/domg/ - Dominions general

first for xibalban intellectuals

>>169746929
TAKE YOUR FUCKING TURN
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=DontStaleDesuSempai3

>>169747098
WE'RE TRYING!

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Nobody saw that.

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>>169748009

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>>169748009

>>169747321
is it a newbie game

http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=DontStaleDesuSempai3

Again I want to see if there is any interest for a DONTSTALE game. I'm fed up with all these stales.

I want to keep carrying on the tradition of dontstale. Send in your pretenders and I'll gauge how many people are interested and adjust the map/settings as needed.

>>169751117
no

>>169751324
Oh right forgot about the steam group discussion. Post your nations there.

>>169751117
From newb to intermediate. I don't mind 1 veter or two if it gets big enough.

>>169751357
no Idea who this guy is.

>>169751546
>>169751324
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/vanheimageofvidya/discussions/0/135510378523776607/
jesus christ let's try that again.

>>169751324
Might join as Shinuyama if I can figure them out tomorrow.

>>169751661
d-do I have to?

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>>169747723
It's gone, man

>>169753781
yes nigger

Set Xibalba AI or I'll set myself AI.

>>169759008

And who are you?

>>169759154
Xibalba

>>169759154
Ulm

>>169759368
>>169761603
Both of these are me.

>>169759008
why wouldn't he just unstart delete Xibalba and restart?

>>169762051

That's fine too, but I refuse to play in a game with some absolute nigger like this Xibalba who takes almost the entire host time the first three turns and never does double turns.

Double nigger

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post you're micro hells

>>169759008

Also, you could just forcehost every time he's the last one left. That'd be fine too.

Sceli actually did do his turn.

He set himself AI before I could swap him to the sub.

He managed to get me good, that guy.

Middle of night, new thread, let's keep recruiting!

http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=ElfingAround

Age:MA
Mods: Everything is an elf

Hey Ashdod

Don't forget to Frog and/or Toad

>>169771405
Expansion with invisible indies will be super fun.

>>169744205
No, I meant not a "NEETSONLY" game, please.

>>169774210
FrogandSent sorry about the stale last turn

>>169759008
>>169762051
>>169762263
>>169768748
Let's no descend into autcracy. Also I don't know if this corresponds to the will of the other players.

Some comment from Xibalba would be nice though, as I'm having doubts if he's even a /domg/ players given his lack of this basic courtesy. If he isn't that would make communication annoying.

Any protips to maintain more than 8 games once?

>>169774210
I'm calling that Atlantis is gonna stale this turn.

>>169751324
>be interested in playing Kailasa with a interesting innovative build
>check if it's available
>someone picked it
Time to kill myself.

>>169779025
Become NEET.

>>169779051
Ironic. The game was basically made for him to play that.

>>169779085
But then Bandar kicked him out of the game.

>>169779053
>not making your turns in work

How the fuck do you play Shinuyama?
Most of your summons need Turmoil, but your main mage is so expensive that it's probably not an option.
Most of your troops fucking suck and make you want to take Sloth, but then there are Dai Bakemono who is resource intensive.

>>169779025
Learn a bunch of the hotkeys. Formation and troop order hotkey make scripting battles much faster (and learn how to copy/paste mage scripts if you somehow haven't already).

Hotkeys can make your life easier in other areas too. Blood hunting got much less of a chore once I found out about the hotkeys, and I wouldn't be surprised if you could get similar gains in other areas.

>>169779052
What innovative strategy?

>>169779025
Play a different nation and on a different map in each game. Helps avoid confusion.

>>169779521
>not making Dominions your work
I for one, have high hopes of Dominions 5 becoming an e-sport.

>>169779608
If I tell you you will steal it!
I never tell my innovations before playing them ;^)

>>169779589

I've seen people achieve some success going full scales and relying on the Dai Bakemono. I mean, I haven't seen them WIN, but they were pretty big and put up a pretty good fight.

>>169779653
t. nick

>>169779589
Dai Bakemono are your best troops, and actually do pretty decent in combat.. I'd definitely take production for them, otherwise you're stuck fighting your battles with low protection chaff.

For mages you get kind of fucked, either go with Sorcerers and pay tons for guys who are super old age or you can go with Uba and end up with the majority being pretty useless. I think I'd recruit mostly Uba and try to make them useful however I can, because I don't think Sorcerers are good enough to beat out 3 Uba.

Ignore your national death summons. Dai Oni don't need Turmoil and the rest are terrible.

>>169779684
I wanted to tell you why it was shit, desu.

I've had my fill of playing Kailasa for a long while. Their troops are too terrible early, and the nation isn't good enough lategame to make up for it.

>>169780169
You are shit, there is always a strategy that makes any nation viable.

In League terms: WAIT FOR KOREA

Does trampling count as an attack for the purpose of stuff like awe?

>>169779653
I hope it becomes a MOBA.
ULM

>>169780369
yes

>>169780275
>there is a strategy which can make Kailasa a decent nation
I don't believe you.

>>169780712
Don't know, I think I can do something cool even if they suck.

>>169780169
Advice on pretender design?
I think I'd take A4 since those buffs are important lategame and other than that full scales? I mean they can craft most other boosers themself and summon shit that cast those spells for them.
Maybe A4E1 so you can get late game mobile Dai Tengu buff support? Or can that be covered by Fairy Queens?
Magic scales for Ubas?

Jesus Christ, their pretender choices suck.

>>169781106
You can have them if host delets me.
I enjoy innovative strategies

>>169781189
You need to ask yourself a question: can I expand with Shinu?

You probably can't, so take an erf snek. If you can, A4E4S4-6 diversity titan might be a good choice.

>>169781459
Now I feel bad, senpai. Are you sure?

>>169781106
Just played a Kailasa game (ended in a strong lategame with 2 other powers) and have refined my future strat...I'll show you mine if you show me yours

I'm going to need a 12h extension for this turn.
Sorry guys, life got busy.

>>169781189
Dai Tengu are available much earlier in research than Faery Queens, use a different gem type, and come with a retinue of decent flying soldiers. They're very worth grabbing paths for on your pretender.

