/dsg/ - Demon's/Dark Souls General

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This thread is now blessed by Gravelord Nito and the Pardoners of Velka.

>>169898467
People complaining about Ciaran being human sized, it makes sense as she was an assassin. A 10-20 ft. tall giant wouldn't make a stealthy person.

>>169898556
How is Millwood good, anyways? I know it has absurd damage and stupid good Str scaling, but doesn't its shorter range (especially on a greatbow) cancel this out?

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Anyone have any humorous ds comics? If so dump em with me.

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>>169898467
What's a good pure caster build for DkS2 SotFS?

>>169898821
I don't get it.

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Y'know, I was thinking the demon prince battle link has been in the op for a while now.

You'd think the ds3 community manager would have taken it down by now considering how anal bandai were over even the leaked armour set pics. Is this place really
>secret club
?

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>>169898821
I have some DeS ones

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oh shit what did you do?

>>169899034
They took it down, that one is a reupload

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>>169899073

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>>169898939
On ng+ you're in endgame armour so what might have given you trouble before is smallfry now.
>>169899073
Cheers anon.
>>169899153
>he started with DS2/3

>>169898916
Try again in the next thread anon.

What's the least populated area in DS3?

>>169898902
Am I? Why would it be grasping to assume that old magic added to DaS3 would be unnecessarily terrible like almost all the other old magic added to DaS3? Especially Dark magic.

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champ stahp

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>>169899207

>>169899263
black serpent is fun in 3 though.

>>169899207
That optical illusion still amazes me.

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>>169899374
my favorite

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>>169898916
If you're up for hexers I can help.

30/30
Attunement depends on whether you are gonna use northen ritual band to get more slots. Youll need a decent attunement for cast speed regardless.

Caithas Chime and the staff you get from felkin for free are best iirc for miracles/sorceries respectively.

Depending on which you lean towards, dark orb/resonant soul will be your bread and better. Getting your int or faith higher will allow you to use some more powerful hexes. Affinity and climax respectively.

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>>169898675
The sizes of humanoid bosses in all of the games are exaggerated for effect. Artorias's fight wouldn't change at all if he were human-sized, it's just that people would be less intimidated and maybe underestimate him once they start the fight.

The only ones that wouldn't work with a human-sized boss are Ornstein and Smough (because of Super Ornstein in phase 2), Four Kings (mainly because of the grab attack, but big-sized could be hand-waved away as Abyss corruption), maybe Dragonriders (though they're justified as large because of their lore description), Skeleton Lords (since they split up into smaller skeletons), and Looking Glass Knight (for phantoms to jump through). An argument could also be made that human-sized bosses would actually improve DaS3, given how several bosses (Pontiff, Champ, Homoprinces) can be cheesed with low stances that completely dodge some of their attacks that would otherwise hit if they were level with the player.

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>>169899559
I only like affinity for dark magics. I don't really like dark magic in ds2 because the best ones cost souls and soul memory ruins that

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This is the master one. Needs to be updated when TRC releases.

>>169899908

Dark Orb and the one that casts 8 in a horizontal line are also good though. Personally I used dark weapon with dark orb and that was fun but ymmv.

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>>169899908
Best pair.

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so is Ornstein really dead?

>>169900426
Time is convoluted.

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>>169899807

Is flamberge good without a bleed build? Thinking about using it for my faith build, if I can find one.

DS1>DeS>DS2>DS3

>>169900426
Hopefully he is gone, never to return, and Ringed City leaves it at that. 3 offers just enough vague information to make something potentially interesting out of his character. If he appears again somehow it would be for the worst.

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>>169900682

>>169900426
Possibly.

It seems that the CU killed the Ornstein illusion first and Smough second and got Smough's soul. Ornstein had fucked off to the human world and seems to have made an impact on Drang before finally finding Gwyn's lost son and either dying or becoming a dragonfag.

>>169898603
>non-buffed spotted whip

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>>169900872

>>169900937
>killed Smough and got his soul

then how come Smough survived until DS3?

>>169901032
What makes you think that he did?

>>169901032
>then how come Smough survived until DS3?
What makes you say that?

>>169901130
>>169901131
http://darksouls3.wiki.fextralife.com/Smough's+Set
http://darksouls3.wiki.fextralife.com/Smough's+Great+Hammer

>Twisted great Hammer associated with Smough, the last knight to remain at his post, guarding the ruined cathedral.

>>169901131
Not him but I'm pretty sure an item mentions that he was the last knight to fall in the explicit sacking of Anal Rodeo by Aldrich & co.

>>169901286
Yep, he was the last knight, and you killed him in Dark Souls 1.
What's the issue there?

>>169900945
I miss my poison infused spotted whip and its near instant status procs.

>>169901345
nice save retard

aldrich killed him

Back from not playing since release, having a hard time on aldrich, anyone lend me a hand? Pass is dsg at the anor londo bonfire PC SL 56

>>169901504
Why do you think Aldrich killed Smough?
Where are you taking that information from?

>>169901345
no, you jackass

he was an executioner in DS1. He wanted to be a knight, but couldn't

and now,after shitloads of time he was the last knight stationed in Anor Londo, until he got fucked by Aldrich

>>169901661
But Smough was a knight.
>Great hammer from the soul of executioner
>Smough, who guards the cathedral in the >forsaken city of Anor Londo.
>Smough loved his work, and ground the bones
>of his victims into his own feed, ruining his
>hopes of being ranked with the Four Knights.

He just wasn't one of the Four Knights of Gwyn, which is what he wanted to be.
Again, I'm not seeing how any of this points to him being alive by the time 3 happens or Aldrich being the one who kills him.

