/dsg/ - Demon's/Dark Souls General

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This thread is now blessed by Gravelord Nito and the Pardoners of Velka.

DaS2 > DeS > DaS1=BB > DaS3

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/Bestlegs/ incoming

@170011683

You got that all backwards.

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>tfw pve runs with friede's scythe and quills
why madman loves dex weapons so much?

>keep making generals early so they post in mine and the next person to make one will have to use my shitty, biased, edited OP pasta
Lucifer is a real gem

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xth for cute

>>170011907
Because strength's identity is "slow" and it's hard to make fun, unique and varied attacks that employ different playstyles while staying within that identity.

Meanwhile there's like a million different ways to be fast

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So I just started the PS4 version of Scholar of the First Sin and it feels kind of strange to me. I only played the original DS2 once and that was at the time of release, but does anyone else think that you're character feels strangely floaty? Maybe I'm just remembering incorrectly.

I did notice, but attributed that feeling to my playing the original at release on PC.

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>>170011998

>>170012150
It's always floaty, DaS2 feels the "least" Dark Souls out of all the games. It's a different type of balance, everything is much slower than the other games, so that each decision you make is more deliberate.

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>that fucking tomb with the large divine ember and 7 giant skeletons

holy fuck i'm spooked

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So, my dear /dsg/, what SL is undead match not dead at? Preferably for non-duels, ideally 6 ffa or 3v3, but other modes work too. Also, can we convince from to put in a "Anything but cancer" option for undead matchmaking? (any game mode except for duels?)

>>170013671
There's an option to queue for 4 and 6 player matches at the same time, I think,

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>>170013950
That one is only 4 and 6 teams or 4 and 6 FFA, not all four modes together

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>>170013581
owo whats this

seriously how do I get there

Whoever's playing Rainbow Shrek over in Lost Bastille right now, I fucking love you.

>>170014369
From the first bonfire (the one you can warp to) climb the ladder, then go right along the very thin walkway. You'll get to a giant coffin where you can go in a hole. Alternatively, after Patches pushes you down a hole, you'll go through the room with 3 bone towers then climb a ladder and hit an illusory wall. You'll emerge on the aforementioned thin walkway, where you go left to the giant coffin.

Bring lube.

>invade
>host is called Newbie
>blue gets summoned
>host uses Curl Up while we fight
cute as fuck desu
Then she destroyed me.

The lack of AR calculation in the ds2 calculator is so frustrating.
How does a lightning longsword compare to a lightning heide sword? A lightning claymore to a lightning watcher sword? I gotta know.

>>170015385
Who cares? Use what looks stylish.

What was the deal with Pinwheel?

>flame appears from the darkness
>pygmies appear from the dark and claim fiery souls
>three great souls are found, and claim the titles of lords
>nito, first to die, claims dominion over death
>witch of izalith, the first mother, claims dominion over life
>and gwyn, who found the greatest soul, claims dominion over all.
>but there was a 4th soul, one that was forgotten, the smallest, and weakest soul, claimed by a furtive pygmy
>the pygmy thought nothing, but then a dark serpent came, and revealed to him that he had the most unique and powerful soul of all.
>he explained that one day, the fire will fade, and the souls of lords will go dark. Having the weakest soul, his would surely be the first to fade, and he could claim dominion over the dark as a lord.
>so the pygmy waited, with strong forethought, even claiming kingship over the progenital city as the lords rescinded their pygmy-hood to move to the surface as gods.
>during this time the pygmy established himself as the father of humanity, and earned great respect from the gods in his own right
>and then one day, the fire did fade, and on this day so too did the pygmy fade, becoming the first undead and claiming dominion over the dark.
>but one day he peered into the essence of his new soul, and discovered a truth that made him experience the same as all who dare to look: true fear.
so the pygmy, known as allfather lloyd, founded the way of white to stave off the curse of dark

>>170015646
>gods are pygmies
Stop

>playing through DS1 for the first time
>get to the Butterfly

Why was that even a boss? I got hit once by the dart shot and that was it, I've never been more bored during a boss fight in a souls game.

>>170015614
Nito's Lord Soul is one hell of a drug.

What gestures do you use before and after a duel?

Me: point down before, legion etiquette after

pcfc anywhere?

>>170015801
Duel Bow before and after. Maybe Applause if it was really good.

>>170015519
>Who cares?
I do. That's why I asked.

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>watching 12 hour livestream of a blind playthrough of Dark Souls
>literally only reached 2 bonfires in that time

>>170015695
It introduces magic, the importance of dodging over blocking, and the usefulness of having a ranged attack.

>>170015672

Im sorry the word pygmy bothers you so much. What race were they before they became gods?

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Dark Souls 3 is my first souls game and I have to say I've never felt this amazement while playing any other type of vidya, this game is amazing.

I know I should've played sooner, but I'm glad I finally stopped by to play. It's breath-taking how good the gameplay feels.

Thank you /dsg/

>>170016147
I once watched a blind stream of Ds3 where the player died over 20 times to Vordt.
Never forget that no matter how bad you are at Souls, there are always people a hundred times worse than you.

>>170016340
>in b4 "but DS3 sucks"

how long do you think it would take to afk 30 proofs of concord kept

>>170016340
Starting with the latest game is dumb

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>>170016340
>Dark Souls 3 is my first souls game

You missed out on so much.
SO MUCH.

DS1 will never be launched again.
SoTFS will never be launched again.

DS1 was the freshest, most memorable gaming experience in a decade
SoTFS was the quintessential multiplayer experience with the most refined mechanics overall

DS3 is top dog, but if it's your first, literally the only thing you didn't miss out on is vanilla DS2, which wasn't around for long anyway.

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If they want me to be happy with TRC, I need to be wandering around the Dreg Heap or Earthen Peak, I come across him,

>I like it quiet. Leave me be.

>>170016739
I feel the game has a lot of replay ability, so I'm probably gonna end up doing that. So once I'm done with my first playthrough I'll head over to Dark Souls 1 and start from there.

