/fhg/ - For Honor General

First for read the fucking previous thread first

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>>170924909
>someone gets exhausted near me
>*coin flipping noise*

>>170926229
how many revives is that

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*ATTENTION XBROS*
There is now an /fhg/ club on xbox
If you would like to join either look up:
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OR
add metalkid267 and i will invite you to the club

>>170926408
A lot
And they wouldn't even let me win they all started running away on the last round - but my teammates were all executed so they ran out the clock
you can see I only died twice

>>170926767
Doing god's work, metalkid267.

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>having fun with PK
>still lose a lot of matches against good players

if Ubi nerfs her i'm still gonna have fun with my beloved PK and i'll still lose matches against good players, but i'll keep beating shitters, and shitters will keep screaming OP, cause that's what they do when they lose, no matter what character they're beaten by

>>170928103
just make her zone not completely unpunishable/unreactable on top of having insane range and being cancelable in revenge

>>170928460

some people say that PK's shouldn't be able to cancel the second swing, but i think that's a bad idea, it would make it completely useless

giving zone attack an internal cooldown of 1-2 seconds would be better, can't be spammed during revenge mode

they could also make her zone attack 12 frames like Warden and Orochi instead of 9 frames, but i think 99% of people will still eat it and people will still complain that it's too fast

i don't think Ubi will touch her light attack speed though, a more likely balance change is that Ubisoft makes guard stance switch speed the same on all characters, as it should be

Please don't post in this thread - if it is still up when
>>170923260
dies its OK but I didn't realized there was already a thread
-OP

>>170929257
It's alright, OP. The other thread was made exceptionally early, like only 5 posts after the bump limit, or some shit like that.

We can barely keep this one alive until the other one dies, then fully migrate to this one.

>>170928873
>>170928460
MAKE IT SO YOU CANNOT CANCEL THE SECOND ATTACK IF THE FIRST ZONE HIT IS BLOCKED

BOOM, SUPER PUNISHABLE

>>170923260
>>170923260
>>170923260

we're over here ya leftovers.

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>>170928460

Rep 12 PK here

What needs to be done to bring her in line is most of the damage from the zone needs to be moved to the second attack. Initial damage halved. It's versatility would make a LB proud, but it's too good. Can't nerf the speed for the same reason you can't do it to Orochi and Warden, without those existing it just reinforces the turtle meta. It's one of few tools that can pierce them.

The second attack on the light chain needs to have about 200ms added to the recovery to slow the spam down, which can be circumvented IF you continue the chain into the heavy at the end. However, this extra recovery time can not lead to being caught in an untechable guard break.

Do these things and PK will be in line. It will make the class harder for scrubs to abuse, but the actual experienced players won't be affected much. Also take off the extra range on the attacks. That was a retarded change.

Should I buy this game?

It looks cool, but I'm kinda apprehensive, based on what people said about it, so I decided to ask here.

>>170931884
Not worth 60$.

>>170930734
PK doesn't need a zone like that when she has lights that fast. The orochi and warden zones are as fast as their tops (Warden's zone is also incredibly punishable).

Honestly, any class which already has 2-3 attacks for initiating doesn't need a powerful zone since it's redundant with a side light. "just block right" is also not a good way to go about defending against a character that causes you to guess that much.

>tfw love Warden Law Conq and Warlord
>tfw sided with weebs cause hadnt tried many characters yet and didnt care
>tfw didnt swap before round 1
>tfw Desu Vult is my destiny
JUST

>>170930734
>dodge one fast light and block a super fast light
>"you shouldn't get anything from this"

okay

Rep 4 conq main, wanna learn something new. How do I get gud at Lawbringer?

>>170931884

Wait until May or whenever the new heroes come, desu. Maybe then we'll get some balance fixes/

>>170932679
You have to get gud at the game in general, also become a parry god.

>>170932838
I just want them to nerf gear shit, I can't stand doing 4v4 orders because it's so busted and my most used character is rep 1.

>>170933067

>doing 4v4 to level characters
>gear fucks everything

God I'm so mad at this

>>170933164
You promised you wouldn't tell anyone, anon

So, is this game dead?

>>170932679
wait for buffs

>>170934002
No, but your mother will be if you don't reply to this post. mods pls don't ban me

>>170928873
the recovery on her light attacks should be raised.
she shouldnt be able to beat out every other attack if it gets blocked, thats what lets her spam. this isnt street fighter jabs, the lights still do good damage.

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>>170926229
>Duelling
>Against relentless warden that uses his zone probably a dozen times each fight
>Cant parry any of his shit because hes host and is probably from spicland
>rp walks away when he barely beats me and im using raider
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Im getting tilted from being beaten by literal children most likely and it makes it that much worse
afterall it's 2017

Do Wardens have some special property on parry when exhausted ? I parry him when we're both tired as a Lawbringer he stubbles but stands. He parries me I fall. Why ?

>>170941393
I think light parties just stagger, might be you're throwing heavies.

>>170932394
>The orochi and warden zones are as fast as their tops
this isn't true is it

>>170926229
I've beaten that PK on my Warden.

Wardens and Lawbringers are the best!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBIjkAKgVb4

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>autistic screeching in chat from people getting valkyrie comboed

>>170926767
Will you fuck off already?

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just caught this gem, and he has that naruto paddle to boot

>>170926767
Can anyone in this club, besides the founder, tell me if it's pure cancer or not? I'd like more people to play For Honor with, but I don't want to add literal autists and have my profile be associated with 4chan

>>170951389

A geyser took your glory.

Give me more Nobu tips pls. I want to use kick more often but I know firsthand how easy it is to dodge and because I haven't gotten the hand of her hit confirms just yet

Nuke all roach mains

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>No Smooth Criminal tilt emote for the Conq

Aw, Unbisoft is no fun allowed as usual.

