/domg/ - Dominions general

is there any non meme game recruiting?

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>>171015269
>false-flagging
I need a Niefel version of that image.

Also repeating from the previous thread, regarding indie provinces:

@Sauro:
Going (19), you can have (14).

@Mictlan:
Going (134), you are already too close to my cap for my liking.

as someone whos trying to get into this game. what would /domg/ recommend

>>171030162
Reading the manual and watching videos

and 800 hours of single player. have fun :^)

>>171030162
Don't waste much time in sp. Learn the controls, the basics and test some nations there, then go play mp. You can even host a game as a newb because it's really not hard. Just make sure score graphs are off

>>171030162
do this >>171032131

then do a quick read of the manual, start trying out expansion phase(upto first 15 turns) of some nations you like; then either make a multiplayer game or wait in the thread for someone to create it.

before joining a multiplayer game ask what is a good pretender design for the nation you've chosen. you can always learn more abou the nation day by day, but pretender creation will stick to you until the end of the game

>>171030162
Make a lot of friends in communities. You'll learn a lot from fighting them then asking them ho they beat you. I've probably doubled my steam friends by adding everyone I played with on steam.

Step one of Operation: Remove Fish has been a success

>171027763
You know you can just, like, ignore it, right? It's not like Xibalba's going to attack everyone that doesn't succeed in their quests.

>>171033797
remove fish remove fish
the ocean is not for FISH

>>171036086
fish are food not friends

AT disciples game when?

How would you distribute the teams?

>>171025803
This one? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maya_Hero_Twins

>>171041263
AT?

>>171042306
Oh sorry slipped my head, meant Archea.

>>171037667
that's sexist as fuck, little suzy(male) there should be able to do math however her female brain wants!
>>171029142
lemme check my turn, because there's a province that if I don't take it I'm cut off from a shit load of land

>>171041263
>>171043087

Doing a bad job of explaining this. Basically:

Pantheon Wars
Every pantheon on a disciple team so it's a thematic disciple game. Maybe give each Pantheon an underwater nation. It would be horribly imbalanced, but probably a lot of fun

>>171046717
so basically a disciples game with all three ages of a nation on teams?
>>171029142
that's fine, so long as Yomi doesn't expand into it as well.

>>171046898
That sounds pretty cool too actually. Only nations that have survived all 3 ages get to duke it out? My money would be on Pan

But no I was referring to the map Archea where every EA nation has a designated starting capital and are grouped by their pantheon. So essentially Nordic nations vs. EAstern nations vs. Greco Roman nations vs. South American vs. etc.

>>171047986
>But no I was referring to the map Archea where every EA nation has a designated starting capital and are grouped by their pantheon. So essentially Nordic nations vs. EAstern nations vs. Greco Roman nations vs. South American vs. etc.
Let's figure out how we'd divide the nations into teams

>>171048235
Hmm I think it would be good to start with team sizes, on paper 2 per team sounds like a good number.
>Kailasa & Lanka
>Helheim & Vanheim
>Bats & Aztecs
>Fomoria & TNN

Seem fairly obvious but there are others that make it hard to pair

>>171047986
All Tomorrows was actually suggested as a 10 teams of 3 on Archaea - but teams were going to be drafted.

Yes this did mean people would be seperated. For actually pre-drafting teams you'd need to be *very* careful to keep scales/bless desire etc in mind.

I'll give a rough draft in an hour or so though, if people are interested.

>>171052280
>Helheim and Vanheim

This is untenable, due to Niefel's location. IMO teams of 3 work just as well, you'd simply have Niefel/Van/Hel.

Lanka/TC/Yomi are close enough (Ports!) to work too, though Kailasa may fit better in the long run. I can verify the Lanka/TC/Yomi is a good team comp to have though.

>>171052584
RIP Kailasa

>>171052584
>>171053078
I was actually thinking that maybe it should be TC/Lanka/Kailasa and have Yomi/Agartha/?? as a cave team

>>171053078
Helheim/Niefelheim/Vanheim is an obvious first

This means that unless we want to make multiple UW nations on the same team (which I think is boring) R'lyeh needs to either be linked to Agartha, Yomi, or the Fomoria/TNN set up. While Agartha might be more flavorful in some sense, a team of R'lyeh/TNN/Fomoria is more reasonable given the map and scale/bless consideration.

Teams of Ulm/Marverni/Sauro and Pan/Arco/Ermor can round up the rest of Europe, though dividing the teams up as Ulm/Marverni/Ermor and Pan/Arco/Sauro is likely better for not condemning people to an instant war with the Heims (the latter set up gives options).

I'm much less sure about Asia in general, though the last member of the Mictlan/Xibalba team would reasonably either be Oceania or Atlantis.

>>171055071
Yomi/Agartha/R'lyeh might work well if the squids had a cave entrance added to their capital - say to 10 (while also making that into a water province)

Doing so does force a team of TC/Caelum/Kailasa though. TC is honestly the problem child of the bunch, since what they want from a bless ideally no one else around them is interested in.

Does flaming arrows work with caelum's frost bows?

I love ichtyids!

Which nations have recruitable berserkers? There's Marverni, Pangea in all ages, Vanheim in at least middle and late...Any others?

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>>171063175
Sorry, my spoon doesn't have room for more.

>>171057962

it should, but let's double check.

does the blood spell reinvigoration affect the entire sabbath?

>>171057962

The Fire 9 blessing seems to work on the frost bows, as does Flaming Arrows. At the very least, the "icons" for both of those effects appear on the unit screen in battle.

