/hsg/ - Hearthstone General

first for I will be falling for these jewish tricks do NOT follow me

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Why does this exist

>>170927187
So that you have a lower chance of unpacking Kazaks, Aya or Patches.

>>170927187
Demon Renolock will be OP in a few expansions m8

It's already kinda good in wild

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wroooom?

>>170927558
Kek

>>170927187
because their """""""""internal testers"""""" play about 5 matches a month and they honestly have no idea about card powerlevels so they honestly think shit like krul, knucles and don han'cho will be used in a meta with patches, aya and kazakus

look at the aggro nerf announcement on lebbit when the team5 dude said they didn't even playtest with the changes to see if jade would be too strong without aggro keeping it in check. he basically said 'we predict druid should be fine'

>>170916504
> Card
Shaku, the Collector
> Card Art
Ragnaros, Lightlord
> Summon line
I MEME, AND THE WORLD TREMBLES
> Attack Line
DIBEDEDONT- TOUCH THAT
> Death Line
AYYYYYEEEeeee......
> Emote
By the Holy Light!!

>>170927558
>if your opponents hand is empty
has there ever been a meta where that card would be good?

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Stop complaining about prices, the game is still free to play.

>>170927832
Arena

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>>170926750
>>170926852
who /goodgoy/ here

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>>170928353
Take it all the way in anon. Dont spill a single drop

I'm upset about this game, having no cards and constantly losing is killing me inside

>>170928580
it's pay4fun anon

>>170928491
Im loving this new shitpost keep it up famalam

80 gold quest on NA first person to add me gets it
CleverTricks#1430

>>170928580
Stop being a dingleberry and buy some pirate warrior.

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>>170927558

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Can someone explain this deck to me?

I don't understand what the appeal of it is

It's literally a coin flip

>open up hs
>get sick to my stomach
what does it mean?

>>170929213
>It's literally a coin flip
That's the appeal of the entire game, anon.

>>170929090
sent

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>>170929440
You my friend just got Cleverly Tricked. Just a taste of whats to come. Enjoy it

>>170929326
Ye, but the point of it so try to get it as close to your percentage as possible

Like for example my transform shamen deck gives me a net advantage of at least 75% with my transforms and they're usually a positive

This fucking deck is literally
>I have to get a good draw and hope my opponent dosen't have a rush

How anyone can be in at least rank 15 and still run this deck is beyond my comprehension

Out of my last 10 games, 8 have been pirate warrior.

Wild meta is fucked.

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>>170927187
Why does shitstine exist?

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>>170929519
two's better than one

>>170929213
there was a brawl where it was good IIR

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I miss Forsen...

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>>170929903
>playing casual wild

the mode might as well be called "Play against Pirate Warriors"

play ranked wild if you want to play wild atm

>>170930326
>if you want to play wild
yeah I totally want that

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Play wild. Dont forget to craft all the wild cards go...anons

newfriend here, what do people exactly mean by SMOrc? going face?

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>don't have card
>"Fuck card! Card is so broken it shouldn't exist!"

Whoa... So this is the power of being a poorfag

>>170930849
SMorc is a twitch emote for space marine orc

It is the closest thing to Rexxar's face and people would spam it when face hunters were prominent

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>>170930849
Yep, attacking face.

Does Thijs have autism?

>>170930882
>cards so broken that the only way to beat them is to play them yourself

So this is the power of great balancing

>>170931035
>>170931371
i see, thanks

>>170931709
Name one card like this.

Is there even any difference in skill between 20 and 15?

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*blocks your path*

shouldn't have broken that rune, aggro shitter

>>170931794
Loatheb
Dr. Boom

>>170931794
The jade package and patches.

>>170932014
Those are wild cards, you lose this argument

>Perfect value combo with mage in late game drowing renolocks and jade druids in their own piss
>Can't reach late game
Fuck

>>170931794
The 4 mana 4 dmg plus jade golem shaman card I guess.

>>170932068
They weren't always wild cards you fucking faggot.

>>170932046
>Play Jade package
>Lose to pirate warrior

>Play pirate warrior
>Lose to dragon priest

Wow...

>>170932176
But they are now because they were balanced away to wild to fix the problem that were the cards themselves. There are no all-deck auto-includes this meta.

>>170932014
What the fuck is loatheb going to do vs. zoo (which was prominent at the time)

Dr Boom did nothing vs. face hunter

Your arguments only apply for decks of the same archetype

>>170932209
Oh my bad, I forgot drakonide operative. But yeah, you pretty much described the whole current meta.

>>170932435
Rock paper scissors is the ultimate "balanced" game.

This is what you faggots asked for. A balanced game.

If one card/deck was truly OP it would be the only deck that people use so like karazhan all-shaman meta. But even then there were counters.

>>170931981
>I was once an adventurer like you...

I love how Arrow to the Knee is a spell too

>Savjz streaming Elder Scrolls Legends while at Zeriyah's place

She's gotta be mad.

>>170932341
>balanced away to Wild
>Wild
>where the OP cards aren't even played anymore because the new cards are that much more imbalanced
>where THE meta last month was literally Renolock, Pirate Warrior and Aggro Shaman
Good argument by bringing up Wild there

I watched Hafu stream Arena ONCE and I fell in love.

Her attitude kinda bugged me but SHE A CUTE

>>170932792
You love it?

Are you a 9gag user or something?

>>170932939
>children card game
>expecting the general to have adults and not meme-spouting 14 year olds
hmm

>>170932871
The original argument was whether there are or are not cards that are so good the only counter is themselves. Even within wild there are no such cards.

>>170932776
No. The ultimate balanced game would be a game where all parties have the same win chance against each other regardless of deck type.
By your definition of balance you should auto concede in 30% of the match ups.

>>170932817
is she in the stream viewers list?

