/domg/ - Dominions General

Did that EA Snerdryn game ever start? I want to join as Berytos.

>>170695093
The OP message was from that game

>>170571091
Also, link to last thread -
>>170571091

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Okay, I'll let the thread die.

How good is awe 6 for awake pretender?

>>170698429
It's relevant if you have fear or other layers of mitigation. It's not sufficient on its own for expansion

How hard are the various Mictlans?
Never tried them because they looked complicated.

>>170700717
The blood sac thing looks intimidating, but it's not that bad. The harder part is dealing with enemy ranged attacks, so it is helpful to know a bit about arrow lures. They have a very strong lategame, though, with or without a bless, and they also aren't particularly scales reliant. Basically you just need to not fuck up early, and blood will carry the rest

>>170698429
no matter what your pretender has to be able to withstand few blows. couples great with fear or aoe poison or fireshield.

Is there any civs in Dominions that doesn't get fucked?
>the empire turns into a dead land
>the other empire turns into a demon worshipping shit
>atlantide is fucked
>rlyeth is everywhere in the sea

>>170702115
It's the Annunaki L&W for Ur so I could get bit dangerous with it.

>>170702414
Arco just kind of keeps on trucking, untouched by Ermorian disasters or the lure of Blood magic.

It's one of my gripes about the faction actually, they don't seem to interact with the rest of the Dominions world at all. In the real world Greece conquered the world, then was conquered in turn by Rome, but in Dominions they have no interaction with Ermor at all. Compared to the craziness going on with Marignon and Sceleria you'd think Arco would have at least some reaction to the Ermorian catastrophe (as they share a pantheon) but apparently not.

I think this is also why Arco is so boring as a faction. They don't have any apocalypse, no mixing with other cultures, they just have minor troop differences between the ages.

>>170702414
Arco, it's pure magic how they simply don't get fucked, tempted by necromancy or blood magic.

>>170702640
Arco conquered through Abysia after Abysia burnt up Hinnom. Ragha was an Abysian colony that was cut off by Arco

>>170702414
Lots of nations get better for humans

>>170700717
EA Mictlan is tricky. It's bad at everything outside blood magic and vulnerable to a rush. However, if you don't get rushed you turn into a very scary nation, with the best blood magic summons in the game and armies full of recruitable sacreds.

LA Mictlan is very similar to EA Mictlan.

MA Mictlan is like EA Mictlan, but much slower to get a blood economy running. They're hard to play well.

http://steamcommunity.com/groups/vanheimageofvidya/discussions/1/135511259335419182/

http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=TheWheelHasTurnedOnceAgain

New roleplaying game, game settings are being determined in the thread on steam.

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>>170702660
It's the result of having a nation made 90% of philosophers jerking each other off with hypothetical questions nobody asks.

If you have one of those events where it pops up a random fort, but it is RIGHT next to an existing fort, do you ever demolish it for stealing resources from the fort you intended?

>>170707463
The only time doing that would even be worth considering is if the existing fort is your capital and you have resource heavy sacreds you need to recruit.

More forts will never cause you to get less total resources.

>>170702414
Marv just fades

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>>170708098
That's sad.

>>170708098
Don't they turn into Marignon? Once conquered and assimilated into the Ermorian Empire, presumably they split off again as it collapses.

>>170702414
Jomon liberate themselves from Oni and Bakemonos and end up being the best humans, as they try to avoid civilians casualties as much as possible.

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>already bordering bats
WAKE ME UP

>>170710759
You know what to do.

>>170710818
It's turn 5.

>>170710759
They border at least 3 nations already.

Sy plays them.

>>170709581
Does Tien Chi ever have anything happen to them that isn't just humie shit? Gigantic human nation with little to no changes all the way from EA to LA.

>>170712223

Umm a shitload of magic being summons? Fox ladies? Ancestral spirits? Pick whatever.

>>170712223
Not really, at least in the lore. You can still fuck them up if you're a retard summoning Aldricht and losing control.

>>170712264
>Fox ladies
Tell me more, I have a fetish for fox women.

>>170712458

A very reasonably priced N2 summon for 25N gems having N3 base plus 4 randoms or so of good paths. Solid.

Also a spy and can shape shift into a fox.

>>170713142
But is she sexy? Is she a MILF or a loli?

>>170713241
she's a sexy milf loli

any non meme game to join?

>>170713524
>milf loli
Wait what?

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>>170714865
>no cute tails to brush
>no ears to touch

>>170715086
>not touching fluffy tails
SHAME ON YOU

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>>170716015
Tails are for brushing, not touching.

>>170716268
But Tamamo said it was fine.

>>170711614
How do you know?

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>>170718458
I like to listen to Majula's theme when I play. It's soothing, and yet somehow threatening.

>>170712223
Yes.
>no changes all the way from ea to LA
what the fuck game have you been playing

>>170718717
He means that all their trouble have been related to humans, and not ghosts, undead, demons or the Star.

>tfw no LA Pelagia
>tfw no MA Uruk

>>170719686
But at least LA Ys soon.

>>170720840
I'm looking forwards to underwater undead freespawn sailing elves

>>170720840

Confirmed?

>>170720840
Man, and I still want LA Machaka.

Can we just call Sandeth LA Machaka and be done with it. Like the expanding sahara or some shiet.

