/wowsg/ - World of Warships Admiral

>AD 1+2016
>According to warships today Khabarovsk doesn't have average damage of BB
WG, why is this still a thing? Why don't you buff it some more?

>Previous thread died before a new thread link could be posted

How did we let this happen?

why did you make a new thread

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>French BB line still not released

>>170480795
wows is ded, even the head honcho at WG admitted it.

One server for all regions when?

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How goes /wowsg/'s botes today?

>>170481108
Couldn't bring myself to play a single game

>>170481208
>log on
>spin a few botes
>log off

>>170480875
You need to leave.

fuck animay

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>>170483128
I would if I could
Someone post the lewd Iowa daki

>>170483294
I would, but Jake told me to never repost it. He regrets making that post, and I'm not gonna go against his wish.

I've been gone since September, is Arlios still around? I remember begging him to invite me because I love the attention on his epic stream.

Of all lines you grinded, which one you hated the most and why?

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best stern

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>>170484842

Why is there slime coming out of her panties?
???

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>>170484842
Didn't even get his by a torp.

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>Bored
>free-xp SC
>not bored anymore

>>170484824
KM DD
But ships look good

>https://youtu.be/I6ZKic-UhSs
>It's garbage
Will they do anything right?
>IJN DD split is trash
>British Cruisers are trash
>German DDs are trash
>Russia Split is trash
What hope is there?

>>170486941
>>British Cruisers are trash

>>170487054
>Removed in one salvo and have to play extremely passive
Yeah, they're fucking tash.

>>170487281
Wow it's all cruisers, they just get some unlike anyone else to protect them.

>>170486941

>IJN DD split is trash
>British Cruisers are trash
>Russia Split is trash

Fuck off shitter. Are you going to say "30s reload is too much for BBs" now?

>>170484824
KM DD: meh
old IJN dd line: Mutsuki is a horrible shitty girl and should be punished forever

>>170488060
New lines are trash and there's no evidence that the new lines will be any better.
They nerf before release to upsell like the fucking jews they are.

>>170488060
Reverse the nerfs on the new DD lines, give the Brits their HE. Fixed. I just made the lines worth your time.

>>170488060
>Shitter
Post your fucking stats or do you only know how to ruh your mouth?

>>170488326
>They nerf before release
Stop parroting this shitty meme

>>170480660
fuck off tioga

>>170488740
>Videos shown by contributiors are diffierent than what we get
>We're not allowed to test ships on PTR
Yeah, nerfs.

I never realized that what we got on the login screen wasn't the whole trailer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1n8LKx59p6E

>Mogami fires dragon-emblazoned 203mm HE
>the plons were from Akagi-senpai

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>>170489528

>CV looks cool
>Loses all the planes
>DB hit in the center of a DD does nothing
>Enemy ships kill the CV anyway who did nothing

>>170484026
https://boards.fireden.net/vg/thread/161663729/#161689470

Since you won't and I have nothing better to do, here you are.

>>170489528
Seeing that again almost made me cry.

Do you know what you are seeing there?
The original, pre-marketing-ruins-it-all, pre-fucking-it-all-up concept.

See how there are FOUR DDs? That was the concept. On player controls four DDs, so if one of those dies, well, you got another three.

See how thre are TWO cruisers? Again, you control two cruisers. One dies, well, there is another as backup.

See the floatplane in formation with the fighters? CVs had scout planes, and cruisers/BBs could control their scout planes.

See how the bomb oneshots the DDs? Yeah, that actually made it into the alpha. AP bombs essentially did as much damage as BB AP hits, even against DDs.

It was SO good. It needed a shitton of balancing work, but it solved so much of the power and survivability disparity between classes.
Yeah, the controls ended up not much like WoT, and I guess that is why they decided it was too confusing for new player((((( and shat all over everything, and made a mess that is still not really fixed.

Anyway, carry on with the shitposting. I'll just curl up over here and be sad for an awesome game that will never get made.

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>>170491408
>She asks you to wear a condom
shit shipfu

I bet Yamato would let me do her raw everyday.

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>>170494013
>knocking up Hotel

>>170491408
I had successfully deleted that image from my memory and now you brought back all the trauma again
And he actually paid someone to draw that vajay. Imagine that.

>>170484824
IJN cruisers, hands down

>>170494267
I aim to displease.

I blame the discord shitposting

>>170494842
IA The discord's taste in shipgirls is awful

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.....fuck

>>170491408
>Somebody was paid to draw that vagina
>Somebody owns this
>Condom
Shit from head to toe, 0/10 would hang myself in shame if I posted that.

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AHAHAHAHAHAHAH noone even wants to play this pos. russia is trash and BTFO lololol

summoning chain

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I think I would have given up on ranked already if top XP on the losing team didn't keep their star.

I might give up anyways.

>>170499463
But you haven't even made it to the hard part yet.

>>170500447
I'm not good at this game

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>tfw coming back from a game where the enemy team had 3 caps for almost the entire game
>spent the last 5 minutes trying to run all over the map dodging torps and capping while the enemy team sat on 900+ points
Fast BBs were a good idea god bless the USA

>>170500947
Unless your poor, want bragging rights, or have already won two other seasons I would just stop. Its not really worth the headache.

>>170501902
You're probably right

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ded

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WE ARE SINKING

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>>170506601
Just let it happen

>>170506601
You are Sinking? Vat are you Sinking about?