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feels good, man

I was playing casino mage

I am a newer player and I am having trouble figuring out what to play or even craft.

I like the warrior class so far but my friend said warrior is probably the harder class to get into because its so legendary card dependent sometimes.

What is your take on it /hsg/? I prefer playing like "mid range" type of decks but preferably warrior.

I also like combo decks but not ones that are overly complicated I guess. I was told grim patron deck would probably be up my ally. I like how you combo with whats on your board. Not really whats in your hand. If that makes sense?

Anyway, just looking for some guidance on decks and what I should be spending resources on collection wise.

>>170933107

>No. The ultimate balanced game would be a game where all parties have the same win chance against each other regardless of deck type.
How is that even a game? What determines who wins? You're just saying things at this point.

>By your definition of balance you should auto concede in 30% of the match ups.
...Yes? Does this not happen when you play rock paper scissors?

>>170933443
Your friend lives in 2015. Warrior nowadays only uses one legendary, two at most. Patches and Leeroy.

So playing Hearthstone again now it seems that win conditions are more important than card value with how many cards give you cards now.

Am I right?

>>170933443
your friend has outdated info
warrior used to be the most expensive class in the game but right now pirate warrior is one of the cheapest ones there are

craft ragnaros or sylvanas if you can afford them before the new expansion since you get all your dust back and can then dust them again for pure profit
also ragnaros is the most versatile legendary in the game while he remains in standard

>>170932939
I just think it's funny you asshole, you can improve your communication techniques by being pragmatic, which means taking context into consideration you worthless autist

>>170933443
Wait for the next expansion before crafting or buying anything

>>170931981
Is that fucking Ben Brode?

>>170933434
It's weird how often my mother is a subject in those arguments. It's like being back in the 90ies

>>170933558
I think he probably means that Tier 1 decks shouldn't outright bully everything else due to how big the difference in power level is, you should still have one small chance of winning no matter the deck

Have you tried running something homebrewed against pirate warrior? That shit is being bullied at its finest

>>170933776
tbqh if someone is playing a faggy deck it was probably the mothers poor child raising skills that led to that. Maybe they should die too.

>>170933558
I almost fell for it

>>170929161
Can someone give me the link to this post? I've seen it here so many times and thought it was a joke, but is it really true? Did a developer actually say that?

>>170933662

the next expansion being ungoro I presume? I can wait for that then. So what should I be doing in the mean time? Just try to collect dust and gold?

Is warrior taunt a thing? I noticed warrior has a lot of cards that beef up taunt creatures.

>>170934263
Why not? It seems logical to me.

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play control Cunnycraft

>>170930797
Would you rather craft the staple gvg/naxx cards that will never be powercreeped, or dump money/gold into standard every fucking year to stay relevant?
Choice seems obvious to me.

>>170933959
If this is the case then he completely changed the argument.

I'm saying that for a game to be balanced, each option should have an equal chance of winning. This is obviously not the case in all of hearthstone, but it is at least somewhat true within Tier 1 decks.

In any case, that guy seems to think that for a game to be balanced, each option should have an equal chance of winning *against each option* which dilutes the game to almost nothing. How can you have different strategies if they aren't actually different from each other?

>>170934263
https://us.battle.net/forums/en/hearthstone/topic/20753296744#post-10

>>170934376
craft rag and sylv bruh
they cost nothing since you get 100% dust back once un'goro hits
same with azure drake, ice lance, conceal and power overwhelming

blizzard keeps trying to make taunt warrior a thing but it has never been anything but a meme

>>170933776
>arguments
what

>>170934376
the problem with hearthstone is that 90% of the playerbase plays decks they found on the internet. These decks are among the best. Taunt warrior isn't one of them, but you can always try to make one, just don't feel down if it doesn't work.

>>170934642
>90% of the playerbase over rank 19 plays decks they found on the internet
more accurate this way

>>170934567
Please tell me how a new player should be able to craft cards with a value of 3200 dust.

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>>170934376
I did as well if not better than a couple of pro players in a recent tournament using a taunt warrior deck. it was banned every match :^)

>>170934865
azure drake and the commons then
rag is more flashy and fun is all

>>170934567
>Azur drake rotates out
Whut?

>>170935045
http://us.battle.net/hearthstone/en/blog/20475356/a-year-of-mammoth-proportions-2-16-2017

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>>170935045
keep up bro
http://us.battle.net/hearthstone/en/blog/20475356/a-year-of-mammoth-proportions-2-16-2017

>>170935045
welcome to a month ago you drooling faggot retard fuck

>>170935045
t. shieldbearer

>>170935181
>>170935176
>>170935118
Why don't they just nerf it a little bit?

>>170934993
>successful taunt warrior deck
>doesn't use bolster

How can we fix this card

>>170935324
that'd take efford

Blue Dinosaur
5 mana 4/4
Spell Damage +1.
Battlecry: Draw a card.
Beast

What do you lads think?

>playing renounce warlock
>have 8 cards in hand including renounce
>have to use Soulfire before using renounce or else I lose
>Soulfire discards renounce
>keep playing and drops most of my cards in hand
>have 2nd Soulfire, 2 Silverware golems, PO and Doomguard in hand
>Doomguard discards Soulfire and PO leaving Silverware in hands

Sometimes the RNG really wants to fuck you up really hard.

>>170935440
I'm running it in every mid range deck.

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>>170935176

>people play this card
>this is a problem
They crank out so many shit cards that they are baffled when people consistently use any given card

>>170935324
Because they are too retarded to actually be able to do it and too lazy to bother doing it. And since the player base praises Brode for making that rap video, they can do whatever they want without facing any consequences. Like increasing the price of the game. Increasing the number of legendary cards. Adding more expansions and removing adventures... Not important. Ben made a cool rap video and they need money because they are a business so you have no right to complain.

