etc. You need to distill what people enjoy about the non-combat aspects of RPGS then amplify it by nine million because you don't have the crutch of constant combat to keep things interesting.

Imagine if Planescape: Torment had actual gameplay like sections of Gods Will Be Watching, and the character sheet wasn't a convoluted fuckstick of a mess, and the system was actually good and balanced.

>>171554659
“C first”:
This approach to learning C++ is wasteful of students’ time and leads to poor
programming practices by forcing students to approach problems with fewer facilities,
techniques, and libraries than necessary. C++ provides stronger type checking than C, a standard
library with better support for novices, and exceptions for error handling

t. Stroustrup

>>171554659
C++ is overwhelming, but people saying to start with c# are fucking idiots as its a java clone which is a c++ clone.

C is outdated and any MMM you learn from that, can be learned in C++ with more modern approaches.

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Small little progress post. Working on the thief's abilities for my project. I have the mechanics down for him bribing enemies. Just need an animation to suit it

>>171555012
>gradients

>>171554801
>>171554902
so just do C++ then?

my trepidation comes mostly from this:

https://web.archive.org/web/20160902133514/http://www.gamefromscratch.com/post/2011/08/04/I-want-to-be-a-game-developer.aspx

but I don't know really know what's good advice or bad

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>>171555052
what?

>>171555171
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGar7KC6Wiw

>>171555171
>This one is a bit depressing but completely true. There is nothing really magical about Game Programming
bad advice from someone who hates their job

>C# is a modern derivative of C++,
And thats where any credibility is lost.

If you want to program and make games, c++ is standard. There are plenty of other options if youre willing to do the work.

If you just want to make games,GM

>>171555171
>start with C++
>work for months and have fuckall to show for it
>eventually you're good enough to use UE4 or enginedev

or

>start with python
>use libraries that do a lot of the work easy mode, or apply what you just learned to write GML scripts in game maker and so on
>have a pixel dude on the screen interacting with shit literally tonight

people advise against C++ because learning is about instant gratification, you want to learn small things one step at a time and be able to immediately apply them toward your stated goal. with C++ you will be learning such dazzling skills as "how to make your command prompt spit out arithmetic and manipulate text" when you first start, longer than other languages, which can get discouraging to people who grind forever but just want to make thing, especially when they get stuck. so the question is, are you an autistic enough dude to be disciplined and put in the time to become C++ master race, or would you rather just play it safe and go with a higher level language? starting with C++ will mean you have a better foundational understanding of programming, but starting with training wheels makes it less likely that you will quit like a bitch. what are your goals? how disciplined are you? how much time do you want to invest? be realistic.

take this with a grain of salt as I'm not some master programmer myself, but this has been my experience starting with C++ then just saying fuck it and making stuff in various 2d engine scripting languages. also have an article by super meat boy man:

http://www.gamasutra.com/blogs/TommyRefenes/20130107/184432/How_do_I_get_started_programming_games.php

What's the right way to make a setting more interesting without making it more complex/detailed ?

>>171556240
elaborate

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Got restarting a level working right. Originally it restarted the whole room, meaning the music restarted and the stars in the sky restarted as well. Got it to work without doing that, so it feels cleaner.

>>171556240
By making the little you do have actually good.

>>171555816
>hen you first start, longer than other languages
You can start making text games your fist week with C++.

>inb4 goal post shfting

>>171555816
Thanks, if the only difference is the instant gratification aspect, then I have no problems taking things slow, building a stronger foundation.

I assumed that most people interested in learning how to program and interested specifically in game design were doing so with the knowledge that it could take years before that work started to materialize.

I don't mind taking things slow and steady for a strong foundation. I've been fretting over finding the "right way" to start so as not to waste my time. If C++ is not a waste of time, but only an inconvenience for those who want instant results, then it seems great for me.

You don't know how much of a relief your post is for me. Thanks a lot.

>>171556521
gnarly dude

>>171556521
ohly shit just noticed the moon

>>171556240
Sprinkle lore and hidden stuff around like dark souls

Are digging games played out at this point?

>>171556914
not if its interesting, like any game of any gener

>>171556914
Uh are they? Maybe I just haven't looked hard enough (read: at all)

But: I'm really hankering a good one.

Steamworld Dig, the last one I played, was way too casual...

>>171555816
That's a very good article, thank you for sharing!

Any 3Dbros here?

What program do you use for retopology?

>>171556491
I can't really see how.
Another way to word the question would be "Why is Save the princess A better than Save the princess B, disregarding gameplay, graphics and audio".


>>171556557
Well, making everything good is the end goal anyway. I guess you're talking about having elements that tightly fit together ?

>>171556765
That can only work for an RPG though.

>>171556914
One with physics and different material density/strenght could be interesting.

>>171557352
>That can only work for an RPG though.
>only RPGs have lore
wew lad

>>171555012
Looks like he squats to masturbate.

>>171557352
Oh fuck sorry, I misunderstood 'setting' as options/configurations.

>>171557352
>That can only work for an RPG though.
Jesus if your that creatively narrow-minded it's no wonder you can't think of anything.

