/rlg/ - Roguelike General

>>170129703
literally no one

>>170129770
literal cuck

>>170132514
Nice time to post you big winner

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>find reasonably well-fitting ANBC suit on a dead firefighter
>wash it off, weld some kevlar over a couple of holes, equip it
>become functionally invincible to melee, acid, the environment, electricity, and cold
I just walked into town and tanked 3 shocker brutes to the face at : stamina and 47 pain, took too long to kill a screecher, and had to slowly whittle away at the ensuing zombie horde with my 3 melee and 3 unarmed while wading through acidic zombies. The closest thing to damage I took was a few rips and tears on my leg pouches. And you lot still think Survivor gear and Rivtech is unbalanced.

I still fear bullets and explosions tho.

>>170129703
I just figured out how to install and operate PDCurses. hope I have the mindset to actually stay on track long enough to finish a game

>>170134026
>hope I have the mindset to actually stay on track long enough to finish a game
yeah this is the hardest part

>Meneldor will never pick you up and show you the world

it hurts

>>170134026
My experience (as someone who has no idea what they're doing) was that after slogging through the display and saving stuff, I realized I had no idea how to do anything interesting in a way that wasn't total ass.

And so my @ walking simulator sits.

>>170137148
>Meneldor will never pick you up, snap your neck like a dry twig, shove you unceremoniously in his mouth like a giant vermin, partially digest you into a slurry of visceral nutrients, regurgitate you into to the shrieking mouths of his adopted eagle children, then have noisy gay birdsex with Gwaihir for the 15,000th time this age

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I saw this and thought of you

wow, 5.0.5's spell autotarget is pretty convenient - now I can add more wizardly types to the ever-growing splat repertoire

>>170143023
you could already do the same just by having a macro start with *t though, no?

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reminder

Good night /rlg/

be sure to attend the temple of your choice on Sunday

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>tfw demigod irl

>>170148498
kek

Has CDDA improved its faction mechanics any? Can I join an enclave of survivors and join them in raids against rivals?

>>170148937
No, faction code is one of the things that were never really implemented.

>>170151836
oh, darn. RIP.

they added laundry and shaving though

Thinking about altering the ENERGY_NEED() for PCBR.
Perhaps making standard deviation 12 instead of 25.

Vehumet> Sif Muna
Nemelex> Gozag
Anything> Qazlal

>>170158009
>Vehumet over anything
you lost me

>>170158262
top speedrunner is a DE of vehumet

i'll collect your tears at the check-out

>>170158323
>speedrunning being relevant

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Greetings from another general (and someone who lurks here some of the time too, but that's irrelevant).

On a scale of 1 to torches and pitchforks, how averse would you guys be to merging with your retarded step-brother, /lite/?
We're both slow, but /lite/ especially at the moment (to the point of dying). We can go to /indie/ instead if you don't want an aneurysm, we're asking here first simply because we know this general runs slower (e.g., page 10 while I'm posting this).

>>170161364
I'll fockin' wreck ur shit m8.

>>170161364
Torches and pitchforks

Go to /indie/

>>170161607
>>170161662

don't be like that, we can be fraaaaaaaands. :(

>>170161698
No, we can't, we're too different.

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>>170161364
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>170161364
Reported.

>>170161749
>>170161884
>>170161957

So that's a Maybe. Got it.

>>170161698
No
We already have enough "x is a roguelike. it's not turn based, but it somehow is a roguelike".
We can be friends from afar, but we can only be enemies up close.

Hey does anyone know here if I play DC:SS over SSH on the official servers if I can still spectate other players, have stats on so forth? Does it still registers streaks?

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>>170161364
We should just move to /indie/ my /lite/ brother
This place sucks and will soon probably die a slow and painful death anyway.

>>170161364
Ill rather die than mold with the /lite/ dwebs.

Yo /rgl/ I'm new to the genre how long does it usually take for a player to get into a game and win it or even get an acceptable winrate?

>>170162745
Depends on the game

>>170162895
Can you give me an example for one of the major roguelikes?

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Fucking finally I got an acceptable staff as quest reward from Old Castle Quest.

Dealing with Qs in that place is a fucking nightmare.

>>170163306
damn lucky bastard

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>>170161364
We've got 5 years of history, anon.
Go to /indie/.

>>170163078
Well, let's take DCSS as an example

DCSS can be hard or easy, this depends on what class/race combo you pick and what kind of run are you trying to do.

For example, for your first run, let's say you do a three rune run with a MiBe, that shouldn't take too long to beat for the first time, it might take some time but not too long, then you try other easy classes like GrFi (which might be a bit too similar to MiBe) or SpEn, it shouldn't take too long to win a three rune run with those, and if you keep playing eventually you will be able to win consistently, but it's gonna take some time.

Now, if you decided to take another race/class combo, one that's harder, or try to do run with more runes other than three, or both, it's gonna be hard, and it's gonna take a long time to get a consistent winrate.

If we take something else, like nethack, it's similar, depends on what race/class combo you pick and if you decide to read all the spoilers or not. If you want to win you have to read them

>>170163306
enchant the geeeeaaar
and with geeeeeaaaar I mean the boots
they're corroded
your AC is horrdendous for a melee character even with kamikaze

>>170163598
I know, actually did that after taking screencap.
I also shuffled some equipment around, but I still have shitty rings/amulets etc.
Played on coffeebreak-mode, so I haven't had too good drops yet on those.

>>170163970
>Played on coffeebreak-mode
Oh, that explains how you got level 50 in 4 hours.

>>170161364
I'D RATHER DIE
>>170162135
Yes that's the only way to play. You can actually spectate webtiles from there

>>170163506
Thanks for the reply, exactly what I was looking for.