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>>169900154
I was looking for a sorcery buuld with maybe some pyro for utility

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>>169901840
>Soul of Executioner
key word being Executioner

his job was executing people. And he loved his work so much it creeped others out.

He wanted to be a knight, but couldn't.

Somehow he became a knight and died defending the palace from Aldrich and his men.

Sure it doesn't say if he was killed by Aldrich, could be Sully for all we know. But its sure as shit known that Smough died before DS3 and after DS1

>>169902142
nice girl (male)

>>169902241
If Ornstein was an illusion, wouldn't that make Smough the last knight in the place? Aldrich had already penetrated and eaten Gwyndolin after getting stuck in Pontiff's Amazing Trap.

>>169902495
what makes you think they weren't both illusions?

>>169902241
Why can you not be a knight and accumulate the position of city executioner at the same time? Ciaran was a knight but also an assassin.

"Smough was an executioner but also a knight" is a much simpler explanation than "Smough somehow survived through the events of Dark Souls I, was granted knighthood, and then was killed by Sulyvahn or Aldrich".

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>>169898821

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r8 me bois

>>169902673
doesn't the DS1 lore mention that everybody hated him and Gwyn did not what him to be his knight?

>>169902846
He disgusted the people of Anor Londo by using the bones of the people he killed as seasoning for his food, and that ruined his chances of being ranked amongst the Four Knights of Gwyn.
See >>169901840

It says nothing about lesser knighthood.

>>169902562
One drops a soul.

>>169901840
>>Smough, who guards the cathedral in the >forsaken city of Anor Londo.

is that the description of his hammer in the first game?

So why does his hammer in the third game state that he was the last knight to defend Londor before it fell?

>>169900707
A bleed build is putting Carthus Rouge on your weapon. You literally do not need any stat investment, just clear Carthus and you're good to go.

>>169902973
>It says nothing about lesser knighthood.

exactly

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>>169903210
Because people have been having the "is Smough a knight" argument for as long as people have been arguing about how to pronounce his name (Smoo) and FROM was trying to clear it up but it just made people act more retarded.

People spamming "DS2 isn't canon" was bad enough, I never thought I'd see the day where dsg said DS1 isn't canon. I'm sure it's the same people who make "Marche was the villain" and other such ironic shitposts.

>>169903210
>So why does his hammer in the third game state that he was the last knight to defend Londor before it fell?
Because the games constantly contradict each other and people trying to make sense out of details of the lore as a whole might as well be trying to understand a schizophrenic speaking a made up language.

>>169903210
>So why does his hammer in the third game state that he was the last knight to defend Londor before it fell?
It doesn't say anything about the fall of Anor Londo. Just that Smough was the last one to guard it.

Which, again, is the exact situation that happens in Dark Soul I if you kill Smough last. He's the last knight guarding the cathedral [all the others are illusions crafted by Gwyndolin, including Ornstein].

>>169903317
Exactly, so as a result 3 adding that he was a knight during his time defending it isn't contradicting anything either, is it?

>>169898467
About a week ago, an anon in here claimed that there were specific points in Darkroot Garden where you could get the "Taken by the abyss" message if you fell to your death.

Can anybody confirm this or post a picture?

>>169903442
>I'm sure it's the same people who make "Marche was the villain" and other such ironic shitposts.
Hello, /ffg/ here.
Don't.

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>>169903594
I wouldn't doubt it, there's some weird interconnectivity between the Abyss and Darkroot/Valley of the Drakes in which sometimes you can find the bodies of enemies you kill in one area down in the Abyss.

>>169903557
Exactly as in there is no information about lesser knighthood

look, I'm just putting the lore together with what ever scraps Fromsoft left. His lore in DS 1 states he was the Royal executioner and a cannibal. In DS 3 his shit states that he was a knight who died defending Anor Londo

him being a lesser knight for Gwyn is mentioned nowhere at all and it sounds more like head canon to me

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>>169899034
what are you refering to?

>>169903856
>you can find the bodies of enemies you kill in one area down in the Abyss.
You mean in the 4 Kings boss arena? I've played thousands of hours of DaS1 and I've never seen that happen.

>>169903938
>His shit states he was a knight
>Him being a knight is mentioned nowhere.
...

>>169902562
That's a good point. I just think that Smough's got little to no ambition beyond becoming a Knight someday, and sticking around Anor Londo would be more up his alley than going on some crazy quest the way Ornstein did. His disregard for Ornstein's body when he smashes it with his hammer could be reflective of his status as the only "real" thing.

>>169903557
Why do people think ornstien was an illusion?

You get his soul when you kill him

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>>169900281

>>169903938
>him being a lesser knight for Gwyn is mentioned nowhere at all

Neither is him not being a knight.

Neither is him being an illusion.

Neither is his death at the hands of anyone other than the CU.

The CU can't get the Lordvessel without killing O&S and taking a soul. DS3 has confirmed that the soul that the CU received from that fight was not Ornstein's.

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>>169903938
>>Exactly as in there is no information about lesser knighthood
Anon, what are these enemies called?

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You can change ONE thing about DaS3, what would it be?

>>169902562
Neither of them were illusions.

>>169904149
>His shit states he was a knight
in DS III
>Him being a knight is mentioned nowhere.
in DS 1

>>169904175
You can also learn from Quelana and kill Gwyndolin in DS1. DS3 has made all of those things non-canon.

>>169904269
Add a damn fragrant ring.

>>169903442
>lucy sucks cock
i like how some things never change

>>169904175
You also get his shit from killing "him" at Cathedral of Blue. And you get his shit yet again at Archdragon Peak, which specifically states that he left Anor Londo to search for the Nameless King.

