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/lisg/ - Life is Strange General #478

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''All roads lead to Pricefield'' Edition

Previous Thread: >>169403668

Life is Strange is an episodic interactive drama from DONTNOD Entertainment. Set in the Pacific Northwest in the town of Arcadia Bay, the player follows the story of Maxine Caulfield and her seemingly newfound ability to turn hella gay and rewind time. At the prestigious Blackwell Academy, Max must prepare with Chloe Price for the incoming storm of returning to her hometown after five years. Available on Steam, PSN and Xbox Live.

>Official Website:
http://lifeisstrange.com

>Steam:
http://store.steampowered.com/app/319630
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/4chanlisg

>/lisg/ Permalink:
http://orph.link/lisg

>FAQs, Old Threads/Strawpolls, Soundtrack/Music & Leaks:
http://orph.link/lisgarchive (UPDATED)

>/lisg/ Community Written Fan Fiction (Continuation WHEN):
http://orph.link/story

>Compilation of Fanfics:
http://orph.link/fanfic

>/lisg/ Content Producers:
http://imgur.com/a/DOAKn

>/lisg/ sings:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=pQJgF3NToUg
http://youtube.com/watch?v=WjPsOkijFh0

>Strawpolls:
http://strawpoll.me/11965358
http://strawpoll.me/12158769
http://strawpoll.me/12253094
http://strawpoll.me/12253109
http://strawpoll.me/12405766
http://strawpoll.me/12416723
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BFFs, Pirates, Partners in Time & Crime & In Love, Fellow Dorks, GFs, Wives.
OTP.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhvZxmgLfNA
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>>169752745
What mood? They're gal pals?

CHOO CHOO!
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Max is #1
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>>169752913
They're friends
Girlfriends
And Kate would be happy for the two of them.
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>>169753040
But their relationship is a sin!
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>>169752913
Warren: Max said she and Chloe would be at the train tracks. I wonder were they'd be. Don't they want to hear the choo, choo?

>pic related
>spoiler for ludeness
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>>169752607
Before Episode 5's release:
>Lol Mari's theories're shitty.It's way more than shitty to become true
>Chloe has to die thing doesn't make sense.Don't worry they will come with unpredictable story
>We're gonna learn everything about Max's powers,Rachel and Prescotts even Nathan,spirit animals..
>Jefferson knows about Max's powers
>Nathan,Frank,David or Samuel's gonna save us
>Victoria's with Max,she'll save her
>(After seeing Cemetery scene from leaks) I'm sure it'll be Williams,Rachel's or Kate's grave.
>Rachel's the doe and Butterfly and probably we'll see her in Max's dream
>Blue Jay's Chloe

After Episode 5's release:
>Mari's shitty cliche theory became right
>We visited the SF art gallery for 3 seconds. FOR 3 DAMN SECONDS
>Jefferson became a silly bad guy from Disney
>David came to save us.He's a former-soldier but he can't even fight,just listens teenager's orders. Even he doesn't know she has some time travel powers.
>Victoria's with us in the dark room.Laying there and we can talk her or not.Just it.
>Nathan get killed,Victoria too
>Nathan knew something about the storm but they cut it.
>Warren explained Max's powers(!)(thanks warryn) We found out her power causes/related with Chaos Theory and storm.It's not like we didn't know or something.
>Storm is only coming for Bay because Chloe lives in there but Max's the one who keep changes the time
>Prescotts story erased.Nobody even mention their name.
>Rachel's story fucked too.She isn't or butterfly,bluejay just spiritualdoe
>Spirit animals thing died.Blue Butterfly's storm summoner just it.
>Chloe dies again in one of endings (unpredictable) It gives you a lesson: You shouldn't have used your power.And you shouldn't play this game.Now erase your choices and cry like a bitch.
>Chloe has to die thing comes true, Cemetery scene explained with that.
>The other ending's short but it's less cliché than other.We saved Chloe,storm's hit the town and gone.That's it
>Epilogue: Use ur imaginations:)muh budget
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>>169753040
>And Kate would be happy for the two of them.
No she wouldn't. She'd envy them and be upset that she'll never have someone who feels so deeply for her.
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>As Max and Chloe are leaving the ruins of Arcadia Bay behind, there's one more tragic story unfolding
>Alice and Lisa stuck in Max's room, Alice hasn't eaten anything in days, the dorms are destroyed and no one comes looking for them
>"No one's gonna come save us, this is the end, we'll starve to death..."
>Alice...you can survive this and go back to your owner. All you have to do is... all you have to do is eat me."
>"What? No, fuck that. Lisa, you're my number one priority, I'm not eating you!"
>"Alice, think about it... how many times this week did you try to nibble my leafs? I'm a plant, Alice, you're a bunny, maybe it's time I accept my destiny... OUR destiny."
>"Lisa, I can't make this choice!"
>"No Alice, you're the only one who can"

>eat Lisa
https://instaud.io/kVV

>eat your own foot
https://instaud.io/kWb
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>>169753097
>>169753040
BEGONE FOUL SINNERS!

>>169753291
I would never envy the hedonistic sluts false romance, nor would I envy their soft palms, slender fingers or the taught grip of their intertwined hands...

No! I will not sin! Death to the sinners!
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>>169753097
Nah. Kate's cool. She knows Max, and to see how happy Max is with Chloe would prove their relationship is a good thing.
Kate would hope to find a love just as strong one day with whoever is lucky enough to attract her attention.
Maybe Kate's aunt would say something if she spotted a Pricefield, but Kate (If she was around or heard of it) would tell her to back off and leave her friends alone.
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>>169753443
>Kate would hope to find a love just as strong one day

She says Warren is a nice guy and a cutie-pie. Where is the Grahammarsh love? He'd take her name is she'd hold hands with his beaker.
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:^)
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You are not Kate. Stop impersonating her.
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>>169753417
You are my favourite tripfag. <3
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>>169753557
>Not switching Grahamfield and Pricefield around.
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>>169753557
>high brain activity

Scarlett Johansson better not play Max or Chloe.
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>friendly reminder that turning off your game is the confirmed canon ending
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>>169753542
She says that but I don't think she knows him as more than an acquaintance. Maybe they'd get along, maybe not.
Nothing says Kate is restricted to Arcadia Bay or has to find who she will spend her life with at such a young age.
Not every love will be like Max's and Chloe's.
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>World'sBayest once again changing their name to shitpost and then going back to being Anon to pat themselves on the back
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>Thinking Kate would support Pricefield or any gay relationship.
She would just stop being Max's friend.
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>>169753557
See, the irregular proportional ranking of the romantic manifesto would be irrevocably ignored, but rather than acceptance of gratuity in deadpan jest, I commend your subversion of taboo in a semi-personalized previous ranking leading apropos to the visual punchline in "Jefferfield".
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>>169753950
What absolute nonsense.
One of the biggest things about Kate's character is showing she is NOT some stereotype. She has her own thoughts and beliefs that are not necessarily shared by her church.
There's no way she would ditch Max's friendship, the girl who actually saved her because of something that trivial.

You're either shitposting or taking the simplification/ idealization to an extreme level
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>>169753557
:^^)
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>>169754624
Most of the school didn't really like Kate because she was kinda pushy with her beliefs. So it's not out of the realm of possibilities that she would ditch Max for committing such a perverse sin. What if it corrupts her too?
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>>169754891
"Most of the school" didn't have a problem with Kate and only jumped on her because the Vortex Club did. Others following who they saw as the cool kids. Once Max becomes the cool one then you start to see a push back against the Vortex Club.

There is not a single piece of evidence Kate was pushy with her beliefs or that she would abandon Max's friendship. There is nothing corrupting about it. Whatever Kate believed was her own personal beliefs, she didn't go around campus demanding others follow in her footsteps, she ran/attended clubs where people could voluntarily come if they wanted.
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>>169753950
No she wouldn't.
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>>169753897
There's a script for that, and no. I did not.
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Butterfly cookies!
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>>169756684
That's awesome! Cookies look good.
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>>169755893
>>169755926
Denial. The foundation of /lisg/.
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*Headphones recommended*
http://www.youtubemultiplier.com/58a66a41b1fb7-lisg-pricefield-shore.php

There's no sixth video it's just an empty spot
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>>169757503
>"Oh wow Max thank you so much for believing me about my story, saving me on the roof with you honesty and reassuring words, and for busting Jefferson and Nathan to prove I was a victim. Oh....? You like Chloe? But that's a sin. Sorry not talking to you anymore, repent or burn in hell" - Kate according you you
There is no denial. You are just retarded.
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>>169757619
>There's no sixth video it's just an empty spot
>an empty spot

I read that as an empty slot to be filled with Chloe's dickfingers.
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>>169757840
>Implying any of that can be canon when Bay: Chloe dies and when Bae: Everyone dies.
But if you want to go with your fanfiction canon, then I guess you can make Kate OOC and say she'll support Max's and Chloe's relationship.
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>>169757840
>There is no denial. You are just retarded.

Kate is the head of a Bible study group and comes from an extremely conservative family. She quotes Bible scripture and is driven to suicide when a video of her making out with multiple dudes, not outlandish behavior for a young woman her age, is posted on the internet. Granted the video was taken against her will, but still. She's not the tolerant Christian everyone makes her out to be.

Hence, Kate Marsh, Evangelical Republican.
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>>169758367
>She's not the tolerant Christian everyone makes her out to be

You haven't presented any evidence for this, you've only stated that she has a set of core beliefs that we've only seen her hold herself to.

An intolerant christian is one who judges others and insist they change their lives in order to fit their beliefs, Kate is portrayed as meek, quite soft and generally kind.
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>>169758710
>Kate is portrayed as meek, quite soft and generally kind.
Doesn't mean she isn't judgmental internally.
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>>169758839
But there is no evidence of that at all within the games.
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>>169759005
Head of a Bible study group? Isn't there a line of inner dialogue by Max about some people thinking Kate is pushy with her beliefs?
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>>169758839
And that doesn't mean she's going to destroy close friendships because of harmless choices.
But you still have presented not a single bit of evidence that Kate would be against a same-sex relationship, especially when it involves one of her friends being so much happier than she has ever been.
You've just boiled down Kate into a single "Christian" caricature like has been done with Chloe's "punk".

Kate's reaction to the video was not because of her religion, it was because of the reaction. Kate prided herself on who she was and suddenly it's challenged by everyone, maybe even to an extent by Kate herself.
If she was an atheist she would have ended up on the roof because people she thought cared about her turned on her and because she was dealing with the fact something happened to her and she didn't full know what. That's not a reaction based on faith, that's a reaction to what she perceived as life-ruining stress.
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>>169759005
He's got you with this >>169759225, anon.
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>>169759273
But we aren't talking about the video, senpai. We're talking about Kate herself and her beliefs.
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>>169759225
No, there isn't a line like that.
Kate runs a club and attends a few others. There's nothing pushy about that.
This conversation has been had before.

Being a participant or having a personal belief/moral does not make someone a fanatic. Kate's aunt (and possibly her mother) is more fanatical and Kate is clearly displeased with that kind of reaction. It's what contributes to putting her on the edge.
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>>169759308
>>169759225
Well that can be interpreted in a couple of ways.

The first being that yes, there are some people who she tried to push her religion onto, which does contradict how she is portrayed in the game.

The alternative is that people think Kate is pushy for having a bible study group and construe polite invitation as being pushy.

The problem is that its quite vague and relies on how other people feel being reliable. But again, this is a single line of inconsequential dialogue that isn't supported by anything else in the game.
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>>169757840
Ignore retards.

One thing is for sure: None of the characters would ever be friends with these shitheads (this one samefagging shithead).
Even Kate would dislike people that like to talk bull shit about her and others on the internet.
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>>169759721
>Being this much in denial.
Just admit Kate wouldn't have a very good opinion on homosexuality from her heavily religious upbringing.
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>>169759426
And there's no indication Kate is how you present her to be.
There's the potential she judges people internally, but in a realistic sense it would be nowhere near the level you claim, if at any level. Kate is not like that.
There's plenty of things going on at Blackwell that Kate may personally oppose to, but those engaging in those acts are not her so she leaves them be.
She's not going around campus demanding people stop drinking or using drugs- she just doesn't use them herself. She's not going around yelling at people for having sex- she just chooses not to have it herself. She's not demanding everyone convert to being vegetarian/ vegan. She's not yelling at Max for being friends with a girl who has blue hair and tattoos- By Chloe's own words, Kate seems cool, and Chloe is wary of nearly everyone she meets.
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>>169759721
I'm done. I made my final point. The last few weeks have had some very dedicated trolls or people just completely missing things, or willingly ignoring them.
It's decreased the overall comfy level.

But that's what the nice images are for!
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>>169760096
I'm sorry that different opinions that have facts to back them up scare you so much. People disagree with me and I don't consider them trolls on that merit.
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If you want people to take you seriously or even share your beliefs then have some evidence for your claims.
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>>169760730
Who are you referring to?
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>>169760814
Everyone in general.
You can have an opinion or idea but don't expect anyone to react positively to it if all you cannot provide substance to it.
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>>169759887
Yes, Kate is of course shown as a person that would stop being friends with someone that saved her life and that she calls an angel because their love does not conform to her beliefs.
Let us ignore the fact that Stella, her friend, does also not conform to them and ignore furthermore the entire game altogether that does not at any single point show her to be intolerant or against people because of her beliefs, and just say something because we are retards.
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Did someone say Stella?
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>>169761250
She even says Victoria was nice and that she forgave her. Forgiving the person who was one of the main bullies and spreaders of the video.
The only one Kate shows any dislike towards throughout the game is Nathan. Which is entirely justified.
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>>169762574
>That cuddling
>Chloe looking totally content and at peace
>Max lockscreen on her phone
Cute
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What are some of /lisg/'s other favorite characters from non LiS material? Any consistent traits you like across different sources? Or maybe pairings.
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>>169766272
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>>169767440
Chloe knew from a young age what she wanted.
William and Joyce probably realized as well who their daughter liked. Now that Chloe are Max are older, Joyce couldn't be happier for them and knows William would be too.
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>>169765336
I can see Chloe being friends with Zoe from L4D, Max and Lara Croft would share a lot of stories

Scott Shelby would rape Jefferson to suicide in prison
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>>169768435
That would certainly be interesting
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R- Rabbit ears?!
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Max, he's right behind you!
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>>169770401
Jefferfield > Pricefield
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>>169769863
Probably just some silly headband they saw while out at the mall
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>>169771705
>t.Jefferson
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>>169770401
>>169771705
Max, don't move. Stay calm and stay still. I'll take care of him.
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>>169771903
Uhh, y-you that shotgun with slug rounds, r-right Chloe?
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>>169772078
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>>169772078
>>169772209
*you loaded
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>>169772078
Of course she does.
Or Max could pause time, walk out of the path, and Chloe could ventilate Jeffershit with shot.
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>>169770401
>Life is Strange: Part 2.
>Jefferson: "Are you really going to go through with this?"
>Max: "I'm going to find and I'm going to rewind every last one of them."
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Jefferson did nothing wrong.
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>>169772857
You know that's not true
He objectively did everything wrong from any angle you look at it
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>>169773156
He's just an artist!
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>>169773293
And he breaks every rule he establishes and does the exact same things he criticizes
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What are they playing?
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>>169774203
Obstacles or the song titled after them, which to them is just something they come up with
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why do i like this game so much
its not even that good
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>>169774998
It is a pale imitation of a life you can never lead, a brief glimpse into a world you can never inhabit.
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>>169774998
It was great until the Dark Room is found and then it just tumbles downhill by explaining nothing, giving no reason to believe what is being suggested, or just having the characters act oddly when there are far better and more obvious courses of action.
It doesn't count for much when a 'Make choices' game forces me to go along with some very silly actions.
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>>169773590
So do Michel and the other devs
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>>169772471
>Jefferson holding Max hostage
>Chloe pointing gun at Jefferson but she cannot guarantee the shot
>Max screams "Chloe shoot!"
>Freezes time
>Get outs of Jefferson's grasp
>Max steps a few feet away and resumes time
>Jefferson has just enough time to register what happened and scream "WHAT HAPPE-"
>Chloe blasts him
Or Max could take Jefferson's gun and turn the tables if she wanted to capture him alive.
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>Get kidnapped by Jefferson in the dark room
>No graphic sex scene of Jefferson penetrating Victoria and Max while they're drugged
May as well just let us go ape with this bullshit, devs
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Disgusting.
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>>169777292
Unfortunately, a webm of that exists if you're sick enough to find it, Nathan.
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cuddling and dreaming together
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Warren is Elliot Rodger.
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>>169780819
nah, he's nowhere near as based
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tfw when I have this as my desktop...
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>>169781275
Kill yourself, nice guy.
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>>169781803
>guy

I'm actually a devout christian girl attending blackwell academy

Also, bye
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>>169779995
Damn right.
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Someone paint a picture with Max's Teddy, with the lyrics, "I can't seem to see through solid marble eyes."
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>>169781953
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>>169781957
This is so fucking cute.
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>>169786067
Link?

I need to laugh.
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>>169786147
http://archiveofourown.org/works/5957368/chapters/13725087

Try not to get too invested in it - the author's stopped writing it.
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>>169781957
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>>169786325
Perfect
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>>169786308
https://m.fanfiction.net/s/11803563/1/You-Never-Forget-Your-First-Time

"I need you facefuck me so hard it's like you're punching my throat with your dick."

Why would people write this.
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>>169786514
>trans woman headcanon
I don't know what to think anymore
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>>169786308
>Those tags
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>>169786646
A baseless headcannon.

Chloe doesn't like dick, either. Reeeeeeee
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>>169786325
=kek
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>>169779995
Cute
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>>169793072
w-what lewd things do Alice and Lisa do together?
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>>169794276
Alice likes to keep Lisa fresh and hydrated.
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>>169794778
REWIND THIS
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>>169750342
>I was referring to the entire argument.
But I wasn't. I was specifically saying the bus argument is a little silly.

I stick to my "argument" that the condoms don't have to mean Chloe was fucking around, could just as well be leftovers. Which is not at all silly; going from condoms to say she's fucking around or a prostitute is more than silly. Prostitution is baseless counter-canon bullshit, sleeping around is just characterally and narratively inconsistent.

>Cars run with broken parts.
What parts are broken? Remember, you were the one saying it needs repairs, my argument that it had been repaired is just obvious canonical suggestion. What is so broken about it that she'd have to take the bus?

This argument is useless. I already said that she could have taken the bus for any number of reasons. The tickets do indeed not prove that the stuff is years old.

>I meant sexually fluid
1. I don't remember her having said that. 2. ...And?

>I don't have to say more.
As I have pointed out ad infinitum, her hooking up with guys, and her being into hookups at all anymore, let alone for "fun", goes against my very characterization of her. It goes against what she outright says, and against my reading of her character. That she does want meaningful, emotional connections, and does not separate the physical from that, and thus considers her outgoing phases stupid, herself saved from them, and stopped because she realized those physical connections don't give her what she wants and are gross due to precisely that disconnect she experienced. She calls them stupid, gross, considers herself saved, regrets them. Why do you think does she says all this, if it was fun and games for her, that you think she could still be doing even now?
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>>169750342
What is your characterization of her that makes you think it's possible she fucked around for fun and still was, even after having met Rachel, when she was clearly infatuated with her and pissed off that Rachel had been seeing other people when they were not even a thing? How does that go together with her complexes, with what she says, with the Rachel situation?