So I downloaded DCSS and already learned that a Vampire Fighter is a pretty hard class and loses even to a hobgoblin on level 1. Time to read the DCSS pasta i guess

>>170164225
Only way to play? You mean best way? Because to this I can agree

>>170163506
Oh man the mandatory spoiler reading in nethack is what is really keeping me from trying the game, even though it is a classic

>>170165832
Don't worry. You'll still die because you didn't read all the spoilers.

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>>170165905
"Dying is fun!"

>>170161364

I don't see any problem with merging and it'd keep the thread lively.

>>170166614

too late, we already unpacked all of our doritos and shitty roguelites in /indie/ after we got ree'd out. don't worry though, I'll always be lurking here ;)

>>170166614
R
E
E
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Huh. I guess they removed that.
Serves me right for playing .17

>>170167157
Item destruction?

>>170167372
Jellies eating items you've already seen, so they split and give you freexp.

>>170161364
Fuck you, /rlg/ will never die while I'm here

>>170164534
Yeah
>local console
Dumb retarded fake console bullshit
>local tiles
Implying mouse interface, it's big and dumb looking too. How am I supposed to play without 4chan and steam/discord/IRC on screen without having to alt-tab around?
>webtiles
Laggy garbage with all the negatives of local tiles and without even the mouse interface gimmick to try to save it
Chat is cool THO
>telnet/SSH
I'm an elite hacker doing remote access to my secret server
The only real way to play

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This is a bad downstair.
Not as bad as the 8 headed hydra one I took in lair once but still this is pretty horrible without fear.

>>170167754
But will it ever live?

>>170168589
I'm no Mummy/MuMo expert, but that doesn't seem too bad. The centaur is right next to you, so it won't shoot you. If the orc wizard doesn't have Slow, they'll mostly be a non-issue (except for Throw Flame).

The giant frog will be the most dangerous thing, pound for pound.

>>170169027
>The centaur is right next to you, so it won't shoot you

The orc had a trident of flaming, the wizard had puff of flame and the priest started smiting.
I used the frog as a meatshield while running away to save myself from the barrage of arrows but I had to resort to read-id'ing scrolls. After wasting a blink I got a fear, then went upstairs next to a double headed ogre I had parked there
I re-read blink without shame.
Died to hasted wizard and regular priest spamming magic dart and smite while I was trying to run away later on.
Still, losing a doubleclever mumo is a good thing.

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About midway through Lair. TeFe.
I only have three means to kill anything:

fly, sticky flame, and dance around hoping I don't get whacked until the thing dies

retreat to choke point, conjure flame, and spam flame tongue until the thing dies

animate skeleton, inner flame, ta then retreat and hope it blows the thing up

Only other attack spells I have memorized are bolt of draining and magic dart. What does one do at this point? Sticky flame and dodge through the entire dungeon? Is it really the only way? It usually starts to become mana inefficient to kill things from this point.

>>170169648
god?

>>170170587
Kiku
for the early animate skeleton

>>170167872
telnet or ssh :^)

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>>170171079

>>170169648
what's wrong with fireball
haven't played in a long time

>>170171445
A yak gored me to death after you posted this

>>170157979
Less double turn bullshit would be cool.

>>170163306
>The Ring 'Stormbringer' with garbage stats
That's kind of painful to see.

>>170165832
to be honest i went into nethack without reading spoilers

you don't really focus on winning, in my opinion learning from your mistakes and dying is much more fun than reading up on what exactly does what.

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>Recall to level

>Pit full of Chtonians
>Rooms full of many coloured dragons
>Pit of elven shades
>Null the Living void as guardian

This level is so exciting.

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What a noble sacrifice!

Is there a typical progression route in CDDA? Playing for the first time, I notice there are bunkers and labs and stuff, but I've been mostly running around in an RV going from small town to small town, accumulating a horde of random crap. The worst things I've seen so far are shocker brutes in basements, which I ran away from, a random tank drone which I also ran away from, and a single zombie necromancer (that kept reviving things in the middle of a minefield then a bear came and murdered most of his posse).
It's pretty fine so far, but I was wondering if there are specific areas that you go to past earlygame? Do I just try to hit up a big town at some point?

>>170177415
Go to labs when you can.
Try to find acetylene torch so that you can destroy lab doors.

>>170177525
I think I have one of those.
Better go find a lab, then.

>>170178042
Just watch out for turrets, security bots, brutes and the cold

Especially the cold

What's PCB-R? Where can I get it?

>>170179579
there's this neat thing called google, you may have heard of it

>>170179579
Why is this not in the pasta

https://github.com/floatRand/PoschengbandR

... has the pcb pasta been updated in the past year or two?

>>170148498
Is this DRL?

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Anyway, now that I splatted my character to one of those new uniques from Ellipsis/Pseudo, time to push update.

Only change that really matters is that energy is less random ( see img. )
Basically using 12 as standard deviation instead of 25.

>>170180619
I understand that graph perfectly and I have no reason to ask for any clues about what's been drawn there

>>170180898
This comment, but unironically.

>>170180898
How energy works for Poschengband is that:
1. On action, energy-need is rolled. The amount of energy needed is determined via normal distribution ( the curves in image are probability densities of old sd vs. new sd. The new curve is the blue one ). Some actions have set energy-need ( ex. double attack of monks )
2. Creatures substract a value from energy-need determined by speed-to-energy-table. More speed, more energy is substracted.
3. When energy-need reaches 0 or less, creature gets a turn.

Basically it makes double/triple-turns less likely. That applies to players, too.
However, it is still random. Just bit more predictable.

What options should I change for PCB-R?

