/civ4xg/ - Strategy/4X General

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Somebody posted it last thread and it looked comfy so I'm gonna post it in this thread in the hopes that someone who's actually tried it will talk about it.

It's called Northgard.

>>169669981
So, is this gonna be the spiritual successor to Culture?

>>169669981
I thought the name was bad for mixing up languages in a way that doesn't make sense, but
>Kröwns
Fuck's sake.

>>169669762
THREAD THEME
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHSRv4Hsxn0

>>169669160
But that was missing in Civ V too.

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>Shitposters got into Civ 6 before civilizations like Babylon or Persia

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Speaking of things that someone mentioned yesterday, I picked this up and damn if it isn't intricate. The thing about the seasons being the real life seasons is a bit too autistic for me to be honest.

Also I've only just realized that I should have built a school right away to train skills.

>>169670256
Persia and Babylon never had to go up against emus and dropbears.

>>169670256
shitposting is the new power boii

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u fukin wot m8

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>>169672760
>Australian soldier being savagely attacked by an Emu warrior as Australian commanders order an organized retreat, Circa 1932 (colorized)

>>169672760
Truly Australia is a terrifying place.

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>>169674960
literally bred for war

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>>169673669
>no option to capture those creatures and raise them as a really nasty form of system defense
>no option to reverse engineer the dreadnought to create a new class of heavy duty warships
>no stupidly long event/research chain that ends with you finding a way to breed space dragons

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stellaris fleet AI when?

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>>169674960

even after all these years of seeing it "Dignity" never ceases to extract a chuckle from me

>>169609265
>>169609248
You're technically not wrong but the actual problem with this reasoning is that while the wall was built at the political borders at the time, there were massive campaigns led by Qin officers to push the borders TO where they existed. The (Qin) Great Wall almost entirely follows mountain ridges, while the Ming one (i.e. the one up today) both follows mountain ridges and zigzags in a soft S pattern across relatively flat land in order to get to the next mountain (as the western sections of the Great Wall uses a lot of mountains as natural walls).
Basically, yes it's political, but no it's not "just" political. Ningxia, a relatively fertile land near the yellow river encompassed by the Great Wall, was captured by the Qin from the Xiongnu, and the Wall follows the extent of the recent conquest.

>>169669981
simplistic and shallow as fuck, low content and it doesn't seem like there's much more to come, it's shit.
Banished is was better.

>>169675396
Here we see the tribal Australian alpha male protecting his loyal canine companion from an attack by a rivaling tribe. This species shows absolute dominance over nature, the grace, the beauty, the strength. His flannel pattern garb is not only decorative but also shows his ranking as a warrior of his people. The Roo tribal realizes this after a single right hook to the jaw quickly backing down, knowing he's in over his head he simply stares as the Aussie male performs victorious gestures and walks away to tend to his canine. The Roo will have to hunt elsewhere in another territory or risk war with the Aussie tribe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmvGlBFaFEU

cant wait

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;____;

>>169678208
So what exactly is gonna be in the dlc? Any big changes?

>>169678540
>be violent epansionist race
>see the error of your ways
>create a ringworld utiopia of peace and prosperity
>aliens assume you are stil evil and wipe your civilization out the moment they find you
That's sad.

>>169679291
And somehow I'M the bad guy.

>>169678612
Reworked empire and pop ethics, as well as a new outlook on factions

Banks 1.5 will introduce new mechanics

The new Ascension mechanic and its following 'species endgame' paths coming in Banks

Changes to pops: species rights/obligations, new degrees of slavery and purging, refugees, core worlds and more.

Your new home above your home

Megastructures: the headline feature of the Utopia expansion.

Psionic Ascension Path

Wiz goes into details on indoctrinating pre-FTL species, new unrest system for factions and ways to interact with them

Banks focus on internal politics warrants a government rework


just the description from the dev diaries from the wiki.
utopia and 1.5 will be huge.

>>169670256
at least we'll get an emu civ

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>tfw really like local happiness over global
>tfw really like the new districts and city building style
>tfw really like that stacking is back in some way
>tfw really like the new war system
>tfw really like the simplistic art style
>tfw ai is garbage
>tfw ai seems even more garbage then before
>tfw can't go back to V

>>169681013
was it ever not garbage in 5? they pretty much just roll the dice when deciding what to do

>>169681013
The AI will get better over time. It did with V at least.

My biggest beef right now is that it's virtually impossible to win on some starts because of early units and the importance of strategic resources. There is no counter to legions if you have no strategic resources and there are no counters period to war-carts.

>>169680797
>barbarian camps that spawn near australia become emu nests

>>169681674
modders get to work

What do you think of the latest update? Do you like that it is easier to make friends now? I'm now consistently friends with half of the leaders, whereas before it was hard to be friends with one.

>>169681674
swap and have aussi barbarian camps and a emu civ

>>169681858
They halved warmonger penalties, so it's a lot easier to stay peaceful, because the world doesn't have as much of a permanent grudge due to warmonger penalties.

>>169681979
>halved
>>169681858
>went from impossible to make friends to being friends with everyone

why can devs only grossly overcompensate?