>>170935324
nerfing cards really sucks
much better to rotate them out and have them intact in wild
how do you even nerf azure drake? cut one stat and it's unplayable garbage, cut the dragon tag and it changes nothing, cut the spell damage and it's unplayable garbage

>>170935440
shit/10 it will never see play try again

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>>170935440
It's an epic because it has such an unique effect.

>>170935649
Don't touch it because it's perfectly fine and instead print other 5 drops that don't suck horse dick.

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>>170935440
my dick is rock hard like a fucking rock

>>170935376
10 seconds of thinking
Azur Drake is strong because it's a card that does everything at once.
>Spell synenergy
>Card neutral
>Is a mid game body to deal with
The two first points are characteristic for AD, so we work on the 3. point.
4 dmg isn't mich, but it's hard to remove and binds at least one mid game spell or minion for one round.
Make it 3 health, you need to deal with it but it's not as punishing, fixed.

>>170935836
azure drake is really fucking powerful though
many players underestimate its sheer value and cling on to the ridiculous idea that it isn't actually that strong but only seems so relative to other 5 drops

>>170935649
>Rotate classic cards out

>>170936075
I would rather blade flurry and molten had been rotated out than the bullshit blizzard decided

>>170935836
that would be power creep. Think about it for a second, the golden standard when the game started was the yeti at 4/5 for 4 mana. so 4/4 is 3.5 mana.

+1 spell damage costs around 1 mana by itself if you look at other cards, so does drawing a card. (even 1.5 for slow shit like arcane intellect)

azure drake is worth at least 5.5 mana BEFORE you consider the fact that it's a dragon.

make it 3 health, or make it 4/5 for 6, there you go, easy as fuck.

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>>170934393
>Nobody's using them
In what reality is it ok for a card game developer to say he's happy players aren't using card x? Thats a retarded line of thinking. Its one thing to release niche cards that see play in few decks but are still viable. Its another to say you outright don't want the cards to see play. These devs are so fucking incompetent, and its so fucking obvious, its amazing reddit cucks still defend them after all the dumb shit that comes out of their mouths.

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I saw the sign and it opened up my eyes and i am happy now living with Shaman. I hurt so much but oh oh oh

>>170936338
they designed filler, it's blatantly obvious

>>170936338
the actual quote is
>e Hogriders in Mean Streets were the first example of this, and it’s reassuring to see that no one is using them to one-shot their opponents.
the guy in the picture is quoting it to mock them

>>170936235
This is patently false. Spell damage is not worth one mana, look at geomancer. 2 mana 2/2 with spell damage. Its worth one stat point. You can argue about tribes I suppose, but is one stat and tribe really worth one mana?

I will say that Drake maybe was slightly better than its cost mana wise, but far from broken. How about release more non shitty five drops instead of killing the only good one?

>>170936708

They want people to use burgly bully as the standard 5 drop. Since its an epic card its a good strategy to herd the goys.

>>170936338
No bruh, the initial thought behind this was "let's make a card that has charge as a mechanic to affect the board but isn't used for OTKs which are not "interactive""
The second thought is "it seemed to work because nobody is using it"
That nobody is using it wasn't intended, but it is a sign that they didn't create an OP card, which is good.

>>170936235
Vanilla minions are a mistake and shouldn't exist. The game will never be around vanilla minions and they will never be playable as long as you have a choice therefore using them as some standard of balance is stupid.

The second problem with your reasoning is that you think that minions should linearly get stronger with mana cost which is retarded and promotes nothing but aggro. If I drop a late game minion and use all my mana on that turn, then it better do some stupidly power shit or I won't play it. They aren't worth it if they can be easily removed on top of not having a powerful effect.

Azure Drake is in middle of the mana curve. It has rather low stats, lower than most 4 mana minions and has cycling which is desperately needed at that stage of the game. Rogue is basically the only class that could genuinely use the spell damage because of prep and free spells. Other classes needed to wait much later to combo it at which point their spells weren't really efficient.

Even if we go by your stats, card cycling is worth 1 mana and spell damage is worth 0-0.5 mana. Yes, 0 mana. Look at Cult Sorceress.
Azure's body is basically worth 3.5 mana. 3.5+0.5+1=5. The tag is free in this case, and that's if we go with the 0.5 instead of 0.

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This happens so God damned frequently. More than any other spell. Is RNG real or are some outcomes programmed to be more likely?

>>170937167
What are you complaining about. Just use it together with your Medivh.

>>170936235
Not quite right; Spell damage and taunt are 0.5 mana. Draw a card is 1.5 mana.
That does add up to 2 mana though, so 4/3 azur drake for 5 mana is prefectly fine (maybe even better because it combines 2 effects)

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>be at 10
>have lethal on board
>pirate warrior has war axe and two cards one of which I know is a weapon
>think there's no chance he can kill me since no card deals more than 6 in his deck and he would have played a stronger weapon if he had it
>reveals the korkron
>reveals the arcanite reaper
>immediately concede because thought there was no chance he had a better weapon for more damage
>figure out the moment the button is hit that he only had 9 damage
who /retarded/ here?

>>170932918
But would you sniff her butthole anon?

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>>170937030
>Vanilla minions are a mistake and shouldn't exist.

>>170933434
Post dick

If you could remove 1 card from the game, which one is it?

>>170937283
>>170937030
>>170936708

a combination of all of these reasonings is valid. I'm not outright saying any of you is wrong, because I don't have the data to prove it. But things like cult sorceress are clearly the exception because class-cards have always been overvalued by 1 to 1.5 mana.

powercreep by linearity being wrong, while partially right, is offset by the fact that cards themselves cost the slot in your hand, as in running out of cards in your hand if you only have cheap cards.

kobold geomancer's spell damage costs 1 stat point, but archmage's costs 1 mana.

