/civ4xg/ - Strategy/4X General

>>169459434
>All 4x games are also Grand Strategy games, by definition,
that's like saying 4 is equal to 3, by definition

>>169460918
who are you quoting?

Has anyone updated the Stellaris mod archive lately? There are a lot of mods on the workshop that I can't find in the list for download.

Why are parajew allowed to make such shitty spaceship customisation.

I miss star ruler 2

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Wow, he is offering me one of his great works. And it's really early in the game too. I think it's because he is asking for my one and only horse resource.

OK.
So FUCK research. I need waaaaay more energy and minerals. Just in case my faggot rival has allies that turn his "equal" fleet into one twice my strength.
>"Oh, it's just battleships and cruisers!", I thought, "My corvette spam will get 'em!"
Hell no. Not when it seems their "normal" fleet is specifically geared towards fighting corvettes. Lots of strike craft on their battleships. I trust their lasers not to hit anything but I'm not sure how strike craft work. I imagine they work well enough against unshielded, shitty corvettes from 4 different technologies in my empire.

>>169462294
You got two fucking horses.

>>169462365
Also I can't believe I still fell for the venerable meme.
Your lead researchers living for 120 years does not make up for +25% research in your favorite area. Not to mention the 10% in the other 2.

AWOOOOOOOO~

>>169462294
Horses are important to Russians

>>169462457
Then you got me. I don't know why he would be giving me one of his great works for so little.

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Enjoy this shitty rehashed meme of a joke empire, lads. Trying to figure out how to make it more entertaining at the moment.

>>169466462
pacifists are the most boring thing to play even if you're roleplaying.

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>>169466462
>Senatus Populusque Romanum
Abandon those filthy bleeding-heart space mollusks and fight for the glory of Rome instead, profligate.
Ave in all fields.

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Can anyone seriously tell me why my home system is exactly the same in every game I play as my favorite race?
Is it locked when you create them?
Can a home system even have more than 1 habitable planet? Because I swear to God, I can re-roll for hours.

>>169467438
>re-rolling for hours
kys

>>169466642
I dunno, it's the only way to slow the game down once you're used to playing the highest difficulty. Everything else just ends up with you snowballing through almost the entire galaxy within 100 years or so. With pacifist, every hostile takeover can only happen very slowly through vassalization and integration, so you're not going to become the unstoppable giant blob compared to everyone else until very late into the game.

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>>169462294

Horses? those look more like donkeys

>>169460918
>that's like saying 4 is equal to 3
No. 4x games are a subset of Grand Strategy.
Grand Strategy's only requirements are
1. To be concerned with macro-level development, expansion, diplomacy, and long-term strategy, whether or not micro-level (i.e. strategy, tactics, etc.) are also included.
2. To include both war and peace as periods of consideration.
3. To be concerned with more than one opponent at a time.

Everything else is merely tacked on. /gsg/ does not accept /twg/ or /civ4xg/ (they USED to until the other two split off), but that doesn't alter the definition of Grand Strategy, nor does it alter the definition of a game that simulates grand strategy.

It's like saying that the real numbers are a subset of the hyperreals.

>>169467438
IIRC there is a mod for more randomized start system.

>>169469430
4x and grand strategy are different genres

What was the that Stellaris mod where it adds more endgame events etc, i cant wait for next update.

>>169469567
Yes they are, in the same way that RTS and strategy are different genres.
Explain to me what Civilization or MoM fails to capture that disqualifies it from being a GS game. Note that I'm not saying all GS are also 4x.

>>169469430
>/gsg/ does not accept
True. There are many things /gsg/ doesn't accept.

>>169469681
>explain to me the difference between civ and crusader kings

are you for real?

I am fond of pigs.

>>169469973
That's not what I asked, you expert strawman erector. I told you precisely the actual definition of Grand Strategy gaming, based off the definition of Grand Strategy as opposed to strategy and tactics. Your job is to tell me what Civilization or MoM fails to capture in that list.

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>>169470082
Enjoy worms in your intestine, infidel.

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Australia is fun. I only thought the other outposts had adjacency bonuses with them. I did not know they also stacked up onto the pasture itself. Plus i think it looks neat how they all link together.

On top of that a 6 adjacency science district in the ancient era is silly.

>>169470331
Stop eating raw meat, Ahmed. It's never good idea.

>>169470335
Same with tundra adjacency bonus.

And yeah. Outback stations make me bummed out when I see luxury resources on plains because it ruins the size of pastures I would have otherwise been able to make.

>>169470404
but the japs do it, it must be fine

>>169469687
I always thought it was p. amusing that /gsg/ doesn't want anything to do with Aurora, despite it being far grander in scope than anything else there while still easily fulfilling thier own "requirements".

Even funnier is that they somehow are okay with Distant Worlds which is straight up 4x with neither bells nor whistles.

Almost as if anything produced by known grognard enablers Paradox & Matrix is a-okay, and everything else is terrible and bad because reasons.

Contrarian dipshittery at it's finest.

>>169470331
>2017
>being filthy mudslime

Come on.

>>169466642
Dunno man, my pacifist buddhist bird empire is right now a leading power of the galaxy through the power of vassalizing the fuck out of every ascending primitive and weakling star empire in my vicinity

>>169470404
I eat it cooked, but with pork, you can never kill the worms. This is why pork is haram.

>>169470838
I was there. It was a massive shit-poster.
If you fire up a game of Auroa, that one nigger will complain and everyone else will ignore it except for a few who might pay attention.
Because really, who cares? It's easy to tell what you're posting because it's a mostly blue and white picture. If Aurora isn't your thing, scroll by it.

>play on marathon
>have 3 barbarian camps near me
>they are both producing a horse unit every turn
>it takes me 20 turns to produce a warrior
fucking epic what a joke

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>>169470957
That one pathetic faggot during great /gsg/-Aurora war annoying as fuck.

Im glad Aurora migrated to here.
/gsg/ is bunch of insufferable whackjobs and /pol/ rejects.

>>169470624
No, the Japanese eat raw fish, and people who actually make sashimi / sushi are basically kitchen gods when it comes to identifying healthy fish and how suitable they'll be.
Fish are healthier raw than meat anyway as long as you give it a good wash, but I had a friend, Japanese girl, who could literally point at a fish in the supermarket and eyeball how long ago it got out of the water to like 75% accuracy. This is without touching it, smelling it, anything. Just eyeballing.

>>169470838
>/gsg/
It's one guy, but a really autistic one guy.

>>169470624
There are no diseases you can catch from fish beyond a few very rare parasites.

>tfw ffh2 actually kinda sucks because the AI is shit

>>169470949
That's flat out wrong. They aren't fucking prions. They are macroscopic creatures. They can be killed by heat more than most things. Simply freezing meat often kills most worms and larvae.

>>169471138
I remember when I stopped playing CKII and started EU4. I had a blast and I really had fun, but when I tried to share my screenshots and ask for advices, I was rejected for "playing a babby game".
The only help I could get was about which national ideas to pick. For everything else, it was "play the third one lol" or "play a real game xDDD".

>>169471142
Hello, this is /gsg/. ur gey

t. wiz

>>169471845
Yeah. Its a total shitshow.
Good thing their games also suck so i dont have to associate with them.

>>169470957
>>169471138

I'm not a huge fan of Aurora, but I can at least appreiciate that other people are.
Hell, I can't even tell what's going on in some of these screenies, but I can tell the guys posting them are having fun.

That's all that matters really.

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>>169472075
Well, I like it a lot more than CKII because it's more predictable and less random, and with mods, it can become pretty fun.
Here, I'm taking over eagleland with slime dogs and underling scrubs. Just the randomness of it pleases me.

>>169472104
I never understand a single thing to Aurora but I like how it doesn't look like a game.

>>169472231
What mod this is?

>>169472576
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=780740446

A silly mod based on a silly Japanese RPG with a lot of cute girls doing cute things.

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what the fuck how do I deal with all this crime lads

>>169474452
kill them all

>>169474452
Kill everyone.

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>>169474452
Did you really need to ask?