>>169682050
>friends with everyone
Don't exaggerate. They still hate you if you conflict with their agendas. Unless you are lucky that usually means half the world is upset with you for one reason or another.

Haven't played since release, reading patch notes for the previous one and this update. So it's fixed? Can I play now?

I just want to build a comfy empire with the city building elements and enjoy the beautiful cartoony graphics.

>>169682572
yes

>>169675518
W..wait, you can't reverse engineer the dreadnought?

>>169684574
You can take it, but you only get the one.

>>169684574
>>169684685
also you can't upgrade it's ftl drive so hold off on repairing it until you get psi jump drives

Does terraforming destroy any structures on a planet? I have an Alpine World with an Autonomous Fabricator on it that can give me lots of minerals, but I don't have a species suited for colonizing it.

>>169686479
robutts

>>169687068
I'm a Spiritualist and I only have basic Robots, no Droids or Synths, also the planet has a lot of juicy energy tiles and regular Robots are bad at working those.

Also, Robots aren't appearing in my colonist choices when I'm trying to choose who to colonize that planet with.

>>169687308
You probably have AI set to outlawed.

>>169687345
I have allowed AI, and I have some Robot pops on my worlds, I just can't colonize a planet with Robots for some reason.

>>169687308
fug

>>169687515
I think they need to be at least androids to colonise

>>169685228
Is there some kind of requirement for psi drives. I got them once, but in my last game they didn't even come up once.

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>>169687515
Robots can't colonize ever.
You have to wait until you get the upgrade to droids.

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>>169687740
Gotta be spiritualist
Gotta have Zro

Does VIR ever do anything interesting outside of some of his lines when you dismantle him?

>>169687740
You need a scientist with expertise in psionics.
I'm not 100% but you might be able to reverse engineer it from Spiritualist FEs.

I think it's almost impossible for materialists to get their hands on them.

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fug
:D
benis
:DDDDD

Holy shit. The AI in Civilization games has always been idiotic at best, but Civilization VI takes it to a whole new level:

1. It is apparently impossible to maintain a good relationship with any other civilization unless you're losing on purpose. You can give them gift, help them in war, save them from barbarians, establish trade routes, whatever you want. Doesn't matter. You get +10 point for all that and -9001 points for building one more wonder than they did.

2. They build cities in the most retarded places. As soon as you meet an AI player, its first priority becomes to settle as many cities in-between yours as he can to cockblock you. And I know they're shit cities: I've captured them often, they barely ever build anything there. They just do it to fuck with you. And since it fucks with THEIR performance even more than it fucks with yours, they're essentially cutting off their own noses to spite their faces. THE AI ISN'T EVEN TRYING TO BEAT YOU. IT'S TRYING TO MAKE YOU AS MISERABLE AS POSSIBLE.

3. They just lost a war to you where you razed three of their cities, they denounce you, they fuck with you with their spies... Then they ask "Pretty please give me 20 gold per turn and that unique resource you got from a great person. For free." Then they get mad when you say no.

4. They are fucking incompetent at dealing with barbarians. They'll leave a barbarian camp alone for 50 turns, and of course those red assholes only target you despite the other guy's town being right next door. So, you finally decide to wipe it out, get there, almost kill the unit in the camp... Then the other guy shows up with his spearman in 1928 AD, last hits the barb and captures the camp. COULDN'T DO THAT EARLIER, NO SIR.

And that's on top of it not only cheating, but every single one of them ganging up on you (though that's par for the course in Civilization). Whoever designed the AI this time around thought "I don't want the AI to beat them, I just want it to make them ragequit".

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You don't need research when you've got more ships than the other guy

why is stellaris here instead of paradox general

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>>169688146

>going for Domination with a focus on Science victory
>Stuck landlocked, which is fine, can focus on combat advancements
>Small military because focusing on trying to make buildings and also fairly poor
>Surprise attacked by a civ to the north, flatten my newest city in 2 turns
>Manage to hold the line at my capital and eventually push back and take their capital
>Leave them with one city in the tundra as a husk of their former selves
>In this time, I've fallen behind on my progress and land I was planning to settle was taken by two different aggressive settlers
>One of them attempt to invade my capital
>Get them to a standstill despite the surprise attack, get peace eventually
>Decide to invade the other fuckers to try and get a foothold to prepare to invade India and steal their wonders
>Win the war, but now everyone hates me
>Surprise attacked by the superpower who were pretty much the only people that hadn't denounced me
>just about survive until I can get them to a peace agreement that wasn't giving them all my cities
>As I finally start rebuilding, I get the warning that Gandhi has completed the Manhattan Project

fuck this, I can't even crush all of these twats that keep trying to keep me pushed down and I know if I make a move again I'll just be nuked. I blame this entirely on the original surprise attack

>>169687524
>>169687664
>>169687754
I guess I'll have to research terraformation or conquer an empire with pops that live in Alpine.

Why the fuck did my empire name just change from Fourth reich to aryan combine?

>>169691125
It changes when you switch government types and yes, upgrading it to the advanced version of whatever you're using counts. You can rename it ingame fortunately.