>>170934558
interesting. The image says

>The Hogriders in Mean Streets were the first example of this, and it’s reassuring to see that no one is using them.

but the post now says

>The Hogriders in Mean Streets were the first example of this, and it’s reassuring to see that no one is using them to one-shot their opponents.

>>170937969
leeroy jenkins

>>170938038
I considered that but the lore/design is just too good.

>>170935618
*enter ben brode argument "bad cards for who?"*

I can't find the Tweet right now but you guys know what I'm talking about.

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jade nzoth is the only rogue deck I have ever actually enjoyed playing

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>>170937729
This is my only Mage deck at the moment, I like doing quests with it.

I could play Reno but this is more fun

>>170938192
Looks alright thanks senpai

>>170938108
no I don't, describe the point of view?

>>170937668
But they are. They were playable when the game released simply because you had no other choice. It was blatantly obvious that they won't see any play when enough cards are added and here we are. What vanilla minion sees play outside of arena?

I'm not saying they should powercreep the hell out of the game, but they do need to increase the power level of late game minions and spells.

>>170938028
>is offset by the fact that cards themselves cost the slot in your hand
That would be true if we weren't limited to 30 health, meaning that the linearity of the cards allows the opponent to kill you before the slots start being relevant. That's the reason why Zoo was always so strong until Team 5 went full retard with Kara and MSG.

And you yourself just said that the effects don't have a consistent cost. I think there is nothing wrong with a slight, small powercreep on cards that don't see absolutely any play. That's hard on low cost cards since even 1 stat makes or breaks it, but on late game cards that don't see play there is plenty of room for experimentation.

>>170938192
>14/30 cards are random
>Casino
Don't like to gamble hmm?

>>170938192
>casino
But

It just looks like tempo mage with the only actual big risk big reward part being Servant

>>170938458
well, what else would you add that wouldn't make it complete shit?

>>170938107
so fed up with losing to that piece of shit every game
>against aggro
>lose to LEEEEROY as a finisher
>against miracle
>lose to LEEEEROY as a finisher
>against renolock
>lose to LEEEEROY as a finisher
just fuck everyhing about this fucking card

>>170938360
Someone asked Brode on Twitter why they print so many bad cards.

His answer was literally "bad cards for who?" and justified it by mentioning people who like playing wacky decks.

>>170938572
yeah, but you definitely need to see his point of view as design lead, there are an xbox hueg amount of casual players on Hearthstone

>>170938028
Between arch mage and kobold, which do you think has seen more play? Kobold obviously.
High cost cards like arch mage are considered trash. Do you want azure to be trash?
Between nerfing and rotating, I'd take rotation any day of the week.
Of course, if we had competent devs neither would be required, as they could release non shitty cards.

>>170938558
>Against rouge
>LEEEEEEEROY
>Shadowstep it for a 18 dmg burst next turn

>>170938187
The fact that you managed to survive so long is a miracle on itself. You're facing the one and only reno priest on ladder.

I tried jade n'zoth rogue and I don't enjoy it either. While I really like the regular n'zoth rogue. You're too reliant on the combo's to happen. You need to Raptor the Swarmer or you've lost right there against any control deck. You have no way of dealing with aggro. And when you manage to drop N'Zoth, he gets you stupid 1/1 shit that needs to die to summon golems that do nothing until the next turn. That completely negates the swing potential of N'Zoth. You need 2 turns after summoning N'Zoth to start seeing the benefits of it.

>>170938683
fuck off kibler

>>170938761
the 14 damage cold blood bullshit is the more common way since the nerf

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>>170935374

Successful taunt warrior decks are simply midrangey tempo decks that use the warrior's high-statted taunt minions as part of their arsenal. Bolster is a dead card (/win-more) most of the time since you're usually going one-for-one on the board. At the time you've gained the upper hand you don't need bolster

I used to have everything from bolster to rampage in this deck but it evolved into an actual viable version after I discarded those cards

>>170938558
just play around it dude

>>170938683
But what is his point?
Casuals have fun playing with objectively shitty cards?

We all know that the game needs to some fun cards. Those cards might not be competitive, but they are fun. Renounce Darkness is a nice example of that. But they are FUN.
The problem is that they release fun cards that are not fun. Not to anyone. How is a 2 mana 3/2 with taunt fun? How is a 4 mana 3/6 fun? Yes, just that. No effects. How is Genoz the Shark fun?

No matter how casual you are, you don't enjoy losing 99% of your games.

>>170939296
thanks next time i'll make sure to not take any damage through the course of the game

>>170939310
ok but if a normal player puts a single hogrider in their deck they're not gonna automatically lose 99% of their games

maybe some shithead wants to play bolster warrior with the 2 mana 3/2, or a priest wants to play double fight promotor with the 4 mana 3/6

>>170939310
That's why arena is the only good thing about hearthstone

>>170939407
good idea. see, it's not that big a deal. and you were all worked up over nothing.

>>170939550
thanks ben

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>Go onto the voting site to make sure I've done so
>Out of curiosity look at Pavel's description
>'I'm the current world champion'
I laughed at how fucking blunt that was

>>170939478
How is Hogrider fun again?

Also even if someone wants to play bolster warrior for god knows what reason, the 2 3/2 isn't fun. It's just a 3/2 with taunt. It does nothing.

>>170939310
Brode always every fucking time brings up majordomo as the end all be all of his argument
but nobody is complaining about majordomo
majordomo is a fun unique card that also happens to be garbage

but what the fuck is the point of grook fu master or pompous thespian?

>>170939682
i think you might be losing sight of the point here

ben brode said 'bad cards for who?' meaning that at some point, some players could find certain cards good regardless of their objective worth compared to the set and meta of the time.

