/rlg/ - Roguelike General

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PLAY SKELETON BARD

anyone play cogmind these days?

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Olympians:
Gibbed [ X ]

Just need to survive Nodens, Shuma-gorath, and Echizen, then it's big boy time.

>>171161542
I tried and died immediately. The Simpsons have taught me that if something's hard to do, it's not worth doing.

>>171162619
this is true
bard is a pretty shitty class for most of the game and skeleton is a real bad race to pair with it since bad starting stats mean your melee (aka main source of damage) will be terrible for a very long time

you can use wrecking note to pretend to be a blaster caster for a while but it doesn't exactly scale well, and soul shriek/doomcall are too mana-expensive to use as a primary offense

eveeeentually at level 45 you get to become a blasty dude again with a 100d10 sound ball spell

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>>171162216
Professional doubleturner Nodens down alongside Echizen who he summoned. Plenty could still go wrong, considering my inferior speed.

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What commercial roguelikes do you most regret buying?

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Christ. Duelist, man. Haven't killed the Unicorn in awhile.

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>>171163573
>buying roguelikes

>>171163573
I have only bought OWH, OWH+, Hoplite, and Hyperrogue and I don't regret buying any of them. They are all very cheap for the amount of fun I've had with them.

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>when ya phase charge through the atoms of a closed door to reach a target, effectively achieving passwall

Serpent tomorrow. I have a feeling it's gonna be a bloodbath.

>>171164441
I want to see a duelist using the blinkcharge to bully melee chumps like Destroyer or Wahha-Man

>>171162190
I tried it once but it was just so unsatisfying that I dropped it.
I'm glad I didn't pay for it.

>>171164710
Wahha was totally obliterated, I'm not sure I even had to heal

the Destroyer was, well, duelists fare far better than many other characters, but he's still a big pain with the whole nearly 30,000 hp thing

>>171165798
Destroyer on archer with a -TO is hilarious
you just shoot at him as he approaches then teleport him before he reaches melee range, pick up the arrows off the ground, and wait for him to dig back to you

>>171163573
Dredmor. Between the busy tiles, animations, ... unique stat names, and drag and drop interface, playing it was draining.

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>>171166729

>busy tiles

>>171168145
things that arent ascii are worse than ascii if you arent a shitter (and arent playing crawl)

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>>171168286

You are looking at non-ascii content right now. Can your 2 (two) int brain still safely handle and comprehend this otherworldly visual content?

>>171168145
Maybe busy isn't the right word. The aesthetic makes it difficult to parse groups of enemies, especially when they're all moving. It's like trying to read something that's slightly out ot focus: doable, but annoying.

>>171168997
i can't handle nonascii cdda actually
just the thought of having an 8-tile-wide viewport in a game where your viewdistance is 70+ fucking tiles gives me conniptions

>>171169226
Smallest tiles are like 10x10

>>171169301
yeah but at that point they're harder to distinguish than ascii so it's not like you're gaining anything unless you're just afraid of the alphabet
plus tiles can't have separate foreground/background colors IIRC so the little 10x10 tileset (which uses the same recolored zombie tile for almost everything) is pretty bad for differentiating certain zombies that are easy to tell apart in ascii

>Tfw you've taken a long enough break from cata DDA that you can come back to it and have actual fun with it without worrying that the balance is fucked and there's no rewarding lategame awaiting you

The game is so comfy when you're in that zone of putting together an incredible base/vehicle/equipment loadout

Now I just need to get back into Stone Soup. Has anything interesting been added in the last three months?

>>171169762
>added
uh, scarves?
oh yeah and silgod

What does /rlg/ think of this melee combat system:
>have many attacks depending on body parts, equipment, wielded weapons
>each attack has some damage, time cost, extra effects
>each time player attacks, every attack gets some random variance to its stats
>then the best (by some measure) attack is picked automatically

>>171170542
well it seems like
>have many attacks depending on body parts and shit
kind of gets overwritten if only the best attacks ever get used
you're never going to use that cool tentacle slap attack if you've got a +10 ultrasword of everythingslaying in your hand
also having different time costs that the player has little/no control over is a bit weird and awkward

>>171170542
If it hasn't been programmed as part of a functioning roguelike it's unequivocally shit.

>>171170796
>kind of gets overwritten if only the best attacks ever get used
Not if the variance was high enough.
If you rolled really low on the Dickpuncher mace, you'd get a jackboot kick or tentacle slap.
>also having different time costs that the player has little/no control over is a bit weird and awkward
OK, that's a problem. Not sure what to do here.

>>171170908
Dorf Fortress has something similar and DF in adventure mode is a roguelike.

>>171170542
>"best" picked automatically
sounds like some low headroom no brainer otabfest ala Dung Crap: Shit Stew

>>171170991
if the variance is too high then you risk the optimal strategy just being "grab as many shitty weapons and extra limbs as you can, ONE of them will probably roll high"

then again that could be sort of cool, with the player's power progressing not from finding better loot but from mutating more and more tentacles to slap shit with and hands to hold crappy daggers in

>>171171005
Most roguelikes depend more on your setup than selecting specific melee attacks.
For example, PCB monks, DCSS everything melee, Brogue everything melee.