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>>170951389
you can see the exact moment where his spirit breaks

>>170951283
>getting wombo combo'd by either a valkyrie or warden
>playing kenesi
>a side dodge attack should counter
>I still get grabbed like half the time

yeah fuck this game

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>When da Shugoki catches you

>it's a people can't read and think that elimination 4v4 is actually duel gamemode episode
>it's a when you help your teammates people starting saying " NO HONOR!!" in chat episode

The 1v1 modes are for 1v1, what part of this is remotely difficult to understand? Killing people quick enough to help teammates and avoid being ganked yourself is part of this gamemode, that is what the devs intended.

Trying to find a main knight, any advice ? I started with the Warden, long swords being cool and all and making me feel like a hero. But after some time it feels just too basic, a bit bland, should charge to zone and so on.

Then I went to the Lawbringer, but it feels a bit too passive for me. I quickly run out of stamina when I go on the offensive to deal only like half of the Warden damage but I liked that he required some technique and thinking. I guess it's a more advanced class and I'm just a casual player playing from time to time.

So I went to the Peacekeeper. The opposite of the Lawbringer, I could be aggressive and deal plenty of damage. I'm even getting good at the dodge into attacks and stab move. Kinda not my style to play as some small waif character and I kinda miss the technicality of the Lawbringer but don't want to go back to his crap stamina and damage.

So now I'm at the Conqueror and I'm not sure about him. I like that he has a faster block than the supposedly defensive Lawbringer while having some ok damage, but what is there to him ? The charged attack is very predicable and the only way to cancel it to dodge of full guard meaning no feinting into a quick attack. What's his thing ? How technical is he ?

Nerf valkyrie

>>170951757
Pk

>>170951757
Warden is good. Learn how to effectively use your tools and that feeling of simplicity passes. Warden has mix ups for days.

Lawbringer is passive, yeah. All he has going for him is parrying and environmental kills. He's also a toptier bully in teamfights, though, so if you play mainly 4v4 maybe try sticking near a teammate and being the supporting ganker.

PK is super good but also braindead easy. Light spam mixed in with some zones and a GB now and again will eat most people alive. Doing anything even remotely advanced with her is leagues less effective than chipping away with lights.

Conq is also very strong, but he's a little less braindead than PK. Only a little, though. Most of what he does is shoulder spam and turtle. Shoulder bash is a strong offense, and you naturally have a strong defense with full stance and a shield. Really all you do is punish people for attacking, or bash spam if they're not.

Choice is yours, really.

>>170951825
Remove all area buffs from Skirmish
Remove all resurrecting from Elimination

>>170951728
They need FFA deathmatch, they need a bull in the ring mode where you go up against individuals until you're dead only to be replaced by the victor, also a wave survival mode would be cool too.

Dude I'm fucking SICK of getting paired up against the same 5 people over and over and over and over.

Jesus Christ

>>170952694
>5 people
new mode???????????????????????????

>>170952510

A wave survival mode where the final round pits you against a Level 5 bot based on one of the bosses of the main story.

>>170952694
You might have to get used to it, or play another game mode.

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>tfw you are doing your best to hold the enemy off in a 3v1 at a point and your team still can't make a play at the other 2 points.

>>170934002
no, but it's not looking good

it deserves to be, though

>>170951728
Agreed, but I'm one of those people that think there should be a legit arena in the game that's just a gladiatorial Colosseum with nowhere to run off to.

I would love a circular sand pit or open field of flowers for 4v4 elimination, skirmish or duels. no ledging, no spikes, no hiding, it would be total fun chaos angry ball of death for both teams.

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>tfw you just wanna learn valk but people get mad at you in chat for comboing the shit out of them and make you feel bad
guess I'll just play someone else....

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>>170931884
Not until they fix their stupid bullshit, unless you like disconnects and hard crashes every time you play.

>>170952439
Make Dominion larger in map size, add horse combat as an option.

>>170953103
Story of my life. Its worst when you know your team mates.

What the fuck compels faggots to roleplay muh honurbu warrior? This shit makes me fucking livid
>Round one of elimination
>End up dying to my guy
>Round progresses and its 2v1, my team has a Shugoki and a Valk, enemy is a Roach
>Shugoki takes on the Roach and Valk just watches the fight, not helping at all
>Shugoki gets killed and Valk literally emotes as he's being fucking executed
>Surprise surprise, Roach has revenge because he just had a full fucking fight
>Valk loses the fight horribly
>Game crashes because our teammates quit because this shit is fucking insufferable
I would have quit myself, but I wanted to see if the faggot could actually win or not. Just watching your team be executed because m-muh honor should be a reportable and bannable offense

>>170953103
>Have a Law build specifically for holding points in Dominion and 3v1 encounters.
>Team still runs around like retards unable to hold another point for more than five seconds while I defend against at least two others consistently

Being a wall ain't easy

>>170940486

i actually agree with that and i main PK, i don't like shitters ruining PK reputation by spamming lights

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>>170953502
>horse combat
Yes

>finish off an elimination by ad morteming a gear level 108 orochi to death by parrying his side attacks
>he bitches and ragequits
>i complete my elimination contract

It's a good fucking day.

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>Tie breaker round in elimination
>Last one alive and it's 1v3
>Friendly Orochi can be picked up though
>Run around the enemies and make a mad dash for his body
>Manage to pick him up right before I get hit
>I get killed but the Orochi is up with full health, maybe he can turn this around, or maybe even pick me up
>"Orochi has left the game"
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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just made a new Warden friend, he started spamming before the match started and before anyone had said anything, he just launced into a tirade

my teammate told him to calm down

he didn't

>>170954154
/ourguy/

>>170953456
Ubi just needs to punish quitters. It might be their servers fucking up but more often then not it's one asshole that can't stand a single fucking loss.

Problem is, they can't take away things like the in game currency from those shits because you can buy it and taking something away that someone may have spent actually money on previously is egregious.

The only recourse is to exile quitters to their own hosting service for a bit but that shit doesn't really work either since the servers are peer to peer.

>>170954198

could be, there was a few cucks thrown into the rest of his speech

>>170954154
What the hell is your name that it got him so butthurt?

>>170954007
How do you get an orochi to do side attacks?