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endgame is so fucking boring holy shit

>>169691689
>change your ethic
>face civil war
>?????
>profit

>>169691689

That's when you declare war on every other empire at once
conquer them all or die

I need a new xenophobe species to play with. Haven't gone full xenophobe before and I suck at creating species.

Brainstorm me a species to create /civ4xg/ pls

>>169691919
The league of the 20 thousand planets

>>169692564
ok I know fuck all about Lexx, still on backlog to watch, but fuck it, gonna make an empire out of it

>>169691919
A race of some description that has fanatic xenophobe as one of its governing ethics

>>169691919
Just go for a run where you try to get the achievement to genocide every last other species as a xenophobe.
All-Devourers or something

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>>169693628
I like that idea. Eat everyone!

>>169692564
>tfw no insectoids

>>169694228
They're in the Arthropoid phenotype.

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>>169694228
Make a race of space spiders.

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>>169692564
>>169694228
does it suck?

>>169694581
>arthropoids
>look like eels

>>169694727
giant space eels with legs. Evolution is a wonderful thing

>>169694727
To me, they're somewhat reminiscent of the Worms from Men in Black.

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>>169694581
spotted my first xeno that must be destroyed

>>169695136
>87393
uh-oh

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>>169695136
> 2x 87,000 fleet power
RIP League

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Post your favorite portraits.

>>169696565
I'd tell you, but i don't know where the fuck to find them

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The League of 20,000 planets has just colonised its second planet!

>>169696123
>>169696279
they'll stay put until I'm ready to fight them... right?

>>169697070
you can find all of them on the wiki.

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>>169697334
Idk what's going on honestly, vanilla doesn't HAVE any 87k threats at game start except the Fallen Empires, and if it was them, they'd introduce themselves.
How many mods are you running?

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>>169696565

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>>169696565

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>>169697602
yeah I haven't come across any fleets of that strength literally at the start of a game before either except an FE and they're not an FE.

Not many mods mostly cosmetic/flag related ones, other than that I'm running:
larger homeworlds
shorter integration time
beautiful battles
fast ship upgrade

Here is a pic of one of the 87k fleet

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>>169697816
[LAYERS OF WHITE INTENSIFIES]

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>>169696565
1/2

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>>169697602
>>169698120
a 7.7k pirate fleet has decided to pay me a visit too.

This can't be happening. I'm In charge here!

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>>169696565
2/2
this one became a new favourite after seeing them in a forgotten empire

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>>169697528
These nigs did all kinds of wierd shit in my first ever game, so whenever they pop up it reminds me of that golden month of May when Stellaris was still fun.
For about 5 seconds.

Everytime we get a new leader I love to go on a little documentary kick. Any good ones you'd recommend for Australia and Curtin?

>>169698719
Funny, because
>>169698414
Made it on my Genocide On Sight list after seeing them in a fallen empire.

Might move them to the Kentucky Fried Xeno list after Utopia comes out, though.

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>>169698631
kek something definitely seems off now. 4 pirate ships, reaver class, almost 2k power each... Meanwhile my 3 corvettes which I haven't even researched an upgrade for have 14 power combined.

>>169698909
>Kentucky Fried Xeno
Blorg Commonality, always and forever

>>169698975
Something is definitely off, my 3 starting corvettes are always around 75 power, with militaristic it can rise to around 100.

>>169677285
Good, thanks for saving me money.

>>169675396
Why was the roo fighting the dog in the first place?

Someone do an AAR of C2C pls

>>169700230
A whonowwhat of whenwherehow?

>>169701523
Someone play C2C and post progress
Preferably blind.
https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/caveman2cosmos-v37-player-guide.607564/

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>>169696565
My crusading space parrots.

Has anyone ever turned the civilopedia into an ebook? I want some light history to read on my kindle.

>>169677285
>shallow
>mentions Banished as counterexample
Laffin cunts.png

>>169701873
>light history
>civpedia
fucking wew lad

>>169701661
That is the biggest clusterfuck of a thread I've seen in a long time.

Why don't you?

>>169702393
Linuxbox because my battlestation was robbed.

>clusterfuck
...huh? It seems relatively well organized to me. It's just long.

So will the horrid fucking war managment in Stellaris be fixed? I'm sick of clicking on every single planet to order some Corvettes in my multidimensional hyperwar. They should make it like in HoI or Victoria 2.

>>169702292
Doesn't have to be a "counterexample".
Could just be a statement.

More shallow than Banished=Unbelievably shallow.

>>169702467
There's a mod that allows you to order ships by batches up to a designated limit, but I think it's heavily lacking because of hardcoding/compatibility limitation issues.

>>169669981
>early access
No.

>>169669981
I'm gonna pirate it. Wasted many an hour as a kid with Cultures. Unfortunately, it died like almost all great early-mid 00s strategy games: they tried to be WC3 and introduced a ton of shitty RPG and hero and general warfare elements into an economy/society simulator.

so whatz setting do you guys use for your sectors?
For me its science focus wiht respecting tile bonuses, and space construction

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>that feel when you have so many mods your game's launcher can't help but freeze for about 30 seconds every time you click on it.

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>>169696565
Plantoids and molluscoids have some cool portraits too.

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>>169703678
>Every time I start the game it takes more than five minutes for it to unfreeze and everything to be loaded.