>>170182706
Make truly major changes from PCB on a yes/no options toggle (bonus xp, the new energy change) and I'd recommend your version over others

that would also have a secondary purpose of forcing you to make a precise description of what the new options actually do ingame

>>170183471
>Make truly major changes from PCB on a yes/no options toggle
some of the things don't really make sense as a toggleable option though, like jewelry randarts

>>170172539
I'm really a perfectionist, and sometimes I feel that my neurotic min maxing may hurt my experience. I will a blind playthrough like you said for DCSS and see if it is more fun.

Any advise for programming a roguelike in c++? Programmin noob.

I'M NOT READY

>>170186557
there's a roguelike dev community on reddit

should i execute this floppy arelgee?

OMG I JUST STARTED PLAYING THE DCSS TUTORIAL AND THIS GAME IS AWESOME

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>>170188869
it's ok
very newbie friendly though, and it has a great tutorial

>>170188989
I like how the tutorial teaches you to listen because otherwise you die and have to start again. Dying in the tutorial is truly the best way to make sure we noobs learn :P

>>170184904
Everytime I start to play a game where you have to choose your character and what stats and skill they will have, I have the need to go and search for a guide that tells me what the strongest build is, I cannot help it. I cannot stop.

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well theoretically I have a floppy disc of Logic Bomb so I should be able to use it to easily disable this dogbot before it kills me
but in actual fact, my spacecomputer is busy force-restarting to update spacewindows without asking me first
so i can't excute floppy discs at the moment

>>170188989
Those are some nice tits, what's their name?

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>>170189431
i don't actually know her name
she's from a yuri manga, she's the sister of the girl the MC likes

>>170190275
Glad to see you're still here after all these years.

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>>170190465
who do you think i am?
because im probably not

>>170189360
>but in actual fact, my spacecomputer is busy force-restarting to update spacewindows without asking me first

I don't even.

>>170189291
The game is fun when you mastered it. I want to see if a game is fun too when you are incompetent, I guess not really, but when you finally come up with something good yourself I suppose the feeling should be worth it

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i got a little too intimate with a facehugger and now im pregnant

if this was elona i could just drink a bottle of dye or something

>>170190572
You are the same guy who posted that manga about the two girls who cook together a year back. Aren't you?

>>170191756
nnnnope

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>>170191893
Rip.

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How wide is too wide for a deathmobile in DDA? I have a lot of material to work with.

>>170191614
What game?

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grenades of teleport other? seem pretty handy

>>170192184
this is PRIME

>>170192006
depends on what you want to do
you probably only want 3-5 tiles of width if you want to actually drive through cities because you'll need to manouver around wrecks all the time
some anons for some reason make huge deathmobiles that they only ever use for driving between cities, and then they need a separate smaller vehicle to go inside
seems like a dumb plan to me, not sure why people do it

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>>170191756
nice try newfag, you can't fool me

Ok, let's talk about Elona, about the difficulty of the game, to be specific.

Elona has several difficulty levels, and the only one with forced permadeath is Inferno mode, I guess this means that Elona isn't really a roguelike unless you play Inferno, now, I'm not saying we shouldn't discuss Elona here, what I want to ask is, is there any point in actually playing on Inferno, or is it just a really frustrating experience?

From what I've heard, you could a lot of progress because of something you simply couldn't have prepared or known about, I have played *bands before so losing quite a bit of progress isn't something I'm unfamiliar with, but in Elona it seems really, really frustrating and unbalanced.

So, if I want to enjoy Elona, should I just play on one of the difficulty settings other than inferno?

>>170192886
there are people who spend hundreds and hundreds of hours in a single elona save just doing comfy farmin and grindan
i dont think that kind of gameplay really makes sense with permadeath

but then there are other people who actually play it like a dungeon crawler

>>170192324
I'd like to go into cities with it. I've got a minigun that will be totally wasted if I can't drive into horde with it. Suppose I do 7 wide, with the outermost tiles only tank treads and/or roller drums and rams? If I do that will I just shear them off the first time I try to push a wreck out of the way? I don't mind frequent stops for repairs, but if my treads get destroyed they're a son of a bitch to make again. I got the ones I have by lucking into a bandit bulldozer.

>>170192886
There is basically no reason to play on inferno unless you are an expert on the game and want a challenge or to flop your massive e-peen around.

>>170161364
sure
2-3 maybe
A lot of "rogueliKes" played here are actually rogueliTes anyway, and yet they're mostly accepted, so it doesn't really matter if we throw in more rogueliTes

>>170192324
>seems like a dumb plan to me, not sure why people do it
Why not? Drive car to city, make trunk-on-wheels and go loot. Also you don't have to worry about zombies trashing your car.

That said, I have no idea if driving around cities is still viable to get your giant base across without having to navigate through the wrecks.

>>170193262
Why do you actually need 7 wide though?
what does it give you over 5 wide, other than looking more imposing?
is it just for the double-thick walls so you can park without zombies going "lmaophysics ill just walk through this car wall because it's diagonal"
cause you can fix that just by making sure to align straight north/south/east/west when parking

>>170193076
>>170193274
Right, I won't play on Inferno mode then, thanks for answering.

>>170193434
Elona and DDA are roguelikes, you're just buying into a meme.

reminder: crawl and poschengband are not roguelikes, they are roguelites.

>>170193572
It allows me to use tank treads and roller drums on the outside of the vehicle. I've got them and I want to use them. Rule of cool and all that. If they're just going to pop off in a shower of scrap the first time I hit something then I won't, at least not that way. That's what I'm trying to find out.

>>170193623
>won't play on Inferno mode then
Then leave.

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>>170191756
>rlg is secretly /u/
This explains a lot.