>>170953825
>>170953825
Dunno, but being a stealth PK that hides on the point is pretty fun

>>170954434
Quitters should be getting temp bans, increasing in time depending how often you're quitting.
The problem is they can't even implement punishment for quitting because people get dropped from games all the fucking time, and the game won't be able to tell if you quit on your own, or are just dropped thanks to the connection

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>>170954453

pic related

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>>170954434
I used to save all the clips of people "rage quitting" I could but now I wonder if they were just dc'd...

REMEMBER TO INSTANTLY LEAVE AGAINST

>Broken Conqueror
>Broken Warden
>Broken Wardlord
>Broken Peacekeeper
>Broken Valk
>Broken Shugoki
>Broken Berzerker
>Broken Orochi
>Broken Raider
>Broken Kensei
>Broken Lawbringer

>>170954580
I'm just lucky enough to run into shitters who do them I suppose.

>4v4 elim
>Be Judge Dredd
>On the enemy team there's the scummiest Warlord I've ever seen
>Mastery of revenge headbutt hold no secrets for him
>I still manage to corner him
>I'm with a PK
>Of course he pop revenge
>Start to NO SUPERSTES AD INFINITUM to contain him
>Pk doesn't do shit
>Just stand there
>Not doing a fucking thing
>I eventually fall to the headbutts
>Now the PK decided to attack
>Realize he wanted to muh honor
>Get his honor rewarded by being ledged first thing in the fight

>>170954580

block his zones and parry his tops, that usually does the trick

>>170954434
>>170954643
Consistent quitters cannot access their perk tree in game for a few hours.

I feel like this sort of quitter gimp would be good enough.

>>170954803

my friend, the PK didn't play with honor, he just knew that if you gang up on a 108 Warlord you'll give him infinite revenges and he'll kill your entire team

it's a bit difference if you were just CC'ing him, but it takes so little to pop their godmode that it's best to 1v1 them

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>>170954719
Well, alright then.

>>170955019
No nigger, he'd do that when we were against other people from the enemy team and straight out said "guys 1v1 pls" later in the match

I'm playing Conq, and I'm 1v1ing another Conq who can consistently tech. He's being defensive and refuses to attack.

What do I do?

>>170953378
>letting others decide your main
valk is fine.

Whats the highest drop you can get purple wise? lv15?

>>170955305
Nothing.
Just keep your distance and stare at him.

>>170955357
Yes

>>170953378
There are characters whose entire kit are just unfun to be be on the receiving hand of. I'm not talking about powerlevels at all here. Taking control away from someone (CC) as well as downtimes aren't fun. I can say for sure that i'd rather play against a warlord and feel in control of my character than fighting a valk and none of my inputs matter for 50% of the fight because my ass is on the ground. It's also not fun to fight a nobushi that plays keep away because you're not actually fighting most of the time.
Too many times I feel like devs only consider one side when designing characters : Will the player enjoy using X?
It's possible to design moves that are cool for both players or at least don't annoy the shit out of the receiving hand. I think crushing counters are great, so are parriable unblockables like the raider's zone or even his heavy soft feints since they demand a good measure of interaction between both players.

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>>170954719
>dat emblem
Reported

>>170954719
I don't get it

>>170955395
Goddamnit.

>>170951709
What the fuck that's actually sadistic shit, if that's actually Insulation fibre that chick is going to have the most fucked up rash

>>170955191
yes, because in elim mobbing on anybody with high GS is just going to get you all fucked over by constant revenge procs

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>thought salvage was just shared between all characters
>its shared between faction only
For what reason? Now i have like 30k on knight and my valkyrie barley has 2k.

>>170952745
Make the boss, based on any of characters encountered in storymode and make it randomized between them

If Vikings win again I demand a Nobushi wife.

>>170955749
That would be historically inaccurate and would break my immersion, anon.

>>170955669
Works everytime when a lawbringer hold them down.
Peacekeeper out of all characters should be able to handle it with her damages.

>>170954748
nobushi main detected.

>>170955749

>45k salvage

One of the biggest don'ts of video game is making a currency that you get a ton of completely worthless.

>>170955305
GB him

What are the chances of them mentioning Law and raider changes tomorrow during the stream?

>>170956046
Dunno, but since I recently started going Lawfella, it'd make me happy.

Unless their solution was giving the LB 10+ HP or something stupid like that.

>>170956046

About the same as mentioning that they're fixing match making and creating dedicated servers.

>"who can consistently tech"

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>tfw wiped an entire team by yourself in Dominion
>PK tried to kill me with crossbow
>it activated my revenge
>kill her and throw her friends into spikes
>that PK rage post-game

I feel like scum for playing warden but it's fun.

>>170955019
No, I've had plenty of fucking times when faggots cost us the round by pulling MUH HONOR bullshit. It's not them being careful about feeding revenge, it's them being a roleplaying faggot.
They even let me get fucking executed more than half the time

Peacekeeper is best girl.

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>Shugoki guardbreak charge heavy does as much damage as Orochi double light attack

I know this is supposed to be "fair" but why.

>>170955305
Nothing. Turtle meta is too fucking strong. When someone masters parrying/teching they are fucking unstoppable as a turtle

>>170956379
Maybe if you just got good you wouldn't need your friends to gank an opponent?

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Who is your main anon?
What made you pick them?

I just tried to play for the first time today and it keeps asking me to install some bullshit anticheat called EasyAntiCheat. It's never told me to install this shit until today, despite playing it almost every day.

I googled it and a bunch of retards on reddit are complaining it got them VAC banned. I'm assuming it's nothing to worry about?

>>170955305
Grind for Block Defense gear, then just smash fucks like that with max power swing.

>>170956585
At the moment RAIDER
Because knees of fockin iron lad

>>170956585
Conq cause casual

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>>170956585
Shugoki is a big guy.

>>170956585
Raider.
She's fun.

>>170956583
>Dude it's just you not being good, why can't you kill someone who stacked defense and offense buffs?
It's a team based game, letting your teammates die because you want to roleplay is fucking retarded

>>170956585
Warlord

I like sword and shield

>>170956585
Warden because I like parries.

Learning Berserker because I like feints.