Like, a casual player could have made a bolster warrior homebrew and gotten a sick turn 6 combo off with two of those 3/2 2 mana taunts and wrecked face and thinks that card isn't terrible

>>170939982
a casual player might have more fun if he actually wins a game like ever

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>shaman has most of the fun meme cards
>try to play a fun deck
>consistently end up killing opponent like a standard aggro/midrange dick before doing anything fun

>>170940073
have you played casual recently??

you can win with literally anything

>>170939865
>majordomo is a fun unique card that also happens to be garbage
This right here. No one will cry if the fun card happens to be bad. At least they tried.

>>170939982
Just because someone uses a card doesn't change the fact that it's bad. I fucking LOVE Thistle Tea. But it's a fucking bad card. I used it. But it's a bad card.
People can use bad cards, it doesn't change the fact that they are bad.

And that same casual in your story could have even more fun if the cards he played weren't garbage. In fact, the idea of him using Pompous Thespian relies on him using other cards that aren't garbage. The other cards enable it, not the 3/2 himself.

>>170940269
is perspective really this hard of a concept to grasp for you??

are you actually autistic and can't put yourself in a casual player's shoes??

>>170940401
kibler it really is time to leave for reddit where your blatant shilling is appreciated

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majordomo up in this

esl trinity series when?

watch this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fAqgm9W6EGw

>>170940641
greetings to Iceland

>>170940660
this is the best webm i may have ever seen

>>170940660
See, that's fun and wacky.

But badly statted vanilla minions like Worgen Greaser are not. Everyone would be better off if it didn't exist, but gotta dilute the card pool to boost pack sales!

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>>170940893
greetings friend

Do you guys also get upset when facing certain decks? I'm losing my shit at jade and dragon priest, it's everytime the same disaster and uphill battle

>>170941165
I dislike those two as well. I don't really get upset but I just know I won't be having any fun that match. i had the same problem with Freeze Mage and Tank Up Warrior.

Those decks are just designed to prevent you from having fun.

>>170938534
Yogg duh

>>170941165
I get that way every time I see a Mage or Warlock. I keep telling myself, "When's this faggot gonna fucking play his Reno?" It always seems like every time they need it, it's in their hand. I wish I could find a single card out of 29 others in my deck every game I play.

>go face instead of trading
>opponent makes the trade for me
D E V I L I S H

>>170940660
Now the anon that is not Kibler defending Worgen Greaser and Pompous Thespian needs to make a fun wemb using those cards and lets vote on what is more fun.

>>170941473
>le ebin aggro shitter post XD
kill yourself

>>170941165
just renolock

All I want is free wins from rank 7 to 5. What should I play?

>>170941165
i get upset whenever any reno deck has the perfect answers. it's just obnoxious when they hit so many 1 ofs on curve.

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Can we please talk about why this card is allowed to exist? Why is it okay that a single control can kill off an entire archetype? Fatigue was the only way I liked to play Hearthstone. Does this mean I am just supposed to not play the game anymore?

>>170942125
play around it :^)
seriously though just kill the druid

>>170941756
jamming games of pirate warrior can get you there fast. i did well with midrange jade shaman. it has answers to pirate warriors and can go into the longer games with the other decks.

>>170942125
>Does this mean I am just supposed to not play the game anymore?
winning isnt everything anon :)

>>170941570
Literally anything except Jade loses to Reno. Reno has enough steam to outlast almost all forms of Midrange and some forms of Control. Reno decks do shit in against Pirates and all other forms of Aggro. It's an interesting concept for building decks, but disgusting to play against.

>>170942125
Currently the thing that is killing control are Reno and Kazakus. Wait until rotation and then Idol will be the problem if Pirate Warrior doesn't stay relevant.

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>>170942125
>why this card is allowed to exist
Let's ask the lead developer. There, it's all clear now.

>>170942125
>He thinks Jade Idol is the problem for fatigue decks right now
LaughingPirates.jpg

>>170942940
"Now it's like, there's control warrior AND this jade druid deck"

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Can we please talk about why this card is allowed to exist? Why is it okay that a single card can kill off an entire archetype? Secrets were the only way I liked to play Hearthstone. Does this mean I am just supposed to not play the game anymore?

>>170942892

t. Garrosh and Patches

>>170943408
I honestly can't tell if this is a troll post.

>>170943408

Get fucked ice block shitter

>>170942940
BUT HE'S SAYING NOTHING

NOTHING AT ALL AAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>170943479
Aggro is keeping jades in check. That's a fact. Even non-fatigue control has a bad matchup against jade druid. The only reason Jade Druid isn't more popular is because pirate warrior still shits on everything else and only Reno can reliably fight it.

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Can we please talk about why this card is allowed to exist? Why is it okay that a single card can kill off an entire archetype? Going face was the only way I liked to play Hearthstone. Does this mean I am just supposed to not play the game anymore?

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>>170942838
this post is completely retarded
>Reno has enough steam to outlast almost all forms of Midrange and some forms of Control
reno beats almost all other control decks but often struggles against midrange because they don't care about reno
>Reno decks do shit in against Pirates and all other forms of Aggro.
renolock, mage and priest are all excellent against aggro, in that order

here are my renolock stats for reference
you can see after all rogues became aggro the win rate skyrocketed, the dragon priests are more difficult than the reno priests which were really easy for most of msg and pirate warrior is a heavily favored matchup

As a newer player, what decks can I even build? My decks all feel like incohesive garbage but I am playing against players that have FULL murloc decks and what not. My decks feel super incohesive and with no synergy I guess.

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>>170944164
>I am playing against players that have FULL murloc decks
whatever will you do against such p2w netdecks

>>170941165
I got really upset about dragon priest the other day because it's such a boring as deck with minion value through the roof.
Then I made some adjustments to my deck, putting 4 attack minions into it and won three times in a row where the enemy dragon priest and me were both on fatigue. The feel was so good that I forgot my anger.

