/lite/ RogueLITE General

>>169362748
How do I unlock these Gungeon characters?

>>169362879
The Bullet
After you've beaten a past, randomly a Caped Bullet will show up. Don't kill him and he'll disappear on his own. Save 5 Caped Bullets and you'll unlock The Bullet
The Robot
Get the shortcut for the 2nd floor, and you'll find a Busted Television in the hole left by the elevator at the start of the floor. Bring it to the end of the game. It'll drop if you roll so pick it back up when you do.

>>169363240
Wait shit, quick correction: Bring the Television to the Black Smith, not end the game with it.

>>169363240
The robot is the guy with only armor right? And health pickups don't even give an armor piece? I think I'll pass on him.

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Reposting the best seed ever for my necrobros.

>>169363395
>he didn't exclusively play ??? back when BoI was the only game in town
every roguelite must have manly shit for when it feels inadequate compared to real rogues

>>169363404
thanks anon

>>169363631
I haven't played BoI since Cain was good.

Who should I use if I'm going for the 110 cost bullet piece?

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>trying to find screwdrivers to get gold weapons because i can't loop
>finally find one
>get to 3-1
>get fucked by an assassin just before i can reach the car

>>169364234
The Pilot

>>169364234
Pilot.

Also,
>TFW not been in the mood for Rogue-lites as of late, so just playing Metroidvanias instead

>>169364273
>>169364319
Oh god but his pistol is so terrible.

>>169364550
But his passives are made for gathering money and keys for those kinds of missions

>only have the default pistol
>ammo drops
>jew rat steals it the next room

is there really no drop check for this?

>>169363404
Monocle is my all time favorite head item in the game. Getting it early is basically a won run as long as you don't get hit.

I wish there was something like in in Isaac, but that would probably make runs stupidly OP.

Every time I launch Isaac now since the latest update it crashes on startup. Has anyone else been having this?

>>169364667
Ammo is a separate roll from other Item Drops.
Chests, Health, Keys, and Armor all share a single Drop table that scales with an invisible stat and decays with Curse.
1 point of Curse reduces these drops by 1% and ramps Ammo drops up. 1 point of invisible stat increases these drops by 1% and does nothing for Ammo. This invisible stat caps at 80% chance post-room (that's 80 points) and your Coolness Stat, 1 by default, decides how fast it increases, you gain 1% chance per 1 Coolness per room completed, irrelevant if you get hit or not.
That means if you have 80 Coolness, you'll hit the Drop cap at the end of every Room.

>>169364876
You mean like the mind and compass but you can see what's actually in rooms? It'd actually be nice but we can't have nice things in Isaac.

>>169365294
Oh and when an Item drops, that invisible stat reverts to 0. Again, Ammo is totally separate and is just a % roll every room based on Curse count.

>>169365071
i've had the issue for a while now, game crashes after intro, haven't found any solutions yet despite seeing a lot of similar complaints

>>169364876
Honestly the monocle won me that run. Having platemail, a titanium cutlass, and a ring of ice by the end of zone 1 should have been a guaranteed win. However I'm very drunk right now and I fucked up a lot.

It didn't matter though. There was so much ham in zones 3 and 4 and the monocle allowed me to track it all down. So I won easily despite being fucking hammered.

>>169365335
Not mapping, but something that lets you see inside chests and destroyable objects without interacting with them.

Bonus points if it permanently negates Curse of the Blind.

>>169365557

I can't even reach the intro, the screen just shows up and then it crashes

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>>169365706
It would be nice to see if bombing pots and skull would be a bad idea or n-
>permanently negates Curse of the Blind
Fucking fund it.

>>169365963
>>169365706
When are chest drops rolled? I guess it's on seed, probably?

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>last water barrel in the entire floor
>two of those giant sword guys spawn

it's cool, i didn't want to go to the oubliette anyways

>>169366191
I think they're seeded, but drops might change depending item unlocks or something like that.

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>keep forgetting blanks and my active item exist

Is there a mod to disable resourceful rat?

>The Incubus + Cursed Eye synergy is broken such that Incubus will quickly spams fully charged Cursed Eye shots.
Holy shit, an (unintentional) good new thing.

>>169368054
yeah it's called _______get good_______

>level up twice in NT
>Choose patience as the first mutation
>Choose throne butt as the second one
>It consumes patience and doesn't give me anything after
How disheartening.

Who here has never been to the abbey of gun?

It hurts

>>169369258
Thrice, and managed to beat the Old King twice.

>>169368591
He steals that when I go to the next room.

