/rlg/ - Roguelike General

how about FoCK MiNe HoMo KoCK

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>>169872630
there's probably a few dozen words that could be formed with the DCSS combo abbreviations

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>>169873292
Unfortunate
No worse feel in dcss really

>>169873554
FAULT

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>>169872704

>>169873292
im glad benemut was removed

>>169873554
People still play rlgrobin?

>>169873747
I do on lantea, it still has my SpEn i started weeks ago..

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>>169873747
I might give him a spin on berotato, now that you mention it. What race/class should I go

>>169873821
frog something

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>>169873891
oh, there's a HO of trog on right now, I'll see if I can wrap up that 3 runes quickly

How much new content is in the paid version of Caves of Qud compared to the free one?
I've only played a little of it but the theme is killer.

What do I do if webtiles is only showing a black screen except for player stats HP MP etc. on the upper right, minimap and player log?

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>>169876043
I have no idea

Berotato rlgrobin has 2 runes, some sick jewelry, a +9 vampiric demon trident, and gauntlets of war. Logging off for the next rlg anon.

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>Crawl devs make a ""unique"" gimmicky X
>remove classic X for being "bloat" or for not being "interesting enough"
You can replace X with whatever you want -- monster, race, background, item -- and you'll find examples of this happening.

>>169878846

>unironically taking the devil's lipservice seriously

They have no reason to remove literally anything from the start.

>>169880421
why would you ever polymorph self

>>169880559
I think I got polymorphed by hell effect or miscast or contam, definitely did not purposefully polymorph myself

Did PCB-R remove all the world options and stuff??

guise, is half beast mc: owh only?

mc: owh is available on pc, isn't it?

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Wait what

>>169880421

>33 ?tele
>22 ?recharging
>/tele

This is the reason why /tele and the other no-brainer wands needed to be removed

>>169880998

It's on pc

>>169881265
How about just reducing recharge spawn rate?

>>169881376
How about removing ?recharging, spawning wands with their full charges and leaving recharge entirely to pakellas

>>169881265
Idk how to beat silence-casting panlord zig levels without /tele and the disk.

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>>169880421
You're too terrified to move while being watched!

>>169881468
removing wands of tele will make enemies that know silence considerably more dangerous. Not necessarily a bad thing, but an important thing to note

>>169881376

The amount wasn't the issue at all. The issue was that you have a consumable that gives effect 1+has a separate spawn rate AND another separate feature+separate spawn rate that gives the same effect 1. That's stupid and unnecessary given how much ?teles you already get per game. Spawn rate of ?teles were buffed as compensation but the point here is that the screenshot had an unbuffed spawn rate and yet he already has 33 (thirty-three). Even getting a surplus of 20 is already too much, this means that the ?tele spawn rate buff was completely unnecessary.

is PCB as insanely complex as the pasta makes it seem to be

>>169881879
There are important differences in how they function though. Reading tele is affected by one mutation, and zapping tele is affected by a different one. Zapping tele also cannot be silenced. So removing wand of tele would not just be bloat removal, but a significant addition to danger.

>Mennas
>Ereshkigal
>Random Pan Lords
>Silent Specters
>Random monsters reading Silence Scroll


Also they have already removed the most plentiful source of tele, the evocable ring. As much teleporting as you can eat for. If you were undead or know lich form, then infinite teleporting. So, they have already moved the number of teleports you can have from infinite to finite. That means they have already infinitely nerfed teleport. That means leave tele alone!

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Lads

>>169882162
it's very long, needs a ton of resistances, and mobs capable to two-shot you while you need multiple turns to kill them are common

it has a lot of stuff too, yes

>>169878846

Can't say I disagree with most of their cuts.

Mountain Dwarf - redundant
Sludge Elf - redundant
High Elf - questionable

Stalker - was shitty thematically, now they just need to remove potions of draining and excise the last dregs
All them Zealots - good riddance. Should get rid of Berserkers and Chaos Knights as well.

Replace Fireball with Iceblast - non change
Remove wand of magic dart - redundant with flame
Remove cold/fire/draining - why do we need every elemental damage type for bolt wands?
Remove invis/haste/hw/tp - good, they were unnecessary crutches.
Remove slowing - redundant with confusion, they serve the same purpose

Revamp evocables - Rods were stupid strong if you found them early. New evocables are much more balanced and less spammy.

Remove badpots - they just need to get rid of the last one. badpots were a bad idea and they only stuck around as long as they did because of Stalker

Almalgamated enchant weapon scrolls, removed curse item scrolls - enchant failure was stupid, curse item scrolls were largely meaningless. They should get rid of random uselessness as well.

remove racial weapons - again mostly meaningless flavour that rarely affected weapon choice.

removed spiked flails, ankus, and a couple redundant weapons. replaced random weapon names with slightly different numbers with genuine weapon type variation. sound good to me

What great sin have the devs actually committed? The game is more challenging, takes less, time, is more streamlined, has more real variation in weapons/spells, and is no less fair than it was in the past.

>>169882264

>Zapping tele also cannot be silenced

That's scummy since it trivializes a supposed to be threatening debuff. Now is a good time to use your brains instead of stupidly relying on no-brainers.

>>169883726
t. crawl dev

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Whats the generally accepted options

>>169883726
> -cTele removed from tomb, elf 3, bottom of hell branches
>no more item destruction
>no more queasiness from chunks

I'd say that the older game was tougher. Although, speaking of item destruction, I think that was one a thing that made wands of hw/tele/haste very valuable, that they were indestructable. Now that there's no item destruction, there is less reason for them to exist.