Here you'd have to design the character rather than pick each attack. For example wear spiked gloves (better punch but worse weapon attack), buckler (weak punch but good defense) or nothing (better accuracy).

>>171171191
What if the variance was partly shared by similar parts or parts in some category?
Say, one major variance rolled for body part, then minor ones for every attack in it. So a leg gets +/-30%, but kick and knee both only +/-10% after that.

Though it does sound a bit complex and tentacle rape monster could be a valid (if gimmicky) way to play a game.

Well, it looks like clouded ninja'd a certain someone out of their first warrior mage win on the ladder. Bad form, man, bad form. Also balrog is baby mode, play real races please.

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>>171174306
calle tier post

>in random volcano dungeon
>kill nar the dwarf
>He drops ring of dwarves

Is that hard coded like smeagol and the one ring?

>>171175295
Yeah but any dwarf unique can drop it.

>>171161126
Are there any roguelikes that actually use D&D style dice rolls to calculate hit/block chance?

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>>171174958
I'll show you Calle-posting

>>171176286
sil

>>171176286
incursion is heavily based on the dnd system

>>171176298
Will never understand why quentin hates nintendo portables so much.

>>171177030
He prefers the vita, although he'll never admit it.

>>171176298

>talking to women

opinion discarded

>>171177991
You mean
>talking to women in /rlg/

>>171178016
Women in /rlg/ are of the least bad kind: they're all male.

>4chan doesn't let me post archive.com links

http://derpy.me/T74n7

Read this and then go play DDA.

>>171179319
It didn't sound very DDAistic, but then
>live in cave
>biggest problem is electricity
>wants to avoid noise from generators
>use bicycle+alternator
This is getting comfy

>>171179798
Just imagine that the people are actually Zs. >can go outside only when it's night
>plants a small blueberry orchard
>stream down the cave for clean water

>>171179884
>Just imagine that the people are actually Zs.
Knife spear

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It's so sad.

>>171179935
Just imagine that the people are actually the evolution to Hulks PK added in his mod, and you can't use martial arts and have modded out survival gear.

O pseudoposchengband-R gods, please just set sell limit caps of all stores to 30k gold (or enable it as a birth option).

>>171180056
I'd remove sell limits altogether.

>>171180001
Dig holes fucking everywhere

>>171180139
>dig holes
That would arouse the suspicion of the Zs hordes though

>>171178149
Nothing wrong with that

/rlg/ drinks soy milk!
/rlg/ is healed back to page 0!

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LIVE

>>171183167
>playing QFtU
Wherefore

>>171183610
I enjoy cheesing Enchanters. Unhappily, the UI is incredibly terrible so I stopped playing several months ago.

>>171179798

Electricity is the least of your worries while living in a cave

>>171186125
clearly, you haven't read the whole thing.

>>171179319
I wish I was living in a cave.

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Have you found any good randarts today, /rlg/?

>>171190084
A pair of antennae grows on your head! The +2 helmet "Pewiss Lish" {*Contam rF+++ rC++ rCorr} falls away! You feel fantastic !

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>>171190763
>drinking benemut

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gotta go fast

also check em repeating digits

>>171191054
I don't know what's worse, that you don't know what dubs are, that you think 60 K turns as a 3-rune Mi is fast, that you are trying to check something that doesn't exist or that you posted this here.

>>171191262
>1 hour to 3 rune
>not fast
get your stick out your ass

Is Cata DDA dead? Site's been down for days.

>>171191262

1. its about realtime not turns
2. repeating digits meant turn score
3. kill yourself retard

>>171191472
just cache the page.

>>171180056
Good idea, actually.

>>171191262

This. Otabbing with a minotaur is not in the very least interesting or even postworthy. You need to spoiler that filth

>>171193656

lets see your 1 hour realtime win fuckboy

>>171169762
What would a rewarding lategame look like, in your view?

>>171193829
Chill boyo, your 2int brain can't handle all this salt.

>>171193829

You don't even have a 1 hour realtime win. That's 1 hour AND 49 seconds noob.

>>171191472
https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/issues/20547

Hey guys, I mentioned a couple weeks ago my Dreamhost hosting was probably going down since they raised it to $70 and I've not got a lot of spare cash this year and suggested folks start migrating over anything that wasn't moved yet, I guess it might have been. Actually kind of figured everything was already moved away to be honest so I didn't worry about it too much. If you guys want a copy of the last db dump or something let me know and I'll see what I can do about grabbing one

>>171176286
Doesn't every single *band do that?

>>171195025
>Been travelling the world for the past 6 months with no job. It's been awesome.

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>>171161126
Summoners are kind of fun. Any advice for how to get this char to survive? I've only ever won once, it was a 3 rune formicid fighter.

>>171195635
also is guardian golem worth it? I recall it being not that useful and actually sometimes harmful due to the exploding thing

>>171196516

Guardian golems are the best summons of early game summoners though.