If I ever get a new rig I'll make sure to get for it the biggest solid-state memories I can find.

>>169678540
does anyone have all the precursor race stories?
So far i got these, the hivemind that killed itself to crash universe.exe, the guys who got aids, and a federation that.... crumbled for some reason?

I want to play something.
My only experience with the genre is civ v but I'm sick of it.

Should I play VI? Stellaris? Endless Legend?

>>169704492
Play some Civ IV mods.

>>169704492
>>169704580
Either that or SMAC.

>>169691805
>declare war on everonye
>raze the entire glaxy
>accuire 6 planets
>cant do shit for 10 years

I swear to fuck, whos idea was this. Also, if i can only get 3 planets for the war, then let that fucking war end when i get those 3 planets, dont make me capture every.single.one. of his shit every time.

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>>169696565
dont know hot to access the portraits

>>169701873
Just read wikipedia.

>>169706061

Oh yeah forgot that comes standard with 3g kindles. Thanks bruh.

>>169697334
HALLOWED BE HIS SHADOW

I'm loving this new Civ update.

>>169707939
Yes.

I wonder who the next two DLC leaders are going to be.

>>169710803
Probably a native American and an African civ

>>169700202
Your view of kangaroos was heavily influenced by Winnie the Pooh.
They're not gentle creatures, in fact they're as bad as badgers.
They also have really fucking scary claws and males fight each other by jump kicking their opponent's groin.
Truly the most Australian of animals.

>>169704469
A mix of internal issues that could spread due toctg federations open borders such as terrorism organized crime and smuggling combined with invasions from outside threats such as those nomadic fleets probably messed up the firs leagues infrastructure and trade which they needed to keep it going and with their economy going to shit the military probably could afford doomstacks to protect all their territory

>>169675396
This dude's a hardcase, kangaroos can disembowel dudes with those kicks

>>169675396
Hey, look, the Australians are picking a new king!

>>169675396
Just another day in Australia

>>169704580
>>169704705

2ancient4me.
I need something modern.

>>169715153
Stellaris should keep you entertained for a bit, but you definitely will get bored of it before too long. Major update coming April 6th though, and when it drops these threads are gonna be Stellaris General for about at least a week or more.

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>>169696565

>>169715753
How do you make Vulcan knockoffs?

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>>169696565
Probably these guys

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"For those who pursue biological perfection, Utopia will offer some useful new traits exclusive to the Biological Ascension Path."

https://twitter.com/Martin_Anward/status/836654971684675587

Fleshbros rule

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>>169701850

These ones trigger my autism when I see them as primitives. They shouldn't have space masks on if they are bronze age primitives.

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>>169716084
desu this is also important.

Definitely gonna check it out on my second run.

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>>169696565

>>169704492
Endless Legend is great and would probably be a nice different sort of experience for you.

>>169716084
Holy shit that erudite trait. For my technocrat race I run Intelligent and Talented, and that single trait combines both of those plus doubles the effect of intelligence. Jesus.

>>169716552
I remember Endless Legend. Never understood the big hype about it, I didn't care for it all that much.

>>169716829

It's seriously gimped if you aren't playing multiplayer.

The Roving Clans basically requires a half full game so you actually have people on the market to gouge and haggle with.

>>169710803
if it's really persia and macedonia, I could see them continuing the 'new leaders' angle and going for, say, shapur ii and philip ii

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>>169716084
Meanwhile the rest of us will be enjoying Warp/Machine godhood.

>>169716934
Did patches ever completely fix balance? I last played before the DLC started to hit and just remember Vaulters and Broken Lords being high on the totem pole while Cult suffered.

>>169717138
The psionics won't be gods at all, but the living fleshlights of their new gods. Meanwhile, the flesh is lewd.

>>169716084
>they keep teasing us when Banks and Utopia are more than a month away

>>169715354

The major complaint I remember people had with stellaris was replayability. Like, there was none.

Are they planning to fix that with this or nah?

>>169717243

DLC helped a bunch, but Lords and Vaulters are still pretty strong simply because they're so simple to play.

The weeaboos and the cult are still weak, but it's no where near as bad as it used to be.

>>169717607
The End of the Cycle fucks like a beast but at least we'll get the lube.

>>169718027
Probably not, just keep throwing out $10 dlc.

>>169714050
None of that in any way addressed the question.

>>169719830
Roo was fighting dog because Roo is a jackass.
That obvious enough for you?

>>169717092
>Macedonia
We already have too Greeks. We don't need any more Balkans.

>>169719886
Obvious but not an actual reason. Even jackasses have reasons.

anyone played the latest gc3 version 2.00?
Is it the game worth anything yet?

>>169716552
>Endless Legend
>turn-based
Into the trash it goes

I can't play turn-based anymore since Paradox spoiled me. Stellaris for example is even a full 4X and it's much more engaging (conceptually) than Civ, which is an endless chore of "move your worker there, now there, and then choose production for this and that city" turn after turn.

>>169721262
>can't appreciate turn-based games

Into the trash you go.

So, how do you do timelapses like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iyy5BthdokE

Is there a combination keys?