>>170506235
>>170506601
Maybe shut it down until next patch. Take a break like Steel Ocean bros. Might purge some of the cancer out.

>>170507127

Not really a point desu. Even if it died now, someone would just remake it later when more people woke up.

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>>170507127
>/wowsg/ taking a break
Oy, none of that now.

Since /sog/ is on break this has been where I come to see my botes without stepping into /a/

>I actually miss Fap2BotesDay ;_;

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Kancolle should not have a place on any board on 4chan

>>170507765
>Since /sog/ is on break this has been where I come to see my botes without stepping into /a/
Well good thing because the /a/ thread is constantly deleted so there is never a thread.

>>170507826
Yes it should.

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>>170507826
step off kid

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>>170507937

>>170507826
>Kancolle should not have a place on any board on 4chan
So then Anime is banned from 4chan now?

>>170483294
Takao > Takao

>tfw playing like shit on purpose because I enjoy Takao humiliating me

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>>170508012

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>>170508432
>tfw play like shit on purpose because bad at game

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>tfw montana gets citpussy penetrated

>>170484824
RN
Emerald sucked all joy out of me. Good thing I have Perth.

Who is the most autistic of /wowsg/?

My vote is on LunaticRed

>>170513797
everyone on 4chan, take a look dumbass

>>170513797
LunaticRed is not as autistic as the people who actively hate him. If you cannot handle Lunatic's criticism, that means that you are on the autism spectrum. Normal people are able to handle and acknowledge criticism.

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>>170513797
forever waiting for lunaticred to reroll on NA and play with me desu

>>170514860
he's already rerolled on NA twice now

>>170515113
>twice
you mean four times

1. Unryuu_Kai
2. Unryuu_Kai_Ni
3. dont_aim_me_please
4. Kyogre

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Hey kiddies

I left the game last year after the disaster that was the British CLs

Has much changed since ive been gone?

I saw the new French CA/Ls are coming out soon and i was thinking about getting back in being that i was a CA/L main when i played

My biggest gripes with the game was
>BB heavy meta
>RN CLs were unfun to play
>teams were absolute shit

Any of those change?

>>170516317
Also, i should mention another reason as to why i stopped playing.

I got too much into the stats scene and stopped having fun playing because i was too worried about my stats dropping

>>170516317
No. It got worse. According to WG around 40% are BB.
No. If you didn't like them than you wouldn't like them now. Have you actually tried ships past T5?
No. The only constant is still there

>>170516439
Are you 60% solo unicum?

>>170516317
>BB heavy meta
WG has admitted they're overplayed and wants to work towards fixing that. So probably never going to happen still.
>RN CLs were unfun to play
They're fun above tier 5, just very unforgiving.
>teams were absolute shit
You know that will never change.

>>170516476
Fug

For RN CLs, i stopped at the Emerald. The grind was just too much after i had heard the Leander wasnt much better. For other ships, i own a Hotel, but my only other T8 was the Hipper, which i had plenty of fun with

Figures

>>170516558
Im a 60% overall "Excellent" player, according to warships.today

>>170516731
Actually Leander is considered the point where RN starts to shine. Not as blatantly broken as Fiji, but also not as bad as Emerald.

If you are 60% player, why fear? Fear is the mind killer. Just play in div. It is more fun that way anyway

>>170517306
Mostly because when i was a really active member in this general, i always tried to convince everyone that KM CAs were good, lol

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German DDs are a joke.

>>170517306
I've had more fun in Leander (if only by a little margin) than i had in Fiji desu

>>170517824
Seems like you just need to switch line.

Do you think they'll ever have Hybrid BB's as sidegrades? Like the Ise?

>>170518496
It's a shame because the rest of the German tree is great but their DDs are balls and there's no sign WG will change them.
They need to revert all DDs back to what they were during Supertesting and stop advertising one thing and giving us another.

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Why doesn't WG let players test new lines and premium on the Test Server?
Every game that has a Public Test Server allows new things to be tested to get feedback but for WG only the select few get to. How is that fair? Why cater to the 1%? They're the better players so of course they'll make everything look the best which in turn will make people to cry for nerfs and resulting in them. I'm just so sick of WG lying to us and showing off one thing and then nerfing it before release and destroying our hopes.

Fuck this game. And fuck WG.
At least with Overwtach you can test new heroes on the PTR, you can't test shit on WoWS PTR.

Why didn't they add the H-42/3 into the game instead of the Gross? Is it because they didn't want a ship with bigger gun than Yamato in the game?

>tfw no H-44 with 508mm's

>>170518930
product testing
You don't release something off production stage until you're sure it does work as intended. From what I observe, the STs in Wargaming are used more like a focus group. And, no, Wargaming has everyright not to share information to the playerbase out of commercial or balanse reasons. It's not like this game is a open source project like Linux.

>Why cater to the 1%? They're the better players
Umm... no. STs are not always the best players in the game. On Asia for example, there is a ST who spent only 1 game (one) in PvP mode and 99% in PvE mode. And if you lerk the official forum, you can see that STs are not really the best players either

>>170519360
Thinking more of the YouTubers and Community Contributes. They all seem solid players but then again they probably just show off their best videos.

>>170519225
Why Großer Kurfürst is a lump of something and not the exact project from H-40 to H-44? Where have you got triple turrets?