>>171064787
It will affect all the slaves, but only the master who cast it.

Any of the rest of you still playing?

do I break the siege and attack, or risk doing nothing hoping for them to enter the breached fort?

>>171070215
Break siege. If the enemy is good, they'll screw you over for sitting inside.

Unless you're running headfirst into EQ or RoS, or have reinforcements on the way.

You can also take advantage of the fact that you have two chances to fight, and break siege with a dude to burn gems and then potentially have the enemy army not have all of its spells when it storms

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wooow ulm, nice job sending your fucnkgn pretender to the deathmatch

>>171075665
did he win?

>>171075775
yes
riley's guy horror marked him though

>>171070215
do you have RoS or EQ?
is time your friend?

if not you should break.

please note that immobile pretenders can't break the siege if i recall correctly.

>>171070215
Like all things in dominions it depends. As
>>171072829
>>171078968
said you should probably break if you have a chance of winning, but honestly sometimes that isn't always the best case.

A personal favorite of mine is if you're a fire heavy nation with F2 lab rats [spolier]Mari[/spoiler] you can stay behind your walls and force your enemy to go through the narrow gate and deal with fire elementals.

Also sometimes by just stalling your enemy by having the fort stuffed your army plays its role. Just remember don't break if you can't win.

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>keep getting my early expansion cucked by surprise indies with mages
Jesus fuck, how these non-throne indies got flaming arrows?

>>171084160
Get memed ;^)
We researched it years ago and were waiting for someone to step in here to destroy his virgin butthole.

Enjoy getting gangbanged by your neighbours HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

>>171084160
>>171084496

Soon... SOON my underground friend MWAHAHAHAHA

>>171084496
>>171084657

reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

>>171030162
Read the manual. Join a blitz after playing for a few (dozen) hours in SP. Ask for advice. Also, pick a few nations and stick to them when you're starting out. Try and learn them fairly well first before branching out. I'd suggest any of the primarily human nations.

Oh, and if you're not recruiting mages as often as you can, you're doing it wrong.

What's a good pretender for Abysia (any age)?

What's a good pretender for all nations (any age)?

>>171087382
>>171087487
erf snek

>>171087382

Early, anything with an N9Ex, because Burning Ones are ridiculous.

Mid and Late, expander or imprisoned scales, maybe with a couple variety minors to break you into less burny paths.

>>171087545
Erf snek is good, that's a given. I think there was a blitz where everyone was a variation of snakes.

>>171087556
Danke. I actually haven't spent much time with early age, how ridiculous are we talking about?

>>171086984
>Oh, and if you're not recruiting mages as often as you can, you're doing it wrong.
Generally good advice, but it's important to remember that it's not always true.

Missing out on mage recruitment for a better expansion is worth it early on.

Later on, most nations need a decent mix of troops and mages. If your net income isn't high enough to max out mage production and still get a decent number of troops, you'll need to put at least some gold on things that aren't mages.

>>171087761

They're Prot 18 base with Berserker 3, four attacks per square with built in Fire Shield. That means they can waltz through pretty much any EA indie without being blessed. With N9Ex, they're one of the very few sacreds that can put up a decent fight against their gold cost in N9E9 Niefel Giants.

>>171088105
Sadly taking such a bless means that unless you end the game by early year 3, you pretty much garunteed lose.

EA Abysia requires a magic diversity pretender to work well into late, generally speaking a soul contract build.

>>171089206

Are you dumb? NE are both diversity for EA Abysia since you only get E1. N opens up DA later on.

B that Abysia natively has opens up DS and later on NAE too up to a high level.

With some site searching on your mobile pretender you can get the diversity you need.

>>171089206

Oh yeah. I'd never say "GO TRIBLESS!" or anything, but a single major on an imprisoned isn't going to break the bank.

>>171089464
If you take D with leftover points you get lamia queens for some W.

Can't pretenders go insane in O'rly dominion?

>>171093534
Considering a couple of them have void sanity, maybe?

Test it!

>>171095426
B-but I need that guy.

tldr version: Bats are on their deathbed, Vanheim is about to have game winning 6 thrones.

Dear nations of the world, this is a public service announcement.

I just got elfed by Vanheim this turn, which puts me on the wrong side of a 1v3. I lost 16 provinces this turn, 10 of them to Vanheim. I lost 2/3 of my army the turn before this. 2 of the nations I am fighting were bigger and stronger then me even before this started. I don't think I have any reasonable plan of defence which will work at this point.

I know, I know, now you are thinking: that is great! REMOVE BATS!

However, in 2-3 turns when the bat house of cards folds on itself, Vanheim will be in control of a GAME WINNING 6 thrones.

Thus if you plan on seeing another day without bowing to Nick as the supreme god (again) this is the last chance to act.

Your friendly neighbourhood bats

>>171095709
good riddance
Fuck bats

>>171095709
t. Bats

>>171095709
Lol, you act like I'm getting all 4 of the thrones you own. I'll be lucky to get one.

Throne of knowledge is something Arco wants, and Therados said they're attacking soon (tm).
Throne of Fire I'll ideally take, but it is close to Oceania so might not happen.
Throne of Gaia Ur plans to grab - and they're much closer to it than I am. With them also seiging Agartha's throne that puts them as close to 6 thrones as me.
If you think I'm ever getting even sort of close to the throne of water in friggin mid Africa you need to share what you're smoking.