>>170944164
Pirate warrior.

>>170944164
why are there so many "new player" posts

is this just a massive troll or epic level shilling to make the game look alive?

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>>170944271

>>170942838
Renolock has like 5 threats. Cancle them and win.

>>170944164
There are deck recipes with recommended decks and alternatives of missing cards when creating your own. Or look up that ugly asian boy trump and his tutorials, they are pretty good

>>170944164
You don't need synergy really. Just good tempo and value. Look up Trump's Teachings on YouTube

>>170944164
You can't do shit about it until you grinded for a whole year or buy packs with money. Sorry.
Try arena maybe.

>>170944673
It's really interesting and beyond my simple mind that value adds up during the game. I mean, where is it saved?

>>170945006
on board and in your hand

I don't think I can handle playing pirate warrior. I never feel in control and there's too much putting your faith in the topdeck. I got to rank 6 three stars then deranked to rank 7 zero stars and now I'm afraid to play.

>>170945654
play a nonshitter deck then

>>170945294
Does every deck has the same value? How do you explain the power of aggro decks?

>>170945654
I just faced a legendary card back pirate warrior with malzahar and brawl and a dragon warrior. Is the new meta already here?

>toast the meme decker plays yogg
>yogg casts 2 fucking pyroblasts on his own face

kek that was pretty funny

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>twitch chat mods on a power trip

what's the most inoffensive thing you've been banned for in twitch chat?

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? ? ?

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Has anyone else been getting nothing but "win x matches with x class" dailies lately? I got nothing but that for the last 4 days and I prefer doing other dailies that let me play fun and dumb shit

>>170945836
there are three basic resources in this game
mana, cards and health
value usually refers to the first two and especially card advantage

aggro decks sacrifice a lot of value by playing low cost garbage but they aim to pressure your health points too much before you have enough mana to make full use of your card advantage
reno is such a powerful card because he allows you to negate all that for free
if this sounds obvious it's because it is but it's very important to realize how mana puts such a hard cap on how greedy you can be
if you only have 6+ cost cards in your deck your opponent has 1+2+3+4+5=15 mana to play with before you can play your first card and that kind of lead is impossible to get back from
obviously this is an extreme example but it's important to realize that if you float mana your opponent is permanently ahead on mana and therefore tempo

watch this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATrWQ07Kmn4
and this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3ToGRbruBk

>>170946515
I've only gotten 2 non-40g quests in the last month. So, yeah, most of them were 3 wins with x class.

>>170946560
Thanks bro

>>170946515
I got play 10 divine shields today

>>170928194
Try starting a new account without spending any money. I guarantee you would quit within weeks, so stop using this bs non argument.

>>170928580
Cough up a few hundred dollars and only rng will kill you

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>>170947180

>>170935324
Because its not actually overpowered, its just a good card, something they seem to have a hard time making.

>>170946560
I'm not smart but I think that cards shouldn't be considered a ressource.
The ressources are board, health and mana.

Value is the ratio between board minion stats on the board and mana used.

You convert mana into board into health damage.

That's why an aggro warrior can still win by using charge minions. They cost a lot of mana and have shit stats, playing them is bad value, it's a waste of mana, but they can reduce the most important ressource, health, instantly. The game is over before the enemy can get an advantage out of his saved up mana.

should I just go ahead and craft n'zoth in anticipation of ungoro and amara?

>>170947180
I'm completely f2p since I started in 2015, it works.

>>170948360
cards are the quintessential resource
many decks' primary win condition is running the opponent out of cards
renolock for instance usually falls behind on the board and on health but gets back on health through reno and back on the board through board clears and then wins by exhausting the opponent out of cards

>>170946406
Imagine the hero power value if you could get Mukla and Beardo.

>>170927187
https://twitter.com/FibonacciHS/status/820424618540498945

>>170946283
I got timed out for saying I could pop Eloise's ice block.

>>170946283
my zeriyahnudes twitch account got banned, i didnt even say anything offensive

>>170948360
Cards are an important resource because they also give you more options. If you have 10 cards in hand while your opponent has only 1, he has just that one choice. You have up to 10 out of which all some will be counters to the opponents strategy while others won't.

On top of that there are mill decks that win by making you run out of cards in which case not only cards in your hand are resources but also in your deck. Before Jades many control mirrors would end up being extremely slow because who runs out of cards first basically lost. A good way to learn about card value was control warrior matchups. Pretty boring. Literally snore fests, but you learn card value.

>>170948908
i can see how that screenname would be contentious

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>>170948908
>>170948991
I dont see the problem

>>170935618
They're removing Classic Set cards that have good utility and generally are used in a lot of decks to encourage (force) players to buy their new cards to replace the purpose those cards served.

Azure Drake for example was a good source of mid--late game cycle with spell damage attached. Now that it's gone decks that would have used it will now have to use a different card for that draw power/spell damage, which means they will have to buy/craft one of the new cards in each rotation that can serve the same/a similar purpose.

It's the same with Rag and Sylvanas, both great big legendaries that players will now have to replace in their decks with a new card each rotation that can serve a similar purpose.

>>170948554
Yeah but I think that the ressource mana is saved in the cards.

If you don't have any cards you don't have mana. The 10 mana in your pool dont matter because you can't use them. The terms are a bit weird. "Mana" should always be "usable mana".
So mana is saved in the cards, usable mana (UA) is the ressource.

The warlock exhausts the enemies UA ressource which is as effective der exhausting his health/board.

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>>170942940

>jades for years

just fucking kill me now /hsg/

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why we aren't happy that jade druids ended control decks?

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>>170944164

just go play arena. its full of synergy now.