First, in archives we found nothing except H-class battleship project which was laid, but later cancelled. She has a lot of graphic material accompanying her. We haven’t found any data on other projects (in arhcives – tr). Also, there is no data on the 420-mm gun. Instead we have information that during military tech cooperation Germany offered their naval weapons developments to USSR. Particularly, in russian archives we found materials about directors and artillery systems offered for sale. And in those materials we found a longitudinal section blueprint of triple turrets and her main weights table – armor, guns, mechanisms.
Because ship with 8 420-mm guns (parameters for which were calculated) couldn’t do anything against Yamato or Montana we decided to make a design based on the “H” battleship with 4 such turrets. That’s how Kurfürst appeared. During her design materials on “H” and Bismarck were used. Also we used materials for developed (and not quite) 55-mm AA mounts and 128mm DP mounts.

>>170519584
Source.
https://thearmoredpatrol.com/2017/02/28/wows-interview-with-lestas-ship-design-representative/

WG give KM DP 105mm gun back 5km AA range.
The fact that 55mm gun outranges 105mm gun on the same ship is pretty much ridiculous

>>170519584
Well that's part of the problem. As far as I've dug into it, the Krauts never had plans for triple turrets for their big guns.

>>170519360
I acknowledge that WG is a private company and free to do whatever they want but having players test at least new lines to get a wider range of feedback isn't a bad thing.
Seeing how every new line has been a complete joke and has enraged more players than please. I for one am about to quit this abortion. Allowing players to test new ships and give their feedback instead of a small percentage would be the best thing to happen to this game.
Again, other games do it, what makes WG think it's so special?

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>>170519804
Probably because Yamato and Montana both have triples and H-42/3 would just be another clone of Freddy.
I don't think this but others do, they think Yamato is a the pinnacle of BB design so yes, nothing should surpass Yamato. Unless it's Russian))))))))))

>>170519949
That's so frustrating. the H-42/3 or H-44 would've been neat. 8 huge guns, speed, and armor.

Its not like KM BB gun accuracy is already ))) shit in the game.

>>170520124
You also need to remember that cult following Yamato has, not just in this thread but in the game. If anything surpassed their precious Hotel, there would be hell to pay.

>>170520332
But basically all CV's surpass her.

:^)

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>>170519949
>tfw the top Bong battleship is going to be a 4x2 15 inch gun unless they pull some )))))'s out of their ass

>>170520626
Nelson will be shit.

>>170520626
Bow on Des Moines will absolutely reck this BB

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Would this fix BB's? It would make bow on fights for them more risky between them, and also make DD/CL(A)'s harder for them to shot gun.

>>170520885
>>170520782
I have a gut feeling RN BB's are going to be god's in tier 4-7, then drop like a fucking rock.

>one whole day since baguettes went live on ST
>still no leaks, not even from chinese
WTF?

>>170521254
US BB line should be
South Carolina
Wyoming
New York
New Mexico
Colorado
South Dakota
North Carolina
And Iowa at Tier X.
Stop paper lies.

>>170521728
I'd rather have two USN lines with some paper ships.

Fast BB's and Dreadnoughts.

Plus the Iowa isn't a match for Yamato in any sense of the word.

>>170521984
Maybe in WoWS but in history they were pretty evenly mat.

>>170522086
The Iowa's >advanced< gunnery was horrible, and has no armor.

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>>170520952
wow missing 90% of your shots sounds like a lot of fun dude I have no idea why wargaming hasn't hired you yet youre a freakin genious

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>>170521728
>no Virginia-class with silly turrets
Nope.

>>170522927
Great White Fleet when.

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>>170520332
But Yamato is already trash compared to Kurfurst. When community contributors did the EU vs NA thing at tier X, tryhard EU had GKs as their only BBs. Yamato is only good for looking cute and overpenetrating things.

ok, so between everyone and their okasan in japan playing it, /a/, and you fags I've gotten interested in canned coal botes, how are the browser plugins for translating it, any recommendations?

>>170524468
If you're talking about kancancer, it's fully translated.

>>170524468
There's a general at /jp/, ask there.

>>170524852
ok, thanks, I had no idea where to ask besides here

>>170524468
I use KC3, but it seems like the general on /jp/ memes on you if you do that and I don't know why, and there's KCV as well. Both seem to do the job, neither truly translates the game itself, but they give you a bunch of the info in English and it's really not hard to just memorize all the buttons in moonrunes with help from the wiki to do the rest. The wiki pretty much tells you all you need to know to start playing, and you can really do fine without reading a word of moonrunes, it hasn't stopped me from collecting muh botefu and ringing her.
Though yeah, you're better off just heading to the general on /jp/, they have plenty of resources in their OP. Though they'll tell you to read the wiki a lot, so it's a good idea to do that first.

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D-Destroyer!

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>>170520626
There were several paper botes apart from the G3 and N3 that people have forgotten about, such as the L III.
18 inches are actually 457mm, so Yamato's 460mm guns would still be the largest guns in the game after adding bong 18 inch guns)))))))

>>170519949
Do you really want to open that can of worms?
The game already gives a rather unfair advantage to paper ships, since WG just takes every paper ship specification at face value without considering they were most of the time just a wishlist made up by a drunk designer over a napkin, that sometimes could literally not be met due to budget, technological, or straight up physical limitations.

H44 was a silly unrealistic design that was literally a Bismarck blueprint stretched up. There was no consideration for how it would've been powered, how the silly overcompensating gun caliber would've affected the rest of the ship, or the stupid amounts of steel required to protect the unnecessarily large deck.