I'd also like to grab enough death for eventual tarts, but I can't seem to make something affordable which does so.

I wouldn't bother with magic scales for Uba unless you have excess points - 13RP each is already pretty high.

My current ideas are:

F3D5 Bakemono Kunshu, dormant. Great scales, tarts late, can SC. Doesn't get Dai Tengu, though.

F2A2E1D5 Bakemono Kunshu, dormant. Everything the above does, with slightly worse scales (points come out of magic scales, which aren't super important for the nation anyway). Can get Dai Tengu too, but you'd need to empower a Dai Tengu for air booster access (or buy it).

A4E2S5 Celestial General, dormant. Gets you air boosters and Dai Tengu with eventual access to rings (for great magical diversity) if you get some astral income. I think I like this one the most, but it'd have a harder time getting into tarts lategame than either of the above.

Do any of those look interesting to you?

>>169782313
This is a good point. All of the above designs take prod 3, but even that might not be enough to get a decent expansion.

>>169782429
("Innovative" sacred archer strats not accepted)

>>169783436
>>169782429
If you tell me your build and is better than mine, I'll maybe try yours.
What was it?

>>169782572
Probably the Celestial General.
I'd still love to have more pretender choices on Shinuyama.

>>169783609
>I'd still love to have more pretender choices on Shinuyama.
Yeah, me too. Japanese nations really get the short stick in pretender choices. Few options, and many of them are worse than comparable options on other nations.

>>169783969
>Japanese nations really get the short stick in pretender choices.
All Asian nations are like that, actually. What hurts them the most is lack of monster pretenders (other than erf snek, I guess), which tend to be very cost-effective, both as awake expanders and bless chassis.

>>169784165
*cost-efficient, obviously. I need to sleep.

>>169783587
A generous offer, but I believe I asked you first.
Also I think there's basically no chance your build is better. I've spent a ton of time with Kailasa.

>>169784687
I think the same about yours. What game was that one? Didn't see a kailasa player that got it right.

Were you Stalewarriors Kailasa for a casual?

>>169784165
That feel when no Gashadokuro pretender for Yomi and Shinu.

>>169784950

There's so much mad shit you could use for pretenders for those nations. Like the ghost with a giant eyeball in his asshole.

>>169784762
It wasn't a domg game, it was on Dom4Mods. Have you played a lot of Kailasa though? I don't think there's any build that I would consider better than mine...and you may feel the same. Absolutely no harm in posting pretender builds for example on domg. It just depends on how detailed you want to get. If I hear something genuinely new I'm happy to share my build and strategy, which imo is a more effective Kailasa than most people have seen.

>>169785194
Gashadokuro would be pretty rad though.

>undead
>stealthy
>invulnerable
>dark power
>population killer
>grab and swallow attack

>>169785390

>skeleton fifteen times the size of a man.
>stealthy.

I love it.

>>169785429

To be fair, what would YOU do if a skeleton fifteen times the size of a man told you that you hadn't seen it and to carry on about your day?

>>169785820

Go on my merry way and hope to god he's not here to blood hunt.

>>169785236
The thing is you already mocked on part of my build, so there is no reason to post it since you will consider it retarded. That's why I want to know why don't you consider at least a minor air bless for your sacred archers.

I feel like saying "you dont need a bless for archers" because Kailasa is a mage nation is like saying you dont want W9 for your vanheres because EA Van is a thug nation.

Sacred longbows is one of the only things Kailasa has, other than not slow to recruit E3 and W3 mages, which also benefit from extra precision because they are sacred.

Why do you think it's such a bad idea?

>>169786178

It's also got UNIVERSALLY sacred mages, who do benefit from an A minor. I'd still go mostly scales, but a couple minors don't hurt.

>>169786350
What does "UNIVERSALLY" mean in that context?

>>169786178
Ah, I'm glad I actually anticipated part of the build. It's just because every now and then someone has the idea for an A9F9 archer bless or something like it.
In brief: it's been tested, and it's only alright. A4 would of course be much cheaper so...it doesn't hurt you much. But it's still not good. Some reasons:
Your longbows are cap-only and compete with a better melee sacred
Your mages almost never need Prec since you'll be using lots of astral and your Yakshas will buff, not cast offensive (prec-requiring at least) spells.
You have cheaper fort and forestrec shortbows...4x cheaper in fact, so 4 times as many (slightly weaker) arrows for the same price.
You don't have easy F access for flaming arrows, nor do you really have easy air access for wind guide (Conj 6 for Kinnaras).

To be fair, A4 could be useful for forging stuff that requires A4...communioned Kinnaras can take care of high-level Air battle magic though.

>>169786567
I think not using GoH communions is a mistake, you should really consider those.

>>169786539

Every single national mage they have is sacred.

>>169786567
I'm curious, why do you consider their melee sacreds better? And please don't tell me you run W9 or E9 or some stupid pseudouseful bless.

>>169786830
They are supremely buffable. even lategame, no spell exists to give a unit awe. When you take care of their shit prot with iron warriors etc. they make extremely tough elite troops.
With N9E4 and ironskin they are unstoppable, and the bless is acceptable for expansion.

>>169786990
i can see it being useful after turn 30, but only bad neighbours would let you survive until then. Either that or a top tier diplomancing.

>>169786670
Yeah, GoH is great, get it if you can.

Their melee sacreds are better because they're very effective against most indies, for expansion, and once your buffs come online they're amazing in the lategame. I use N9E4 typically, W9 is a bit of a waste for the mid-lategame. And N is better for communions and commanders generally, also lets you do Mother Oak and GoH.

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>>169782572
Something like this then?
Couldn't quite decide if I wanted Heat 3 or Cold 3. The latter for Shura thugs I guess.
Had 40 leftover points so bumped E to 4. Minor bless, acess to Staff of Elemental Mastery (your Sorcerers should get them too, but it takes effort and you get the other FW version).