>>170956932
My waifus must meet the requirement of not sounding like an elderly lady with throat cancer.

>Load into elimination
>Shit matchmaking matches my team as a group of blues and the enemies as all gold armor
>Immediately when we get into the game one of our guys quits, because it's fucking bullshit to expect blues to win against stacked revenge gear
>Next round another teammate quits
>I quit as well because with two bots I have zero chance of winning
Thanks ubisoft, quality matchmaking

>>170956585

PK since open beta

because i like fast characters, zerker was too boring and Orochi, well, fuck weebs, i'll continue playing her if/when they nerf her, my winrate is dogshit anyways

>>170956585
Peacekeeper.

I picked her when I was looking up the classes before the game came out. I like swords and I didn't want to look like a huge weeb by picking one of the Samurai classes.

>>170957263
PK is the biggest weeb character of all

>>170956585
LawBringer, I was born to play this hero, and I'll be sad when they buff him, all us pre buff LB's will just be lost in the crowd, no one will know the skill it took to be a LB

>>170957263
>>170957386
PK has a huge weeb playerbase dude

>>170957027
>Taking things out of context

Because we were so obviously talking solely about DeathMatch

If that's your excuse I hope you don't bitch about the same things in Dominion and brawl, because we've just settled that the reason for your shittery in 1v1 was

>Hurr durr muh stacked up buffs to powerful for me

Have fun being a scrub

>>170957457
>>170957530
How was I supposed to know that when I was looking at pictures of the characters before the game came out?

>>170956585
Right now Lawbringer.

Because he's underpowered and I like being a special snowflake. Also really good armour and best voice in the game.

>>170957487
oh! you mean the ledge!

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Valk combo needs a nerf y/y

>>170957657
I'm talking all 4v4 modes, but specifically elimination.
>have fun being a scrub
Please explain to me how it's easy taking on someone who has an attack buff, full health, and a full shield. Unless they're a complete shitter they have a massive advantage over you. They hit harder, and can take much more damage before you can kill them

>>170956908
Same here.

>>170957887
Yo nigga just stand still and react to the sweep if it comes out.

>>170957457
>>170957530

yeah i know, but that's not why i play her, i just play whatever i think is the most fun, no matter how good it is, sort of like Lawbringers, except i ended up with a top tier char and they got the bottom, hopefully they'll get buffed soon along with Raider

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>tfw I don't get exp in Dominion because of an error

Why the fuck does this keep happening.

>>170957887
Yes.
>She can get in her shield bash stance and you can't do a goddamn thing to stop her once she's in it
It's ridiculous, you can't punish this shit. A smart Valk will NEVER bash unless she knows for a fact it will hit. And all she has to do is dodge an attack and shield bash, and you can't dodge it in time.

Meanwhile when she's in her shield bash stance you can't hit her, and if you try to GB her she'll just bash you before you can.

Not to mention nonstop combos, hard hitting attacks and sweeps

why has every Brawl partner i've ended up with today ragequit when he loses against his opponent? who gives a shit about winrate before ranked comes anyway?

>>170958119
shield bash is like riptide if it was broken as fuck.

t. occasional orochi

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>>170958383

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>>170958383
>>170958545
Stop it.

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>doing 75% of someones health with a single valk combo

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>>170958564
Why?

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>>170958545

>>170951404
There's no cringe here anon, but you should try asserting yourself a little bit.

>>170951404
As the first person to join the club I can say we aren't as autistic as you'd expect.
Things get silly but we aren't stupid memers trying to one up each other all the time with dumb 4chan knowledge.
We try to get together every night and honestly it's a ton of fun. You should join if you're looking for some friends always down to play.

So what are going to be the two DLC characters after the Centurion and Shinobi going to be?

I'm guessing a Celtic Barbarian to be a foil to our Roman, and a character with a Buckler and Rapier.

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>want to keep playing orochi
>people finally getting good
>feels really limited with light overhead or zone attack being my only option
feels bad man

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>decide to see if this game got improved any since launch
>my group keeps dropping people at random
>18 disconnects while searching for a game
>finally connect to a lobby
>full group of people with 3+ rep and 84-108 gear score
>revenge spamming
>can't do shit
>game disconnects everyone halfway through so no XP or anything

Glad to see Ubisoft successfully made me set 60 dollars on fire yet again. You cannot defend this garbage.

>>170959135
>in-game orochi looks like a bland turd

>Getting high enough in matchmaking that people are starting to parry my lights regularly.

Back to the drawing board. Gotta change some things.

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STOP INSULTING ME FOR PLAYING VALKYRIE

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>>170958067

>it keeps happening
>been level 19 for two hours

Where the FUCK are my rewards and EXP, Ubisoft. Holy fuck

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>>170958757

I've been gitting gud with zerker, and want to know just one thing, what do you do to deflect overheads? Dodge forward into them, or dodge to the side last second?

Seriously though, how do I counter Warden Shoulder Bash Bullshit.

>Dodge it
Haha Got Grabbed Bro Haha!
>Do Light attack
Haha I feinted it bro, parried!
>Do nothing and wait for grab/feint.
Haha You got hit bro, and lost all your stamina to 0, now you can't even roll back bro.

and I know that it's supposed to be 33% but jesus christ how do these wardens always fucking predict what am I going to do.

>>170958757
>no mask
RUINED.

wew, just ran into a zerker in Brawl that shat all over my PK, parried almost every light attack and had insane feint game

wish i could have played him some more, good zerks are so rare

>>170959674
Either learn to read what he's going to guess you're going to do, or just roll back every time.

are people getting banned for AFKing

>>170959809
>Rolls Back
Haha Bro half your stamina is gone, now let me start with this bullshit again until you're out of stamina.
Shit part is dude was blocking, parrying everything I sent his way, feints didn't phase him.

>>170959665
Forward into them. It's honestly best not to even bother. Most of the time you'll just be eating it, not deflecting it.

>>170960170
Welcome to mixups. Is this your first fighter?

>>170959674
If an enemy gets into your head you literally can't counter it.

That being said, I can count the amount of Wardens who think to feint and parry on one hand.