>>171557352
>Why is Save the princess A better than Save the princess B
Nuance
Tighter gameplay
More coherent everything (graphics/music/setting all tying in)

>>171556914
Depends if the digging is the main premise of the game or not. If its used in some other context its still viable e.g

XTREME PRISON TUNNEL ESCAPE. Cannibalise and steal as much from your cell as possible to make the pit props and tools your ramshackle tunnel desperately needs before it inevitably collapses. Basically the Great Escape/Shawshank Redemption

>>171557406
>>171557502
Having an equipment screen with lots descriptions doesn't sound like a good way to do a fast paced FPS. Or a platformer. Or an RTS.

>inb4 another pointless argument about creativity

>>171557525
>More coherent everything (graphics/music/setting all tying in)
That's the conclusion I think about the most. But I feel like there's more to it, maybe it's about how unique the different elements are ?

>>171557897
There are lots of elements (sometimes contradictory) that go into "interesting" and "fun".

You should refine your thinking before you attempt to tackle the problem..

>>171557897
>Having an equipment screen with lots descriptions doesn't sound like a good way to do a fast paced FPS. Or a platformer. Or an RTS.

I didnt mean literally copy dark souls you autistic faggot.
>creativity (or a lack of in your case)
>not relevant for the most creative medium
alright then

>>171557897
You can tell a story without just screens of text you fucking dipshit. You can do it visually within your scene.

>>171530737
How did you achieve that dynamic cape type thing?

Is a tablet/pad necessary for software like Zbrush?

>>171557940
True, I hadn't thought about it this way.

>>171557968
>I didnt mean literally copy dark souls you autistic faggot.
>>171556765
>Sprinkle lore and hidden stuff around like dark souls

>>171558094
Visual exposure is kinda limited in what it can do. I guess it's also balance.

>>171558339
He said LIKE Dakrsouls, not "the same as Darksouls."

>>171558339
IN THE GENERAL SENSE.

if youre this good at following directions to the t then please kill yourself

>>171558396
Yeah but DaS's lore is mostly exposed through dialogue and equipment, save for a couple cutscenes. Obviously, doing it the in a similar way means you're going to have to use similar elements, which wouldn't work in a lot of genres.

>>171558436
>getting this mad at a chinese cardboard cutout trading forum

>>171558648
I really hope youre good at programming with this severe autism

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This is a humble reminder that learning how to develop your game from scratch (that is, not relaying in game engines such as unity and GMS) will take you closer to deploying a game and beat your competitors.

Because games and game development are so popular, and you are competing against other games for attention, it is in your interest to use more performant tools that allow you to program your game without cutting any feature or depending on closed software.

If you are interested in defeating your main oponents (those using game engines, like the ones listed in the op poster), here are some tips:

- Use efficient and performant programming languages, such as c++, rust or nim.
* cplusplus.com/doc/tutorial/
* doc.rust-lang.org/book/
* nim-by-example.github.io

- Learn algorithms:
* coursera.org/specializations/algorithms

- Learn maths and physics:
* khanacademy.org/math
* khanacademy.org/science/physics

- Learn how to get the most out of your cpu:
* dataorienteddesign.com/dodmain/
* learncpp.com/cpp-tutorial/79-the-stack-and-the-heap
* fgiesen.wordpress.com/2016/08/07/why-do-cpus-have-multiple-cache-levels/

- Learn how to do graphics:
* opengl-tutorial.org/beginners-tutorials/

Good luck.

>>171559263
>thicc cables
why

Is it possible to flag >>171559263 as copypasta at this point? What would the mods say?

>>171559263
i thought that guy who posted two chubby chicks running through the city every day for a week was cancer, then you came along

>>171559343
I think those are cable bundles.

>>171559406
Oh. Indeed.

>>171559357
First time I've ever seen it and I basically live here

>>171559263
yeah except you will be out of the running for a long time due to said engine devving

that said my game is frame limited by vsync (so 144fps on my computer)

so I made a simple 2d benchmark that runs un-synced, it got 250fps

I reprogrammed my blit function to use multiple threads for different scan lines in the one blit operation and now it does 620fps

>>171559462
not really
it's his second time posting this on /agdg/, he came from /v/

>>171559263
Will do, Lain-chan

I bet that with an engine you gain so much more performance than doing things from scratch.

>>171559263
This is a humble reminder that ...
-enginedev wont give you better technology than your competitors (the best engines have much better enginedevs than you).
-enginedev will make sure you get less gamedesign practice than your competitors.
-enginedev is the surest path to failure.

>>171559730
Whats with that defeatist atitude

>>171559885
defeatist how?
enginedev isnt gamedev, i didnt get into gamedev to make engines. leave enginedev to the teams of people getting paid to do it.

>>171559885
>gogem.pro
do you really have to ask ?

>>171530398

in a language you didn't develop ?

working on a pc that wasn't engineered by yourself ?

while lurking in a basement you didn't build exactly to your specifications ?

all the while sitting on chair not designed and hand crafted by yourself ?
enjoy being enverybody's bitch James.

>>171559885
sometimes even googum is right
are you really going to defend a retarded pastaposter

>>171560193
This is not one of those times

>>171559730
>poojum