>>169787035
You can hold against a decent number of different enemies with cheap shortbows and blockers and low-resource sacreds with Awe. If you go for Thaumaturgy, Soul Slay is useful against the types of enemies that give Yavanas a hard time. And at Thaum6 you're golden.

>>169782426
Eh Kailasa was just the first nation I decided on, I'm not dead set on them

>>169786990
While they are buffable, I don't see awe being any useful after turn 50, since most of the good mid-late units have perfect morale.
It might work in the turns 30 to 50, I think, but after that you won't get much use of them. Also 4 attacks per square is a bit disappointing.

>>169782572
Also any advice on early research goals?

>>169787083
>>169787240
>>169786990
I'm the guy who wanted to play Kailasa. I'll definitely try this N9 thing indeed, it seems interesting. But still I'm not sure on how do I feel on nude infantry.
Thanks a lot anyway, Kailasa-friend.

>>169785390

>tfw you wish you could sprite so you could make this.

>>169788603
No problem (although that last quote wasn't me).
Celestial Music is what really makes the Yavs shine, probably more than Awe. They get beastly. And your lategame magic diversity is strong. It's a good nation if you make it that far.

>>169789056
What did Celestial music do? Same as Quickening for all your units?

If you empower your pretender after the game has begun does the higher magic levels affect your bless?

I'm assuming it doesn't, but just to be sure.

>>169789413
Yep, it's the same effect. +3 attack, +3 def, and 2 moves per turn. Some people don't know that the "Quickness" in the W9 bless is only 1.5 moves per turn (every other turn they make 2 moves). And obviously you get +4 def instead of +3 def and +3 att.

>>169785390
>>169788835
>Gashadokuro

I do graphic character design, never tried sprites for this game, just if someone wants to link me to a guide for it, I'll give it a go.

>>169789684
While the movement aspect does not stack, the +def does. so quickness and W9 means +7 def. quickness, W9, and that throne of water is +10 def.

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>>169789727
This is not exactly the same, but it might help you.
Giant skeleton from Castlevania

>>169789851
Yes, the def stacks. Assuming we're talking mid-lategame, I'd much rather go for N9 and have the 8 hp and health regen than go W9 and have 4 defense though.

>>169789860
No I mean like a guide that shows the requirements for the format of the sprites to be used in game. I assume its going to be .tga or .png with some specific requirements in terms of size and colour space.

>>169789860

I think he means the spriting guide.

http://www.illwinter.com/dom4/manual_modding.pdf

I -think- it's under the monster modding bit.

>>169790113
#spr1 "<imgfile>"
The file name of the normal image for the
monster. The size of the image should be 8, 16,
32, 64 or 128 pixels wide/high.
A human being should be about 32 pixels high
and there should be 2 pixels of free space
between his feet and the bottom of the image.
If the monster is to have a shadow in the image,
use the magenta color (RGB 255, 0, 255) for
shadow.
#spr2 "<imgfile>"
The file name of the attack image for the
monster. If this is not set, then spr1 will be used
for this image too.

>considering joining the blitz
>remember I have time limits and have some stuff to do today

>>169779025
>cry for 48h timers as early as turn 15.
>keep a simple game journal so you don't forget important info of each game ( such as alliances).
>learn hotkeys.
>Try to not join large games or use micro-heavy nations( blood nations, nations with randomized mages etc).
>always do the turns ASAP instead of waking up at 5AM to ship the turn at the last minute like i've done for a month.Think ahead for diplomacy so you don't have to wait for a faggot to reply on steam.
>Learn how to do the turns fast by going either zone-by-zone or dividing it in "Phases" ( ex: first you decide where to attack, then you direction all commanders of all provinces, then you script all the battles etc..).
>if it takes a while for you to mature big decisions just watch the turn ASAP and do them later during the day, so you can think during lunch and shit.
>have a sub-buddy ready or evena friend to co-op with.
>do not dare to join games at the same time, try to leave a big turn gap, toherwise they will all mature to lategame at the same time and suddenly you are playing dominions for 4 hours/day.
>have a lot of free time and no shame.

>>169779025
i write a littlee notepad file and keep alittle information about each turn in it. Like:

turn45
killed fomoria
diploed with yomi to attack caelum and not me
owe maverni 5 n gems

etc. Also helpful for writing down each nations blesses

fomoria
n9e9
yomi
e4

>Skeleton War rolled back twice

The ride never stops.

>>169792006
There were 2 llama fuckups, did you want to keep staling till turn 100?

How good is steal breath spell?

>>169655106
About how many provinces do Xibalba/Atlantis/Ur/Vanheim have, anyways?

>>169794584
Precision 5 means you will hit a unit with it roughly 75% of the time.

MRN means that a single militia unit that gets hit can resist it about 50% of the time.

Single target means you can affect only one militia unit per casting.

Range 25 means you can't target someone like mages or even archers on other side of the battlefield.

40 stun damage means that you have to cast it 3 times and succeed in all 3 cases to get a unit out of combat and make it fatigued.

Not good at all, anon. Not good at all. Has some early anti-thug usage if you have A1 mages, I guess, but I'd rather spend a gem for each mage to cast a lot of lightning bolts and kill something for good than hope for this shitty illfraud's abortion to work.

https://steamcommunity.com/app/259060/discussions/0/135510194255447890/
My sides.

>>169796898
I wonder how many provinces this guy has.

>>169796898
>mod that search sites for you
Im sad

>>169796898
>100 defense in all provinces

Jesus.

>>169788603
N9e4/6 is a tried and true great idea.
I was actually going to try E9 erf snek this time, the 5 extra protection isn't huge but it is enough to get you through expansion with few casualties, and the erf snek expands like it always does.

It goes well in late game though since it stacks with all the buffs you can throw onto your troops, and the Reinvig is super useful on both your troops and your mages.

>>169747321
>>169751324
Guys post your nations in the steam discussion. I have to keep track who is who.
>>169751661

>>169798886
I changed my mind and won't join the game. Feel free to keep Kailasa.

>>169799167
You can delete Kailasa my dude.

I'm gonna let the other guy have it.