>>169904269
World connectivity, make it non linear

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>>169900838
Ringed City is actually centered around Dark Souls 2 and tells the fate of what happened to the primordial serpents according to Vaati's early access.

>>169904269
Make it so it costs 2 Estus to summon a phantom.

>>169904269
I change it from being bad to being good.

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>>169904141
Well it's not the most common thing in the world to happen, but it happens.
Look, that's the body of a Darkwraith in the right side of the picture.

>>169904302
So DaSIII confirms he was a knight.

>>169904269
Add either lingering flames, ciaran daggers, or blue orbs

>>169904269

New Game Plus, make it something actually worth playing through besides getting the +1/2 rings and a handful of other weapons/items.

>>169904292
>implying ds1 was canon
>implying it's not just a feverdream while we're lying in the asylum, rotting

>>169904302
>>169904292
>>169904269
>>169904263
>>169904209
>>169904175
>>169904149
>>169904152
>>169904050
>>169903938
>>169903856
>>169903701
>>169903557
You know what? Fuck it, I don't know anymore. Trying to piece together the lore in Dark Souls is like trying glue sand together to make a rock.

how the fuck does Vaati even get views for this shit is beyond me

I'm just gonna go force feed Friede my Pyromancy flame or some shit

>>169904175
The setting has established that souls are detachable to an extent, and can be separated or partitioned from beings who are still living. See Gwyn, Pyromancy Flames, Vendrick and Alsanna.

>>169904269
iframes

>>169904469
>[spioler]Ringed City is actually centered around Dark Souls 2[/spoiler]

[/spoiler]Where did Vaati mention that? I know that we pop into Earthen Peak after it's been knocked over, but I don't think that it's *all* centered around DS2[/spoiler]

>>169904447
No you get items that anyone could have. We don't know how many dragonslayers or dragonslayer spears they were.

You only get his soul once in ds1. The others are just dragonslayer souls

The higher your rank in the Darkmoon covenant the higher your priority for getting summoned

Is this true or a meme?

>>169904741
Yes

>>169904581
>Beat DS1 without dying
>Obtain true ending
>Walk away from the flame as the camera pans out to reveal that Dark Souls was the fever dream of an autistic child staring into a snow globe

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>>169904269
Return to Metroidvania style world design.

>>169904707
Anon, try Ctrl+S

>>169904469
>according to Vaati's

That nigga was super wrong about velka in the 1st dlc.

Stop watching his shit videos

>>169904269
Unique and boss weapons can now be infused or buffed.

>>169904862
Thanks, never actually bothered trying to spoiler tag something before so I figured I would fuck it up.

>>169904469
According to Vaati's info the only DS2 thing in ringed city is a fucking earthen peak and it's mostly exists to give waifufaggot set back, all other content is either DS1 or 3 related and you fight the demon prince in ruins of DS1 firelink.

>>169904597
Kill you are self

>>169901508
could still use a hand if anyone wants to pop on over, dunno why im having such a hard time

>>169904996
I'm pretty sure they didn't let him play the entire fuckin DLC anon.

>>169905069
eh, not until the DLC drops

>>169905147
I'm pretty sure Ringed City has zero ties to DS2 given the description of the banner.
We're going back to Gwyn's dysfunctional family and that's awesome.

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>parry weapon art is now the launching thrust, activates 50 second fire buff for 80 ar, this is applied to both sword and dagger
>class change to from ultra greatsword to greatsword

What happens?

>>169905147
no, they did

even let him make a vid about the first part

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ifhy9pp1pAw

>>169905072
I'll give you a hand in a minute if you still need it Anon

>>169904269
Make it a sequel to DaS2 instead of 1, implementing its superior features except SM

>>169905335
I think anon was saying they only let him play the first part.

>>169904996
>all other content is either DS1

I fucking hope not, DS3 already has way too much DS1 shoehorned in.

>>169905256
OK? It's still autism to think that there's going to be 0 DS2 content other than desert slut because you somehow think Vaati was given all the content.
It isn't going to be focused on DS2 like that other guy was memeing about but you can at least expect Felkin's set. We already have one confirmed unused asset in the DLC.

>>169905263
>get minor fire buff
>lose ugs hyperarmor
>still can get parried
well done

>>169905445
sure, ill hang around the bonfire and wait for you

>>169905469
I'm not the biggest fan of ds2 but I've enjoyed coming back to it. Just last night I learned that I could
>jump attack with my shield

WHY WOULD THEY TAKE THIS SHIT OUT OF ALL THE THINGS DS2 DID WRONG THE CONTROLS GIVEN TO THE PLAYER CHARACTER ARE FUCKING FANTASTIC REEE

>>169905658
Competency not at all guaranteed

>>169905335
I'm not watching a 10 minute Vaati vid so you should probably link to the part where he says they let him play the entire DLC.

What are my stats supposed to be if I run a dex+str build in ds1? Right now I have
20 vit
20 endurance
25 str
31 dex
And the rest are pretty much close to base.
I started as a cleric.

>>169904263
>implying that fatass would fit in that armor

>>169905649
>gain gs speed
>gain hyper armor wa
>keep flippies
I guess really the wa should be a stance to allow parrying though.

>>169905705
Greatshield jumping attacks were really fucking good too, and they had reasonable AR for their weight
Only game where greatshields were truly good

>>169905874
>thinking smough was fat
>on top of missing the point
oh, wow

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>>169905874

so why do you gays hate Vaati so much

is it because he keeps spouting bullshit, or is it because he keeps spouting what you think is bullshit?

>>169904263
Silver Knights

Anon, what makes you think Smough was a silver knight?

>>169905649
The l1 dual combo would still shit hyper armor anon, and it would be faster as a greatsword.