>>171097340

I am very salty about this situation:

you snowball out of control unopposed, yet I am somehow painted as the world's main villain and dog piled, despite being like #5-6 in size/income.

yeye I know... fuck bats.

And yeah... that throne in the middle of Africa? You need 2 turns to get there.

Shilling for a disciple game. Game is 3v3v3. Currently there are 5/9 players.

http://steamcommunity.com/groups/vanheimageofvidya/discussions/1/135511455873668352/

http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=Ragnorak

Game page is temporary meaning that everything can be changed. If you are interested add me on steam http://steamcommunity.com/id/lukamrko_1/

>>171097803
I guess I must applaud the diplomacy skills which enable you to get away with this stuff.

>>171097340
>I'll be lucky to get one.

do not believe his lies

he always plays himself down

only fools believe him

>>171097803
You're Xibalba with 4/6 claimed thrones. Like, what did you expect?
>>171097895
And fight how many other people? At least Abysia (if anything is left of him), Ur, and Oceania would all object.

You said yourself it's an X vs 1. Unless you plan to move all your forces to only fight the others, I'm not going to get all the spoils.

(Also if I did have the gall to acquire 4 thrones I'd be prepared for all my neighbors to attack me the moment I grabbed the 4th's province.)

>>171098670
Is this why it's called Fourth Turning? Everyone turns on you the moment you claim the fourth throne?

>>171098670
>Also if I did have the gall to acquire 4 thrones I'd be prepared for all my neighbors to attack me the moment I grabbed the 4th's province.)

Spoken like a true diplomancer.

What is a good pretender for r'lyeh?

>>171098670
>Ur, and Oceania
So, we're supposed to believe that your two IRL friends are going to keep you from winning?

>>171099912
Age?
picking another nation is always a good choice

Do temp gem items stack?

>>171100274
Middle ages I guess.

>>171100225
They'll probably put up more effort than Lukas.

>>171098670
It's a good thing I asked all your neighbors what price they demanded too attack you.

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>letting my thread die

>>171100691
Scales

>>171104098
scales + awake

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Shilling for a disciple game. Game is 3v3v3. Currently there are 8/9 players.

http://steamcommunity.com/groups/vanheimageofvidya/discussions/1/135511455873668352/

http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=Ragnorak

Game page is temporary meaning that everything can be changed. If you are interested add me on steam http://steamcommunity.com/id/lukamrko_1/

1 MORE PLAYER NEEDED.

>>171104420
Still looking for 1 more player. I misread a message one message. If interested you can also add me on Discord YoyBoy#5823

>>171104420
I'd join but it's too low-tier for me.

>>171104420
>>171107642
Same for me

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>tfw too ascended to fight pretenders

>>171107642
>>171108459
You scrubs are beneath me even deigning to shit talk you anymore.

>>171097340
>If you think I'm ever getting even sort of close to the throne of water in friggin mid Africa you need to share what you're smoking.

Please to be returning to rightful owner.

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>tfw empowering my diplomancy path

>>171110931
>when you think you've using diplomancy, but the neighbors you were plotting with betray you and you get elfed and the person you were trying to gangbang snowballs to a win

>>171104326
I was messing around with the scales, what are like the optimal ones to get, for R'lyeh that is.

>>171112714
Set temp all the way to one extreme (cold 3 or heat 3) since it goes to only 1 underwater, so that's like 2 free scales.

Then get Order 3, Growth 3 for max dosh, and play around with the rest based on what you plan on using. Magic is nice for your star child lab rats, Luck is nice for yet more money and such, Production can be helpful if you want to use meteorite guards

how do I kill a 500 hp eater of the dead

>>171115124
Insta-kill spells like soul slay or petrify or a lot of size 6 elementals

>>171115124
Cast Disintegrate until he fails a MR check.

>>171115310
did i mention it has a vine shield

>>171115620
No, but it doesn't. It doesn't have hands.

>>171115310
also it has 25 mr

>>171115124
>>171115620
5 air elementals.
Next?

>>171115763
What if someone gave it a copper arm?

>>171115763
but it does, copper arm.

>>171115848
5 air elementals against 500 hp with 3 attacks?

i'm gonna test it, but I don't expect it to be successful.

I'm thinking on the terms of living foo spam.

>>171115763
>he doesn't telebomb with armed monoliths

Can I get a volunteer to set Marverni AI?

>>171116603
What if I want to sub instead?

>>171117178
Works too, but I don't know what all you'll be able to do with it

>>171117440
[email protected]

Will be able to do turn in ~ 4 hours.

>>171118247
Okay. Good luck.

>>171118247
How bad is Marverni doing to need an ai on turn 10

>>171118464
Two stales in a row.

>>171118464
They're dying to bats. And no one is going to help them, because Xib does this stupid roleplay thing.

>>171118754

>giving people missions to distract them from the actual game

4D chess

>>171118754
>>171119006
Xibalba will win the game before turn 40. Screencap this post.

>>171104420
Still looking for 1 guy. Pls join

>>171118754
>>171116579
They're dying to bats? I thought he just staled for no reason. Also...this talk about copper-armed Monoliths is hilarious...and probably not that bad, not that I would ever give up its only misc slot. Also, Monoliths can't teleport. Super disappointing.

>>171120698
>Monoliths can't teleport
They sure can. It's monuments that can't.

>>171120698

Monoliths can ABSOLUTELY teleport. You're thinking of Monuments.

>>171120698
Yes, bats are sieging Marv's cap. How can you even not see that? You're bordering them.