>>170194113
roller drums make the whole thing slow as shit though

>>170193856
I didn't say those games. But they are definitely not roguelikes

>>170194726
Wait, from the CHEST?
I thought breasts are for milk and vagina is for birth

>>170194375
The roller that I took them from and the armored car I transferred them onto for transport both had higher safe maximum speeds than I was comfortable going, and with only one engine. I'm not worried about it.

>>170194886
Well they're facehuggers, not vaginahuggers

Except in porn

>>170194870
Well, they are definitely roguelikes, so you are definitely wrong.

>>170195031
Not really.

>>170195138
Staying wrong and refusing to accept facts will only help you to fault more.

Let me remind you that Rogue isn't a roguelike

Doom isnt a doom clone either

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>>170195138
Thanks for enlightening me with your well thought out and wholesome argument

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>>170195343
in this thread we only post animes, not frogs

>>170195309
But is DoomRL a doom clone?

>>170195472
Actually, animeposting is generally frowned upon

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>>170195657
that's not true!
animeposting is a beautiful treasure!

>>170195812
at least ponyposter posted pony only once

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>>170195812
sorry senpai

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>>170195812

that's not true and you know it.

>>170196117

>DDA has been a thing for four years now
>it's still shit

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>>170195472
no

>>170195496
It's a Wolf3dlike.

Hey /rgl/, I have a little problem. I'm starting to play DCSS and on my German keyboard, the '^' key is a dead key, that means I have to press ^ and space to get the key.
Sadly, this produces some weird behaviour on the occasions I need the key (mostly in menues). Is there a way to rebind all actions, that need the ^ key to F1?

>>170196117
It's good to see this image once in a while to remember how things improved:
>much less fungaloids
>faster
>no more spawning from thin air
>can have fun without being an autist
>no more memory leaks
>no more fungals out of thin air
>fires die properly and lag much, much less
>armor nerfed pretty hard
>fire trick nerfed really hard
>line of sight fixed

/rlg/ also improved - nowadays no one is as much of a whiny autist as the fag in the screencap.

>>170196761
>no more spawning from thin air
Mr eyebot and mr drone would like a word with you, camp granada

>>170196902
That was a totally separate point.
Read in order

>>170196994
also fungals spawn from thin air
fungals are still broken as fuck
what are you smoking

>>170196650
yes

>>170197182
No they don't, you bong-guzzling smoke projector.
They multiply like worms, but they do not warp in.

>>170197341
How do I do it?

>>170197381
>one fungal spore around shelter
>drive around
>there's 50 thousand more
>the nearest fungal spire is 75 maptiles away
yeah
no

>>170197562
The lord helps those who help themselves.

>>170197564
Clean up the magic mushroom from your cave - your goalposts are levitating around.

>>170196650
Ctrl+D in-game, and then use the keymapping options.

>>170197734
Are you gonna help me or do you just don't know too?

>>170197927
ok thanks, I tried that. But it still behaves weird. When I press it twice, it kicks me out of menues instead of going backwards. Is there some config file where I can rebind all actions which need the ^ key directly?

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I can't into cavalry.

Fucking eagles.

What kind of skills would one require to begin making their own simple RL? I'm mainly thinking programing.

>>170198742
Programming is pretty much what you need.
Perhaps math ( for generation, plus probabilities are good to handle ).

>>170198742
Autism, dedication, not giving up, ability to force self to do tedious shit while leaving cool stuff for later, ability to not give the fuck up after you realize you programmed self into a giant mess, ability to follow a tutorial.

Honestly, the worst part is the beginning. Once you manage to implement some basic UI, you're already past the worst and can now actually start considering game mechanics.

But if you start with the story and complex mechanics before you have basic system, you can drop the project because you idea guyed it.

>>170198490
you really shouldn't fight Thorondor without levitation, since it significantly reduces the damage from that

>>170180619

Update? What, PCB 5.0.6 soon?


I hope PCB eventually gets the color-changing character icon on health thing that PCBR has. Makes surviving so much easier.

>>170199407
It was during a quest in Vault.
I should have buggered off the moment I saw him, but didn't want to lose the quest.

>>170197564
>not using a mod to blacklist fungal monsters

It was update for R.

>>170196650
>>170197927
>>170198328

The said solution didn't work (maybe because I'm too retarded to use it), but I now found a workaround.

This is the Autohotkey script:

#IfWinActive, Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup 0.19.5

F1:: Send {ASC 00094}

Works for every dead you, you just have to find the alt code for the character.

>>170198819
I get that much. All the programming I've done is a week of HTML. I'm starting from scratch, I don't even know what languages are available, what are the pros and cons of ach system, etc.
Maybe I should try a basic programming course to get into the hang of things.

>>170199025
I'm pretty much 'Idea Guying' it now, coming up with ideas on intricacies on hunger, attributes, etc systems.

>>170201867
>I'm pretty much 'Idea Guying' it now, coming up with ideas on intricacies on hunger, attributes, etc systems.
AAAH
DON'T

The more ideas you have the worse you will feel when you're inevitably bogged down with the boring parts.
There is a reason most roguelikes are forks and it's not lack of creativity.

>>170198490
>fighting great eagles
>on a fucking 5-headed hydra

holy h*ck are you serious

>>170201867
http://www.roguebasin.com/index.php?title=Complete_Roguelike_Tutorial,_using_python%2Blibtcod

The goto tutorial. With this, the roguelike "Temple of Torment" has been made. If you like a video, you could check this out (or find others on youtube):
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLKUel_nHsTQ1yX7tQxR_SQRdcOFyXfNAb

>>170202724
Cheers yo

>>170188615
DO IT

>>170189360
kek
delete system 32

>>170199789
https://github.com/floatRand/pseudoposchengbandR_release

woot, new PCBR!