So you think the devs made her outright lie multiple times about being over her phases? Why would they do that? She was honest about everything from the get-go, even about her fuck-ups and outgoing phases at all. And you think she was also a disgusting hypocrite that fucked around for fun, but got sick at the idea that Rachel posed for Frank? You think this emotionally hurt girl that was yearning for a close connection and had already had sexually outgoing phases that did not give her that, that Rachel had precisely "saved" her from, did now still go out for sex, while Rachel was around and while she was searching for her? How, why? Where does this idea of Chloe Price of yours come from? You take two condoms and break with her characterization and narrative just because of that. I admit that I project a little, but my reading of her character is clearly in the game. I just don't see yours - the lying, cheating, dishonest, hypocritical, horny gal that sleeps around for fun in a small town.

So no, I do not take her for someone that would have slept with a man for fun - not in her past (again, I think that also was not about fun, not primarily by any stretch, anyway), but absolutely not at that point. And I'm not sure you understand what daddy issues are. You can't just throw that term there and say it fits this very specifically characterized situation. Mourning your father's death does not naturally translate into sexual attraction towards men of your father's age. It's of course not impossible Jefferson could be physically attractive to her. That wasn't what my point was about though.
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>>169750342
>You've never said what she was holding onto them for.
Safety. I do not think she made a holy oath with herself or Rachel not to ever sleep with a guy again. Why go and explicitly throw them out, if there's even only a sliver of a chance you could be needing them? And she could be needing them for lesbian sex too. Do you really not know that countless not-sexually-active people have condoms? Not only priests don't have them. Hell, even they do.

>never spoke about the frequency.
You said the bar is where she would be usually picking clients up. That's just outrageous fantasizing on top of something that already is baseless, counter-canon bullshit.
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>>169750342
>Sex isn't always tied to emotion
I think for Chloe, it is. Again, we do absolutely know that emotionality is tied to sexuality for her - she loves Max and is sexually shy and sensitive with her. I don't think my idea then that sex in turn is also an emotional thing for her is unreasonable, especially when we consider her characterization and what she outright says. Even without going into the nuances of my characterization of her, you will certainly agree abandonment is a huge issue for her. Fear of separating from people, issues with her self-worth, yearning for someone that values her emotionally, as a person, and sticks to her, stays with her. So why would she enjoy fucking around, physical connections to people that are precisely about not valuing someone as a person emotionally, precisely about not sticking around? It is way more reasonable even just with that one aspect of her character alone to say her having sought such physical connections in her past was done in a desperate, naive attempt to find someone that values her as a person, and sticks around, emotional connections.

She did not find that, that's why she calls it stupid and gross and regrets it. Then she found something like it with Rachel, says she "saved" her, made her ultimately realize what fulfils her, emotional, sentimental, meaningful connections, and women. Obviously then still yearning, for a connection like she had had with Max, because Rachel didn't, couldn't fulfil that. Finding then what she had been yearning for, what she had lost, what she needed and wanted, with Max. And more.
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>>169748829
>>169751263
Not sure you mean me with the "confused anon" - I didn't talk about dev intention. I talked about what I see and don't see in the actual game. But if we make it about dev intention:

Why doesn't saving other people create more chaos, then? Why doesn't it try to kill them? Then we are back at a picky, i. e. sentient, universe.

Why does the universe keep trying to kill Chloe, as is your view, if it couldn't hope to restore balance that way?

Why then didn't the devs show anywhere in the narrative something that actually suggests Chloe is tied to the storm? That would have been very easy, but they did the opposite. They showed us a universe where the universe doesn't try to kill Chloe (if we believe her almost-deaths are the universe's doing), and the storm still came. They showed us one where it could have killed Chloe, but didn't, and it came. They showed us one where she does die, and it still comes.

They could have shown things getting worse in direct conjunction with us saving her, shown that things get better where she does die/is dying, could have altogether made an AU where she is dead and the storm doesn't come.

I do think they could perhaps have had the idea that Chloe is "destined" to die. That doesn't translate into a sentient universe and a storm of madness though. The reality of the game is just that there is no clarity about this, that the storm could have a number of reasons completely outside of Chloe, many of them directly suggested in the game, and the devs precisely intended for there not to be such clarity. This is not a logical, consistent sci-fi narrative. They call it magical realism, and they absolutely intended that it ends on friday, with the storm and the message of either ending. They did not intend to say there would be a storm in Bay, or Chloe would keep dying in Bae. That goes against the prime intention with this story: conveying a message, a meaning, something that relates to real life, something human.
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EP3 stream when?!
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I LOVE MAX AND CHLOE
I AM NOT A ROBOT
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Warren did quite a few things wrong.
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Good evening, eng anonymouses! Wanna join your conversations about LiS, because of lack of activity in the same thread on russian chan %%and because I need some practice in English:(%%

Don't you know some good sites with different reviews and articles about this game?
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>>169781957
Makes the Priceless team Max and Chloe for the series!
Maybe they can speak English or Hannah and Ashly can dub lines and they can act them!
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>>169804138
Hey, I sometimes steal those quirky music wembs from you!

Like so: http://arhivach.org/storage/4/e1/4e1ca3c1640784239d41600e892efd4e.webm

So I'll give you... this: http://kotaku.com/tag/life-is-strange

Can't say I've read those articles, or many LiS articles in a while at all, but it seems as good a place as any to read some lengthier english press stuff about the game.
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>>169804828
Yeah, we have hella original content.

TY for the link, gotta check this articles out, but for the firs sight they seems to be a little bit outdated..
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>>169804828
Somehow Kotaku managed to be tolerable in their coverage of LiS. This game brings out the best in everyone- such is the power of Max.
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>>169809451
*chu*
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>>169808670
That's uncanny valley territory.
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>>169808670
I think of Youngchosugar's animations like for Christmas, or her birthday, someone got Max a camcorder. So she films a bunch of little moments of her and Chloe's life.
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>>169811298
Max's mom got her the video camera
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The only thing I found a little disappointing is that Youngecho always uses the flannel outift for Max.
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There's a few color variations. The outfit itself looks good on Max.
the only one I have a little bit of an objection to is the red flannel because that was explicitly Rachel's. She doesn't like Max stealing her clothes, she needs them and it's hard to find good stores around Arcadia Bay!
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>>169778712
Not them, but I had the wonderful experience of being linked one of Max being shot in the head and raped :,^)
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>169817187
You're sick
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Max can borrow Rachel's clothes, but she has to give them back when she's done. Which she does.
Chloe's the one who will borrow something and then forget to give it back.
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>>169817386
I didn't want it anymore than you did.
Granted, sarcasm on the internet is hard.
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>>169765336
I don't think there are characters I liked quite in a way I do LiS characters.

Holden, I suppose. Don Quixote, in a vague way. Some unspecific YA protagonists that I can't think of right now, like the one in "Twelve" and one or two female ones I can't even remember the books' name of. One was a young violin player. At most, it were minor side characters in literature that had a sort of volatile authenticity to them that I could relate to - small and transient yet meaningful moments that I adored, and then adored the characters for them, because as "environmental noise" in the narrative, they seemed alive in a way characters only seldom manage to. Which is one way in which LiS creates characters that I find very praiseworthy: alive. In their authenticity and personality (in both a narratively-distinctive, but also a personal sense, i. e. how they relate to you, as if they are close to you), but also their physicality, idiosyncracy. Obviously it helps that it is a visual medium, and more, this one specifically designed to allow visual projection, adding your own memory and association and imagery in-between the stylized, abstracted visuals. Which is all the more powerful in retrospect, in thinking back on the game it feels even more alive.

In film and video games, I can't say anyone's ever seriously stuck with me.

Max and Chloe start out seemingly stereotypically, but they very much come into their own, and are unique characters that I have a hard time finding comparison to; their dynamic and relationship is even harder to compare to anything else I've experienced, and I definitely care about them more, as characters, than I've ever done with any other fiction. But it is obviously hard to find something that compares even just in format: modern, same-sex, (childhood-)friends-to-lovers, visual novel, character-centric, narrative-heavy coming-of-age romance with supernatural, mystery, crime and drama elements.
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>>169818857
Don't even mention that stuff here in a joking way. It has no place or relevancy.
Leave it to the pervs on /b/, /aco/, and wherever else.
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>>169821267
>Which is all the more powerful in retrospect, in thinking back on the game it feels even more alive.
Effectful in retrospect rather; feeling more alive and personal, like a memory of something you've actually experienced, places you've been, people you've met and connected to.

Other video games and film have never had that quality for me, not to this effect. Literature does feel more personal and intimate to me, but not often in a real connection to the characters and world and narrative - often, more to the author, the idea-haver behind the creation. After reading books that had a personal effect on me, that were intimate experiences, I almost always go to studying the author, any interviews, biographies, other works and an essence of the author that runs through them, try to get them as humans and explore that connection to them the book made me feel.

I do not at all feel this way about the creators behind LiS. I couldn't care less about their personal lives and personality.
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>>169809512
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>>169824454
"What's that, little squirrel? Samuel fell down a well? Oh dear. I should bring him the ladder."

>>169824493
Chloe's eyes are so blue! Pretty!
Shame about the textures on the clothing. Some people make them way too defined and it just ends up looking odd or uncomfortable.
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Kate is #1
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>>169827669
No, she isn't because Max is >>169753034
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What would Life is Strange be like if it had been written by David Cage?
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>>169828507
Dont know, never played heavy rain, is it any good?
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>>169827873
All of the girls are #1 at something
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>>169828507
It's good, but nothing special. I was wondering because of how infamous David is amongst the gaming community
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>>169828957
meant to reply to >>169828602, my bad
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>>169827873
Sorry but that post is incorrect.

Kate is obviously #1.
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>>169828507
It might have been shorter, darker, less comfy, but with more "gameplay", actual endings, and replayability.

My dream writing team would've been him with David Lynch and Max Landis (dialogue only)
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>>169828507
>What if David Cage had been in charge of life is strange?
The "Max taking a shower scene" in ep 2 would have been interactive, and had frontal nudity.
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>>169831131
>skill checks while taking a shower and brushing your teeth
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>>169831375
>Fail the brush your teeth QTE
>Stick your toothbrush up your nose
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>>169832476
Max is pretty clumsy
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>>169831375
>>169832476
>>169832549

>>Wowser, I better rewind

Hell, he'd make the rewind a motion control mini-game.
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>>169828507
There would definitely be an interactive make-out scene between Max and Mr. Jefferson in the dark room, David Cage seems fucked up enough to actually do something like that
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>>169831131
>option to save Kate from being bullied by Victoria and Taylor during shower scene
>Max can drag Kate behind the shower curtain before Victoria and Taylor show up
>Kate ends up pinned against the wall with Max's warm, wet body pressed hard against her
>(there's not much room in the shower)
>actually makes the roof scene more difficult, because Kate's now going through a gay panic as well as depression
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>>169832871
>>169833382
>>169833687
That all sounds awful.
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>>169828507
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B88KTqije1s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ek1hJmsHjys
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>>169828507
>>169835018
Fact: Nobody else could have made this game. I have my fair doubts that even dontnod themselves will be able to create something like it, again. Not least for the unpretentious and modest-yet-earnest mindset it was borne from; there's a naivity, an unforcedness to the game that gives much of it its unique charm. It stems from the fact that they were really not looking for this title to do all that much: it was one of various ideas, a spinoff of a mechanic in their first title, they were throwing ideas at publishers and most of all just wanted something to stick, but stick in a way they wanted, keeping to their integrity. I guess scoring a deal with Square was a big thing, but it was still a small title with its own little motivations and niche they thought it'd fall in.

I'm glad they managed to keep the game its own for all the time where the unexpected levels of success began... but I think this success is one of the reasons why towards the end, it already started to stop feeling like itself. So with regards to a second season, I have my doubts - among other reasons - for this reason. I'm still fairly hopeful as well, though.
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>>169836909
Max is right handed though.
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>>169836909
>TD, pointed in safe direction, ready to be raised if needed.
Good job, girls! Just get some ear plugs and glasses if you have time.
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>>169837029
That position is correct for a right-handed person.
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>>169837396
No she's holding it as if she was left handed.

Not that it really matters, I now realize that this is a "The Last of Us" tribute. I don't own a playstation so I don't remember ever seeing that artwork before.
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>>169837846
Oh now I see it now. I was thinking of it from a mirrored view... but then mirroring it again to somehow think it was right. I over though it way too much.
I'm an idiot.
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>>169838136
No problem. When you said that the position was normal for a righthanded person I had to go back and stare really hard at the pic just to see if I was going crazy or not haha.
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>>169838136
Chloe, on the other hand (hehe), is left-handed. So she shouldn't have that revolver in her right hand!

Posting a weird, funny comic.
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Can you spot a familiar face, /lisg/?
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>>169840808
Gee, I wonder what board made this.
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>>169840808
Father Elijah had the same problem as all the other FNV characters. He thought that killing and enslaving people in the name of utopia would be ok as long as he was the one doing it.
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>>169840808
Bloody Baron did many things wrong.
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>>169838531
Oh Max.

>>169840808
Oh hey. That photographer from the 90s. I can't remember his name.
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>>169840808
Big Smoke did a lot of things wrong.
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>>169836909
Life is Strange: When You've Been Left 4 Dead.

Mod when?


>>169836028
I'm hoping it ends up like the Velvet Underground, not everyone played it, but everyone who did designed a game.

>>169830758
>Max Landis

Fuck that pretentious sell out. The dialogue was fine if not phenomenal aside from a few lines of intrusive designer direction "Dance or take my picture" thrown onto Chloe to keep the plot moving.

>>169841502
>Oh hey. That photographer from the 90s. I can't remember his name.
Isn't he in prison now?
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>>169841808
>>169841501
>*wrongly
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>>169842095
>Isn't he in prison now?
I think so. Something about drugging girls.
Happened around the same time as that tornado in Oregon, supposedly he got busted by two teenagers- what a jackass.
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>>169841808
>Ordering a shit-ton of food
>Only one soda
Fucking smoke, he'll never learn
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>>169843002
>Happened around the same time as that tornado in Oregon, supposedly he got busted by two teenagers- what a jackass.
I heard it was one of his teenage photography students. Tornadoes in Oregon are pretty rare. I think would've heard about that.
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>>169843223
Heard about a curse on that town. Native American shit, and dead birds. Maybe the student was psychic, kek.
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>>169843223
There was one back in 2013. It was pretty small and did a little bit of damage, killed like five people, so I'd be surprised if people from outside the area heard of it.
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>>169843002
>"Tornado hit oregon"
I think i remeber seeing something like that in the newspaper.
"Derisively labelled the worst disaster since you last had a flat tyre, a huge but ridiculously weak tornado cut a swath through the small town of Arcadia Bay, Oregon, leaving in its path piles of loose timber and perplexing damage assessors: since no buildings were actually destroyed, and the tornado lacked the windspeed to even push over a billboard, the source of all this wood could not be determined. The head of the recovery effort, when questioned by reporters on this freak appearance of timber, conceded that 'perhaps we'll just have to use our imaginations'. The mysterious timber was later collected by authorities and used to speed the rebuilding process. All services were restored within a week."
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>>169843546
That was Max Caulfield, an up and coming photographer. You should see her work if you get a chance.
She has this blue haired girlfriend and the two of them look adorable together.
As for being psychic? Who knows. The whales and birds stopped dying once the Prescotts ceased dumping stuff from their construction projects into the water and air. Both the natives and the townspeople were a lot happier after that stopped and the environment improved.
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>>169804138
Is that 2ch or something? I'd love to practise Russian on Russian /lesg/
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Hi /lisg/!

I have spent the last month or so travelling through a million universes for research purposes, and I thought you should be the first to learn of my findings:

Max Caulfield and Chloe Price, without fail, are limitlessly in love with each other in every single one of them.
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>>169846262
Thank you for confirming our suspicions. Your work is valuable, Anon.
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>>169845609
Yep, it's 2ch.
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>>169847137

>>Ahoy, Captain. At least I know you've got my back.
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>>169846262
I had a hypothesis that their love was a multiversal constant.

I love the many worlds theory, stories, narratives, concepts- I love them all. Take me with you on your next trip!
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Hey Faggots,

My name is Nathan, and I hate every single one of you. All of you are fat, retarded, no-lifes who spend every second of their day looking at stupid ass pictures. You are everything bad in the world. Honestly, have any of you ever gotten any pussy? I mean, I guess it’s fun making fun of people because of your own insecurities, but you all take to a whole new level. This is even worse than jerking off to pictures on facebook.

Don’t be a stranger. Just hit me with your best shot. I’m pretty much perfect. I was captain of the football team, and starter on my basketball team. What sports do you play, other than “jack off to computer generated lesbians”? I also get straight A’s, and have a banging hot girlfriend (She just blew me; Shit was SO cash). You are all faggots who should just kill yourselves. Thanks for listening.

Pic Related: It’s me and my bitch
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>>169848282
It still tears at my soulstrings to think of Max clinging on to her teddy for comfort in the impossible ending we must not speak of.
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>>169849084
She still cuddles a bear sometimes.
She and Chloe did perhaps the most dorky thing possible and went to build-a-bear to get bears that look like each other. Then they sprayed them with their perfume/ cologne.
They each have a little Max or Chloe to cuddle with when they are apart from each other on a business trip or something.
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>>169846262
Except the ones where they're dead.
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>>169765336
Probably because I saw Evangelion at a formative age, Shinji and Asuka are probably the most similar close attachment to fictional characters as I have with Max and Chloe.

Ugh, that was a pretty mangled sentence.
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>>169849305
Wow, that is pretty damn dorky.

Max's teddy is Chlobear; Chloe's teddy is... Teddine?
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>>169849675
>Chloe's teddy is... Teddine?
MaxiMax
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>>169848962
>Nathan claiming to be captain of the football team
lel, guy's a drugged up pussy art major with zero athleticism. I heard he even got his ass kicked by warryn.
>Victoria is his gf
I wonder how it feels when your gf has tsundere-esque ntr lesbain fantasies about the scrawniest grill in the class domming her.
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>>169849675
Chlobear and MiniMax
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>>169847137
That just looks funny.

I was hoping for a more emotional effect, but whatever.
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>>169849791

https://youtu.be/Y8FpGONDKyk?list=PLMp3z6971ESR7YjvR5-N51I3GmADh4JsY
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>>169811510
Surprised no one's mention how FUCKEN CUTE these lil animations are. Like damn. Das cute.
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>>169850663
They get posted pretty frequently, so everyone's already gushed plenty over them!
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>>169850658
>that music really exposes the scene for what it really is
>michel's self-insert fantasy
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>>169850663
They are really well known already so most people just see them numerous times. But it's great to see people react to how great they are for the first time.
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>>169850658
>who's the bitch, now
>DURR CHLOE

Shut the fuck up, Max. Let her have this.
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>>169849791
>tfw you're a drugged up pussy art major

We're not all bad.
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>>169851459
So lame Chloe didn't have a chance to beat Nathan's ass herself, and had to rely on the warrick.
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>>169851764
I fucking know, right?

He's just getting petty macho revenge, but Chloe has a moral, deeper, more interesting motive for beating him.

I hate that she was forced to just watch. She's stronger than Warryn.
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>>169851764
The behind the scenes for ep4 showed Chloes mocap actress being the one curbstomping nathan.

Guess they had to pander to warrencucks

They also never brought up Max taking Nathans gun, you'd think that would've been useful later on
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I want to hear a collection of all the times Max says "Chloe", and Chloe "Max". But it's too much work.
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>>169852153
It could have worked if there was a later confrontation between Nathan and Chloe at the party, and she was so ashamed of freezing up like that earlier that it provides added character motivation. As it is, Chloe is just a victim to Nathan, who gets railroaded to the side so someone largely unimportant to the story gets a moment.
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>>169852296
Show the mocap video!
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>>169852668
Sounds interesting. That would have been great.