>mfw arena is the new go-to for noobs and shieldbearers

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>>170942125
>I like decks that make the game last as long as possible

>>170948982
Refer to>>170949183
If you have no cards on your hand you have less UA.
Imagine you don't have any cards but one all the time but his card has amazing value. It costs just as much mana as you have aviable and transforms into a 100/100 minion.
It doesn't matter how much cards the enemy has his value trades would be always worse. Giving that you have enough of the ressource health you would win any game, or, at worst, draw it because the enemy has 30 hard removal in his deck.

Card advantage is only good to directly save your health/attack the opponents/choose the best value trade.

>>170949712
Why new?

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>>170946283

>caster talks about "thought about it for a hot minute" during an eloise match
>type "a hot minute with eloise?" in chat
>get banned

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>tfw when you try to play C'thun druid
>tfw when you realize you can't fight the meta

>>170948853
>>170949885

is eloise the most white-knighted player in hearthstone history?

>>170950152
that would be slutfu

>>170949712
>new

>>170949769
To be fair, even ignoring the fatiguefags Jade Druid does basically kill the entire play style of control until Jade Idol rotates out.

No matter what they introduce in upcoming expansions for control it won't matter as long as that card exists because Jade Druid just hard counters any slow deck due to how snow-ballish it is.

Unless they introduce a mechanic for control that snowballs even harder than Jade does (god forbid, that would be fucking horrible to play against).

It's a very oppressive mechanic for anyone not playing aggro, combo or fast midrange and Idol is the most OP card with that mechanic.

>>170948483
It was much easier to start f2p in 2015. It all went to shit with the release of old gods.

>>170942940
>two years
>control warrior died because it can't compete with infinity 1 mana 6/6+ fatigue-denial
>TWO YEARS OF JADE
>they're printing quests that promote longer matches but not even the 8 mana set priest hp to 40 hp means shit if druid is spamming a 7/7, 8/8, 9/9 and 10/10 the very next turn
>t w o . y e a r s .

"after printing a 1 mana 4/2 we were afraid control might be too powerful" - Mickey D

>>170951176
>Control warrior dead
>Somehow this enrages you

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>>170951176
Would Jade Idol be balanced if it was 4 mana?

>>170948438
nzoth and quests in general are just worse forms of jade. both are building up to something massive, except jade is just more impactful along the way. this is why cthun is no longer played. jade will always be the most late game threat unless they print a toxic jade counter or make something completely insane. trump talked about this recently in his mammoth predictions.

>>170952046
Just make it so that it can't go infinite.

>>170952046
it should increase by 1 mana each time you play it. there balanced. you can hire me now blizzard.

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>>170952113
n'zoth plays some pretty good minions on the way

but he can be removed and that's that

remove jades? cool now go remove even bigger jades

>>170952046
it would be balanced if it shuffled a different version of idol that can only summon a golem and not shuffle itself again. and maybe make it 2 mana idk.

honestly anything that put a hard cap and doesn't make you go infinite with auctioneer.

>>170952479
i meant Play Cunnyverse

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does this defeat jade in the late game?

When does unguro come out? I want to craft leeroy but i want to see if theyre going to make more op legendarys.

>>170953719
you can find out next year

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>>170952527
Jade Idol (1 Mana):
Choose 1: Shuffle 2 Jade Tokens into your Deck or summon a (x/x) Jade Golem.

Jade Token (2 Mana):
Summon a (x/x) Jade Golem

>>170953801
april*

>>170953801
do what i do. 0 gold and 13k dust

While the retarded anons waste their money on preorders and get shitcards ill craft whatever the fuck i want and laugh in their faces

>>170953976
you mean april?

>>170953801
Mid April, i.e. in a month.

>>170954027
this post was so dumb I thought I was in /d2g/ again

Why did they choose fucking Un'goro Crater? There isn't even a dungeon there or anything. Could they have chosen a more boring and uneventful theme for an entire expansion?

>>170954479
ok Ben Brode i guess you convinced me to preorder :^)

>>170954830
Children like dinosaurs.

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>Play C'thun Warrior for a quest
>Run up against Dragon Priest
>Priest dominates most of the game.
>Get my C'Thun off and prepare for it to get Entombed.
>Deaths it instead.
>Sling down my Doomcaller to get another C'thun just as I go into fatigue.
>Priest concedes.

I'm really gonna miss C'thun when he rotates next year. I hope this coming Standard rotation brings the Old Gods back.

>>170950039

If you have a 51%+ WR, you can climb effectively.

Just believe, Anon.

>>170954830
member league of explorers?? member jungle expeditions? member? pls preorder

>>170953992
thanks, you un-broke jade

now blizz will never hire you

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WE MUST BUILD A FUCKING WALL

i hate this meta so much

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>log in
>jades and flamewaker still exist

>>170956996
flamewaker did nothing wrong

>>170956730

Only a few more weeks, Anon.

What are some neat decks I can build that include Moroes and 1 drop minions?

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OCfags Challenge: come up with a mechanic-friendly solution to jades that is not straight up "reset jade counter". Pic related's wording works because blizzard tends to add context to the card text so it doesn't have to explain everything.

hard mode: make it lore/flavor-friendly as well.

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Looking forward to Jade Mage

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>>170956996
THE RIDE NEVER ENDS

>>170957792
>solution to jades that is not straight up "reset jade counter

only every other summoned jade increases the attack.

>>170954830
They wanted to do a dinosaur thing.

Not like thee majority of people playing HS have even played WoW to begin with anon.

>>170958151
but that's still only a jade-hate card. No one will run specific tech against a single deck if we assume blizzard will shill out something stronger we will have to deal with as well. We need something that is good and shits on jade as well as fucking up a newer deck as well.

>>170958084

>I'M NOT LONELY ANYMORE
>AARRGH! MEDIIIIIIC!