Another thought is that if they thought haste was too powerful (which it was) and they took out the spell, then they should just take out the charms school. What charms spell would someone want past XL10?

>>169884201
regen

Does anyone have the new Alpha 14 Cogmind? Want to test the new difficulties. pls.

>>169883968
the ones that I play with that are different from the defaults you show there are:
easy_id, easy_lore, ironman_quests, half_fixedarts, and turn off enable_virtues

However, half_fixedarts is more for when you've already seen and gotten sick of the standard artifacts. Virtues are flavorful and cute but really message spammy, which is why most turn them off. No_wilderness is good for a pure dungeon divey game but personally I like multiple dungeons and having an overworld, even if in the long run the game takes longer.

>>169884201
-ctele was removed because control teleport itself is gone

>>169883761
Using your brains = cheesy scummy playing. Scummy playing is not the same as no-brain playing, often it is the opposite. Teleporting in a bad situation is a no-brainer choice, but keeping a pet shadow imp from D5 to the end of Lair in order to grind animated corpses for TSO piety is not a no-brainer choice. Sadly, the devs took that away, shadow imps don't know animate corpse anymore. Keeping a pet adder through lair so that you can bottleneck a hydra behind it and keep the hydra raging in conjured flame while that poop adder bites at you was fun too, but the devs took that away when they made non-similar monsters able to swap places. Lots of summons shenanigans went out the window too.

Now the only way to play is brainlessly. Less and less shenanigans, just straight fights where your stats either match up or they don't.

>>169884385
There are still scrolls of blink and the spell cblink, which are overpowered as heck now in those areas.

>>169884785
-ctele was never meant to nerf cBlink, it was just collateral damage
It's job was always to prevent rune stealing with 2 teleports

>>169884903
What's wrong with stealing a rune in 2 teleports? With -cTele and other game factors considered, there were really only 2 runes that cTele was worth using to steal, the Lair runes.

>Tomb, 4 Hells, Slime, Abyss
all had -cTele
>5 Pan runes
Mostly worked, you didn't have to face the unique pan lords, but you still had to slog through for the demonic(s), and you weren't granted an instant exit
>Vaults
even with magic mapping, rune could be in 4-12 places depending on configuration
>Lair Branches
If you were lucky enough to have disposable teleport and a ring of cTele by then, why shouldn't you be able to use them to steal a rune? Why can't my gameplay choices in some instances be very largely affected by equipment drops? Why can't a MuNe of Kiku have a piss easy time in Tomb, why did they have to add so much holy shit? Why can't some parts of the game be really easy for certain combos and other parts be really hard?

What exactly is the vision that the devs are trying to exact into reality?

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>>169885736
>What exactly is the vision that the devs are trying to exact into reality?

>>169885736
they want it to be a bad version of Sil

>>169880840
Huh what?
What do you mean, I haven't removed such things, intentionally at least.

Considering everyone hates crawl so much in these threads you guys sure love to talk about nothing but it

>>169887925
Its hard to stop suckin' that D

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>>169887925
Its more of hating the devs than hating the game

>>169888320
Context for that image: a deep elf stopped to eat some chunks, then a deep elf archer showed up and killed him before he finished, because back then eating didn't allow you to stop in the middle, and it also took like 6 turns.

>>169891125
also no gourmand

and interrupted by werewolves

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>>169891125
And raw flesh tasted TERRIBLE.

>>169888320
don't hate the playa hate the developa

>>169892942
>108hp

>>169884602
eh the pet shadow imp piety farming specifically is definitely a no brainer once you figure it out or hear about it, in that it's just easier and better than not doing it. Cute trick that's neat to learn about? Absolutely. But once you know about it, there's no reason to not use it for every character able to benefit from it which in turn warps game play and balance.

>open the door
>splat on the floor
>what the fuck's a cyclops doing on D:4

Hey guys, I'm playing an orc of Ru, mostly because I didn't realize he didn't use invocations, and now I've cleared all of the dungeon except the tomb and also got the abyssal rune.

Just how dangerous is the tomb these days, anyway? Will I need rN+++?

>>169897625
Tomb is an utter shitfest now that you get pretty much perma slowed, perma poisoned and triple tormented every turn

>>169897975
Guess I'll grab the orb with just 5 runes then, thanks.

What's the suggested weapon for a FoFi? Axes or Long Blades? I'm sorta worried about Hydras

>>169897625
>Just how dangerous is the tomb these days, anyway? Will I need rN+++?

It's pretty dangerous, yeah. Maybe less so since it's the only(?) extended branch where you can stairdance, but it still has dangerous moments.

If you can't quickly deal out a ton of damage to a wide range of enemies (via summons, AoE spells, invocations, or otherwise) then the difficulty ramps up pretty considerably. But, again, you can stairdance the most dangerous areas -- the first entrance to Tomb:2, the second entrance to Tomb:1, and the entrance to Tomb:3.

>>169898247
Block goes before dodge
Which means you cant riposte on a block

>>169898626
Maces in that case? Or do I just stick with an exec axe? The whole axe thing looks appealing but at the same time if you're not using killholes then wtf are you doing.

>>169898896
Maces crosstrain with Axes, so Axes are still good to use as main weapons. And Axes are great for dealing with popcorn.

But with 0 aptitude for both Axes and M&F, you might be better off with Maces, since they require less skill to get to mindelay.