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pocahontas is so ridiculous when combined with the french colonies 50% bonus towards native relations. you can wipe out and enslave entire indian tribes without them trying to fight back.

not to mention the hard reset on relations upon first getting her, letting you steal every piece of native land you can get your hands on and completely avoiding retaliation.

>>169476316
seems historical

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>try Aurora
>can't do anything
>give up

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>>169478949
I hate that "le Aurora is difficult to start" meme.

Its hard to do GOOD in Aurora but its not that hard to start if you have any space 4x experience.

>>169479149
what magnavox game is this?

>>169470250
Grand Strategy is purely about diplomacy/warfare. That's why it's called "grand", you don't occupy yourself with lowly scouting duties etc. There are zero exploration elements involved and economy is generally minimal (as in collect/trade resources).
4x is what the name involves. You explore randomly generated map. You exploit resources like iron or minerals, etc.
Both are strategy, but 4x is certainly not GS.

>>169480874
>Grand Strategy is purely about diplomacy/warfare. That's why it's called "grand", you don't occupy yourself with lowly scouting duties etc
So EUIV isn't a GS then?

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>>169480874
But can I conquer the Gaul?

>>169471192
>2017
>eating fish
>the things that filter every filth and heavy metals floating arround

>>169480985
Is undiscovered land in the EUs randomly generated?

>>169481621
Sometimes. There's an option to make America random.

>>169481621
It can be, there's a setting for that that came with one of the DLCs.

>>169480874
So is Vicky not a GSG by your standards then?

So when's utopia actually coming out?

>>169483039
1st of April

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>>169483039
no release date given yet m8

>>169471009
Fuck that m8
Did u wiggle ur way out of it?

>>169474452
Show buildable buildings only.
>bandit hideout
Get rid of banditry as a civic, it's great forwar but that's not your problem right now.
Build Town Patrols or whatever version is available
I've literally never had crime problems so I don't know how the fuck you got it that high.

>arithmetic in 3140BC
Lad what the fuck are you doing?

>>169480874
>Grand Strategy is purely about diplomacy/warfare. That's why it's called "grand", you don't occupy yourself with lowly scouting duties etc. There are zero exploration elements involved and economy is generally minimal (as in collect/trade resources).
No you dumbass. The thing that truly distinguishes Grand Strategy from Strategy is that it actually takes the economic effects of war and the effects of growth and relative power projection into acount. Grand Strategy is the strategy of the entire nation over a long period of time. It's the highest level of strategy, for the highest of goals - the expansion of power and interests. Whether or not you concern yourself with lowly scouting duties is not consistent, because the importanance importance of scouting and exploratin is not consistent. The grand strategy of the colonial nations historically WAS to expand outwards, find new and uncharted territory, and grab more pie for themselves.
Whether or not your map is randomly generated or historical, whether or not you ALSO participate in strategy and tactics along the way, that's immaterial, it has nothing to do with how Grand Strategy works and what it actually entails. TW is a Turn-Based Grand Strategy (a shallow one) + RTT game. Civilization is a pure TB-GS. EU / Vicky are pure RT-GS.

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They sitting here since the they appeared, wtf.

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>>169485541
Reee, their battlefleed roaming around and siege planets but they never capture it, some of their fleets just sleeping around. Wtf is going on, i was waiting for them for a end game challange. They are inactive like for 40 years.

>>169485675
wtf is that shit

>>169479149
The game's fucking impenetrable if you're just starting it.

There's submenus within submenus within submenus, and each of those have like 20 tabs with a shitload of information and there's no way of telling what's important, or where you're supposed to start.

>>169460731
I'm going to play Aurora since it seems it's the only cool 4X game that can run in my toaster. Any tips?

>>169485149
my shit terrain is made of production and food

I have ZERO commerce

>>169485541

Load your lasers and scorch them. Fortify planets with army.

The only "crysis" so to speak I ever get is getting btfo by FE's :S. Can someone tell me if the machine consciousness can be more dangerous than the extra dimensional invaders?

>>169487060
>I have ZERO commerce
Yeah but what about your hunting? You didn't fucking butcher the animals before spmming Myths did you?
Also again show buildable buildings. Build more patrols
Build more gatherers before you o Sedentary, they're sexy af but more importantly they upgrade into Workers which cost way more hammers.

>>169485675

>energy surplus

The game is won. Start a new one.

>>169487286
There's no butchering anymore I don't think, when you subdue an animal you get their hammers and food and then you can build the myths or "butcher" them for 5 science and 10 culture

I have all of the myths of the animals that spawn nearby and some from afar, I can't send hunters abroad though because they get shit on by barbarians. Anyway I think I got it under control, arithmetic gave me counting house which reduces crime by 5, plus I'm spamming enforcers and it's slowly going down

I don't wanna open the game again, am currently getting angry at dark souls

>>169487595
>barbarians
>tfw ywn be a qt Gatherer who <was Captured by a Barbarian Brute!>

>>169486398

Keep wiki open at all times, and use it to check everything not entirely clear.
Also, be prepared to screw up a couple of times before you get the hang of it.

>stellaris game is won after 1-2 wars cripling your main competitor and elevating you above the rest, so any further wars just further cement your position as the ruler of the galaxy.
>conversly, if for some reason (like surrouded by advanced start fagots geting twice the resources as you due to dificulty because making the game actually harder would have required more than 3 lines of code), and cant win the above 1-2wars, you are hopelesssly behind with no chance of catching up

So how do we make it so the game isnt decided in the first 30-50 years?
How do you guys make it interesting?

How was Civ VI received here? Better or worse than Civ V?

>>169488664
Where "here"? Firaxis bombarded every nook and cranny with shills, so they defend the pile of shit no differently from other places.

>>169488664
>received
CiV was received here like Rome 2 was received. Civ VI has been met with global indifference after a two-month stint of "it's fucking shit".

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GAME OVER MAN

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>>169460731
Hey guys, so I swung by the steam page of Civ 6 and see it's got a gorillion of negative reviews and a Mixed rating right now.

What's your take on the game in its current state? Is it worth a buy yet, or is it still sort of a cock-up?

My only impression from it is back at release when I pirated it. Have they fixed the AI yet? Have they fixed the fact that Culture victories took much longer than Science ones? Have they tinkered with Combat, Diplomacy, Barbarians, etc?

Any thoughts you have would be cool to read

>>169490617
Stellaris on launch was better than Civ6 will ever be. Think about it.

>>169490816
Dang. Any clues as to why the game was so incompetently made then?

I mean, I thought XCOM2 proved Firaxis was still pretty based, but it baffles me as to how they ended up choosing chucklefucks for Civ 6's team then.

Wasn't the lead designer the guy that led Brave New World?

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>>169487350
Actually i losed thanks to LEX mod, i activated obelisks which appeared near of my capital. Then a fucking million chaos like being destroyed my 200k fleet in a sec. Well i should listen them and not open them fully.

>>169486295
Peaceful prethoryn invaders i guess.

>>169481486
Moderation.

>>169491160
We need Moving Leviathans that drift across the galaxy destroying everything in their path, circling it completely every hundred years.

They could serve as moving natural disasters and such, assaulting nations and reshaping their borders where they go.

>>169492328
Star ruler had some old ancient giant warships that drifted among systems beating shit

>>169490617
>Have they fixed the fact that Culture victories took much longer than Science ones?
Indeed they have! You can now get a culture victory unintentionally by simply taking enemy art via war. Science victory now requires not only getting to the end of the tech tree but also building multiple wonder-level spaceship parts, and any opponent can stifle production easily with spies.

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>>169492581

I'm sorry, I'm sure this gets asked a lot, and maybe especially recently as well, but would Civ IV or V be a better starting point? The current humble bundle has both for pretty cheap, and I'm likely going to just get both, but I was wondering what most people thought was the "better" game.

>>169488664
After the new update I'd say It's now equal to Civ 5. The mods just started coming out so I expect it to get really good in the near future.

>>169460731
Why are your cities so close?

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>>169493051
Civ 5 with mods.

>>169490617
>australia DLC

What

>>169493206
[anschluss]

>>169493051
civ 4 is objectively better, civ 5 is more casual friendly and has a GOAT aesthethic

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I haven't played Stellaris in a while. Are namelist changing mods finally compatible with achievements in ironman?