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>find an early amulet of regen
>win
devs pls remove

First Hepli-something win, using Polearms and a Knight ancestor works wonders.

>>171198421
how do you feel?

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>>171198605
Empty.
just kidding I still haven't won every species and every god yet

>>171198671
>offline
doesn't count

>>171199003
>heh offline wins don't count
Nice meme.

>>171199103
They really don't.

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>>171200207
Of course, beating a game doesn't count unless you do it online.

>>171200414
Well... yes.
The temptation to savescum is too great, anon.

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>>171200917
For you and the other fools who post that tired meme, probably. Do you also feel the need to cheat in every other game?
I've played roguelikes for nine years on and off, starting with NetHack, and not once have I savescummed.

>>171200414
Well, yes. That's how it works. Have you not been paying attention?

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>weird guy in starting town actually has one of the most powerful swords in the game

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>>171200414
I miss the "showing them online" meme.
Even the more cancerous reincarnation - "fags got told".

>>171170542
>then the best (by some measure) attack is picked automatically

I was going to make fun of you for your overcomplicated system where one choice would obviously be better than the others, but then I read the last entry and I have to wonder what your thought process is.

>>171201536
>I've played roguelikes for nine years on and off, starting with NetHack, and not once have I savescummed.

I don't believe you.
You're lying.
LIAR
LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE

>>171203961
I know I used "variance", which is a hard word for non-whites with no education, but you should learn some basic statistics even if just not to suck at roguelikes.

>>171203339
Just throw a grenade at it or something
isn't that how elona works

>>171204392
If you don't kill him in one turn he activates Ragnarok, which summons random fire pillars, summons etherwind, and summons a bunch of lichs, dragons, and titans to fuck your shit up.

>>171204328
Why should I want choices if I'm not the one making the choices? What's the point?

>>171204651
Ah so, you just dump a nuke on him.
Pretty expensive for a sword.

>>171191482
speedruns in general are dumb but realtime speedruns are the dumbest of all
just run qw on a local machine and get 5-minute speedruns or something

>>171196516
you must remember that, since the summon cap is 1, summoning a new one makes the older one disappear
so if your guardian golem is about to blow up somewhere inconvenient, just resummon it before it does to completely bypass the whole explosion thing

>>171204758
Come on anon, let him have this.
He's probably as dead inside as we are.

>>171204701
Actually the wiki recommends throwing alcohol at him from a distance so he pukes himself to death

>>171200414
Webtiles wins also don't count. You need to beat the game with an honest ssh connection.

>>171204695
For cool auxiliary attacks, like what DCSS had before you started playing it.
So that you can actually benefit from leaving a free hand to punch stuff offhand.
So that you can equip boots of kicking and benefit from them without having to press 'k' every second attack. Or mask of biting or tentacle pack of slapping.
So that the otabing is more interesting than "you hit" and instead is "you execute that inaccurate attack against this slow enemy", "you hit the prone enemy with this very inaccurate attack", "you torch this icy dude, but stab that fiery dude on the next turn instead of doing the opposite".

>>171204993
How anti-climatic.

>>171198421
>devs pls remove
Shhh! They might actually do it!

>>171205336
Such a shame that you're too much of a pathetic loser to actually code up this system.

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>>171206093
anon that is 2rood

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>>171206093

Okay I'm sleepy in Elona and I swear to god there's a way to get the Innkeeper to let me use a bed for sleeping but there's no option when I'm talking to her. Can I just plop down on one of the beds without paying?

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>>171206093
I actually implemented harder systems than this and have a good idea on how to implement this one.

How pathetic do you have to be to try to boost your ego by projecting?

>>171206624

Why do you have to pay for your bed? Only niggers do that

>>171195158
Isn't that the guy that added in fur suits?

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Man, PK added some interesting monsters.

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>>171206093
No bully innocent anons!

>>171206624
yeah you can use beds you don't own no problem
hell, you can even sleep in the king's bed in palmia for MAXIMUM GOODDREAMS

>>171206743
GlyphGryph is the fursuit "hey /rlg/" guy.
The traveling guy looks unrelated to DDA.

>>171206701
Huh, guess I don't need to pay...

>>171207165
>GlyphGryph is the fursuit "hey /rlg/" guy.

That's not true.

I'd post the pic, but I formatted my computer in rage.

>>171207434
Shit, you're right.
It's DarklingWolf - I just checked the git log.

>>171204701

Don't do this, your reddit karma would also get nuked

>>171207650
Funny, I never found the actual commit by looking it up on github.

So in Elona+ I assume getting your weapon hardened gives it another +x to the damage roll, but what does hardening your armor give you in regards to the armor? If my breastplate is +1 does it give me more DV? PV? Both? Neither?

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>When you feed the machine gods so many blobs they accept you as a true bneliever and let you bask in their light
Magnificent.

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Actually I know he's not meant to look like a cat, but he just looks like he has a cat head. Evoking fishtail and running.

>>171209357
Both DV and PV. I think it also gets multiplied to a slightly higher number depending on your armor skill (light, medium, heavy)

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>>171209663
Now to grab the rune and probably run into the Lernaean Hydra in the way.