>>169799250
>>169799167

Sweet. You can delete Helheim then.

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What's the story? Or is it just some joke?

>>169782507
Sorry dude; I was asleep. Try and get these requests in with a bit more of a lead time if possible.

>>169799913

Welcome to the shitlist. Be a shitter get ignored.

>>169800181
>tfw part of the secret side group that gets pms
How does it feel to not be part of the ulminati?

>>169799250
Am I the other guy?
If I could get the link I actually might join

>>169800824
Are they open to new players? I think I participated 2 years ago when I was a bloody beginner.

>>169801127
Pretty sure they will take anyone they can get.

>>169801347
Sounds nice. Good oppotunity to test builds and I think I'm at that point where I'm not completely overwhelmed with scripting and researching while under time limits.

>>169789616

No, it doesn't.

man fuck skelewars i'm out

>>169800983
Literally in the thread. follow the >>

>>169795784
They all have somewhere in the upper 30s lower 40s. Not entirely sure who owns what when though, so exact numbers are hard to get.

Bats used to be the smallest of the 4, but that's before they raped Abysia. They're also aiming to get their 4th throne . . .

>>169804681
Thanks, I figured it out after I posted. I'll join as Kail if the host is around, I'd like common events and high sites

How do you play Bogarus expansion phase? Their archers are absolutely dire at penetrating anything and causing damage in LA, along with only MM1.

>>169805931
Heavy cav, lots of it.

>>169804145
You retard, why did you pick Ermor if you couldn't handle it?

>>169806004
>Heavy cav
Ok
>lots of it.
How do you do that early game though? Can only afford a couple of units of it per turn. Do you need to go full scales on your pretender build?

>>169806086
it's the constant turn rerolls
scripting is already hell
trying to deal with nick's constant bullshit without help is hell

>>169806086
It's not being unable to handle Ermor

It's being unable to handle Ermor when time has become inconstant and fluctuates back and forth on the whims of Llama, leading to a hell of infinite scripting and exponential skeletons that you cannot control or escape from.

>>169806196
Full scales, yeah.
Turn 1 you get more spearment and maybe a lucky merc company.
Turn 2 you start recruiting cav and never stop.

Or you can go awake expander.

>>169806460
Both, actually. You still get pretty great scales with an awake.

>>169806239
Harsh, referring to White as Gray as not helping.

That said I can totally understand it, the constant turn fuck ups are fucking killing this game for me. The amount of effort I actually put into this turn is . . . vastly lower than usual.

Because I don't want to spend half an hour scripting shit that might just fuck up and not happen anyway.

>>169806460
Is there any point in getting Khlysts ever? They look pretty fucking terrible, aside from maybe dicking around in someone else's provinces causing unrest.

>>169807536
B9 to discourage evospam but that's it

>>169807641
Not for that price m8.

>>169807536
They bad. Don't ever get them.

>>169807641
This would be useful if you were taking B9, but you probably don't want to do that as rus.

>>169807873
>>169807870
Yep. They're literal trash

>>169805183
No. It's a normal game.

How is clash going?

>>169808407
Is this the host? High magic sites make EA more fun. Rare events nerf luck to the point of uselessness, but fine. But more sites make for more interesting games.

>>169808506
Everyone is fighting because super tight map. One team already bitched out and Lambert had to find subs for them.

>>169808506
The game had to be restarted multiple times due to map fuckups

In spite of the restarts, we started on a map with like 50 UW provinces for exactly one UW nation (MA Pelagia).

In addition to having a shitload of UW provinces, land was super tight. Like, Archaea tight.

The map has a large number of 'small' provinces and dense farm clusters, and the excess farms were also just set to be 'small' provinces instead of swapped out to another terrain type. This means that in addition to being cramped and poor for MA, there's essentially just fewer gems on the map.

There's some really weird connections, like a cave province that connects to literally one other province.

Most of the teams have started fighting on account of the tininess of the map.

It was discovered that most nations didn't have Fort-Era as a national property, meaning that they defaulted to MA when they shouldn't have. This changed how much gold/resources certain teams had, and made some nations take longer to get their first forts up.

Something Awful lost a fort under construction and subsequently subbed out their entire team because they're bitchmade.

One (1) guy wanted to sub for the entire SA team and player all three nations, but then another person joined him making their team slightly less awesome but easier to actually communicate with.

/v/anheim, UNF, and domg are all on the Xv1 sides of their respective wars and doing pretty okay as a result.

The game's honestly a shitshow and should never have started using this map or any version of this map. Some discoveries were made about one age forts. Several of the teams that I thought would be okay ended up being uttershit. Someone else should host the next CC to save Mr Lambert's poor heart.

>>169809857
Lambert the toppest

>>169809857
>Mr Lambert
Lambert's his first name.

>>169809857
Honestly, as fucked up as the map was (the original map was 40 water provinces, people told Sum1won to dial it back, so he added more . . . for some fucking reason) Lambert did a steller job. Yes, certain placements fucked some teams somewhat, but overall he did a better job on this map than clustered starts does on any map.

>>169811016
>>169809857
>>169808762
Lambert also asked me to give it a once over to see if I could make any improvements. I could not

>>169810962
Isn't it Lambert Lambert? I thought it was

>>169811232
>Lambert_S
>the S stands for Lambert

>>169810962
It's not his real name at all.

>>169811307
>he doesn't know how bad australians are for spelling
???

>>169810962
>>169811307
>>169811232
Lambert Simnel, it's one of the english pretenders, google it. His real name is Malakal.

>>169811016
The placements on the map were okay, but the map itself should never have been used at all.

>>169810679
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQYuhVVpP-g

Wanna hear a limerick?

>>169811205
Hey, I'm just happy I'm actually next to my team. Last time that happened was when we made an all UW team, since clustered starts seems to mean surrounded on all sides by enemies, and totally cut off from allies.

Very nice for once to not need to rush halfway across the map trying in vain to save a teammate.

Are tarrasques even useful?