I would like to recreate some LoGH scenario in an achievement run.

>>169493051
all below is considering all dlcs nad shit included:

Some consider 4 to be deeper, which might be true, but for whoever starting that might be more intimidating and the combat is DOGSHIT of single deathstacks.

On the other hand, civ5 is more intuitive, but a bit more shallow as a result, but i think its a worthwhile tradeoff, especialy since the combat now at least resmbles something more complex with the 1unit/tile limit.

Both has their own pors and cons as well as shared issues.

In the end, i would go with 5. I couldnt stand 4s fucking combat to the point that whatever pros it might have just didnt worth it.

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HAK HAK HAK

>>169493567
vis a vis combat, the system has several issues
1. the AI is dumb-dumb, and can't use the terrain well, or at all. in civ 4 they can at least just send a death stack to be challenging
2. see >>169493206
3. to avoid 2, production was generally slowed down
4. which means there's nothing to do for a long while, so they had to add more free random stuff at the beginning
5. the game is less of an empire builder and more of a random free stuff simulator as a result

t. sulla

>>169494428
>[fanatic materialist]:
>building whole ships out of saggy, easily plasma'd flesh
>current year +200
>shiggy diggy

>>169494428
Invader filth!

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>>169494603
I actually enjoy the late game unit carpets. It makes the game a whole lot more challenging.

>>169495297
>Religion: OFF

*tips funnyhat*

>>169493051
As a rule I always recomend the second to last iteration. It's cheaper, has a lot of features, and if you have never played a civ game then you will enjoy it all the same.

>>169495398
I prefer to start in the industrial era or later.

Is the Vox Populi mod for Civ 5 worth downloading?

>>169495851
>Vox Populi
I didn't even know this was a thing.

>>169495851
If you are board of the original then yes.

>>169495851
yes it makes it a lot better and actually challenging

>>169495851
>>169496564
Challenging bug not necessarily in a good way. I see even more impossible snowballing in VP than BNW.

Where the fuck is the whole stellaris civics list?

>>169491160

>obelisks

The fuck is that? Dead Space?

>>169497634
daily reminder that the marker being evil was a retcon

>>169474452
which mod?

>>169490039

>alien
>reverse search the dyke for rule 34

>>169460731
what game?

>>169492581
>Science victory now requires not only getting to the end of the tech tree but also building multiple wonder-level spaceship parts

Wasn't that the case in every prior version?

>>169497757

>it was evil. It killed the whole series
>No more Dead Space game : (
>Dead Space > Mass Effect

>>169497757
Nope, sorry. The marker fucked everyone on the Ishimura.

>>169497757
There was more than one kind of marker.

>>169497965
not even remotely, play the game again, and pay attention to the meaning of the title

>>169497764

>the kikest kike worth jack a shit
>my eyes are now bleeding and I regret it

>>169497998
which was a concept introduced with the retcon, yes

>>169498034

The moons are cancer. Nobody want to be eaten by the moons.

>>169498115
>>169497764

pls do not sexualize or bully the 'squez

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>>169460731
Can you guys morally justify pirating Stellaris because of shitty DLC practices?

Or do you just do it because you don't give a shit?

>>169499098
I can morally justify pirating the DLC for that reason.

>>169497890
No more Dead Space games is fine, they would just screw up things even more. I'm glad that 3 sold so bad.

>>169499243
do you run any risk by buying the game legit-like on Steam, but pirating the DLC?

>>169499306
Nope. People have been doing that with Paradox games for at least half a decade with absolutely no penalty.

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>>169499280
>they fucked up alien 3 on earth
>canned dead space 2 on earth
>blomkamp alien 3 canned
>there will never be a proper dead space 2 because of EA

>>169499656
I liked Dead Space 2.
The third, however...

>get DOWd by my two friends and it qualifies as a "formal war" for no apparent reason
>have to fight though their city states to get them, giving me a horrible warmonger penalty
>one city state inexplicably forces all of my units out of its borders for one turn and into the kill zones of india
>lose a wonder I spent a great engineer on
>EXIST TO MAIN MENU
Sometimes I just can't put up with this shit.

>>169500251
dead space 2's plot didn't make any sense and the gameplay was more of a fast paced cutscene/corridor shooter than the more half-life ish semi survival thing in the first one

and it's so full of bullshit that instakills you if you don't know about it beforehand

3 was an obvious cash grab so of course the /v/ hivemind instantly hates it, but 2 was no better in my perspective

the comparison to alien 3 is actually pretty good here, it was fairly bad compared to the first 2, but a4/ds3 is the karmic answer to the question "how could it possibly be worse?"

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Qin Shi Huang's Great Wall improvement, great tile improvement or useless?

I find it hard to find useful. It just takes up space that could have been spent on farms, mines, district, or wonders. Space is at a premium in Civ 6 and borders don't grow fast enough to justify wasting it, to say nothing of the used up worker charges.

>>169501131
That's pretty comfy, I'd live there

>>169499098
I do it because i'm a nihilist, therefore I don't have to explain anything

Why am I explaining myself to you

>>169501694
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AEMiz6rcxc

>>169501131
It's pretty shit.
the defense bonus isn't great, and the other bonuses are so reliant on spacing that it's awkward to really maximize for them
plus, you're spending workers on them when you could instead be spending those workers on F R E E W O N D E R S
that town is comfy as heck though good job

>>169501131
holy fuck, i've seen better looking, less plastic iphone games. The fuck were thy thinking?

Theres a line between stylized and fucking laughable.

Is Civ VI fun?

I got annoyed with V because cities were too fucking strong. Also, new stuff looks nice.

>>169502407
It's okay. Worth a pirate, not a buy (imo).
Might be worth a buy when it gets expansions

>>169500781
Gameplay wise, I vastly prefer the second game. It feels more polished, smoother, and Isaac answers more to commands.
But I do like the first's ambiance. You really feel in danger all the time.
>find necromorphs
>kill (?) them
>come later
>they're all gone
I feels like trying to fight a rising tide. I liked it.

But it was bugged as fuck, and they never bothered fixing the bugs.

>>169493206
>>169493382
>>169493567
>>169495467
Sorry it's a bit late but thanks for the replies. Thinking I might start with V and alternate between the two once I get going.

>>169503726
that's probably why they did it, fast-fags like everything to be snappy, but it runs counter to the games design. when you are sluggish and the field of view is narrow and everything is dark, you aim down a certain direction you are commited to that direction and you don't know what could come from the side, which makes it very tense

but they are also responsible with that, and don't throw too much shit at you from out of view, and never something that will just kill you without warning

in dead space 2 you are frequently surrounded, and very powerful enemies often come from out of view or suddenly behind a door you just walked through, the level designers have no idea what they are doing anymore

and like I said, it's missing the exploration-survival element completely, it's just call of duty with plasma cutters

>>169504590
I'm more talking of the atmosphere. In Dead Space, I almost never used stase, because I always expected something big to come at me.
Dead Space 2 is more balanced, but as you said, it's more action oriented.

And I like a silent Isaac.

>>169505093
well to me dead space 2 has no atmosphere, between the retarded retcons, senseless plot, horrible dialogue, cheesy b-movie feel, and constant over the top cutscene driven setpiece action, I don't see how I could be immersed.

>>169505648
What bothers me most about Dead Space 2 is how you're supposed to know all the lore.
If you go from Dead Space to Dead Space 2 without doing all the bonus works and flash games, you'll miss a lot of stuff.

>>169505093
For the whole first game I expected a big reveal of him being a robot or cyborg, thus immune to the mind control, with his name being in-universe reference, not just devs randomly memeing.

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>Stellaris
>LEX
>finally beat giant rape ship guarding Araboth system
>reward for beating giant rape ship is my own giant rape ship, ringworld with 6 habitable sections and a tomb world
Okay, that seems nice
>all sections look like this
>tomb world also has a monolith on it
Yeah, totally gonna trust this system to not fuck me in the ass.

>>169505821
Dunno, I liked the revelation, and I liked how he's constantly detached from the action. That can be easily explained as him being in shock the entire game.

>>169505821
>immune to mind control
did you play the game... at all?

>>169506096
Hey, what's the worst that could happen?