>>169898626
why was someone saying that if you're going with a shield you should always get long blade

General /rlg/ misconceptions or what

>>169885736
>>Tomb, 4 Hells, Slime, Abyss
>all had -cTele
yes that's the point anon
the REASON they have -ctele
is to stop people from ninjaing the rune with 2 teleports

>>169898247
hydras are speed 10 anon

>>169900153
>walk around corner
>hydra right there
>its now sticking to you forever

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>>169899803
>General /rlg/ misconceptions or what
Probably

>>169896541
Good post

>>169899803
they were probably talking about notants
1h axes are shit so it's down to longblades or maces
and maces don't have a meme gimmick so some anons have irrational hatred for them

Jesus fucking Christ, wanted to play Cataclysm DDA after a long time and they changed half the game. Are the devs always this autistic, or is it just Granade?

Which mods do you use in DDA?

>>169901115
generic guns

>you slice the ogre like an onion!!!
>you cut Sojobo open like a turkey!!
There's no way these are coincidental.

Also why is Sojobo a girl now?
One more waifu for me I guess.

>>169899803
Mostlikely talking about Fo, but arent axes the best wep for them anyway?

>>169901115
Most of the "more bloat" ones.

>>169901285
Depends on 3rune or 15rune
Maces are insane for 3rune since you can pretty much always fight in a killhole for 1v1

>>169901169
imagine if the game actually showed you how much damage you dealt and the calculations it used

instead the debiloids in charge make you deal choko damage )))) huilo

>>169901115

Eh, the ones that already are "integrated" in the main branch

>>169882162
not really. Mechanically it's about the same as *bands but has much more content. IF you've ever played any *bands it's not complex at all and you'll be able to clear stronghold within your first few characters.

it is significantly harder than vanilla angband though because of shit like failrates on wands/scrolls, resistable -teleportother, etc

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Against the advice given to me I actually decided I was strong enough to do Tomb because I'm a stupid motherfucker.

You guys weren't kidding about torment and stair dancing, nearly died twice.
Not bad for a character I only play on the bus.

>>169905901
it looks like your tiles are slightly too small for that font, they are getting cut off on the bottom and right edges

no idea how to change that in dcss though, much less on mobile

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4 consecutive misses with lightning bolt

holy fucking shit why did I decide to play AE

>>169883968
Yes to easy lore, yes to easy ID, otherwise good to go

>>169906038
For some reason the internal folder is hidden from BotnetOS' browser.
I should connect it to my PC later to see if I can unhide it.

After grinding in the abyss to recover my stats I'm now going to attempt to escape with the orb, wish me luck!

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Nodens, Lord of Shit couldn't handle 180 power confusing lights either. And it's not like he didn't try, with the whole "summon the unicorn and Bahamut on sight" tactic.

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what rouge like lets me play as a paladin who fucks birds

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>>169909796
Welp, that was easier than I expected.
My first win on a fucking touchscreen, Ru is fun as fuck.

clarification requested

((first win) on a touch screen)
or (first (win on a touch screen))

>>169910869
Latter. I wouldn't have risked more than 3 runes if it were my first game to get those.

Though in my second win ever I also had managed clear the tomb just fine. Too bad I splatted to cerebov.

>>169911880
>second win
Jesus Christ, I've convinced myself too hard that I would have ascended anyway after splatting.
That wasn't a win, don't mind my wording.

retard noob who needs help here:

>does amulet of regeneration start working ASAP after having full health or how long does it take?
>when playing a race with low dex compared to str (minotaur for example), is it worth to invest in dex?

Even from my PC I can't find the com.crawlmb folder.

Weird, no dumping my character's morgue to ask for feedback I guess.
And since that means no init file to edit: pound sign walls forever!

>>169913390
Amulet of regen starts working as soon as you hit full hp.
Yes races like minotaur or troll like to level dex. They already have more than enough strength from starting stats + natural stat gain

>>169913840
thanks anon, didn't really expect a friendly answer

>>169913390
Regeneration is always increasing your health gained over time BUT the effect only kicks in some turns after equipping the amulet, so you can't juggle amulets midfight for regeneration. Same effect for the mana regeneration and gourmand amulets.

From my experience you're better off dumping everything on STR to mitigate armor encumbrance on a tabber and relying on skills and echantment levels for accuracy and evasion.

>>169913390
What >>169913840 said.
Raising Str on levelups is only useful (arguably) if you somehow happen to find early gold dragon scales or crystal plate armor - you know, the heaviest stuff. Minotaurs and other melee-oriented races should generally go for Dex on levelups.

how do you play OWH adventurers? i keep getting fucked up by harpies, esp on deserts where I can't outrun them even with Dash

>>169914169
>>169913840
Be aware that dex starts to fall off after 18 and falls off harder after 21. After 18 dex you should just level str.

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>find an amazing randart executioner's axe on d:10
>clear out D:11 like a fucking breeze
>spawn in the middle of a cucklops fuckfest in d:12, get bombarded, manage to kill everyone via stairdancing
>go down again
>Rupert shouts!
>crushing eveningstar
>confused
>tumble down stairs four (4) fucking times like a retard while rupert closes in and mashes my face in

FAULT

>>169915973
Should've just gone to Lair or Orc

>>169884201

Item destruction vs. the vastly reduced exp and much more difficult mid game(7 levels lopped off depths/dungeon, 2 off Lair, 3 off Orc, 3 off Vaults).

Plus the Lair rune branches are harder than ever with the addition of Shock Serpents to Snake and the addition of Shoals and Spider.

Tomb being easier isn't really a big deal, people still skip Elf 3 in most 3 rune games, and while Gehenna and Cocytus are probably easier(though Shard Shrikes in Cocytus are murder), Tartarus is now probably harder than ever with Shadow Fiends being buffed and the addition of Doom Hounds.