>>169815942
In vanilla, no
In summod or magic enhanced, yes

>>169815942
>>169816092
and in summod AND ME, they're hilariously OP (unless that was changed in the merged mod. I remember reading something about that being done)

>>169816248

There's only one in Summod/ME. But yeah, it's considerably beefier.

>>169811415
>english pretenders
Well, yeah. He's English and every Sunday he pretends that more than two people might show up to play D&D with him.

>>169819402
Two more than I got.

>>169819583
Three less than there's supposed to be.

>>169819402
i had 8 players last session
never again, satan

>>169819715

Three is two less than four?

>>169820813
Two is three less than five. That's how many there's supposed to be.

>>169820906
>>169820813
y'all niggas be crazy, 3 players is the best. Less time bogged down in combat and more time spent on RP where everyone gets a larger role that doesn't result in half the party fucking off to the balcony to have a wank

>>169817596
No, see, the way it works (worked? Like I mentioned, I think they fixed this) was that summod made a unique commander with super awesome stats. ME made it so that a tarrasque that was a commander, it became an 'awakened tarrasque' unit (nonunique) that had magic paths, possibly some other improvement, and autocast Foul Vapors. The result was that each summoned tarrasque, if you summoned them one at a time, would have summod tarrasque SC stats, but now also the magic paths and autocast from ME.

I've found that four players is a pretty good party size.

>>169823804
Disciples4 game when?
Maybe 4 teams of 4 players.

>>169824039
I think Disciples only went up to 3

>>169824164
Then disciples3. Do you want to play with me?

>>169824164
How were you supposed to take the capital in that game? It seemed like the guardian duders were ridiculously OP

>>169824265
>>169824265
t. I'm starved for games because Lukas is extending all of the games I'm in

WAKE ME UP INSIDE
*music*
I CAN'T WAKE UP

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Official turnbully.

>>169824265
We should set disciple game on discord\steam for better coms.

>>169826610
Sure.

Yo, graphic designer anon, any progress on that gashadokuro shit?

>>169824419
Whoever the admin is that is doing the 2 stales = AI and not extending turns is my hero.

>>169829847
I'm actually not opposed to reasonable extensions, dude. I missed only one request, and I extended both of the times that I subbed players.

>>169829847

An extension is fine. It's better than staling. It's only when you get into more than one extension per turn, or needing multiple turns in a row extended that you are the cancer.

WW2 mod where?

>>169829847
i think he's Sy.

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>>169830505
http://z7.invisionfree.com/Dom3mods/index.php?showtopic=2517

>Skeleton wars not hosting again, 5 minutes after host time.

Truly ded game.

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>>169836650
>Another half an hour of scripting pissed into the wind

Hope now ends, and I embrace death

>>169838161
Ha, jokes on you. I half assed that turn so hard I only spent 2 minutes on it.

>>169838308
But I had some cool-ass scripting set up to go off. It was gonna be great. I was really looking forward to seeing the results.

>>169838518
What really kills me is the admin was gonna stale too.

>>169825632
I know. I got off work 5 hours ago, slept 4 of those and now I'm eating dinner with people.
As soon as I get home I'll do a double.

Game: DontStaleDesuSenpai2
Turn number 24
Next turn due: 02:34 GMT on Thursday March 2nd

Abysia 2h file received
Asphodel 2h file received
Caelum 2h file received
C'tis 2h file received
Marignon 2h file received
Nazca 2h file received
Ulm 2h file received

WHO DO I BULLY?

>>169840237
Wait what. So the turn is over? Wtf is this meta pre-turn bully shit?

>>169840237
>WHO DO I BULLY?

Llama

>>169838161
RIP the bones.

>>169842009
you should translate it into skellington;
Rattle rattle rattle

>>169842395
>dont want to do turns anymore
>dont want to stale or go AI like a bitch either

>>169844756
Me too. Trying to die with grace and take someone with me.

Speaking of, can I get a 2 hour extension on Autism Wars? Who even is the admin for this?

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>>169825632

>xibalba actually took less than 23 hours to do his turn

amazing

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>SkeletonWar: Dominions error on hosting

>>169846449
Game: EA_newbaria
Turn number 25
Next turn due: 18:05 GMT on Thursday March 2nd

Ermor 2h file received
Helheim Waiting for 2h file
Marverni 2h file received
Tir na n'Og 2h file received
Xibalba 2h file received

>xibalba did turn before helheim
>the golden age of /domg/

>>169847095

My turn is sent it's just taking awhile.

I REQUIRE THE PATH BOOSTER GUIDE.
WHERE IS IT LOCATED?

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Well, Tien Ch'i gave up. Does everyone else want to drag this game out to its inevitable conclusion or should we call it here?

Also sorry for being a bad admin and not AIing Utgard, I asked someone to do it and he didn't, haven't had time to shill in this thread as I got promoted and am now working "obligatory" overtime every day. Letting the timer run out so I had more time to take my turns ended up being to my advantage... I'm very sorry.

I think there is a lesson to be learned here about the number of thrones required for victory...

>>169849148
I guess. If I could think of a way to drag it out like an asshole I might but I cant think of anything I have access to. I'm happy enough with the game, I just wanted to fuck about with some big blood stuff and thats exactly what I did.

>>169849148
Also Tien, well fought, you were a worthy opponent. I think I lost more to you than any other player even though I didn't have any battles as disastrous as my opening against C'tis.

EA_NEWBARIA, people c'mon get your fucking shit together. We should have eliminated these fuckers years ago

Best cheap summonable leader with high magic leadership? Playing EA Ulm.

My nation has access to every path at 3 (with cheap boosters) except blood, but any mage I recruit can only support 10 magic beings. As of turn 15, I earn 12 water gems per turn, and I was figuring I could throw those at claymen, but then I realized I have nothing that could easily mobilize an army of them. The astral crowns you can make gives me 35 at const 4, but I can pump them out with abandon nearly already and can't really do anything with them.

Thanks

>>169859582
awaken sleeper.
10n for 80 magic leadership

>>169859582
>>169859872

Thanks, still pretty new to the game. Playing against the AI on master to get my bearings before doing a game on here.