>>171118754
Also, I'm definitely enjoying the roleplay. Although it does have a side effect of making me not want to attack him. It'd be a bit dickish to kill him after all the effort he's put into his poetry.

>>171120917
Really? I swear I've tried to teleport my Monolith before. Goddammit.
Because my scouting network's shit. Also, identify yourself if you're in the game.

What is a good army composition for R'lyeh?

>>171121357
>identify yourself if you're in the game
Cute!
How new are you to mongolian basket-weaving imageboards?

>>171121857
Fuck you.

>>171121857
>>171121990
It's probably Mictlan since they're either the biggest or #2 behind bats and therefore most likely to have scout provinces.

>>171121990
I see what you did there. Point taken.
Maybe the anonymity of domg isn't for me. Send me an in-game message or something though.

>>171118754
>tried talking to Marveni
>no replies
>expect he might want to attack me with troops at my border
>stalling
>dying to bats which are also nearby
>having to fight supercharged bats who is charming everybody in that game by myself
You have 35 minutes to give me a reason not to go AI too. You'll need them.

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thing had 500 hp when i sent to kill it. living earth does nothing

note: sending a regenerating god against a unit with steal strength can create a feedback loop

>>171119175
I called it first.

>>171120917
>Yes, bats are sieging Marv's cap.
I TOLD HIM TO NOTIFY ME IN CASE BATS DO ANYTHING MANY TURNS AGO
AND HE JUST GOES AI

>>171120917
Why aren't Bats banned in games like Ermor sometimes is?
I'd rather fight Emor/Lemuria than Bats.

>>171122235
Is this Niefelheim? I thought you were doing well against bats. He's beating both of you? You could've sent in-game messages and asked for some help, I for one don't want a 30-turn game. Don't set a fucking time limit, I'm not gonna be around for the next couple hours but the turn's due tomorrow. Unless you're just set on going AI and fucking up the game.

>>171123210
>Is this Niefelheim? I thought you were doing well against bats. He's beating both of you?
What? I never fought him.
He just bumped into me during expansion.

>>171122269
Don't use living earth, use water elementals and buff them with quickness.

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>>171103858
hes probably got something going on like this.

>>171122269
>Not naming it Malakal Eater of the Noobs.

>>171123210
>not being familar with the "you have x timeunits to y"-meme
BAKA DESU SENPAI

>>171122082
Not me, pretty sure I haven't posted in this thread at all yet.

Scouts in summod are easy to get, just take an UW province or recruit them as units in your cap. Unless you're Marverni. In which case, you can't, and I doubt anyone will bother fixing it anytime soon.

Also, Sauro - I'm not sure if that message was meant for me, you seem to mention some provinces that I don't even border. Sorry about the bump though.

>>171121636
What age

sending to cast 5 ice / earth elementals against 500 hp didn't work either.

i'm starting to worry a bit

So whats the meta behind trash scales? Is the general idea that if you capture a second capitol early enough it will sufficiently compensate for generally bad scales? How practical is this? Especially if all you can afford is sacreds, you will be hemmoraging money for the upkeep towards the chaff to have the strength to finally storm the cap, unless you can mass ogres or something to that effect. I imagine there would be an awkward stage in a rush strategy where you have destroyed your victims army, but are stuck with a small army, overexpanded front, and only have half of a second capitol under your control.

>>171125115
If you are Mictlan, you can choose when and where to spread your dom, so you can safely run a tribless with somewhat garbage scales, and blood-sac selectively to not get killed.

Most other trash-scales build either have some way of getting units outside of gold, like freespawn, and they often also have popkill that forces them to switch off of a gold economy.

>>171125115
Popkill/freespawn/SKELETONS nations aren't blowing any gold on units, they can take trash scales

Nations that need a big bless sometime have to cut scales to afford it

>>171125378
Yeah freespawn/popkill nations are a bit more intuitive in this regard. Blood sac nations can also yes comfortably run around with sub6 dom.

I was thinking in terms of Niefelhiem. Super expensive sacreds who really like E9N9, but it hurts the scales. The cost of the sacreds offsets their earlygame advantage, so hurting longterm income doesn't play to an immediate weakness for them. However the problem appears where you are left with a small army and no immediate means to storm capitols, even with giants strength, the "armies" are really small and unique.

So maybe you get Hurlers, but now you have this blob of suboptimal units eating up your upkeep. This upkeep, using up resources, and the prinincpal cost of them + your scales, I don't imagine this is worth the extra cap you eventually get.

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It seems I won the game. I guess I should write something.

The game was actually pretty funny. Gath was running a tribless *and* an awake expander. Xib had three blesses as well. R'lyeh went full scales. 4 nations were AI on turn 12 already.

I expanded with Garms, it was alright. Ate Jomon, who decided to attack Gath for some reason, and I accidentally killed his awake dragon. He went AI soon after. I was bordering Ulm as well and obviously wanted to attack them ASAP, but the player went AI too (because of health issues, IIRC). That's how I ended up with 3 capitals on turn 20 or so.

Man and Xib fought each other pretty much for the entire game. R'lyeh joined the fun near the end, but was mostly losing a couple hundred chaff each turn to Man's crossbows. Gath killed Abysia in year1 and made a move against AI Ragha (failed to expand, was running an E9 cold memebuild). They tried to rush thrones but were unable to deal with my mage support skeletons.