"Fuck off, Warren."
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>>169852296
I was hoping allowing Nathan to keep his gun would come in handy later. That he would remember Max sparing him a beating and that mercy would come into play later down the line.
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>>169840808
They should add Nathan too.
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Watching Chloe pummel Nathan could have been satisfying, but it wouldn't have fixed anything.
Nathan just takes it and cries, probably not the first time someone has hit him. It doesn't fix what happened to Chloe.
It's just revenge and it doesn't serve a purpose. The fact Max can diffuse thing and convince Chloe to step away speaks a lot louder about how highly Chloe reveres Max.
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>>169853954
It's like she calls her bitch dog back.
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>>169853954
But what if, hypothetically, one option stripped Nathan of a weapon he'd already proven utterly unworthy of carrying. And another option left him with it. Would that be an overriding consideration in the choice, and if so, does that speak to decidedly poor game design?
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>>169854661
Nathan, please.
It's more like she keeps her friend out of trouble.
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>>169854661
This.

Max really annoys me, at times.

>>169853954
Waah, a psychopathic, kidnapping criminal has daddy issues, leave him alone.

He deserves punishment for his spreading of pain, misery and death.
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>>169854793
Oh, come on.

Female dog, bitch, she listens to Max's word and sticks to her loyally, is totally whipped, she's Max's "bitch"?
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Chloe deserves someone better and more interesting than Max!
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>>169855243
He does deserve punishment but beating him is not going to fix a single thing. Ultimately all the choices amount to nothing but at the time ta tiny bit of mercy could have helped in the longrun.
Beating Nathan just shows nobody cares about him and makes him think he has to be violent to protect himself.
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>>169855243
Nah, I agree with anon. Chloe can keep her hands clean of that weasel's blood. Let Warren do the dirty work.

Max was keeping her out of trouble. And Nathan did get punished there.

>>169855576
There you go again.
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>>169855576
I think it's the other way around...
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>Bullying Chloe all of a sudden
>People actually bullying Max
Wowsers that is fucking lame and reeks of /v/
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Max and Chloe are both awesome and deserve each other!
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>>169855893
As much as I like to troll, this is another level of dumb.
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>>169856025
Seriously. At least I admit to feeling like shit about picking the Bay ending and enjoy the characters.
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>there are people in this thread who dont like pricefield
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>>169855684
I mean it. Chloe is perfect.

Max is just "generic girl: the character".
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>>169855893
>>169856181
(Even you, my butt-head, get these (You)s: >>169856052, >>169856176)
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>>169856181
I'm a huge Pricefield fanatic. One of my main issues with the game during my third playthrough, though, is that any attempt to treat Warren as a friend is turned into playing him as a romantic option. I'd rather see an ending where Warren learned to respect Max as a friend and be happy with his relationship with Brooke. They could go on double dates with Max and Chloe. It would also send a positive message to teen boys playing the game: it's okay to be friends with women and just because they turned you down doesn't mean they don't value you as a person.
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>>169856492
Here's a (You don't suck as much as usual.)
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>>169856545
I really agree with this.
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>>169856545
I didn't even like Warren with Brooke. She was being really bitchy and acting like she was entitled to his affection, acting how some saw Warren acting when it came to Max.
I put Brooke with Daniel because its seemed to chill her out and boost his confidence.
If there were any girl in the game I would put Warren with it would be Victoria, but Vicfans would flip their shit.
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>>169856705
That deleted my spoiler...WTF?!
>pic related

>>169856751
Maybe Season Two. Imagine it turns into a Buffy the Vampire Slayer style teen-horror series with Max and Chloe hunting supernatural creatures.

Better if it was akin to Ginger Snaps. Buffy never suited my tastes. It was too tongue in cheek. Ginger Snaps was gritty and darkly humorous without entering self-referential territory. I could see Emily Perkins, as a young lady, playing Max Caulfield.

What about the rest of /lisg/?
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https://www.reddit.com/r/lifeisstrange/comments/5wxwca/the_easiest_choice_in_my_life/

>I prefer Warren to Chloe
>I didn't kiss her either, it didn't make sense to me, kinda felt forced with her being into Rachel and all.

How much delusional and a ignorant Warryncuck you have to be to say such bullshit?
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>>169857192
We all know the subredddit is full of idiots so nobody should be surprised as seeing displays of idiocy.
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>>169857041
>Season 2
>Max/Chloe

LAUGH WITH ME
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>>169857905
They also said they would revolutionize player choice then they gave us Bae or Bay.
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>>169856471
You are just "blind waifufag: the anon".

Chloe would spit in your face for that.

And you would lick it up.

>>169856545
He cannot be played as a romantic option, let alone as an end goal; the journal reveals Max always strictly thinks of him as a friend.

I know what you mean though. The devs clearly pandered to people that did think of him as a "romantic option" (that word alone is disgusting). But you can still, in any playthrough, choose to just hug him in the end. So even without going into the fact there is never any actual romance there, that is how you can always end it on an overtly "just because they turned you down doesn't mean they don't value you as a person" note.

>>169857041
I wouldn't want to water them down into new formats like that, but who am I kidding, I would probably love it.

I could see a young Emily Perkins play Max actually. Add freckles, tho.
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>>169857041
Ginger Snaps with Life is Strange? Fuck to the yes.

Very darkly humorous, and moving, too. Chloe as Ginger, and Max as Bridgette.
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>>169857905
That's the feelings now. Who knows what they will be after S2.
Maybe they will return for S3.
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>>169858121
It isn't blind waifuism. It's critical understanding and empathy for her character; her imperfections make her perfect.

Chloe isn't a bully, and wouldn't spit in my face. Go fuck yourself, cunt.
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>>169858374
It's blind non-understanding of Max's character, her relationship to Chloe, and a non-LiS idea of Chloe herself.

She exists only in that context, for and thanks to Max. She was literally created as her partner, and vice versa. The story is all about their relationship. She is alive only for and thanks to Max. Your idea that she "deserves someone better" is so absurd that you can go fuck yourself, cunt - with a broom.

Chloe would absolutely spit in your face for suggesting you know who is good for her, call Max generic and "worse" than other people.

Let Chloe be the judge of who is good for her and whether Max is generic. I know it's hard for waifufags to accept the canonical truth of their waifu's feelings, but she says she loves Max and will always love her, and she says Max is the coolest, most talented person she's ever known.
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>>169858374
you talk shit about her Max and she would kick your ass.
Then walk away in digust because you got turned on by it.
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>>169858891
All this would be better if Max didn't have the personality of a wet sock.

Are you the obnoxious faggot who keeps arguing with me and then making up? Go fuck yourself with a 12 inch firework, cunt.
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Chloe and Max complete each other, they're yings to each others yangs. They've shown how much they trust each other no matter the circumstances, and it does not make either one of them the other's "bitch"

How anyone can possibly hate on pricefield is beyond me
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"THOSE POOR WHALES LOOK LIKE BEACHED ANGELS"

"OH, I HOPE I CAN MAKE IT THERE. PLEASE LET ME MAKE IT THERE"

Why hasn't Chloe abandoned this retard? She cringes at her "shakah brah" comment.
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>>169859740
>not being into someone with a poetic soul
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>>169859856
It really isn't poetic... It's pseudo-deep drivel. Twee as fuck Max, the human drip.
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Brace yourselves. Someone is making multiple LiS threads on /v/ and it is probably the same person bullying Max (and Chloe) here.

IGNORE TROLLS, SHITPOSTERS, AND BAITERS.
KEEP /lisg/ COMFY!
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>>169859176
I love you for the reasons I love you; I hate you for the reasons I hate you.

You are agonizingly blind to character and narrative if you see Max as a "wet sock", and think Chloe "deserves someone better". That is so violently, waifuistically blind to the entire essence of the work, I'd expect a /v/fag that's only played the first episod to see more in it.

Go fap yourself to sleep to your anti-narrative, anti-character waifuist fantasy of Chloe.

Chloe exists with Max. Only as that. Can only ever be happy as that, be at all, as that. Max was created. Then came her Chloe. Created for her. Loves her and values her more than anything. Making each other better, complete, whole. Cry about it.

>>169859740
Chloe could not live without her. Literally.

Obnoxious prick.
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>>169860023
Its not exactly surprising for a girl her age into art.
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>>169859206
Probably people that thought Warren or someone else would be a romance option.
Doesn't matter if they like Pricefield or not, Max and Chloe clearly do and so it shall be. Now and forever.
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>>169860023
Chloe is an adult who still uses "hella", "bidness", "amazeballs", and writes emo-hipster phrases all over her room.

I think Max is in her league
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are you dead yet?
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>>169860164
Poetically and artistically, Max is way out of her league. Max takes award-winning photos, Chloe scribbles walls; Max reads Bradburry and Kerouac, Chloe science and scene mags.

Luckily "leagues" don't mean shit. Love means everything. And they complement each other.
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>>169860387
Thanks to you, we're more alive than ever
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>>169859206
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzdSepr9xKA
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>>169860164
It sounds better on Chloe, like she's self-aware.

When she say "bidness", there's a an intonation as if she's saying it with speech marks. I think Ashly made Chloe feel a bit more grounded than Hannah did with Max.

>>169860108
She's not as bad as that, plus her photography is good. Not all girls that age are bad at art, like that pic.

>>169860073
I know you preciously love your twee, cutesy Pricefield, objectifying them like teddy bears, but Chloe is ten thousand times more engaging from her side of the relationship; Max feels like a concept, that manifests awkwardly in personhood.

Chloe lived for five years on her own. What makes the relationship powerful is that they can live apart, but don't want to.
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Shit-talking Max. Just when I thought you hit rock bottom, you sink even lower.
Why keep coming here when all you do is whine, complain, or post stuff that is clearly wrong but you just want to be contrarian?

What's next? Bad mouthing William or praising Jefferson? Just stop.
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>>169861123
>I know you preciously love your twee, cutesy Pricefield, objectifying them like teddy bears
Eh, nah.

I really love romance - deep, fulfiling, meaningful romance. I love their love. The cutesy stuff is just enjoyable, and keeps the threads alive, enjoyably. You on the other hand indeed are a wet sock, romantically. "Deserve", "better", "not interesting enough for" - these are anti-love concepts. Blind to narrative, deaf to sentimentality.

I won't argue on Max's personality with you; I couldn't possibly make you see if you are in fact that blind. You are such an immense delusional waifufag, you see more in Rachel, the non-character that only has any purpose at all precisely as a corpse, than Max.

Chloe did not live for five years on her own. Chloe "lives" only as what we see her. She is a concept, a spirit, and as that spirit, she manifests narratively. And the narrative? That is all-encompassingly about, revolves around her relationship to Max, whether you like it or get it or not.

Chloe worships her. Talked for years about her and wanting to be more like her. Cries and laughs with her like she hadn't done since they separated, which is to find the motivation and determination and strength to confront her past and overcome it, to find happiness and carelessness and love with her, recapturing what she'd lost and been yearning for all those years,

>>169861778
He's unhealthily obsessed with Chloe, to an extent where he keeps visiting a Pricefield general even though he doesn't like it, doesn't get it. Even after all this time. Mostly just wants other people to cater to his character obsession. And indeed whines a bunch.

I'm afraid I also wouldn't be surprised if it was him behind some of the rape fantasy posts we have gotten, at rare times.

I still love him though. Sometimes. Not tonight. Will always resent his anti-Max, anti-Pricefield bullshit.
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>>169861123
>What makes the relationship powerful is that they can live apart, but don't want to.
See? You don't get this game at all. The narrative literally starts on Max SAVING CHLOE'S LIFE. She literally cannot live without her. It is all about how they cannot be kept apart, how their love keeps them alive. Transcends everything, including time and death; a literal manifestation of a timeless, immortal love.

>>169862430
>Will always resent his anti-Max, anti-Pricefield bullshit.
Which is anti-LiS bullshit.
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>>169862430
> Will always resent his anti-Max, anti-Pricefield bullshit
Same. And there's plenty of 'realistic' Pricefield posted where there's talks of dealing with what they went through in the game and before. How they both will have scars that may never totally heal, but that doesn't stop them from enjoying their lives. But he ignores all that and pounces whenever he sees some Pricefield fluff, acting like that's all that's posted and that it's unrealistic. Which is true to an extent, but it is by no means the only thing posted here.
Seems like he wants everyone to be some stereotype; Chloe a badass seductive punk, Kate some dogmatic Christian, all while now claiming Max has no personality and is just an idea. There is no consistency or rationality.
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>>169862430
I am most definitely not behind the rape fantasy posts, and I switch between pro-Pricefield and not.

I doubt you even recognize the majority of my posts.

I adore sentimentality, but Max is just fucking empty, and I can't ignore that nagging feeling whenever I play the game, or think about her. I still love her character, and I see them, to an extent, as two parts of a whole. I think about the game as "them", the character of one is sensitively balanced with the other, and I like it, I do... but I feel an inexplicable anger towards Max.
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>>169862936
I think you are mixing him up with our... friend, Bayest.

I think he has a pretty good idea of Chloe, even when he only ever communicates it a lining-up of traits and one-liners. And a more profound, sentimental impression and appreciation of the game altogether, Pricefield included.

But his obsession with Chloe indeed reaches levels where he makes her something that is not based in the narrative and her reality anymore, and where he is jealous of Max to an extent where he actually feels frustrated and wants to attack her. When she is literally Chloe's angel, her everything, for whom she was created, her partner-by-design, the one who she loves, that loves her, that makes her happy and whole. If he really loved Chloe, in a non-waifuist way, he would love Max all the more for it.

And indeed, he sticks around in a general he seems to dislike the majority of the content in, without ever posting any, or hardly any, himself. Complaining at odd times, at most.

>>169863321
>inexplicable
It's really not. You just won't admit to yourself you are a waifufag, because that would make you realize you are seeing parts of the game with a biased eye, are blinder than others to the most significant, endearing, meaningful element of it. To its fundament.

And if you really think Max is empty, sentimentally or in personality or whatever else, that is precisely that blindness.

But sure, try me. In the process, I will surely be able to make Chloe seem a wetter sock than Max, just to fuck with you.
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>>169862936
I'm probably behind a good portion of the Pricefield analyses, actually, faggot.

I have a /lot/ of conflicting feelings

>>169862736
DURR, I KNOW THAT, FAGGOT.
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It's an obvious theme, bar the fact that she didn't actually know it was Chloe. You're defending Don'tnod's writing, though, so you made me chuckle.
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>>169863595
Part of me thinks they're the same person. Same propensity to throw insults around, same lack of understanding about sublty or characters, same posting style.
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That's enough shit flinging
Let's just get back to cuteposting for a bit okay?
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>>169863595
>wetter sock than Max
>just to fuck with you

Wow, I'm really intimidated.

By calling her a meme-spouter, probably.
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>>169863736
I for one have a pretty good idea what posts you are behind. And again, I love you for plenty of them.

>bar the fact that she didn't actually know it was Chloe.
Ignoring that she saves her afterwards as well (and ultimately chooses against letting Chloe die in the bathroom, too), the fact that she didn't actually know it was Chloe only cements the significance of their bond further: it is meant to be, it transcends even their consciousness. A narrative purpose, the purpose of their world. They were always going to be reunited, and they "knew" that, because their world literally starts with each other. Because they are fictional concepts, ideas, spirits. Conceptionally interlinked at the very fundament of the origin of their fictional world. Ideas spawned off of and for each other. Spirits intertwined with each other, in the narrative capturing of them that revolves all around them and that between them. That she saves Chloe without consciously knowing it is her establishes this beyond-them significance and transcendence of their bond, establishes their reunion as the purpose of this narrative world.

>>169864267
No, they're not. He's been around a while, and is really a different person. I hate-love both, but for him, it's decidedly more on the love side of things.

>>169864303
Well, I could start with talking about how she doesn't utter one (1) single inspiring thought in the entire game that can stand on its own, does she. Max's "But then it wouldn't be a moment..." line is more introspective than anything Chloe says in the entire game. And that's one of dozens of intellectually, philosophically or poetically engaging lines of Max.

I could use the journal as a literal body of characterizative work on her. What will you use against that, Chloe's edgy wall scribbles?

I can use her photography, her drawings, her taste in music and literature to establish her artistic personality. What will you take for Chloe, her tittie poster and scene mags?
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>>169864995
Obviously that all is said in deliberate, crude blindness to Chloe's character, to mirror yours.

>>169864272
Captain teddy and the teddies.
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>>169864272
Is it me or is this a daytime version of an image usually posted? I actually kind of like this bright one a little more.
Wish Max was wearing her clothes though.
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>>169865927
Here is the original!
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>>169864995
Yes, yes, I've heard that view elaborated ad nauseum. It's lost its spark of meaning placed on narrative dubiousness.

As for Chloe, yes, obviously, you're intentionally having a blindness, but it raised good points. Despite all of this on Max's side, Chloe's personality oozes through so much better and more vividly.
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>>169867164
>I've heard that view elaborated ad nauseum. It's lost its spark of meaning placed on narrative dubiousness.
How about you elaborate your views, then? Oh wait, you did: they amount to a grave misunderstanding, misconstruing and misappreciation of the entire work, and, once in a blue moon, if we're lucky, a vague outlining of your infatuation with Chloe.

My view is clearly based in the game. You yourself have admitted not even you are blind enough in your waifuism to ignore the symbolism and sentimentality of the romantical significance in this story. I know you know this, you are too emotionally aware to be this narratively and romantically retarded. You are just in love with Chloe, which is not bad, but love makes us blind, and tragically, you are blinder to this brilliant, most-endearing aspect of the story. If you weren't, you would worship Max. For the reason Chloe exists at all, as a spirit, lives at all, as character, for the reason she is happy, whole, experiences love, overcomes her miserable, deeply saddening past, shines bright, as the indeed deeply touching, rich person you love her as. Max gave you this gift.

>Chloe's personality oozes through so much better and more vividly.
You are just under a bias. Of infatuation, of preference. Chloe is more emotional. Max is less emotional. This does not mean Max is now less of a person, and, in fact, it is both another complementary quality of their brilliant dynamic, it is intelligent game design because Max is the player character and thus we connect to her (if we don't have reason to hate her, like you) on a deep level; with Chloe, we need her to get to us, and she does this by being more expressive, being more on the surface of herself. She is an open book to Max, and Max is the emotionally more passive, absorbing, wise, understanding one. But not always. Max is also explored very concretely and vividly as a personality.
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>>169867995
I love Max more than anything in this game. I think of her when I think of this game. She is what I envision above all, about it. What I remember, what I associate with it. Even the love she and Chloe share, I have come to understand I love above all because it is her love, because that love is deeply Max. I love Chloe above all for Max. The game has touched me most profoundly through Max. Were I a waifufag, were I unfortunate enough to not appreciate the actual, narratively existing romance and love in fiction more than my own fantastical desires, were this particular romance and love not so endearing and touching and important to me, I would be an undying Max waifufag. One of the worst you'd ever see.
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Stop bullying my friends and my friends' girlfriends!

Also, lord in heaven this site is full of sin
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The "Max has no personality" line was the same one said by Late Night Anon and then they argued, insulted everyone and then fled the general. Or at least dropped the trip.
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>>169867995
>Max is less emotional. This does not mean Max is now less of a person
More: While Max's emotional passivity may actually have been intended as a way for her character to work better as a player character, in the actual reality of the work, it if anything gives her an even more unique and intriguing personality. Anyone can be emotionally expressive. To show someone introspective, and have it harmonize with their behaviour, naturally, authentically, to create a character that manages to feel so personal and alive while giving them this precious, rare essence of an actual emotional wisdom, and wistfulness, a sentimental awareness, a consciousness for the unsaid, unseen, have her feel so within yet beyond herself... I have never seen a more intriguingly eandearing exploration of that kind of personality. Idiots think it makes her autistic. I think it makes her outstanding.