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>>169721262

Can you give me faction ideas for my first stellaris playthrough please?

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>slowly tease Utopia for two months
>heres your release date goyim
>1 month away

at this point the fucking refugees are going to destroy paradox before we get Utopia

>>169715891
I thought they were space elves?

>>169722943
console:
observe
and then zoom out on max speed and record, but honestly you only need AT MOST 1 frame per second

>>169716084
Long Live the New Flesh

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Will you?

>>169723770
>at this point the fucking refugees are going to destroy paradox before we get Utopia
Good.

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>>169723770
Sweden was seen as real world utopia.
>they take refuges
>muh global human rights superpower
>it turning to shit
They deserve it.

>>169702292
Banished is comfier, and yes, it has more depth than this.
basically the same, except no space management, no births/death management, resources are on a timer and no one actually carries anything, trade is simplistic as shit and combat is laughable.
you have some events and the worst would be the one telling you an earthquake will happen in a year so you better stock up wood to click on the repair everything button when it happens.
looks like an overcasualized Settlers clone with vikings that should be on googleapps for 3 bucks.

>>169725338
>no one actually carries anything
That one is actually a plus. I can't stand games where I have to wait for the lumberjack to come back with the one plank I'm missing.

>>169687740
Fight someone who has them, research their ships' debris. I've just played a materialist empire and had no trouble getting it.

Although I did play it modded, so it might have been affected in some way I am unfamiliar with. It should work in vanilla too, but I thought I'd mention that.

These new factions in Stellaris seem awfully similar to the senate factions in ES2

>>169716258
Agreed. I wish there were settings for what sort of races should be generated. Some are really nice, but some are straight up silly like that one, or worse, feel less like facing an alien life form and more a space empire of Pokemon.

>>169727357
beheyem mod where

>>169725676
because magic teleportation is better

>>169691353
>tfw when keeping around unbidden on the other side of the galaxy just to fuck other empires over
>could've gotten rid of them a 100 years ago

>>169728013
Still better than being unable to build a battering ram because you miss one plank.

>>169691353
>>169728138
Didn't mean to quote

>>169728218
no, just git gud at collecting resources

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Is this mod any good?

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>Play Stellaris
>Don't read patch notes
>Search the stars for 8/10 colonizable planet
>Can't find none.. fuck
>Find one with space nogs
>Drop army to genocide and take planet
>Perfect 5/7 Plan
>Build sweet, sweet colony ship
>CONGRATULATIONS YOU SUBJUGATED SPACE NOGS!
>WTF man?
>Colony ship built
>Drains 8 energy per month
>What to do?
>Hover over 6/10 planet
>Can colonize
>Check patchnotes
>Certain techs no longer required for colonization

At least I'm only on year 2223. But I got cucked out of like 5 different planets which I would have taken were it not for planet type.

>>169728013
>>169728218
>>169728429
Games like Stellaris where everything is based on discrete resources need a barter mechanic, where you can say "okay I don't have ALL the support I need, so let's roll for persuasion and see if I fuck everything up or not"

>>169696565

I always play as human and my second fav is pepe, but I have to say: those reptilian fags raadiate wisdom by their looks. Its the "de facto" wise oldfag picture.

>>169716084

Basically once banks comes out we must learn how to play stellaris because we know jack shit about the game anymore lol.

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>control nearly half of pangea
>no niter

>play endless legend
>trying to get those special era rewards
>AI gets the "kill 10 armies" award first, almost every time
>AI someone, inexplicably, gets around the map fast enough to kill 10 minor armies/destroy 10 minor villages, without losing any of their people or needing to wait for any of them to heal
Am I being cheated?

I swear one of them also built the museum of auriga in one turn. That would've cost them thousands to rush it. You simply would not have that much dust that early.

It doubly pisses me off because the same factions also manage to settle a extra city or two and keep ahead in research.
I always pull ahead later on and win but I do not understand how they build so much and kill so much when to do the same would bankrupt me and kill my armies.

>>169733539
Oh, I should mention they got that "kill 10 armies" by the 25th turn. And built the museum by the 35th turn.

>>169733539
>>169733658
on higher difficulties they get free stuff yeah

if it's like endless space, they only don't get free stuff on the lowest difficulty

>decide to become patron for artist troupe
>holy shit that drains a lot of energy
>try to undo patronage cause I need to save up energy to terraform
>leviathan shows up in artist troupe system
>destroys their enclave
>they have another enclave and the patronage is apparently still ongoing but now I can no longer interact with them to cancel it
>permanent -25 EC/month with troupe stuck at 100 relations and already have all the bonuses
I really hate this game

>>169734171
Pretty shitty way of balancing it.

>>169734362
it's much easier to make a shit AI and then give them free shit until they're not shit any longer than to make an actually hard one

>>169734197
You can probably edit the save file to get a permanent +25 energy.

>>169734469
Is that why mid game, and beyond, gets so easy? The AI runs out of their free stuff and can't generate enough to keep up with you because they're normally shit?

>>169734362
Balance doesn't exist in Amplitude's dictionary.

I'm getting pretty burned out on civ and endless, any good 4x games that you'd recommend?

>>169735282
Deserts of Kharak.