>>170016829

He has the sexiest voice of any Souls NPC.

>>170016829
Earthen Peak is in TRC?

>>170017110
It is indeed friend. Get a nice view of the windmills in the videos

>>170016739
>DS1 was the freshest, most memorable gaming experience in a decade

holy kek can these people who never played DeS please shut up?

>>170017163
and you get fire princess lady prostitute set.

>>170017214
Not him but I never played DeS, I'd like to. I will say that playing DaS1 changed how I felt about video games.

>>170017023
>play the others

DS1 is clunky as shit compared to DS3, fair warning. It also has very few NPC summons, so good fucking luck if you need help since you missed on on when multiplayer was active. Same problem for covenants, dead multiplayer.

DS2 SoTFS for mechanics and multiplayer was the most refined in the series, so all you'll get is the mediocre world compared w/ DS1&DS3 and not the part that made it good. Honestly, the world/aesthetics/lore isn't terrible, just notably not as good as the other two.
I also like DS2 for content, since it wasn't a nostalgia wankfest of recycled content like DS3. It has the most original content of the series, AND the most content overall.

>>170017214
>never played DeS

Console exclusive?
Console exclusive.

>>170017214
Can these people who never played King's Field shut up?

>>170017327

DaS1 is basically a simplified DeS with more refined mechanics and a connected world. DeS's atmosphere blows DaS out of the water and did shit mechanically that miyazaki won't have the balls to do again, like scraping spear and a boss literally stealing levels. it's a very unique experience.

I just died to vanguard wtf is this game over now

>>170017507
I'd really like to try it out some day, maybe after TRC and I've finished fucking around in DaS2 again. Had to start my RtD over again, decide to do a Vengarl Cosplay over what I had going, much happier now.

>>170017393

>king's field
>having mechanics even remotely similar to soul games

>>170017356

not an argument for anything but being either poor or ignorant.

>>170016147
>implying you need more than 2 bonfires to finish the game
Casual, please

>>170017691
>letting facts get in the way of shitposting
Come on now Anon

>>170017803

who says I'm not shitposting?

>>170016829
>get his weapons as unique paired ultras

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Who dis?

>>170018476
O~oh, merciful Goddess, Mother of the Forlorn, who have no place to call their own...

>>170018476

gwyn's mommy

>>170018476
Nashandra

>>170018476

Velka.

>>170018476
Gwyn's wite, Mandolynn

>>170016291

Pygmies were the cavemen descendants of man

They were living underground when the Dragons owned the surface

>decide to kill the Rotten
>try and descend the majula pit
>goes relatively easy
>get poisoned as I enter the gutter
>die of poison literally as I light the fire
>it didnt count
>descend again
>inexplicably boost of a ledge and fly off the platform
>this happens twice
>make it down again
>slide off the platform before entering the gutter
>descend again
>enter the gutter
>jump down to the bonfire
>the planks that catch your fall and break are gone so I fall and die

I can't believe I forgot how shit this game was designed.

>>170019651

>wife

mandolynn is gwyn's granddaughter idiot

>>170019850
Gutter >>>>>>>>>> Blighttown

Or did you not play DS1

>>170019927
Blight town was fucking fun in my opinion. Walking around there was creepy and immersive.

The majula pit is a fucking platform minigame in a game not designed for platforming. The gutter isn't my problem. It's the stupid fucking descent.

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Do you guys ever feel terribly depressed haha :')

>>170020047
Blighttown had platforming as well

Going to the gutter can be done just walking, but there's a lot more viable jumps you could make if you're either brave or stupid enough.

I cant make myself enjoy churning through ds2 again :(...i wanted to join in on Return to drangleic but its such a pain fighting the pursuer and relearning everything through trial and error for hours on end

>>170019850
>be low HP hexer
>time to fuck up Rotten
>fall into majula pit, die, pretty much expected that
>have gilligan build tiny ladder, that little buffer should be enough to protect me
>climb down ladder, fall, die
>ok maybe my HP is a bit low for that
>effigy
>buy second ladder
>climb to bottom
>jump to next platform down
>fucking die
Sure is nice being forced to level in a specific way or buy a specific ring to progress in a plot-relevant manner. I know not raising your HP is dumb as shit but it still irks me.

>>170019927
>>170020047
>>170020454
Blight town is traversable entirely by walking and climbing ladders. The only bullshit part of it is the swaying 'where is the fucknig ground' bridge, and the framerate before it was fixed.

>>170017356
>>170016739

I think this is the only time I've ever seen good things said about SoTFS without thirty people telling me I'm wrong.

>>170020515
>the pursuer
Literally the easiest boss, with the most active summons.

>>170019915
She's the mother of Gwyndolin, not his daughter.
>>170019927
The gutter is kinda better in terms of layout, but it makes no sense and can never allow me to suspend my disbelief. There is no way anyone could or would have built that, it makes no sense and the biggest offender is the height. These is just no way wooden columns that long wouldn't twist, bringing the whole site to the ground
>>170020068
O-of course not, my life is full of meaning and adventure and I don't know the meaning of the phrase"existential dread" haha

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hello in ds3 I have a yellow smokey haze around my character that looks kinda like a ghost face what is this aura and why is it on me

>>170020625
>The only bullshit part of it is

The mosquitos you can't hit reliably without ranged weapons, and constantly get stuck under platforms where you can't hit them?
The firebreathing dogs?
The ultra-narrow catwalking?
The framerate still being fucked even after it was patched?
The deadends fucking everywhere?
The poison dart shooters when the spider shield you can get before this is hidden and there's fuckall you can do but die repeatedly or spend half the time waiting about for your poison to go down just to progress?

The gutter had better secrets too.

>>170020701
>it makes no sense
Neither did the platforms down to blighttown.

The gutter descent at least wasn't entirely narrow 1 dimensional tightroping against shit you can't hit coupled with shitty framerate.

Lighting all the torches is way more fucking satisfying too.

ceremonial stonesword

str: 12 dex: 14
str: E dex: D phys: 58 dark: 58

WA: purge - temporarily increases curse resistance and reduces curse buildup.