And that just opens the door for even more rampant powercreep that eventually ends up in a soviet BB pulled from a super sekrit soviet archive, armed with 4x4 25" guns reloading at 20 secs, capable of 40 knots, with double the armor of Yamato and the best AA in game.

So yeah, no.

>>170525846
You know what is the difference between 457mm and 460?
To overmatch 32mm bow you need 457,6mm gun or rounded to 458mm.))))))))

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>>170525993
WG really needs to change their armor model. Shell plating doesn't stop shit. This picture is a gun barrel from the SMS Seydlitz damaged during the battle of Jutland by 12 inch armor piercing shell that struck at an extreme angle. The british AP rounds of the time performed pretty poorly and shattered a lot and it still managed to gouge out a hole over 2 feet long and about 8 inches deep. And we are talking about a massive piece of hard steel here

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>>170525993
>>170526154
Another example, the Bismarck had upper deck "armor" 50mm thick and even at an extremely shallow angle shells sliced right through that.

>>170526154
You see tovarishch, in Russia we have many experience in naval warfare. According to our studyings, angling your armor is the best taktik. That's how mighty t-34 stopped evil fascist panzer.

>>170526257
and even though rodney and kgv were suposed to have sub par gun penetration they had no problem completely holing bismark through her 350mm tower and her belt

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>their tier ten CV is always at the keyboard
>yours is always afk and gets CV sniped off the start
how does this seem to happen every single game that there are CVs at tier ten?

>>170526409
Makes me really wonder when people claim she would have been an equal match for the more modern US/IJN BBs like the Iowas or Yamatos.

>>170526459
Bisko was outdated even on paper desu
Not like the RN was especially modern.

>>170526443
just further proof of why we needed a grozovoi with even further buffed aa than it had pre nerf

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>>170526409
Because they closed in beyond her immunity zone, no armor is impenetrable. There a both penetrating and non penetrating hits on the Bismarck, but the real world isn't a video game and penetrating the belt armor doesn't necessarily mean critical damage. This happened on several occasions, such as the battle of Jutland, neither the german nor british battleships were destroyed are damaged beyond repair.
Pic related is a plate of turret front armor from a turret meant to go on the Shinano and a 16 inch shell as fired by the Iowa class punched through with the projectile intact. Armor penetration mostly depends on range and striking angle (which itself depends mostly on range too, since the broadside position was and still is the strongest position for any warship)

>>170526781
*which itself depends mostly on range too, due to it's trajectory. And in reality the broadside position was and still is the strongest position for any warship

>>170526154
>>170526257
What is the issue here? BBs are not doing enough damage? Seriously?

>>170526956
Not doing enough damage to each other seems to be what he's getting at.

>>170527160
WG wanted to change how overmatch works and make every single BB able to overmatch any BB bow armor like Yamato is doing now but you faggots started crying that you won't be able to tank bow on so they scrapped the idea. It's your fucking fault.

>>170527297
People cried about it because it was a change that would have done nothing but cause BBs to snipe from the back of the map more than they already did.
Removing bow-on tanking is good, but it'd only work as a part of a suite of changes that would give BBs a reason to be up on the front lines instead of sitting back because getting sub-10km meant getting your entire health bar shaved off by citpens that you can't do anything to stop.
Unless you want T10 to be more of a passive snipefest than it is now or something.

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>>170526781
>punched through with the projectile intact.
The hole suggests that the plate wasn't angled.

>>170527496
I'm assuming that was his point, but yes, that test was done at close range and unangled.

>>170526956
No. It's about making making the game mechanics not defy physics and common sense. The bow on meme completely deprives the game of movement, since you are made to choose between bow on invulnerability and broadside instagib. I think the game needs substantial balance changes and I'm not a fan of the BB heavy meta either. The strong suit of cruisers in the real world was not getting hit, since they can shuck and jive enough to fuck up the firing solution of a BB. Since the easy of aiming and accuracy is much better in the game it's much to easy to oneshot cruisers. This is why the game is so full of BBs and DDs

>>170527160
Not exactly, I just want long range RNG oneshots to be toned down. Some time ago I had a game in the Gneisenau and spotted a Nürnberg maybe 2 minutes after the game started. I predicted his turn and after one left click he 2k HP left. That shouldn't happen.

>>170527571
>>170527160
Also forgot: The bow and stern don't contain anything critical for the performance in battle, so it should be easily penetrable and a reliable source for chip damage.

I can't understand why need Гpoзoвoй in game: we have Удaлoй with 1900 alpha damage and 14,6 rife range, same speed, HP etc. AA but cruisers have better AA, or just get Minotaur.

>>170527462
Contesting caps is more than enough reason already. It's not like sniping baBBies impact the game in any way, they're not going to hit anything remotely moving from that range.

>>170527647
>stern don't contain anything critical for the performance in battle
What is rudder?

>>170527975
Well okay, but that was under an armored compartment. What I was talking about were most of the parts above the water line. Those parts only contained crew accommodations and storage and it doesn't matter if those get destroyed, at least while the battle rages on.

>>170527871
When all of both team's BBs are sitting far back and sniping nobody else is going to want to go in and tank any of that damage either, since it only takes a lucky shell to take off a big chunk of a cruiser's health bar.
BBs are already reluctant to sail in and tank damage for caps, making them free citadels for other BBs at anything below 10km did nothing but make all of them never want to go near a cap, no matter the XP or the fact that's it's vital to winning the game.