>>169904830
Yes.
>>169905469
No.

What level are you supposed to be when starting NG+ in DS1?

>>169906098
All Dark Souls lore is by design bullshit.
I hate him because he gets paid.

I could get paid to spout bullshit, it's one of the few things I'm really good at.

>>169905860
>I started as a cleric.
lol why?

>>169906386
so whats stoping you?

Vaati gets paid for talking about a subject that is 10% truth 90% horseshit fanfiction

why didn't you do it?

>>169906503
But I didn't look up a guide before starting the game for the first time?

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>replaying SotFS
>decide to do something I can't do in 3
>mfw clearing the game with dragonrider twinblade

>>169906098
Its because he keeps spouting bullshit.

>>169906595
he cornered the market on poncey soft spoken British accents anon.
I might do a 100% completion walkthrough when the DLC comes out though.

>>169906248
I don't think he was necessarily a silver knight.
I think he was a knight, and it's been established there were other knights in Anor Londo than just the Silver Knights

>>169905746
thank you anon, sorry about those terrible mishaps

>>169906248
It says he was a knight.

>>169905860
Can someone tell me what to do?

>>169906098
He spouts bullshit.
He takes credit for other people's bullshit.
He encourages people to give him money for said bullshit.
He's attempting to make a career out of all this bullshit.

>>169906778
And I think he was just a royal executioner turned knight after DS1 who died defending the palace and Gwyndolin from Aldrich and Sully, but failed

Can we just agree to disagree and go back to shitposting?

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>>169906803
Don't worry Anon, we've all been there. It was fun.

>>169906912
>Needing your hand held for a quality build

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>>169904269
Change the estus back to the way it was in 2

Fuck this super fast no risk no tension retard enabling healing

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>>169906978
We absolutely can.
Aldrichfags worst covenant, death of Sulyvahn best day of my life

>>169905860
2handing your weapon multiplies your str by 1.5 and the softcaps are at 40. If you have a weapon with ~equal str and dex scaling, you want to get your str to 27, then your dex to 40 and then, if you want to 1hand your weapon too, get str to 40. but as a first run you shouldn't really bother with stopping leveling. just know that upgrading your weapons/armor is more important

>>169907217
Okay. The requirement for the stone greatsword is 40 str. If I get my str to 27 will I be able to wield it?

>>169907195
Aldrichfagging at SL50 or below is awesome though, you get a bunch of guaranteed action.

>>169907412
yes, provided you also meet any other reqs

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So why was Sully so fleshed out as a character?

other villains barely get anything lore vise

Only other villain I know who got his backstory fleshed even better was The Old Iron King who got a whole DLC for himself

>have tongue
>Leonhard isn't there
What do I do? I'm of of cracked orbs, too.

>>169907745
>So why was Sully so fleshed out as a character?

Tell me his motivations for doing anything he did.
If you can't, he wasn't.

>>169907745
OIK's DLC barely even touched on him at all, all it did was create a location where he got his iron, talk about Alonne a bit and mostly focus on the Child of Dark that tried to subvert him.

Sulyvahn didn't get much fleshing out either, all we know is that he was born in and left the Painted World, discovered the Profaned Flame and used it to his advantage, and led the Church of the Deep in that regard. Gwyn and Vendrick get significantly more fleshing out than him.

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>>169908051
fuck

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>>169904862
hmm

>>169907195
REMOVE ALDRICH remove aldrich
you are worst invader. you are the invader idiot you are the smell. return to cotd. to our cotd deacon cousins you may come our city. you may live in the water reserve….ahahahaha , thorolund we will never forgeve you. cathedral knight rascal FUck but fuck asshole invader stink cotd sqhipere shqipare..invader genocide best day of my life. take a bath of dead invader..ahahahahahCOTD WE WILL GET YOU!! do not forget ds1 .irithyll we kill the pontiff , irithyll return to your precious profaned capitol….hahahahaha idiot invader and deacon smell so bad..wow i can smell it. REMOVE ALDRICH FROM THE PREMISES. you will get caught. LOrdran+THorolund+drangleI=LOTHrIC
darkmoon greattst covnant

>>169901393
Thankfully poison resin buffed spotted whip is a worthy contender in 3

>>169907745
>other villains barely get anything lore vise
Well we got plenty of motivation on Gwyndolin despite Best Boy not being a villain but you get my meaning, Seath, Manus' Cheerleader Squad except for Elana, etc. etc.

>>169907745
>for himself
the DLC was mostly about Raime, his rotting waifu and a bit about Alonne
The king himself was kinda ignored

Sadly, Sully's arc is kinda dropped because his ambitions failed. We'll never see the age of the deep, and what it actually means

>>169906760
>British

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>>169908687
Arty wouldn't fug Ciaran anyways.

>>169908051
Painted World dwellers believe in cycles and natural order, linking the fire is a pointless struggle
Sully took that philosophy to heart and decided to let fire die for good, ushering the age of deep with Aldrich's help

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>>169908051
>Tell me his motivations for doing anything he did.

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>>169908687
>implying that wasn't her fetish

>>169908867

>that bulge

>>169908804
Burning the world away is not the same as not letting any fire exist.

>>169909046
It leads to virtually the same consequences.
Fire destroys painting.
Absence of First Flame does the same to the world outside.

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>>169908051
He wanted to bring about an age of the deep sea and end the fire linking cycle.

We can infer this through his birthplace being the painted world, where their attitude is it's better to let go for the sake of something new than to cling on to the present.

His work linking him everywhere is merely the practicals of achieving his goal.

For instance, the outrider knights are positioned to stop ashen ones from fulfilling their journeys and he himself guards the path to Aldrich.