>>169506174
I think he's talking about how the only hallucination Isaac has doesn't try to kill him. Until Dead Space 2 anyway.

>>169506198
Only one way to find out.

This mod is giving me Stockholm Syndrome

>>169506096
>>169506198
See what happens to me
>>169491160

>>169506174
iirc he showed no sympthoms until the very end of first game.

>>169506345
No spoilers, cunt.

>>169506345
That's Arcadia though. That one is bait incarnate.

>>169506460
Mine was little bit different than yours. There was on a gaia world (which was sealed with energy barrier) with 4 obelisk and i didnt have to kill any big boss to reach it. Now im thinking i was asking for it.

>>169506353
the entire game you're being led on by the marker manifesting itself as nicole to manipulate you
that's also the reason the retcon is so extremely retarded. the marker's "dead space" is keeping the leviathan contained while it's on the pedestal, you are being used to help the marker and the necromorphs attack you and """"nicole"""" relentlessly the whole time to stop it, the marker and the necromorphs are enemies

is it really so esoteric and difficult to pick up on?
I spoilered because it really is a much better experience if you realize it while playing.

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Did Firaxis kick out all the feminists after Civ VI launched so they could focus on making waifus?

>>169506725
I thought Nicole was just Isaac hallucinating by himself and that the Marker's influence didn't have enough time to settle in.
After all, it took days, maybe even week to turn the Ishimura into a slaughterhouse.

I did like the small details in the movies. Like the Ishimura's doctor killing the Captain in self-defense, and Dead Space's surveillance report showing him killing him in cold blood.

liquor

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>>169506198
>>169506345
This is the warship that I got as part of the reward. Araboth is gonna be a fun one.

>>169507341
Idk if LEX mod ruined game with those overpowered events, ships, planets etc or add more endgame content to make it fun.

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>>169507039
>it's not feminist if she's cute
fell for it

>>169507487
To be fair in this case you have to defeat a ship just like that one.

>>169507085
it didn't take anything, in the game the marker is NOT the source of the necromorphs, the necromorphs appear when the dead space is removed due to removing the marker from the pedestal, the necromorphs somehow manage to get on board the ship sometime after, the colony was quarantined long before that
people like the doctor and isaac are manipulated by the marker posing as dead relatives to return it to the pedestal

>>169502356
Here's your (you).

>>169508038
Umm? I need to reinstall the game, because I misunderstood it.
I understand the marker keeps the hive mind sleeping and that it makes people insane, but I never looked the relation between necromorphs and the marker.

>>169486372
Not to mention the hurdle of getting it running.

>>169507039
The most adorable king in history.

>>169508036
Yeah defeating or fighting with it ok but what about getting that ship to your lines? I mean i would be ok if AI gets same shit but you already have 200k fleet power for fighting it but also getting that ship? AI is already pants on head retard.

Goddamn this game needs 10x more fucking diplomacy and ai.

>>169508294
no one is insane, they're reacting quite rationally to dead beloved returning from the grave asking for help, that's another invention of dead space 2

dead space 2 is like a 5 year old's interpretation of the story presented in the first one, everything is taken exactly at face value

one of my other biggest complaints with it is that "convergence" which is presented as a more generic eventual unification of all life through resurrection, i.e. necromorphs devouring everything. is turned into a literal, retarded, necromorph hurricane which serves no purpose

unitarianism which contains many elements of many different religions and denominations and is a quite clever construction in the first game, is likewise turned into
>hurr durr ananomoose is lejun xD fuck scientology *tip*

Can somebody give link to 1.4.1 Stellaris update?

>turn 64
>DEFEATED! An unmet player ahs been defeated.
I guess Sumer is in the game somewhere.

Can somebody give link to 1.5 Stellaris update?

>>169509323
does sumer have special beer related technologies?

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Clever girls...

>>169508992
But it's true. Scientology and unitology are both shits.

>>169508294

The TL:DR is that the marker is opposed to the Necromorphs.

Timeline:

Marker Found, Translated (partially)
Idiot cultist scientists recreate compound designated by marker (right alongside partially translated "DON'T FUCK WITH THIS" messages)
Scientists remove marker from pedestal (this deactivates the "dead space" field around it that inhibited necromorph function.)
Leviathan awakens, cells in medical section infect corpses and clone bodies.
idiot cultists across the ship sabotage containment efforts.
Recovery team arrives, Isaac conceals the suicide of Nicole on camera from the rest of the team; He is emotionally compromised, making him an excellent target for mental influence.
Game continues, More idiot cultists, idiot non-cultist soldiers, Isaac finally gets the marker back, follows alien mind-fuck instruction to get it active again, gets betrayed by singular idiot cultist, bails, Marker mindfuckery follows him off planet because he didn't succeed at the job

Next game, a bunch of somewhat reasonable lore turns to complete shit because they retcon shit for no reason into "Marker Bad, Here badder Marker".

Because EA doesn't know a god damn thing about consistency.

>>169509392
bitch, do you think that this is a fucking game?!

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>>169509604

>>169509608
So it's even more retarded than I thought.
>"HEY, DO NOT DO THAT FORMULA WHO'S WRITTEN HERE"

>>169509608
the traitor isn't a cultist, but a secret agent sent to retrieve the marker for study, similar to how the corporation in alien wants to study the aliens and don't care if it unleashes hell on some backwater colony

there's also the implication that a marker exists on earth, which would have made for a very interesting sequel, again very similar to the proposed plot for alien 3 before they fucked it up

so, hence, my face when >>169499656

>>169503726

Fuck! The second is far more intense than the other two. In DS 1, enemies were tougher but a lot slower and their dps was inferior. DS 3 was a little more arcade, but 2 not only maintained the atmosphere of 1, it made the fuckers fast paced and high damaging as fuck!

>>169510846
>there's also the implication that a marker exists on earth
I really have to replay the game, I don't remember that.

>>169511004
Dead Space 2 was indeed more arcadey than the first. You kill necromorophs by the dozens.

>>169509680
DUDE ALIEN GHOSTS LMAO

>/civ4xg/ - Dead Space General

>>169511130

True, but when you hear the vents cracking you get immediately on your toes because you know you will have something coming at you at 9000 miles per hour that can kill you in 1 or two hits, while on 1 was just a slow paced retard waving appendages in the air and you could literally walk circles around it.

>>169511473
I'd like a parody where the necromorphs are replaced by retarded screeching autistically.

>>169511130
demons, actually
>the devil himself masquarades as an angel of light
>sceances are demons taking advantage of peoples emotional weakness for deceased relatives

the imagery is quite obvious near the end, the whole thing is very religiously motivated, which is why the mischaracterization of unitarianism as a retarded parody of le chanology so epikkk xDD is even worse

>>169511473
the game is meant to be slow paced, turning it into twitchy action is dumb
quakefags OUT

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>My fleets are so large that the game's FPS plummets when I so much as have them selected
>When the armistice is over it's just going to be a huge stuttering mess when I inevitably get into another war with the Federation

>>169511970
How huge? The largest I've had (IIRC) were around 600-700 naval cap and it only caused lag if I was watching the system they were in.

>>169507341

What the heck is that Jump Drive? Not even the Psi is that color.

And the Enigmatic Energy Source is GREEN!

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>>169512334
Any of them above 300 fleet cap cause slight drops.
The 600+ though one is very bad
I'm working on standardising them into about ten 640 (20x8 - 40x4 - 80x2 -160x1) fleets so I can occupy planets faster than the Federation can blockade mine as well as not having to worry about the entire federation sending all their fleets on top of one of mine.

>>169511779
Actually, Quake isn't really twitchy. Enemies have a lot of HP, and deal a lot of damage compared to Doom where they die in two shots.

>>169512948
Every part is unique senpai.

Not counting the weapons, the parts have:
>array is +20 tracking, 100 range
>jump drive is +100% range
>computer is +30% RoF and +30% range
>engine is 100% speed (both sublight and 100%) and a +20 evade because fuck you
>each generator provides 280 power
>not seen in screenshot are the shields that each give 1200 HP and +20 regen
>also 6 capacitors that each gives +100% shield regen (I am dead serious)
>also 3 more parts that gives 5% monthy hull regen each
Bare in mind you have to defeat a ship like this one to get that as a reward. Oh yeah, and I am honestly unsure how well it will fare against the other bullshit that LEX will throw at you. It's like I'm really playing Angel Arena.