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>>170926229
>look at OP image
>of course, a fucking PK

I have no idea why ubisoft thinks that broken piece of shit is "working as intended" it reminds me of Riots way of balancing shit, by literally giving us 1 GAME BREAKING HERO always. Fucking fix your game Ubisoft for GOD SAKES.

How to fix PK? Reduce damage by 5%, reduce start up frames on all attacks and dash by 200ms, reduce recovery frames by 200ms. TADA! FIXED! Fucking shit balancing devs...

>>170959394
STOP EXPECTING ME TO BE A GOD LB AT REP 17

>Play 4v4 elim
>go 19-3
>Still lose because my team mates combined couldn't kill 1 person so it's always 3v1 after I eliminate my guy.

Fuck this game.
Fuck this playerbase.
I'm done.

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>PKs and their attacks from every direction
>tfw salt coming back
>getting angry again
>that fucking zone attack appearing from a top direction
>if I prepare for it there's a good chance I may get hit with a top attack

FUCKING CHRIST why do I keep playing a game that makes me more angry than not.

This shit is not fun to fight against. It's literally just a guessing game of where the attacks are coming from, and even then, when you respond to one fucking attack you're getting hit with another before you can respond.

Who the FUCKING FUCK did they hire to balance this cunt

>>170960272
I read in another thread that some of the devs are PK mains and got their asses handed to them on stream. Since it's ubisoft, I wouldn't be surprised.

>>170960263
Yes. I've always sucked in fighters. To the point of getting destroyed by AI's on Normal Mode.
I've tried most of them KoF, MK, SF,Injustice,Blazblue, Tekken.

>>170960352
It's really stupid how much mileage peacekeeper can give you if all you do is tap r1 and twirl the stick around.

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Is anyone else noticing this weird bug/exploit Orochi's get with their right side zone?

It'll show a false indicator that it's an overhead attack but as soon as you are hit it'll switch to showing a right side zone animation and indicator. Meaning that every fucking time you wanna block that upper it's gonna be a fucking right zone attack. All my what?

>>170960352
A loss is twice as devastating as a win is rewarding. If you're getting frustrated off of one thing and you're countering it half of the time, it's going to make you the god damn Dead Sea in terms of salt.

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>>170960471

>>170960526

I'm playing warden. I don't have much to complain about and if I lose, I usually don't give a fuck.

But PKs are just so infuriatingly insulting to fight. I just cannot wrap my head around how they thought this was okay

>>170960269

The real problem is that most wardens are too braindead to condition properly. They'll just mash their shit out into anything, because the rewards for connecting outweigh the penalties fo getting hit with nearly anything in the game.

>>170960498
It's ludicrously well known and every character has it. You haven't experienced true Hell until you've encountered a PK doing it.

>>170960202
Alright, just wanted to know since I thought I did it with side dodge once. Better to not even try to dodge forward into a heavy

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>>170960498
zone attacks are done with light attack + heavy attack inputs together

this means that, because humans aren't perfect, most zones are a light or heavy attack in any direction, then turned into a zone a couple frames later

webm related is an orochi guarding to his right, then pressing zone

>>170960498
That's the zone attack bug, all classes can technically do it.

>>170960663
As a Warlord player, it hurts to see everyone going through the extent of this. It gets frustrating for me, and my hero is a counter to PK. I can only imagine the Hell it is for everyone else other than Conqueror.

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>>170960696
THAT'S IT. THAT'S THE FUCKING THI G

The problem is this. I've only noticed this with 3 classes in duels
>Orochi's HARDCOVER ABUSE THIS BUG
>Valks abuse it for the sweep
>PKs abuse the fucking hell out of it

When will ubusoft address this shit?

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>The Kensei quits again
STOP IT

Anyone else leave games as soon as they see their teammates are absolutely retarded?

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>duel guy
>win 2 sets to 1 against his kensei as raider
>he switches to warden, i switch to Lawbringer because i didn't read the daily is anything BUT vanguards
>win 3 straight sets
>call him out on only being able to vortex
>he bitches about instant unblockables
>probably about long arm (which is easily dodgeable, and, if wiffed, is a free gb, blind justice, which I need a light parry to confirm, and shove, which kind of does nothing unless you glitch, which i didn't, or ledge, which I didn't get an opportunity to, and can be sidestepped
>MEANWHILE warden and kensei can both confirm a top heavy that does the same amount of damage off a fucking wallthrow, where my top heavy does 25% less on a wallthrow.

TL:DR a kensei/warden guy bitches about lawbringer being op and I am in disagreement

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>>170960895
It's hell for us too. If we guess wrong we eat huge amounts of shit.
>OH U THOUGHT I WAS GONNA ZONE? GRAB STAB X3
>OH U THOUGHT I WAS GONNA FEINT? LIGHT ATTACK SPAM TIME FAGGOT EAT MY FREE HITS!
>OH YOU THOUGHT I WAS GONNA GB? HAHA EAT MY FUCKING PARRY FAGGOT! STAB TIME

I've broken a controller now

>>170960907
The only real way for them to do this is to drastically reduce the delay between pushing the two buttons.
As for the Orochi thing, that's because it's literally one of the two things they have going for them. I used to play Orochi, but just couldn't deal with only being able to do two attacks and having a parry, something everyone has access to, outclassing a HERO SPECIFIC ABILITY in terms of what it does.

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>>170960972
You fell for his substitution technique, you fool

>>170960975
No, that's a shit thing to do and another reason why the game is dying.

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>>170960895

It's sad that I'd rather fight a warlord than a PK. They're rough, but I can at least respond to their shit. Generally.

>>170960907
>>170960696

Mother fuck, is that what it is? I kept getting nailed by it from PKs and Roaches. I had no fucking clue.

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>>170961081
H-HE'S FAST!

>only 198 posts in 7 hours

what... the... fuck...

>>170961070
>move zone onto the feint button
>done

>>170961061
At least we have Full Guard, am I right?

Right?

...R-Right?