But personally I think the extended game is still pretty sucky. Hells are interesting but ultimately most of the challenge is just Torment. Pan is mostly boredom outside dealing with Cerebov/Gloorx(I suppose Mnoleg isn't boring so much as completely fucking infuriating).

>>169916106
finished lair, was gonna go to orc but i didn't find it

also is it me or is dungeon 10:15 the biggest wildcard in the game in terms of weird crap it throws at you

How much of a weeb I have to be to get into Elona?

>>169916885
You don't have to be a weeb, you just have to fetishize grinding.

>>169910051
>confusing lights
is it a new device?

>>169918418
>new
it's been in forever
it was nerfed just recently too because it was really strong

i told you /rlg/
i told you nodens didn't resist stunning
everyone laughed at me and said getting _confusinglights to stick on him would be impossible

does anyone have that vampire stabber with full health dying in shoals

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>>169919317

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retard noob here, should I attempt Elven Halls yet?

troll
don't give him a (You)

>>169920368
>amulet of regeneration PLUS troghand
with all this scumbloat youre basically invincible, you should go dive pan first

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oh well, didn't get to enter elven halls

>>169920368
You should be attempting Lair. Your defenses are far too shit for Elf

Change that broad axe for a battle axe if you've found one

>>169920804
Orc is far more dangerous than it was on older versions because it got cut down to 2 levels and the spawn rate of knights/high priests/sorcerers was boosted through the roof. Crawl devs love making things tedious

>>169916834
>also is it me or is dungeon 10:15 the biggest wildcard in the game in terms of weird crap it throws at you

It's not just you.

I've had strings of faults due to weird Dungeon encounters in those later floors. There's just a huge variety of things that can appear there that it's difficult to prepare.

>>169920038
nice

but where's the vampire

>>169920038
>flashbacks of lom lobon drowning

And then there were people who bitched at the whole drain over water not punishing bad players for bad positioning

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>>169919317
>vampire stabber with full health dying in shoals
That's me!

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We GWOP owners now.

Unfortunately it has absolutely repulsive, unquestionably horrific, indomitably reprehensible, horrendously yucky 15 base speed. So it's kirin for me.

>>169924234
Can you ride the babble non-unique?

>>169924480
Not as far as I can see, since it's not suitable for riding. Probably couldn't capture it with a capture ball either.

>>169924480
>can you ride the invulnerable speed 80 monster that spams mana storms and psycho spears like candy on christmas morning?
Somehow, I don't think that's possible.

>>169925637
it's not nearly as invulnerable as it's supposed to be
I got a babble on Ang:99 once from summon monsters and tried to set him against the serpent in an ultimate battle of destiny. Serpent was still full hp when the lil' grey j died.

>>169925605
>it's not suitable for riding
That's an easy codefix.
>Probably couldn't capture it with a capture ball either.
I remember anon's Q spamming summon monster in the druj quest and getting a friendly babble.
Does your mount take 100% of the damage a monster does to you?

>>169925758
>PoorlittlegreyJ.png
How did it even manage that?

>>169925834
no, things randomly decide whether to target mount or rider
if everything always targeted mount no matter what you could just ride a perma-invincible archon and win

>>169926005
i have no clue actually
i didn't want to be anywhere near the Serpent so I was on the other side of a wall

>>169926005
Probably got crushed by an earthquake.

>>169924234
>can't equip your mount with speedrings

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wew lad

>>169920038
Lamo at the wallpaper behind the broccolee image
You can recognize that color scheme anywhere.

>>169926995
what is it

>>169926995
I don't get it.
Green and purple?

>>169926982
Actually, I like faulty engines.

>>169926723
you can totally do that, as long as YOU are the speedring

>>169927135
>>169927235
Mayhem, from Renard.
Furry shark character that inspired the old sharktits meme on /v/

>>169927443
>from Renard
oh god, the furry who made intense care unit?

>>169927248
Yes, but at what cost, anon?
At what cost?
Also, can you control the babble as a ring?

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Maybe this will be THE ONE

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>>169928721
you can only control things that actually wear rings
how many fingers do you see here

>>169928864
stop playing the easy combo and play mumo you sack of cinnamon

>>169927734
I have no idea what you're talking about, anon I don't follow that sort of stuff.
All I know about him were some of his old songs, the music he made for Crab Nicholson's Extreme Sleepover and that hilarious trailer for his boring shmup with Jon St. Jon saying "HOT SHARK BABES". That's the VA of Duke Nukem.

>>169928864
how many spells are in that there rod

>>169929489
Radiance pcloud parrow.

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>play OgBe
>gold dragon scales on D:8

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Is nu-muck better than old-muck?

>>169883726
this tbqh

I've been playing since 0.9 and the only removal I miss is Stalkers and Nemelex using Evo instead of Invo

The devil's team has done a great job keeping this clunky roguelike interesting despite all the huge fundamental flaws built in at the core

>a Rune Sword (0d8) (-1,-5)
You're just doing this to fuck with me at this point.

>>169930639
nohaste mu is not better than anything

>>169883726
>Revamp evocables - Rods were stupid strong if you found them early. New evocables are much more balanced and less spammy.
But they also push evoc hard into a shitty support role instead of actual game winners like rods and old SoS and BoB were

>>169931282

That was kind of the problem though. The entire playstyle was based around randomly finding one of three rods(cloud/swarm/shadow) that could carry you through the game. You couldn't plan for it, but if you ended up getting one you basically won.

The only remaining "you win the game" item you can find early on is boots of running.