An ancient blade carved from an archtree, the ornate cross guard representing the symbol of the father. Never intended as a weapon, however its ability to sear the soul of both self and foe makes it a woeful instrument.

lily chime hammer

str: 40 fai: 24
str: D fai: B phys: 155

WA: gentle prayer - recovers HP for a period of time, albeit extremely slowly. Works while equipped in either hand.

A great bell wielded by warriors of the white sun, serving as both a weapon and a chime. Gains its namesake from its gentle ring, and the white sun warrior's uncanny ability to lift it through faith alone, regardless of personal strength.

what did miyazaki mean by this?

>>170020625
>the framerate before it was fixed

They fixed the framerate? Mine still fucking tanks the second I hit the area of blighttown where it gets dark

>>170020625
There's THREE fucking ladders you can buy. Did you just buy the 500 soul ladder?

The 2000 soul ladder is one of the cheapest tollbooths in all of darksouls.

>>170021102
i had a low-level build called the torchlighter whose only purpose was to invade the gutter and light all the torches. if people came to fight me, i'd blast them with pyromancy

>>170021126
CHIME
H A M M E R

>>170020454
Only if you wanted a meme katana.

>>170021373
Genius. I used to do this on the Wharf level.

For some reason the illusion door and breakable wall there is almost unknown to most people too.

>>170021126

please be real

>>170020701
>>170021102
I just resent the gutter for having a far less interesting scenery and atmosphere. Blighttown at least was very confincing that you were making your way down the metaphorical drain, following the road down to where all the filth and disgusting matter of the city flowed down to. The whole thing being built by rickety wooden structures hanging by the side of the massive stone archs and lower walls of the city above was neat, and when you reached the bottom it was just a stagnant pool of poisonous filth and subhuman things. And if you kept going down further beyond that, on one side you have demons and lava, and on the other the Great Hollow.
Gutter by comparison is just a cave that leads to Black Gulch, which is... another cave, just green.

>>170020515
>pursuer
You get the buckler in the same area. Pursuer is a parry tutorial.

Going back through DS2 made me realize why I prefer it's magic to DS3; it has less spell variety, but more variety of casting tools for mixed mages (either melee and magic or multiple magic types). 2 has Black Witch Staff, Blue Flame, Disc Chime, Mace of the Insolent, Pilgrim's Spontoon, Sanctum Shield, and Sorcerer's Twinblade. 3 only has Cleric's Candlestick, Crystal Chime, Golden ritual Spear, Heysel's Pick, and Immolation Tinder.

>>170021363
Yeah, I bought the 2 cheapest ones, since the third can't actually let you progress into the gutter. After climbing down the second ladder, the next mandatory fall killed me from full HP.

What's a good amount of souls to save up for DeS NG+? Sitting at 100k right now.

>>170011516
Nameless king is so hard to beat

>>170021850

doesn't really matter ,just enjoy yourself. if you overlevel you can just let allant suck you off.

>>170021549
I recall a couple breaking platforms which would force a jump or fall to get out

fuck that katana jump though seriously

The armor set there also can't be reached by walking IIRC

>>170021750
I distinctly remember having no issue with ladders playing a low-SM Deprived

>>170021047
Are you using Pyromancer's Parting Flame? If so, it means the WA is ready.

DLC 2 when?

>>170021750
>Disc Chime
I fucking love this thing but I don't see it used enough.

I miss Hexes.

>>170022004

soon

info is already leaking, be wary

>>170011516
>Leaked first boss fight (SPOILER): https://my.mixtape.moe/ldkpad.webm
Link is broken

>>170022069
it is supposed to be in march, right?
the only infos I want to know are the new spells

Can anyone on PC help me beat nameless king?

>>170021917
Deprived starts with more vigor than swordsman.

>>170022048
Meh, it ended up being strictly inferior to the sanctum shield, but the latter was a reasonably late-game item so I guess that's OK. Here's hoping DLC2 brings back something like it and the other weapon catalysts. My fedoralord spellsword refuses to invest in faith to use the candlestick.

Dark Souls 3 worth the 71.99$?

>>170022458
Wait for the GOTY on sale.

There is no sequel to suck the life out of the multiplayer, so it will be kicking for quite some time.

>>170022380
Meh I'm a fucking faggot meh

thats my impression of you, ya little shit

go to hell lad

>>170022296

three categories:

more dark and deep related stuff

a bunch of crystal dark magic, shit like crystal deep soul. im assuming these were easy to make since there's a fuckload of them

quite a few "divine" spells and miracles, mostly miracles. think divine wrath, tranquil walk of peace

>>170022568
Are you just bored today or something?

>>170022380
you dont need to meet the faith requirements to enjoy the sorcery buff

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>TFW your favorite straightswords are objectively the worst in the game

Shortsword I hardly knew ye

Foot Soldier sword I-
AT RISK

>>170022631

life is always boring

So, how far can you reasonably expect to get with SL1 and fists before you ragequit in DS3?

>>170022662
Cleric's candlestick isn't the scholar's candlestick. The latter gives you a buff just by holding it. The former is a sword/catalyst that as far as I know doesn't function if you don't meet the requirements. RIP blue flame.

>>170022004
3 more weeks lad

>>170022813
I'm confident you can reach Firelink Shrine.

>>170022837
oh, my bad

>>170022781
>fucking baller handguard
>snaps like a twig

>>170022458
Not even worth 50.

>>170022458

Who sells it for that much?

>>170023473
If I had to guess, that anon is Canadian.

Canucks get cucked on vidya prices, triple A releases are 70+

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I want to make a PvP build in DaS2, but I have a huge yet trivial problem that I can't seem to overcome.

I'm extremely autismo when it comes to starting classes, but the only class I really like lags behind a bit in level efficiency for the build. I know that it's just the beginning, but knowing that I'd be starting as a different class and the fact that I'd see that class name when I check the status menu scorches my flesh with the collective body heat of 1,000 screeching downies.