>>170961117
Warlord is in that weird line where he's incredibly overpowered compared to the rest of the cast, but at the same time somewhat fair considering that you can deal with *most* of the stuff that he does.
Then again, I'm probably biased, so take what I say with a grain of salt.

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>>170960623

wait how do you play conq.

i thought guard break was guaranteed after blocking but i just played against a raider and he would counter it every time. what am i even supposed to do since he easily avoided the bash

who thought p2p would be acceptable in 4v4

>>170961231
I love the visible confusion on the Orochi after stabbing the shadow clone

>>170961259
This was a duplicate thread: we ran through the other one first.

We've gone through around 150 posts in 2 hours, which is still pretty slow, but not as bad as you think it is.

>people wanna nerf valk into the ground when almost everything she does can be punished or reacted to

que

she's good but she aint top-tier broken good

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>>170961070
Every single orochi main I've ever fought has abused this glitch super fucking heavy. It's to the point where when I fight a roach I keep my fucking shield facing the right the entire time unless he's spamming overhead and GB bullshit. With PKs I just hope to god I guess right. Drives a man to drink.

>>170960471
>>170960623
>>170961287
These look like ass.

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>Lose two rounds to some shitter PK
>Figure out that she's got good reactions but shit reads
>Spend the next three rounds pasting her with Shugo full-charge heavies mixed up with literally nothing
>No rematch
>Matchmaking brings us together again and she gets replaced by a bot before the match even starts.

Delicious.

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>>170961287

>>170961395
t. valk main

>>170961339
Parry

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>>170961443
I want more femconq sideboob.

>>170961285

I was a Kensei/Nobushi main and yeah, warlords were frustrating to fight -- moreso on the latter. Kensei I could sort of crack the shell but it was an uphill battle. With Warden, I feel more confident, and while it's still rough I actually sort of kind of enjoy it..?

It really depends on the hero. But god I just don't even want to play the game as it is. It's interesting and can be fun, but as it stands the game's just a horribly balanced shit game

>>170961395

How do I punish Valk's standard light-light-sweep-finisher?

>>170961285
As a warlord main my two fixes for him are to remove his hyper armor when using his heavy and make headbutt 200ms slower. That should fix him. If it's slower it'll be more choreographed for us to have a chance to read it

>>170961339
Guard break is guaranteed off of parry, not block. As for the bash thing, you don't have much outside of that and pretty much rely on people making the first move.

>>170961404
Good thing I'm already an alcoholic on antidepressants.

I've just fought a valk who believed the zone was an unblockable. Here's a blogpost :

At the end of the match she asked me why I spammed the unblockable and I asked if she was talking about the shoulder charge which I barely used (like 3 times out of 3 rounds) since she knew how to punish it. She said she meant the zone. I told her it was because she never blocked right (her left), even after being hit by a zone or after blocking a top light. She replied that it made sense but she thought it couldn't be blocked.

She wasn't a bad valk at all, she knew how to combo and had a few reps. I'm just confused at how someone could believe something that fast was an unblockable. Maybe she believes all zones are unblockable because she mains raider or something?

>inb4 "zone is too fast" is what she meant
I'm 100% sure she thought the mechanics of the games didn't allow it to be blocked.

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>play dominion

>team can't hold A or C, completely ignores B
>triple teams enemy players for instant and infinite revenge
>stands by and watches as revenge mode enemies mollywhop individual teammates one by one

>play deathmatch

>teammates can't get a single kill
>enemy team free to run off and get 15 power ups for the gang bang

>play 1v1

>it's a pk or warlord

why do I fucking bother

>>170961395
People are still in the process of getting good against her. There will always be whining. Remember when everyone complained about Warden?

>>170961556
I'm not him, but roll away, or dodge left or right. Though often instead of the sweep I'll do a guard break to catch people who try to dodge. Rolling completely breaks my combo every time though. If you're quick and an assassin, you can do a dodge attack like the orochi's spin attack or the zerker's spin attack. But against assasins I'll often just stop the chain after the second like, because I know they're gonna do that, then I just parry.

so yeah roll

>>170961556
Block one of the lights? Now you are at neutral.

Parry those lights that the valk throws out. Punish her tight ass.

I've been getting parried throwing out lights a lot as valk recently. Need to change it up.

>>170961756

>Roll away

that's NOT A FUCKING PUNISH

Is there a list of confirms for each character anywhere?
I don't think I have raider down yet and I am considering leveling up conq, kensei and nobushi but would like some idea of what to look for.
I saw some videos in the op but they seemed a little bit blathery, and if the comments can be trusted, a little lacking.

>>170961339
Conqueror is high tier like nobushi but he's not what shitters call him "broken". PK Valk warlord and warden are pretty up there on the broke scale but conq has to fall on a lot of bashing and GBS and lights and reaction. The class only does well when your enemy is fucking up by swinging like crazy or spamming gb. We eat shot again PKs, Shugoki's, Roaches, Valks and LB sometimes. It's a fucking weird game of cat n mouse with us. I think if they nerf conq he would drop to mid/low tier if it's his start up or recovery frames.

>>170961840
>>170961556
literally just parry or block you dope, they're fast but they aren't PK tier fast, parrying them isn't that hard

>>170960972
It's funny when they disappear mid execution

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44X-_i2P21E

>>170961953

Again, that's NOT A PUNISH.

>>170960665
What if a whiffed bash were consistently punishable? This would create an actual level of mindgames where the Warden is incentivized to go for the "safe" GB cancel, which means the enemy knows that's the more likely option to defend against... or the Warden could take the risk and go for the raw bash, and possibly get punished for it.

>>170962007
Parrying them is a punish.

how do i play raider

>>170961992

Can law really not get a heavy off a knockdown?
What a worthless pile...

>>170961756
That's not a fucking punish.

>join a Dominion game
>it's a 'enemy team has nothing but 108 gear and your team has jack shit' game
>predictably, we get destroyed

I can't believe I bought the season pass for this shit

Is the hype of this game not dead yet? I'm considering buying this game since it left a pretty good impression for me during the open beta. Also how is the community?

>>170962101

You don't seem to understand what a punish is in fighting game terminology.