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>>169908687

I've just thought, is there any indication whether the Furtive Pygmy is male or female?

Why did all the knights have to get ruined by either the games or playerbase?
Artorias is plagued by dumb fanboys both in and out of game, and furries too
Ornstien was dragged through every game for little reason other than just being a reference to a good boss, never actually bothering to explore the character of the dragonslayer
And then then GOATeye Gough and the >woman just get forgotten

>>169909529
>>169908687
stop this discord circlejerk

>>169909594
>never actually bothering to explore the character of the dragonslayer
What are you talking about? 3 was the only game where we got anything vaguely resembling characterization for Ornstein.

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Figured I owed you a favor.

>>169909721
>2017
>not being in the discord for discord exclusive tournaments, FCs, DLC info, and ERP

Redpill me on the Corvian's greatknife

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http://mmdks.com/8jum
Is this a good ng+7 build?

>>169909770
Yeah we learnt he basically went and died to Dragonslayer, maybe I missed something good but I never saw much else, 2 literally just had black ornstien in a church with some unrelated covenant dude

>>169909962
It's a dagger

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>>169909901
>ERP

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>>169909901
>ERP

>>169909901
>ERP
no thanks

>>169909962

>fast
>longest dagger
>decent damage
>fast
>good critical damage
>fast
>benefits from Leo Ring
>fast

Only bad thing about it is the WA. If it was something like Quickstep it'd be a lot better.

>>169910024
People say he's a wannabe Ornstein.

>>169910024
Wew, to nameless I mean

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>>169909901
>ERP
That's 6 years on skull island, fag boy

>>169909962
it's a dagger with range and slightly more damage
blindspot cannot be parried, is pretty fuckin fast, combos into a 2hr1

in comparison to this quickstep is fairly overrated

it's good
for a dagger

>>169909976
What's your goal with it?
Scimitar can be upgraded to falchion, you should get some armor for poise and there's not reason to stop at that SL for NG+7

>>169910024
>>169910178
The dark Ornstein, I mean.

>>169910217
I was sent to skull island for being a straight fag.

>>169910217
shut up cardboard boy

>>169909976
no

http://mmdks.com/8jun

>>169910385
t. fugs + estoc user

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>>169910635
got a problem with my fugs + estoc?
sit on my face.

wow I fucking hate the gravetender fight, anyone wanna come? SL59 PC

>>169910334
Ornstein in Anor Londo was confirmed to be an illusion, and he left his old armor on Archdragon Peak (seeing as how there was no corpse that denotes a dead person always, he didn't die there).

That means either Ornstein is still around out there without armor, or he WAS actually the Old Dragonslayer. Considering Smough path is canon, that makes the Leo Ring still on Ornstein's person, which would make him the Old Dragonslayer because he has the Old Leo Ring on him, whereas evidenced in 3, newer Leo Rings are just well, Leo Rings, meaning it had to be the original, or at least as old as it.

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>>169910635
also occasional greataxe user

>>169904269
remove boss, covenant, and unnecessary bonfires

>>169910024
Well we at the very least know or can reasonably infer this:
>He was tasked with guarding the Anor Londo cathedral but abandoned his post, which shows he grew disillusioned with Gwyndolin's mandate and deserted.
>He was still hung up on the Firstborn's betrayal, who was his mentor if I recall correctly, and went after him, either to seek answers, to join him, or to fight him
>He cast away his armor and weapon, seeing as there's no corpse around where you find them [although I could be mistaken]. That's the kind of action that shows either disillusion with his lot in life, thus he either cast away the symbols that represented his old allegiances and went off to die somewhere, or he became one of the dragon faggots aroudn the peak.

Either way just from the hints you find about him that's already a lot more character than honestly either Artorias or Ciaran get.

>>169910773
>trying to bring ds2 "lore" in discussion
It always ends up being a convoluted clusterfuck with asspulls and fanfiction.
Just stick with 1/3 lore.

>>169910960
all ds lore is asspulls and fanfiction. Why do people keep forgetting that part

Is Demon's Souls dead? How do people do the Old Monk fight now?

>>169910960
The Ringed City makes it canon.

>>169910927
The Dragon Faggots are snakemen, like in Sen's Fortress (honestly lending credence to the theory that Sen is NK).

Ornstein would have to be either the naked rapier guy or the Drakeblood Knight then, as the only kind of dragon a human has been seen becoming is always immensely fucked up

>>169911159
You just fight the AI.

>>169910813
how dare you show my drunk duels?

>>169911116
Lore progression from 1 to 3 is natural.
Trying to connect either of them with 2 is such a pain in the ass you end up in a massive clusterfuck of questions like "why Seath has his own soul" or "What the fuck Gwyn's soul forgot in a middle of bumblefuck nowhere in volcano"?
Really not worth the effort.

>>169910773
>Ornstein in Anor Londo was confirmed to be an illusion
>Confirmed.
...

>>169911345
the natural lore progression from 1 to 3 is because Memezaki put almost nothing but nostalgia and fanservice from 1 to 3.

I just really don't like how he Shafted the B-team

>>169910927
What item descriptions talk about that?
Artorias has cults devoted to him both in and out of game

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>>169911328

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>>169911518
>nothing but nostalgia and fanservice from 1 to 3
Well, now i know how to call Empire Strikes Back.
You drones and your understanding of how sequels work is really retardeded.

>>169911345
>he doesn't understand what soul fragments are when this is a massive plot point in DS1
Being able to craft the MLGS from Ocerios makes less sense than being able to craft it from a fragment of Seathe's soul.

>>169911259
Ornstien is King of the Storm

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>>169910767
>can't beat gravetender

>>169911345
>Why Seath has his own soul
Gwyn gave him it

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>>169911805
>fragment
>Seathe's soul
which he never had like all dragons?