>>171208294
Github search system is fucking trash, it manages to miss obvious strings that you input exactly as they appear in the code.
I use gitk on local repo for commits and grep for strings. It's actually less work to clone a repo and grep in it than to bash own balls with a hammer by trying to use github search for it.

>every time I craft I get a prompt that there's a turret approaching
Screw this, I'm wizmoding myself a floorlight when this thing used to stand.
I thought you could selectively ignore enemies now.

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No, seriously, the roses are single-handedly the most dangerous enemy in the swamp.

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>Play Hound
>Arthur drops Excalibur
>Nearby Hellblade drops Excalibur Jr.

Thanks,. I suppose. I guess it's good for reforging.

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I'm just glad one of these bastards was around.

>>171210540
Why are you still leveling long blades? And yes they are

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>>171211224
I have an electric triple sword lying around, I just don't swing it fast enough but I'd like to eventually.

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>>171210704
Alright, evolved into Aether Hound.
However, I feel like I could try to re-evolve into Hound of Tindalos with my !New Lifes.

Worth the shot? My current life rating and max stats are pretty shoddy, anyway.

>>171193829
fucking retard

>>171210193
Some of the DDA source files are literally so large that github won't display them all.

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My second second rune get! Last time I went full mong and splatted in Elf 3. Now do I go try my luck there again, or do I proceed onto Vaults?

>>171212912
Always dive elf
fuck LCS

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>>171212740
Worth it.

>>171209663
He's a rakshasha, he's totally a cat dude

REEEEEEELEASE THE DEMON BUILD YOU FAT FUCKING FAILURE FERRET

>>171214357
this
i want to play a new version so i can release some dank ghosts
i'm holding off from playing an older version bec. it's easy for me to get tired of playing demon

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This is nice.

>>171215471
Same

If I play old versions too much, my demonlust will be sated and I won't be in the mood to immediately binge play the new version when it comes out

Besides, I've won this version several times already and my 'can only have 1 demon summoned at a time' challenge runs are just exercises in misery

If you could add one stupid gimmick race to crawl, what would it be?

Precipitation race for me; higher satiety turns it to steam and speeds it/increases ev and damage, lower satiety turns it to ice, slowing it and decreasing ev and penalizing damage. High speed food clock, can only subsist on corpses or "eating" scrolls for heat.

ded

>>171220874
Nigger race, if you pass over an item he will always attempt to take it.

>>171220874
>If you could add one stupid gimmick race to crawl, what would it be?
Dude what if enemies that move as fast or faster than the player could at any time randomly take extra free turns? Haha wouldn't that be wacky

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>Start shadowboxing the turret for mad melee and unarmed gainz
>actually destroy it with the power of FIST

>>171222473
>hit but do

>>171221704
That's not how it works.

>>171220874
An Orc, except, get this, it's made of LAVA.

>>171223134
wait wait wait
what about a minotaur
made of ICE

>>171223274
That's a stupid idea.

WHERE IS THE TRANSLATION FOR ELONA 1.65 AND 1.66 ALL THE ADVENTURE SEMINAR STUFF IS UNTRANSLATED

>>171220874
Deep Minotaur.

In exchange for great base stats and very high apts across the board, you slowly forget the map, you can't ctrl+f things (or you can only get the floor they're on, not their location), and you permanently suffer from mild confusion, where any your actions are only successful 80% of the time.

>>171226460
>20% failrate on everything
>mild

>>171226784
it's just a 33% chance, anon.

>>171223332

Crawl is a stupid idea

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This thing looks neat

>>171227543
wat gam

>>171224061
LEARN JAPANESE

ANNABANANA COULD, WHY CAN'T YOU

>>171228016
CDDCSS

>>171227543
Make sure you remove those bionics before you abandon that character.

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>>171228016
Left 4 dead

>>171229001
wait ponyposter why are you playing dda

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>>171229238
Because I'm broken

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>page 10

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>>171231773
Shit idk why but this is retardedly funny

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>page 10

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>>171163573
Steam Marines, easily. What a fucking waste of time and money that was.

>>171169135
I'd agree with this. Dredmor is very accessible for introducing people to real RLs (as opposed to stuff like BOI/FTL), but kinda falls apart after you can look at it with a more seasoned eye.

>>171231773
doot

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>page 1

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>>171237253

>2 potions of experience on D:6

it's going to be embarrassing as fuck when i splat this HaHu

>>171237253
What the hell happened to ice fiends

>>171237253
>opens door
>sees this
>closes door

>>171214357

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>that one god in Elona who is tsundere for the player character

>>171228656
CDDKYS

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Demigod duelist: done!

I'm glad it's over. That targeting on kills makes it nigh unplayable, but the damage, the damage is stupendous. It's definitely not a nice and easy beginner combo, though. Almost makes me regret having ever suggested it in the first place.

>>171239687
grat

>>171237173
>this art style
You can just tell at a glance that it will suck.
It's like Dredmor had a pityfuck baby with Risk of Rain.