>>171126137
Yeah, so basically you put some stuff on their cap that they can't kill, then you take their other provinces. Then you're twice the usual size. You breach eventually or not

>>171126137

It depends. Niefel is kinda a special case, because that bless allows them a very strong early game, and ALSO a fairly strong lategame built on Gygja running on shrouded Skratti turbocommunions. It also works well with their summoned sacreds, makes Shrouds serious business, and is generally good stuff.

Niefel is very much a thug nation.

>>171126589
ah so you just have to roll with having to slow down anyways.

So in terms of being a 3rd party neighbour to Niefel, does this mean they are particularly vulnerable during this siege stage? They have their army split flagging provinces and sitting on the 2nd cap, if you could shut down niefels cap in time knowing they are sieging someone else, man this third party could end up with 3 capitols.

>>171126748
>Niefel is kinda a special case, because that bless allows them a very strong early game
Not seeing it, just slightly beyond expansion phase. You have so few troops on the field that you aren't able to cover much of an area and you need to chose earlygame between infrastructure, mages and more giants.
Their mid and lagegame is smooth again though.

>>171126748
Yeah that sounds like a lot of fun. You mention early game and lategame, does this mean they are most vulnerable midgame?

For early game sieges you wouldn't suggest hurlers?

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ok, liquify from a pretender worker on the eater of the dead once, but it clearly was a lucky shot

air elemntals, as many as 10, failed to kill it. it regens too fast for it.

I am running out of options

>>171123597
>useless
Guts messes up quite a few guys with that crossbow.

>>171127162
I'd suggest not buying hurlers since you're not going to want to do nothing and sit on the castle sieging it regardless. You siege the cap to cut off gold, then you go take other provinces to get huge.

>>171127348
Tons of guys with heat auras to fatigue it out.

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>>171127407
The joke is that its a weapon used by an amputee, like the useless kick.

>>171127539
simply doens't get fatigued.

>>171127532
are any of the giant siege bonus units ever worth it? Like the agarthan hurlers for instance.
I would figure just summoning chaff would be way more efficient.

>>171127547
Ah. Bit obscure that one. The actual reason he can still use it is because bows dont need arms in this game. Dont think any ranged weapons do other than the ones you have to make.

>>171127708
Siege golems are pretty good right?

>>171127539
Don't undead only get spell casting fatigue?

>>171127162

Midgame they're still pretty solid, but other nations will have answers to thugging coming online. And your sacreds are basically thugs, in that one Niefel Giant and a Jarl can kill arbitrary amounts of PD. You can bring the Gygja turbocommunions on by midgame as well, but you're likely to have

>>171127708

It's worth noting that Jotun Hurlers are Str20 with +5 siege bonus. This gives them 9 siege power for 30 gold, which means they're about three times more cost efficient than human troops for sieging stuff. The problem is that they're absolutely fucking useless for anything else, to the point where they'll die to their weight in Indie Light Infantry.

>>171127734
Makes sense considering in dominions archers who would get amputated are unlikely in the first place, and wouldnt be likely to survive long enough to investigate the issue. Its way more likely to see squads of melee units have amputees, and the archers all die or rout and nothing as much in between. Not exactly a game breaking bug, but a bit USELESS

>>171127976

Whups. Got distracted and posted before I was finishing writing the first bit there.

You can bring the Gygja turbocommunions on by midgame as well, but you're likely to have fewer high level spells than most of your opponents, which makes it less useful until you're catching up in research.

>>171128102
I think it has to do with them having a melee attack as well. Dudes with a shield and a crossbow for example wouldnt be able to work if the ranged weapon took arms.

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>>171126174

Here's my god. He's not a tree. Which means he can move (very important) and has air magic (also vital in the age of crossbows). Scales suffered a bit, but with Seithkonas being super cheap, Growth isn't needed as much as early gold from Order to spam Garmhirdings.

Garms are really bad, by the way, and somehow still manage to be the best recruitables Utgard gets. I recruited some Hurlers to crack Jomon's and Ulm's capital forts and suicided most of them storming the latter. But generally, Utgard's troops are crap.

Mages are great though. Seithkonas are among the best mages in game, IMHO, with 85g getting you 3 sorcery paths and 11 research. Skrattis in LA are as good as ever for thugging and Utgard is even better at spamming skeletons in turbocomms than Niefel and Jotun. Nornas are useful for bigger spells like Darkness and Rigor Mortis; moving them around before you get const6 is super slow though.

Anyway, GG and thanks to everyone who kept on playing until the end.

>>171127953
>>171127658
Huh. I'm certain I saw one get fatigued to death once.

>>171127953
Encumbrance 0 is symbolic meaning yes, that you can only gain fatigue through spellcasting. This game is neat in that some numbers are symbolic.

for example: 30 Morale means that the unit will only route when the entire army routs, 50 means the unit cannot route, 99 I think specificies the unit is berserked and is not mindless and yet will never route.

>>171127976
yeah thats the gamble you gotta make, have "efficient" siegers, or have inefficient upkeep sitting around

>>171127856
Is the gimick of this that you divine name this guy and you SC him in order to siege all by himself?

The generic siege supplement to an army can be solved from construction with a gate cleaver that doesnt require late game research.

>>171127953
>>171127658

Nope, you can fatigue undead fine. Enc0 just means they don't generate it in combat. I've had vampires die to fatiguing out on Heat auras before.

Yeah that makes sense, like the MA Man Forester.

I was just thinking about why this "feature" is still in the game. No harm no foul I guess.

>>171128579
I knew I saw it before. I had to fight an eater of the dead as Abysia once and I was shitting myself at the thought of it. When I checked the actual fight it killed a few of my guys and then just sat there and ate hits for the rest of the fight.