>>169735282
aurora

>>169735282
Distant Worlds

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnIAF_dNKjg

Thoughts?

>>169735282
Yes

>>169736663
How is the tachyon lance better than the giga canon exactly?

>>169736663
There is no better ship design. There is just the ability to build MORE ships than whoever you are trying to kill.

>>169738914
No idea.

Guys, guys! Utopia has TERRAFORMING CANDIDATES, which is a special modifier on Barren, Frozen or otherwise uninhabitables that can be made inhabitable through the use of advanced terraforming tech!

S-See? Biological is a best, a besT!

>>169716084
>https://twitter.com/Martin_Anward/status/836654971684675587

Oh fuck imagine this with all the trait mods on workshop.

>>169739015
right then

I'm not autistic enough or maybe too dumb for grand strategy.

Should I try stellaris?

>>169739391
sure, just don't pay big bucks for it

>>169739218
>Bios retreat to the Barren worlds while the Warp Worshipers and Machine Consciousness duke it out

>>169740116
>warp worshippers
This will be a thing?

>>169740360
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/stellaris-dev-diary-60-psionics-and-the-shroud.998827/

>>169716084
> bottom right corner icon
BUILD
U
I
L
D

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>only options for ascension are witchcraft, and two different ways to desecrate the body

>>169718027
Wiz has said that he wants it to be a completely different game style playing a spiritualist vs. playing a materialist, etc.
So I think he is aware that every game of Stellaris is currently identical, but I have yet to see any evidence that Utopia changes this. At the moment, as in >>169716084, it just looks playing for Biological Ascention gives you 5 extra traits to genemod but is otherwise identical to NOT playing Biological Ascention

>>169724032
Is this a robot porno, and if so where do I get it?

>>169740481
>allow a few spirits from the void into your conciousness
>"you won't even notice we're there xD"
Yeah what could go wrong?

>>169735282
Dungeon of the Endless

>>169728138
In my last game I killed the Unbidden on the other side of the galaxy purely because the anti-Unbidden diplo bonus was making all my neighbours form up into giant defensive blocs which were much harder to smash.
It wasn't the Unbidden that I feared, it was the mortal unity they induced.

>>169734197
> become pateon of Artist Troupe
> artists just spontaneously stop responding on the diplo screen
> keep clicking, nothing happens
> for 100 years
> crippling debt

Fug

>>169741029
IIRC Wiz said that gene modding is going to be locked Biological Ascension, and so are things like Gene Warriors. So I could see how going Bio for Xenophobes, Slavers, or Militarists would be kind of unique

>>169741521
At least Patrons and Kickstarter are extremely accurate in this game :^).

>>169741569

>Are we going to give new, unseen bonuses to Biological?
>No, we're just going to lock old techs behind new bullshit and fiddle with numbers a smidgeon

>>169739391
Buy Victoria 2 the next time is goes on sale and just spend a lot of time fucking around as the US. You may not understand it at first but eventually you will git gud, it just takes trial and error, and ability to use google search. Victoria 2 is considered to be the most difficult gsg but I actually think it's pretty fucking easy.

>>169741763
Is Victoria 2 the one with broken liquors factories?

>>169741521
Fucking space gypos holy shit.
>first game in 1.4 after only having played on release
>space nomads visit
>ask to leave some of their people with me
>"lol ok"
>start out good
>free pops so I ain't complaining
>few years later
>fuckers are in full on strike
>no influence to supress
>they take the planet
>economy down the drain
>game ruined

>>169742058
What do you mean?

>>169742191
Well, one of the Grand game has some extremely deep mechanisms about factories, populations, and so-so, and there's a... I dunno, it's not really a bug, but liquors factories are extremely interesting in that game because they're easy to make and always in high demands.
Don't remember which one, but I remember trying it, seeing I had to balance between the peasants, the workers and the higher classes, saying "yeah, no", leaving, uninstalling it, and going to read Kumo Desu ga, Nani ka.

>>169741569
Why can't you mix biological and psy?

>>169742429
>always in high demands
I never noticed that.

>>169742570

Going into Biological locks you out of Psionic, and vice versa.

Which is absolute bullshit when you consider why a mechanical race would want to genetically modify their pleasure slaves, or biologicals try to unlock the hidden potential of the mind.

>>169742429
>Kumo Desu ga, Nani ka
>google this
>find " Similar to the Demon King, the Hero's existence too can't be perished."
>"can't be perished"
>into the trash it goes

>>169742570
Because Wiz says so. The rationale is that Wiz wants each ascension path to be unique playstyles, so he wants to keep them separate.

The real problem is that there are only 3 ascension paths, so spiritualists get Psi, materialist Mech, and everyone else gets Bio. It'd be nice if the other ethos got unique ascension paths as well, and if you could mix ascension paths or even if the 3 ascension paths were modified by your secondary ethos.

>>169742575
It's because a fuck ton of pops use liquor as an everyday need. It's also a supply for infantry, which means it gets consumed pretty fast driving up the demand.

What features do they still need to talk about in Utopia?