All that discussion about Dead Space only reminds me of how much I like haunted ships stories.

Fuck you Event Horizon, for having a good start but falling into torture gorn so easily.

>>169513835
i downloaded space pirates and zombies 2 recently
it was fucking awful
i don't remember anything about 1 besides the fact that i dropped it super early on

>>169513512
Weird, my computer is far from top notch (though it's not a toaster either), and like I said I only experience lag if I'm watching the system they are in.

>>169513926
I liked it, but it's really special. And frustrating.

I liked Dead Space because the Ishimura was fucking big, and despite being a spaceship, it had more to it than just corridors. I don't think there are many sci-fi shows/games/books where there's a greenhouse in the ship for food and dioxygen. That was nice.

>>169513682

Dead Space doesnt really compare to those. You play a "sluggish moving" char on a third person view.

What happened like anons said is that from 1 to 3 things got progressively more arcade. Although I still think that 2 got the recipe just right between the ambiance of 1 and the intensity of 3. The necromorphs are idd more numerous but they sure as hell are deadly. Its the perfect game to play at night alone.

3 is just a third person fps focused on weapon crafting. Still funny as hell but it totally breaks the "horror" recipe.

>>169514121
I never played the third. I played the second and found it very pleasant to play, through I missed the first's atmosphere.

The second's gameplay in the Ishimura would've been the best thing ever.

>>169514271

Ah yes..

>co-op missions in 3 just to fuck up your shit so you cant get 100% of the game without multiplayer

The cancer

>>169514570
>co-op
>IN AN HORROR GAME
WHAT

>>169514121
>Although I still think that 2 got the recipe just right between the ambiance of 1 and the intensity of 3.

not really, like I already said they fucked with the tight view/sluggish control thing from the first game, often surround you with enemies, have instant-death traps, things coming from offscreen etc. which can only be countered by knowing ahead of time, which is artificial difficulty

if you're playing with a mouse on a high sensitivity fast moving enemies are less offensive I guess, but for the more slow paced game that it is supposed to be, all enemies being fast is just dumb, in the first one they handled it correctly with the reverse stasis fast movers being a special challenge to overcome rather than just the state of play

and the whole game is a cutscene/corridor affair, where the first one has a lot of more open spaces, it's still linear but you can often take more than one route or do the objectives in more than one order, facilitating exploration and survival

it's similar to half-life in this way, it's overall linear but with a lot of wiggle room

my advice is to never use the stupid line, unbind it, rip the key off your keyboard or pad, whatever keeps you from using it, because it seriously breaks the game and gives a wrong impression about how linear it is, if you get lost, look at the map instead

>>169514830

>dirty tactics to make people buy the game
>misses its sell target

All the keks

Is there such a thing as a horror strategy game?
And I don't mean something like XCOM, but a real strategy game rather than a tactical one.

>>169515154
cataclysm

>>169515278
Catawhat?

>>169515154
Those two genres seem kinda at odds to me. Strategy requires being able to think ahead. Make plans, prepare for contingencies, be able to adapt to fight problems. Whereas horror is more about visceral unpredictable experiences you don't control.

>>169515830
That's why I'm curious. You can still have enemies coming out of the ground to surprise you (like the zergs in Starcraft), but it annoys you more than anything else, since it seems cheap.

>>169493051
Once you get bored of vanilla civ experience civ IV has the best mods.

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SPACE COMMIES BTFO!

>>169492328
Isn't that exactly what the Wraiths are? One of the fuckers wrecked my pet curator enclave once

>>169515398
Homeworld Cataclysm, the often forgotten second game in the series that despite not being made by Relic still ended up being an excellent entry and possibly the best game in the series.

The main antagonist was a sentient biomechanical virus called The Beast that you unleashed early on. It managed to be a legitimately scary opponent thanks to how it was handled during cutscenes and during the missions themselves, and the writing and voice acting both helped quite a bit.

>>169499280
>>169497890
>>169499656
Redpill me on dead space, I just played the first one and liked it.

>>169517134
Simply put :
>"The Ishimura doesn't respond!"
>"Isaac, get in there"
>"OKAY!"
>wow there are monsters'n'shit here
>and religious fuckwits who killed each others
>and it comes from a monolith called the Marker
>the monsters appeared when the marker was moved?
>what if I put it back to his place?
>wait, I need to do a few things first
>like fixing the air
>repairing the main engine
>restoring gravity
>getting sidetracked
>okay, finally ready to put the marker back in place
>oh shit, bitch was a tr8t0r all along!
>oh shit, removing the marker again woke up The Last Boss
>lube up, bitch, I'll kill you before the Big Boss kills-
>oh, nevermind
>kills big boss
>ride home in a sunset
>except not really

>>169517113
Cataclysm is pure GOAT.

>>169517134
And there there's Dead Space 2:
>has been locked in a space asylum for months
>my ex is still a bitch beyond the grave
>get my eyes poked in a daily basis
>suddenly come free me
>sweet freedo OH MY GOD YOUR FACE IS FALLING
>RUN FAT BOY RUN
>oh, there's that guy who tortured me
>hey, what's up
>he kills himself
>... okay
>progress through the station
>unitologist scum wants me because I have the plans to build a new marker in my head
>kill them all
>security wants me dead too, because...
>BECAUSE FUCK YOU
>do the only logical thing
>turn energy off
>listen to the fuccboi getting their anus tenderized
>lol
>now have to fight bigger, meaner monsters that assimilated security force
>I may have not completely thought this one through
>decides to go to the marker to stop it
>get my eyes poked
>kill things
>stab a dude in the face
>get stabbed by a burned guy who seemed meh but okay earlier in the story
>final boss is an hallucination
>after killing the final boss, I decide I'm Firefly
>I can fly, weeee
>"why couldn't you do that earlier?"
>SHUT UP
>weee I'm with my waifu and I'm happy!
>okay a space station was destroyed but the menace is gone for good

That was Dead Space 2.

>>169517134
read the thread

tl;dr 2 might be alright if you don't mind it being more action oriented and don't care about the story

stay way from 3 no matter what

>>169517683
>>"Isaac, get in there"
>>"OKAY!"
plot plot plot Plot Plot PLOT PLOT PLOT PLOT

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>>169520526
CONSPIRACY THEORY
CONSPIRACY THEORY
CONSPIRACY THEORY

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Can you turn your Dyson Sphere into a superweapon? Gamma-ray burst system sterilisation when?

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>>169517113

>IT'S COMING THROUGH THE HULL, HELP USSSSSS

>Utopia release date next week
Oh boy, I can't wait.
Even though I haven't played Stellaris since the release day, hope that now it will actually keep my dick erect after getting to the mid game.

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Will you?

>>169499098
At this point I can't morally justify to myself spending money on games after being in the free waters for so long.

>>169522283
I unironically liked that movie

Controlled Evolution, the Flesh Is Weak, or Mind Over Matter?

>>169497761
anyone?

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>tfw Gustavas is in your game
>click on him just to hear him say welcome and that music

>>169522631

1st playthrough: Mind over Matter (for ruining the galaxy potential)

2nd: FLESH IS WEAK (hopefully with waifus)

3rd: Controlled Evolution (for hoping that you can fuck with the genetics of primitive races to make them your meatshields)

>>169522631
Flesh is Weak is clearly the best choice.

Controlled evolution does not seem to have much to it beyond giving you a bunch more points to throw at semi-useless trats.

Mind Over Matter might be nice in concept, but I rather doubt they'll really go into the depths it needs (plus the War in Heaven already borrowed so much from B5, the last thing you need is tensions with your version of Psi Core and a possible Telepath War, even though it should be a possibility).

Flesh is Weak seems like something genuinely useful, while also giving you room enough to play it however you want, and an interesting endgame state.

I just hope they do some events to flesh out the road to get to the final stage, plus have some consequences of how the crisis you get plays out given your society.