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>>170203182

Best dragon type in PCB/PCBR?

Do any of them evolve into GWOP?

>>170189360
I that some new *band?

>>170203582
Arguably a good thing. If you have the Programming Skill to turn them into useful disks.

>>170203621
nothing evolves into gwop
you cant even be multihued

but best dragon type depends on what you want to do
for something like attack or armor realm red and white are tied for best melee (red is probably better because cold is a shittier element)
for breath realm you almost certainly wand sound breath, so gold or law
steel dragon is otabbiest, the berserker of dragons

>>170203621
Their abilities are pretty self explanatory. For a mount, you want speed, HP and resistances before anything else. Sky drakes evolve into gwops, but you're better off just catching one by that point.

oh yeah, shadow and ethereal get to walk through walls which is cool

>>170195897
He posts borderline tho

What's the coolest Race + Class Combo in DCSS?

>>170203795
arguably? what's the argument for it being a bad thing?

>>170205335
When you don't have enough programming skill to make useful disks out of the blank ones.

>>170205335
Well doing it this way destroys the disk of reformat. If you get a multi-drive computer later on you can use reformat to blank multiple OTHER disks instead, which is more valuable.

>>170205161
Demonspawn fire elementalist

Spriggan, naga, and octopode are the only races with any real flavor

spellcasters are the only types worth playing, and fire elementalists get the best capstone spell with the greatest ease

>>170203827
What about resists et all? Heck, what do all the dragon types evolve into? Red into Ancient Red and no further?

>>170203991
Not mount, meant playable.

>>170204007
At the cost of being weak, right? Although Shadows get the ability to use Death realm magic... not sure if that's any good or not.

>>170206932
The resists are are nice but nothing to base your entire character choice around
note though that the four elmental dragons (plus poison) get immunity to their element at 45. Fire and elec are the two most useful of these immunities, probably.

>>170205975
Can I win with demonspawn fire elementalist when i know nothing about this game?

>>170161364
>>170162009
Fuck. No.
At no point am I looking for a game that plays like rogue, and then want to play something completely different in every way that matters

Is there an anon with the new Cogmind Alpha? I know you are around somewhere. I want to cum on that ascii porn.

>>170205161
Mummy Monk

>>170208737
Sure, here you go https://mega.nz/#!bMlSCYTD!nQDL2DLIszk1h9fS3ARUk2BZolsWufGdLTzIQJ9lepM

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>>170209153

>>170207960
No

>>170205161
>>170205161
>>170205161
mumo

>>170191756

How can anyone even lie in the internet these days?

>>170207960

yes

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>>170177415
Not really. You can either scavenge gear speedrunning through towns dashing into shops and driving off or go the slow and steady route with craft chaining farming, sewing, and forging. Morale books and the occasional tussle without pulping so you can grind on them will make you a decent all-rounder. Either way you'll learn to nail wood boxes on for storage of anything you can get running or just make a cloth bike to hold essentials on the go.

Keep your eye open in fields for map extras to fish up mil and lab id's. Raid to hit libraries/mansions/schools for a full book set, strip gun stores, scavenge drugs, check tool drops for a full set. Salvage vehicle modules and solar panels as you go. You'll have to craft the forge, welding rig, and foodco buddy

Once you have computer's 6 - from books, solid armor, and some lab id's, go to a science lab. Open it up and root around, Extra bundle up and you can grenade or shoot a couple turrets until you get a surviving console to download the surface map. Then just bum from mansion to lab to hospital to fema camp to bank to gun store to lab to download more surface maps sucking up all the bits and bobs you want. Bunkers, you'll use 1 id to open the bunker then electrohack/smash the console, jackhammer the wall, or torch the metal door. If you don't mind dealing with them, an NPC to live in your vehicle as your crafting assistant helps once you have unlimited food.

Endgame is building your penismobile if you like to take everything with you, fish up a better armor list, hoard fur and wool for your ice lab diver set, install bionics, soft-max your combat skills with the memory banks, mutation roulette (if you want) until you get a decent set you can live with the bad ones in it, finish your armory spreadsheet or have solidified on what you're disassembling ammo into.

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>>170177415

In general
Traps:
* A good shovel/entrenching tool (fabrication) lets you burn down unnecessary places then shovel it out for nails for nailboard traps
* A jackhammer lets you collapse roofs for oodles of nails for nailboard traps though sometimes you can get lucky with window smashing.
* A bolt cutter (many tool drops), lets you make tons of caltrops.
* Use these traps, a reflex recurve/pneumatic bolt driver, and 10 or so grenades/dynamite to effortlessly tear through a town's hordes if needed for a more slow approach
* Always have strong stimulants, strong painkillers, use them BEFORE it goes to shit, and always have at least 6 zombie pheramones to get away

>>170209343
>>170210428

Schrödinger's '@'

>>170177415

Food:
* Tanks of salt water let you easily preserve leftovers
* Dig up dahlia roots to make flour on downtime
* Veggie aspic is cheap low resource permafood while you're wandering around
* You can meat aspic after you no longer need bone helms and have bleach for glues. Keep for bone broth if you're worried about your vitamin stock
* Farm buckwheat for unlimited flour you only have to make once a year
* A berry farm provides unlimited vinegar for batteries and pickling
* Dandelion farm feeds you soup precursors and tea for max health
* Vodka farm lets you preserve fruits as wild apple, boozeberry, and whatever the strawberry thing is.
* For a lighter "farm" approach, just stem excess wild veggies you forage while traveling. Whenever you stop somewhere for at least a week, plant it, harvest, and turn it to stems. Once you can plant 100/season or 200 in fall you're completely broke from the food clock.
* If you're going to be near a spot for a bit, a constructed rock charcoal kiln will make you unlimited charcoal to smoke foods
* Raid an ant hill for a bazillion eggs for permafood. Build a wood or better cart to haul shit down there
* If you have charcoal/vehicle modules it's also an ass ton of meat to preserve
* Later you'll make a foodco and just dehydrate whatever
* Can sealer and crafting empty canisters lets take stomachs of water and cans of soup on your loot run without an ~4 day cutoff to make it back.