>>170720940
>Ys - Ghost Armada

Scales Mictlan is better than bless Mictlan.

>>170723235
Let's duel - your scales Mictlan against my bless Mictlan

>>170723235
Not taking a bless on Mictlan is retarded.

I could certainly see arguments for taking an awake+bless (probably wyrm with W9E4), possibly monobless with strong scales (puchi focused) and duobless or even tribless.

Not taking even a single bless though means you should probably play a different nation.

>>170723742
Blessings are useless.

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>>170725202

>>170725202

Go to bed, Ulm.

To anon who recommended LA Man for beardy evo spam - thanks! They fit perfectly.

When playing against AI how the hell do I maintain borders? I have 3 large armies for 10 provinces and it's not enough. I feels like playing against a zombie horde that always strikes if there's an opening.

>>170727638
Make golems, overgear them with hundreds of gems to be invulnerable to the AI's garbage, and then conquer the thrones.

The AI can't adapt, so thugs/SCs that can easily be beaten with the right gear will be invincible

>>170727638
>I feels like playing against a zombie horde that always strikes if there's an opening.

Yeah, that's pretty much what the AI is. Try using smaller armies.

>letting the thread stale at 62 posts

>>170730503
I'm sorry I was sitting naked listening to pottery

>>170730503

The thread tends to die over weekends. It's probably because /domg/'s pretty consistent 'cause of the PBEM play, but every other fucker's posting more.

>>170725202
Another valiant attempt to revive the thread, but I think everyone's too tired.

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>>170730962
>but I think everyone's too tired.
>want to talk about my games
>can't, because somebody might notice how good my position is

>>170727638
>To anon who recommended LA Man for beardy evo spam - thanks! They fit perfectly.
You're welcome. LA Man was my first win and they will always hold a special pace in my heart.

>>170731864

With or without summod?

>>170731764
Shut up and delete this, they migth think this post is mine.

>>170732235
Too late motherfucker, I'm on to you now.

>when you're winning, you want to talk about the game but can't
>when you're losing, you don't want to talk about it at all

>>170731764
>want to talk about my games, but can't because somebody might noticed how good my position is
Holy shit this. Is there a permanently neutral person I can talk about my superior strategies and innovations with without giving away my position? We need a confession booth for /domg/.

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>>170732683

>>170732934
Just talk to people not in your game

>>170732897
No wonder threads die so fast. It also disturbingly mirrors real world politics too well.

>>170733038
Can't tell who's in who's game. Too many anonymous players and hosts.

Looking for a sub for EA Ermor in JobbingToXibalba. Noobs only

Situation is good as far as I know, dude hasn't been in any wars so far, hit me up on steam at r850mango if you're interested

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Post anime to save the thread!

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>>170734067
>>170734263
No more lolis! Post MILFs!

>>170720840
>illwinter having a elf bias
Fugggg. Stronk human mage nation when

>>170734916
There's lots of those already

>>170734916

Literally the first nation made.

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EA_NEWBARIA

>Ermor Waiting for 2h file
Helheim 2h file received
Marverni 2h file received
>Tir na n'Og Waiting for 2h file

Middle Mass

Abysia 2h file received
>Arcoscephale Waiting for 2h file
>C'tis Waiting for 2h file
Marignon 2h file received
Vanarus 2h file received
>Ulm Waiting for 2h file
Ys 2h file received

DontStaleDesuSempai3

C'tis 2h file received
>Hinnom Waiting for 2h file
>Kailasa Waiting for 2h file
Marverni 2h file received
Niefelheim 2h file received
Tir na n'Og 2h file received
>Ulm Waiting for 2h file
Ur 2h file received
Yomi 2h file received

>>170735310
How did they get over the fire? I'm also in your game. I feel your pain

>>170736563
They just DID THEIR TURNS

>therodos spends the entire game turtling and amassing forces
>casts burden of time twice then goes AI
>the AI goes turbo mode and expands in every direction because the player left them several hundred spectral troops

wew

>>170737208
now you get to RP reducing the spectral threat

>>170737261
i'm already busy removing pests from my backyard

>>170737208
I like that. I'll do the same next time I join a game.

>>170735310
Admin of EA_newbaria speaking. You should have received an e-mail with a notification that Ermor won't be able to play till Tuesday so I postponed.
Also I'm making a new game. This time it is team based. Game page is temporary meaning that everything can be changed. If you are interested PM me on discord YoyBoy#5823
or add me on steam http://steamcommunity.com/id/lukamrko_1/

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>>170734387
Nice meme, you almost got me there.

But we keep posting loli waifus, right?

>>170737530
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=Ragnorak


Forgot the game page

>>170737594
>loli
>waifu
Pick one. Lolis are for adopting, not marrying.

>>170737753
>not being a shota yourself
????????

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>>170737594
>loli waifu
No.

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>>170737884
>>170737753

>>170737998
>that nose
You look like an antisemitic caricature.

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>>170738257

>>170738425
Post a profile picture. I want to see that nose for real, without the cat hiding it.

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>>170738694
That's not me, you sillyboy!
Pic related is me >.<

If all the magic paths had spells similar to RoS, Earthquake and reliable AoE fatigues then they'll finally be balanced.

>>170739991
rain would still shit all over fire, Fire would still be literally the best crosspath though.

What does the "Bonus Nature Magic: 50%" tab stand for under Hydras in the Dom Inspector?