>killing Nashandra with King Ultra greatsword
This is a fitting end for this abomination
Also the dlc for das 2 were nice, especially the Sunken Crown with the level design and final boss

>>170015801
>Throw crow knife

Can anyone on PC help kill the princes of lothric?

>>170024120
>killing Nashandra with King Ultra greatsword
poetic

Need help- do I need to level up adaptment or whatever on DSII for i-frames? I was told that was true

>>170024385

Yes.

>>170024632
Im ready whenever you want

>>170024683

Let's do it, Anon. Where do you want the sign? Password dsg?

>>170024608

Yes. Adaptability. Easy enough to google for details.

>>170024807
Just right around the door or whatever and yeah the pass works fine

>>170024934

Sign down.

FC?

I spent 5~ hours leveling from 30 to 60 at darkroot and now I'm literally pwning bosses left and right. I cleared catacombs, depths, blightown and undead burg with a maximum of 3 swings of my sword against eveything except the bosses and I haven't died to a boss since I returned to undead asylum because he's got a magic attack.
Did I waste those 5 hours? It really made the game easier.

>>170025031
Thanks so much dude

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>>170025425

>>170025425
I think you might have missed the point of Dark Souls somewhere along the way.

>>170022534
>no sequel
Until the next Fromsoft dark fantasy i.p that's probably coming in 2018 or something.

>>170019927
Blighttown was great, felt like it had a sense of purpose within the game world and environmental focal points like the big waterwheel or the buttress of the big outer wall.

>>170025908

grinding up levels is a perfectly legit strategy and way to play the game

next you'll try to tell me that leveling strength, using a greatshield and block-punishing your way through is missing the point of dark souls

>>170025840
>that fucking baby
Goddamn it's been a while

>>170026129
I think he means you'd have enjoyed yourself more if you spent those 5 hours playing through the game rather than repeating the same mobs over and over.

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So.... I accidentally ended up outside the boundaries of the game. I don't even know what I did.

Is there any point in having grierat go and pillage lothric castle? Do i gain a gesture or anything of use for it?

>>170017507
>DeS' atmosphere blows DaS out of the water
Completely subjective.
I agree that DeS had a more coherent and focused narrative at the cost of complexity but what was better atmosphere comes down to personal taste.

>>170017214
If you paid 400$ for a DeSmachine you have absolutely no room to kek at people.

>>170026501

His inventory gets expanded, yes, including giving unlimited purchases for things that have limited purchases otherwise.

>>170026501
Infinite supply of rime-blue moss clumbs, lightning urns and splintering and explosive bolts. Also patches gets an extra hidden blessing for sale.

>>170026314
I don't think dying to skeletons and other random ambushes would be more enjoyable. I'm enjoying myself more than I did back in the early game because I'm actually making progress instead of struggling with my depression over getting screwed over by canon fodder because of one mistake.

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>>170026501
>>170026550
>his inventory will get expanded
More like his colon will be expanded.
If you send Greirat to Lothric Castle he will be riprip.

>>170026618
Patches is a Slavic street shitter. He squats, wears a track suit and backstabs you when you let your guard down.

>>170026821
Jokes on him though, I had already killed both giants.

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i asked this question on /v/ yesterday and was told to come here.
im making a freddie mercury character and i would like some opinions on what build would best suit him :)

>>170026945
Faith build because it sucks dick.

Can someone explain what crystal weapons and shields are for?

>>170026945
Full champion gundyr cosplay.

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>>170022781
I want to do a Drangleic soldier run of DaS2 where I only use Drangleic soldier gear and use better quality shit per new game like NG is Drangleic infantry shit, NG+ is Hollow Soldier gear, NG+2 is Royal Swordsman, NG+3 is Syan Knight and NG+4 is Drummond's gear.

>>170028151
You will burn out after ng+1.

>>170026945
Make whatever build can make the best use of Dancer's Enchanted Swords

>>170028151
>Drummond
I fucking hate that armor set.

So many plebs running around in it, and it doesn't even fit the theme of the other national armor sets.

>>170024057
either your name autismo or your efficiency autismo will have to bite the bullet

do efficiency every time, once you're past the leveling hump, you won't mind, but the name will stay on your character page forever

>be in undead parish
>killed the armored pig
>can't remember how I opened this gate the first time
>go into the room full of hollows
>kill them
>climb the first ladder
>where is the second ladder
>can't see it
>think I'm stuck
>but wait ! I can get there going where Havel is, open the door then just run through Darkroot to get to the gargoyles !
>Imagenius.scroll
>discover a bonfire next to the Black Knight
>nice
>finally get back to the undead parish
>open the gate
>if I get back a bit maybe I'll discover there's another way to get past this gate
>discover the second ladder in the room full of hollows

Kill me. I feel stupid.
Anyway what key do I need to open the door leading to the depths, iirc, on the bridge with the drake ? Do I need the one sold by the merchant ?

>>170028313
Too bad that if you want to look good wearing armor in the early game your only hopes are either that or the Royal Soldier set then.

Is smough a knight or not?

>>170026914
doing a fresh playthrough, i got to enjoy his little tantrum when he discovered both giants were already dead

>>170028537
convoluted

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>>170028536
Royal Soldier is the best looking armor set in all of Dark Souls

I just wish it wasn't so mediocre for it's weight.

>>170028517

Nah. There's a body next to the lever that opens the gate. It has the key to the depths on it.

>>170028517
The key to the depths is dropped by capra demon. The key to the lower burg where capra resides is on a corpse outside of the church. Between the entrance and the gate.

>>170028537
Yes, he's a bigmac to-knight

>>170026816
>send greirat to irithyll
>let's get him rescued
>talk to patches "haha we're two outcasts"
>talk to siegward "zzzzzzzzzz"
>beat sully
>greirat's ashes are in the sewer

you fucking little cunt

>>170028674
I'll never understood why they didn't use that as the basis for all base hollow enemies as opposed to that atrocious padded shirt + conquistador helmet combo.