>>170528107
I brawled Hotel with NC and won many times, it's all about proper angling. If you can't angle you're going to die regardless, if you can angle bow overmatch doesn't change anything.

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>>170528329
Except this is wrong, the reason I kept bringing up sub-10km was because at those ranges high tier BBs have enough pen that there is literally not an angle you can present that would not get citpenned by another BB in one of the armor plates that you were showing, that's the entire point.
And of course you could beat Hotel with NC, she outright can't angle at all because of her armor layout, without the (admittedly shitty system) of bow-on overmatch that we currently have she became the worse protected T10.
This also made the high tier German BBs even more powerful than they already are compared to the IJN and USN, since they never got any bow armor changes and kept their complete bow-on invincibility.

>>170516476
>According to WG around 40% are BB.
That only gives them longer queues while the other classes get shorter ones.

And when you regularly see 5 dd's per side, you know that he is gaslighting a half-truth.

>>170517824
one game for one tier doesnt prove that. Meanwhile, the t6 and t6 are good and the t2 and t5 get 4 kill games every week.

>>170519885
>Again, other games do it
WG doesnt give a fuck about non-wg games.

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>>170528329
>>170528636
The shells here went through the even more extreme angle in the frontal plate, not even the thinner side belt armor which would have been an even easier penetration.
All of the testing I did shooting at T10 BBs at different angles basically showed that there was no way to angle until you got out to ~10km and further. Unless you were German of course, where you could just charge in and be completely invulnerable from the front with no angling at all.

>>170527571
>bow on invulnerability
You're not "invulnerable bow-on" unless you are facing a Emerald.

Quick fix for the current meta: Have bow """armor""" be automatically overmatched by BB and CA guns, in return: Remove citadels from cruisers or make their gun magazines citadels, so that a citadel hit is only possible with a deliberately aimed close range shot.

>>170529157
>deliberately aimed'
'Laughing RNG'

>>170529157
>t. Casual

>>170514670
>normal people are able to handle and acknowledge criticism
How about him trying to get at wave for the past, oh I don't know, million years? Trying to make him look bad all the time?

Please stop shitposting about wave.

>>170531419
t. wave

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ded

>>170531419
nice try wave, but you don't fool anyone.

Inb4 "It's going to be shit"
https://sea-group.org/?p=2434&lang=en

>>170528636
>there is literally not an angle you can present that would not get citpenned by another BB in one of the armor plates that you were showing, that's the entire point.
For fucks sake. Anything that can't be overmatched will autobounce shells at up to 30 degree angle. Kuma's broadside can bounce Yamato shells with no problems whatsoever for example. And if you're at circa 25-28 degrees angle the game shows you showing a lot of broadside and most baBBies will try to shoot the broadside instead of frontal bulkhead getting nothing but bounces in return. This is especially evident in dogfights where dispersion is tight and random shells can't spawn in your frontal bulkhead. If you keep your cool, show enough broadside for opponent to shoot there and keep your angle you'll autobounce due to balans))) mechanics.

>>170531769
It looks like ungodly child of Hindenburg and Moskva

>>170531852
With those arcs it looks more like the ungodly child of a Zao, DM and Moskva

>Better firechance than Zao, but less guns
>Same number of guns and arcs as DM, but none of its rate of fire.
>Higher gun caliber and DPM than Mosvka, but none of its tankyness.

>>170532108
You forgot that it has penetration of Hindenburg. :D Help I can't stop laughing. 359mm at 5km.
though it can bow overmatch RN CL

>>170532108
Also AA? What AA? Zao has better AA

>>170531836
No you don't get it, of course you can bounce the shells if they hit your more extreme angles, that's flat out not the point. In order to angle one of your armor plates enough to get enough effective armor to resist high caliber AP, you have to angle it to a point where you're forced to flatten out one of the other armor plates on your ship enough it can now be penetrated. If you want your frontal bulkhead to be able to resit 406mm AP, you have to angle it so much that they can now pen your side, if you want to angle your side belt armor you have to flatten the angle of your frontal armor to a degree where it becomes vulnerable again. Sure against people who don't know how to aim you can bait them into shooting the wrong place, but against anyone that actually knows how the game works they will know that they can just shoot straight through at least one part of your armor without issue, which is exactly what happened in some cases.
It's not that you can't present armor that will bounce shells, it's that you can't present an entire armor profile that can't be penetrated by someone that knows to shoot wherever you have the least effective armor. That is what was different from the live version, where presenting the bow armor to anything that's not a Yamato allows you to rest getting citpenned.

>>170532108
>>170532249
Okay not Hindenburg but rather Des Moines, with non of Memes DPM or special autobounce.
Zao is better AP cruiser than ship with 20% larger gun diameter. This is still hilarious

>>170532376
Angle your ship at circa 28 degrees, go in a free camera and look how the opponent sees you. It looks like you're showing full broadside due to how camera works. No one is going to go for frontal bulkheads when it looks like you're showing so much of the juicy broadside.

>>170531419
>wavecave
more like wavegay amirite, literally overcompensating by posting pictures of anime girls, thinking he can fool everyone into thinking he's normally oriented

face it, the fact that he always has to bring up the past shows how unable he is of handling opposing views

>>170532741
>No one is going to go for frontal bulkheads when it looks like you're showing so much of the juicy broadside.
Except they did. I played on that patch, there were plenty of people that were stupid enough to shoot at the wrong place, but there were also people who actually realized that if they were under a certain distance they could always find a spot to penetrate you.
Relying on the enemy not understanding how to play the game isn't always going to work.