>>170741918
Hydra is a possible result of transformation spell. If the mage is transformed into a hydra he has a 50% chance of getting +1 nature path.

>>170739991
>let's make all magic paths essentially the same
Spoken like a true AI player.

>>170742469

There could be creative ways to get those effects in a different way.

>>170742748
Yes, like Wind of Death is already a death's version of EQ, and Firestorm is fire's version of EQ, and Acid Storm is water's version of EQ.

>>170742748
Give 5 examples.

>>170702414
Mictlan has some changes in management over the years but it gets by without being that much different from it's original incarnation.

>>170742868
Why does the water version of EQ need a crosspath? I would say it's more like the water version of RoS.

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>>170734067

>>170742868

It would be better if all of those spell were knocked down from 7 to 6, and Nature is missing though not that it's necessary.

>>170743124
>why does the metaphor I was using has to be stretched for the sake of the argument
I don't know, I'm not the person who said all paths must have their own EQs.

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>>170743179
What the fuck.

>>170743124
I would say it's better against mundane armored troops and Fog Warriors but worse against some nat prot troops and doesn't kill a mage ball round 1 because actually they're different spells

>>170743463

The point started after noticing that the most competitive nations seem to have easy access to relatively high Air, Earth and Blood, with Death and Astral as second best.

how do i kill supaya

>>170744040
Antimagic and Acid Storm

>>170744040
t. Malakal

>>170744015
The point was an ambiguous claim with reference to existing spells and no concrete examples of spells that should be added to other paths.

>>170744251

What's wrong with making examples?

>>170744543
Is English your native language or what?

>>170744659

What about constructive criticism?

>>170744805
Constructive criticism is just a buzzword invented by dA kids when they're facing severe criticism that hurts their feelings.

>>170744805
What criticism? I said "there are no examples of spells that should be added to other paths to make them all equally good". You asked, "what's wrong with making examples?" which is a sentence that makes zero sense. Constructive enough for you, fuckboy?

Either PROVIDE CONCRETE EXAMPLES OF CHANGES YOU WANT TO MAKE TO THE GAME or fuck off.

>>170744928

So why make a comment that has no point behind it?

>>170745175
The point is to tell you to fuck off. I hope you'll get to it eventually.

>>170745239

Okay. Fuck off.

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>>170743478

Momoka is the patron saint of /domg/.

>>170737530
>120 HOURS
hello lukas

>>170746580
It is supposed to be just this turn. After that we are returning with 24h treatment.

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>>170746196
What a backstabbing cunt.

I like her, even if I don't know her.

Hey Wheel has Turned admin -

Consider putting up a poll with regard to mods, so that people can vote yes/no on ME and summod. If majority votes yes on summod and ME, you can use the combined mod. If majority votes no on one but not the other, you can use the latest version.

>>170746750
>this turn
>one whole fucking week
That's enoguh of a excuse to find a sub my dude

>>170749358
It is five days. And of 6 of us that started there are currently 4 of us, I did not want to lose additional players.

>>170749760
Subing is not losing a player, is exchanging someone

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>>170746984
>>170743478
That shit's cute but what's the /domg/ connection?

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>>170750163
What?

>>170750058
Yeah I know that but this is supposed to be a beginners game and since this is my first time being an admin I was unsure about efficiency of subing.

>>170750358
You should sub yourself, lukas.

>>170702414
Bandar Log actually gets better instead of worse iirc.

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>>170702414
>Ermor
>gets fucked
DED is the ultimate form of existence. Just ask the last thread.

>playing a popkill nation in one pbem
>get the free temple random event twice before turn 15

feels good man

murdering winter does 7 damage but it says it's much more powerful in cold provinces

how powerful are we speaking? enough to be worth the gems?

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It looks like all of our champion fell for Limne's ogre-whelming charm.

So, Vanheim, is there a reason why you just ate Marveni? I mean, you spent the last 30 turns chastising everyone else for taking bites out of him, because he was apparently fighting bats?

Could it be that you have no interest in fighting bats yourself?

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>>170754371
>believing nick

>>170754213
Pretty fucking strong. I liked Gaaps chances until I saw her. Innovative use of bloodslaves from that one guy though.

>>170754371
Hows agartha doing in that game?

>>170753590
>An enemy army is attacked by dmg: 7 AN + 2x the province's cold scale.
>The spell will never kill more than half of an enemy army, because it attacks
>the army's camp, and only half of an army is ever in camp at one time.
It can be sometimes worth the gems, but you generally want to be hitting a large enemy army with multiple casts.

>>170754931
so cold 3 is 7 + 2*3?

>>170755219
Yes.

>>170755219
27AN is nothing to sneeze at.

>>170755887
7 + 2*3 (c3) is 13 damage

>>170754371
Because I was disinterested in watching Arco (very slowly) eat Marverni. If you cripple a nation in front of me, I don't know what you expect.

As an aside, Niefel, Atlantis, you know you can end battles before the turn limit right? Like, that's an option that's in the game?

>>170754931
It's great if you have the army diseased/cast doom and curse everything in the previous battle.

>>170754818
They're fighting Ur, Helheim, and Kailasa. Kailasa started the fight, and Ur and Helheim are vulturing.

>>170758295
Good, fuck that guy.

>>170758608
That's mean.