>Pretoryn and Unbidden don't know what to do with most pops in the galaxy not actually being flesh/having evolved beyond the physical body bullshit
>AI's rebellion plays out completely differently if you are augs or everyone is in synth bodies/even the best synths can't replicate or deal with their hyper-evolved masters to infiltrate/can't fake a telepathic signal and their spies are obvious as fuck

>>169522631
Yeah, how fun the Mind over Matter going to be all depends on how fun the "not-chaos-gods" of the "not-warp" going to be. Or other eldrich beings for that matter.
If can't have daily intergalactic orgies for "not-Slaanesh" then I'd rather be a fucking robot.

>>169523775

What if the endgame of Controlled Evolution is to become the Zerg?

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>>169523775

>Geno horrors/eugenic elite mutants, synthetic transhumanism or unleash the horrors of the warp?

Simple.

>>169523775
>Crisis.

Yeah, these Crisis desperately need a buff even before the ascension perks come into play. Every single one of them seems related to one of the ascension paths.

>>169522087

Fuck Utopia. Banks is what matters.

>>169522631
FiW
the sooner we can get past the limitations of flesh the fucking better

what do the leaders fear in beyond earth? i keep getting downgrades in respect because i cant keep up with them(im new), so i maybe i can put fear into them?

>>169511970
just ditch corvets and destroyers so you have less ships but more fleet strength.

Anyone tried the game "Syrian warfare"?

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>>169524883
There should be plenty of ways to give them more bite, if Paradox just put some effort in (so it will never happen).

>the Pretoryn infestation of planets create enormous living bases, based on the size of the planet ranging from 50k to 3-500k pits of flesh that otherwise constantly churn out more and more fleets
>the Unbidden get stronger with the more ships destroyed/planets conquered, and eah species devoured in its entirety given them a massive bonus depending on the traits of that species
>AI turn your ships on one another and crash your space stations into your planets, make you have to rely on older junkyard technology in favour of the top of the line stuff until you develop countermeasures to their hacking - also more events and event chains centred on synths inspired by the BSG reboot

Plus make some fucking visual changes. Robots are fine, but make synths look like the people who made them, induce some (player-determined?) visual changes with genetic engineering, and once your whole damn species sheds the need for physical bodies and they ascend, the pops' looks should reflect that.

>>169527432

If they land, say, in the opposing side of the galaxy and the factions there are unable to stall them, you get rekted by the time you reach them.

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Getting close to midgame-ish(?)
wat do?

>>169527432
A prompt for deciding synth appearance would be nice
>the time has come to make our synths/robits standard
>we managed to narrow down three/4 possible paths
>a exclusively functional design with little inspiration from us (+4 industry research)
>a robit that is similar to us in shape and size but still easily identified as a robit
>almost copies of ourselves (+4 sociology research)
And an option to pick which alien species you'd like to make your robits similar to. Who knows, maybe you want to substitute your slaves for robits and want them to look the same?

>>169527885
I don't know, the one time that happened for me I was in the middle of the War in Heaven, leading the League of Unaligned Powers, between two Awakened Empires and the Pretoryn spawning practically just between them (the AEs were closer to the galactic core, the invaders of course arrived at the rim).

I was all hyped for massive, ridiculous battles once they consumed the outward worlds, fought both empires fighting each other, as well as me at war with both. It would have been fucking amazing.

It never fucking happened. The Pretoryn took over half a mid-sized empire's territory and infested them, good, but then all they proceeded to do was build a few bases and endlessly bombard the remaining worlds without ever taking over.
To boot, with a relatively smaller force, but specialised to fuck them up I easily took down their fleets at a massive numeric disadvantage. Didn't even get the queen event/cheevo, the thing never progressed that far.

Man, that playthrough was a disappointment.

>>169528929

The problem is that none of the crisis scale well with the galaxy size. In smaller sized-galaxies, they are murder. In bigger ones, they are a pixel in the great scale of things.

In my playthrough, it appeared during a War in Heaven too. In never conquered more than a couple of worlds before it stagnated and got exterminated. Not a single ship ever appeared near my space.

This is what Crisis should look like.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nFJBhDJNZo

>>169529402
No, THIS is what a Crisis should look like.

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>>169531705
Fucking hell.

I just picked up Stellaris because I was looking for a slower-paced 4x game that focused more on developing a 'story' than being a strict competition between every faction. Any tips for a first time playthrough that would help me learn the ropes quickly?

>>169533468
Missile and hyperlanes

>>169525356
you can't make a machine half as good as your body

enjoy your endless maintenance failures

>>169533468
No need for tips.
As long as as RNG doesn't fuck you in the ass too hard you should really have no problems.

>>169533698
But the body is a machine itself and it already has maintenance failures, not to mention the built-in obsolescence.

>>169534151
>tfw God only made bodies good for ~80 years so souls have to buy a new one

>>169534207
the max age given by the bible is 120 years, which can be reached. our current mortality rate is due to poor lifestyle

so how is civ VI? havent looked at it since pre-release when people were lambasting the art style, and the only things I heard on release were that you were better off with Civ V + dlc and mods

>>169534349
civ 5 is better desu, civ 6 doesn't add anything really...

>>169533698
Why not?

>>169534349
The latest update has made it playable.

Do any of the preset empires in Stellaris other than the Commonwealth of Man have their own unique event chains?

>>169534837
Not him but the lack of some senses (touch, smell, flavour) would mean that a machine life is shit. I'm sure that theoretically it's possible to make a machine that is capable of experiencing them, but if it doesn't it'd essentially be your current life minus jacking off, snacks/good food etc.

>>169535616
We already make machines that can feel pain, are sensitive to pressure, and have the ability to smell, so more complete/complex senses shouldn't be too far off.

>>169535969
>We already make machines that can feel pain
What? Why would we do such a thing? The poor robots.

Wiz has said he wants to put less effort into crises right now and make the midgame actually worth playing.

>>169535616
>Not him but the lack of some senses (touch, smell, flavour) would mean that a machine life is shit
The quality of VR is increasing at a faster rate than the quality of life.

>>169533468
You can figure out most stuff as you go. Some general bits of advice to save you time though:

1. don't trust the sector AI to use resource tiles correctly or build robots or enslave pops, the less responsibility you give the AI the better.

2. however many research labs you're building on your colonies is not enough, every new world you colonize increases research costs by a fuckload. Invest heavily into research labs and boosting research or you will fall behind and get outclassed by late game threats.

3. stations and buildings in sectors draw their energy upkeep from the sector's energy production/stockpile, not your empire's. Meaning if your sector doesn't produce enough energy within its own borders to power everything it will have a negative income that drains its stockpile over time, eventually causing stuff to shut down. Just keep that in mind.

4. it's better to build one really strong fleet than many weaker fleets. Even if you do have multiple weaker fleets you should maintain one very powerful fleet that is your main force. This is due to the way stellaris calculates combat. Let's say you have a scenario where one strong fleet fights two enemy fleets at the same time that are individually weaker than it, but together are stronger. So fleet A = 7k, and fleet's B and C together are 9k (4k and 5k respectively). In Stellaris, Fleet A wins that battles 100% of the time, somehow. It would actually probably be better to send the 5k fleet in first to weaken Fleet A, then send in the 4k fleet to mop up than to try fighting together. Somehow, combining multiple fleets does not make them any stronger.

>>169536156
For SCIENCE of course!

Seriously though it's basically so that robots can avoid self inflicted and external harm the way humans and other animals with complex nervous systems do. Adverse response to stimuli could potentially reduce maintenance costs in robotic equipment by allowing them to actively determine and avoid processes that would damage them.

>>169536367
If you mean graphics then sure, but so far (as far as I know, and I admit I'm not too versed in the subject) we have no idea to implement any of those 3 senses other than touch (to a certain degree, and certainly not to a degree that is comparable to sex for example)

>>169537052
Ah yea that makes sense.

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>>169460731
have the nerds of the internet fixed the turn speeds for civ 6 yet?

>>169497823
That is Civ4Col - Religion and Revolution mod.

>>169515154
Rebuild, the free flash game where you recolonize a city during/after the zombie apocalypse.