>>170532886
I've been relying on it for more than a year already and yet to see a single Hotel which ignored my broadside bait and went straight for the bulkheads. It just werks.

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>>170533428
>ded
>4 minutes after the last reply
Are you retarded son?

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>>170533465
Is it ded now?

>>170533881
No, but you're going to keep claiming it's dead if more than a minute or so goes by because you just want to dump anime.

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How's new Kiev?

>>170534289
Better than old Kiev

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>>170534289

>>170534376
:^)

>>170534376
don't talk cock la

>still haven't touched the ognegoy
Is the stock grind really as bad as it looks?

Have you ever detonate a good player like a real super unicum?

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>>170532742
WAT U SAY?
.

>>170534289
not recommended

>>170535673
Yes, was actually fun and engaging.

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>>170518930
if you could test them, then people would realize how shitty most premiums are and wouldn't pony up for them.

>>170519490
Cherry picking is real comrade. You play a horrible premium 50 matches and choose the one polished turd to post and make WG happy and newbs open their wallets.

>>170522646
with the mechanics as they are in WoWS, your accuracy should improve if they were to swap it to how it appears in anon's post.
>>170520952

However because of the tank style combat (Bow on, angle slightly) it wouldn't work.

>>170538860
>Yards
What the fuck

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>>170522927
>no Kearsarge class with silly turrets

>>170539731
11.7 kilometers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jP5NYZkC80

This may not seem relevant, but it illustrates the difference between hardened steel (bote armor) and mild steel (bote shell plating). A .308 (= 7.62 NATO) FMJ round can penetrate a 1/2 inch (13mm) mild steel plate at 50 yards. And apparently 32mm mild steel plating can bounce 16 inch shells, but only when it is of angle tovarich))))))

>>170540438
>mild steel (bote shell plating)
I thought ship use steel simliar to AR500 (chrome-moly-nickle alloy)

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>>170541053
Shell plating is relatively soft. I don't want to shame Missouri by pointing out her bote cellulite, but all ships that had a career as long as hers look like that. But you can clearly see that the steel is buckled against the hull frame due to it's (relative) softness. They went for mild steel (at least in that time period), since it takes the wear of an oceangoing vessel without fatiguing much better than harder steels, which is also why armor was never a structural part on a warship.

>>170535427
yes, get a div or let it sit until you have enough free xp.

>>170541869
It's like they're canvas!

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>>170541869
Fatty
granny

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>>170543201
She's one to talk with her wrinkly flabby 70 year old ass.

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fire bursting out of smoke stack when you use speed boost

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>went 30 points down in WTR in a single day

>>170543676
>You will never reach 1488 WTR

>>170527496
>>170527547

IIRC It was at a flat angle and the distance was roughly 10k yards, so close for BB guns, but even then this test was useful to test Japanese armor plate quality and how the 16" guns would have done against the thinner belt and deck armor of the Yamato class.

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>>170543336
DONT YOU DARE INSULT IOWA

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>>170543816
>1488

>>170545139
>Slap tomahawks and gatling guns on it
>Call it modern warship
:Laugh:

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>>170545139
Old
Obsolete
Battlecruiser
Hag

>>170543201
Absolutely nothing wrong

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>>170546183
>>170545359

I stopped playing a few months ago but I sometimes check-out flamu's videos are the other RU DDs as bad as the Grozovoi? I thought they'd get me back in the game.

>>170546925
No. Grozovoi is bastard child of WG.
Everyone else are at least good.

>>170546925
Pretty much the same story as with the german DDs. They relied on one particular very strong trait, which was poorly received by testers and the community, so it was removed without compensating for the fact that the ship has lost it's greatest strength leaving you with a steaming pile of shit. The other ones are between good, excellent and ))))))

ded

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>>170541869
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37w7BUxTRuQ
And you see this is why anglo steel and elegance is superior in every way lol

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>>170549449
SMOOTH

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>>170549449
No. It looks like that because it has been in service for 50 years, unlike certain other battleships.

>>170546925
>>170547214
>>170547361
>>170549449
I see things haven't changed around here ,kinda comforting tbf

>>170549449

Meme union pls

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>>170549778
battle cruiser iowa was born with cellulite dudester. it's genetic

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>>170549909

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>>170550187
You cannot compete

>>170547361
>excellent and ))))))
which ones ?

>>170551526
Kiev, kebab, udaloi, some like clubbing in derzki

>>170551526
Obviously Kebab and Udaloi became fully))))))
They received direct buff, without changing tiers. Even discounting new consumables, they still got 18.75% increase in shell alpha, and it is not like those floating pieces of Balans were bad ships before

How long until Zao gets balanced? How come something not approved by Stalin and not powered by the Will of Proletariat is so blatantly OP?

>>170553353
Nerf Zao's armor and problem solved.

>>170553353
She's getting invisifire removed, and is probably not going to be one of the ships that gets counter-buffed since she's good even without it.

>>170553353
Remove those napkin guns and give it 12 standard IJN CA guns.
There problem solved

>>170553353
Remember Tsushima, comrade.
Japan defeated unbeatable Russia fleet. This means that Japan ships are at least as good as Mother Russia Ships, unlike filthy burger.