Also, you can use throwing weapons like lawn darts to keep doing 30dmg way out to 25+ range with good str, throwing skill, and perception. Between that, holsters, and wearing shoulder strapped guns like a 9mm rifle or pneumatic bolt driver you can clear pretty far out then just drop them in time to scabbard your weapon of choice or draw one from your backpack if you have the time for it.

>>170203621
The five elemental ones are the strongest numerically, so are probably the best outside of crusade and death realms (which they can't take) or breath (where you want sound or at least shard breath).

This mostly matters for the mediocre realms like domination and craft where you get nothing early on, strong ones like armor can pick the wacky dragons.

>>170207960
Demonspawn fire elementalist (or any blaster caster) is a lot more fun to learn with than minotaur berserker, that's for sure. Just remember to macro your initial spell to 'v' or something equally convenient

>>170211990
>balance drake's horrific exp penalty

Don't call him wacky, he's just a little mentally challenged! He just needs tender loving care!

>>170211827

My second ever win was a 15 rune DEFE (first was a 3 rune HEFi). Spells are that strong enough to carry you anywhere even if you don't know the enemies around you.

>>170205161

TeFi

Where's the best place to find the hand press and die set? or is it just better to train what i need to make one

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>it's another forced to use awakening episode

>>170192324
Backtracking constantly is annoying to me. It's not too much fuss to setup a ways away, unfold a lootmobile, slap the solars and batteries on it then go use it for 2 weeks as I strip the place.

As a result, I have 5 or so spaces of patches, full toolset with spares for the scavenging, full set of guns with a couple replacements, spare ammo up the wingwang, full library and spare morale books, summer armor, winter armor, anti-gunfire armor, weapons with a couple replacements, spare weapon and armor sets for npc's, electronics gizmos, all the chems I need, plenty of charcoal, bough, 2x4's sticks, rocks, string, thread, rope and other bits, batteries and alternators awaiting disassembly, the folded lootmobile and its bits, spare tires, lots of spare metal, spare parts to patch, stash for drinks, permafood, mre/canned, couple container spots for holding and lugging, floor trunk of containers, couple stow/floor trunks for traps.

With maps I don't have to go into forests much either so it's not really a problem.

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>I splatted this fucker on Tower:19.

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My Human Software Engineer is going pretty well now.
I managed to find two floppy disks of hacking, and I used a can of antimatter to secretly murder a shopkeeper in Robot Town so I could steal his coffee and canned brains for even more temporary programming skill.

With my sky-high programming ability I successfully removed the copy protection on floppy disks of identify, debugging, enhance armor, enhance weapon, and teleportation, and I still have 1 of my 2 hacking disks left.

Unfortunately I pissed off all of robot town by accidentally walking out of a different shop without paying for a $5 can of coffee or something. But since I now have infinite controlled teleports forever, that's not a huge issue...

Are easy-ID and easy-Lore still a necessity in PCB-R?

>>170214501
retart
also
>4str
i thought ferret was supposed to spread out heavily focused stats on wraiths, meaning that 4 in any stat is impossible

>>170214934
Well I don't understand why you would want to play without them, but you CAN if you enjoy it for some reason.

>>170215040
Also, are virtues still just a spammy useless piece of shit that should be turned off?

>>170215235
they have some effects on the game but the amount of message spam isn't really worth it imo

>>170207960
Yeah
Draconian Fire elementalist is better but whatever

>>170215235
Maybe you should play dcss, since you clearly have no interest in fun.

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>>170214891
Here's the list of my floppy disks btw
ohgod my inventory is so full

By the way, are there any good ways to steal from shops in PRIME other than just dumping a canister of antimatter on the shopkeeper's head? Their description hints that there is SOME way to shoplift without them noticing/caring. Teleporting out sort of works but it still angers the shopkeeper bot. Logic Bomb doesn't seem to affect them, and they're specifically immune to restraining bolts.

>>170214934
Remember, any kind of spoiler in any roguelike is cheating

you're cheating just by reading this thread

>>170215032
Amusingly enough, it is actually pretty easy to defeat, mainly because I had a lot of underleveled demons for its party.

>>170215614
wow grats

>>170215647

Breathing is a tedious no brainer, clearly breathing should be removed.

>>170211489
>>170211658
>>170211921
Thanks for the tips, although I think I'm a long way from doing any of that.

>>170205161
HOGl^Yred

>>170216829
Remember you can craft 2 wooden frames to make a 150 vol shopping cart to haul shit in so your enc is low enough to be decent at fighting. Using spears for reach attacks is gravy.

>>170205161
MiAr of pre-nerf 2pak/nem with pre-nerf disc

FUCKING RITEKEEPERS SPAWING FIREBALLS RIGHT INSIDE MY SCROTUM SCREEEEEE

>>170217749
FUCK THATS NOT THE RIGHT GENERAL

>>170217749
what gaem

>>170216496
a roguelike where you had to press B each turn to breathe or you'd suffocate to death would be preeeetty shitty

>>170216496

Just look at all the amount of members both Christianity and Islam. Even if they have different beliefs, surely all of them appreciate the tedium their Gods have created? Both of them surely has some form of praise for their God's "intelligent design" for all these tedium they experience in their daily lives. From the tedium of food and eating, tedium of drinking, tedium of relationships and communication, tedium of working, tedium of entertainment etc. this clearly proves that tedium itself is a form of intelligent and proper design. The workings of this world is clearly against the anti tedium game philosophy of Crawl.