>>171239320
le kys meme xD
such reddit very cancer

>>171240162
>Dredmore

but it's not cartoony and full of the most twee Terry Pratchet-esque memes about aluminum tubes and clockwork knights you can imagine?

>>171242171
Did you play Dredmor?
Level 3 looks incredibly similar to that screenshot

>>171242171
Oh also speaking of Dredmor, I just checked up on Clockwork Empires (Settlers style early access game) and apparently Gaslamp Games shit itself and died back in January.

Making their own game engine from scratch probably didn't help things.

>>171242697
>Making their own game engine from scratch probably didn't help things.
Remember that time someone though
>let's actually write everything from scratch and not fuck up really hard and waste lot of money and time
and actually managed it?

I think dude's name was Carmack, back then when he wasn't known too well.

>>171243025
The Natural Selection 2 developers managed it. Though NS2 was ultimately in development for like 7-8 years and ended up being kinda disappointing and unfinished last I played it.

>>171243330
>The Natural Selection 2 developers managed it.
No, they didn't.
The managed to release it in the end, but they didn't manage any of
>not fuck up really hard
>not waste a lot of money
>not waste a lot of time
Their engine was horrid, slow as fuck, required some weird "optimization" pre-load thing that took more time than loading assets alone and didn't excel in anything.

NS2 is probably a best example of why you should not write own engines: it is actually finished and you can point out all the problem it has to the oh-so-eager nu-devs who think that "foundations" are more important than they really are.

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>>171243025

>>171243835
Magic
Number
Bullshit

I don't believe you sometimes, Mister Carmack

I swear if I die in a violent way I will yell "AAAARRRGGGHHH!!!"

>>171238384
If you're talking about Lulwy, that is a yandere, not a tsundere.

>>171245482
I swear if I see you die in a violent way I will say "What a noble sacrifice!"

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>>171246117
That's a pretty good one. I'm not even mad or anything.

>>171245482
A BROKEN BACK RENDERS ME GRACELESS
I AM DEAD
AAAAAARRRRRRRGGGGGHHHH

>>171245482
>Stop, you brute!

>>171246043
im talking about Jure

>>171245482
I swear that one day I will retire (commit suicide).

>>171246737
Time for the end of patioence.

TROG IS THE ONLY TRUE GOD
WORSHIP HIM AND YOU WILL NOT REGRET IT

>>171248552
*summons berserked brother in arms around u*

I unironically like PCB's virtue system.

>>171248552
*casts silence*
*walks away*

>>171250835
You walk your own road in life.

>Ghoul Necromancer
>Ridiculously tanky for my level
>Confuse enemy skelly for my own
>It one hit kills me
I don't even. Anyway to make ToME playable? I can't deal with the visual clutter.

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>>171251580
>Anyway to make ToME playable?

>>171251580
Always acquire skill

HEY I HEAR YOU CAN BOUNCE A QUARTER OFF SHENA'S ASS. HOW DOES SHE KEEP IN SUCH GOOD SHAPE!?!?!?

>>171252915
Squats, and a pact with oatsatan.

>>171237253
>And a partridge in a pear tree

>>171243835
>>171244998
It's not actually Carmack's code, though.

>>171243025
Comparing people to Carmack is really unfair though.

>>171251580

wear a +6 (six) ring of intelligence

>>171251580
>how do I make ToME bearable
Don't play ToME

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man I wish AC2 would come out soon.

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>Lab start, broken cyborg
>kill turret with crossbow, prepare top floor for living
>bologna and blueberry jam runs out, no food
>homewreckers can't bash concrete walls (if you only have 15 Strength)
>rest up, collect gear (except machete, which I stupidly forgot), teleport out
>head south for twenty minutes, reach a campsite I knew was there
>first thing I find is a motorcycle that only needs gas, is otherwise driveable
>next thing is a fully functional tent
>after that it's pic-related
City size 3, distance 6 is great and comfy. City size >= 4 is cancer. Not ponyposter btw

>>171255023
City size 16 is best.
It's like a giant suburb filled with angry black people.

>>171255145
Your taste is trash. Do u even innawoods?

>>171255145
Feels like home, huh?

>>171255227
>le innawoods
M'reddit

>>171255828
tumblrfag detected

>>171255828
y innawoods is gud
>relax all day reading
>go out on adventures to the city for ingredients and materials, so you can make some of the things you read about
>play with weird-science inventions, like guns that turn wildlife into so much pulped flesh
>kill looters that try to raid your house
>don't kill friends with your cancer-aura
y citE lyfe is bad
>spend all day killing zombies
>subside off of boiled toilet water and junkfood
>kill literally everyone because it's too risky to assume them friendly
>only use bows and melee because so much as a .22 will bring down zombies like a plague from an angry God
>go to sleep after a day of fighting normal zombies, and they're hulks and brutes the next day

>>171255023
There is literally nothing wrong with city size 4

>>171255828
Innawoods is a fucking /k/ meme you queer

>>171256976
>live in woods
>make too much noise one night
>giant zombie hoard closes in on you, and you have no escape routes

>>171255828

more like le m'onke

>>171256976
>all day reading
>good
Reading is one of the worst mechanics in DDA

>>171257594

Why?