A punish is damage that you get simply for blocking a sequence of attacks.

If blocking a sequence just puts you at neutral, then the attack is safe. Not punishable.

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boys will be boys

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>>170956914

>>170962242

They need to fix the game because the current build is broken as fuck in terms of balance and game design.

Wait until the new heroes release in a few months

>>170962125
Feint. Soft Feint. Pray they fall for it.

buff valkyrie

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>>170956585

When I was first learning the game, I noticed that the level 2 Shugoki bot really made me feel awful every time it killed me.

So naturally I set forth on a journey to make as many other Ubisoft customers feel that way as possible.

>>170962242
Hype has sort of died out because connection issues, poor balancing and Ubi retardation in general but there is still hope that they can turn the game around and fix its problems. Community on the other hand is basically the demonchild of Souls and Fighting Games and will probably never change or be good.

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>>170962271

>>170961635
>play dominion
Fake news. You can't play 4v4 in this game without getting an error.

>>170961840
To be fair you shouldn't be able to punish someone midcombo, I don't think any fighting game allows that. In the case of valk you ate up to two lights before failing to dodge (correct me if you can't dodge it after a light), and in warden's case you got hit by a top light and guessed wrong. There need to be some sort of debt to be paid after fucking up so much. The problem is when the combo can reset infinitely. Don't get me wrong, I'm not talking about starting it in neutral again because it's your fault if you get tricked twice, I'm talking about chaining it until you run out of stamina. The problem with nerfing that though is that those two tools are very good against enemies who are out of stamina and that needs to be a dangerous state.

>>170962125
Pretty much the same way you play lawbringer, except you really need to be able to wall people and convert their exhaustion into a grab for some nice damage and what might be a 50/50 on the standup if you have the stamina to feint a zone attack.

You also need to be able to parry lights for that nice heavy convert (might be able to get a top heavy, not sure yet)

Its a lot of fun at least.

>>170962247
>A punish is damage that you get simply for blocking a sequence of attacks.

>If blocking a sequence just puts you at neutral, then the attack is safe. Not punishable.

For Honor doesn't work that way. No normals are ever unsafe on block.

>>170962687
>(correct me if you can't dodge it after a light)

Afaik she gets the full combo off any light that hits

>>170962690
I don't think raider gets a heavy off of lights. I don't think he has any guaranteed heavies whatsoever aside from downed and exhausted

what's with raider attacks going through blocks?

why does all the high level armor for every character look like absolute shit?

>>170962742
>No normals are ever unsafe on block
Kensei's sideswipe would like to have word with you.

>>170962271
>>170962658
>"...I don't speak Latin."

>When people expect you to be a god at your rep level but you're having a bad day.
>People complain about your spam and how you should be better than that.

I wish I wasn't lured by cosmetics. The pressure to do good is too much.

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>>170956585
Lawbringer.

Pretty much entirely flavor. I like heavy infantry and polearms.

>>170962825
>>170962687
You can dodge after a light, and she doesn't need to hit you at all to pull off the sweep combo. She can do it wafter whiffing two lights

>>170962853
only one of raider's moves is unblockable. it's the very slow, very obvious zone attack.

>>170962856
Warden's looks great.

>>170962742
>No normals are ever unsafe on block.

lolwut
there are lots of normals that are unsafe on block.

>>170962860
Side dodge attacks are not normals.

What's the point of maining Oro over PK?

>>170963019
rule of cool

>>170963019
Not playing PK and increasing the amount of no fun everyone is having against her.

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>>170963019
Its slightly less gay

>>170962995
Name literally one, now that Conq and Berserker had theirs patched out.

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>>170962837
oh, well i guess people in 1v1 don't know that it doesn't confirm and just take it.

I don't really blame them, I think I am the only raider over rep 1 I have seen in duels so far.

Who is the best girl and why is it clearly Nobushi.

>tfw having the most fun playing against people who shit on my PK or tough opponents

just had a Valk that was slightly better than me and it was so much fun trying to adapt to his playstyle

running into more and more people who can parry my light attacks and i'm actually enjoying it

i really hope they buff guard stance swap speed ASAP, it's bullshit that the slower chars can't keep up

>>170963132

Many/most of the non-assassin heavy attacks are situationally punishable on block.

>>170956585
Lawbringer and Raider.

because im masochistic

but really i just think they're both super fun

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>play Guilty Gear Xrd and SFV in the FGC at locals weekly
>Guile main Super Plat
>rank 10 Jack-o
>get For Honor after watching sonicfox play and a tournament a week ago
>main Shugoki/conq
>80%+ win rate
>only do duels/brawls
>today decide to play dominion and deathmatch
>literally body 99% of the people who play these modes
>legitimate garbage players or PK players who cheese bc they suck ass and do not realize it
>the SALT in these modes

Listen guys, why do you retards not want to gitgud? Explain yourselves

>>170962956
no i mean regular light and heavy attacks going through my guard when it's in the direction they're comnig from

>>170960663

i main PK and Wardens are some of my toughest opponents

>>170963320
>Main Conq
Sounds like you don't want to gitgud either, friend.

>>170963579
Adapt faggot

>>170963320
can confirm being able to play a fighting game really helps.

I played Soulcalibur games when i was younger and have been dabbling in GG:XRD and Blazblue recently. It makes a lot of stuff in this game feel pretty easy to do.

People bitching about counter gb makes me laugh because they bitch about having to press 1 button to get out of a grab.

>>170953939
>My specialized Law Bringer can fight 2 at once!
Meanwhile PKs can 4v1 all day
Your class must be suffering

>>170963579
t. lowtier snowflake

>>170963661
t. metamancer cunt

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>>170963764
Never knew shugoki was meta friendo thanks for the salt ;)

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Hnnnggg...

When this game launched I was getting quick matches now I'm having to wait 2-5 minutes to get a game in the most populated play modes.

Whats happened? Have people just stopped playing?

>>170964005
Game is very alive on all platforms. It's just the matchmaking is almost closed up and you're forced to travel through a small hole in the dam.