>>169911868
well, a shard of his own soul.

But who is to say Seath didn't have his own soul.

>>169910960
>Just stick with 1/3 lore
You mean the shit vaati and friends had to make up?
Souls games have no lore.
Only fanservice.

>>169911868
Gwyn gave him a fragment of his own soul. It's not Seath's soul (he doesn't have it at all) and it was burned in Lordvessel.

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>>169911751
I will kill you.

>>169911852
>can't beat a guy while a giant wolf with retarded hitboxes jumps on him constantly
yeah sounds about right to me

>>169911345
Seath has a chunk of Lord Soul, and also he's a science dragon who perfected immortality, I don't know why resurrection is suddenly just too far out there.

Besides, he was always said to be different than the rest of the dragons, and not an undying stone monstrosity, he could likely have his own soul.
>>169911841
This is the world's dumbest theory. All the item descriptions for NKs's boss weapons and miracle state that he met the Stormdrake when he betrayed Gwyn and then spent a lifetime of battle with it,

>>169911259
Aren't the snakemen of Sen's Fortress stated as being the result of one of Seath's experiments? I thought that was the case but I honestly cannot quite recall.

Meanwhile the serpent men of Archdragon Peak are the final descendants of the Everlasting Dragons, after evolution screwed them enough.

>>169911539

>Golden lion armor associated with Dragonslayer Ornstein, from the age of gods, and imbued with the strength of lightning.
>In the dragonless age, this knight, who long guarded the ruined cathedral, left the land in search of the nameless king.

>Miracle of those chosen by the Sunlight covenant.
>Temporarily boosts attack and damage absorption for self and those in the vicinity.
>This is the tale of the Sun's firstborn, his faithful first knight, and the brave dragonslayer who served them both.

Also Artorias gets a lot of attention in-universe but you cannot honestly say much about what he was like other than he and Sif were close friends.

>>169912235
>Seath has a chunk of Lord Soul
Which is not his own soul.

>>169911805
>Being able to craft the MLGS from Ocerios
Is absolutely logical because MLGS is an artifact and Oceiros was connected to a cult worshipping Seath.

>>169912235
he can't be resurrected because his skinny gem gets destroyed

>>169912245
There is nearly no lore on the snake men at all, as the only weapon they drop is man-serpent greatsword, which just says they guard Sen's

Although the phrase man-serpent is shared with the Hatchet in 3, making it fairly clear that they're both part of the same man-serpent species

>>169911967
>An albino dragon without scales, granted the title of Duke by Lord Gwyn for his assistance in defeating the Everlasting Dragons and given a fragment of a Lord Soul
Is it really so much of a stretch that the faggot who invented sorcery might know something about manipulating a soul?

>>169912116
>Gwyn gave him a fragment of his own soul.
So its Seath's soul that he got off Gwyn.

>It's not Seath's soul (he doesn't have it at all)

'Soul of the albino Seath the Scaleless.
A fragment of a Lord Soul discovered
at the dawn of the Age of Fire.'

>it was burned in Lordvessel.
It was placed in the Lordvessel. With the other three.

I don't know why you guys bother with the lore

Fromsoft gave us a bare scrap of shit as flavor text. And left us all with our imaginations to fill the blanks.

Problem is, that info gets interpreted in a diffrent way almost every time. Like the 2 anons from before who started shitslinging at each other because they had a diffrent head canon about Smough

Unless Memezaki releases a book of sorts after the last DLC that gives us a connected lore, it will be nothing but Flavor text Fanfiction

>>169903310
Yeah, I got the flamberge and pushed a guys shit in with it and Dorhy's. Good stuff. I'll try playing with rouge.

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is there one of these for dark souls 3?

>>169912330
Yes it is.

>>169912116
A "soul" is the combined total of the souls you have in the first place. Hence why big guys with big souls give more and are bigger in the first place. It's the same as your bloodstain basically.

The Lord Soul Shard IS his soul now because he has it.

>>169912653
This Tbh

>>169912245
True enough, but that's why I was complaining about it, he gets attention, but only in fanboys
Gough deserved better

Why is it called a quality build if weapons that require both dex and str fucking suck

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>>169910445
Didn't know you could go dragon while in another covenant.
>sanctus
I'm losing about 3 hp per second from power within and regenerating 1 hp per second from sanctus.
Rtsr activates at 60 hp. That means I have 30 seconds of power within + rtsr.
Doesn't feel like it's worth the hassle.

>>169911345
>What the fuck Gwyn's soul forgot in a middle of bumblefuck nowhere in volcano
That one's easy.
Wellager tells you that the previous holders of the greatsouls were vanquished by Vendrick when he conquered that land and built his kingdom. The Sinner was locked away and the other 3 ended up buried and forgotten in various corners of Drangleic.

Seath's "soul" in DaS2 is just NG+ extra shit. In reality, Freja is the only boss that doesn't have a great soul to put in your inventory; it's just some esoteric power you absorb, which is compliant to canon.

Your nitpick is on the level of "Why does it say "Lord of Cinder Fallen" if Lothric never linked the fire?"

>>169904269
fucking
>>169904673
this. I'm fine with rolls having insanely fast recovery, just reduce the iframes down to dks 1 fatroll iframes so you actually have to time your rolls instead of just mashing circle the moment you see an enemy swing and have a guaranteed dodge.

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>>169912653
We all know the shit is there because the MLGS needs to be in every Souls game.
I'm just saying it doesn't rustle my jimmies to think that the fucker WHO INVENTED SORCERY could fragment a soul we already fucking know is a fragment.