>>171257719
Tedium

>>171257719
Because it is not automated properly and forces manual breaks.
It would be almost fine if it was about trading a day and food pile for a level in skill or something like that, but having to babysit the character is a pain.

>>171257161
Not objectively, no, but I don't like cities larger than an eight by eight square, and wilderness tends to have more interesting locations anyways.
>>171257497
>close up hut
>go down stairs
>wait them out
How does living in a city mitigate that anyways; you're always under siege, so "giant zombie hoards (sic)" are the norm?
>>171257594
>>171257850
If grinding skills up without reading wasn't even slower and more tedious, you might have a point.

>>171251580
Don't ghouls get a dedicated "lmao never get 1hko'd" skill in their racial tree?

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Why did tummy and awoo posting stop? It was in every thread when I last came here months ago.

>>171257939
Grinding skills is faster (IRL time), takes actual resources and benefits from morale properly.

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>>171258139
Do not shitpost

>>171257719
>hole up in my house or whatever
>grab as much food and water as possible
>read
>read
>read
>eat and drink
>sleep
>read
>read
>read
>eat and drink
>sleep
>repeat

Imagine

Imagine if reading made as much noise as shooting a gun

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>>171257850
>>171257908
>>171258414


>feature that lessens overall tedium
>calls it tedious

Why can't these mentally ill cr*wld*vs stay in their containment website?

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>>171258414
That sounds strangely familiar

>>171258202
>Grinding skills is faster (IRL time)
Really? I've had to grind up Fabrication and Construction a couple times, but I didn't think it was faster IRL than just R->[letter]->alt+tab. It was certainly more boring.
>takes actual resources
Food isn't a resource? Even discounting that, how is this a bonus?
>benefits from morale properly.
That just means that you stop grinding after a few repetitions to raise morale, wait for focus to tick back up (probably by while reading) and start grinding again. At the cost of efficiency, it's less tedious just to read.

>>171258592
Its a poor remedy to the shitty skill system in DDA. If you get a library near your start, you spend 10 hours grinding your dude into a super genius enlightened by their own intelligence. It isn't exactly a fun progression, especially when coupled with how stupidly easy it is to get enough food to last for that amount of time.

>>171258769

You know what isn't tedious? Not playing roguelikes

>>171259092
I beg to differ, sadly.

>>171258730
>I've had to grind up Fabrication and Construction a couple times
PROTIP: Bind the longcraft button and use that.
>Food isn't a resource?
It is a cheap resource of the "early game tier". You don't need to progress from withered lettuce to ultra deluxe burgers (vegan halal kosher).
>Even discounting that, how is this a bonus?
It makes it less tedious because it means that the skill level is gated by uncommon items and not just pure time.
It's less tedious in the same way that playing a game is less tedious than pressing three buttons in same order to make progress bar increase.

>you can lower your health with no-vitamins turned on
>but you can't raise it without a fairly rare CBM
>broken cyborg starts with a CBM that automatically lowers your health until you remove it, at a rate that is unmitigateable even if you didn't turn off vitamins
AAAAHHH
>>171259318
>PROTIP: Bind the longcraft button and use that.
>grind isn't bad, only grinding in a way that I disapprove of
no
>It makes it less tedious because it means that the skill level is gated by uncommon items and not just pure time.
I once found a skillbook that took me to Electronics two (2), and no further. I had more books that could take me from Electronics three (3) to eight (8) but I had to get to three (3) first. So I batch-crafted 8 electric firestarters, disassembled them, and repeated the process about fifteen (15) times, until I reached Electronics three (3). This was not any better than reading a book, and in fact I believe it was worse because it took longer and so I was bored for a longer period of time.

>>171260143
You get more exp for making higher level stuff.

>>171260250
>go into a city, fight dozens of zombies, smash their corpses, loot their bodies, bring back a shopping cart full of relevant materials
>dissasemble some of them for their components
>attempt to craft a recipe that's beyond you, out of a book that could teach you the skill by itself, knowing that you'll likely fail and disintegrate all your parts
>do this multiple times until you level up your skill
>this is somehow just "better" than reading a book

someone can link me to cataclysm++ mod github or latest release?
i know that survivor's station goin to be fixed to have storage last sunday but the forums seems to be down

>>171260573
Hey, I never said it was better than making and dissembling a bunch of batteries wrapped in gum wrappers. I just stated a fact. Reallly though, I really hate how cata's biggest resource spent to gain stuff is real time. Feels real bad.

>>171260671
you know you could just google it
took me less than 5 sec

>>171256976
>Innawood
>not building a death mobile self sustaining house vehicle
do u even mad max

>>171260973
i wouldnt be asking if i could get it myself, but dont bother as im installing it again in another folder with the autoupdater and then goin to download the cata++ form there

>>171254580
I don't like the change from controlling a single tank to a squad of them. I really liked how I could randomly be assigned a rare easy 8 and cherish that tank. Everything else looks good though.