She truly imprints on the entire narrative, and it on us through her. She embodies what I love most about the defining feeling and experience of this world: the quiet-yet-tremendous feeling of a great significance, of a transcendence, of power, of great big things in small moments, of a storm of meaningfulness in the stillness of a bed. Those seemingly mundane moments that there's so much meaning in; just beneath the surface - and sometimes (though not enough) breaking through powerfully, tangibly - is a sense of sometimes optimistic and giddy, sometimes ominous and eery foreboding, laced heavily with nostalgia and romance, and a sense of great significance in it all.
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>>169869764
At least this place is (mostly) nice. You may even see Alice around!
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>>169869814
This goes especially for their bond. Its calm naturalness in being together, quiet romance and self-evidence of them working so well together... but at the same time the significance, powerfulness, the meaning of it - a literal time-transcending, universe-defying storm of love. The moments between them have something so incredibly intriguing, because in a very real sense, the entire world of the game revolves around them and that between, even though it is for much of it a very quiet and soft between.

For some of the scenes that explore this sentiment the most touchingly and endearingly, I'd say I especially adore the junkyard scenes in Episode 2. The sentiment lives in any episode, and especially in retrospect in any moment between them at all, most of every moment seeming alive with this significance of their romance for the narrative and entire world, how the latter revolves around the former, pivots on it... but those scenes in the junkyard and on the train tracks mark the real beginning of me falling in love with their falling in love.

A video that concentrates on little moments like that in a very tangibly character-centric fashion: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xJeqkA1SXg

That character-centeredness and "revolving around the characters" being quite literal in the cinematography of it: the camera circles around these moments. Swirling around Max and Chloe holding hands balancing on the train tracks - that induces a vertigo of butterflies fluttering about wildly in one's stomach, nostalgia and memories swirling around in one's head, a physical dizziness almost.

Max embodies all of this. The quiet-yet-meaningful, soft-yet-powerful nature of their relationship, the pivot that is their love, its narrative gravity, the intrigue of the ominous, foreboding atmosphere, the sense of a slumber of something beneath, the transcendence into the beyond... - what I love most about this narrative experience and world altogether, I love first in her.
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>>169869773
I said I thought Max was too undefined to be considered the best video game protagonist, because she is in a game designed primarily around choice, where she has to exist simultaneously as a character and as the player character. For whatever reason lisg got triggered by at that and accused me of calling Max an RPG protagonist.

I never said she has no personality nor did I ever insult anyone. People just got triggered because I said Max wasn't my all time favorite protagonist.
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There is literally nothing good about Pricefield. Literally everywhere outside of this general can see that. If that doesn't tell you anything I don't know what will.
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>>169867995
I'm not blind to it. As I said, I can appreciate it, and I can singularly focus on Chloe unreasonably. Of course I can see what you said- and feel it.

I don't even know what I'm doing. I've been up since 12:00 after sleeping for three hours, and it's 7:00 now. I'll continue tomorrow.
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>>169870642
>Literally everywhere outside of this general can see that

You mean just /v/
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>>169870974
Everywhere outside of /lisg/.
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>>169871047
wtf i hate pricefield now
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>>169870642
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>>169860067
>saw a LiS thread on /v/
>Jefferson did nothing wrong
>Nathan did nothing wrong
>Chloe is a cunt and she deserves to die
>Max can feel attracted to warryn

I'm not defending plebbit but holy shit not even the LiS sub is that bad.
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>>169870605
You said she couldn't be the best video game protagonist, period. As if it were objective.

Millions of people find Mario or Sonic to be the best, and the world is perfectly fine with that. When you are in an argumentative mood inclined to tell people they are wrong for considering a character to be the best, in a general for said character, you are bound to get shit.

For the record, I didn't give you shit. And have more than forgotten and forgiven whatever drove you to insist with such vehemence on that.

As I had said back then, I would be dishonest with myself if I made her out to be the most literary valueable character, her characterization to be a brilliantly-defined and expressed literary feat. But she absolutely has qualities, as a character, a player character, as a video game protagonist, as a literary figure, as a personality, that are unique and distinct and an achievement. I feel a lot about her, care a lot. And I won't let someone tell me that shouldn't be so. She's more than "defined" enough for me to feel something. And that counts for a lot, to me.

One great achievement being that she feels alive and personal, close and endeared to me. ...So without going back into the comparison of (video game) personalities of fictional characters we did then, how about you answer >>169765336? Surely you love something about LiS and its characters, else you would have left for good, or never jined us at all. What about other characters? Has a game ever given you characters you like this much or more, that you visit generals for, come back to? I'm genuinely curious - obviously it is perfectly valid to not prefer Max over other characters, and yes, as a player character, she is just by nature of game functionality less "defined", in some senses (though, as I'd argued back then, she still becomes defined, in a respective playthrough; the distincton to make would then merely be that "This playthrough-specific Max is the best protag ever!").
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>>169869764
Fake Kate begone!
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>>169871698
>/v/ are beta cucks
don't act so surprised anon.
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>>169871114
wtf I still love Pricefield (And always will)
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>>169870665
I'm in a morning haze, rambly semi-delirium too. Fueled by this great track: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdGadKrZB8k

And right now,
the needle is passing over you and I.
We are just like sonic tattoos,
our voices are etched in the back wax of time...

So don't take that "once in a blue moon" thing too seriously, please. As I've said, I value your contributions, your presence here, you. And would continue to do so even if you genuinely didn't feel anything about Max, or Pricefield. Which I know you do. But not everyone has to feel what I feel. And as not least reddit has shown time and again, it's somehow apparently even possible for people to be obsessed with the game without even liking Chloe, and being so sentimentally and narratively retarded that Grahamfield, which amounts to "picking Warren", is what is romantically significant in the game, to them.
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>>169871818
I really don't give a shit about the Chloe-haters or Bayfags (even the ones who only picked this choice because they wanted to see Chloe dead) but saying that Max is a fucking RPG character and that you can '''''''''''romance'''''''''' warryn if you want to it's idiotic.
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>>169871726
Stop lying. We all know it's you Evangelical Republican.
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"God, I love her so much...just watching her calms me down but it also makes my heart flutter. No dream can compare to this reality."

Goodnight, /lisg/ <3
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>>169873063
Goodnight anon. <3
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>>169870223
>>169872885
Speak of the angel!
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>>169872137
Just remember I always love you... C-cunt.

Don't you forget about me.
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>>169874716
That's very kind of you anon.
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>>169871704
>As if it were objective
I'm not going to qualify all of my sentences with "in my option". The Anon who said Max was the best video game protagonist didn't have too, neither do I.

>Millions of people find Mario or Sonic to be the best, and the world is perfectly fine with that
I don't see how that's relevant. I think sonic and Mario are shit characters. I could care less what the rest of the world thinks.

>whatever drove you to insist with such vehemence on that
I was never that emotional about it. Having my arguments misrepresented was tedious however.

>And I won't let someone tell me that shouldn't be so
Never did. I presented an opinion and was crucified with straw mans and ad hominen. Bad arguments are just bad arguments. I also see a clear distinction between "my favorite" and "the best".

>"This playthrough-specific Max is the best protag ever!"
As long as you don't pick the options we don't like. Otherwise it doesn't count. No we are not a cult.

>how about you answer >>169765336?
I didn't answer originally because it's entirely off topic, the board should discuss the game not the people who frequent the board, that's more for the discord. For you however, I shall answer (I kinda like you a little) but let's not do our usual walls of text over a topic that doesn't really belong here. That being said, await my wall of text that doesn't really belong here.
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>>169871704
>"in my option"
My auto correct is my worst enemy. Behind my bad grammar and insomnia.

A sense of humor goes a long way for me in how I relate to characters, especially if the humor stems from some kind of subtle meta-awareness that they are, in fact, video game characters. For example Deadpool takes things a little too far for my tastes. Undertale's Sans strikes a good balance, I like that his humor seems to stem from a place of nihilism, nihilism brought about by his knowledge of the games save function. I also like how his personality is actually reflected in the game play mechanics, when he finally decides to put effort into something he becomes the hardest fight in the game. Similarly the humorous variant of Hawke from Dragon Age 2 has a fantastic way of pointing out various video game and fantasy tropes, as well as undermining every single conversation in the game with a psychotic wit. I'll never forget the first time a dragon lit up a horde of dark-spawn, flew down in front of me, morphed into a woman, and the game me the option of saying, "I want to be a dragon", like a well armed autistic child. I live for moments like that. There's many other funny meta-aware characters that I like, such as Max Payne, the Malkavian from Vampire: The Masquerade Bloodline, M'aiq the Liar is a favorite. But this is undeniably off topic.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8WLQPGelHQ
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Why Chloe was a much better person in that alternate timeline where her dad was alive?
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>>169877298
She didn't become a degenerate because of daddy issues.
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>>169873063

nite nite anon
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Like oh man, that shit was so funny it almost justifies your existence.
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>>169881251
Anon, we just look at posters like (you) and realise things could always be worse
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>>169881251
That whole review is the epitome of "I don't like thing and therefore its shit".

So, hello /v/.
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>>169881732
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>>169881251
>Rooted for the blatant self-insert gary stu villain
How is it possible to have such shit taste?
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>>169882262
He said that the fact that he (and every other decent person, including Brote Ampill, by the way) rooted for that guy is a sad fact but true. When every character is unbearably bad, you root for the one who wants to kill them.
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>>169882315
>>169881883
>>169881732

Why are you even here mane?

Does this game annoy you so?
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>>169882315
>When every character is unbearably bad
If you're an illiterate retard who's entire metric for judging characters is "DURR HURR, BLUE HAIR = TUMBLR" then I suppose they would be unbearable.
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>>169881732
>he uses actual arguments

But he doesn't, this whole thing is him listing things he doesn't like and being smug that he's getting all these /v/ goodboy points for having goodright opinions.

Its fine to not like something, acting like a smarmy cunt because you're so clever for not liking something (to the point where you make a half hour long video about why you don't like something) is just baffling.

If you're genuinely curious about why people like this game, I'm sure people will be willing to tell you, but I wouldn't be surprised if you're just farming for those delicious (you)'s at this point.
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>>169882637
>But he doesn't

>says blue hair is cunt
>plays multiple detailed clips demonstrating her cunt behavior, unedited, directly from the game

>not an argument

>If you're genuinely curious about why people like this game,
But I'm not really anymore? >>169881812 answered it already.

Unless you seriously want me to believe that this >>169881883
>So basically, if the main characters wouldn't be female (or were made in early Space Quest era pixel graphics), these generals wouldn't even exist.
is false.
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>>169882763
>unedited
He did exactly that. Chloe shooting Frank and his dog wasn't an unprovoked attack. Frank advanced on Max and Chloe in a threatening manner, he had a knife and the dog was charging at them.
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>>169882932
>Frank advanced on Max and Chloe in a threatening manner, he had a knife and the dog was charging at them.
All of that was in the video, did you even bother to watch it?

Either way, from a legal perspective, she was intruding on his property with a gun, and when he was protecting his property, she murdered him in cold bold.
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>>169882932
And also he "advanced on [the Tumblrs] in a threatening manner" after she shot his dog, that's an undeniable fact.

>the length male posters will go to in order to justify murder if a blue haired cunt commits it
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>>169883068

Anon have you played the game or have you just watched >>169881251 this video (or others) and formed your opinion from that?

>>Either way, from a legal perspective, she was intruding on his property with a gun, and when he was protecting his property, she murdered him in cold bold.

Are you fucking stupid?
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>>169883068
>guy was parked at a public beach
>intruding on private property
are you retarded?

Also
>guy starts choking out a small girl
>has gun presented at him, ordered to stop
>he tries to set his attack dog on them
>dog is shot once in self defense
>he charged with a knife
>is shot once in self defense
Please explain how this is cold blooded murder. It's a lot more restrained and reasonable than the average american police officer
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>>169881251
>WAAAAHHHH THE SJWS ARE OPPRESSING ME
Why are /v/ such prissy triggered little faggots?
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>>169883423
>this asshole thinks some drug dealing living out of his van owns the fucking beach
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>>169882763
Its not an argument because he is going "I didn't like this character because I don't like this character and therefore this game is shit, I am now going to virtue signal by name dropping tumblr a bunch of times", Chloe is a character with flaws, she's an angry impulsive teenager thats been abandoned by the people she cares about most in her life, leading her to be rebellious and thrill seeking. Her character is entirely believable.

And on your second point, yeah there are people who are here because of waifus. You are on a website that is fairly densely populated by people who will waifu anything, pretty much every thread in /vg/ has some people who are there for the waifus. The reason people liked this game were varied, ranging from the interest in the story, characters and atmosphere of the games.
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>>169883739
I know you have basically the mentality of 12 years old, but she legally initiated the confrontation. She would actually go to jail for that if she was a male, there is legal precedent for this.
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>>169883815
>And on your second point, yeah there are people who are here because of waifus.
Alright, so who would be here if LiS were still "waifus" but looked like this?
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>>169883893
>she legally initiated the confrontation. She would actually go to jail for that if she was a male

But she wouldn't, because she has time powers and either the murder is undone by time travel shenanigans, or the entire town is destroyed by a tornado so it would be impossible to bring her to trial.

The fuck is your point here man?
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>>169883992
My point was that she from both a moral and legal perspective murdered an innocent animal and its agitated owner, in a confrontation she started. No brainer murder in third degree. And that point was to counter the guy who was saying that the reviewer was not presenting an argument for Blue being a cunt, when he showed her doing this in his video.

So, in other words, the reviewer successfully argued she is an unbearable cunt and provided amble factual evidence of her being a cunt, taken directly from the game, with no editing.
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>>169884117
*ample
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>>169883976
Of course, people become attached to characters and "waifu" them because they like their personality/project a personality onto characters. If you simply think a character looks nice, you have a wank and move on with your life.
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>>169883893
No she didn't you moron. He, without provocation, started choking a girl half his size. Try playing the game before flaunting your ignorance.
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>replying to incredibly obvious bait
It's time to stop fellas
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>>169884203
Hmm yeah, except, he problem, I think, is that there would be no "Chloefags" (let's call them that) if Chloe looked like this >>169883976. In other words, if Life is Strange was made, the same way it is now, all the... all the great story and dialogue, with graphics like that, no one would bat an eye over it or remember it today.

Basically, the entire reason this series is popular is cheap waifubait for people who would lead much happier lives if they read some Japanese visual novels probably. Buncha Warrens here.
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>>169884117
He showed a clip of her killing Frank and falsely presented it as a completely one-sided affair where she murders a man without provocation. He was being a dishonest twat and so are you. Someone setting a dog on you and approaching you with a knife all because he heard something he disliked is a perfectly valid reason to stand your ground.
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>>169884398
Ok, thank you for your opinion anon

I disagree, but thats fine I guess
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>>169884231
>lightly pushing someone back is choking
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NXnBpFCIQQ

Did you even play your own game? Seriously. Lies upon lies upon lies, all to justify cold bolded murder. She could easily be charged with 2nd degree murder in fact.
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>>169884117
A cunt shoots innocents down in cold blood because they wanted to watch someone die, she was a teenager who brought a gun to an argument, panicked and fired without thinking.

Thats being a scared teenager in over your head, not a cunt.

Although I do agree that its a shame how much this game just shits on Frank, he may be a drug dealer but he does actually seem like a decent guy.
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>>169884586
>Lightly pushing someone back
Nigga, do your eyes need a checkup? His fingers were clearly around Max's throat. He only let go after Chloe drew her gun.
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Enjoy !
> Game Theory: Theorists are KILLERS (Life is Strange)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VoinS21NcPY

There are soo many videos on YouTube with fan made alternate endings.
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>>169884701
Yeah, because all normal teenagers owe money to drugs dealers....
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>>169884784
Whats your point?
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>>169811510
OMG ! this is so so so cute!
I wished I had someone to be like this with!
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>>169884780
>Posting MatPat videos
That might just be the one thing worse than Mari's videos.
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>>169884768
Under her chin. She didn't even grab him by the arm, which would be the natural reaction if someone's actually choking you. Like fucking seriously. This is a clear case of fedoras exploding over bad boy having the audacity to touch your waifu (=must be choking!). If he wanted to choke her, he would pin her to his trailer so she wouldn't back in the first place. My god.

>>169884883
That there are layers of her being a cunt. And this is literally just a tip of the iceberg, he presented more factual evidence. Like when she was whining about her life, and the other one pointed out that others have problems too but she refused to accept that anyone matters more that special snowflake her in the car. Cunt on top of cunt on top of cunt.

Like Jesus Christ. No one would ever dare to argue she wasn't a cunt if she was fat or ugly, she doesn't even have to be male to get rid of the Warrens protecting here at all costs. He argued that she is a cunt. He showed overwhelming evidence. There is no evidence in the game to the contrary.
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>>169885081
>Like when she was whining about her life, and the other one pointed out that others have problems too but she refused to accept that anyone matters more that special snowflake her in the car.
You gloss over the fact that she apologized for her behavior later on and tried to make it up to Max. How fucking autistic do you have to be to be so incapable of understanding simple nuance?
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>>169885081
>abloo why can't I grab women by the neck and try to choke them. Feminists destroying my mens rights.
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>>169885081
>A character has flaws and therefore this makes the game and story shit
What kind of media do you consume, I'm genuinely curious what stories you enjoy.

I'm not even joking or trying to cheaply score points
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>>169885327
The entire point of that scene was to show Chloe overcoming her selfishness, she pretty much admits that she has a problem with blaming anything but herself for her life. He doesn't know what he's talking about, except regurgitating some youtube video
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>>169885327
>You gloss over the fact that she apologized for her behavior later

>be a total cunt all your life
>"sorry about that"
>oaky, now you're a good person

>>169885409
>>abloo why can't I grab women by the neck and try to choke them.
Nice try to turn it around, Lowtea. I guess the >>169885081
>This is a clear case of fedoras exploding over bad boy having the audacity to touch your waifu (=must be choking!).
hit too close to home, so cognitive dissonance kicked in huh.

>>169885506
>A character has flaws
There is a difference between a character having flaws and a character being an irredeemable cunt, especially considering what a great father she had. Maybe if she was raised in a single mother house all life long, it would be slightly understandable, but she'd still be an unlikable cunt who's only liked because of her appearance. Like there is no one here who would like her, if she looked - exactly the same - but just had +300lbs extra.

It's really sad - and the reviewer pointed this out - that the makers of this game actually made a relatively tolerable game at first, but it didn't sell well, so they dumbed it down to nothing but waifuism and now they get all the Dosh. Very sad!

>What kind of media do you consume, I'm genuinely curious what stories you enjoy.
I have no problem with video games like these as long as they have an actual good story. There have been literally dozens of adventure games with actual good stories / characters / plot etc. I'm not exactly sure if this thing admits that it's supposed to be an adventure game, because I know these nu-adventures (like the whole shebang Telltale started) pretend that they have "choices" , so maybe they pretend they're something else, but it's still just a point and click adventure game deep down. The only difference is that they use ""moral choices"" as an excuse for shit writing nowadays.
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>>169886252
Not sure where you're going with all this, but I just want to thank you for all the bumps, /lisg/ has never been so alive in months.

We might actually hit 500 threads now
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>>169886409
Yes, I noticed that too. Unfortunate that the extra low Teas can't even appreciate this one. I'm guessing you must be the Alpha Warren of this this thread.
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>>169886252
The problem here is you say that she's an irredeemable cunt who is only liked because of her appearance and then ignore when anons disagree and point out that her character does have positive attributes you just go "but I don't think so, therefore its shit".
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>>169886757
Because they are lying? There is factual evidence that these same people who say they would, would not. As I said, all you need is +300 lbs, and all of her whiteknights disappear.
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>>169886834
>There is factual evidence that these same people who say they would, would not

No there isn't, theres just your opinion.