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>>170194212

'You look a little shy: let me introduce you to that leg of mutton,' said the Red Queen. 'Alice—Mutton: Mutton—Alice.' The leg of mutton got up in the dish and made a little bow to Alice; and Alice returned the bow, not knowing whether to be frightened or amused.
'May I give you a slice?' she said, taking up the knife and fork, and looking from one Queen to the other.
'Certainly not,' the Red Queen said, very decidedly: 'it isn't etiquette to cut anyone you've been introduced to. Remove the joint!' And the waiters carried it off, and brought a large plum-pudding in its place.
'I won't be introduced to the pudding, please,' Alice said, rather hastily, 'or we shall get no dinner at all. May I give you some?'
But the Red Queen looked sulky, and growled 'Pudding—Alice: Alice—Pudding. Remove the pudding!' and the waiters took it away so quickly that Alice couldn't return its bow.
However, she didn't see why the Red Queen should be the only one to give orders; so, as an experiment, she called out 'Waiter! Bring back the pudding!' and there it was again in a moment, like a conjuring trick. It was so large that she couldn't help feeling a little shy with it, as she had been with the mutton; however, she conquered her shyness by a great effort, and cut a slice and handed it to the Red Queen.
'What impertinence!' said the Pudding. 'I wonder how you'd like it, if I were to cut a slice out of you, you creature!'
It spoke in a thick, suety sort of voice, and Alice hadn't a word to say in reply: she could only sit and look at it and gasp.
'Make a remark,' said the Red Queen: 'it's ridiculous to leave all the conversation to the pudding!'

>>170218626
bloodborne

>>170212240
I'll try that or the DsFi, sounds easy enough

>>170194212
Yeah, that's the one.

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ah fuck really
this lawyer stole my shit and apparently my gun is itemdestructioning my own stuff
(after this I swapped to the pea shooter to kill him without damaging anything else)

Let's design the worst roguelike ever

I'll start: Breathing necessary after every action

>>170221961
>Let's design the worst roguelike ever
Something about lolifags and tumtums.
That's a must.

>>170221961
Checkpoint after every breath where you restart if you die

>>170221961
>Let's design the worst roguelike ever
Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup

>>170221961
when you bump into an enemy you start an action combat sequence instead of just normally attacking them. The combat sequence is similiar to combat games like street fighter

Are wild effects supposed to proc on every hit? Because that's a lot of crazy bullshit.

>>170222341
Yes!

>>170221961

Roguelikes with savescumming. There's already tons of them but it doesn't hurt to have more

>>170221961
Some traps in the dungeon may instakill you

>>170222590
>>170221961
To add onto this, just add every trap from slex

>>170221961

roguelikes without tummy slash

>>170222385
Neat. I was losing interest in this swordsmaster because I'm having terrible luck with gear (not using lucky personality for once), but I think this'll give me a bit of a crutch for some harder areas.

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>>170223124
Literally all of them?

>>170223328
Anything that tracks individual body parts technically has it.

>>170221961
Needs to have some sort of freemium scheme.

>>170224073

Browser roguelikes then. 1 extra life for 5$, 6.99$ monthly subscription sounds good?

>>170224073
This guy got it
>>170224904
nono, has to be free to play. But you can get scrolls of enchanments, special weapons and trinkets for real money.

>>170225529
The subscription is to upgrade your account to Master Rogue, which lets you take turns as often as you want. Free players ("Supplicants") can only act every five seconds.

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Need advice in Unreal World.
I want to have my kota in the corner of this shore line, but I want to know if I make a fence around it if it will contain my reindeer?
Will the reindeer walk through the water and escape?

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i've discovered a seeeecret use for hacking disks

why dont the crawldevs remove humans for being too tolkien???

>>170228060
the name Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup is a bit bloated tb h, they should change it to just Crawl.

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FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOU
I was already with 4 runes and the orb, tried to escape and didn't last 2 floors, this would be the second time I would win, last time wasn't this hard to escape with this shitty orb

What the hell is a Tummy Slash?

>>170228619

rElec isn't important amirite guys lol

>>170225868
that would be super useful because I won't die anymore from overthinking. By mandating a five second tact, you could even implement a shitty multiplayer and sell @ skins.
Or better, make people pay to use @, otherwise give them emojis

I think artifact reforging is a ruse to make the game spawn something slightly better almost immediately.

>>170229000

It's an urban legend about an innate ability only available to female wolf tengus with exposed tummies that takes 0 (zero) tumcount to execute and affects all enemies on the 8 cardinal directions EV and hostility to 0

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i guess this guy was notRodney?

So I should equip that runesword I found in Lonely Mountain, right? It'll be worth it in the end as a craft caster, right?

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Sup Shodan
I have a plasma cannon so this will probably not be a long fight.

>>170231610
eh maybe? having aggravate on a caster is gonna be a pain because you rest for mana more
but the eventual huegdice will work well with weaponmastery and manabrand, and you always have spell telepathy so it's not like aggravate will be springing any huge surprises on you

I constantly go onto public servers and splat draconians at level 7 pre-lair so people instantly die to my draining breath all the time.

>>170221961
iOS only, and includes a real money auction house for players to sell their randarts.

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wait could I have just activated this when I picked it up instead of running all the way to level 1?

Not that it took much time, Infinite ctele is kind of nice.

>>170232510
Gz.

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oh nevermind it didn't do anything

so how the heck do I actually ascend

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>it's a sudden chill + frostbite + desiccation wraith

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Aha! The other one was a cheap plastic imitation!