Replacing Rod of Clouds with Wand of Clouds was a great design decision. It still kicks ass. But now its a strategic resource instead of a "start every big fight with an Acid Cloud lol"

>>169932236
>muh resources

>>169921132

>hurr tab through piles of orcs that pose no threat
>hurr have to go through 8 billion stairs to get to Orc 4 because you have to go updownupdownupupdowndowndown
>hurr stepping on TP trap and ending up in disconnected bubble

What exactly is more tedious about Orc now?

>>169932729
>hurr tab through piles of orcs that pose no threat
Yeah stairdancing until old age, making killholes on the borders of the level or just fucking tabbing everything nonstop because you're playing a ezmode combo clearly requires a level of strategy and tactical engagement unmatched by anything on oldcrawl
>hurr have to go through 8 billion stairs to get to Orc 4 because you have to go updownupdownupupdowndowndown
When was this ever an issue? If this wore you down the issue was playing too much crawl
>hurr stepping on TP trap and ending up in disconnected bubble
This still happens

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What game is the pic from?

Also, what roguelike is generally considered "the best"? Moreover, which roguelike has the best feeling of progression and eventual /demigodOP-ness after playing long enough?

>>169933591
gee, it couldn't possibly say in the pic

>>169933591
The name's right on the screenshot.

Demon you lazy fuck

>Also, what roguelike is generally considered "the best"?
Highly subjective but generally Sil and Brogue are considered the best designed
> Moreover, which roguelike has the best feeling of progression and eventual /demigodOP-ness after playing long enough?
Probably nethack or Elona if grinding is more up your alley

>>169933379
the number of stairs in oldorc isn't an issue
you could just otab through everything anyways because 3 of the four levels were full of nonthreatening trash
and then after autoexplore has found all the stairs you just pick one that you haven't been through yet

>>169933591
Sil and Brogue are genuinely very good, it's just that they are always so highly recommended that they've become a meme since this general is full of Crawl faggots.

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>>169933634
>>169933783
Oh god.. I'm sorry.
Totally new to roguelikes, and I think my mind just assumed the line at the top wasn't part of the image, somehow. T-thanks

>>169933783
Thanks for the quick run-down

>>169933591
>Moreover, which roguelike has the best feeling of progression and eventual /demigodOP-ness after playing long enough?
Adom
You turn in a literal walking wishwell that can do anything

>>169875975
Anybody know the answer to this?
I can't find any sort of comparison on the web.
I guess I could go through every single change log like some kind of autist.

>>169933591
best roguelike is a tie between omega labyrinth and madensnow eve

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That was spooky.

>>169933972
the amount of content is pretty similar actually

a lot of what's been added in the paid version is "side stuff", like the fungal jungle, the huge piles of randomly generated markovchain books, the six-day-stilt, etc

>>169933951
You should mention that ADoM is one of the only roguelikes to have D&D style caster supremacy HARD and that becoming an archmage is a extremely fucking tedious even if you're the right class and race

>>169934325
Well he did say "after playing long enough"

>>169933951

ADOM wizards are so much fun. Once you get Acid Ball the game basically plays itself.

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How many fucking uniques are there in PCB, and what is the most ridiculous unoriginal enemy in the game? I am wary that even characters like Hobbes and Mario can be encountered.

>>169900036
My point is, how is the current system better than the previous one. With the old one, you weren't able to use 2 teleports and cTele to get all 3 runes, and you certainly couldn't use it to get most of the extended game runes.

With the new system, you still can't, but you can still cblink onto the rune and random tele out. In the hell branches, you can just cblink through the bottom floor right on top of the rune and random tele out.

In either case, you're still screwed in Zot. So not much really changed, other than the removal of a fun utility evocation.

>>169935549
Orcs I guess?

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What is the singular most powerful item (preferably in as many ways as possible) game-mechanical wise, in any roguelike?
(Like along the lines of Trident of the Red Rooster)

>>169935683
I assume ctele was removed for reasons other than just rune-stealing

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>>169935549
>how many fucking uniques are there.
gee, if only there was an information tab that listed that
Mario is a unique

>>169935549
>How many fucking uniques are there in PCB
297

>what is the most ridiculous unoriginal enemy in the game?
As in non-fitting? I'm not sure. Maybe Dio.

>>169935708
Crown of Morgoth or the One Ring from Angband.
Or the Axe of Woe from Crawl.

>>169935781
It was removed because it was a terrible bandaid fix to a mechanic that itself got removed

>>169935708
axe of woe

>>169935907
Alright. I'm gonna investigate this shit right now.

>>169935708
>>169935917
>>169936038

Yeah, Axe of Woe. It's the required weapon of the Arena of Blood (a Dungeon Sprint) and has infinite enchantment. Guaranteed to kill everything in one swing including via cleaving.

>>169935708
not spellbook of wish?

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>>169935917
>Crown of Morgoth
Shieeet
+125 to all stats? Aren't they capped at 100 or something though? Anyway that's some crazy stuff.

>>169936302
What are the stats on the Axe of Woe? Can't find it anywhere..

>>169936310
Well, the exorbitant cost to cast kind of balances it out, perhaps

>>169936471
>What are the stats on the Axe of Woe? Can't find it anywhere..
Cleaving
+Infinite/+Infinite enchantment

>>169936608
Eek!
Damn.. Reminds me of the Crissaegrim from Castlevania SotN.. Gamebreaking items which makes you shudder in glee initially. ..then things just get boring, heh

>>169936471
Stats are capped at 40.

>>169936853
Things don't get boring in that dungeon sprint.