>>170760062
You know what else is mean? Invading poor oni's who were trying their hardest to fight the bats.

>>170754213
Huh, I was not expecting Charm to do all of the work! Though as we saw against Gaap I really should've brought an AN or at least AP weapon. O'al Kan's Sceptre was another option I was considering over Mage Bane. The perma-stun may still have been good if Gaap hadn't had regen and liquid body. If he hadn't Limne could've at least fished for afflictions.

Also, weirdly, I don't seem to have ended up with the units I charmed. Did they make it back home okay?

>>170760327
Gaap seems to be MIA. I actually forgot to script him so it was pretty lucky he didnt go full retard on buffs.

>>170758295
Ur is not some vulture. Agartha willingly gave those provinces over.

>>170756021
anon, 9 times 3 is 27 not 13

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>>170761470
B+ effort in keeping the thread bumped.

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>>170761656
better than I ever did in middle school!

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>>170761656

>>170761470
then the equation doesn't make sense mate.

it's either 7 + 2*x = 13 with c3 or you mean (7+2)*x which doesn't make sense because there's a base damage of 7 no matter the scales

for the equation to be right you have to pull 7 + 7*x -> 7 + 7*3 -> 7 + 21 = 27

>>170761903
*28

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>>170756230
>>170758295
>>170758608
>>170760062
>>170760182
Another successful /domg/ game

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>>170761883
I see two aussies and a dog, but where's the kangaroo?

>>170761883
Kangaroos are such an odd animal. There's pretty much nothing lese like them out there.

>>170762243
The kangaroo is the one with the hair all over the body.
Australians have to punch them to become kings of Australia.

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>>170761819
>The Olm is doing fine

>>170761883
that moment when you see him pee a little

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Late game is awful.

We should play games that just end on Turn x

>>170764430
Agree, how about X=40?
Or X=50, that gives more room for researching stuff, but researching a school at level 9 should be something really really rare, and getting more than one at level 9 should never happen.

Midgame should be late game and late game shouldn't exist.

>>170764430
I like the idea, but how would we score it?

>>170761903
>>170762076
so I tested it. max damage is 13 no counting DNG dice.

two murdering winters will decimate a human army but do jack shit against anything bigger.

What if we played with cumulative victory points? This way, the game will for sure end at some point if there's a stalemate with whoever has held the most capitals for the longest winning, but if one player is dominating the game ends sooner

>>170764430
Late game is a blast if you just add ME.

Issue with vanilla lategame is let me sum it up real quick: TART TART TART DEMON STACK TART DEMON STACK OOOOZZZZZZIIIIIIESSS TART TART TART

>>170764430
mid-late is the best part of the game really. ill agree that after like 60 turns its always a big grind but really you just cheat the people who managed to survive 60 turns out of a climax. maybe try playing better so you dont get shit on in the first 30 turns and youll have more fun with it

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>>170765649
surely this must be b8

>>170765845
I've never not been a major power in late game. It's just a slog. The 'big grind' that you mention isn't fun, even when you're winning. The resource advantage that earlier lead to victories that matter now instead leads to a slow, grinding push as you shamble your way towards the thrones. At some point, attacking everything along your border with some garbage and having most of your provinces hit with horrors that you're already set to retake just isn't remotely fun.

>>170764430
>>170765817
Turn X + DRN with cumulative victory points wouldn't be half bad. You can't predict the exact moment you need to backstab the leader and it's easy to maintain score.

>>170765818
ME Lategame:

Broken Global
Broken Global
Broken Summon
Broken Global
Mass Stale

>>170766432
>+ DRN
Dominions really gets to you, doesn't it?

>>170765818
ME is fun in that it's new, and late game ME lets you see more of the new stuff. It (and mods in general) can't solve the fundamental problem of The Slog, though getting to use new end game stuff from Reach through Dimensions or whatever help makes up for it a bit

>>170766438
>Mass Stale

lol, like domg needs to be at endgame to do that. Stalers gonna stale, turn 3 or turn 80, makes no difference to them.

>>170766816
Shockingly, domg doesn't stale much more than other communities in spite of the anonymity. All the videos of SA games have had stales, and Dom3mod games have stales (sometimes the same stalers that play on domg!)

>>170766959
>Using SA as an example of an average staling community

0 points. SA is the team that insta-bitched from CC iirc.

>>170767225
Fair. On the other hand, they're also the most secluded of the western communities. codex, spacebattles, dom3mods, etc all have people that play with other communities.

My point was just that staling is pretty common across all communities. It's not a domg thing.

>>170765916
how so?

tested it vs atlantean sacred pillars, 31 hp, send troops to check the damage. no one below 22 for 3 different tries.out of 71 hits, 2 dead

>>170769910
Well no shit, even in Cold 3 thats only effectively 8 AN damage. Try using it vs troops without cold resistance.

>>170754459
>>170754371
>>170756230
I think its hilarious u kids talking about nicknight. u wouldnt say this stuff to him irl, hes jacked. not only that but he runs the freshest campaigns, drinks the chillest dr peppers and hangs out with the hottest dudes. yall are pathetic lol

>tfw forget to change your research for 6 turns
a-at least it's only turn 6 and I can use the school it defaulted to

>>170739856
c-cute.

>>170739856
Hey, congrats! You pass really well!