And the real one really IS Bizzaro, not Bizzare

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>>170232037

>>170232510
>>170233176

wow grat

>>170233681
im literally retarded btw
that was the "bizaaro orgasmatron" and I need the "bizarro orgasmatron"
so I still don't have the right one

>>170233878
this fucking game man

>>170234196
also the items to teleport into and out of the final "mainframe" level are blue pills and red pills
except they're fucking consumable
and i only got 2 of them from killing the bofh

seriously what the fuck am i just in a permanently unwinnable game now?

>>170227620
Not right now, but the water will freeze in autumn and it will either escape or fall through the ice and drown.

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Dazzling lights mutation is pretty tight.

>>170238824
is that a wyrm pit
neat

>>170238194
>no swastika

I knew basic warriors were supposed to hit pretty hard, but this is nuts. I feel like I'm dual wielding trains.

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>Oops!

>>170240225
Only in half? That's pretty good for a 0d0 -10 weapon

>>170240143
If you mean pcb, you're one of like 3 that can dual wield 2-handers at max potential.

>>170240325
The other two being Berserker and "any random chump who finds Genji gloves or the Mephistopheles art"

>>170240325
Yup, PCB. Already have one decent-ish two hander (just a 2h flail of westernesse, but that'll do for only an hour in). Who else is good at that? I expect one of them's berserker.

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>>170240225
>>170240282
just took on a crystal drake, it was like wielding a pillow against it

>>170240463
go find a pack of orcs or trolls to eat
when your runesword's damage is still that low it can still benefit from killing low level chumps like that

>>170240463
Rune swords grow based on their own enchantment, not your level or anything like that. Go pick a fight with someone weaker than you.

Yo guys. It's been years since I played DCSS, but I was feeling it today so I'm playing the latest trunk and I realized the examine (x) command gives you a shitload of info on the monster. Like their health, armor, and shit. I'm pretty sure it hasn't always been this way. Am I just misremembering? It seems like too much information to give; like the kind of stuff I should have to look at a wiki for if I feel like cheating. Anyone know what's up with this?

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HAHAHAHAHA

we 2d2 eight eight now fellas

>>170240656
They added it. I haven't played in ages but it used to be a vague ++++ scale. If it gives numbers now good on them.

>>170240430
Daggermaster is good at dual-wielding.
I think swordmaster may be as well.

>>170240804
Well, that's one way to deal with the nerf bat stage.

Does Caves of Qud have any interesting NPC dynamics like Dwarf Fortress or are the factions mostly static and the focus is on the player?

Pirateable possessors for TE4 when?

>>170242054
If you like it that much just shovel some driveways and buy it fuck

>>170242196
no one will pay me

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>when a bloodcurse summons uniques on you but it teleported you away first so you can freely _destruct without worrying about hurting the Amberite's loot

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Smile! :)

Also, the Amy is working on a new slex version that is planned to come out soon. It will have some more interesting traps, including one that summons Rodney prematurely, and other stuff that invokes "what the hell was the developer woman smoking?" when players read about it.

>>170242394
Shovel their driveway, demand payment, and when they call the police, who are the cops going to believe, the guy who's not paying or the guy who just shoveled the driveway?

>>170204007
iirc ninja can it too, dunno how late

>>170242748
it's not cops business though to make them pay, you should sue them and without a job contract it will be hard to succeed

>>170243758
just pull yourself up by your bootstraps or something

>>170243815
gg, 4chan changed my life

>>170221961
Dev team has some people propose good changes that keep you around, hoping things will improve, genuinely have fun once in a while.
But then other part of the dev team shoots all the good ideas and introduces horrible shit that no one but them wants.

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>>170245008

Hmm....

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Being invincible is pretty okay.

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wew this class was so hard but 10/10 very tactical

>>170248496
What's your weapon?

>>170249382
http://angband.oook.cz/ladder-show.php?id=20402
Silver Chariot and Rapier of the Duelist.

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Is there a way to check the detailed stats of a monster i'm with as a ring?

>>170252883
Press r.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y94GLSGVRWg

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>Run's going great
>suddently, something invisible melees me for half my HP
what
>fireball
WHAT

What even is this thing
I haven't been here for 600 turns yet and it spawned
what the hell

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Somehow I read-id'd blinking and I didn't die

this is good

What the hell was that? A player ghost?

Oh.
Erolcha.

>>170258690
gj retard you died to a bat

>>170261616
Actually I died to a Hill giant with a reaching club of major energy randomization.

>one tile of free space between me and him
>go up the stairs
>haha nope the hill giant hits you with a large club because he doublemoved

GG no re

>>170261773

That isn't a doubleturn. Going up the stairs need 25 aut. 1 tile only saves you 10 aut

>>170262236
>1 tile only saves you 10 aut
Ackthually moving 1 tile and swinging the club at 1.6 is more than 25 auts.
Basically it shouldn't have happened, but energy randomization fuckery made it happen.

>>170133505
What's with the shitty font?
I remember it being much nicer.

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>>170262368

seems to happen often enough

>>170263330
so what's the thing
do not try to stairscum hillbillies
oh wait they removed already

>>170263454

Always ensure 2 (two) tiles for 2 (two) int stairscumming.

>>170263994
but you can't get two tiles away when you're trying to be a scummy mummy
it's either 0 or 1

>>170264083

Stairscumming is the safest and less tedious scumming since just have to press < whenever you see a dangerous son of a h*ck and you can even evoke feet 7 (seven) tiles away. If there's a stairspawn sent beside you then press < and just look for another downstairs to scum.

This is why scrolls of noise, shouting and noisy spells are too good for this game. Just make noise at all 3 downstairs and its vicinity then press 5 to wait for the wandering freexps to pass by.