>>169936853
It's unobtainable in game though, except in the "arena of blood" sprint map which starts you off with it from turn 1.

>>169936471
The Axe of Woe is a basic Executioner's Axe with infinite enchantment (so +infinity or +infinity/+infinity for older versions of Crawl).

>>169936853
Well, the mode that's used for is hard as hell, too. The enemies all have rings of +30 slaying or higher, and they all have weird properties: for instance, Hydras can torment you and Ogres are guaranteed to be berserked.

>>169936891
>stats capped at 40
That doesn't sound all that fun. Doing the occasional minmax run, or simply grinding one's way to absurdly high stats is a big part of the fun for me.
(Angband still looks neat, though)

>>169937020
>>169937231
Yeah.. Saw that just now. ..If you start with it from turn 1, I can definitely imagine that dungeon sprint has its own challenges..

>>169937314
Every dungeon sprint is pure bullshit

>>169937607
Linesprint is basically what the devs want crawl to be

What does "Free Action" mean?

>>169938185
Immunity to slows, paralysis, that kind of thing.

>>169938185
It doesn't take up a turn.

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damn I hope the DDA devs keep it up

>>169936853
>crissaegrim
i have never felt as crazy powerful as when i got that dropped lol
Pure power with a handle

>>169938185
freedom from things that would normally impede your movement or actions, generally
in *bands it's just immunity to paralysis and some slows
in dnd "freedom of movement" also makes you immune to things like spiderwebs or wrasslin'

>>169938579
>somebody wrestles you
>lol nah you actually didnt get me
how does that work

>>169938650
>The subject automatically succeeds on any grapple check made to resist a grapple attempt, as well as on grapple checks or Escape Artist checks made to escape a grapple or a pin.
hope this helps

>>169938650
Makes you dodge at the last second, I guess. I want to say it helps against caltrops in sil, and that's about the thing that would make sense there.

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IT'S OVER
ALL THE SUMMONS IN THE UNIVERSE COULDN'T SAVE YOU, SNEK

>>169940674
gratz.
now do it as a doppleganger immitator.

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>>169940674
i approve of this horse's name

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>>169935708

probably this

>>169941019
Someday... someday...

How do I set up the Auto-picker so that I automatically absorb weapons on the ground as a death sword?

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>>169944476
should be something like this

note that you won't know what you're absorbing essence-wise

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>>169945119
Thanks, I managed to figure it out anyway. It's somewhat counter-intuitive that the command is to destroy them.

Have you ever had a successful octopode dcss game?

>>169945598
Dozens
Chei and statueform are your friend

>>169945598
yes
wait actually no
wait yes, only one OpCj on version 0.12 with shithumet

>>169945598

I only have 2 online wins of them. It's so easy to splat them

>>169945598
the true goal of video games is to have fun
ergo, no crawl character can truly be said to be "succeessful"

>>169948983
notice how you can substitute video games with life there
and crawl characters with human

really... makes you think

>>169949234
go away hedonist

>>169949234
>notice how you can substitute video games with life there
this is true
>and crawl characters with human
this is false

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how do I fix this

>>169950510
It goes away on its own as you gain piety as normal

Depending on what you did it may go away as soon as you kill a couple demons without ever seeing the actual penance

>>169950641

Used a scroll of immolation and my deva got blown to bits. Was at max piety. Guess I'll just play it by ear.

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>>169949234

woah

>kill pack of elv warlocks
>4 stat potions
i love the letter h

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>>169950641

All better now. Thanks for the input.

>>169950510
TSO and other good gods won't actively punish you for messing up, unless you switch to an evil god (or chaotic god for Zin).

Just do things that please them (kill demons/undead, explore, etc.) and you'll get access to your high piety invocations again.

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>mechweldan deathmobile from a howitzer tank in dda
>23 ton motherfucker with three autocannon turrets
>safe speed 96 km/h
cool
>top speed 1657 km/h
im scared

>>169951572
copy your save somewhere and then go and floor it

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First time trying the Vault 5 nuke strat.

I like it.

>>169950706
why does she have hair buns

Not being lucky actually makes a huge difference in drops. My gear's kind of awful.

>>169952134

That isn't a strat, just suicide.

>>169952497

I definietly see the risks. If the stairs get locked (as mine did) it's essentially pure luck if the gaurdian is within range. Thankfully he was for me. Pretty sure all of the floor was attracted to the center, so I'm wandering around the depths a bit waiting for it to cool off

>>169952134
>>169952497
Immolation is addictive as hell.

I don't think it's too risky. If you have at least rF++ and have hasted yourself, you'll barely take damage between the guards and the flame. Wardens are usually 4-5 turns out of your LOS, so there's hardly any danger of getting trapped in the first rounds of explosions; if you see one sooner than that, just leave before they lock the stairs.

>>169954164

I think the real question here is why should you need to use immolation in the first place when you can just stairdance the initial guards and proceed like a normal human bean minimizing risks.

>>169951572
"Safe" means safe for the vehicle, not you. If you take it over 96 km per hour the engines will start taking damage

>>169955621
Makes sense. Hmm, damn

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>>169940674
congrats!

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>What a boring place...

I guess this is one of those new monsters?
Seems pretty nothreatening for level 60
although I see how he'd be annoying as fuck if I was a melee character

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although he's a cool dude
he dropped literally the first non-encumbering gloves i've found all game

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ah fuck what an asshole
give me my ammo back, Khamul

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Hooray.

>>169964253

Calm down on pressing too much 5 you 5 scummer.

>>169964253
mumo?

>>169964963
Filename you ANUS

>>169965146

What's a muck?