>>170028674
It was ruined for me when I noticed a gap in the helmet and chestpiece, it's like a gaping hole straight into the neck.

Is there any demand for a PC FC right now?
I can host

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Hey guys,

If they released a "SoTFS" type reboot of DaS1 (engine update, performance boost, graphics update, shuffle items&enemies&NPCs, balance tweaks, new content)
but you had to "buy it again", would you?

I'd pay a full 60$ just to have a fresh injection of players

>>170029014
>check das3 steam player count
>solid 6000 or so for the last few months

after coming back from a couple of early access multiplayer games struggling to maintain a playerbase, it's really nice

>>170028385
So go with the class I'd rather not have, and just grit my teeth until the pain goes away?

>>170028792
Hollow infantry actually look pretty fucking dope imo.

>>170029104
NO

the other way around

make it a labor of love to use the class you want

>>170028683
>>170028709
Thanks, my niggers

Jesus cocksucking christ I forgot how absolutely retarded the invader npc's were in DLC and SotFS.They play by their own fucking rules. They trade hits with you and come out on top so hard every time.

The only exception to this was Maldron who was legit hilarious.

>>170028792
>padded shirt

Chain. It's a chain shirt with padded leather over that.

>being angry there were THREE fucking versions of generic hollow armor

DaS1 had, what, regular and Balder?

The only thing I'm mad about is I can't get the Soldier longsword with the bitchin crossguard and 1-handed thrust, only the foot soldier sword and the royal swordsman sword.

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what happened here?

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>>170026821
I fucking hate Chalice Rom.
Story Rom I can usually deal with no trabbu but chalice rom is seriously fucking me up.

>>170029158
I will, anon. I will.

By my blade Bone Fist I will use the class that has been by my side the entire time.

>>170029104
>>170029158
what i meant was "sacrifice efficiency every time" and my wording was fucking stupid earlier

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God I hate these guys...

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PC FC at High Wall
Pass is dsg

>>170029498
Helping people through levels is never worth it dude

>>170029387
I love Forlorn.

He always lets you chug estus. He's not super aggressive. He's pretty slow and chill.

It's like getting a visit from an old friend.

Should I bother with NG+ of DeS or just move on to Dark Souls?

>>170029587
Good parry practice as well

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>>170029540
I hope that shithead Pate doesn't show up.

>>170029436
DaS 1 had Armored Hollows like the guys with the Battle Axes and such, Hollow Knights wielding longswords and spears and Balder Knights. Althopugh most of those armors looked kinda stupid on non hollow players.

>>170029457

you're stealing the dark soul to become the one true dark lord

all lord souls are dark souls. furtive was just the first

>>170029735
No reason to do NG+ unless you want to plat the game or just want to play it more.

>>170029540
on my way pham

>>170029014

I'm tired of this "muh sotfs" people constantly asking them to remake all the games. they only remade dark souls 2 because it was fucking bad.

>>170030051
Really it was because DS2 released at a weird time and they could double down on a PS4/Xbone port.

>>170030051
>they only remade dark souls 2 because-
-it was right inbetween console generations and they could do much better with a newer version of DirectX with less bullshit from older console limitations.

Thank fuck too, since SoTFS and DS2 hold Best and Worst DaS games in my ranking.

>>170030270
How did SotFS improve it that much for you?

>>170030270

how could you consider the exact same game both the best and the worst? I have played both, the changes are minimal.

DaS2 autists need to leave

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>>170029559
Sometimes is fun, but yeah, nowadays it's nothing but disappointment

what rings you got for quality build?

DaS3 of course

>>170030356
>>170030360
>how
Launch-day vs final-version

Biggest fucking difference in all Souls games. Patch changes, DLC, and Meta.

>>170029540

Is it free of discord?

>>170030681

>meta

pvpfag spotted, ignore his series-neutering opinions.

>>170030661
Life+3
Favor+2
Cloranthy+2
Hornet/Leo/Cat/havel+2

>>170030681
I can see where you're coming from. Oddly enough in many ways SotFS feels like one of the most finely polished out of the dark souls trilogy at least.

>>170029858
Plat requires four playthroughs and I doubt I'd bother with more than two. Dark Souls it is.

>>170015801
Legion etiquette before
Path of the dragon on their corpse after

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Invading in souls games is now 99.9% of the time either some boring ass 1v1 with a dude at a bonfire waiting for summon signs, or a 3-5v1 with a bunch of phantoms

I miss when it was actually fun to invade in demons souls and dark souls before this game was 'research the wiki for the best build and never play through by yourself because its too hard"

yea im tired and bored of the online interactions in this game and the pve is only really fun for the first few playthroughs.

kinda sad

>>170030926
Not really, if you're going for plat in DeS you might as well abuse the fuck out of the very convenient item dupe glitch. But yeah, probably best to move on anyway.

what burial gift is better?

>>170031162
None

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Why doesn't her sister turn human when you give her humanity?
Isn't that what humanity is for?

>>170031018

multiplayer fags are trash and are slowly ruining the game, I almost wish DeS didn't even have multiplayer

their shit is literally damaging the PvE too, you know half the shit being locked late into the game is specifically for PvP balancing reasons.

>>170031162
DaS1: Master Key
DaS2: Petrified Something
DaS3: Rusted Coin

>>170030919
>SotFS feels like one of the most finely polished

It's hindsight being 20/20.

DaS1 is on a Pedastal, untouchable
DaS2 actually tried to refine it
DaS3 threw all that out the window

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>>170031193
It's a trick, she's a monstrous abomination gluttonously devouring humanity.

Do the right thing and slay the beast.

>>170031250

>rusted coin

why

>>170031162
>>170031250

Master Key
Petrified Something
White Branch

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>>170031202
Summoning phantoms is so brainless and numbing just mowing through all the enemies what's even the point and everybody does it their first time playing the game.

I'm just kinda bummed my favorite series of games isn't fun anymore

I'm looking forward to the new DLC and then I guess that will be the end ;(

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>>170029559
I actually got summoned by him again, seems like he died.