>>169369258
It's not as fun as it may seem.
The floor is piss easy, but the boss is on par with the hollow's bosses, specially given how unprepared you'll most likely be at that point

>>169368614
yes it does?

>>169370889
Does it unlock anything?

>>169371087
beating the boss unlocks the bloodied scarf and just entering the level gives you an achievement

>play as robot
>heart holster
>heart locket
>heart everything
>shrines that require red hearts to use
>moustache
>ring of chest vampirism
>never anything that benefits you just literally worthless shit

I just want a robot spice run but instead I get literally nothing.

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>Antibirth
>Get Red Key early on
>Ohboyherewego.jpg
>Get extremely powerful thanks to red key and Guppy
>Damocles +9lives feels good
>Loop eternally on the chest until
>Isaac-ng.exe has crashed

Also it turns out you can use Red Key to permanenly delet the Mega Stan boss room.

>>169384507
Yep. Mega Satan's Boss Door is unique in that it doesn't exist.

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In what has to be one of the most unlikely outcomes I could have imagined, I used the teleporter prototype at the start of bullet hell and wound up literally right next to the boss. This item has effectively eliminated the entirety of bullet hell in one active use. Really gets the noggin joggin

>>169385713
RNG is RNG.
Good luck.

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>>169385754

thanks, m8. Should be an easy one, I'm pretty OP this run. Other side of the map for reference.

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>Doing a Pong challenge funrun
>Tammy's Head, Multidimensional Baby & Duplex

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>Double Boss door room
Never seen this before, even in Void. Neat.

>>169388813
Those tend to spawn at dead ends for me.

>>169388813
Lucky

>>169371183
>>169370889
And because of that you'll likely be going there only enough times to kill the boss and get his item. Not a really well though place if you ask me.

>find on the first floor both cursed bullets and sixth chamber
>proceeds to find blood brooch, fightsabre and the black market
>curse up to ten and the lord of the jammed appears

So that was a fun ride, didn't know fun was allowed on the game. Still died at the end of the fifth chamber, tho. But it was worth it.

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I finally did it!

>>169397730
>not all-zones
who cares desu

I don't know why I keep taking pills in Isaac. They're just bad. Granted you can get some good ones I feel like they fuck up my runs more than anything and just aren't worth it.

>>169398412
Zone 4 was the only hard zone as monk anyway. I probably could have done it. I just wanted to get through it without as much crushing despair when I inevitably died in 4-3

>>169402963
I cheesed through Zone 4 by standing still a lot. No point keeping that multiplier up when I can't pick up the increased gold anyways.

Anyone know if the Shopkeeper familiar spawns for Monk, and can it pick up gold without counting towards Vow of Poverty?

>>169403202
I used a bow and shield spelled my way through the last floor and boss. The Shopkeeper familiar does spawn for Monk but I never picked it up because it seemed like a big waste of a shop trip

So does Afterbirth+ still disable achievements if you use mods?

>>169403701
Yes.

Antibirth update when?

>>169407659
When It's Ready©

Is there a problem with AB+ and Intel? I have the crash on startup bug and nothing I've done is fixing it

>>169403349
>The Shopkeeper familiar does spawn for Monk
It does not.

>>169410389
Maybe its because I have an older version of the game. I swear to god I saw it multiple times though

>>169410941
That's it, they made so it doesn't appear for him, just like dove doesn't appear for dove.

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>Try to throw dagger of phasing to pick off shovel goblin before he can dig the wall

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>>169362748
Nuclear Throne Together Modding Update is live
> https://yellowafterlife.itch.io/nuclear-throne-together

Mod Directory:
> https://bitbucket.org/YellowAfterlife/nuclearthronetogether/wiki/Mods/Mod%20list
Save mods in Nuclear Throne directory or appdata/local/nuclearthrone


A few mods made by myself (via last thread):
> http://pastebin.com/mxgjmqs2
Anthro Van. Save as race.gml
> http://pastebin.com/d3s7Ghr6
Bandit character. Has only the Bandit Blaster, but weapon mutations augment its bullets. Also has a Lil' Bash like Big Bandit's bash attack.
> http://pastebin.com/YiL7jMXa
Three gators on a fire salamander, known as Fire Riders. Mostly a silly mod, you play as the salamander while the gators shoot things at you. Cannot pick up weapons, but you do have a flamethrower and flame cannon attack.


> http://pastebin.com/CbY2hEBJ
Cursed Hyper Crystal. Makes HC teleport like a cursed crystal, but with a telegraph.
> http://pastebin.com/tPKuMiLJ
Hostile Rogue. Spawns an enemy-variant version of Rogue in 5-3. Doesn't suck like the Rogue Mook in Chaos Mod.