>>169963047
don't die, you're entering big faggot breather territory soon

>>169966160
yeah being on angband:55 with ZERO -TELEOTHER IN THE ENTIRE GAME SO FAR is kind of stupid and dangerous
if i get into a shitty situation i'll have to ?telelevel and probably leave my precious branded arrows behind

>>169965374
Babbymode.

>>169965374
a character who has chosen mu as race and ck as class, anon

>>169965146

>ANUS

Almighty Niggers Under the Sea?

>>169966858
ancient nibelung unicorn seeker

>>169914208

collect loot, walk away, sell animal parts for deyum programs, buy things

good night /rlg/

be sure to drink 64 oz of health potions daily

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That's a burden off my shoulders for sure. Finally got greaterMu.

>>169969212
2l of beer is too much for mee, i will be drunk and non productive...

>>169969502
the real health potions are the glass flasks of horse semen, silly

>>169970226
how many horses should you milk for those

>>169966272
go gamble wands if you're rich

>>169971709
ahahaha im poor as shit

when i have like 100x as much money as i currently have, maybe i'll make a dasai reforge longbow

>>169971827
Have you toggled off pets in your birth options?

>>169971873
nope
can't scum hydrastaff

Someone please tell me that Batrachians are some kind of debug pseudo-wizmode.

This is WAY too fucking strong.

>>169972597

They should've been a race with no armors like felids since they're supposed to be frogs; not some just-another-human-copypaste #14654645. This disaster could have been prevented but this is what's expected when 100k-200k turncount 3 rune shitters try to """"""design"""""" a race.

REMOVE VEHUMET

ABSOLUTELY USELSS NO PURPOSE SHIT GOD

>>169973295
This is so easy it makes the entire game boring.

They finally did it, the fucking maniacs. They designed a race easier than Gargoyle. What the fuck is left to destroy?

>>169973419

Sure, as long as Sif also gets removed.

>>169973436
It's still not easier than Spriggan tho, don't worry.

>>169970640
about four zebras

>>169972597
>>169973436
What happened? Last time I heard about them they were a challenge race awful at everything.

>>169973572
I dont know. It's close.

>>169973648
They made a race with only one weakness, that they are slow... And then gave them an ability that more than compensates for it, +1 EXP gain, and good aptitudes at *everything*. No negatives in anything at all, and high aptitudes in all spellcasting and fighting skills.

There's no point or challenge to the game like this...

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>>169973419

>#1 speedrunner is a Deep Elf of Vehumet

Sifbabbies on eternal suicide watch!

>>169973954
>some autistic shitlord is indicative of general performance

sure i do hope you enjoy getting back that MP from kobolds while praying he gives you iron shot by the end of lair

>>169973648
they're naga except worse with shields and better at virtually everything else

so better than naga in everything since shields are such shit

>>169974640

mmmm tears of suboptimal sifbabbies sure are delicious ahahahaha

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>>169973436
>easier than Gr

Why does everyone insist Shoals is hard? Swamp is much worse with those shitty ghost crabs, roses that fuck your shit up and the last vault being that clusterfuck full of swamp dragons and the fucking Lernaean Hydra on top. Only way Shoals can get bad is if you get Mara to spawn in there somehow and even then lmao just walk away, meanwhile good luck escaping the hydra if it swims up to you

>>169974926
It can have SHEEP throwers in there along with dream sheeps which are retarded as fuck, javelin tossers usually have penetration javelin in later floors and water is always around, harpies are annoying as fuck and if you dont have mr, enjoy wasting scroll of noise/tp/blink/fear/somthing to break the song and not drown yourself

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>>169974926
>Swamp is much worse
I agree.

>>169974926
Speaking of shoals, im on rlgrobin and im in shoals atm, if anyone wants to watch

https://underhound.eu:8080/#watch-rlgrobin

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>>169951572

>>169974926

Swamp may have different kind of threats but it is mostly inferior to a shithole such as Shoals.

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>>169975770
>tfw
And i just gotten the rune in shoals so yey

>>169975776
Haha, jesus christ 846 km/h
I love this game
Still haven't found power armor though, despite looking everywhere

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>>169981908
I love it when I find working power armour that fits just lying on the side of the road.

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>>169981963
WHAT
I've been to probably nine sci labs, sixteen mil. bunkers, and twelve mil.surplus stores, and I also rob every bank vault I come across

You probably came across one of those military ambush sites or something, and really lucked out with the drops you motherfucker

Also, is there some way in dda to view your entire vehicle from above/exterior? I.e. all of the roof tiles without any occlusions, like a bird's eye view?

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>>169975776
>Wheels: enough

wheels: quant. suff.

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>>169982084
Well, I say working, it doesn't have any power. It was next to a bunch of scientist bodies but there weren't any critters around, for whatever reason.
This is also my first character ever

>>169982305
>RM13
FILTH

>>169982305
Oh, yeah that's the combat armor.
Although powered, it's not power armor per se. Still damn nifty though, if you got the plutonium for it.

Also, if you ever encounter a zombie [elite] grenadier, just quit your life. Save yourself the pain.
WHO THOUGHT THAT DEATH MECHANIC WAS A GOOD IDEA?

speaking of DDA: I was looking at the latest experimental and it didn't have the arcana and PK rebalance mods. What happened?

>>169982562
There is a mod to remove them.
When they were first added, they spawned with regular dudes in cities.

>>169982904
Moved away from mainline because mod makers didn't support their own mods and the mainline versions kept breaking.
The launcher probably supports them or you can find the updated versions in threads by authors of forum.