As far as I understand, water is pretty meh as a magic path. Is there something else I should be doing with these gems other than alchemy, claymen, and frost brands? Claymen seem like great frontliner chaff with all the buffs Ulm can throw through its sort of natural desire to go Alteration (mass protection, earth might, etc, etc)

>>169860170
naiads, naiad warriors can be decent, hidden in snow, streams from hades, globals (all of waters globals are great)
for items:
frost brands, water bracelets, water breathing items, general thug items

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>>169849720
Almost had you, too.

>>169860170
>>169860425
You forgot the most important thing -

water bottles

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http://www.llamaserver.net/gameinfo.cgi?game=ElfingAround

Xib, 2 stales? Do you need to be set ai?

>>169787129
That's basically what I was thinking of. I think I didn't take misfortune but it's definitely worth it for E4.

>Couldn't quite decide if I wanted Heat 3 or Cold 3. The latter for Shura thugs I guess.
Yeah, it'd be about even value either way.

Have a look at the map you're playing on for the frequency of rivers vs mountain passes, and have a look at which other nations dislike. Those factors are probably more important than Shura cold aura.

>>169788004
My first goal would almost certainly be Flaming Arrows at Ench 4. You have really cheap archers, and it's a good way to make an army powerful with low mage investment (all you need is a single F3 Bakemono Sorcerer).

After that, I'd grab some of the following, in roughly the following order. It probably depends on what players you meet.

Conj3 for Lesser Fire Elemental and Phoenix Power. Phoenix Power means every Bakemono Sorcerer can cast Flaming Arrows, so you don't need to recruit a bunch and hope for F3. Lesser Fire Elemental is handy if you have a bunch of Sorcerers fighting, though not really worth recruiting 400g mages for.

Ench5 for Horde of Skeletons (for your lucky D2 Uba) and Foul Vapors. Your troops don't resist Foul Vapors, but Bakemono have high hp so will die much slower to it than humans. You can group up your mages and drop an AoE15 poison resistance (also available by ench5) on them.

Alteration 4 for Swarm. Expensive to cast a lot, but it can be devastating if used right. It'd be earlier in the list, but you need to build up a nature income before it's really useful since you get none from your capital.

Evocation 3 for Sleep Cloud. A way for N2 Uba to contribute to fights without using gems.

>>169865631
Great advice.
Conj1 for Tangle Vines might be worth researching even before Ench4, since any Uba can cast it to help Dai Bakomono chop to pieces elves etc. (because you WILL be rushed as Shinu without an awake pretender).
Alt4 also gives you Destruction, which makes your archers much more effective vs elite troops. And Maws of the Earth at Alt5 is pretty great at killing non-armored stuff.

>>169866435
I don't like the idea of Destruction much, since you'd be doing it using 400g mages with massive encumbrance. If you're fighting someone with lots of heavy armor like Ulm, maybe.

The other two spells are great, though.

>>169867003
There's a fair few heavy armor nations. It's pretty excellent against Arco's heavy infantry and romans, for instance. It's also just a HUGE deal against those units. Destruction takes units from immune to your archers to dying instantly.

>>169849148
By god please end it

>>169867003
>>169871326
Destruction's actually a pretty big deal against a majority of the nations in MA

>>169865631
>>169866435
Thanks m8s.

Frighten is another spell any Uba can cast. Supposedly it's one of the more effective 1 path, low research spells.

>>169873637
>Frighten
How do you make that work?

Hold, hold, and then frighten to force a moral check when they're in melee?

>>169874273
Well at least it would work against Arco and indie elephants.

>>169874273
It doesn't do anything by itself?

>>169877434
It forces units to make some kind of morale check but I have no idea what the calculation is.

>>169877434
Nobody knows exactly how fear works, but everyone agrees it's much more effective against units which have taken damage.

The effects linger for a while though, so I'm not sure you need to hold before casting.

>>169880221
>Nobody knows exactly how fear works
Endorphin, adrenalin...

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>>169849639
>>169871431
I have declared the game finished. Thanks for playing this far.
I can post graphs tonight when I get home from work, although they're incomplete they tell the story well enough - I was way ahead of everyone else combined, but slogging through throne capturing and claiming would probably have taken another 10+ turns... if I make a game in the future, 10 throne points is way too much.

>mfw almost 30 hours into the game
>still feel like I have no idea what I'm doing

>>169881547
>mfw almost 300 hours into the game
>sort of know what I'm doing but not really.

>>169881775
>22 hours into the game
>finally figures out that research is important and that I shouldn't focus on pimping my commanders and heroes

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>>169881863
>I shouldn't focus on pimping my commanders and heroes

>>169881863

That one's an "It depends". Most chumps aren't worth pimping out. There are certain nations though (Niefel/Jotun, Vanheim) that rely fairly heavily on using their awesome commanders to fuck shit up.

>>169884790
I mostly play C'Tis and Jomon.

>>169881775
>800 hours into the game
>start using more than just Box and Line formation

>>169885017

Yeah, neither of those have anything particularly notable. Although LA C'tis Tomb Kings are definitely thuggable, they're also way too expensive to make it a good idea. Better off using them for chariot/snek factories. Jomon's also got some real nice summons which are usable as solo commander shitstompers (Dai Oni), but again, expensive. Better deployed as support for armies.

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>>169885057
Oh jesus.
That was probably unintentional, but you really made me laugh here. I'm not exagerrating.

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>>169881775
>400 hours in the game
>stopped playing half a year ago
>still come here for god knows what reason,probably out of habit or to justify all the time wasted

>>169885057
But anon why would you use skirmish double line or loose line?
Loose I could see for fall bears who baiting, but skirmish outside of some very specific circumstances in LA (or against flying nations) seems kind of pointless

>>169885342
Not even joking.

>>169886237
>skirmish
Win archer/crossbow snipefests.
>double line
Basically if you want a line that is somewhat buffable, while not being as vulnerable as box I think.
>sparse
Probably for what you described.

>>169886237
Why would you use skirmish against flying nations???
Do you like your formations having holes against guys that can get in those guys? Because I don't.