> http://pastebin.com/5vbZ5QqK
Cheat mod. Didn't make this one, but was posted in last thread (made by 9joao6). Allows you to use chat functions to cheat.

> http://pastebin.com/LFUJYHPL
Crown of Popo (CoP)/Gunfurunfu
Starts you out as Rogue with a double cursed Rogue Rifle where IDPD are constantly spawning. Comes with a beatboxing crown.
Presets:
/preset easy
/preset normal
/preset hard
/preset saniblues
/preset reallydad

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>>169412057
To load a mod:
> save modfiles into Nuclear Throne steam directory or appdata/local/nuclearthrone. Saving them as (.mod/.race/etc).gml based on the type of mod they are is important, as they act as identifiers for the mod type.
> However yal got tired of people asking how to load mods, so txts may work as of the most current update
> enter /loadmod <mod>.<type>.gml in chat to load the mod
> play the mod

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>>169411152
>throw it at the shovel goblin one beat too late
>wall's already broken
>Aria's dagger is now trapped behind five enemies making a beeline for your position
>including the mini-boss

I've lost count of how many times I've got to the Dragun with the blessed gun, only for it to throw knives and my gun to turn into the fucking klobbe or mega douser. The game trolling me during the final fight means I'm basically going to need an iron skin potion or something to survive that nonsense.

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FHÖ'FAASHYN Ä butt

>>169412057
>>169412624
I don't get it.
I saved the anthro van as "race.gml", but I have no idea how to input it into the command.
help

>>169414173
Am I the only one who thinks it's really cute when Rogue stutters out "F-Flashyn!"

>>169414742
>save as <modname>.race.gml. I personally have it as "minivan.race.gml"
>enter "/loadmod minivan.race", or alternatively /loadrace minivan since that specifically covers race files

>>169414852
Yes.

>>169414742
>>169414914
Also, you enter that into chat since I neglected to mention that part.

>>169414959
I wonder if Steroids helped teach her trashtalk.

>>169414914
>>169415057
>Compile error: vanthro.race.gml[4:31]: Unclosed string
pls i feel dum

Is there any way I could get a reference of a weapon? I want to port the Hydra from the Chaos Mod (Disk Gun with disks that double when they hit something) but I've got no clue where to start.

>>169415260
Worked for me. Did you edit the code somehow? Check line 4, position 31.

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Could any of you kind anons maybe upload steam NT game files to somewhere?
I know it's a shameful request but I really need them and I can't find anthing on the web

>>169415491
apparently i copied the entire pastebin, but when i pasted in just the code the error changed to [6:215] expected comma or closing, got ident

>>169415930
no

>>169416042
You're positive nothing was changed? I copypasted the pastebin over my race.gml file and it worked just fine in the latest update.

would Unexplored be welcome in this thread?

Or is it not "lite" enough?

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This run was going so horribly in the beginning.

>>169412858
>Throw it one beat too late
>Goblin dies next to the wall
>Monk's dagger is on top of a pile of gold

How the fuck do you play Bolt?
The beat makes no sense half the time and the digging/attacking animation fucks with my rhythm

>>169419580
It's just double time isn't it.

I know there's a mod that just makes the music twice as fast.

>>169419580
you just go twice as fast
that said, good fucking luck when you have king conga or a shrine of rhythm activated
remember that you can input the next thing you want to do before the last animation has finished

>>169420452
King Conga is actually only boss I can perfect as Bolt.

For some reason Coral Riff is my hardest boss for him, along with Deep Blues because trying to keep a steady beat against a swing rhythm feels like hell.

>>169421497
>him
xer*

>>169407659
Try wait late March

>>169421620
Actually I thought Bolt was a girl

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>Do the exit/continue thing on a victory lap
>They've patched out the no-longer-thinks-it's-a-victory-lap glitch
Uh oh
Are they allowing you to unlock things on VLs now, or is this a Dark Bum-tier nerf?

>>169426173
Answered my own question, just got Eucharist by becoming OP during a Maggie run that went through Lamb and ended by obliterating Delirium in under a minute.

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>install the omega weapons mod in NTT
>load it
>nothing happens
What gives? Are the "omega weapons" just rare, or did I fuck something up somehow?

>>169430896
Go to the throne vault.
Trust me.

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I FUCKING HATE THESE THINGS MORE THAN ANYTHING

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>>169431529
I only think they're kind of annoying because of how long the flame particles stick around.

Fuck these things though. Fuck all of area 5 too.