>>170031162
witch ring
because the true ending to DaS1 is Solaire taking his rightful place

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I really hope King's Field: the ancient city is released for the ps4. It's unlikely, but I hope nonetheless.

>>170026945
Level up dex and use a katana like all the other diseased faggots.

>>170031360
None of the gifts are particularly great in 3, but the rusted coins can help if you wanna farm an early lothric knight sword or something.

>>170031757
the white branch bruh

>>170031202
Having played DeS through last week, I've yet to see any multiplayer activity aside from one blue summon sign.

>>170031250
>Rusted Coin
*Black Firebombs

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>you will never wield the large sword of moonlight on a paladin again

>>170031342
But she's so kind hearted

>>170031342
Someone actually gave her 60k humanities which is the cap. She still won't turn human

the way of the white should be a pyromancy covenant not a religious covenant. And the members should have the attire of the KKK while using crosses to shoot fire.

>>170032297
Why not dual wield immolation tinders and don some white robes?

>>170031202
>their shit is literally damaging PvE too
I disagree, because I think the levels in Soulsborne have as much shortcuts as they do partially so that invaders will find their way to the hosts faster without having to run thrpugh an entire level.

>>170032680

you're retarded

>>170031816

>8 year old game with 4 sequels doesn't have active multiplayer

fucking shocking I know

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Finally. With this I'll finish my Enemy set. What theme should I do now? I got 5 spots left.

>>170032854
you're retarded

I'm pretty sure solaire is gay

>>170033112
I'm gay

>>170033137
But you're not Solaire
Are you Pontiff by any chances ?

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how do i stop getting assfucked so much in the fc?

>>170033210
you're gay

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>>170033112
>>170033137

>>170032980
If you knew your videogame history at all, you'd knoe that's exactly why Doom's and Duke 3d'd maps were like they were and conversely why fps games with their singleplayer maps being designed with only singleplayer in mind were linear as fuck.

Playing through Souls 3 after a pretty extensive break.

Did they tweak Darkmoon summoning? I don't remember Blue Sentinels ever working this reliably before.

Currently hanging around Farron Keep/Cathedral of the Deep and seeing how many ears I can get before moving on.

>>170033240
git gud

>>170033281
Solaire 'If you're a queer, you get the sunlight spear' of Astora

>>170033426

IIRC they adjusted some things regarding how the two covenants connect so they're a little better now.

Still a pain in the ass for most, though.

>got my shit pushed in by Champ consistently at SL80+9 on my first character, despite consistently doing shit like using buffs that he was weak against
>somehow manage to beat him first try at SL60+8 on my second character, with zero buffs
I'm confused, I don't even think it's because I got gud. It felt more like the RNG behind which attacks he used were more generous to me this time than all times before.

Then again, my last character was 25 VIG and never Embered, whereas this character was 30 VIG and Embered, I think it saved my life at least twice during the fight.

>>170033426
Blueberries have always worked far better at low SL's, because more newbies trying to get through the game will have it equipped. There's also increased activity because DLC2 is coming later this month.

So between DS1/2/3 and Bloodborne, which NPC phantoms are capable of beating their respective bosses without player assistance?

Tarkus: Iron Golem
Beatrice: Moonlight Butterfly
Leeroy: Pinwheel
Jester Thomas: Mytha
Gascoinge: Cleric Beast

These guys can do it, but anyone else?

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>>170031878
says who

Dark Souls 3 crashed. FC will resume shortly.

What should I do for RtD, Str or Sorc

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>>170034359
fixed

>>170034540
Strsorc

>>170034908
wait fuck I need to change staff

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>>170030661

The only no-brainers are Life and Favor rings, everything else kinda depends on what you're doing. For invasions Silvercat and Hornet rings are good; falling distances without worries about your limited healing resources is nice, and Hornet can take a riposte from a mere healing tax to guaranteed kill.

You can use Knight/Hunter rings to save levels for Vig/End/Vit obviously, Havel's if you're using heavy stuff, Blood Ring for keepaway weapons, everything else is kinda build-specific.

And if you really want to be hardcore, after you get hit hotswap your Life ring for Sun Princess.

>>170031202

The multiplayer is one of Souls' most interesting mechanics, full stop. It's genius and if anything should be more encouraged than it has been for the last few installments.

Never played a Sorcerer in any Souls games, thinking of giving it a try, any tips on Sorceries in DaS3?

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>>170034540
POWERSTANCE SPOTTED WHIP POISON MAJORA

>>170035448
Yeah, don't do a sorcery build.

>>170035569
>Smough Helmet
>Thorn Armor
>Artorias Leggings

>>170035703
>ds2

>>170035741
Oh sorry I misread it as TRC

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FC over. Thanks for coming.

>>170033240
stop using bloodlust and trying to parry ultras is a good beginning

>>170035585
:(

>>170035993
thanks for hosting anon
>>170036017
i like it though
guess i just need to learn2parry

Offensive miracles are trash in ds3 right?

>>170033240
strip naked and slap their shit

>>170036130
You can't parry most Ultra's 2h attacks dumbass, has nothing to do with being good at it.

>>170036130
trying to parry moves that cannot be parried is just you know...RETARDED

>>170036219
yeah, i got that from your post. i just meant in general

I was invading just fine earlier, but now literally every invasion is "failed to invade". What gives?

>>170035424

it's an interesting mechanic, but they've been stifling what is fun about it, for the sake of people who want to play structured pvp want

pvp has gotten progressively worse since DeS, though the drop in DaS1 was pretty small

I want scraping spears and viable debuff mists and soul suck is fucking hilarious. an invader should be a threat, not someone to farm with my 3 irl friends who I summoned and am talking to via voicechat.

souls multiplayer should feel aberrational, like you're leaving the normal ebb and flow to become part of another players single-player experience.

>>170036157
As far as I am concerned, every offensive spell is trash in Dark Souls 3. I have never seen a Souls game where the meta is so strict as this one.

>>170036536
>>170036157

miyazaki has never been happy with offensive miracles, they're more of a requirement at this point.