>>170772596
anon, that's a woman

>>170774054
With that eyeshadow? Please.

>>170774116
I goggled it anon

>>170770613
t. aran

>>170764430

Just severely lower the number of thrones needed. 3 Thrones out of 9 or something.

>>170775947
Actually that sounds like an interesting idea. I'm going to make a short 3/9 point game and see how it goes. EA.

>>170777742
http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=EA_innovativethrones

3/5 thrones
EA
easy research (25 points for lv1)
summod/WH

I'll post steam soon.

>>170778735
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/vanheimageofvidya/discussions/0/135511379836768679/

>>170778735

>easy research

Doesn't that kind of defeat the point?

>>170779743
that's if you think the game because more boring due to spell diversity

At the risk of sounding hideously presumptuous, does anyone mind me ending the game? I could definitely host more rematches if anyone wants to try their luck against Limne again.

>>170764430
I think throne settings currently used are batshit insane. The concept of a throne rush shouldn't even exist. Fighting players should be an aside from take thrones.

>>170775947
>>170777742
I've played with a game similar to that (thrones were too low by accident, rather than design).

One guy got lucky and had a bunch of thrones spawn near him. Basically all he needed to do was rush one guy for his throne and win.

>>170779924
The problem with going low thrones is that it makes the winner a lot more luck based. Sometimes people get three thrones near them, sometimes they get none.

If there was a map which had a specific thrones with preset locations (and preset starts), maybe it could work.

>>170779924
Trust me, 6/15 thrones in this game exists for a fucking reason. Its because all the other requirements were fucking insane.

>>170780632
>>170778735

The thrones in this map are all at the center of the map. All player start at 8 corners of the map and have equal chance of reaching the throne. It's an arena/king of the hill like game.

>>170780742
Umm, what happens if a nation like caelum takes an awake dragon and rushes the center?

>>170780860
I highly doubt that a single pretender is going to be able to take all 3 lv2thrones by himself. If you can, cudos.

>>170780860
His pretender gets murdered by a level 3 throne's pretender and a bunch of mages that actually have some research behind them?

>>170781005
>I highly doubt that a single pretender is going to be able to take all 3 lv2thrones by himself
Hence,
>nation like Caelum
so you can bring all your flying troops too.

Can a dragon and a couple full squads of birds beat an average T1 or T2 throne? I suspect they could.

>>170781064
Is this using level 3 thrones? That might work.

>>170781217
I've had some discussion on the matter and the verdict is this:
Lv1 thrones are going to experience the exact same thing you mentioned; some flying fucker going in with flying rush for thrones ending the game within year 1.
Lv2 thrones are going to add difficulty and challenge for flying nations to get in there and by the time they are ready they will not be the only nations to have reached the throne by then.
lv3 will end in a cold war between nations as each throne attempt is clearly a suicide and anyone trying for the thrones will instantly be vaporized by 7 other nations.

Between the choices I've choosen 3 lv2 thrones as an answer. The reasons why are some kept secret (other than people there for the discussion) and will required some INNOVATIVE thinking to figure out why 3 lv2 thrones.

Anyways I think the mode is fair. I think It'll give any nation a chance for the throne (except UW as there are no UW provinces except like 2).

>>170781217
Running awake into tier 2s with 0 research is a good way to be down a pretender. Level 1 thrones would get crushed easily, though you'd need to worry about other super buffed dom10 e10 pretenders and shit like that.

The thrones have massive amounts of connections btw - generally 12.

>>170781521
>Running awake into tier 2s with 0 research is a good way to be down a pretender
You can tell what type of throne it is fairly frequently. An anunaki or earth mother? can't do it. sorceresses? Basically a regular province with 20 extra heavy infantry.

>>170778735
If you could delete Ur, didn't realize sum1won still hasn't fixed the broken clear affliction bug on their gods.

>>170762086
I just realised there's 3 of elves because of glamour.
Always confused me in this picture.

>>170781462
>>170781521
I managed two T2 thrones in a row just now. All troops I used were recruited by turn 5.

I nearly managed a third, but lost to 30 heavy cav (thanks, RNG, never seen that before). I'm confident I could have won anyway if I had a retreat province secured (as I would have with three thrones all clustered together).

>>170783389
same here more or less, using a dom10 e10 pretender (no flying backup needed). Grabbed 2, fire elementals caused . . . issues on the last one.

>>170783576
How'd you get an E10 flying pretender?

>>170783646
Shedu says hi.

>>170783692
Interesting, I'm surprised that worked.

More evidence that T2 isn't hard enough.

Ritual of Rebirth

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What are some guidelines to how you should determine your scales? Just an in general, "if your nation has X, then doing Y might be a good idea" type thing.

I always get this mental block on not letting myself take negative scales unless I have a nation that can make use of them. The income hits from Turmoil, Sloth, Death, and Heat/Cold terrify me, and Misfortune in general looks absolutely terrible at 3. If I'm not on a Drain mitigating or troop based nation, why would I want slower research even if there's an MR buff? Why would I take Turmoil on something that isn't Pangea or Turmoil/Luck?

>>170791946
Well, taking Order for Yomi is a bad idea, picking cold scale as Abyssia is a bad idea, and picking Growth as Ermor is useless.

>>170792039
Order Yomi is a thing
Just don't use demons until you can get your non-demon summons out

>>170792306
What's the point of picking Yomi is you don't use Onis?