Is your word supposed to be as good as actual evidence now?
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>>169886970
>No there isn't, theres just your opinion.
Yes there is. There's loads of fictional characters with the same personality as Chloe that no one ever waifus over, because they're fat / ugly.
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>>169887043
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>>169887216
Yes, as I said, dozens. But I obviously can't post them here because then the butthurt Lowteas would report it for "n-n-not Life is Tumblr!!". If you seriously think that this Chloe of yours has a unique personality like no other... well, then I don't think there's any point in continuing this argument is it.
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>>169887347
>I have dozens of facts
>dozens
>I-I can't post them here though
>J-just trust me I'm not talking out of my ass
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>>169887484
As expected, butthurt and delusional. Typical LiSlover. Sad!
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>>169887347
>I've got dozens of facts
>I obviously can't post them here, I'm too afraid of internet posters
>Yeah I sure showed you kid, I'm gonna run away now
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>>169887557
>forgot to post his picture first time
>just keeps the previous post around and posts one more, no one is going to point it out in the hugbox

Very sad. I'm not running away by the way, just fixed something in the options.
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Actually, here's one example that you should probably be able to tolerate, since it's the one book series you might have had read. Chloe is a cunt like Cerci Lancaster from ASoIaF (or Game of Thrones, to you). She isn't fat though, so there may be one or two people who waifu her still, but it makes no difference.
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>>169887824
Reported ;)
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>Character A is a cunt for reasons I will not go into
>except to say that she is like Character B in some respect that I won't elaborate on either
>And Character B is also a cunt for reasons I will not go into
Height of literary review here kids
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>>169888238
>>Character A is a cunt for reasons I will not go into

>I will not go into

Pathetic and sad. >>169881251 Everything was explained with factual arguments & evidence in this great review.
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>>169888272
>implying I'm gonna waste my time watching a video made by some misogynistic scum
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>>169888652
>>169888853
>these people are unironic

Well, I didn't even know how right I was when I said >>169881251
>I really, really wonder, what do you guys tell yourselves every night (by guys I mean guys (male)) to not commit suicide? Pretty much the numba 1 laughing stock of the gaming industry.
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Anons, please stop devolving the general. This isn't a constructive topic.
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>>169889085
Y-yes, my Lady.
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>>169888912
It looks like you have to make a choice now

You can
>Stay here, with us, and bump us all the way to 500

Or you can
>Go back to /v/ and preach to the choir

It's a difficult decision anon, but... I-I'll always love you, and I-I know you'll make the right choice.

STAY <<>> LEAVE
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>>169889276
Perfect post, because you present this as a choice (as if it actually matters what I choose), but since >>169889085 told you to stop talking to me already, it was already a foregone conclusion by the time you posted this.

Perfectly sums up what LiS choices are like.

Now here's your difficult decision, you can
>Keep talking with the misogynist who is literally raping Alice, becoming basically a partner in his rape
Or you can
>Stop talking to me and look like the emasculated dweeb you are, who lost the argument about his favorite game of 2015
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>>169889492
Kek, I just got here bro, I'm not losing anything
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>>169889734
>I just got here bro
>not a new IP
uh huh
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>>169889823
I wasn't the one arguing with you, except for >>169889276

But you're welcome to stay and keep us alive
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>>169889993
>damage control
Really sad that after like 500 threads, no one could come up with a counter-argument to this super funny guy, who uses factual arguing and great humor.
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Wake up, /lisg/!
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Did /lisg/ finally succumb to the uncomfiness, shitposting, and trolls? :(
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>>169895765
Hella no
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>>169896770
uncanniest of valleys
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>>169896770
Not in front of Lisa!
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If things keep getting worse and worse like it has been the past few threads, we're not going to make it to 500. People just need to ignore the idiots who come here to start shit or that have no interest in the game.
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>>169899571
Nah we'll make it, trolls or not. We're more active than last month where we hit ~30 posters at most

Wonder what we'll do for 500
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>>169900960
I'm here because the game was recently on sale on PSN, so. Just a lurker.
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>>169900960
I dunno. March 11th is Chloe's birthday so hopefully we can make a thread on that day.
For the 500th we'll figure something out. I'm sure it will be great.
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>>169901047
Play the game, quit at the gallery in episode 5 or save Chloe, and then come back to rant and cutepost
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>>169905017
I've already plat it though.
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>>169875918
>I'm not going to qualify all of my sentences with "in my option".
You said "She really isn't.", and you said she is too undefined "to ever be" the best. Now I'm not sure whether you are better or worse at using those words than me, but "really" to me means you think she is in reality not the best. Not yours, but the reality. "could never be" usually means "at all", i. e. for anyone.

As it stood, you argued she objectively could not be the best. You did it here again: "too undefined to be considered" - "to be considered", by anyone.

>I don't see how that's relevant.
People can consider whatever they like to be the best. To go from an innocent "I think Mario is the best ever!", into an argument about how "No, he really isn't. He could not be and I think you are wrong for thinking so." is just grumpy bullshit, especially if it happens in a Mario thread.

>I was never that emotional about it.
Vehemence is not emotional. I was just surprised you would insist so stubbornly on arguing against people that like Max in here. But regardless, why did you leave then, if you weren't emotional? You like to accuse others of being oversensitive or getting triggered, but you literally up and left the thread.

>Never did.
I won't go back now, but I really think you did. You said something along the gist of her being too undefined to even be considered a distinct character, that she is an actual different person between playthroughs. As if she existed mostly as a player entity. Insinuating people are wrong for valuing her character as much as they do, at best being condescending.
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>>169906504
>Bad arguments are just bad arguments.
I maintain that you really just have a rather shallow view on Max, and, from the Nathan discussion, these characters altogether. You think Max does not have a defined, unique personality. You take her as a "somewhat dorky, somewhat nice girl". Nathan, the most narratively potent side character, as "a few feathers away from duffy duck". You never really talked much about Chloe, but I'm sure you have your rudimentary opinion on her too. What do you see in this game at all, then? Why come here? Cute grills, a comfy world, dorky, silly fun, is that it? I mean, that's totally fine. But for thousands upon thousands of people and award juries, these are rather great characters in a rather great narrative context. They have depths, idiosyncracies in personality, behaviour, physicality, and an authenticity that is a great achievement.

It's ok if you just find it to be a somewhat quirky, somewhat comfy little game. But for others, it is, for example, the only video game ever to get a Peabody award. People love these characters more than any other characters they've ever encountered, not only in video games, think they are the best. If you think they should not, at least try and don't bring it up in a general for the game.

...I did just go back, and suggest you do the same if we want to get back into it. I responded to your initial post very reasonably, I feel. Very compromisingly. Then you engaged your full argument mode. Alright, that's what the threads are for, I suppose. In the course of the discussion, I presented very distinct, unique, narratively consistent personality traits of Max, and you were so caught up in your defense mode that you wouldn't even accept a single one. Dismissing everything with nonsense about "everyone is like that", "that is not a personality trait but this and that" - and then failing to give your own personalization of a character that does at all do away with the dismissal you'd had for mine.
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I love you all so much.
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>>169907258
>As long as you don't pick the options we don't like.
...Has nothing to do with the argument. Your original argument was: You can pick different choices, this fundamentally changes Max, so her personality is not defined. Therefore, Max could never be the best protagonist. My counter-argument: Even if I were to let "undefined" stand (which I don't; I don't think we can change Max to a significant extent), this would only mean she is undefined before we play the game. When we do actually pick choices, any choices, we still have a distinct narrative with a distinct character and its path. And while I, again, would argue this path does not actually significantly vary with the choices, it means that she can be the best protagonist for people even if we do make it reliant upon "definedness". The argument was never about what "version" of her would be the best. Even if we were to say she's a completely different person, "Max" as a concept of the protagonist of all these iterations, could still be considered the best. A protagonist that can feel like completely different people depending on our choices? That would be an immensely praiseworthy quality, and people could absolutely call that concept of this protagonist, which in short is "Max", the best. And more, as I had argued back then too, it's even possible for someone to prefer more undefined personalities, and as such, to find such a protagonist to be the best even if she were to stay "undefined" for the entire game. "Best" is not objective.

And in as much as you argued against any personality traits I brought up at all, yes, you did very much argue that Max would be undefined altogether, not conceptually, potentially, but that she would be a player entity mouthpiece, a sort of RPG character, no matter the playthrough. Because apparently you think she has no defining personality traits at all, beyond being a little dorky and a little nice.
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>>169907358
<2 U 2
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LIVEACTION SERIES, SEASON 2! I DON'T CARE I JUST NEED TO KNOW SOMETHING FOR GOD'S SAKE!!!
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>>169908367
Well, Hannah Telle has said she really wants to be Max in the live-action recently, and some reporter said that Season 2 is being made in secret in an off-limits part of Dontnods office.

Also IRL Marshfield is confirmed canon, and some popular chad-streamer liked the game and promoted bae>bay
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>>169876234
I can appreciate that you seek a sort of meta-humor in video game characters specifically, and how those characters' humor is more than just being funny, but being funny in a defined, personal way. Those characters you listed, would you say they are endeared to you as much as LiS characters. For example, are you in generals for their games, talk about them at all anymore anywhere? Do they feel as personal, real, alive, close to you? When you envision LiS characters in your mind, do they feel less distinct to you, than those other characters? Do the others have a stronger personality, are more fleshed out? Strike you as more "themselves"? Do you prefer them over LiS characters, like them better?

That's of course possible. But that you really don't think anyone could think Max is the best, that she could be someone's favourite, is just weird to me. Of course she can be considered to best protagonist by people. By merit of her personality and characterization, but she could potentially even be so by merit precisely of the lack of those. This shit's subjective, and in as much as LiS' characters feel wonderfully alive and human to me, more than many of the great literary characters I've got to know, I must say their character-ization is a pretty substantial, praiseworthy, unique feat. And more, in as much as they feel human, you will certainly agree preference in humans is not really susceptible to debate: Humbert Humbert, Holden Caulfield, Ellison's invisible man, Dostoyevski's underground man - they felt human to me, alive, personal. But I don't "like" them as people, certainly not as much as Max.
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Kate's entire ordeal in the game made me so sad.
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>>169912106
It was sad, but Max saved her. Kate ends up having a lot of friends and I think a lot of people realized they were jackasses for what they did to her.
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Pompidou is a little buffalo munchkin pup.
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>>169912801
wut?
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>>169913030

He looks like a little buffalo beaver dog.
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>>169913918
He's a German Shepherd Pitbull Mix.
But changing his breed could be funny. Frank with a Chihuahua, Poodle. or Shiba (As if Max wasn't enough of a little memester)
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>>169914545
I know what he is. Buffalo beaver sounds cuter.
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Frank is a softy.

Chloe and Max ask for his client list, he refuses, then they look sad and he feels sorry for them and says, "All right, all right," in resignation.

What a softy.
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>>169915564
Dunno, took me a few tries to get through without an altercation.
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>>169916146
Yes, he's mostly not a softy... Kate could turn him around!

Kate and Frank fanfiction, well.
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>>169915564
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I'm amazed that Frank didn't kill Chloe before Nathan or Jefferson.
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>>169917790
This.

In my first playthrough, I let Chloe shoot him to get him out of her life.
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Frank was not a good man, but he can become a better one after everything.
He has motivation and friends who can help him.

>>169916609
I like the idea of the two of them becoming friends. Been said here before, Frank opens up an animal shelter, Kate starts working/ volunteering there, the two of them become good friends and she forgives him for his past (Even if he takes a little longer to forgive himself).
Maybe one day a nice woman will walk in and attract Frank and Kate will help him with some pointers.
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>>169917790
Why would he? Chloe owes him some money, which Frank could easily make back with his sales. He only goes after Chloe on principle.
Otherwise the two of them are friends to some extent. The only time Frank flies off the handle are when he learns Max and Chloe were in his home or when they're accusing him of doing something to Rachel, which is a touchy subject for him.
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>>169918116
They'd be a good romantic match, actually.

Frank's about twenty two, so not that older. They both like animals, and Kate and Frank himself would want to turn his life around.
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>>169918710
I don't know if they would be able to be romantically involved, I think Frank is older than 22. He may be in his mid-20s or even be 30. There's no hints given.
Their mutual love of animals and maybe even the Bible (Frank mentions his father and how he should enter God's house) will make them friends. Whatever more happens is up to how well you think they'd get along.
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>>169889492
Just as I expected, not only did he not make a choice, then the echobox kicked in and they deleted every post that dared to criticize their horrible game, in order to hide hatethoughts. The cripple general spergs have Ore balls.
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>>169918710

Certainly one of the more interesting relationships.

Kate's genuine nature and sincerity coupled with Frank's tough guy shell and compassionate heart would make for some cute situations.
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>>169922275
Woo! Where they going this time?

>>169923135
Ouroboros starts to create a friendship between them and Frank's reaction is about what I would expect.
That being "Oh shit! Why the fuck would you think I should meet her?" when he realizes who Kate is an what is indirect link to her is. But things calm down and Frank realizes she doesn't harbor any hatred towards him.
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Chole is the most shallow, manipulative, sociopath and egoistic character I ever seen in a work of fiction. Who would ever choose to let a whole town die just for that bitch?
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>>169923376
Looks like first they are headed for a parting look of a golden hour Arcadia from the lighthouse, before they really drive off!
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>>169924178
Cute! I like Max's shirt and Chloe's buttons.
Interestingly, their facial expressions are swapped from how I would think they would be.
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damn this cosplay is spot on
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>>169924432
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>>169923376
They would read the Bible every night once Kate shows the way to redemption.

For once her faith would find some spiritual common ground, and that in the least likely person she could imagine.

She starts to fall in love and so does he. What's more is her family actually warms up to him when they see his honest desire to better himself.
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>>169924432
Maybe. Good for them to get away for a bit and relax. They could be finally getting to go off on a vacation away from both of their families.
Just them, Chloe's truck, Max's camera, and an open road.
Also gives Ryan and Vanessa, and Joyce and David, time to relax as well. Go on their own dates and stuff without worrying about their kids.
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>>169924760
>naked
mods
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>>169924538
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>>169924793
I dunno. Frank still has a rough personality and history. Kate's family may not be able to look past that.
It would take a good amount of time before he was ready to move on from Rachel. Even though he knew they wouldn't last, he didn't want it to end in the way it did. after the storm he would need to take time to himself and just go away with Pompidou. Then he would return after changing what needed to be changed. Maybe even visit Max and Chloe up in Seattle.
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If timelines had worked out differently Scottfield is a match made in heaven.

Polar opposites and so forth..
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>>169926691
>>169926884
Nah, they don't have the same chemistry the way Max and Chloe do.

Grahamscott on the other hand...
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>>169926691
>>169926884
>>169927167
No. Non. Nein. Nyet.
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>>169929958
Great cake! I had that saved on my laptop a while back.
Hope whoever ordered it enjoyed it.
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>>169929958
Cute!

Max would love that cake.
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>>169929958
"WANT."
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>>169924538
>chloe dreams of licking the sweat off max's neck on a hot day.
Wot a perv
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>>169931962
She usually just settles for taking a shower or bath with Max and washing her
Not that Max has any objections
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>>169929958
I bet it tastes like blueberry/raspberry
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Where can I go to see Kate's video?
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>>169933586
katesvid.com
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>>169933586
Nathan's room.
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>>169933586
Go to her YouTube or Facebook and you can see her violin recital. It's quite nice. Alice even pops into the camera's frame a few times.
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>>169929843
LOVE Max's hair
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Do you think Nathan has restless leg syndrome and shot Chloe by mistake?
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>>169934778
yes nathan's a good boy he dindu nufin'
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>>169934027
>Nathan was sitting in his room watching kates vid even after kates suicide attempt.
>He was probably the one who left the kate should have jumped grafitti.
Utter scum
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>>169934778
I don't think Nathan wanted to kill Chloe, he's just jumpy and when Chloe shoved him he pulled the trigger accidentally.
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>>169934871
No, I don't really like Nathan, I just wonder if his twitchy muscles pulled the trigger.
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There's nothing wrong with Warren and Max is a good girl who would never anger god and become a lesbian
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>>169935031
>>169935064
Still his damn fault for carrying loaded, chambered, and unsafe.
Good thing Max was there to stop it.
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>>169934707
Max's hair does look hella good there. She could probably get away with any length (But I like it like it is in the game or maybe in a ponytail).
Chloe should keep hers short like it is.
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>>169924765
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>>169937550
for some reason I saw that and thought of the song Mountains, but instead of the somber and melancholic original, it was a a happier and more upbeat version.
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While on their roadtrip they have to stop every now and then for fuel, snacks, photos, and *ahem*...rest.
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>>169929843
>long haired Max
>mfw

Not that I don't like short haired girls but damn...
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Warren was a good boy, he deserves better than what he got
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>>169926691
No, Max is for Chloe, and Chloe is for Max, and Max doesn't like boys, and they have nothing in common.
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>>169939567
UGH.

No one wants to know what arouses you.
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>>169939576
Brooke fans are not going to like you speaking so lowly of her.

>>169940598
Truth.
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>>169940797
That's the whole reason I'm on 4chan is to find out what makes other people tick. What about you?
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>>169941016
Not in the sexual way, you sick FUCK.

I'm here to post memes and tell you to stop posting. And I'm all out of memes.
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>>169941496
I hope they were just saying they thought Max looked pretty with longer hair.
Not anything perverted.
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The boys are back in town.
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>>169943668
Where is based Luc
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>>169943765
He was left out and tweeted a "<3" at them. :(

Looks like he got cucked because he is enlightened. The imagination lord reigns supreme. For now... Based Luc will gather his allies in the studios while the lord is out plotting.

Also, interesting tweet (that I think was posted here before though): https://twitter.com/DONTNOD_Michel/status/829275646740275201
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>>169943765
At GDC 2017
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>>169944179
>Luc tweeted himself drinking beer alone
>also about being at a party with Coolio
This is sad. He stood for love, and they won't have it.

#TheTrueTragedy
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>>169906504
I disagree with everything you've said in this post, I'm not going to go through it word by word though because it's not on topic. We'd be discussing how to conduct ourselves during augments, not the game.

>>169907258
>You never really talked much about Chloe, but I'm sure you have your rudimentary opinion on her too.
Well you've taken two characters, Max who is the player character, and Nathan. I think the game would be worse if Max were more defined, even her saying that Advent Children was underrated took me out of the experience because I think that movie's trash. And yeah, I think Nathan's a cartoon character, that might be the only thing I like about him. Based on that alone you're asking if there's anything at all I like about the game. I don't see how that follows.

>Why come here?
To discuss the game.

>the only video game ever to get a Peabody award
I could care less. But seeing this board celebrate dontnod receiving an award for exceptional storytelling is kinda funny.

>>169908049
>I don't think we can change Max to a significant extent
And when I gave examples of choices that did change her to a significant extent, I was told to ignore them because they don't fit with the boards collective idea of who Max is. It was rather cult like.

>"Max" as a concept of the protagonist of all these iterations, could still be considered the best
So it's "the concept of Max is the best protagonist", concepts are not characters and characters are not concepts.

>>169909884
Again, I feel that this post is more about ourselves than the game, I could hardly answer these questions while staying on topic. I like to meet walls of text with the same but I'd have to get very /blog/ to do that here.
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>>169943668
Hope we start hearing news soon.

>>169946039
Those outfits all work well on them.
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>>169946006
>But seeing this board celebrate dontnod receiving an award for exceptional storytelling is kinda funny.

What? You mean decrying forced tragedy and mocking Koch's ending choices isn't congruent with celebrating its storytelling? You must have chose Bay.

>I think Nathan's a cartoon character, that might be the only thing I like about him.

Perhaps, but he's a realistic depiction of how that archetype would come to exist: the familial pressures, overcompensating for rejection and struggling with mental illness.

>I think the game would be worse if Max were more defined.