>>171128751
heres your (you) >>171128302

>>171128571
oh yeah I don't why I think this but the hard coded (x number of turns) route I think berserkers still follow.

>>171128907

Nope. Berserkers fight until turn limit killed.

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0 fatigue

>>171128974
Like they disintegrate on turn limit?

>>171129021
hes fire resistant + in a cold province.

>>171129212
well, I am testing a battle.

>>171129021

Where's it getting the heat resist from? That's not on the base chassis.

>>171129371
summod

>>171127162
For seige I advise running T3M3, using a revenant focused research, and then spam casting Hidden in Snow for a shitload of pretty sweet undead.

You need a water gem dump anyhow, unless Oceania is in the game and is willing to trade N for W.

>>171131026
I know what im practicing when I get home

>>171129021
pls help

Do flying units have a chance to route to friendly provinces even if they arent adjacent?

>>171127953
I killed a tart once by locking it at 200 fatigue with Pillar of Fire while a bunch of imps worked it down.

>>171134849
No. Won't fly over a river/mountain pass even if they are adjacent (and the border isn't crossable). Welcome to Dominions 4, here's your cup of "Fuk u."

>>171134849
Nope. They also won't retreat across a frozen mountain pass or a thawed river.

>>171116480
Did you test it?

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So besides a root. Does Earth Meld reduce defense or Defense skill at all? I seem to remember it doing so, but the guide just states the following.

Have a war in SP with glamoured units in year 2 starting, and I don't exactly have an evocation based nation but do have strong troops with ambidextrous weapons and arrows. Looking for ways to undermine the glamour and high defense of some of these units.

>>171136775
All roots set def to 0

>>171136775
It does.
Hence why EA Argartha is able to hit anything.

>>171136891
>>171136931

Thanks, I'll probably have to work with massed archers/slingers and melds for the time being, unless there is some easier or more efficient small scaled research path I'm not taking into consideration. I have mages of nearly every type except astral

>>171124338
Middle age, So far I've just been spamming those dudes that mindblast everything

>>171124151
Are you sure you don't?
I moved my troops out of Helheim's capital ring to where we bumped

>>171136072
yes. I put some screen further down the thread

elementals do too little damage to beat it's regeneration

air elementals fare better than the other types, but they merely manage to hold it back until either it autorouts or you manage to pull in some other spells

limiting my options to the pbem i'm testing this for, so far i'm down to luck: crit a mr roll and liquefy it

Santa Maria que picardia

>>171140392
I said AIR ELEMENTALS. Those are better than fire elementals at fighting big stuff, as they fatigue the enemy at the same time they damage it.

>>171140871
Maybe read that again anon.

>>171140392

Eh. It's MR20. A couple high Astral dudes with Eyes of the Void and focus amulets spamming Soul Slay will do the job, so long as you can keep it occupied while they do it.

>>171140871
>>171141108
Oh, right. but were they AIR ELEMENTALS or LIVING AIR?
Because size 6 will help a lot fighting the big guy, as it won't be able to trample them and will be forced to attack ethereals with a shitty crush.

What he should really do is summon his own eater of the dead and get them to fight.

>>171141548

It's Unique.

>>171141576
Then wish for it.

>>171141685

But then they won't be able to fight because that one will vanish and reappear where it was wished for.

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3 days ago I was told that the original Pangaea was going to come back to the game and was going to contact me soon.
I waited for it since I supposed he was the one interested in joining back.

Since yesterday the time of the host he had not talked to me yet, I looked for him in steam and added him to ask for his email so I could change it.

But it has been 24 hours since then and he still didn't accept my invitation. I don't really want to delay the turn more, as the game suffered a lot of extensions already and the 16+ players don't deserve waiting one more day because a player can't tell me his email adress.

I'm sorry Pangea but HURRY UP accepting my friendship request and telling me your goddamn email.

>>171119194
I'll join, but I'm currently working a 12 hour shift. If you can wait until like 9 am EST, I'll do it.

>>171141850
I forgot to add that yesterday I extended the game 24 hours after adding him to give him enough time to show himself.

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>>171126174
>>171128346

>>171138465
Crab lads for uw expansion, meteorite guards for fighting stuff that players use and expanding on land if you took prod, shambler thralls for size 3 trample and lobos for expendable frontline that doesn't rout. Mindblasters for letting wjichever of those options you use kill stuff when they're paralyzed

>>171141284
living foo literally feeds the eater.

I don't even know how. my first attempt was living earth spam and it ended up with a 9000 hp eater of the dead.

http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=aBoneToPick
this looks about right.
no ermor, sum mod Magic enhanced (did I do that right?) max site frequency for max fun.
map+ worthy heroes are negotiable, but the map looks balanced-ish on paper, and WH is pretty standard

>>171148424
>summod
>no ermor
why bother?

>>171148542
I dislike the very presence of Ermor in games, I think Sum1 did a great job balancing them, but I still think they ruin the fun of the game

>>171148613
Pretty racist there, skinhead.

>>171150018
Fuck skellies

Fuck bats, I'm subbing instead of setting this Marverni to AI

>>171153284
I appreciate that, thanks

Which pretender waifu has the best farts?

>>171157971
Mother of Monsters.

Stale turn stale thread stale game

Hey guys can I get some tips regarding Tir na nog? I'm a noob and I like the nation but I'm not sure how to play them. What are some strengths and weaknesses? What are some ideal strategies to follow for this nations? And what are the magic schools that I should be researching? Thank you. Also any dangerous nations I should try to avoid?