>>170792306
Slap some flying and an implementors axe on a bandit and have him raid where your oni army is attacking or just attack the nation that took turmoil 3.

>>170792995
>or just attack the nation that took turmoil 3.

So Lanka, Therodos and who else?

>>170791946
Ignoring nations with specific bonuses for a scale:

Growth is extremely good for almost every nation. Take growth 3 unless you are a popkill nation or doing something innovative.

Magic scales are really good if your nation has low-RP mages, since you get a relatively large boost from it.

Drain is generally a bad idea, but you can live with a few points if your mages each have high RP, especially if you're planning to make heavy use of research boosters.

Heat/Cold can usually be maxed out for relatively cheap points, thought it does come with some disadvantages. It brings a significant income hit (though less than the nominal 15%), and your units and mages get increased encumbrance. It can also make it easier or harder for certain nations which like temperature extremes to invade you.

Production is mainly for expansion. You take as little as you can get away with and still get a decent number of provinces.

Turmoil is good if you want cheap, decent scales. You can go Turmoil 3 Luck 3 for 0 net points, which is generally considered superior to Order 0 Luck 0.

Order is good if you want money. Not much more to say, though it does help a little with bloodhunting too.

Luck/Misfortune are hard to talk about, since their effects are less obvious. I usually only take luck if I'm going turmoil, and some misfortune if I'm going Order and/or have fortune tellers.

>If I'm not on a Drain mitigating or troop based nation, why would I want slower research even if there's an MR buff?
>Why would I take Turmoil on something that isn't Pangea or Turmoil/Luck?
The answer is the same for both; because it gets you points to spend on more important things elsewhere. If you think you can get 20% more provinces from taking a better bless, that makes up for 15% less income per province. If you can get 15% more mages, that makes up for losing 15% RP off each mage.

>>170792484
>What's the point of picking Yomi is you don't use Onis?
Yomi is a death nation first and foremost
You just keep spamming your 0-upkeep summoned mages/skeletons/shikome until you hit a critical mass and win.

Also your commander Onis are generally tough enough to not care about Order

>>170791946
going badscale 3 is worth it because you can put those points into something that suits your nation better.you trade one scale for another one, it's worth it even if you go deep at -3.


my personal guidelines are:
-decide what to expand with(bless? awake god? regular units?) and find out the minimum amount of production scales, minimal blesses and if you need an awake pretender
-set base bless, minimum produciton scales and an awake god if you need it as a start
-go all the way to heat 3 or cold 3(note: cold 3 is better gold early, cold/heat synergize with fire/water magic or cold/fire resistence)
-choose between the turmoil3-luck2-3-some magic group or order3-2-misfortune1-2 group. the first gives less gold, especially early, but more magical opportunities, the latter gives more gold but costs more design points. Basically do you trust your mages? do you need gold for more troops? or is it better to use gems for summons and get a better bless ( note: capital only sacreds can be maxed out after expansion, you need no extra gold for them)?.
-growth 3 is good, it's the last scale i would give up.
-few nations care about dominion level above 5-6 unless you NEED to and CAN recruit more cap sacreds.
-playtest expansion to ensure low gold eary is not a game-breaker OR you can't actually use the extra gold meaningfully(example: MA Ulm has problems using all that gold with maximum scales).
-deciding between an upgraded bless, imprisoned/dormant, more scales, more casting/crafting magic on god is a matter of personal choice and metagame. do you plan a turn 20 war? might need a superbless or a dormant caster.Same would go if you fear being a target.It's a lot based on when you want to be stronger and in which area.
- i prefer to go heat 3 OR cold 3 OR neutral because it's more design-point/income efficient, so before giving up h3 or c3 i try improving other scales.

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>blessings
>only affect your pretender, and maybe your sacred units too
>scales
>affect your entire nation
Yet blessings are more important than scales?

What is Unquenched flames?? It's a summod thing? It has no description for me.

Are drakes a good use of gems? We are talking about fire drakes here. Asking for a friend

>>170795948
Who do you think you people are fooling? Nobody here has any friends.

How do you know if your battle is going to have a natural storm? Asking for a friend

If you bind a kitsune to your will, can you fuck her to have baby kitsunes?
I'm asking for a friend.

>>170795125
well if your nation is defended almost entirely by your pretender god and sacred units i guess so.

>>170795948
not really, but if it's your only use go for it.

i would reccomend summoning fire elemental in battle, also fire1 mages can use a gem to cast phoenix power and stay at F2 for the rest of the battle, spamming fireballs.

>>170796539
Phoenix power uses no gems

>>170795125
Blesses give a massive boost to a group of units which often makes up a significant portion of your forces.

Scales may affect your entire nation, but their bonuses are relatively much smaller.

>>170795948
Fire snakes would be better.

>>170796647
If a fucking F1 casts F2 spell he needs a gem. This is pretty basic shit.

>>170796672
>Blesses give a massive boost to a group of units which often makes up a significant portion of your forces.
>which often makes up a significant portion of your forces
HA HA HA ha ha ha haaaa...

>>170796774
m8 I recked shit with a huge army of knights of the chalice and another time with fuck loads of w9 wot5e

>>170796839
I never used sacred troops because the warrior of the five hands have no armor.