>>170036157
Not for PvE they aren't
>Lightning Stake

>>170037060
Stake is literally the only good pve miracle that wasn't fished out of an old toiletbowl

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>>170036321
>for the sake of people who want to play structured pvp want

I think this is a misapprehension people have here because you are unusually inundated in people who enjoy that and talk about it. To me it's been very clear that the changes in Souls multiplayer mechanics have been universally to protect single-player focused hosts who got bullied mercilessly in DeS by the mechanics you mention, scraping spears and soul sucking and the whole shebang. What they have done in every game, especially from DS2 on, is close down on how often invasions happen, how much invaders can really do to hosts, and made serious attempts to cut down on twinking. In DS2 they put in SM and removed the reusable Red Eye, in BB they made it impossible to invade below a certain level and made it so that you have to ring a bell in some way before you can be invaded at all, and in DS3 they made the invasion timer really forgiving to hosts, to the point where if you play through without summoning you might never get invaded at all outside of the designated rape zones.

The only game that's had an arena to start is the one that Miyazaki didn't helm, it's clear that at least he doesn't give two shits about structured PvP.

>>170037060
When do they become good in pve? It wasn't the best environment for a test run but I tried to lightning stake Ocerios at 35 faith with a +6 talisman and it only did around 350 damage per hit. Barely more than a raw ASS r1 and less damage than raw ASS r1's while buffed with lightning blade.

>>170036321
PvP peaked with DaS1. It had the deepest PvP in the series.

>>170037365
Much like sorceries, if you're not at 60 in the relevant stat with as many damage-boosting items equipped as possible, they are inferior to using a weapon - particularly raw ass. I guess the idea is the fact that you get so many more casts with ashen estus makes it balanced, but it obviously doesn't.

So I finished Anri's quest line, killed Aldrich with her and got her sword from Ludleth, but I can't seem to buy her armour from the Shrine Handmaiden

Do I have to go and lay her to rest?

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Finally done with it, now I can make a new theme that isn't just full sets. I was thinking videogame protagonists, but so far I only have Adol Christin from Ys, but idk what other 4 characters I'd use. Is there a better theme I could do?

>>170031202
As someone who actually love the multiplayer in Souls games, I have to agree with this.

>>170037848
Yes, she is either in smoldering lake or the spot you find the crest shield at the beginning of cathedral of the deep outskirts.

>>170024024
Kinda late but im from Argentina, not Canada

>>170036321
>pvp has gotten progressively worse since DeS, though the drop in DaS1 was pretty small
>There's people who actually think DeS has better pvp than DaS
wew. I guess you must love to have everyone being immortal due to second chance and infinite grass spam.

>>170024024
>triple A releases are 70+
That's just exchange rates.
~86CAD is 60-something USD so we pay about the same value for our games.

We only get cucked when importing stuff since our money isn't worth the pretty-coloured paper it's printed on when it comes to global exchange.

>light bonfire in Blighttown
>don't rest at it because I don't want shit to respawn
>continue on
>fuck up a roll against a barb and get punted
>throws me off a ledge because lol why would I get thrown in the direction the swing was going?
>respawn in the Depths

FUCK

Why are clerics depicted as priests when muslims are more faithful than them?

>>170038043

anti-heal fags are fags

DeS fights were a fucking battle and it was entertaining.

>>170038327
Next time rest at the bonfire. You're playing dark souls.

>>170038334
Because this is a game about fighting and islam is peaceful

>>170038427
Yeah, a battle against your patience you mean. I remember wasting 80 grasses and 7 second chances in one of my invasions, me and the guy were almost giving up at the end.

Grass spam wouldn't be THAT much of a problem in DeS because of the massive damage you can deal in that game, however, grass combined with second chance and mana items is what makes everything cancerous.

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>>170037891
>that horrendous clipping on the Silver Knight armor
Gracious...

>>170037891

why are your bk and sk so fat

>>170038704
I like elongated fights. I'll never understand why duelfags like imposing no estus, especially when charms exist. Also, healing being a factor changes how you have to play, and in some cases changes the implications or usefulness of certain weapons.

Also, why the fuck do you faggots always flip your shit when I don't wait for you to buff or toss a duel charm at you when you do?

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>>170038904
Because

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>>170016829
best ds2 npc imho

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>>170039036
>fat with painted-on abs
This fucking game

What order do i play DeS levels in

What's a pygmy?

>>170031202
This games would be absolutelly nothing without multiplayer.
I played DaS on a pirated copy for 80 hours and when I bought the game I felt like an idiot for not buying it sooner.

In fact, PvP is the only feature that kept DaS1 and DaS2 alive.

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>>170039138
Are you fat shaming him? I'm gonna make a feminist character just to post about it on tumblr.

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>>170039303

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>>170039143

whatever you feel like you can handle after 1-1 senpai. although it's often recommended to do 2-1 after that because there's a crucial blacksmith there.

>>170039143
4-1 is one of the most rewarding if you can deal with it.

Long story short, I accidentally killed Sirris at firelink before I could get the silvercat ring. Could anyone out there on PC drop me a silvercat ring? I would greatly appreciate it.

>>170039149

game is incredibly obtuse about it, and never mentions the word outside of the dark souls 1 intro

the ringed city DLC has dialogue that says that the pygmies found the dark souls at the beginning of the age of fire. plural. this means one of two things:

1. they retconned furtive pygmy, so there are now multiple of him

2. every person is a pygmy and every lord soul is a dark soul.

I like option 2. In this way, the furtive pygmy, having a tiny soul, may have only been the first soul to "go dark" and become hollow when the fire starts to fade, allowing him to claim the "dark lord" title the same way nito claimed the gravelord title by being the first to die.

it would also explain why the pygmy has to sit around and wait for the flame to fade.

I also like the idea that the pygmy feared the dark just like vendrick, manus, wolnir, etc. all did, and may have even founded the way of white and the undead hunts. "Occasionally, a Hollow fools even himself, and turns on his own kind."

>>170017025
While maybe not the sexiest, William Houston is easily one of my favorite Voice Actors in these games.