>>170958206
desu I think hearthstone does better when it branches off and makes up characters like Reno, Elise and Rafam for the explorers league.

Thought the lore and and atmosphere had become cancerous in warcraft long ago, but for a childrens card game the light hearted no consequences comic book universe works.

>>170954830
I know why anon, you only need to look as far as the WoW Wiki for your answer.

>Un'Goro is known for many of its popular culture references

MEMES! THAT'S WHY ANON!

>>170958365
>but that's still only a jade-hate card
not a card, change the jade mechanic
Now only every other summoned jade boosts the attack

>queue with a deck that has taunt and oozes
>get a bunch of reno opponent
>queue without any taunt or ooze
>get pirates and jade shamans

I want to believe this is random luck but i just can't anymore.

>>170958850
I wish i had a dollar for every single time I needed a single card and never drawn it and the next game it shows up int opening hand the next game

>>170958537
Cant wait for my link, donkey kong and mario cards.

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>>170957792
I got nothing. It's tough to think of a card that would really hurt jade while still being generic.

I do have this anti-aggro card I made though. It's based on a character from WoW in Ungoro Crater.

>>170957792
7mana spell

Destroy a Minion and all other Minions with the same name.

Fucks jade, not a brick if your opponent isn't jade, and bad in the jade mirror.

>>170959387
Broken. And why use the flight master? He's a nobody

>>170959409
>7 Mana Destroy 1 minion
>Not a brick against anything other than Jade
>7 Mana destroy all Jades
>Fucks Jade, when they can just spam more, stronger Jade Golems next turn while you spent your entire turn just dealing with the shit they spammed last turn

Too slow to not brick your hand against aggro, also the fact that it's a late game card means that your Jade Druid opponent would have already reached the point where they're drawing more Jade Idols every other turn and can just make more Golems and murder you more.

>>170929161
Why don't they just remove faceless from standard so they don't have to worry about "Muh design space".

>>170959820
It's the concept of a character who controls the path in. Basically it's a "You must be this tall to ride" kind of thing.

Not the greatest I know but I couldn't think of anything else.

>>170959820
Control needs broken cards. How else are they going to compete with all the broken shit aggro already has?

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>>170957792
>7 mana 2/6
>At the end of your turn, destroy the minion with the highest attack
Silithid Swarm

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>>170957792

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>>170961460
>>170957792

There, I made it into a card. My first ever OC.
I think its really good.

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>>170959820
>early wow days
>one of the retards in the raid group pulls the flightmaster of a small town
>he proceeds to man mode dozens of players with swarms of mounts as an unstoppable killing machine

>>170963562
This is what warsong commander died for.

I wonder how long will it take for frothing nigger to get finally nerfed.

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is this deck good?

>>170963963
It has pirates and murlocs. Instant LEGEND!

>>170964073
and beasts and stealth

its PirateMurlocBeastStealthDragonZoobot rogue

>>170963848
Warsong had to die anon. It was definitely a fact that enabling charge on any small minion was far too restrictive on design.

I mean can you fucking imagine what Pirate Warrior would be like if Warsong didn't get nerfed? I don't really feel like giving charge to the majority of the minions in an already obscenely overpowered aggro deck.

Frothing should only gain attack when your minions get damaged though, not when any minion gets damaged.

>>170961585

nice. now just make it a battlecry effect so it can be a neutral.

>opponent has 16 HP and is a reno mage against my reno lock
>decided to clear my 6/6 with discounted arcane blast and fireball generating 2 fireballs and having ant on the board
>I have a 1/3 atiesh
>well I guess twisting nether is good I get an 8 drop
>maybe I'll get rag
>twisting
>WIIIIIIIIINDS OBEY MY COMMAND
>I have 2 mana left and 1 natural PO and one from a DP
>11/13 with windwury
>stories to tell your friends i have no friends

Its frustrating playing hearthstone sometimes. You seemingly have so many options. But the majority of options are complete dog shit.

Like what other decks are there for warrior besides pirate and fatigue warrior? I try playing fun stuff and get dumped.

So why are so many options shit?

>>170965318
wall warrior
water warrior
dragon warrior

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Have I shoved enough into this deck or is it possible to throw in more? help me go deeper /hsg/

>>170965543
ironfur grizzly

and two smuggler's runs for fun

>still no anti-magic cards
i hate all these faggots mage players from beta to this day.

Loatheb should be in standard FUCK

>>170965195
WIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIINDS

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>>170957792

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>>170966519
>>170962721

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>>170926750

>been playing for 2 weeks
>still lacking on any good cards/decks but understand the game from Twitch
>can't play ranked anymore because rank 15 and everyone else has legendary and adventure card decks
>can't get wins in casual because full of gold portrait shitters spamming emotes while playing aforementioned decks cause they can only beat basics like me

This is suffering. I only want to finish my Shaman daily with my basic Shaman deck, but I'm drowning in a sea of tournament level decks.

>>170967079
>but I'm drowning in a sea of tournament level decks.

Because only the same losers keep playing this game that just can let it go.

HAHAHAhahaha....
Help me

>>170967079
Free 2 play but pay 2 win
https://youtu.be/UMqBOmvba0g

>>170967371

It's fucking gross man.

I just went up against a tournament level Dragon priest with all the cards, against my basic Shaman deck.

what's the current strongest rogue deck and how does it rank in the meta?

its almost like jade druid was being kept in check by a highly aggressive deck that would kill it before it started rolling out big dudes

>OTK FROM 28 HP
>avi kun bran aroakkaX2 cthun

>>170968672
I'm pretty sure it's jade pirate rogue. No clue just how strong it is, I only know that's the only one I've ever seen not suck.

>>170968672

Water Rogue.

>>170928302
shit isn't even good in arena. People play for value all the time now, it's almost never empty, and on curve it's a 4/4 because your opponents hand will never be empty