Max succeeds as a set character with room for ambiguity because she's questioning herself. Caulfield is in the process of growth. She's learning about her sexuality and deciding whether she has the confidence to be a photographer. Her lack of confidence at the beginning, combined with the numerous paths for her to take, grants the player a number of ways for her to grow, but the end outcome is typically the same: lesbianism and an assertive, but respectful personality.

>>169946039
F. Scott Fiztgerald was the creative genius behind the game. That explains the Peabody award.
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>>169941496
Where do you think you are? Tumblr?
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>>169934874
>Utter scum
>Otter scum
Know your Blackwell.
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>>169946006
>I could care less.
Triggered to be honest.

"I could care less" means you must care to some extent, since you have the ability to care to a lesser extent.

Now if you said "I couldn't care less", it means your caring must be as low as is possible, as this is the only way to exclude the possibility of being able to care less. It's is a far better means for expressing contempt or disinterest for a subject.
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>>169798261
>sleeping around is just characterally and narratively inconsistent.
Only based on your romantic interpretation of her character. Anyone else who played the game and saw her for who she is and isn't caught up in your closed mindset will recognize she fooled around. Just because you grew up with a bunch of puritanical Amish doesn't mean the rest of the world left room for Jesus in their early teens.

>What parts are broken? Remember, you were the one saying it needs repairs, my argument that it had been repaired is just obvious canonical suggestion. What is so broken about it that she'd have to take the bus?

Sigh. She would have taken the bus while it was being repaired. Estimates are estimates, not exact figures and not receipts. There is no canon suggestion that she had the work done. Her truck runs rough and loudly.

>169798261
I've posted the link before. It shows that the voice actor who played Chloe, one who was privy to the full script and material unreleased to the public, believes that she was into men and women.

>goes against my very characterization of her.
At least you admitted it was your opinion.

>Safety

Once again, you think she's going to ask a rapist to put on a condom? What the fuck?

>I think for Chloe, it is.

You think. You opine. You recognize it's your interpretation, but denounce mine as counter-canon because it breaks apart the image you've created, despite evidence to the contrary.

In the past you've said posters on her walls were images that teenage girls aspire to. CHLOE IS 19, NOT A TWEEN. Seriously.

We've been over this. Her desperation for a genuine relationship would not stop her from fucking around for the occasional taste of an act associated with romantic intimacy and a quick orgasm or two, the latter if she was lucky.
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>>169947627
>he's a realistic depiction of how that archetype would come to exist
I don't think we see enough of Nathan "Max is a feminazi crackfeld" Prescott to really say that for sure. We mostly just get a hostile crybaby lacking any nuance. The game tells us he's a more nuanced character but never shows us as much. That being said I've certainly known Nathan's in my time.

>lesbianism and an assertive, but respectful personality.
I don't see lesbianism as a character trait, I'll admit she's at least somewhat more assertive by the end of the game.

>>169948661
>It's is a far better means for expressing contempt or disinterest for a subject
But if I cared enough to say that I didn't care that much than surely it would be inaccurate to that that I couldn't care less. If I literally couldn't care less then I wouldn't have even acknowledged it. Whereas I obviously cared at least enough to proclaim my lack of caring.

Thus saying I couldn't care less is an oxymoron.
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>>169786514
>After each thrust, Maxine would pull back and then thrust forward again, forcing herself in Chloe's mouth, down her throat. Chloe was loving it too— being used like this by her normally shy girlfriend. Sucking her off was one thing, but being fucked like this by her was blissful. It was just pure pleasure, her girlfriend hitting her gag reflex and then pulling back, just giving her a moment of respite before forcing herself through her mouth roughly, down her throat again.

>It's pure pleasure to have your gag-reflex repeatedly triggered
Looks like we've got a budding David Carradine here.
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>>169948757
>Her desperation for a genuine relationship would not stop her from fucking around
Except it would because to Chloe sex and love are the same. She's tried sex before and it didn't give her what she wanted.
She met Rachel and stopped the hookups, finding satisfaction even if Rachel wouldn't return the affection. If all she was looking for was pleasure she would provide it herself.
Her phase were early attempts to be mature and find love. She realized after that that love is a lot more than just physical pleasure.

So no, Chloe would not still be "fucking around" up to the start of the game. That stopped years before Max came back when she met Rachel.
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>>169949686

Saying you could care less provides literally zero useful information. It is literally stating "I care about this to some undefined level, without in any way elaborating on whether this level is high or low." Something could be the most important thing in the world to me, and I could legitimately state "I could care less" about it.

Better to use slight hyperbole and actually establish a position.
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She may have a rough past and hostile/uncaring facade, but Chloe really is a sweet girl who still holds the childhood dream of a lover sweeping her off her feet and together exploring the world.
But there's a problem; Max isn't strong enough pick Chloe up and spin her around:(
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>>169952072
Or maybe she is TOO strong
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>>169949686
>I don't think we see enough of Nathan "Max is a feminazi crackfeld" Prescott to really say that for sure. We mostly just get a hostile crybaby lacking any nuance.
True, but that's largely a matter of screen time.

>lesbianism as a character trait

True. It's her orientation.

>>169949868
People return to old habits in hard times. Hence the term falling off the wagon.

>>169952228
She'll summon a tornado to lift Chloe off her feet and spin her around.
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>>169952535
That only applies to an addiction. Chloe was not addicted to sex. It was a phase that most likely didn't last very long and didn't include many people. Chloe's real nature of wanting real love above all else offsets anything like that.
She has Max, she is set for life.
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>>169946006
>We'd be discussing how to conduct ourselves during augments, not the game.
Well, we'd be discussing whether game protagonists can be objectively ranked, whether and how their definedness plays into it, and how this relates to Max.

But I didn't necessarily want to transition back into that argument with that myself. I just wanted to show you why people didn't appreciate what you said. I actually defended you the very next thread, and most of the indeed trigger-y posts you had gotten were from the guy that always behaved like that; at latest after your "Max kissing Warren means something" you were bound to get shit from him.

>I think the game would be worse if Max were more defined
...So you think she works well as a protagonist precisely because of her (supposed, relative) undefinedness, but could never be the best protagonist because of that same quality?

I don't get where your idea we could objectively say what makes a protagonist the "best" comes from, and where your attitude came from to say "No, Max really isn't the best and could never be". If you had just wanted to give your opinion, instead of telling people you think they are wrong for liking something the best, you could have just said something like "She's pretty nice, but I like my protags to be more rigidly defined than her, personally". I'm aware that you don't have to be nice, and while I do wonder why you would be so twat-y about it, I didn't ask you to be nicer. Again, I think I responded pretty kindly to what I thought was your pretty grumpy post back then.

>Well you've taken two characters
The protagonist and one of the most significant, complex secondary characters. If you really see so incredibly little in those two, yes, it does make me wonder whether you are at all susceptible to the game's charms at large.
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>>169946006
>>169955926
And I didn't question whether you like the game or its characters. Obviously you do. I wondered what it is you like about it and them. It just seems your appreciation is rather shallow. I mean, of course, it's not a rich and deep experience for everyone. If it wasn't for you and its sentimentality and characters and narrative didn't touch you deeply, emotionally, intellectually or otherwise, that's fine. I'm just really curious whether you do see more in it. Because while there's flaws, it is still considered a masterpiece by many. Hailed and awarded an outstanding piece of story-telling, world-building, atmosphere-creating and characterization in the world of video games. A phenomenon. Many people caring more about it and especially its characters than they ever have.

>I was told to ignore them
The fact that people can point to a handful of choices and identify them as OOC goes to show that she is a defined character, rather than the opposite. Exceptions, rules, etc. I do obviously agree that it's bad writing to have them in there to begin with, but it's also obvious why they are. All of those choices clearly have have dev intentions behind them to make the game more attractive, and they alienated the characters for that.

>characters are not concepts
In as much as people like something about them for their own reasons, yes, characters are just concepts. When one guy says "Mario is the best", he can have very different reasons than when another does. The argument I made there was just about the fact that you cannot argue "Max could never be considered the best". Of course she could. Someone could consider her the best merely on basis of finding her the prettiest.
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>>169946006
>I feel that this post is more about ourselves than the game
What I was trying to get to know is whether you like this game more than other games. Maybe you like it so much more that it is the only one you frequent a general for, after all this time? Does Max happen to be the video game protagonist you have the most fanart saved of? I'm just really trying to gauge where you stand on LiS, because while I get you come here to discuss the game and thus obviously must care about it, I have only very rarely seen you go at all into what you like about it, what you find it does well. And I would genuinely like to talk more about that, with you especially. Am pretty sure you have a more sophisticated appreciation for and view on the game.

But you obviously don't have to, if that is too bloggy for you. It's totally fair if you come here to talk more drily and topic-specifically about the game. I am glad you came back, and even if I miss your cute and silly contributions, I still appreciate your posts here, that you read my shit, are one of the few posters to be interesting in talking and discussing at length, and all that.
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>>169948757
>based on your romantic interpretation
No. Based literally on what she says. Based on the fact that Rachel even just posing for Frank made her sick. It is absolutely inconsistent with her character and the narrative to assume she was still sleeping with people after having met Rachel.

>There is no canon suggestion that she had the work done.
You know, except for her truck working and there being an estimate for truck repairs, and her being in debt exactly what the truck repairs cost. There is no evidence. Saying there is no suggestion is just you being your usual delusional self.

>ask a rapist to put on a condom
Why rapist? She did not absolutely exclude the possibility to ever need condoms again. Your idea that owning condoms must equal sexual activeness is just absurd.

>but denounce mine as counter-canon
No. We know she was more outgoing in her past. I did say that fun could have realistically also played into that. I do not think she despised the physical sensation of sex. What I do think is that that was not at all her primary motivation, and that she did actually grow to despise meaningless sex. Because she calls her phases stupid, gross, considers herself saved. You ignore this canonicity of her character.

What I actually consider counter-canon is your idea that Chloe was still sleeping around. You say the condoms mean she was still sleeping with people. I think that is counter-canon because Chloe says those phases are the past. That's what "phase" literally means - it's over. Says she is not down with guys. Because her characterization is in line with her saying she regrets and finds gross her phases. Because she was focused on Rachel, and mad when she found out Rachel had been with Frank.

These are canon elements of the game and her character; your idea that she was still sleeping around goes against them. It would make her a liar, a hypocrite, a cheater. Baselessly breaking with her characterization. Well, with two condoms as your basis.
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You can get condoms for free from schools or some doctor's offices.Having them means nothing.
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>>169950625
>Better to use slight hyperbole and actually establish a position.
But if that hyperbole comes at the cost of being accurate I don't see it as a worthy trade off. Sure saying I could care less is inconsequential, but it does come with the the connotation of caring very little. Whereas saying I couldn't care less establishes a clear position, it's also an oxymoron. I would rather risk saying nothing, while very likely inferring something, than taking a definitive stance while contradicting myself. But that's just me. It's a dumb phrase either way but it flows nicely.

>>169955926
>we'd be discussing whether game protagonists can be objectively ranked
No, the entire post was about a discussion we had about the game, not the game itself.

>I'm aware that you don't have to be nice
See again, you're discussing how one should conduct themselves during an argument, not the game.

>>169956698
>if that is too bloggy for you.
It's too bloggy by a wide margin. I'd shoot the shit with you forever on a different platform. But I like to post things that I would like to see on the board, walls of text navel gazing is not one of those things. Occasional tangents about idiom, sure. But this board is not my personal dumping ground for pages of introspection about things unrelated to LiS. In fact, were you anybody else, I wouldn't have posted this because it's too far off topic for my liking.
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>>169958997
Season 3 next month!
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>>169958997
Are you on the lisg discord?
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>>169959470
The rascal!
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>>169959470
Dont worry, mommy Chloe is going to Principal Well's office to pick up only the best chair for you
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>>169959621
She got curious, got really close, and then started sniffing it. Flash scared her the first few ties but now she knows it's fine.
Plus Max is usually the one holding it so Alice knows it's not dangerous.
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>>169959661
>mommy
>Chloe
Oh good. The Pricefield magic-child is time traveling/ dimension-hopping again.
Hello there!
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>>169958997
>See again, you're discussing how one should conduct themselves during an argument, not the game.
I did say there that I didn't necessarily want to transition back into that argument. It's fine that we see the game/Max differently. I was just genuinely speaking to you as a person, letting you know what I didn't like about your post back then, and wondering if you would, I dunno, say something to the effect of "Yeah, that was perhaps a bit harshly worded of me and I didn't mean to say you're wrong for considering her the best video game protag, I just like others more... now shut up!", or whatever. Getting past that on a positive note. Maybe even get your trip back on. The guy that shouted you out has been gone for a while, I think. Or at least doesn't post more than his usual pasta anymore.

>because it's too far off topic for my liking.
Well, talking more to what you like about the game and find it does well is certainly not off topic. But if it is too bloggy for your tastes, again, that's fair. I just actually like posting and reading more more bloggy stuff here. Not always discussing strictly topically, which can be tiresome and repetitive, but also talking on a little more personal note in the context of the game. (Or, you know, Late Night Spiels and such.)
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Regardless of Chloe's past, which she admits and owns up to, they have each other and that's all they will ever need in the way of romance and intimacy.
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>>169959081
!!!

>>169959379
I'm not a regular but I'm there. The discord isn't quite my tempo.

>>169960568
If I thought I could have replied on topic I would have. I really don't like leaving walls of text without an equally lengthy response. Were this not a board dedicated to a specific purpose I'd gladly answer anything, but it isn't so I wont.
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>>169962040
I hold this to be true.

>>169962226
S'Alright.

Well, just know that I for one miss your old trip/the associated posting behaviour, and that you could totally go back, if you'd like!

>isn't quite my tempo
Reminded me of the movie "Whiplash".
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>>169963709
Letting Max have the covers if she wants them
Chloe is a good GF
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>[Sounds of Chloe lightly snoring and of Max mumbling about the nice dream she's having]
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>>169966215
Sleep tight, pirates

What is Max dreaming about?
My guess is pancakes and/or Chloe
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>>169968176

Awkward conversations with other Maxines.
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>>Whoops
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>>169974561
>:‘(

What a kindly woman. It's where Chloe gets that sweet heart from.
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>>169969110
I like to think that by now, she is already friends with DreamMaxine.

>>169973631
kek. Don't worry Kate, Victoria just says that because she loves you and has a hard time expressing it.

>>169974561
>Joyce uses emoji
Chloe does not approve!
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>>muh leg
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>>169976014
wtf
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>>169973631
>>169975724
Victoria and Kate are doing a photo project together.
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Got to give them props for the little txt messages from the timelines.
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>>169976314
Awwe, Victoria a cute! A CUTE.
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>>169946039
>roaring twenties Chloe and Max

Yes.
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I can't believe it's March already...

http://www.strawpoll.me/12453760
http://www.strawpoll.me/12453759
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>>169752607
That OP is 2spooky and reminds me of the haunted Lighthouse in "Acceptance"
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I started a playthrough today after a five-month gap from that October week where we all went back along the game's schedule day by day.
One thing struck me right after I passed the point where I could go back and check -

What happens if you just walk right up to Nathan and Chloe at the part where you are supposed to smash the fire alarm? Does he shoot you? Does someone say something? Does it just go to the grey screen of death?
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>>169752607
That scene was especially evocative to me.

It felt like something beautiful about to be lost, as it lead to the frozen image of them walking to the lighthouse, especially before Chloe suggesting that she could sacrifice herself.The memories were echoes through time, to either destroy or move on from.

The lighthouse added another layer of creepy sadness.
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>>169981505
It just freezes, and Max says "I can't intervene like that!", or something along those lines.
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>>169981671
>echoes through time
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>>169982081
I always knew Kate was a replicant.

Also, why is Chloe into manly Robots?
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>>169982181
Everyone likes robots
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>>169982523
>Liking robots
>Trusting robots
>Giving robots rights
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>>169982639
>not giving robots rights

Despicable.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhvZxmgLfNA

Never forget.
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>>169982639
>>169982943

Robots should only have rights if you program them with the desire to be free. Robots designed to be tools or equipment desire purpose and work, and giving them the rights to be free is like giving a human the right to be enslaved. Even if they had the right, they wouldn't exercise it. The idea that robots would suffer being slaves and would revolt against their master that is the premise of so many sci-fi stories is unimaginative human projection of attributes and motives that are not essential or inevitable.
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>>169982943
>giving robots rights
I should just end you right here right now since that's what seem to want
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>>169983960
Well, robotnics like omnics were made with artificial intelligence, an intelligence that granted self-awarenes. They obviously deserve equal recognition and rights.

The attitude of certain countries were to still treat them as second-class citizens, simply because of their omnic status.
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>>169982639
Would you shoot her, /lisg/
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>>169984768
>authoritarian fear mongering

I totally believe you.
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>>169985721
Counteract the rot, stomp a bot.
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>>169983960
Working Joes doe not come with as many moral problems as Bishops
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>tfw there will never be a version of Chloe and Max, in a story where Chloe is an AI that Max falls in love with, but whose programming has made her eager to destroy the town, despite her conscious guilt
>tfw Max will never be torn between shutting Chloe down or living with her after the town is destroyed
>tfw Max will never hold Chloe's robotnic hand on the cliff

AU fanfiction, when.
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>>169981505
>>169981757
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxilPbnsm1w

Should have been an option
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Really is unfair that everything was dumped onto Max. Can't give her a power like that and then expect her to not use it. Even more absurd to ask her to go back, let her friend die in such a terrible way, and then to live the rest of her life miserable and scared.
Screw that. Leaving Max without Chloe is wrong just for that reason. Plus Chloe deserves a lot better fate than that, she deserves a nice and happy life.
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In my mind, in a future five years from now
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>>169994152
That lyric was more about when Max rewound to five years before, and then came back after everything to the original timeline.

It was kind of a rumination on trying to perfect everything, imagining how everything could be better, that, from that scene in the kitchen, to a future five years from then, with Chloe, is exactly where she wants to be.
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>>169994860
I know, it was a great scene. But It could also be used when they're looking back on everything.
Max realizing she's fine the way she is and Chloe realizing things worked out fine in the end.
Really just any time you look back at yourself from a few years ago and compare it to how you are now.
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I hope S2 has good music as well. Stuff that's memorable and makes you think of a certain character/moment when you hear it.
Like Obstacles being Max and Chloe's song.

But if Jonathon Morali/Syd Matters is working on the soundtrack then there shouldn't be an issue. Maybe Koethe will even get involved.
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>>169996529
Obstacles felt underwhelming for that scene.

It failed to communicate the range of emotions that would be felt, there. It felt way too positive, and stripped it of its meaning in episode one.
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>>169994860
Isn't the song about imagining everything to be better and missing the bus that allows one to be just good enough? (My Life)
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>>169996843
I didn't have a problem with Obstacles being used in the finale. It's echoing the message set in the first episode.
Initially it's Max and Chloe promising to be together to find out what's happening with Nathan, the weather, and Max's power. It replays at the end to show they have kept that promise and are still together as they move on to face whatever they will face.
The song also fits the mood of the scene, it's not overly optimistic in its message or tone.

Of all the underwhelming things about the ending, the musical choice would not be one of my picks. It's a good song with the message that things can be rough and confusing, but you can always find some way through them.
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>>169997836
That's a part of it, wanting things to reach that elusive "good" state.

Like, banging the coffin lid saying you need a tattoo that says you're living in the moment- a funny line, but a pretty meaningful one, in that wanting to go to the past to change things to prove you're living in the moment. Sounds like the Bay ending, kek.
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>>169998543
Nah. Sounds like when Max comes back to Chloe, flaws and all, like she does in the game.
It's also a song about Chloe in general and coming to terms that as bad as things were for her- they could have been worse.
A lot of songs could be interpreted in a few ways and 'support' an ending. But in the end the song is about growth and realizing "Hey, you're not that bad" and for some that realization comes later than it should have.
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Selfie!
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>>169998518
The scene in episode one is different to me. It's more a rumination on the innocence of their past together, contrasting the complications of the present, with still an echo of that innocence in the otherworldly, atmospheric snow before the sunset.