>>170556101
Bourgeois tsarist fleet was weak. That's why the Soviet had to take over. No fascist japanese ship would ever stand a chance against the might of Red Fleet.

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Hotel (female): Literally, the Lewdest.

This is it?

>>170558771
this is what?

>>170558771
All we had, and ever will?

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>>170557394

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when?

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>>170558967
The end.
>>170559379
Everything.

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>>170560209
R.I.P.
o7

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FywSzjRq0e4
And you can have it all.... My empire of dirt...
>You will never command the helm of your ship and go down with her to the dark depths together forever.

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>reading Tin Can Sailors
>Musashi's sinking

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>>170560209

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>what the IJN died for, and the amount of wounded and dead, spent their lives to save.

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You're all mean to me or ignore me but you're the closest thing I have to friends

>>170561250

What about it?

>>170561945
anyone got the pic of musashi lying on the ocean floor and a sub shining its light on her?

>>170562067
I'm sure you're a good guy anon
making friends with some nice wowsgs was one of the best things to happen to me in a while

>>170562325
>I'm sure you're a good guy anon
Yeah. good enough to be "just friends"
3D was a mistake

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>>170562067
>want to play nazi botes
>watch Schindler's List
>lose spaghetti at end
>literally at very end.

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>>170562197
I just found it really depressing.

It almost made me cry, tbqh.

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>>170562067

Its quite alright anon, some have to find solace in their own way.

Our botefus will always come through for us, that's why they're the best.
You should take her out for a game, what's her name anon?

>>170562742

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>>170564532
My botefu is a fine ship and never lets me down. Even if the meta around her can be not much fun and sometimes even aggravating.

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>>170564532
Bismarck-chan never lets me down

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Watcha up to tonight, /wowsg/?
I'm gonna try and do div boats all night with people!

>>170560209
>Water up to the bridge
>Lights still on
Cameron pls

>>170565760
Server?

How do I change my IGN
Will it cost real life money or is it free

>>170566668
Your Wargaming account management, and it'll cost 2500 Doubloons.

>>170566737
Gold*

>>170566668
You can get one for free if

1) your username is similar to your email
2) your username is political

>>170567439
oh interesting, my username is just my email without the @***, how can I get one for free? I don't really have 2500 gold lying around
Or am I being scamaz'd

>>170559482
>Don't call me Hotel, please

>>170567612
Yes, we can read nipp
Who do you think we are, /jp/?

>>170567591
There should be a guided procedure, and yes it's possible to change your nickname for free if:
-contains part or your real name
-has sensible data about yourself in it
-includes part of the email or birthday or nationality

Had mine changed to avoid endless clan requests from fellow citizens

tonks>botes

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>>170564532

>>170567439
>>170568185
>Grow tired with name
>Change email to one which is similar to name
>Profit
????

>>170568605
>1 fuccboi and 3 nigs

>>170569532

>running a train

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QTs

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Ded

>>170567946
I am unfamiliar with this meme

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I have Atago, is there a point to do the Cruiser line? At Myoko and I just don't see a point when the later tiers are cancer.

>french 240s have 17 second reload and 845m/s shell velocity

is this a joke
am I being pranked

don't do this WG

>>170573016

I'd say not, but Zao is facing good.

>>170573016
>Not wanting Zao
Anon, you really don't want best 203mm guns in game?
>>170573234
>845m/s shell velocity
>bad
Moskva and Zao imaginary guns really spoiled people
Anyway, problem isn't speed, it is that according to SEA group penetration is nonexistent for such caliber

>>170573404
If they're going to give it a 17.15 second reload the shells better travel at fucking Mach 10 so they actually hit when I fire once a century

>https://www.reddit.com/r/WorldOfWarships/comments/5ybj42/flamuu_reviews_the_grozovoi_its_garbage/
>Sub_Octavian actually replies to criticism on Groz and Z-52
You don't see WG coming here to address problems. Just saying.

>>170574421
Because it's a hell of a lot easier for them to do it on reddit as verified users?

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German BBs are the only fun I have anymore in this game.
Kind of want Minotaur but fuck that line.

>>170574421
Forgive my newfagness, but how exactly would WG prove that they are really working for WG?

>>170574831
Judging by the LWA Trigger threads you get a blue name that says verified next to it.

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>mfw i was away from the game for the Graf Spee and missed her

>mfw i keep hearing that KM DDs are shit
What makes them shit, if i may ask?

>mfw baguette boats are coming before italian ships

I played back in it's first public release.

Did the game ever get over the innate boring-ness of sea combat? Is it worth playing right now?

>>170575713
They're not totally unplayable or anything, but they just don't really do anything as well as either the US line or RU line. You can still do well in them and statistically they're mostly doing fine, but they're the sort of line that doesn't really have much in the way of identity or notable advantages.

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>>170575713
>>mfw baguette boats are coming before italian ships
You're getting a premium cruiser. They do this for all new trees, relax. They're coming, maybe this year.

>mfw i keep hearing that KM DDs are shit
They're getting buffed in the near future. WG just revealed they got enough feedback and are planning buffs for the line.

>mfw i was away from the game for the Graf Spee and missed her
She'll like go on sale again or you'll get another chance to earn her this year when the Haifuri colab starts.

Relax, it's not the end of the world.