>>169983740
Time to play a forever-winter lab-stranded cannibal broken cyborg then

>>169974926
Shoals has wider range of deep threats, along with the ability for all those threats to come at you in a single instance.

Swamp is basically just strong melee monsters (assuming you have rPois or get swamp dragon scales from the first swamp dragon you see) and ghost crabs. These aren't non-threats, but they're a lot more predictable in nature.

Shoals, conversely, has:
1) Ranged melee threats in javelineers and satyr groups
2) Merfolk who, especially in the latter floors, exclusively use reaching weapons
3) Genuine magic threats from hard-hitting ice and water magic, due to aquamancers and uniquely Ilsuiw.
4) Its own heavy hitters, in the form of Cyclopses, occasionally Polyphemus, occasionally Krakens, and frequently alligator snapping turtles.
5) Merfolk sirens and dream sheep who, in a single turn, can make all of the above problems *significantly* worse.

To me, the key thing is that it's possible to do (and die in) Swamp as the first Lair branch, but all of the threats in Shoals pretty much necessitates that you do it after Snake/Spider. There's just no way you're going to have all the necessary defenses for Shoals by the time you first see it.

>>169983740
>They spawned regularly
h-help

Also, thanks for the advice. I should have checked the various forum mod threads. come to think of it.
The ease with which the launcher handles mods kind of made me complacent and lazy, I guess
(There's a possibility that they might be added back in with the mainline launcher, right? There isn't any bad blood between the modders and main dev or anything?)

>>169983857
Hoo-rah! Difficult starts is the best part of dda

>>169983935
>The ease with which the launcher handles mods kind of made me complacent and lazy, I guess
Launcher doesn't handle them?
I mean, the separate application somewhere on forums that is supposed to dl extra stuff. It no longer handles them?

>There's a possibility that they might be added back in with the mainline launcher, right?
You mean packaged with the mainline game or something else? They are unlikely to get added to mainline game because one author shittalked Kevin (arcana) and the other doesn't want to break his mod into parts to get it reviewed.

So tell me, how do I survive as a broken cyborg in an empty lab?

>>169984274
You have infinite water and a huge meat supply that won't spoil because cold. Getting out is easy enough.

>>169984274
Locked lab*

>>169984265
Ah no, I meant that the launcher handled them in a good/simple way. (The ordinary game's main screen, that is.)
...Didn't know about the separate application handling/dl-ing stuff. Sorry. (Christ, I wish I started with this game a long time ago)

Yeah I meant packaged with the main game.
>shittalked
That's too bad.. It's always salty people causing things like these in game development/modding. God damnit.

>>169984489
>Didn't know about the separate application handling/dl-ing stuff.
I didn't use it but I heard it makes things easier.
It also lets you dl soundpacks that supposedly make the game ultimately comfy.

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The most exciting part of DDA.
Fixing .json files.

Well, I just removed the thing
I hope it wasn't something important!

Oh great the whole mapgen is fucked

>>169928903
I've played jellies. 8-12 depending on level.

>>169930632

>-1 M/F apt

into the trash it goes

>skill rust off by default
Gross.

>>169986537
If you like skill rust, you may also enjoy smashing your dick with a hammer, counting grains of salt and other such fun activities.

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>>169987580
Anon, skill rust without PK makes you invincible after the first year because the enemies are terribly balanced.
Intcap is where it's at.

Also does anyone else pick up bodymuts just because they'd look good on a character
I wanted to pick fluffy tail but I can't wear good pants with it

>>169987856
Skill rust doesn't prevent you getting invincible, it only means you need to do tedious shit once in a while to prevent rust.

Without skill rust
>read book
>alt-tab
>come back and play

With skill rust
>read book
>fabrication starts rusting
>stop reading and craft a knitting needle
>back to reading
>melee starts rusting
>stop reading, go to punching bag closet, punch a zed
>back to reading
>tailoring starts rusting
etc.

It's pure, irredeemable shit.

>>169988156
You're thinking of int rust.

Besides, DDA becomes boring without skill rust because you get too strong too quickly.

>have 4 fucking arms
>this translates to not being able to throw large rocks, be helpful in unarmed combat, have you dual-wield, wear extra rings, gloves or give you any proficiency with weapons whatsoever (but you can still use shield tho just fine, in fact really well)

When will the devs uncuck formicids?

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I regret adding NPCs.

>>169988609
>The card reader shuts down!

>>169988773
Oh that happens now?
Then I might be able to have fun.

>>169989142
It was always RNG.

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>make a little safe space
>destroy the computer and a centrifuge and make a nice little brazier fire
>divide all my current stash into specific tiles depending on type
This is the good shit.
My only problem is that I'll need to grab a mask or something because of the smoke and that 1 tile radius of light is not a lot.

>>169990191
Do you have million glasses or something?
Pretty sure fire usually gives more than 1 radius of crafting.

>>169990689
Nope. My eyes aren't encumbered.

Two questions

In DDA, if you change the NPC spawn rate, will it affect all worlds or do you have to create a new one for it to work?

And second, can you change the type of skill rust while playing?

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How do I change the layout so that the command window appears on the bottom?

I just installed 19.5 and this is kind of jarring.

>>169991990

I mean the message window

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>NPCs no longer fall into dissectors
Yeah, that kinda screwed my plan.

>>169991990
what's the point of changing that

>>169992607

it's annoying because I'm not used to it.

>>169992761
>>169991990

found the answer. set tile_force_overlay to false

>>169992761
what's the point of them changing that

IVAN aka the hedgehog critically bites you in the crotch while you wonder "Where the fuck is my dog?"