>>171260729

The biggest resource spent to gain stuff in all roguelikes is real time. It feels real bad. Therefore an optimal alternative is to stop playing roguelikes

>>171261696
Not really tho.

>>171261789

Why? You cannot play anything if you do not spend or invest real time.

>>171261856
So like, I can't spend ONLY 10 hours doing the same thing in crawl to win. It'd be like the olden days of scumming d:1 with a MuSu to get to 27 in everything. You eventually have to progress. In addition, you only have a finite amount of other things to spend with your time to progess. I can't get to maximum diesel capacity before lair because I spent 30 hours killing quokkas, there is only a finite number of quokkas to kill before they turn into gold dragons from the timer. I get that you want to be pedantic and say you can't do anything without spending time on it, but there really is a difference mechanically. Its one of the reasons that cata is extremely flawed. Spending 30 hours doing the same thing is objectively faster than progressing by killing the dudes, collecting resources and trying to build skill by using it.

So I looked up the Thieves Guild quest in Elona and it says I have to go 4 months (actually 5) without paying taxes. It says this will give me an instant -60 hit to karma, but I know mine is around 20 right now.
What I want to know is, after I finish the quest can I go to the embassy and pay off my taxes?

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>>171258202
>Grinding skills is faster (IRL time)
Is it actually? I know it's faster (in game time) at low levels because of quick recipes and low exp requirements.
>takes actual resources
Yeah, but you don't make those. You make the things that need thread and scrap (or can be disassembled and reassembled).
>benefits from morale properly
Most things take so long to make that any morale adjustments will wear off before you finish.

I think the books are not very good design either, but fixing it would require a system without 90% of the recipes being useless and 90% of the remaining ones being something you only need one of.

So literally impossible, given what we have now.

>>171262234

>crawl

Why are you comparing apples to cabbages to point out a flaw in something?

>>171263772
Because crawl is a topical example of how you discourage scumming for 30 hours.

>>171262325
You can, but I believe you'll need to evade the guards who will be there. The taxbox there works, it's just that the guards will be hostile.

Also Miral and Garok's workshop sells taxboxes for small medals, but that might be out of your league at the moment.

>>171263772
apples and cabbages actually come from the same family

>>171263851

You shouldn't bring up irrelevant details about a completely unrelated game.

>>171264153
Apple's daddy must have been royally fucking cucked with those smelly, pale children.

>>171264238
But it is both relevant and related.

>>171264548

They aren't. They're only related as roguelikes like how both apples and cabbages are food.

How is reading bad? You still haven't answered this question

>>171264904
And that question would be the apple and cabbage one?

>>171263743
>I think the books are not very good design either, but fixing it would require a system without 90% of the recipes being useless and 90% of the remaining ones being something you only need one of.
I tried to autism up some good alternative skill system to DDA because the current one is crap.
The whole reason some people wrongly think that skill rust is not horrible is strong evidence that the skill system is broken.

I'm thinking something like this:
>leveling skill is a recipe
>you need to gather level-appropriate ingredients, possibly scaled by intelligence
>there can be more than one leveling recipe per level of skill, some can be book-locked

Some skills could stay unaffected. But skills that need either books or pure grinding (as opposed to leveling through actual use) would benefit from this.

Y/N?

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>>171262234
> I can't get to maximum diesel capacity before lair

>>171265645

>+1 flail

try going out of that noob bait no brainer branch, dive Depths and see what happens

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>>171265645
>gargoyle posting
Try playing a real race and then we'll talk.

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>>171265993

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Are moon gates in Elona+ currently broken or something? Every moon gate just gives me a blank list.

>>171267258
Server is dead. So chat and moongates don't work.

>>171265161
>>171264904
Just eliminate the skill system altogether and retain recipes. Skill leveling is nothing but a time sink.

>>171268272
That's crawlish.
Very crawlish.
But might just work.

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>automapping
Huh.

>>171267440
ded forever?

>>171268272

It's a good thing that you tumors are contained in Crawl

>>171268341
>>171268558
If you want to retain grinding for whatever stupid reason, make it easier to create an item the second, third, fourth, fifth time you make it. Reading is bad-dumb.

>>171268482
Someone made an alternate server, no idea if there's anyone actually using it though, so moongates might still not have anything.
>>>/jp/16700606

>>171268669

Roguelikes are bad-dumb so I don't see your point

Maybe some people like pressing the skinner button over and over again.

>>171268558
complexity is bloat
content is gameplay
UI is bling

>>171269371
>reading makes the game more complex

No, it makes the game more timeconsuming. These are not the same thing.

>>171269484

Games are timeconsuming, therefore they should be removed.

>>171269615
I bet you think scummy mummy was fun and interesting.

>>171269869

I bet you think roguelikes are fun and interesting

>>171270025
You are correct senpai

>>171250835
A bold risk indeed!

>pcb doesn't have hermaphrodites yet

Have I got the perfect way to make your fork stand out, floatrand...

>>171272151
No need for those.
Futas with big futa balls would fulfill most of the roles of hermaphrodites except insemination (because they're female) and pcb doesn't have any insemination anyway.