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Which one?

>>170038946
>I'll never understand why duelfags like imposing no estus,
It's very hard to punish estus spam, especially in Dark Souls 3 where the animation is fast as fuck, which sucks because the host has twice the number of estus you have and also has more hp due to ember form. Healing in duels can be interesting, but it has to be somewhat difficulty to use, like Humanity in Dark Souls 1, which has slow animation, or estus in dark souls 2. Healing being hard to use allows for interesting psychological play instead of just being something that needless prolongs the fight, as is the case in the games where it's almost impossible to really punish healing spam for most builds, like Demon's Souls.

Also, you're ignoring what I said. Grass spam would at least be handleable if not for the combination of factors that exist within Demon's Souls, which are second chance, infinite mana items, infinite healing items and the healing animation being almost impossible to punish for most builds. All the factors just makes for a needlessly long fight, it becomes more of a matter of who will get tired of this methodical shit first.

>why the fuck do you faggots always flip your shit when I don't wait for you to buff or toss a duel charm at you when you do?
I don't complain about that. Invasions are supposed to be about the invader doing everything in its power to kill the host and the opposite also applies. I think that you should wait for phantoms to buff if you were the one who summoned them using signs though

>>170039573
I'll scum you one, go to High Wall bonfire and wait for a red sign, pass dsg.

>>170039660

and in response to why this character would know about secretive lord soul = dark soul information, the DLC takes place at the literal end of time where everything is falling apart and all that is left are the undead. secrets would be laid bare at this point

>>170039143
I hate this kind of question. Play in the order you want, the game gives you freedom of choice for a reason, it wants you to fucking choose.

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>>170039876
Rosaria of course

>>170039953
Ok

>>170039876

The one that has a nose.

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>>170039876

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>Played 90+ hours of this game
>Have 2 SL125 characters and 2 SL80 ones
>PvE is boring past the 5-7th run because there's not many fun builds and the ones that could be interesting (poison, DoT, shields only) are absolutelly fucking shit
>Invasions are more frustrating for the invader than the host, it's either 1v3, a 1v1 that turns into a 1v2 due to blues. 1v1 situations rarely happen. Also you can't really fuck up the host's world like in DaS1 while invading in Sen's funhouse.
>Arena is just absolute trash, people ONLY play duels with the most cancerous meta shit they find online. 2v2 is dead, 3v3 is dead, 4-6man is dead aswell.
>Started a Cathedral K***ht run
>Get bored past Sully because I know it's a waste of time


Do you also feel like this was the most short lived of the saga or do you keep finding new ways to keep the game enjoyable?

Because as it is now, it feels to me like a cashgrabbing bland casual friendly mediocrity.

>>170039143

the goal is to do anything, find your limit and explore everything

>>170040085
I dunno, it's the only game where I constantly do NG+ runs and actually made more than one character.

>>170040085

the only reason I played DaS1 so much was because I could do 1 v 1 themed invasions, like iron golem shit in sen's

DaS2 and 3 both kinda shat all over that, so I don't do pvp

why they don't just

>let you invade someone regardless of level, but automatically scale you

is beyond me

>>170040085
As I already stated in this general, I feel like although Dark Souls 3 is a great game in many aspects, it no doubt has less replay value than any of the other games, which is both due to linearity and the game being more stricter with what kind of builds works and don't compared to the other games.

>>170040224
>but automatically scale you
I can't imagine a sensible way that can be accomplished.

>>170039953
Thank you! Sorry for the accidental smack.

>>170040408

the same way the game automatically scales people you summon via friend shit

just have a specific, separate red eye stone for scaled invasions.

>>170040085
Replaying Dark Souls 3 actually made me look at Dark Souls 2 with different eyes. 3 is better than 2 no doubt, but in terms of replay value 2 shits all over it.

>>170040206
The replayability will always be there, no question but what's the end game?

Usually these kind of games tend to have some sort of goal when making a character, hence the PvP mode.

And yeah, PvE is great in soul games, but depending of the game it gets stale after x runs OR suffers from "post-lordvessel" syndrome as it is the case for me in ds3 at the beggining of the game. The first areas feel really boring and dull.

>>170040373
Indeed, Dark Souls 3 is a masterpiece graphically wise, so is the OST but it lacks the charm and giddy feeling Dark Souls 1 gave me, talking from personal experience.

The replay value diminishes the more runs you do because most builds end with the "why would I play x if I can use y and do the same but better?" dichotomy which leaves many builds out of the question.
Seriously now, they HAVE to fix poison in this game and change the way bleed infusion works.
I trully believe that this game is great but some design choices feel rushed and void of any insightful thinking behind them.

>>170040618
I feel you brother, even if the graphics are those of a N64 I somehow want to play DaS1 again.

Not the PvP of course, I wouldn't touch that shit again even if it was the only souls pvp in existance.

>>170040618
That was always two's biggest strength. In terms of replay value, it's probably the best in the series.

The fact that your entire game path changes based on what build you're planning and what gear specifically you want to use with it made replays extremely robust, especially because they'd obviously put so much effort into making that process as interesting as possible.

I still recall that guide an anon would post here about doing a pure pyro playthrough and getting the dark flame out of the gutter and a branch to free rosabeth without killing any enemies.

>>170039876
>Scas and his fucking foot fetish

Whatever, at least he's a decent artist.

>>170040740

>dark souls 3 OST
>masterpiece

dark souls OST is largely crap in all 3 games. 1 is ok because it's unique and experiments a bit, but most of 2 and 3 are LITERALLY a textbook example of objectively bad music.

shit like fume knight https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ig0G32Ng2lM is borderline ear rape and only sounds decent to you because you had to listen to it for 30 minutes straight. no mentally healthy person would find this on youtube and go "oh yeah this is great music"

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>tfw playing through Eleum Loyce blind

Saved the game for me.

>>170041002
Just wait until you find Horsecock Valley

>>170041063
Already did most of the game. This is the last area before Vendrick and Nashandra for me.