New Game.
MA, worthy heroes, summod, peliwyr with no bad starts, and, because I am a complete and utter madman, site frequency will be bumped up by 5.

>>171162141
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=MAdman

I saved the thread. Gib blood slaves.

Just for clarification, undead are affected by heat auras, heat scales, and heat from hell, correct? And things that cause stun damage, right?

>>171153284
Hope you'll get my message.

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Astral healing sounds like a total waste of a pearl. For the same cost as a spell that could potentially negate stuff that will outright decide the battle, i can...heal my entire army for two hitpoints. Yay.

>>171170967
It's a DRN roll+2, so it heals from 0 to many lots and averages something like 4

What is the absolute BEST EA Ulm build?

>>171161720
>Strengths
Cheap A2 assassins, elf thugs.

>Weaknesses
Poor lategame.

>What are some ideal strategies to follow for this nations?
>And what are the magic schools that I should be researching?
Storm+Tstrike (evo5+conj3)), assassins summoning air elementals (conj3/5), elf thugs trapezing all over everything (alt4, ench4, const4).

>>171169839
Undead can be fatigued by spells, and I assume also heat auras. Heat scales should do nothing to them, except maybe increase spellcasting encumbrance.

Spells which primarily cause stun damage won't target things with zero encumbrance, so don't try use Cascades against undead.

Imagine that there was a game played with debug mod where everyone has 12 turns to build their champion. Then, someone wishes for an arena death match and the winner wins the game. How would you design your champion? Remember that uniques and artifacts can be wished away, and are therefore probably best avoided.

>>171172986
Oh, and per recent testing, heroes don't count as uniques when it comes to Hall of Fame or Wish, so you can use a queen of the city or somesuch as your champion without any risk of her being whisked away

>>171172986
Awake Irminsul with high astral on a nation which gets astral income.

Wish for combat power every turn to get >1k hp and ridiculous defense, then get regen and stack MR.

Win the fight by being unkillable until the enemy routs.

>>171173173
Countered by Devourer of Souls one shotting it

>>171173173
I feel like the sort of SCs that this environment would generate would be able to kill that

>it's a rock paper scissors between S10s empowered 10 times and then spamming Magic Duel, astral pretenders that spammed wishes for Combat power, and non-astral builds

>>171173241
>>171173432
I thought combat power would give more health than 25 per cast (50 on the first).

Guess that idea doesn't work. How about wishing for magical power on a pretender instead? A save-or-die spell at +9 pen (before items) could work, and you can magic duel any faggots who wished for power.

>>171115124
t. YIAMAG C'tis

Do Olms and Illithids count as archers?

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>Wind guided gifts from heaven absolutely destroys stuff, anon!
>What's your SC going to do about a wind guided gifts from heaven, huh?
>Try it
>the rocks only manage to even hit enemy troops when the enemy has a massive army
>if I try to use it on giant SCs it hits my troops
Explain to me why I shouldn't be using earth meld instead of this hot garbage.

>>171176012
>using GFH with troops you care about
I bet you cast earthquake when all your troops are in the same battle as well

>>171176115
>Implying I care about cardaces
They're a dime a dozen, it's more of an insult to injury thing. The way I've seen /domg/ talk about wind guided gifts from heaven I assumed it'd be able to blast the shit out of giants, but it doesn't fucking do anything.

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>>171176115
I've had similar issues as that anon with /domg/ advice, since people just tend to tell you to do [thing] without explaining how to make [thing] effective. It's how you get situations like a noob being told EA Abysia can blind expand into anything and then berated for blind expanding into a mage province.

I know I for one learned that Earthquaking without a large buffer of worthless shit gets your mage killed the hard way. I still don't know exactly how to use Earthquake, because I'm stuck testing trial and error with and against different army compositions and scripts while /domg/ continues to say "Cast EQ/RoS/GFH and you automatically win, lol."

>>171176115
>not casting EQ when facing humies as non-humies

You can safely cast it twice without killing your own army.

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>raiders from the sea
>hurricane
>TNN had an unexplained increase in wealth of 800
>this fucking happens
>on a fort province with 6000 people
JUST

>>171177864
Congratulations, your fort is now horrible to siege without supply items/troops or troops that don't eat.

>>171177940
Is there a spell that causes this? Asking for a friend

>>171176768
Welcome to /domg/, where most people give bad advice.

As for EA Abysia, you definitely have an advantage, but you can't just walk in everywhere. Same with EQ. It's effective at leveling the playing field but you need a specialized army to weather it and use it on an army worth the cost. About the only "safe" auto-win you'll really get is Abysia with flamestorm (or whatever the one is where it deals damage to 50% of all units on the field each turn). And even then, I've had it cast and STILL lost the battle. Granted, it was a complete phyrric victory for them in terms of mages and units lost, but it still happened. And if you run up against sacreds with a major blood bless, well, you're losing your mage and that's that.

But generally, take everything /domg/ says with a big ass heap of salt, because everything, and I mean EVERYTHING, is situational. You've got tools for everything, no one thing is best.

>>171176768
Fog warriors, then RoS

or

Mass flight, then EQ

Remember to check mage order pressing T just in case your stuff gets RoS'd as well before you can cast Fog Warriors.

Alternatively use them with 1 or 2 mages against an enemy army (those are called mage traps). Remember to give your EQ guy a ring of levitation and your RoS caster a good armor.

how do you get good at this game

>>171179382
You don't. You just get marginally less bad over time.