The, "Being with you after all this time feels like..." "Destiny?" exchange gives it a hopefulness that the bae ending just doesn't have. The bae ending wasn't hopeful. It was ladened with frustration and sadness, but desperate love for each other overcoming the foreseen "obstacle", yes, but in a more fatalistic way.

>>169999090
I mentioned that in >>169994860
Yes, of course, it's about the preciousness of the situation she was in, her flaws making her loveable, and still acceptable.

It felt a bit more like Max's song.
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>>169994860
>>169996198
I think "In My Mind" is about both of them, and them together, but primarily Chloe.

Realizing that our pasts are irrevocably ours and make us who we are, and that we are better for it. That even tragedies such as her father's death, her separation from Max and Rachel's disappearance, are important to us and a valuable part of our existence. For Max, the significance of the AU is her realization that she loves Chloe unconditionally. Is not tied to her through the troubles of their past - so while it is first and foremost a revelation of an all-meaningful, all-compelling, all-powerful, all-defining love... in it is also the sense about overcoming any residual feelings of guilt or regret about the tragic turn their lives took.

So upon return, the song also signifies that acceptance of who they are and their past, and the idea that they are better for it, that Chloe's path from here does not have to be a bad one just because it had sticks and stones and trial and tribulations in the past; that now that their paths have crossed again - which had to happen, just like the other things had, inevitably, irrevocably - fuck yes, they can look into the past five years with an acceptance and emberacement, and into the future five years with a confidence, self-confidence, love, self-love.
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>>169999247
She looks so happy
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>>169996843
While I agree that it doesn't come with the same visceral emotionality that connects you to the sentiment of the scene, I think the opposite: it was the "overwhelmingly" perfect fit for the ending because it represents the most meaningful foreshadowing:

End of Episode 1 - Max and Chloe on the cliff, reunited, together, holding on to each other, confiding in one another, Obstacles playing "throughout the town"; End of Episode 5 - Max and Chloe on the cliff, committed, in love, prevailing, entangled in one another in most of every sense, Obstacles playing them "out of the town".

And rather than strip it of its meaning, it gains meaning, an arc in its meaning that concludes the narrative message. The meaning of the song and its tone changes accordingly between the points, interpretively: In the beginning, it represents the seemingly unsurmountable obstacles that lie ahead are are to overcome, showing Max and Chloe, the trauma of their pasts, how it affects them and their relationship, so seemingly much to make up for; then showing the town, its obstacles, the mystery, David, all the players; then the snow, the implication of the giant storm, the supernatural obstacles. In the end, it represents the obstacles they have overcome, together, leaving them behind, and that they now know they'll surmount any and all.

Highlighting how far they've come - the lessons they've learned, realizations they've come to. Having found themselves, each other, the strength and health and love in that, that has them look at obstacles without fear, not avoiding them, facing them head on, together, knowing they can and will make it.

>>169999586
I think the Bae ending is hopeful. It doesn't manage to viscerally convey its hopeful sentimentality as much as Bay conveys its impossible hopelessness, and in that much you could say the song's tone might not translate well... but I don't feel a fatalism in it at all, let alone see.
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>>170001226
Their love is not desperation in the overcoming of the obstacles, it is the optimism and hope and meaningfulness at all in the idea that love can make us overcome such obstacles, and metaphorically, any obstacle. Establishes their connection, the love in it and its healing powers, as the most true, important thing; the thing that even a wrecked town can fade into the background due to, that you find a smile and hope and optimism and future in each other, in the midst of a seemingly desolate place.

>>169994152
While I still think the scene upon returning from the AU in some ways fails to tie into the great significance I see in the AU's culmination, and certainly is in disparity to its grand emotionality, there's also things I love in it.

Max's eager true joy and true appreciation of the moment and its reality, but then quiet and still settling upon the edge of Chloe's bed, hands folded in her lap, the half-smile and half-thought-half-muttered "Not anymore." response to Chloe's wondering whether she was messing around with time - I get a sense of Max being aware of the great significance of the AU, and of the great acceptance of this original, true reality, with all its bad and painful parts, but an embracement of it as being above all good and right. Which is all pretty grand stuff, but despite being aware of that, she takes it so innocently, with a kind of naivity that is in fact a wisdom, a strong will of taking things for their good, not being a negative person despite understanding the negativities of something, so composed and content. Sitting exactly where she did when she had first arrived back in Chloe's room with her, and where she did in the AU, when Chloe's room was empty. The three marking a sort of voyage toward this optimistic acceptance and embracement, the love for this reality, for this person. That is a lovely aspect of that scene.
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>>170003960
Didn't find the best shots...

Optimally, you'd see it from the same angle all three times.

Maybe I'll do it with the camera mod, some day.
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>>169883739
That fucking picture.

Rachel must have laughed like that at Chloe every time she said, "Ugh, why is Frank looking at you. What a dick."
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>>170007312
>tfw Chloe never even found out that Rachel had been 1. trying to run away on her own via some random trucker, and 2. in love and bed with MarkyMark
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If Rachel caused the storm with some spirit power or her pent up emotions, then if Max saves Rachel there's no storm (Do this by going back and warning her about Jefferson and Nathan).
Max's power is a constant, so that means she also keeps her powers.

Max and Chloe get together and Rachel is their friend that roots them on. Maybe Rachel and Frank even fix their problems and become better. Kate never gets drugged at the party because things end before it. Max still confronts David about his cameras and helps him realize he's just hurting his family so he stops it and tried to become better.
Truly the best timeline.
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>>170007967
Fucking harrowing, really. To see how much she meant to Chloe.
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Max's journal entry that dismisses her dare kiss with Chloe as nothing serious, and that, besides, she thinks Chloe sees Rachel in her future was a little too contradictory to the previous night's flirtatious pool escapades.
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>>170010707

You could say that Max is... dare I say it insecure?
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>>170012462
It seemed a bit more... genuinely dismissive, though.
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I'm getting one now.

https://www.redbubble.com/people/scolecite/works/15750433-daniels-mlady-shirt-episode-4?p=t-shirt
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>>170010137
Yeah, Rachel meant a lot to Chloe. In Chloe's mind they were as close as she is with Max.
But with the added feelings of a love that was never really returned. All the plans and ideas that were never really going to be possible and Chloe finds out the hard way when she learns Rachel was lying to her.
It's complex because she can't even say Rachel cheated on her because they were never an item.
Rachel was a good friend and there for Chloe when she really needed someone, but she also unwillingly hurt Chloe.

>>170010707
I don't get why people say this. One of the points made was that Rachel and Chloe never had a chance at being together. Rachel was not interested in that and it was the one thing she was smart enough NOT to lie about (Though debatably not giving a firm answer was just as bad and gave her false hope- kind of like Warren in his quest for Max.)
Max and Chloe were always going to end up together. It was on Max's mind in a subconscious form and Chloe's hope and dream, which she thought would never happen after Max left. Rachel would have realized Chloe loved Max and even if all three girls met, Rachel would tell Chloe to go be with Max once it was clear the two had mutual feelings.
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>>170013454
Right, obviously, but Max didn't know that at that time.

I was saying that she seems to very casually dismiss the possibility when it seemed she was recognizing it more in the pool.
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>>170012780
"Besides, I think Chloe sees Rachel in her future..." to me suggests Max is thinking about the prospect of her future with Chloe, and more specifically, in the context of the kiss, a romantical future.

It is indeed a little in contradiction to the intimate night they'd had, especially since Chloe in the course of that flirtatious and romantical mood specifically said she's not Rachel's groupie. And Chloe having replaced Rachel's photo with Max, on her phone. And everything else. But while I think her feelings and her understanding of Chloe's have a security to them, she is an insecure personality at that point especially with regards to herself. More than questioning Chloe's feelings, she was comparing herself to Rachel, doubting she could amount to her not to Chloe, but in general. A theme obviously the continued with the outfit and the reactions to it in the rest of the episode.

The "it wasn't that big a deal" thing is more dismissive, but in a self-deluding way of not wanting to explore her feelings, it feels to me. Because that would again set her on a path of questioning herself, comparing herself, her insecurities: if she admits to herself it is a big deal to her, she now has to ponder all the things consciously she does subconsciously: her romantical and sexual inexperiencedness, her self-perceived lameness, passivity. If she doesn't kiss her, she talks about being scared - the fear of confronting her feelings that she knows she has, which are natural to her, but also attached to those insecure impulses. Insecurites Chloe precisely helps her to overcome, encouraging, challenging and complimenting her. This all finds an obvious expression in the nightmare, as well.

Besides, her confidence and eagerness in the her arms that lingered in the air, wanting more, and her thought that "It was so priceless when I kissed Chloe" betray her insecure introspection, reveal that it is a self-deluding dismissal of feelings that come natural to her.
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A great piece of journal entry from that morning...

"The truly heartbreaking image was the last photo William ever took: Chloe and I making pancakes in the kitchen. Joyce really misses that joyful, optimistic girl... I know she's still there... when Chloe smiled at me this morning, I saw her. The picture seemed to sum up everything we had as children and lost as adults... whatever being and "adult" means."

It means recapturing that, carrying our optimism and joy, our hopes and dreams, into adulthood. Not "growing out" of them. The child is the mother of the woman. And together, they did. Become adults, in finding their childhood selves, in each other, and resuming the growth where it had been halted five years back, capturing and rekindling and carrying then that childhood joy and optimism and carelessness and happiness and love into their adult lives.
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>>170015053
>"Besides, I think Chloe sees Rachel in her future..." to me suggests Max is thinking about the prospect of her future with Chloe, and more specifically, in the context of the kiss, a romantical future.

I agree, and I meant this in the original question, actually. My main contention was with the casuality of its saying.

I think what you expressed in the rest of your comment was well displayed in the nightmare sequence.
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>>170015509
Amazing journal entry.

When Joyce says, "That's the last time I ever saw Chloe truly happy," I said to myself, "No, no, she's still happy."
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>>170014650
It's Max once again writing herself off as not good enough for something.
Max is insecure and that only really changes once she saves Kate on the roof (Giving her more confidence in speaking), wins the contest in another timeline (Giving her confidence in her ability as a photographer) and in her nightmare (Giving her confidence in her ability as a romantic partner).
The whole game Max is comparing herself to others and thinking the others come out on top. Once Max hears about Rachel, who on the surface seems perfect, it puts her down even more. Once Max starts paying more attention, learning, and being forced into situations where she has to come out on top, she realizes just how great she is in her own respect.

>>170016245
One of the biggest bummers from me was there wasn't any closure to Chloe's family story. Just some words showing the desire to be nicer to each other. Should have been shown as part of an epilogue.

Something like a year or two down the line, the house is repaired and fully painted, and the family plus Max are sitting outside having a cook out.
David cooking burgers and stuff on the grill, Joyce making sides, and Chloe having a beer while Max photographs them looking like an actual family.
Of course to get to that point would require a lot of work and counseling, but I think they'd manage it.
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How would you react if Life is Strange - Season 2 is announced at E3?
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>>170015849
Reading the journal, I also find it is often rather casual and doesn't always capture the sentimentality of the moments it ponders. A disconnect of the feeling of the scene and the tone of the writing.

But it still works, at latest when we interpret it more around her personality and the concept of her development, as well as just the fact that it was written with the idea in mind to read as the journal of a young girl. So while it does have Max's sentimental awareness and emotional understanding in it, sometimes beautifully, poetically so, it also has a teenage simplicity and thus a disparity in mood of the rich, intricate cinematical scenes and an often necessarily rather practical examination of them, in text.

The drawings help give it its own charm though, and it does definitely work with the narrative - psychologically, but sometimes even emotionally, sentimentally, tonally, poetically and that.

>>170016245
I thought that too. Maybe more of a "She's truly happy, again.", though.

She had a happiness with Rachel too, but obviously nowhere near "truly happy". The suggestion of her being able to attain true happiness again, find her younger, truer self again, it breaking through to her, that comes with Max.

On that note, I always loved thinking about how much more content and happy Chloe's morning on that day is than it must have been in months. Years. It's the happiest she's been, waking up after that night of being back in action with her mate, waking at the side someone she loves, that's back with her, still there. The contrast of the stressful, lonely and sad mornings she must have had plenty of, no outlook for the day but missing people in her life, to this peaceful and beautiful and giddy morning, dare kiss and all, the excitement and anticipation of adventures to come, an entire fucking future, with the idea of hope and love... that makes me so damn happy for Chloe.
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>>170017934
Joy and also skepticism.
I'd feel bad the Vampyr team immediately getting overshadowed.
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>>170018164

I'm rather looking forward to the Vampyr game, I really like this bit with the creepy command someone to do something voice at 11:01

https://youtu.be/b5uQp2VM5nQ?t=11m1s
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>>170018007
Oh, definitely. It's so good to see Chloe happy like that, but authentically happy, totally loving the day.

"How can it be such a shitty week yet one of the best of my life?"

When she said that, it was such a humbling moment for her, a simplicity in her desire to simply be loved have some hope, and such a fantastic person she is, God, she deserves that and everything more. For Chloe, though, Max is that and everything more.
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>>170018714
Dontnod still can't into lip sync I see.
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>>170018714
I really like the atmosphere of this game.
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>>170016775
And it also helps that Chloe tells her how awesome she is, so frequently!

Chloe's encouraging, challenging and complimenting, as well as just her caring for her, makes Max so much more secure and confident in herself. Her natural comfortableness with and around Chloe, the naturalness and self-explanatory nature of their feelings for each other and even in their romance, soothes her, comes to understand she doesn't have to prove herself, that Chloe has her back unconditionally just like she does in turn. The transition of a lonely, insecure, anxious Max, to one entangled with Chloe, comfortable, content, secure, confident... that's wonderful to see. Max in Chloe's arms, that's so perfect. Pic related: "You're awesome...", Chloe said while she hugged Max there.

I also mourn the lack of a family reunion. Joyce sees how much better Chloe is with Max, and we can choose to believe she survives to see also the ultimate form, The Final Pricefield Form, the culmination of all that healing, the great thing they've become together... but that we don't see that in the game is a real bummer. To see Joyce take Chloe in her arms after the storm, similar to Sbel's ending, that would have been powerful. They always loved each other, and after that, with Chloe having realized and found out so much, about herself, but also the people in her life, Rachel, William, David, Joyce, and Joyce just being so happy that Chloe is alive... that reunion would have been beautiful to see.

>>170018784
That cheeky pandering to my heart in the last sentence.

Yes, that and everything more. In their world, them being whole and shining bright, together - that is what they deserve, what their world was made for.
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>>170019109
It looks fantastically atmospheric.

The story looks interesting, and vampires are my shit.
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>>169976631
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>>170019538
Is that Max and Kate sitting opposite Chloe?
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>>170018007
She was so happy and excited, she probably screamed in her pillow, and smoked a blunt not out of habit, but because she truly needed a little THC to gather herself again.
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>>170018164
>I'd feel bad the Vampyr team immediately getting overshadowed.

Damn right. I don't think they will announce S2 not until after some time Vampyr is released.
My bet is on early/mid 2018 and I hope /lisg/ is alive until there.
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>>169996843
I agree, it was a bittersweet ending, the song should've been sad and tragic, yet uplifting and hopeful at same time.

Something like this, but more in line with LiS's aesthetics:

https://youtu.be/d1bQ4Xh1er4
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>>170019962
Look at how she looks at Max.

Happy Chlo' Chlo' best Chlo' Chlo'.
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>>170018714
>>170019109
I'm interested. Vampires, dark London, and World War 1. It could be really.
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>>170020147
>Max's nipple

REWIND HER NIP NIP
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>>170020147
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I miss having bingos with /lisg/
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>>170020147
Her morning sun.
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>>170019184
Sbel's ending it what came to my mind as well.
The both of them teary-eyed and apologizing.
Joyce for expecting Chloe to move on when she had nothing to move on to and and saying she's sorry to hear about Rachel, Chloe saying sorry for all the shit she's her mother through and kind of hinting to being sorry for all the damage the storm caused.
David shows up and Chloe even gives him a hug and the both of them try to apologize at the same time but it just ends as a simple "Glad you're alright". That relationship would take some time to build, but they would grow closer as the years went on.
And beside them all is Max. Who Joyce eagerly invites into the family hug.
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>>170020130
That works.

Honestly, it wouldn't have worked, but a pure instrumental would have been good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5AG5Rl-ziQ
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>>170020147
Max is flat as fuck
I'm not complaining
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>>170019962
>After the kiss, Chloe buries her face in the pillow and hugs it, kicking her feet while going "oh my god" over and over
>Then she lights up a little bit and breaths so she can come downstairs, looking totally calm
>Her mind is still screaming and inner-Chloe is doing a victory dance
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>>170021054
Stop objectifying Max.
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>>170020917
I want them to cuddle!

Dontnod, DLC for all the times we don't see in the game, when? They totally cuddled that night, and Max whispered about marrying Chloe in her dreams, in Chloe's arms: https://instaud.io/8Gy

>>170020130
It is a great song, and there's a whole world of post-rock songs I could also see in the ending, indeed with a more melancholic buildup, but an uplifting, and powerfully hopeful crescendo and peak, then pacing down again, with them driving off.

But I still maintain Obstacles is the perfect ending song. The ending cinematic just should have been more well-made altogether...

>>170020945
Yeah, all that.

Thankfully, at least Sbel's ending does exist. But still, I will always wish the ending cinematic would have been greater.

>>170021054
She is not as flat as it seems in her clothing.

But I don't really wanna post the respectablebewbs.png again.

>>170021393
And Max's mind... well:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bYIZv91dyU
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>>169884964
MARI WAS RIGHT
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>>170020802
A- Are these just crossed out randomly.
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>>169884964
MatPat got absolutely BTFO when he did his absurd "For Honor" video. The only videos he does that have much research beyond playing the game and reading Wikipedia are his FNAF videos, which is unfortunate since the creator of FNAF's writing style is equivalent to emptying a dustbin over a dead body and calling it a mystery. Plus it's designed for 10 year olds.
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>>170020802
I would cross out Rachel's Mystery on that too, it felt way too abrupt to conclude her story, I thought it was a red-herring twist and that she wasn't really *dead*, considering she was the entire plot device of the game.

There was so much more about her that just got dropped in ep5 in favor for an infodump by Jefferson and a quick line by Chloe.
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>>170021425
Max can stand microaggressions.

No safe zone needed.
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>>170022376
You will now have to do penance.
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>>170023204
The For Honor video wasn't even the worst. The Blair Witch theory video was pretty wretched. He claimed that the two guys murdered the girl and failed to explain a shitload of holes with the theory (what was the motive, where did the two go after the search began, how did the police fail to find the spooky house, etc., etc.).
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Mari's theories will be right again in Season 2.
Screencap this.
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>>170025767
Well you throw enough shit at the wall and some is bound to stick.
I'm ready for S2. To have the mystery, theories, and new discussions here again. But I also don't want to get hyped to the point a disappointment causes me anguish.
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>>170025767
>>170027458
I'm pretty sure she already influenced Season 2.
Pic related.
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Nightcall drive.

https://track3.mixtape.moe/wzgpqu.webm
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Max and Chloe cameo/ easter egg in Season 2!
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>>170027657
I think we had other Anons go there so they offset her idiocy with logic and reason.
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>>170029304
Max and Chloe main characters in Season 2! :^
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>>170029504
Not gonna happen >>169857905
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>>170029210
Perfect
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>>170029584
*screeching*
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>>170023968
Fuck your microaggressions.

This really is a safe-non lewd space!
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>>170029210
Max the dark knight fighting her way through the doomed universe, to her Chloe.
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>>170030942
Damn, that shot is pure kino

Reminds me of pic
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>>170029504
Season 3!
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True.