>>171272151
Slug race would be probably interesting, but I'd have to figure out the mechanic/niche.

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>>171272707

>>171272410
So you're telling me pcb features sterilization and breeders but no insemination? Where's the logic here?

Is fishing in Elona+ automatic? My character usually stands around but sometimes he jumps up and down with an (!) over his head and I don't know if that means I have to press a certain button or something. Every fish attempt has yielded nothing so far, but maybe it's because my fishing is only at 1.

>>171272707
being able to swap between sexy and lucky at will
or if that's too niche allow swapping between any "masculine" personality and any "feminine" personality at will

>>171272807
cute

>>171272410
>except insemination (because they're female)
/d/ would like to have a few words with you.

>>171228892
I'm certain I will die before that. I have hordes, PK and permawinter/ no survivor enabled, I don't think I've ever survived a char with those settings long enough to get to the good PK lategame areas.

>>171273872
>/d/ would like to have a few words with you.
Nu-/d/ maybe
Old /d/ who knows their shit understands that futa semen is inert

>>171273926
>futa semen is inert
>not being able to NTR some goof with pregnancy involved

Old /d/ is shit, apparently.

>>171273926
>Old /d/ who knows their shit understands that futa semen is inert
Not really, anon. There's charts and in-depth anatomical drawings and pages of description
I think you underestimate /d/'s 'tism.

>>171273143

Automatic. Make sure you bought the cheapest bait so you can only focus on training it without wasting reso. It's ok even if you catch literal garbage.

>>171274000
That's nu-/d/ shit and bad, inconsequential autism.
And if you mean the ones where castrated herm futa has ovaries serving as testicles, that's full retard mode and should be embarrassing to anyone whose fetish is less retarded than inanimate tf.

>>171274152
>That's nu-/d/ shit and bad, inconsequential autism.
>If I don't like thing, thing is wrong

Anon, I think you might have a spot of the 'tism yourself

>>171274087
Cool.
Do you know how to find the werewolf in Vernis? I was fishing and a guard got rekt right in front of me and I jacked his golden flute

>>171274205
My autism is of the logical, science-driven kind. It encompasses ideals such as understanding, consistency and empiricism.
I am a neurotypical "autist".

Nu-/d/ autism is of the furry, juvenile kind. It is driven by perceived need to avoid accusations of homosexuality, need to get off right now and sometimes even immature political motivations.

>>171274557
>My autism is of the logical, science-driven kind

alright now I know you're joking

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>>171273730
While walking I did entertain idea of importing the character archetype from shoot'em'up 'ESPgaluda' , where characters swap gender when they enter a kakusei-mode for scoring/survival purposes.

It would probably be more of a psionic class rather than a race, though.

>>171274616
Akshuly, even though I am joking, I am also speaking the truth.

>With the new construction mechanics you can just disassemble and rebuild beds to get from 4 to 5 fabrication and tailoring
Wunderbar.

>>171274538

I dunno, just pretend it doesn't exist. Treat them like moongates

>>171274557
>blinks behind you
>wields a - the autumn katana
>the autist shouts, "Nothin personel kid."

>>171275195
Remember back when any crafting increased the skill, not just the highest level recipes? You could actually level up from just crafting things you needed, instead of needing to practice a specific item.

>>171276395
>Remember back when any crafting increased the skill, not just the highest level recipes?

Yeah, I remember making a point about anyone being able to cook water for a day and getting 9 levels of cooking to craft mutagen the day after if he started in a LMOE.
It was retarded.

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>>171255145
>>171255227

>>171266336
I've almost finished my fanatic^Che achievement. Need two more games.

>>171265993
I tried to do DUHZ once... Got the runes, went to Zot:5 and THEN got banished by an alich through MR+++. Still won, of course, but no achievement for me.

What are your favourite roguelites? Mine are Elona, DCSS and PCB. I sure love posting about them on /lite/ where they belong!

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>>171278317
I see 'strayans are returning home from their spider pits/kangaroo ranches/illegal emu fight rings

>>171278530
Those dastardly people on /rlg/ with their complex games that actually require skill and have strict criteria for what their games are, god I hate them. In fact I might just go on /rlg/ to spam some screenshots from my bullshit kiddie game to spite them!

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>>171278692
Why are you so mad?
Caught a lethal jellyfish in your trunks when swimming?
Fucked up by some terrible bird?
Internet prices up again?

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>>171278692

>>171162190
if you do please link a upload of the latest version pls

>>171277985
Hey thats pretty good. What are you missing?

>>171279839
Ko and Gl. Now on Gl, will go for 15 — got a pretty awesome character.

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>>171280038
Good luck anon. My heart goes with you.

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>got ether disease
FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK I HATE THIS SHIT

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>>171280245
Thanks!

>>171280254
Rev up those blackjack skills, anon.

>>171280514
More like wait for mewmew lucky day

>>171256976
what if I like living like a rat, hoarding food and junk in my boarded up dirty rat hole in the middle of a city where everything wants to kill me