>>169889713
>in those guys
I meant:

against guys that can get in those holes

>>169889802
Weird innovative strategies?
Getting birds/bats surrounded by troops way better than they are, while keeping your mages safe.
Flagellants with B9
Putting enemy fliers in a position where they take a ton of morale checks, because tons of attacks per turn
Etc

>Skeleton war hosting should be fixed now


I'm not sure I believe this. Should I believe this?

>>169891519
Follow your heart.

>>169891519
Can't you feel the answer in your bones?

>>169893361
>Literally only 1 ermor did their turn

Genius. If people just don't do turns, then they can no longer be cucked by llama.

>>169891519
Of course

There's no escape

This is hell, and you can't leave

>>169811378
>>169811415
Next you're going to tell me that Kate Micucci is an assumed name too.

>>169896782
No, that's the real Kate.

Ulm and Pelagia, I should note that I extended for Kailasa, who asked for it. Given that you both staled last turn, if you stale this turn as well I will begin hunting for subs.

>>169897159
pls sub pelagia

kill all *lfs!!!

>>169902401
>lfs
>leaves
Canadians? That's rude.

>>169902585
>>169902401
who would be the real world equivalent of elves? Like a nation that is known for showing up unexpectedly and fucking shit up

>>169902940
America

>>169897159
>hunting for subs
>water nation
Somebody call Sean Connery!

>>169902940
Finland in WW2.
Skiing stealthy snipers are as elf as you can get in the real world.

>>169902940
Sweden. Poland was a world power before the deluge.

>>169902940
The USA?

not today satan

>>169903221
We had entire battallions running through soviet columns with smgs from one side of the road to another and disappearing.

Japs also did the whole glamour shit in jungles and the cover of night.

>>169903221
viet kong

Land-elf-van guy, I'm not massing armies at your border, that's just were I get my faithful flagellants.

Also, fucking Ys faggot. You are in for a inquisition.

>fail to notice the turn timer has slowly creeped back and now it hosts at 20:23 instead of 2 AM
>"Oh dear, i just had dinner after a full day of work and business, time to script all my troops for the most important and difficult battle of the game so far, i spent all day thinking about it"
>turn happened 10 minutes ago, i staled.
> still fucking won the battle unscripted

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>>169915910
I have 4+ hours left, so now I'm not going to take my turn until the very last second

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>>169915634
well shit, then I dunno what I could have done :|

>>169916292
Nice falseflagging m8.
We're not even sure if Bats are from /domg/. Going by everything we have seen he's some random who saw the game on llama and joined.

But sure, if it helps people come together and remove bats I'm all for it.

>>169916321
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>>169916425
I suppose I'll have to up my rusemanship

>>169916321
on viewing the actual battle: Turns out, magma bolts is really good if you have big, low prot dudes in a massive block. Skirmish would have helped me there. My glossos were on the wrong flank, but I couldn't have foreseen that. My research is shit, so my gygjas had nothing better to do than spam wild tangle, but that did nothing. Aside from that, yeah, I was probably going to lose that battle anyway

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>>169916321
Bring more Gyjias.

>>169916767
how is your reasearch shit?
you're jotunheim, you've got vaetti hags

>>169917247
i have one forest

it is my cap

desu this was the wrong map to try jotunheim out for the first time, there's fuckall forests and they're scattered as all fuck

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Best thug kit for this peasant lord?

Boars took this mans land. I want to bestow on him a pretender lord's bounty so he can take lives.

>>169917052
What's the map?
Looks fun.

>>169917545
2 Swords of Swiftness
Horned Helmet
Quickness Boots

Check if it blends.

>>169917545
A pair of water bottles so he has some big burly water elemental bodyguards who can do the heavy lifting.

>>169917545
Post his pimped set.
I need to laugh.

>>169917545
iron face
ring of regen
bow of war
quickness boots
amulet of resilience

He'll be exactly as useful as 26 archers

>>169917842

You forgot the Stone Bird and Dancing Trident.

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>>169917545
>>169917842
>>169918016
>>169918118
>>169919175
>>169920242
His knowledge of crops have allowed him to call even water into a form that will fight for him. He wears a girdle that supports his back so he may plow the fields with strength rivaling his ox. The lords of the land have recognized his bravery and bestowed on him armor fit for their finest knights.

His shield gleams like heaven's own sun. His sword and helmet radiate the pretenders own heat.

He goes off to fight the wetones in caves in a few turns. Solo. He will come back a hero to the peoples of Ulm.

>>169920853
Or die trying.

>>169920853
>no shoes
Shit pretender/10
Would not worship.

>>169921292

I know, right? What if there's pointy gravel?

>>169920853
>protection went from 0 to 22
>morale went from 8 to 15
>strength +3
>attack skill the same
>defense skill from 6 to bloody 14
>replaced his pitchfork with fucking firebrand
HALP
I CANT BREATH

THAT'S ONE HELL OF A BARN HE GOT THERE

Is F9 W9 bless on mictlan kitten warriors legit? Or should I rather pick different combo?

>>169921430
You just know that prick Walter from down the lane is just going to talk shit if you dont have some fly ass kicks.

>>169921430
I read this in a haughty british accent and giggled.

>>169917052
He should not have had those in a line.

If the sacreds had been in block or skirmish, and run forward immediately, BL would have won.

>>169921153

That's not the kind of attitude that makes heroes of the common man.

>>169916321
Hey guys, maybe deal with Ulm before those magma bolts turn into magma eruptions? He only owns like half the map.

>>169922941
well i tried and lost literally every worthwhile unit I had accumulated in 24 turns. So I'm going to leave it up to other people

Looking for an Ulm sub and a Pelagia sub.

Ulm is down to his capital only, no idea about the latter.

>>169923068
Does that mean you're going to AI, or going to pull back and try to build up again?

>>169923621
the latter
probably get eaten by ulm while i retreat

>>169923695
Alright then.

Hold onto hope.

>>169921587
You don't need attack skill for the firebrand though.
AoE component doesn't check defense.