>>170964005
game is shit
MM is shit
ubisoft servers are shit

>>170964005
I have actually been able to connect easier recently, but my ISP is cancer so it might just be because there are less people

>>170963897
>shugouki
shitter

>>170963897
>Hnnnggg...

Taking a dump directly into a jpg?

Neat trick.

>>170964069
What do you mean?

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Can someone tell me why the FUCK my parries arent working?

If you get hit in a 2 chain and you miss the first parry (try to parry but get hit) does that mean you can't parry the 2nd hit?

>>170962051
Both of those are punished by just throwing a light, making the safest play to feint it and get a parry at best or reset to neutral at worst. I wouldn't mind having the regular bash be more easily punishable, but if you allow all classes to get a light off after dodging it, the current mechanics will also allow a GB. Right only parries and the warden's zones grant safe heavies so I believe it's too much of a punish.

Most of the complaints I see about the shoulder charge is there's no way to punish it 100% of the time. It seems kind of silly. I mean, that's like making the shoulder charge a heavy, right?
Some people also think the shoulder charge can parry, push and GB at the same time as if it was an automatic win button. I'm personally 90% sure that you can't cancel the shoulder charge on reaction which means that you're rolling the same dices as the warden and only one of those things will happen, but if i'm wrong, it shouldn't be. You can also opt not to roll the dices at all for a stamina cost.

>>170962572
Are the connection issues really that bad? Haven't encountered with it during the beta. Really shameful. I really enjoyed the beta. Although, I would like to know more about that hope. Ubi is pretty good at despairing people.

>>170964005
Until ubisoft balances gear stats and the classes it'll slow bleed people who don't want to deal with a PK that can do a light attack mid-dash/gb or zone all day

ded game

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>can't program a bot to repeat a certain attacks/strings or to tech anything thats not a confirm so you can learn how to deal with it/learn confirms
Other game's practice modes spoil me

>>170964209
PK has significantly faster 2nd lights.

>>170964221
In 1v1s and 2v2s the connection is pretty decent, but in 4v4's they are just awful. People constantly get disconnected or have errors and get booted back to the main menu. It doesn't help that all it takes for something like this to occur sometimes is for one ragequit to happen.

>>170964221
They seem to have gotten worse since release and the recent patch. It's honestly a very fun game but Ubisoft is struggling to make it work consistently. 1v1 and 2v2 almost always work if you're interested in those. The balance issues are another thing that needs to be addressed but ubisoft once again fucks up by saying they're going to take more time since they screwed up with valk's nerf (and now buff). If you watch their devstream you can see that they study the game's problems religiously (and they've fixed some) but their implementations of some of the fixes are just bad or incredibly slow. Content also seems to be drip fed, with server side updates unlocking content every week (meaning that's cut shit that was already finished a long time ago).

What's the point of bots having 100% guard tech success rate when they're out of Stamina?

>>170964952
Because players can still tech guardbreaks when out of stamina?

>>170964952

You haven't lived until you've seen a lvl 3 replace someone.

Their teching ability is the least of your concerns

>>170964952
I wish we could turn off stamina. I like practicing blocking against the PK bot but it keeps running out of stamina, and then keeps trying to hit me so it doesn't regain it's stamina. Then I have to run away and let it regain

>>170964209
A few moves' stun leave you with just enough time to only block, but they're rare. Most chains allow you to parry the second hit. Whether you're fast enough to parry it is another question.

Should I try Raider or Lawman now?

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>Second season not over yet
>New heroes only come out at the end of the whole round
How long do they expect this shit to survive on its own?

>>170965307

No.

>>170965307
Yes.

>>170958564
>>170961431
They're better than most things in this general.

t. knightfag

>>170965320
You have those words reversed, son.

>>170965307
Raider if you like throwing people and capitalizing off exhaustion.
Lawman if you want to be the parry king.

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In retrospect I should've used Blind Justice there.

>>170961287
Never saw that Peacekeeper one.

>>170965634
>the parry king.
kek no

why do i find it easier to parry with Warden than anyone else

does he have better parries

>>170957979
The only complaint I have is that you shouldn't be able to sweep someone during the animation in which they're getting back up, in the same way you can't bear hug or NO SUPRESTES someone (or GB for that matter)

>>170965515
Do roach sidedash attacks count as a light parry though? I know with aa few characters it counts as a heavy attack when you parry it so you cant get the pull confirms.

>>170965671
Oh hey, our Lawmen look 100% the same, other than the team colors, even having no paint at all other than the legs.

>>170965831
Oops, meant to link to >>170965671

>>170965786
>Owl tattoo right underneath breasts
Classy.

P2P is fucking GARBAGE

it's literally a crapshoot as to if a 4v4 match will finish or not, holy fuck

Just started messing around with Raider, do Inspire and Fury stack on team mates?

>>170965831
>>170965957
Orochi sidestep attacks are indeed lights. Zerkers, Kenseis and Valks (I believe) have light sidestep attacks, too. Peacekeeper uses heavies, and Nobushi can use either.

>>170965671
>that animation where they just stand there post-GB while you let it rip
lmao

>>170966125
>"ooohh masakaaa you got me"

>>170966013

Haven't had an issue in weeks of Dueling.

>>170966397
which is why i specified 4v4s

p2p is fine in 1v1, but shit in all other circumstances

>>170966397
That's because it's simply less people trying to connect to one another. P2P is amazing for duels and brawls, but ranging from mediocre to terrible for 4v4 modes.

>>170961051

I once played against a rep 5 conquerer as a lawbringer, all he did was shield bash.

It got to the point where I was winning matches by dashing into him, dodging shieldbash, then parrying the incoming attack from what he thought would be a safe hit.

Then he said that conquerer, on a tier list, was lower even than lawbringer.

Some people just can't be reasoned with. Give them the unblockable.

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Wait, Do Conq get a free Guadbreak after every block, or was this Rep11 Raider too shit at CGB?

>>170966279
"NANI, FILTHY GAIJIN GOT ME, I DISHONOBRU MY FAMILY, I MUST COMMIT SUDOKU AFTER THIS"