>>170796774
On a lot of nations if you're not recruiting the maximum number of sacreds you can from your capital every turn you're making a massive mistake.

>>170796882
>not using WotFE because they don't have armor

>>170797146
Hey, they're expensive as fuck and die really quickly.

>>170797226
>die really quickly
Did you take a bless?

>>170797247
Flaming weapon.

>>170797282
Not a great bless for WotFE, but they still shouldn't be dying fast.

What were you fighting with them? Archers? Did you use other troops to draw arrow fire away from the squishy blenders?

>>170797373
Other troops?

>>170797423
Could you provide slightly more information?

What kind of troops, and how many of their troops vs how many WotFE?

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>>170797635
Well, a kommandant, about twenty WotFE, versus thirty indie barbarians.

>>170797864
So those WotFE just blessed themselves?

>>170797989
No, they were blessed by the chief. That guy was also a prophet, so he had one or two points in priesthood.

>>170797282
i would take Water 9 or Death 9 bless for them.
you don't need to increase you hit chance when you already have good attack score and many attacks per square and you don't need additional fire damage if the base damage is already good.

>>170798140
But Fire has more fun items to craft and really fun summons too.

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>>170797864
20 F9 blessed WotFE should stomp all over twice that number of barbs.

If you actually had them lose to barbarians, you have the worst luck I've ever seen.

>>170798140
The only thing D9 is good for is ancestral spirits. It might be worth it as a dual bless with something that helps TC's other sacreds, but definitely not as a monobless.

>>170798218
death 9 has crazy utilities, w9 has a good scaling spell if the enemy has no big armor or cold protection.

>>170798268
I didn't say I lost, I just said a lot of them died. Aren't sacred units supposed to be extra elite stronk who aren't afraid of no enemies?
Even you got almost half of them dead.

>>170795125
Between giving shitty weapons to everyone in your country, and giving elite weapons to your elite troops, which do you think is better in war?

>>170798540
Sacreds are literally whatever people religiously revere.

>>170798540
>Even you got almost half of them dead.
Half would be 10. I lost a quarter, and that's mainly because I did zero scripting apart from telling the commander to bless them.

The barbarians ended up flanking them, which was the cause of basically all those 6 kills. I also gave up first hit to the barbarians.

Despite fucking up and having a suboptimal bless, I killed troops worth 4x as much as what I lost. Is 20 guys easily beating 60 not elite enough for you?

>>170798589
Giving shitty weapons to everyone. Even a trained warrior will fall in front of twenty peasants.

>>170798916

Not if it is a sacred berserker who doesnt fatigue and regenerates his wounds.

>>170795948

If you've got Dragon Mastery and have supplied your summoner with a Dragon Sceptre, they're pretty great. But for most purposes Fire Snakes are more efficient.

>>170801324

Does Dragon Mastery apply to the Tarrasque?

>>170801324
Is it really worth it? By the time you hit enchantment 8, drakes aren't going to be very effective troops anymore.

>>170801485
>Drake, Wyvern, or Sea Serpent
Nope.

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wrong neighborhood, weeb motherfucker

>>170801818

Oh, yeah. In vanilla it's not particularly amazing. But Summod massively reduces the cost and moves it earlier, where it can be a bit more useful.

>>170803156
Is that the all sacreds game?

>>170803315
Ah, where's it at in summod?

>>170803326
yep

What would be better for tribless, wolves or horned serpents?

>>170803379
You get like 4 wolves per horned serpent. I'd go for them.

>>170803156
>cast swarm
>suddenly there are 20 size 1 sacreds with 9hp, 6AP damage, and blood vengeance

>>170803603
>dragonflies have 15 attack
>F9 makes it 19 attack and 6AP fire damage
w e w l a d

Shilling about disciple game, Game will be 3v3v3. There are currently 4 of us. Age,map and other settings can be changed. If you are interested PM me on discord YoyBoy#5823 or add me on steam http://steamcommunity.com/id/lukamrko_1/

Temporary game page http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=Ragnorak

>>170803358

Ench 6, for 14N gems. Pretty sure that's a Cronemod holdover.

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I shouldn't still be alive but I am.

So I've build some temples in provinces with enemy dominion and have some priests preaching, but the enemy dominion is going up even though it's in the middle of my territory.

Anybody knows why?

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>now bats are sending me poetry while trying to expand into my capring
I fucking hate this game.

>>170710759
CAN'T WAKE UP

>>170805226
They have more temples than you.

>>170805415
I have like 70 provinces and 70 temples, some are converted and some just go up.

>>170806586
Then he probably has 80 temples.

>>170806646
all other provinces are fine, is it possible that there is just some false prophet hiding? How do I take him out?

>>170806820
Have your armies patrolling, I guess.

Question about the spells. It says it rusts armour, but would it rust non metal armours like leather, ice, etc?

>>170808186
No. Inspector has a list of armors and a unique tag "made of iron". It only affects those.

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>>170795125
Your scales won't count for shit when a few sacred elites with a decent bless can take down a significantly larger force, or when Wish/Globals kills the world

This is what usually happens to players with scale builds:
1. They expand quickly and kill maybe one or two neighbors
2. Proceed to lose repeatedly once other players get their sacreds/research/thugs in order
3. Turn AI

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>>170810964
So scales are for rush?

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Just noticed this.

Atlantis, Ragha, are you guys still playing?
Otherwise it's time to look for subs/set people AI.