>>170576125
>not wanting to sail around in your favorite boat

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>>170576125
>Sea Combat
>Boring
That's a (you) problem, lad. Go back to your fast paced call of duties or whatever.

>>170574421
>Another example are IJN DDs that now often have the reputation of being uncompetitive and weak. While Shira is one of the most popular ranked ships and Akizuki having great peformance, the rest of high-tier guys tend to have good top results, and not so good average and median results. That is the effect of their previous rebalance and transition from one of no-brainer and easy lines to more skill-dependent and difficult ones.

Weaboos btfo
Based WG

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>get detonated
>use my 10 flags
>literally the game they run out I get detonated again with no +% detonation flags

X FUCKING DEEEEEEEEEE HAHAAAAAAAAAAAA GOOD THING THEY TOOK AWAY 250 FLAG SCs SO I CANT STOCKPILE THEM ANYMORE HAAAAAA

>https://thearmoredpatrol.com/2017/03/09/wows-0-6-3-french-tier-10-cruiser-henri-iv-stats/
>Terrible AA
>Terrible reload
>Terrible velocity
Moskva is still king

>>170576943
The flags did their job.

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Can someone who's in the discord send me an invite link? Ive decided to come back to the game

>>170575713
You know how great KM cruiser AP is right? Now you can play a line of DDs which relies on it too. Of course, that means your HE must be poor to maintain balans)))))

Of course, you have some other peculiarities too: namely HAS! Enemy DDs will rue coming within 4 km of you (most short-lived) smoke cloud!

KM DDs would be far too easy to play if they had all of these great capabilities without anything to hold them back, so they also have above average base detectability and an extra detectability debuff associated with firing, just to keep things fair)))))))))))))000

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>play a random pub game
>notice my team is stomping
>see this at the end

i know any shitter can get rank 1 after playing 300 battles but these guys made the battle last really short

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>>170575713
>What makes them shit, if i may ask?

Mostly this:
>>170577684
>an extra detectability debuff associated with firing

When you fire your guns you are as visible as most cruisers, 14+ km detection range after firing.


And they tend to take full AP hits from everything. Where your Bensson or Fletcher will eat 1k overpen damage per BB shell, Z23 or Z46 tend to eat 3.8k or so.
Admittedly, they do tend to have a lot of hitpints, so you can actually take a few of tose hits.

They are not unplayable, at least the t 6, 7 and 8 ships are decent. I found only the t5 to be completely useless, but WG already buffed that so maybe it's less shit now.
t2 3 and 4 are mad fun because these things are actually torpedo boats with forward-firing tubes.
t9 and t10 are, ironically, also very good torpbotes. With captain skills and modules you get nearly 60 sec reload on your torps, and the torps are fast and stealthy with 10.5 km range.
BBs just hate it when tehy have to dodge a bank of torps every 30 seconds.
And by 'hate' I mean 'rage in allchat about cheaters while helplessly flooding to death'.

PS: Guns are good, somewhere between US and RU guns. AA is OK-ish, but wil not deter the CVnts.

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Hood Tier 7 Premium, please.

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>>170580084
>hood T7
Its a T6 at most

On a related note, where do you think the Richelieu will be? T7 or 8?

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>>170580084
that huge citadel

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>>170580739

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>>170580084
>>170580661
>>170580739
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s8Iz47tcsmM
>better armored that bc iowa
>citadel below the waterline
>actually could go past 30knts irl not inside faked propaganda
>torps

>>170580661
Needs to be a premium to fight Bismarck and I think 7 is comfy enough for it.
Tier 6 will be Queen Elizabeth class and 7 will be Nelson. No room for it.

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>>170582807
best biggu 7

>>170582654
>knts
holy shit kys

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>>170583236
We invented the word you butangled werahboo. lol

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What will the baguette boat's national flavor be?

>inb4 they reverse faster XDXDXD

>>170583335
'knts' isn't a word, crumpet muncher

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>>170583385
>no armordespite having the second best class A plate next to bongs
>slow reloads or maybe fast whatever
>bad accuracy
>high velocity
>high pen but not as much as russian bb
>low dmg
>fast
>negative % torpedo protection

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>>170583563
nah we invented the language you're just wrong, and mad that iowa never made 30 k-nts

you just don't understand how language works. g-d would understand

>>170583618
>best class A plate

Please excuse my ignorance, but are you telling me that the british cruisers actually have good armor irl?

>>170583873
heavy cruisers with class a plate yea battleships mostly. bongs had best cemented plate overall. itallians made insane quality of lesser thickness

americucks abandoned making class a because all of theirs just shattered because retarded @ metallurgy

germans were mediocre to bad but slightly better than nipnongs

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>>170583776
>konts

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>>170584219
it's a story of redemption

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Was grinding out the Yamato a mistake? It seems like its outclassed by the tier 10 german bb

>>170584950
yes

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>>170584950
>playing TX

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>>170585086
whats this anime crap? I'm here to talk about world of warships weeaboo retard

>New line comes out
>People complain it's too weak
Don't they realize that's how power creep happens? You can't expect British BBs to be the best because then Russia has to be better and so on.
Ship trees need their niche

>>170583776
I don't know what you mean by this? All four Iowas have surpassed 30 knots. They have not surpassed 30 konts, whatever the fuck that is.

>>170583776
Stop sperging mako, I'm not discussing this with you again.

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>>170585196
Its all part of the /wowsg/ experience. Just sit back and enjoy