>>169921587
I changed my mind on him.

I think Ill have him with a Standard of the Damned/Horror Helmet and Dancing Shield and Silver Haruberk. He will be second line behind the front liners.

That should make him impenetrable to arrows and a +10 fear machine. Enemies will scatter before him.

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>>169921587
I'm pretty sure there is a pasta floating around that tells the story of a former super-combatant or heavy thug that decided to retire for simple farm life, explaining the items hidden in a barn this guy found.

>>169925223
>hero
>prophet

>>169925313
Pretenders are equal oppoturnity employers, I guess.

>>169925656
Yeah.

That reminds me the first time I learned I could make anyone a prophet. Even a summoned mound king.

Sub/AI found for Ulm. Still need a possible Sub (or someone to set AI) for Pelagia.

>>169925868
>bind demon lord
>kit him out with fuckload of gems
>prophet him
>fly into enemy dominion
>10HP
Never again.

>>169926303
>bind undead
>make him prophet
>free longdead!

>>169926653
>longdead
wow it's fucking nothing

>>169927105

They're alright for siege stacks?

>>169928264
And patrol.
Nothing's better to remove bandits than skeletons.

>>169927105
Free chaff is good and 40 longdead can raid pd alright.

Any games coming up or have openings? Also, any newbies in here or does everyone who frequents this place have 2k hours?

>>169930815
I have 22 hours in.
And 21 of them against the AI, the last one was spend making maps.

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>SkeletonWar rolled back again
>After I did my scripting again
>The fifth time scripting the same mid-late Ermor turn

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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>>169881546
As promised, here's some graphs. I had more provinces than the remaining human players.

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>>169932231
More forts, too.

>>169932231
Post pretender!

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>>169932409
Lots more gold. Scales + the resources global + Atlantis's really good heavy infantry went a long way.

>>169932468
I will, patience

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>>169932612
Lots more gems, thanks to uncontested seas and Voice of Tiamat getting me an early start, even though Ragha beat me to the first gemgen global (t-thanks for going AI for no reason, Jomon)

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>>169932231
>>169932409
>>169932612
>>169932785

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>>169932785
Probably no surprise at this point, but I had full 9s in research other than blood. I got a dowsing rod (I think off an Ulm mage) and put it on a commander but he caught all of two slaves so I was researching it only out of habit.

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>>169933042
Lots and lots of dominion. Biggest on the galaxy.
My endgame plan for fighting Agartha, my natural counter and friendly neighbor, was basically "put dominion everywhere, cast Vengeful Water, and watch him cry".

>>169933042
Dousing Rod requires B1 at least to get any effect.

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>>169933276
And here's the embarrassing army score graph, full of dips showing how bad a player I am. Dominated this one thanks to winter attack spells to buff my dudes' ice armor generating corpses, followed by carrion reanimation for free patrollers once I took the province. Although Riches from Beneath, scales, and spending my gold to zero every turn probably helped!

>>169933354
Go figure.

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>>169933276
And here's why I had so much dominion. 9 straight turns of Juggernaut summons, plus a boatload of temples.

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>>169933774
Endgame map. Featuring my prophet, who I named after my cute ally Marignon's god and was insane something like 3/4 of the time. I had really bad luck with tartarians in general, although nobody else fielded any that I saw so I shouldn't complain.

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>>169933961
>>169932468
And what you've all been waiting for, my poorly designed memelith. Feel free to laugh it up.
I picked Atlantis at random, but looking in the inspector before the game I thought I would be relying heavily on the coral armored guys (35 gold/resources or so) since they don't melt in the heat so I went all in on scales. Turns out they're shit and it's better to just Wolven Winter all over the place. I chose the monolith because I saw Kailasa use one to great effect in RubbaDubDubNoobsAndScrubs, although I wasn't able to get nearly the same memery out of it. I ended up empowering it to cast Rain of Stones, but never actually got to cast it. Spamming juggernaut construction took priority and nobody was fielding supercombatants.

>>169934483
I had every demon lord at some point and I just couldn't be bothered to do anything big with them. Getting that one guy to cast enchanted forests was the most I did with them.

>>169934483
All that Atlantis needs is good scales and E2 for putting shoes on your 4GIFing Daddies, so monolith is actually A-okay. Plus it was a noob game, so prod 3 Atlantis can kick everyone's ass with their simple, synergistic magic and amazing heavy infantry.

>>169934483
>>169932876
Overall, the game went well even though none of my plans worked out the way I was expecting, and I learned a lot. I'm really impressed by Atlantis, I feel that they're a top tier nation at least compared to those I previously played (R'lyeh and Ur). They basically trade all of R'lyeh's weaknesses (aquatic hands-free commanders, troops are dogshit) for strengths and the mobility of Angakok commanders is amazing when you're moving around a sea. No ranged troops was kind of a problem, but I compensated by sending lots of Frozen Heart spammers. I think I won for three reasons: one, I was constantly at war for the entire game from before the end of the expansion phase on, which let me pay the upkeep on those stupidly expensive Angakoks; two, my neighbors didn't dogpile me until I already had enough of a mass of mages and troops to beat any one of them individually and enough Angakoks to fortify any position near the lake in two turns, and I don't think they coordinated their attacks; and three, Atlantis is just really good even in the hands of an idiot like me.

I had a lot of fun, but I think I'll need to take a break from Dominions from a little while instead of starting another game. Towards the end of this one, I had to really rush my turns and I made a lot of mistakes as a result of not having enough free time in the evenings.

>>169934838
In hindsight I think I would have wanted a god with some air. I empowered an A1 Angakok all the way up to A4 thanks to my amazing gem income, but it was too late to start rolling out Arrow Fend mages which would have helped a lot against Tien Ch'i, who massed cavalry archers with flaming weapons.

>>169934786
Enchanted forests seems pretty worthless. Your other global, the one that caused assassinations in your dominion, was much more useful. I think if you had pushed your dominion, you might have been able to hold me off better.

If no one steps up to the plate to sub for Pelagia before next turn rolls over, they will be set AI.