>>169534837
think for a second about the things the human body needs to be able to do, then look at the state of robotics, even theoretical sci-fi robots

>>169536208
does that involve AI? because that's the only thing that'll make the game worth playing period

>>169536208
The "mid game" is what happens when you run out of anomalies and events and the only thing left to do is interact with the god awful AI. The main reason this is a problem is because there is absolutely nothing for the player to do in peace time when there's no anomalies or events to complete. I end up waging wars out of boredom more than anything else, even if it makes no sense for my empire to suddenly become hostile. There's just nothing else to do. You can't interact meaningfully with the AI in any way outside warfare and managing your empire is dull as fuck because there's no trade and no private sector to contend with.

>>169539187
> The main reason this is a problem is because there is absolutely nothing for the player to do in peace time when there's no anomalies or events to complete.
And this is even worse than it sounds, because even when there ARE unscouted systems to explore and find anomalies in, all you as the player get to do is queue up "Survey system" commands and then just sit there and wait tediously. Again.

>>169539471
It's why I'm hoping they eventually expand on the faction system and manage to work in some private sector and trade stuff. Imagine having to contend with powerful corporate entities lobbying your government for more territory to exploit, or to open new trade lanes or get rid of pirates that are plundering their freight. And then imagine you could keep track of how wealthy and inlfuential each corporation is and try to keep them balanced and competitive with each other or else just let one dominate and turn it into a cyberpunk setting with an evil corporate hegemony ruling everything.

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Was Tomyris Slavic?

>>169539187
>managing your empire is dull as fuck because there's no trade and no private sector to contend with.

Here's hoping the 1.5 faction rework will provide some much-needed internal interactions.
Paradox managed to do this right in CK2, where internal power struggles command even more of your attention than external ones, and there's always more crown authority power to grab or powerful vassals to interfere with.
Not so much in EUIV, but there at least the number of external power projection and alt-history dickery options is so vast that you never get bored.
Stellaris managed to get the worst of all worlds: no internal power struggle, babby's external power struggle with a decade-long cooldown, and you can't even amuse yourself if you dk find a slow period by trying to Make Austrian Siberia Great Again.

>>169539847
>>169539471
One way Sins of a Solar Empire did it was have periodic pirate attacks. Over time the pirates would build up a fleet to attack one of the factions in the game, and players could place bounties on one another to attract the pirates attention. Similarly, whenever a player had a high bounty any other player could collect on it by destroying their ships and buildings. In expansions they eventually improved diplomacy and made it possible for factions to offer missions to one another, offering to pay a reward and boost relations in exchange for completing tasks like giving resources or attacking an enemy faction for them. Kept things from getting too dull at least.

>>169540404
sins pirates was the worst fucking bullshit, I usually just turned them off

"space pirates" in the middle of nowhere doesn't make any sense, where did they come from? pirates should be based out of your own or someone elses empire, not some magical base in space

>>169540404
Other than being space-based I'd hardly say that Sins was comparable. It's bately 4X, let along grand strat: SotS is pretty much Command & Conquer, IN SPAAAAAACE.
It's a great game, sure, and I sunk plenty of time into it, but you can hardly learn lessons for Stellaris from it.

>>169540541
Yeah like I said they were mainly a contrivance to keep the game from stagnating. Often in Sins I got into a situation where my empire was too evenly matched with the one I was fighting and just pointlessly chased their fleets around until they went back to a system they had fortified and I couldn't fight them evenly there or they sent another small fleet to harass my outer colonies. So the end result was just me patrolling my borders and them patrolling their borders and the only opportunity to break through was during a pirate attack.

>>169540694
sins was definitely a 4x, you are building an empire of planets and dealing with other empires diplomatically

>>169540032
Scythians were likely Iranic in origin, though due to the nature of the Steppe there was a ton of East Germanic and Mongoloid DNA mixed in there.

>>169540404
>>169540694
Well whether it's pirates or some other contrivance, the important thing is that you have some way to tip the balance against an enemy empire during peacetime.
Literally the only thing you can do in Stellaris is get some buddy to joint-DOW with you. And after playing CK2 and EUIV, with their complex webs of treaty-building and daughters-virginity-selling, the Stellaris version where you just go "Psst, guy, wanna kick this faggot's head in?" is really fucking shallow.

>>169541540
>east germanic
>before there were germanics
nice post /pol/dit

>>169541615
I'm hoping once paracocks gets around to implementing an espionage system (for the low cost of $15.99) you'll be able to encourage pirates and rebellious factions in your enemies empire. Hopefully they also introduce a more robust trade system ( for the bargain bin price of only $29.99) that will allow you do trade embargoes and shit as well.

>>169541540
>slavic
>starts talking about DNA
I'm talking about language.

>>169542071
You don't even need espionage. I mean, EUIV has it, but it's shit and nobody uses it. All you need is less-bullshit regular diplomacy.
For example, I think many problems would be solved if

A) They actually told you exa tly how much of a relations boost you'd actually get from giving the AI free shit, so you could actually PLAN your diplomatic manuevers rather than just throwing Garanthium Ore at them and hoping they like it enough to agree to a Pact

B) You didn't become a complete interplanetary pariah from performing a few purges. Purging badly adapted pops is one of the few things you can do during peacetime that will improve your long-term economic prospects, but when you try to do it just to stave off the tedium of the midgame, the AI empires are all like "Trying to do something to fill the time, eh? NOPE.jpg"

I mean, sure, espionage would also be nice, but we wouldn't be having this discussion if features that already exist were just fucking implemented and balanced correctly.

>>169541827
Germanic migrations into mainland Europe began around 1200 BC, the first evidence of Scythian peoples is from around 1000 BC, there was plenty of time for the two to interact and interbreed for the roughly 1500 years until both groups were displaced from central Europe, which is why Scythian genetics show DNA from Germanic origins.

>>169542727
Oh, well then she definitely spoke an Iranian language, IIRC there's a language in the far west of China or some where in Afghanistan that's a descendant of it.

>>169542848
I hate that every single empire knows I've genocided even when I haven't met them yet.

My most recent game was a pretty sparsely populated galaxy and I had purged two primitive bug worlds before meeting any other space empire. Once I meet them, they all hate me because they know what I did.

>>169542848
>You didn't become a complete interplanetary pariah from performing a few purges. Purging badly adapted pops is one of the few things you can do during peacetime that will improve your long-term economic prospects, but when you try to do it just to stave off the tedium of the midgame, the AI empires are all like "Trying to do something to fill the time, eh? NOPE.jpg"

Well you are committing genocide, it'd be weird if other government didn't find it abhorrent. That said I wish there were some government or personality types that liked it when you purged people.

>>169543395
I saw on the stellaris forums the other day an interesting idea for being able to set you countries information policy, that way when you purged pops it could remain secret with out it affecting diplomatic relations, of course there would be some system for discovering it.

>>169543876
>there would be some system for discovering it
>tfw you will never complete an event chain where you gradually discover alien gas chambers during the course of your war with an enemy empire
>tfw you will never expose them to the galaxy and make them pay for their xeno guilt for the next 80 years, in which they reject their starting traits for fanatic xenophobes and flood their own planets with alien rapefugees

>>169543876
>Well you are committing genocide, it'd be weird if other government didn't find it abhorrent.

It'd be wierd if democratic, muh-human-rights governments didn't find it abhorrent.
But why would the X'ggraxi Brood Queen (a brain bug who literally doesn't understand the notion of individual rights)?
Or the Carnifex Solar Hunting Pack (giant alien tiger-dogs who think that cannibalistic murder is a great spectator sport)?
Or the Floda-Reltih Spess Reich (a species plagued by genetic illness from their flare-prone star, who therefore consider REMOVE UNTERMËNSCH to be a moral obligation, not an atrocity)?
Or even just the Celestial Leaf Empire (a sentient version of those African plants who can only germinate seeds when you set them on fire, who therefore are quite happy to accept you literally burning a billion people to 'make way for the next generation' because to them that's basically a sexy planetwide orgy)?

For a game that's supposed to contain a rich panoply of crazy alien ethics and ideas, it really seems like the vast majority of Stellaris government forms have the exact same ethics as 2017 Swedes.