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>>169742570
not sure if this is relevant but here is some dialogue saved from the 10bux forums

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>>169744598
The catgirl (male) ascension path

>>169741019
>>169741019
>Abloo abloo, no one wants to use my outdated ideology when immortality or mastery of the universe exists.

learn to tech the fuck up.

>>169741019

Are you suggesting Psionics is not getting yourself closer to god.

Are you being xenophobic and refusing to realize there might be an interstellar empire that believes the machine is a divine thing, or that modification of one's body is the ultimate expression of one's removal from evolution and thus nature, making oneself divine?

>>169746281
I want to touch a catgirl's butt.

Great news, /civ4xg/! The FDA has banned antibacterial soaps!

>>169747498
hooray!

>>169747498
but why?

>>169746189
>le gently caress meme
Wow it's still a faggy fucking hugboX, SAD

>>169747498
I am fond of soap

>>169747673
Because they have been scientifically been proven to be no better than regular soap and there is reason to believe they do harm. We have known it for years but companies have kept marketing the stuff to fools who didn't know any better in order to make a buck.

>>169739218
>terraforming and space stations
>making every system just another generic, indistinguishable city for you to manage
pretty boring desu

>>169747673
Because it kills helpful bacteria that build up our immune system and plays a part in the creation of super bacteria that can't be killed.

What's your favorite civ/faction/whatever that's not top tier?

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>>169749975
America

>>169750343
If anyone has a bigger version of this I will be extremely grateful.

>>169747785
The wordfilter is only for pubbies, licensed hebrew stonecutters get to see fuck.

That said people still use it un ironically outside of the lodge though.

>>169748416
>can't be killed.
we shall see

>>169735520
you're supposed to give them a bad game when you do that

>>169746189
>Overpowered fanatic pacifist
Oh baby

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reeeeeeeeeeeeeee

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>>169669762
I always wanted Australia or Canada. McDonald would be a good leader for diplomacy.

But I really want to see Madagascar. King of Madagascar to be exact. Led by Ranavalona I.
>pic related

>>169757383
Kingdom of Madagascar*

>>169750402
>not recognizing ash, who is not her brother

>>169757978
who?

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cute!

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>>169761034

I can't wait to make a hive mind empire.

You will be assimilated.

>>169761673
can't assimilate, only eat

>>169761803
Actually you will be able to. It requires genetic modification or something. Likewise you can remove the hive mind from the pops too.

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What do you think of how Endless Space 2 handles faction questlines?

>>169762468
quests were a mistake, they were cute in endless legend because of the fantasy setting but it's a dumb gimmick that needs to die out from 4x immediately

>>169699728
>>169698975
Play any mods?
Assigned a crappy admiral?

So when does the science penalty of having more planets outstrip the gain from covering it in labs?

God i hate this "pick shit until it disapeas" captchas google has with the slow as fuck fadetime

>>169763354
it's always faster to load a new one that solve that bullshit

>>169762468
The main storylines are fine, except there are definite "bests" for each branch unless you're going for a really unorthodox strat.

The sub quests are kind of mediocre and really only feel like they're there for roleplay value, and often on endless difficulty you're going to min/max anyway.

>>169752276
Oh.

FUCK these on the edge aliens. Makes exploration fucking annoying

>set up long ass movequeue
>oops corvet got rekt on 2nd jump
>reload, make new queue bypassing that shit
>oops it got rekd onn the 3rd jump
>reload, requeu to sip that shit too
>repeat ad finium

Give me a fucking scout ship with no weapons and shit but instant retreat if it gets attacked and it retreats along the queued path.

>>169763396
yes, but even that is more work that what shoudl be necesary. And they give you false negatives all teh fucking time.

>find the sign in this pic
>find it
>lol, wrong heres a new one
>fuck you, skip
>ok, you are good to go, captcha accepted.

Have the collectivist/individualist flavour been moved to civics?

>>169762542
Endless Legend quests were just a dumbed down version of the Elemental/Fallen Enchantress system anyway.

galciv 2 vs 3

>>169766241
Might as well 3. It's better now than at launch. It'll keep seeing support since writing AI is what the CEO does for tun, and his whole game company is built to facilitate his doing that, using the money from his more successful software company when needed.

>>169763028
couldn't be fucked figuring it out last night so went to bed. No new mods or anything since my last game, which was a month ago, and had no issues or weird anomalies like this.

Launched a new game with just a few mods:
complete colours
fastership upgrade
flags emblems etc
larger homeworld
reduced truce time
shorter integration

same issue, 3 corvettes had a total fleet power of 14. Fine, relaunched a new game with no mods. Corvettes had normal fleet power of 103 of whatever it is. Switch mods back on, launch a new game again, Corvettes have normal fleet power; 103. So I dunno what the fuck was bugging it out. Never happened before and haven't edited changed anything since last playthrough

League of 20,000 Planets is back in business!

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>Arrakis
>Sol
all within my starting wormhole range

>>169766827
3 is still full of bugs tho

Do enslaved species produce pops?

>>169771164
There's a policy for slave breeding you can set for your empire I believe.

>>169764483
You just described a science ship.

>>169772793
>policy
ah yeah there is, thanks.