>>169912468
Meanwhile apparently "sensible lore" logic dictates that worshipping Seathe/studying his magic is all it takes to get a soul worthy of the MLGS, so I mean at this point Benhart's bluemoon greatsword is both the better and rarer weapon.

>>169908867
>>169908969
owo, what's this?

>>169913232
>Meanwhile apparently "sensible lore" logic dictates that worshipping Seathe/studying his magic is all it takes to get a soul worthy of the MLGS

Also going batshit insane and turning yourself into a crystal dragon, that's the important part.

>invade into a world where there's already a darkmoon
>kill him

I sometimes feel bad about this, especially when the host stands aside to let him fight me 1 on 1.

>>169904269
Make better bonfire placement

>>169913486
Well you do get a special tongue for it.

>>169912653
This is hardly something unique to Souls fandom.
We Megaman fags, for example, have been filling thread after thread with this sort of pointless worldbuilding and lorecrafting for years.

It's a franchise about goddamn robots themed after animals and random power tools, and in one case WOOD and SHEEP, who fight each other constantly in a setting where having a doctorate gives you a pretty fair shot at conquering the world, and yet we commonly have threads autosaging with rabid discussion about wether or not the Sigma Virus is a derivate of Evil Energy and wether or not the final boss of a goddamn NES game is a conceptual ancestral of Mega Man X.

It's just an interesting side activity to soothe the fanbase's autism which you can feel free to ignore if you want. People who see blanks are more often than not naturally inclined to want to fill them.

>>169913187
Seath's soul isn't extra shit. It's probably one of the more important plot elements actually, as the Writhing Ruin (what Seathe's soul is referred to as) was continuing his experiments and creating shit like the Manscorpions, also taking control of the Duke to unearth everything below Brightstone Cove, and later taking over Freja too, implying that he can...

1)Transfer his soul between beings
2)Retain memories dating back to his Lordran experiments
3)Constantly resurrect while being able to do all that

2's lore makes him by far the most powerful creature in Souls.

Just how big was Havel anyway

What about Tarkus?

who would win a 1v1, Prime Havel or Tarkus?

>>169910151
the WA is actually its second best move(after R1)
The running attack and all others are so shit that WA will be your only choice if you need to mix up some moves

>>169913161
>he doesn't know
sanctus+pw+duck crown builds are always cursed.

>>169913979

I was actually reading some other posts about the WA and I found out that it can't actually be parried, so I can see why someone would value that over Quickstep.

>>169912330
it is his soul as much as ornstein's soul is his

>>169913860
Old Paledrake soul is literally extra shit from NG+

And its referred to as the Old Paledrake Soul.

>>169913860
>as the Writhing Ruin (what Seathe's soul is referred to as
I don't think the Writhing Ruin was ever mentioned as being Seath's soul. You can make the case that it is, but you can just as easily make the case that it's Seath's consciousness preserved through different magical means.

>>169913860
Except that consciousness of his isn't a soul.
Dragons don't normally have souls, this is a plot-point in DaS1 that kind of got lost with time. They had their tailcuts in place of boss souls so that players could still get weapons from them, but they don't have souls because souls are tied to the flame and the dragons predate flame.

DaS2 contravened this in 3 places: with the Ancient Dragon's Soul, Old Paledrake Soul and Soul of Sinh, though in Seath's case it's just NG+ extra shit since the power controlling the Ruin is that red thing on ground that you pick up, and that's clearly the remnant of Seath's consciousness.

Sinh and the AD soul are just plain oversights, though. It's clear they weren't concerned enough with canon to circumvent DaS2's rigidly systematized gameplay mechanics.

DaS3 has thus far preserved the idea of dragons not having souls, but only insomuch as it has utterly lacked any living dragon to offer a soul and has not involved dragons in any way directly enough for the question to be relevant. Maybe the DLC will show something conclusive about this

>>169913845
>final boss ancestor of Mega Man X

Who is this? I don't remember.

>enter DaS2 arena
>every player uses a unique build
I only saw two cookie-cutter WP faggots in like 30 duels, the others were interesting as fuck
Hell, I was killed by a fucking sanctum shield

>>169913161
power within's HP drain is a % of your max HP
at 300 HP or below, you do not lose any HP or gain any

i think you might have to be cursed though

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>>169913932
Havel was normal sized, just stupidly strong if DaS1 is anything to go by.

Tarkus is the size of a Berenike, just with better armor.

Prime Havel would have probably won since it's implied he was on par with the gods in terms of strength and skill.

>>169911969
the intro

>>169914530
Gamma, final boss of Mega Man III, if I recall correctly.

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>try carthus curved sword for the first time
>mfw i'm actually having fun with it

>>169914560

>sanctum shield

I genuinely miss that thing. I'm hoping we get something similar from TRC.

>>169914979
It's a great fucking weapon, I used it in my first playthrough before it became meta, had a towel headed guy. Good sword, just because people bitch and complain about doesn't mean it's bad, it's just easy to cheese.

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>>169914567
At 150~ hp power within takes 3 hp per 2 seconds and sanctus heals for 2 hp per 2 seconds.
Looks like I'll just heal myself out of rtsr.

>>169914476
To be fair, maybe this wasn't the case in the original release of Dark Souls 2, but the Ancient Dragon is not really a dragon.

The Ancient Dragon Soul you get in the Dragon Memories though, is the most lorebreaking thing I have seen in this franchise so far, referencing something completely different to the circumstances you find it in, and the placement and nature of the item itself is another ball of yarn all by itself. It's the only case in the franchise where I just actively disregard an item descriptions.

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>>169898467
How far is everyone in there RtD play through?