Hell, just read Ender's Game if you want a published sci-fi example. It has genuinely benevolent, altruistic hive minds who think that melting a billion Chinese into terraforming goo is the height of responsible behaviour, followed by the sequals where there's a species that thinks disemboweling people and planting a tree in their viscera confers immortality - because, for their species, it does.

>>169545224
Any of those empires would had found you repugnant either way, even if you didn't commit genocide.
Calling you out on those things is just their way of justifying their own crimes against you.

It's their own alien version of ">somehow I'M the bad guy"

>>169545224
the hive queen is mai bugfu

>there will never be a movie version of speaker for the dead

>>169545224
Like I said there should be governments and personality types that should like or at least uninterested in your purging, but it's understandable that many races would look at you committing mass murder on your citizens or the various xenos you've conquered/annexed/peacefully welcomed into your empire and assume that you'd be more than willing to do the same to their species if you let them hence the diplomatic malus. Also, let's be honest, most of the races your described there aren't actually supported mechanically, you can head cannon that stuff all you like, but at the end of the day you're limited by the games code.

Also, IIRC the Buggers were pretty disgusted with themselves when they found out that they had been killing individuals rather that drones, so it's not that they wouldn't be disgusted by genocide, they just didn't know any better, I figure with a peaceful contact, concepts of individuality would probably be one of the first things that gets hammered out.

>>169543876
>purge race they hate
>hey you're a pretty cool guy want a research agreement?

>>169545793
>Any of those empires would had found you repugnant either way, even if you didn't commit genocide.
I disagree entirely, pointing you to the example ("example") of the Federation-Klingon alliance, but either way it's irrelevant, because in Stellaris you can actually SEE which part of their negative opinion comes from "Eww you're a fucking disgusting pinkskin" and which part comes from "Omg purges ur literally Hitler".
If theose rad-blasted Spess Reich people hate you because you're a gross mammal then fine. They just shouldn't hate you MORE when you start doing something they would actually approve of, such as purging your maladapted pops.

>>169546370
>They just shouldn't hate you MORE when you start doing something they would actually approve of, such as purging your maladapted pops.
That's arguable. They could rationalize it as 'when they do it it's good because they see their actions as necessary and good, but when you do it you're just being a disgusting mammal reveling in self-destruction and violence'.

I do agree that Empires with different ethics should react differently to certain actions, though.

>>169546091
>Also, IIRC the Buggers were pretty disgusted with themselves when they found out that they had been killing individuals rather that drones

But think of it the other way around: if it was mankind watching the buggers, and they saw the hive queen marching a million of her own workers into the ovens after completing some public works project because they were now surplus to requirements.

In Stellaris as it is now, this would play out as "The Formic Hive has purged 15 pops on Bugtopia III. Opinion malus with everyone: -150"

And the Hive Queen's insisting 'I a good boy I dindu nuffin' even while the Federation Of Ethical Nations starts tachyon-lancing her planets.

It don't make no fuggin sense

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>>169540032
>>169541540
>>169542727
>>169543330

>>169546937
>In Stellaris as it is now, this would play out as "The Formic Hive has purged 15 pops on Bugtopia III. Opinion malus with everyone: -150"
>And the Hive Queen's insisting 'I a good boy I dindu nuffin' even while the Federation Of Ethical Nations starts tachyon-lancing her planets.
>It don't make no fuggin sense

Actually that makes perfect sense, the problem is that there's no way to inform other species that genocide is part of how your species functions so that they can be relatively okay with you purging tons of drones.

Like you said if humans watched the Formic Queen march a bunch drones into an oven, they'd be fucking horrified, but if the Queen was able to explain "No these are just mindless drones" the humans would just go "Oh they're like ants" and proceed not to give a shit.

It'd be nice if you would have to do a little more to convince other space countries that they shit you're doing that seems outrageous to them is normal for your, maybe through a special research project or something.

>>169547192
>That bit of Sarmatian in Latium

>>169547694
The cultural interactions between empires and different species wondering what in the ever loving fuck is with is up with each-other would be a fun feature.

Why isn't there a way to find out if another empire is committing genocide and various other shit other than setting the map to opinion mode and seeing how your empire views the other?

>>169546937
>>169547694
The thing is that all pops currently in Stellaris (save for robots, droids are supposed to be Individuals, not mindless drones like such a scenarios would suggest.

We'd have to wait until 1.5 and see if Hive minds work in a similar way to that.
Maybe we'd be able to do something like this with the new Civics and some modded in species Traits.

>>169547694
Yes but then we have to go through the whole rigmarole of "How sentient do they have to be, before it becomes wrong?"

Brainless hive ant <--> Fully-human-like-sentient is a continuum, not a binary distinction. There's a passage in Xenocide, I think, where Ender points this out and contemplates that he's going to have to have a long hard talk with the Hive Queen one day about the fact that she kind of IS a genocidal maniac because the drone buggers aren't quite the will-less appendages he originally thought them to be.

I guess my point is that I'm OK with humanity finding bug-on-bug genocide contemptible... I'm just not OK with hive bugs finding humanity-on-humanity genocide contemptible.

>>169548808
(not him) All of this is kind of moot though, since the original complaint wasn't that other species find it horrible that you purge pops, but that other species find it horrible you purged pops before they ever found you (ie. shit they can't know about). Paracucks will never properly implement any of the ethical questions being explored here, but at least they could fucking make it so that if you purge some pops while none of the other nations have found you then they won't be assmad at you because of it (though that will never happen either without mods, I've been playing paradox games since EU1 and it's always been like this).

>>169548747
>Maybe we'd be able to do something like this with the new Civics and some modded in species Traits.
That's what I was thinking, Ethos and Civics are supposed to be the malleable part of your species, a representation of your governments goals and the culture and belief of your people, but traits are supposed to hard wired in your DNA. It'd be great to be able to a trait called "cannibal" that would allow you to manually select individual pops of your own species to set as livestock or one called "expendables" that would make purging work like it currently does where you can purge single pops at will. Other empires would at first find this stuff deplorable, but if you do something to convince them this a natural part of your biology, by a research project or expenditure or influence or other resources, you could get rid of the diplomatic malus from those traits.

>>169549395
Currently there is a way to change diplo penalty from genocide based on government ethics.
There is also distinction between your own pops genocide and xeno genocide.
Its easy to change that collectivist and xenopobic empire don't give a shit about xeno genocide as far as you don't purge their pops but you take extra penalty if you do.
Wonder if there is possibility to add various opinions change based on traits
>purging charming xenos make everyone angry where repugnant - nobody care or even get happy with it
or governments.

>>169549395
>though that will never happen either without mods, I've been playing paradox games since EU1 and it's always been like this

They fixed in EUIV with infamy only applying to nations near the shit you're conquering, and in CK2 with diplomatic range.

>>169549943
> CK2
> fixed
Maybe if diplomatic range wasn't "Portugal -> Oman".
But at the moment diplo range doesn't make a fucking bit of difference to the Threat meme, because you were never going to be interacting with those people anyway.

>>169549756
>Galaxy cheers as you kill off all of the cute star fish
What a way to go.

Who is your civfu?

>>169486372
>>169508678
This game is like Dwarf Fortress, you don't just try it blindly, you have to follow a guide or something first. Just watch a lets play, quill18 and elysium are very informative.

Also most of the reasons that the game is bad to get into are because the dev is a sperglord that is very explicit about not giving a fuck about the community and making the game just for himself, like the DF dev, but even more selfish.

>>169543876
It'd be interesting if instead of stuff just automatically moving numbers up or down you actually got to, you know, diplomatically interact with shit. Like say you discover neighboring empire is conducting genocidal purges against a native population within their borders. You could get a set of responses to give to it. Like if your were an empire with strong ethics opposed to purging, you could publicly condemn their actions to the galactic community (which would make every faction you have contact with aware of their actions and potentially lead to intervention if people get pissed enough). And of course that action would make the pops on your planet who hate purges more supportive of your government.

But if your empire didn't give a shit about purges or what xenos do to each other you could just get a response like "That is their prerogative and none of our concern" and leave it at that. Any deeper politicking, like pretending to care about purges so you can exact embargos, requires too many features that don't exist in Stellaris.

>>169547192
Where's the aral sea?