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>>171176012
It's best against large groups of high-hp or elite troops, but it works just fine against SCs for me. Killed this thing pretty easily, and he needed two hits.

How many mages do you have casting it, and how are you using it?

>>171176768
How to EQ:
>get 2-3 mages who can cast earthquake, preferably turn 1
>find large enemy stack with lots of low-defense low-protection units (mages, basically)
>move mages into province enemy is about to attack
>cast earthquake round 1 before the enemy can put up defensive buffs
>half of the enemy army's mages are now dead, and probably your own 2-3 mages (obviously don't do this if that isn't a worthwhile trade)
You can add a bunch of chaff to try delay the enemy army long enough for your EQ casters to escape, but that generally expensive. Far better to use mages you can afford to lose.

RoS is much better, really. You only need one caster, and it's basically a 100% death rate on unarmored humans.

>>171171031

If it's DRN+2 then it heals from 4 to manylots.

>>171179416
oh rip. i've just made a complete failure of myself in the two games i've been in

>>171180027
You at least learnt how not to fail in those ways again, right?

Don't worry, 3 of my first 4 games I failed horribly by doing stupid shit and I've yet to stop making stupid mistakes.

>>171180027
In a 10 player game there will be 9 losers, so don't feel too bad.

The games I've learned most from have been those where I was BTFO. I both learned what not to do again, and by seeing what my enemies did I picked up some new tricks.

>>171177864
Goodness.

>>171173173
Immobiles can't compete in the death match.

>>171126174
>>171128346
>>171142172
That's a nice pretender you have there. Won the game so quickly I didn't even suspect it until it was done. If nothing else this game taught me that having the best-equipped humanoid troops doesn't really mean shit when your enemies can summon giant blood-vengeancing and regenerating monsters. I only seemed to survive this game by virtue of being in the minority of players that didn't have youtube-LP tier expansion.

>>171162141
>>171162453
Map link is dead and that map version seems to be outdated anyway. Can you change it to Peliwyr 1.3 with additional #nostart provinces? I think it's already on llama.

>>171172793
Thank you so much. Why would you say that TNN has a poor lategame?

Alright, I'm around. Whoever it was who was threatening to go AI, you wanna talk?

>>171190338
It could be Helheim.
I haven't heard anything from him and it looks like he failed his expansion hard as fuck

>>171190842
He's not near Xibalba though. Also, from what I can see he did ok on expansion near me.

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>caelites are basically "small framed" people with wings
>you can summon demon lolis

10/10 game

Best nation to have literally the best turf available?
As in, the nation whose land has the best yelds assuming max scales.

>>171193274
Berytos and MA ctis are the only nations with gold bonuses beyond those granted by scales.

>>171193409
And Bery only has them on coastal while Ctis gets bonus for all the candles.

>>171179791
It's an opposed roll

Can't believe we're on page 8 already. Don't you guys have off from work, or school due to snow?

>>171190338
>>171190909
Do your turn.

Shilling for this here roleplaying game:

http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=TheWheelHasTurnedOnceAgain

http://steamcommunity.com/groups/vanheimageofvidya/discussions/1/135511259335419182/

>>171193464
Yes, but Bery gets a bigger bonus. (15% instead of 1% per candle, iirc)

Is it me or is Teaching Feeling going faster?

>>171198923
New admin, who actually wants the game to end before 2020.

>>171199584
Who's the new admin

>>171199630
Carlix

Admins of FrogAndToad and Autism Wars, I'm out in the bush all weekend until Monday evening. Agartha and Arcoscephale respectively.

>>171200490
Oh, in addition to this, I'm postponing JobbingToXibalba, DSDS2 and YIAMAG by...106 hours

Fuck's sake, I'm so sorry

>>171200690
Or rather by 92, I cannot math it seems.

>>171200690
>>171200816
...also I have turned Quickhost off because I won't have internet after I post this message ok thank you bye see you all on monday

>>171200690
Why bother hosting if you know you're going to be postponing them? Give someone else admin and extend hosting intervals. Either set yourself AI or find a sub. Your collective hosting postponement is Lukas-tier.

>>171200490
My friend, Asphodel killed the admin of Autism Wars long ago. First in game, then . . . perhaps . . .

>>171200490
>>171200690
>>171200816
>>171200956
Have fun!

>>171201003
Well, tbf in this game we're closing in on turn 60, pulling out Tarts and Juggernauts and Army of Golds, and its still a 24h timer.

Could probably use an extension to 48h anyway desu.

>>171177864
TNN here. I don't have a fucking idea what happend with that gold increase.

>>171194620
I was hoping to do some diplomacy and prevent someone from going AI. But it seems he's not around.

I've tried to use (advanced)crossbreeding so many times because of how fun it is but it doesn't seem that good
How can I get the most use out of it?

>>171202612
Luck, like literally items that give the commander luck, and crossbreeding skill which some commanders have and gitgud :^). Why bother doing crossbreeding in the first place? I think it might be a viable strategy for bloodnations to pump out fast castle defenders otherwise I don't see other reasons.

>>171200490
Would you be okay with finding a temporary sub?

>>171201994
FastHelheim is almost certainly not the person that threatened to go AI. I know who the player is, and they're pretty good about playing things out

can a size 5 unit be trampled by a size 6 one

can a unit shurnk down from size 6 to 5 be shrinked again?

>>171207439
Yes.
I don't think so.

>>171207439
yes
don't think so