>>169915096
I just never tried any curved swords at all before. If the reason why people bitch about it is how easy it is to spam r1 then why don't they just parry it?

>>169914314
>>169914476
Okay, okay fair.

Whether it's a soul or not, 2 makes it clear that he's at least some kind of fucky magic ghost thing that can control people and creatures.

Although regarding dragons and souls, NK's dragon is explicitly stated to have a soul that NK absorbed when it died in the item description for Storm CS, so who knows

>>169915249
Parrying is not an efficient or reliable answer to a strong and spammable R1

>>169915205
Just finished Dragon Shrine, about to delve into Shulva

>>169915106
you can't lose 1.5 hp. it gets rounded. and since you are lower than 150 hp, 1% of that is less than 1.5, which means it gets rounded down to 1 per sec

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>>169915342
>parrying
>unefficient against an r1 spamming mongo with the CCS

>>169915284
I think at this point the games just keep the original plot point of true Everlasting Dragons not having souls, but has conceded that their distant ancestors do have them, to accomodate situations like the King of Storms and Sinh.

>>169915172
shame it lost healing qualities

>>169915249
It has longer reach than other CS I think, with Carthus Rouge it has great bleed potential and if I remember right, refined it does very good damage for a weapon with bleed.

>>169915550
Yes, that's exactly what I said.
The CCS wouldn't have been top-tier for 11 consecutive months and then nerfed if "lol just parry it bro" was an answer

>>169915205
I got to Sinner.

I'd wanted to get to Mirror knight and help mirror knight out. But so far the game seems as dead as usual, I've only encountered 1 other person.

It might just be soul memory separation though.

>>169915761
My game is lively as fuck with phantoms and invasions.

>>169915716
Not that anon but in the past the buckler is a pretty efficient way to counter it in my experience

Maybe latency has something to do with how some people struggle with the weapon's hitbox and its parry window, I guess.

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>>169915342
>Parrying is not an efficient or reliable answer to a strong and spammable R1

>>169915205
I made it to Drangleic Castle and got bored.

>>169915205
I'm at Demon of Song trying to get summoned but no one seems to be online

PS4/SOTFS/SM 1.2M

been wearing agape for awhile but i think my sm is too high

You don't r1 spam with the CCS
You wait, and use its stupidly fast 2hr1 to punish startup or recovery, then rollcatch them, then you win
Parrying it is a joke because you don't just 2hr1 the second you get in range
Parrying in general is a joke since you can prediction backstab, especially idiots with a buckler out

>>169915284
>>169915554
>Be dragon
>Don't have a soul
>Go get one off some dude
>Now have soul
>Trigger autists.

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I got a 2-handed no shield build and I'm torn between which two rings to use between: RoFap, Havels and DWG

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>when you fight someone as skilled as you

>>169916125
i'm down to co-op any of the DLCs if anyone else is at this SM/platform

>>169916294
>implying anyone is as skilled as I am

>>169915172
holy shit what

what does this even mean for the context of DS3?

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>>169916550
That the Way of White likes to bless their shields with magical fire.

>>169916237
reeee someone answer me reeee

>invade High Wall
>SL9, no upgrades
>bleeding sun in the sky
ebin

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>>169916737
Look at the frames it grants you and decide yourself, fagtron

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>>169916915
its tempting

i dont fucking know

im thinking of not using it since ill probably develop bad habits that wont have carry over to DaS2 and DaS3

hlep

>>169917095
If you're worried about consistency, then you probably shouldn't use it.

It's not like you NEED the extra frames.

>>169915554
sinh's soul is weird. the item it makes is not descriptive of sinh, it's descriptive of yorgh. it might be what that anon had suggested, that dragons can somehow absorb the souls of their victims

>>169916237

It's so good you'll feel bad for using it.

what happens if the durability of a weapon runs out in ds1?

>>169917229
i guess i wont then

i got a str/dex build, was claymore + shield but now made the transition to 2handing without shield after hearing how much fun it is and havent really had a problem

im thinking ill just use havel + rofap and kick ass looking cool and shiet.

>>169917368
im going to play a bit without it and then ill see if it really made a difference i guess

>>169898467
So I'm playing Dark Souls 3 for the first time and I experienced some fucking retarded shit.

Basically, I made peace with the piece of shit giant, died to moldy tree 3 times and now the fucking giant retard shoots his arrows at me.

fucking cherry on top is the bullshit tracking missile bullshit it does on you . WHAT THE FUCK am I supposed to do?

Is Carthus Bloodring best used under 30% carry weight?

>>169917923
SOMEONE FUCKING HELP ME GOD DAMN IT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

WHAT AM I GONNA DO NOW REEEEEEE

>>169917923
Did you use the White Branch he gives you?
I'm not quire sure but I think that might break the piece.

>what am I supposed to do?
You're just asking for it now aren't you?

>>169917923
>>169918057

>using the piece of wood he gave you

You literally took his token of friendship and crushed it with your bare hands. I'd shoot you, too, if I were him.

>>169918124
eh, I have 3 branches on me.

The guy literally only started shooting me after my 3rd death to moldy tree boss.

Thanks for the reply m8

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>DS3's parrying dagger has a block instead of a stab in the left hand and has no parry in the right hand

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>>169916378
kek

>>169918215
So the other 3 branches don't work? I have to take the long way to the church now? fuck...

Also, he never shot me when I used the branch. only after I died... weird.

>>169918221
Only the one individual branch guarantees that he won't fire at you. The one whose description reads "good friend, no hit"

>>169918268
>has a block instead of a stab in the left hand
So it's a shitty buckler?

>>169898467
>scriped invasion right after you aggro samurais in fire castle

>Anothet scripted invasion in the same place

Bravo from