>>169772870
>responding to a save scummer

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>>169772870
science ship still takes days to evade, and when evading the queued movorders gets deleted
>>169773430
eat shite mate, the anomaly rng is bad enough, but the shit i describedis fucking unbereable

What do you think of the air unit mechanics of Civ 6?

>>169744598
Bio victory is next. They still need to talk about machine victory.

>>169746189
>based Wiz

>>169775960
who?

>>169766827
>gc
>good ai
loooool

Can xenophobes be friends with other xenophobes?

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assuming no tile blockers; where would the best place settle?

>>169778559
You could probably suppress that Physics and turn the whole planet into energy-focus.
Otherwise you'd be either suppressing one of those energy tiles to make the most out of planet admin or taking a 3-tile planet admin.
Ideally, if you could remove the tileblockers and then move planet admin, second row down, center tile would be good.

>>169778807
It's frustrates me when there's is no place that is optimal. I'm thinking I'd settle 2nd row, 3rd across, like you said and then just turn the physics into power plant

>>169779267
You could accomplish a similar thing with third down, second across, sacrificing that one energy and presumably that one food next to it for minerals, then put a power plant on top of it.
Otherwise, the physics spot is the only real candidate IMO.

>>169747673
Builds up bacteria resistance through artificial selection

>>169777028
Well their negative opinion modifiers don't stack so Xenophobes shouldn't have any more issues than anyone else making friends with other Xenophobes.
Everyone in my defence pact circle jerks tend to be xenophobic or fanatical xenophobic.

>subterranean anomaly
>on a gas giant

what did they mean by this?

>>169778559
Optimal settle long-term is on a tile with food and / or minerals, surrounded by 4 tiles none of which are research.
As such the only possible answer (assuming no tile blockers) is where the glacier is.
If you ARE accounting for tile blockers, nowhere is optimal; I'd probably go to the north of the volcano to get a +3 energy buff on the volcano tile.

>>169780350
in the metalic hydrogen layer :^)

>>169780350
An anomoly in a giant ball of metallic hydrogen at 50 gigapascals is a REAL anomoly.

>>169780472
>anomoly

>>169780384
Don't Planetary Administrations/Capitals only give adjacency bonuses to mineral, energy and food tiles?

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>>169780575
JUST

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNoy6AJ3-HY

Jeez, these renditions of Waltzing Matilda make this otherwise shit song sound amazing.

>>169780591
Well, yes.
This is why you don't put them next to research tiles

>>169781565
Oh, I misread.

Looks like they made colonizing more difficult in ES2, did they get rid of expansion disapproval entirely?

>>169773795
They don't actually get deleted these days. Patched.

>>169783949
What are you talking about? Is there a new build coming soon?

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>>169784441
I mean compared to ES1. There's a starting -20 dust for any given colony. And the extended development period instead of cold war is nice. If that's a replacement for expansion disapproval then that's very good. Civ IV style.

>>169784657
That never made sense.
>"urgh, we're colonizing ANOTHER planet"
>"fucking gross, Imma stop working to protest"

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>>169784856
I could see how maybe it could be seen as being too big a strain on resources, e.g. "cancel NASA and pay debts xD"

the bigger problem was mechanical, the penalty wasn't that big and the added FIDS was always a bonus. Additionally, the AI would get massive approval bonuses on higher difficulties, and on all difficulties they would spam colonies, and never trade them for any reason other than making peace in a losing war. So if you wanted a competitive economy late game you'd have to ignore the penalty and spam colonies early yourself. The only real limiter on how fast you could colonize was that pops wouldn't grow while building a colony ship. But a few breadbasket worlds later and that problem's solved.

And the worst part is the realtime simultaneous turns. Turns the game into a twitch reaction fest of who can issue the colony command faster.

Imagine a fucking board game where multiple people reach their hand in at the same time and fight over the pieces. Ridiculous.

tl;dr it was a shitty mechanic that didn't stop expansion at all

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>>169716258

>>169785340
Nice photoshop.

>>169730930

With those eyesore colours?

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any stellaris mods that allows you to control what premade empires that should spawn/not spawn?
It's retarded that they don't allow you to have that option when they allow it for your own custom made empires.
I'm tired of seeing clones of my own or neighbouring species show up

>>169781264
>the main civ 6 theme is complete over-hyped garbage
rip

>>169781264
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0Bwv2dK7FM

>>169786475
>complete over-hyped garbage
same with muh Baba Yetu.
civ v g&k objectively has the best main theme, followed by civ iv warlords

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Can the AI Rebellion convert regular, non-sentient Robots? Or is it limited to Droids and Synths?

Giga cannon or tachyon lance?

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would you do her anons?

>>169788273

she's always a bitch to me ingame so no

>constantly spreads religion to you
>gets arsey when you tell her to stop
>Denounce her when she does it again
>Ignores me
>Invade her, crush her religion and take her capital
>I'm suddenly history's greatest monster

Napoleon doesn't need this shit

>>169788154
Giga cannon, though tachyon lances are great for making Death Grips jokes.

>>169788273
Do what? Brand her?
Yes, I'd apply a red hot iron to her ass to mark her as my slave.

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>>169788384
the waifus are allways assholes tho

>>169788463
thats a patrician tier fantasy