The guy's gallery is full of kino: deadendthrills.com/gallery/?gid=130
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>Max and her family visit her grandmother
>Grandma Caulfied's eyesight is not what it used to be
>She sees Chloe
>"Oh Maxine, nice of you to bring your boyfriend"
>Max starts laughing
>Chloe interjects "Excuse me, I'm a girl. My name's Chloe."
>Grandma Caulfield apologizes "Oh. Sorry dear. Nice to meet you, Chloe...well at least I don't have to worry about Maxine getting pregnant"
>Vanessa hears and just stares ahead with a 'You really said that?' face, Ryan laughs
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>>170031671 for >>170031150.
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>>170031782
Very nice.
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>>170031671
There are some great ones in there. Polarized had some really nice visuals.
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>>170031782
Should be "Excuse me: Girlfriend. My name's Chloe."

Otherwise on point.

Although, instead of the pregnant bit, maybe have Grandma Caulfield say she won't have to worry about great grandchildren now... "Then I would feel too old.", lol.

>>170032027
LiS definitely did do the darker aesthetic well too.

Some stunning shots of Max.

Of Chloe too, but unfortunately not really her face. I bet he'd have captured her brilliantly too.

I have taken a lot of custom shots myself, but his selection is pretty great. He's a sort of professional in-game photograph. Megares and all.
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Filename.
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>>170032767
That wording probably is better. An older lady being more subtle, even if it's funny when they are really blunt.
And I've had that image of Max saved but never knew where it came from. I know now.
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>>170033531
Everyday
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>>170031671
Cute birdy and cute Maxi
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>>170037924
Chloe's face and Max biting her lip makes me think Max just whispered something hella lewd to her girlfriend
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>>170038147
Maybe they're sat somewhere semi-public, and Max just encouraged Chloe to ride her right hand up a little further...

No, that is too hella lewd.
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>>170038790
Whatever they do I'm sure they would both wait until they were back in somewhere private
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>>170039185
A little public teasing is just adventurous and sexy enough, but yeah, if they get too eager, they bail to go somewhere private.

>Max and Chloe sat in the Two Whales
>Joyce notices Max is sitting in Chloe's lap again
>the race is on
>can Joyce finish making their breakfast before they are off to love each other?
The homeless woman is happy to eat their meals whenever that happens.
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Damn Chloe...
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>>170039996
Chloe and Kate would become good friends that help each other!
Chloe would become like Kate's big sister and Chloe could talk to her about Max.
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>>170040565
Sometimes when Chloe's working at the diner she tosses a few bucks in the register, makes some food, and then brings it out to the lady or invites her in to eat it.
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>>170043874
>On the wall inside their apartment
Max needed to rebuild her photo wall, she lost some shots in her dorm room
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>>170043428
Wowsers, uhh, this is a pretty intense interview process just for a photography job.

Hey uh, was this a lunch room, w-why is the couch so stained?
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>>170043428
Why Max looks so uncomfortable
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>170043428
You're hella gross
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>>170048284
This is a blue board.
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>>170048284
If it's snowing, and that's all they're wearing, they're going to get cold! D:
Bundle up girls!
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Season 2 with a snow setting would be goat
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>>170048764
Yeah. The Autumn setting was great, I'd love to see another season.
Winter with the snow or maybe Spring with a constant rain.
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>>170049598
Chloe is strong!
Wish there was a larger and higher quality version of that
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I know this is old but...
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I think we all know why chloe really wants a dog. She wants the knot.
Someone who she can mess with and that won't tell.
Second beat thing to her finding a guy to call daddy.

Wonder what fantasies max has. Probably something involving a teacher.
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>>170052194
Whatever you say Mr. Jefferson
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>>170051541
I don't think they come here anymore. I'm sure they appreciate we're still going but they won't address the flaws in the writing and plot.
While things may be looked at TOO closely here (I'm guilty of it at times), certain things are done poorly and simply cannot be ignored if you want to remain honest while playing/ talking about the game.
Hopefully they know we do appreciate the game and every criticism offered is because we wanted it to end so much better like it deserved to.
It's also easier for a company to keep track over a Subreddit than a 4chan general/ separate threads.
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>>170051484
Found it on instagram, so chances are there is a larger version out there... but I couldn't find it either.
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I'm sure at some point (After it's rebuilt) Max and Chloe will go back to the lighthouse. Maybe even sneak up onto the top of it to watch the sunset unobscured.
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>>170054449
Hopefully one will pop up eventually. But Instagram has the problem of butchering quality, cropping out water marks or just other parts of the image, and rarely giving credit.
So unless the uploader was the artist as well, and left a link, chances are it won't be found.
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>70 posters

And people saying we're dying...
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>>170056753
Funny how harassment from /v/irgins and trolls only make us stronger.

Just like Kate
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>>170056753
I'll not let /lisg/ die.
At least not until S2 announcement.
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Reminder that /v/ is more realistic about LiS than /lisg/.
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>>170056753
>>170057114
We've still got a long ways to go until S2.
But I have faith we can make it. Vampyr and news that comes will bring more new topics to discuss. And we'll always have the stuff from S1 as well.

>>170056871
Every shitpost brings out the real posters to remind trolls that they do not dictate this general.

>>170057248
I find it hilarious that /v/ and the LiS subreddit often have the same opinions. I bet that would really burn their ass to learn.
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[Image of Max and Chloe cuddling while asleep]
Sweet dreams /lisg/! ZZZzzzz
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>>170058604
Sleep well.
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Max is cute!
C U T E
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Morning, foxes!
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>>170062308
Morning.
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>>170061530
Agreed.
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>>170064570
>Friendly reminder that this was the last time Kate ever saw Max before her "friend" abandoned her beneath the hospital's rubble
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>>170065370
Chloe with her natural coloured hair and that cut looks so cute.

>>170062308
>>170062634
Morning comfies.
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>>170065370

Sleep tight Buttercup

:'(
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>>170067741
R-rewind this.
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Wake up, you sleepy bastard!
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>>170072201
Let it sleep.
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>>170030942
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>Pae 10 again

what the fuck
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>>170046679
Chloe as well. The inteviewer asked Chloe about the shape of Max's labia as her mom walked in.
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>>170081040
Rewinding to page 1!
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>>170081575
That's not what's happening.

Max and Chloe are there for a lewd photography shoot, Max nervously looks at the camera, or someone intimidating in the camera crew, since she isn't sure about it.

Chloe probably organized the whole thing, hence her slight smirk and excitement as she discusses the terms.

A pretty well-made dark photo, to see the disparity between Max and Chloe, and Chloe's lack of awareness towards Max's discomfort.
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>>170031782
That's not a cool thing to say. Chloe would blow up at that.

>>170027657
I moved back a month to late for that. Shit.

>>170020917
Chloe takes a photo of Max...without photobombing?

>>170020945
I preferred Sbel's ending, but would have rather Max and Chloe stopped the storm without a sacrifice or, perhaps, sacrificed a combination of Nathan, Jefferson and Sean.

>>169949868
>So no, Chloe would not still be "fucking around" up to the start of the game. That stopped years before Max came back when she met Rachel.

It's unclear when she met Rachel. Chloe has a tendency to exaggerate, which you've admitted in other posts. Her tone and posturing while naming Amber her angel suggest that it was an over-dramatic statement. Some of it might have been after the disappearance. Losing her, in the same way she lost Max and William, showed her how important relationships were to her.

I agree that meeting Rachel triggered a self-revelation in Chloe, but the swiftness of the change is unclear.

>Your idea that owning condoms must equal sexual activeness is just absurd.
>Your idea that owning peanut butter must equal enjoying and eating peanut butter is absurd.
>Why rapist?

Aside from prostitution or having sex with men, there's no reason for her to have condoms. You've yet to provide a compelling reason for her to have them otherwise.

>What I actually consider counter-canon is your idea that Chloe was still sleeping around.

That's a good point. I was speaking out of my ass when I said that. Chloe was holding onto the idea that Rachel was still alive and out there tightly. It's difficult to imagine her actively sleeping around while the target of her romantic interest was still alive, if only in her head. Her picking up John's is a more realistic scenario.

I'll empathize something that I should've from the beginning of the condom discussion: They were ill-placed and have little relevance to canon. This discussion contains more theory than fact.
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>>169957162
>It would make her a liar, a hypocrite, a cheater.
>Hypocrite

Chloe is a bit of a hypocrite at times. She's harsh with Max and blames her mom for her father's death. Price avoids responsibility for her personal failings. She had a hard time handling a difficult situation and took it out on those around her.


>>169957891
>You can get condoms for free from schools or some doctor's offices.Having them means nothing.

They're not after dinner mints. Condoms have a specific purpose. If she picked them up, she had a reason for doing so.
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>>170057447
>I find it hilarious that /v/ and the LiS subreddit often have the same opinions. I bet that would really burn their ass to learn.

That is ironic.
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>>170052781
No anon, you just don't get the depth of the ending. We made you like and connect with someone then tried to take them away from you. Isn't that incredible?
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>>170084608
Her posture and tone suggest she didn't know what to call her, that they weren't dating, but she really was everything to her. Hence hesitation before "angel".
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>>170051541
>I wish the'd actually talk about the game
>Ending comes out
>Nonstop talk about how shit it is, even a flow diagram as to why it doesn't make sense
Nigga probably felt like Chloe, seeing the town actually get destroyed after wishing it would happen.
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>>170084608
>Your idea that owning peanut butter must equal enjoying and eating peanut butter is absurd.
That's not the same thing at all. The condoms could just as well be leftovers; we know she did have a past where she could have needed condoms, and the game places them to highlight precisely that, adding authenticity to her claims and past, by ways of environmental storytelling, adding authenticity, introducing "sex" as a theme in a coming-of-age story, contrasting precisely Chloe's sexual experience against Max's inexperience. And condoms do not equal enjoying hookups in the same way peanut butter would equal enjoying peanut butter.

To tie that into your weird analogy: If you find a glass of peanut butter at someone's place that had outright told you they used to eat peanut butter but consider it gross now, it is absolutely reasonable to assume it is leftover peanut butter. That glass of peanut butter being there does not necessarily have to mean they still eat it, that they lied. There are more possible reasons to have a glass of peanut butter in your house. It does not imperatively follow that you eat and enjoy it. And condoms can also be used for other things, like lesbian sex, which could mean she had kept them after having met Rachel in, for example, the vague hope that she would one day be a thing with her. That would be like finding a nut breaker in someone's home and concluding they eat peanuts, and thus must also enjoy peanut butter.

Man (Woman), you have me talking about sex and peanut butter analogously.
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>>170084608
>but would have rather Max and Chloe stopped the storm without a sacrifice
That's why I'm really starting to like the idea the storm was linked to Rachel.
She died and became a spirit, her emotions let loose and caused the storm, and then she tracked down Max to give her a warning (Visions of the storm) and the power. But she couldn't speak directly to her so the message was jumbled.
In the Bae ending the storm happens and that's it. Max and Chloe leave together.
In the Bay ending, Max thinks she's linked to the storm, and after Chloe's death, Chloe's spirit calms Rachel's and the storm stops.
This is why the storm is still coming in the alt timeline; Rachel still died.

Still both not very good choices (Bay ending is still flatout a disaster, logicially). The best option is Max to save Rachel which negates the storm and numerous other bad events suffered by characters.
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>>170084723
And there is absolutely no indication of when she got them so they very well could be old leftovers. Not that it matters because she gets rid of them.
You just keep bringing it up to shitpost and lay bait that Chloe is some kind of whore, which to you is "character development". You may be stupider than Michel.
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>>170084608
>Her picking up John's is a more realistic scenario.
It's equally - and actually even more - counter-canonical. Well, I will say it would be less counter-character, since the motivation is obviously very different, but only negligibly to an extent where it is still very unreasonable, and indeed, "theory" - and even less: it's pure speculation that goes against some canonical facts.

But it's good to know you don't actually have this image of her in mind, as a head-canon, and like that image of her or anything. Again, as I told someone else, I wonder why, if you like her character, you'd even entertain such a miserable, sad spot for her, when she's had a more than miserable and sad enough path as is.

Discussion is always welcome as far as I am concerned, but the topics you always seem to gravitate toward... I'm sure we two could have nice conversations and productive discussions here, about things that for once do not have to do with these characters fucking guys. As we did when we talked about Nathan.

>>170084723
Lashing out in emotional turmoil doesn't make her a hypocrite as a personality, which she would absolutely have to be if she could genuinely be in dismay and feel betrayed by Rachel posing for someone, but her all the while having slept around for fun no big deal.

And she's not harsh with Max even in those moments. She was having a meltdown, and still listened to Max and took back something she threw around, apologized the same day. She does not really take out on people around her. Certainly not on Max, and Joyce, David and Nathan absolutely deserve the shit they get from her. Joyce less so, but she did also do Chloe wrong. Her "avoiding responsibility" comes from a place of hurt, and she acknowledges this at various points in the game. I. e. she is not hypocritical. More, she is self-deprecative, has issues with her self-worth, to an extent.
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Chloe is not an angel, of course not; she has flaws, and also flaws that are her own... but she is a caring, loving, sensitive, "good" person, at her core all the more so, and we see this wonderfully coming out, growing, healing with Max back in her life. She is definitely not a person that would lie like that, "cheat" on what she thought was something meaningful with Rachel, let alone with the idea she'd do so for "fun", and she is not characterized as a dishonest, hypocritical person either, that would naturally be so emotionally incongruent to curse someone for something she'd be doing in worse form for fun.

As I've admitted, I do also project. But I will never see this punk rocker Chloe that others tend to. It's just not in the game for me, and I know you also appreciate her character beyond the idea of a punk song lyric, a troubled "LGB youth" that fits your idea of a stereotype in that setting. She is a very unique, specific character, with an unique, specific past, in a unique, specific setting. And in that, I think while it is not absurd to think her like you sometimes do, i. e. the promiscuous bisexual gigolo-type, it's just not the significance and... soul of her character, and absolutely not that of the narrative build around her and Max. Which I know you know, you have pointed out that you do love their relationship, consider it something valuable and precious, as narrative experience and otherwise. One of the reasons why I still talk with you at all, after all our head-butting.
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>>170087219
Then why keep the peanut butter in a place where she would use it on a regular basis? Were it in a trash can or a tucked away box, I'd agree, but her coat pocket implies regular use or a preference for quick access.

>>170087731
>The best option is Max to save Rachel which negates the storm and numerous other bad events suffered by characters.

That's an interesting angle. The developers were clear that the doe was Rachel. She had some knowledge of the storm. That could make sense or hint that there was more to the mysterious Ms. Amber than the plot revealed.

>>170087887
>You just keep bringing it up to shitpost and lay bait that Chloe is some kind of whore, which to you is "character development".

It's a long running topic of discussion between myself and others.

>You may be stupider than Michel.

Dumb enough to get your money.

>>170087889
>Again, as I told someone else, I wonder why, if you like her character, you'd even entertain such a miserable, sad spot for her, when she's had a more than miserable and sad enough path as is.

I'm very close to the Chloe Price character for a lot of reasons. Seeing her helped me embrace my transgender identity and show me a light at the end of the tunnel.

That doesn't mean I don't recognize her flaws.

>She is a very unique, specific character, with an unique, specific past, in a unique, specific setting.

Exactly. I don't see her as a stereotype or a charicature. I also don't romanticize her. People do soul crushing things to survive in bad situations. It's the nature of life. It's clear we differ in our philosophical outlooks. I take a much dimmer perspective on life.

>I'm sure we two could have nice conversations and productive discussions here, about things that for once do not have to do with these characters fucking guys.
I agree.

>>170088520
>i. e. the promiscuous bisexual gigolo-type

Have you watched The L Word?
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>>170089106
>Then why keep the peanut butter in a place where she would use it on a regular basis?
...She kept it in a place where she also kept an old burger shack receipt and used bus tickets. Will you argue she uses that receipt and those invalid tickets regularly? I would wager she does not use them at all.

>That doesn't mean I don't recognize her flaws.
She does have flaws, as I pointed out, but that you'd even want to entertain the thought of her having prostituted herself is just weird to me, if you like her. Again, it's pure speculation that goes against some canonical facts, and you go there due to two stray condoms... because? Even if she liked meaningless sex (which, again, I don't think), this would still be a very miserable spot to imagine her in, so why do you not only do that, but do so with such insistence? Melancholy and a look on the bleaker sides of life is worthwhile, for me very much so as well. But if we must, with LiS, let's concentrate on the canonically already very much existing melancholy of her past, and not add to it?

I don't think we can say from this we have different outlooks on life philosophically - I am not blind to the misery of life, not ignorantly nor philosophically. But we absolutely seem to have a different outlook on this game. I do obviously romanticize the narrative heavily, see it as a great big exploration of a great big love... but there absolutely is touching romance and something so endearing in and between these characters that you also see, so why this tendency to dwell or speculate on the misery of their past, and specifically a sexual, anti-romantical misery?

>Have you watched The L Word?
Nope. Is it good?
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>...She kept it in a place where she also kept an old burger shack receipt and used bus tickets. Will you argue she uses that receipt and those invalid tickets regularly? I would wager she does not use them at all.

It's common for discarded paper to show up in anyone's jacket pocket. It's strange for a non-sexually active lesbian to carry condoms. If she was repulsed by men and her previous phase, she wouldn't carry them around.

>this would still be a very miserable spot to imagine her in, so why do you not only do that, but do so with such insistence?

That's how I see her.

The bleakness makes the romance that much more meaningful. For someone in such a broken down state to find wholeness is beautiful and life affirming. Even if she only gets it for a few days in an alternative reality or loses it temporarily, possibly permanently, after seeing a town wracked by natural disaster for a chance to continue it. Regardless of which ending, the tragic Chloe finding not only resolution, but happiness means that much more.

>Nope. Is it good?
It's entertaining and insightful. I recommend checking it out for the Shane character. There are a lot of parallels between her and Chloe.

I'm feeling a little emotive so maybe later I'll post my "personal and emotional" reasoning for choosing the Bay ending as you've been curious about in the past. It has more to do with my understanding of the characters and how they relate to myself. My therapist says I should be more open about who I am and less bitter and angry. Maybe showing some of my softer side here will help.
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>>170056871
Except if she kills herself

like she did on my playthrough
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Nope, couldn't say it with a... straight...face.
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>>170091567
>she wouldn't carry them around.
Perhaps, again, this is pure speculation. I did in the context of the argument always point at possible reasons not only for the devs to have out them there, but for them to be there also from a character perspective. It's primarily about your idea that they ~must~ means she's sleeping around that is absurd, that there would be no other reasons. Because that is in itself simply not logically compelling, and because it is characterally and narratively unreasonable. In my reading more so than yours, but also in yours, and any honest, objective reading of canon.

>tragic Chloe finding not only resolution, but happiness means that much more.
Yes, but again, that sadness of her past, its tragedy, is canonically very much established. Or are you going full Michel and saying we should come up with even worse misery in their pasts to appreciate their happiness more? Wouldn't you think it weird if I started to argue vehemently on the idea that Max has a history of being sexually abused by her father? I'm sure I could find something in the game I could delusionally center that argument around, and then I would defend its delusion against canonical counter-arguments with "she's all the happier for it now!"...

I really don't see how you can like a character, relate to them, even as a person, connect on such a level as we do... and then go and use them like that, inject more sadness and bleakness into their characters, let alone for an effect the narrative already very much accomplishes.

But in as much as you've also admitted this was pure theorizing on the condoms, I guess I still appreciate it as talking on some "constructive" level about the game at all.

And would definitely read your elaboration on your stance on the ending. I will not do the tired greentext thing and take it apart to argue where I disagree and whatnot, I will just read it and perhaps reply on a more personal note on what I relate to in it.
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