Preemptive extension by 24 hours or until resolved.

>>170808232

cool, thanks.

>>170812530
>only two stales
>"total stales : 3"
Are you inflating the number of stales to create an excuse to kick trouble some players that get in your way?

>>170813717
>it's this b8 again

>>170811825
Not rush, more like a guaranteed decent midgame. But hés saying when the lategame comes and he has for example an N9E4 bless for all his sacred thugs, and yours have to make do with more items and buffs, blesses can be very useful.

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>When you have Luck 2 and are getting domkilled

Mictlan, you around?

>>170815542
OH NO

>>170816313

DUM DUM DUMM

C'tis is being set AI.

>>170816592
I guess C'tis took too many of your provinces.

>>170816592
Nevermind. They staled because they were dead
>>170816782
nah, they just staled twice. As it turns out, they literally just died this last turn, so I'll just send the empty .2h so that the game doesn't need to wait for them. Not sure why that's a thing for dead nations, but what can ya do

>>170816905
Oh, right, it's for score graphs. Well that's neat, I guess.

>>170793490
>You can go Turmoil 3 Luck 3 for 0 net points, which is generally considered superior to Order 0 Luck 0.

Since when?

>>170795707
it;s a summod thing. It's also broken. (It was meant to be a hidden spell. The mod command I used to hide it wasn't meant to be used for that, and apparently that unexpected effect was 'fixed' a patch or two ago. So it's now visible.)

Ur still needs to be deleted from EA_innovativethrones

Unless turn1 AIs are what floats your boat.

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>just discovered if you click on the image in the mod inspector it shows their attack sprite

Holy shit this changes everything.

>>170820346
Oh, but they are.

>>170805337
Did he give you a quest too?

>>170821183
Not him, but Xib named his prophet "Giver of Quests, Tester of Heroes" so I'd say probably

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>>170821421

>>170805337
I'm holding off on submitting cause I hope Mictlan's around. He may be trying to expand into my capring.

>>170821183
He gave me a riddle.

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>>170823127
>>170821421
>quests
>riddles
All I get in my games is border demands and silence.

>>170823114
I noticed that he got both UW mercs. Does he own that whole river sea thing?

>>170804201
do you have a proper link to the map you picked? the one in your game just links to desura for me

>>170824154
No idea. I can't see it.

>>170823127
Fucking post it you nerd. This roleplay is the kinda of shit that we see every blue moon.

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>>170824589

>>170825157
Love?

>>170825157
That is fantastic. Props to Xibalba (Sy?). I don't have any reasonable guesses for the answer.

>>170825157
diplomancy

>>170825874
Don't care. I'm not sick of regular Dominions games to care about that stuff.

I'm more agiated that he's boxing hard and tried to expand in my capring.

>>170826087
You can probably just make some territorial demands if you're packing a big bless. Invading into H3 would suck and if he has a B6+ bless, his sacreds can actually kill your giants, but at the same time he'd lose every fight against your sacreds if he hits them with his regular bats. I don't know if he'll actually be willing to cede territory given his roleplaying thing. Maybe if you answer his riddle you can ask for provinces as your reward

>>170824391
Nah I choose it at random. Every player can make map suggestion and currently we have Valanis and this one http://z7.invisionfree.com/Dom3mods/index.php?showtopic=3082

Also I m still looking for players for upcoming disciple game. Game will be set as 3v3v3. There are currently 4 players. If you are interested PM me on discord YoyBoy#5823
or add me on steam http://steamcommunity.com/id/lukamrko_1/

>>170825157
>>170826070
I second diplomacy. If we had a theme it would've been easier.

Cheater using other's to help you while I gotta kill fucking ozelots with a merrow.

>>170826070
This nigga, that's gotta be it.

>>170826087
Xibalba deserves better than you.

>>170820586
I know this feel.

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>>170827063
Maybe. I found it pretty funny how the bats all just passed out 3 turns in due to being coldblooded.

>>170827152
>Cheater using other's to help you while I gotta kill fucking ozelots with a merrow.
I submitted a joke answer because >>170826087

>>170827239
I've been working Saturday and Sunday, when I come home, I just want to do the turns in my nerd game, drink 2 beers, jerk off and go to sleep. Not really in the mood to engage in rhymes in a language that isn't my first.

I don't mind extensive diplomacy, but you can't blame me for not engaging in this outside of a non-RP game.

>>170827584
>Maybe. I found it pretty funny how the bats all just passed out 3 turns in due to being coldblooded.
Yeah, his regular bats can't fight you at all in cold 3. It's only when you try to fight in his dom or go up against high strength sacreds that you take losses.

>>170827152 (You)
>Cheater using other's to help you while I gotta kill fucking ozelots with a merrow.
I submitted a joke answer because >>170826087

How could you...
>>170827239
Is right Xibalba deserves better than this. Even if it could possibly some ancient copypasta but typing this shit out is even more difficult than thinking of the rhymes themselves.

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>>170828136
>Even if it could possibly some ancient copypasta but typing this shit out is even more difficult than thinking of the rhymes themselves.
Pic related. Then again, my answer isn't bad.

>>170828136
>Even if it could possibly some ancient copypasta
I don't see how that's possible

>>170828973
Dominions 1 was out in like the 90s.

>>170829195
but Xibalba's new