>>169431529
Just melee them you dummy
Fururhelth

>>169431637
>>169431706
They put like 4 of them off screen on the Big Dog fight and it's fucking retarded because their flames have retarded reach and you can't go down and get them because of the boss spamming bullets

>>169432201
Oh you big dog can get some really bad spawns. 7+ snipers is horse shit

Plow through everything before it wakes up and make a safe spot. There are undeniably bad setups, but those are a result of not being proactive in the pre-loop

>>169431213
Oh, so that's how it works.

Sometimes I get multiple chances to do the Daily run on Nuclear Throne. What causes that

>>169432671
Every area outside the regular route has one.

>>169433159
The timer resets every day at 7pm CST

Anyone else get this feeling that you start to suck at the game if you play too much? Or that you can't power through an early run when the game keeps giving you shit itens? Like there is only a sweet spot in-between to play the game successfully.

>>169434302
If you're tilting you should take a break.

Best android rlite?

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Damn, can't believe Metronome saved me
>inb4 Eve with many red hearts
No Devil deals to get rid of them, only red chests

>>169432630
Yea but sometimes you spawn in a big open circle with no way to do anything.

Wow, Bullet is easy mode. Blasphemy makes even the toughest bosses simple.

>>169438695

Yuuuup. That's why so many recommend him for challenge mode.

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>NTT Omega Weapons mod
>Eraser splinter gun
>Everything dies in 1 shot, maybe 2 if they're lucky
so this... is the power... of delet...
woah...

Antibirth or Afterbirth+?

I heart A+ had a spotty launch.

>>169442402
ab+ had a dog shit launch and they've only marginally polished the turd

>>169436385
Sounds like your average devil deal to me.

>>169442402
Antibirth is free

>finally construct the bullet that can kill the past
>die at the past

t-thanks for the achievement...

Marathon: 6/30
Dedication: 2/5

I'm probably getting the names mixed up. In hindsight, maybe I should've tried to fight Hush at the end instead of going for the win.

>have been trying to get the 110 cost bullet component to the blacksmith for 10 runs now

having to fight the first boss and most of the oubliette with just the pistol is breaking my balls

>>169446018
It costs less to buy it with the Pilot, if you can manage the hot garbage that is his starting weapon. Also, you don't necessarily need to go to the Oubliette to collect 110 shells, usually the first two chambers have enough if you don't buy anything.

>>169364319
Metroidvanias are the best genre. It's a shame they rely so much on a solidly built world so they can't be procedurally generated.

>>169447947
Doing 2 floors and getting like 105 shells is more heartbreaking than dying in the Oubliette desu senpai

so it's been a couple months
any recommended Afterbirth+ mods on the workshop worth downloading?

Ammoconda has ended more of my runs than any boss from lower floors.

>>169442402
Antibirth if you want good content
Afterbirth+ if you want potentially infinite decent mods

>>169452965
>Antibirth
>good content
>even less synergies than the vanilla game

>>169454518
Synergies aren't everything.
Besides, that's mostly because of it being based on Rebirth.

>>169448204
Technically, you can get away with procedural generation if you theory it out well.
>Build a program to generate Dungeons from a large array of prebuilt parts
>Each Dungeon is linked up at myriad points
>Also create a system to test each randomly generated seed to ensure every result is "possible" given a set jump height limit and that given infinite time, the game can be beaten, even if not everything can be unlocked in a single run (the whole point of procedural generation is multiple runs anyway)

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What would be the best place to put up some Mimic Mutant sprites up for free modding use?
I don't know programming, but I'd be willing to let anyone use these sprites for making an actual mod out of them.
For now, this is just a Robot skin, that's over Chicken in this screenshot so a weapon doesn't get in the way.

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Bump

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>>169458085
Also, if anyone's wondering, this was my Weapon Chest reference.

>>169458085
Dropbox, maybe? Then you could just link it in these threads (or hope someone puts it up in the OP) or something.
I dunno.

>>169458263
Sorry, I meant Mega, not dropbox.
Had a bit of a brain fart there, although dropbox could also work maybe?

>>169458263
I was hoping for a place with more permanence, that way the link wouldn't disappear, and maybe I could get some credit, even if permission to use them isn't necessary.
Would the NTModding Sub Reddit be a good idea?

>>169458673
Cancerous, but it works, I suppose.

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Guess how I died.

>>169459898
Also it's not super visible but I had lightning hammer.

>>169459898
>>169459952
>Not super visible
>Is very clearly on your back
I'm gonna say vanned.

>>169460004
Oh my bad I wasn't even looking at that, I was just looking in equip.

Also no. Big dog dropped a weapon and I picked it up for a second to see what it did. When I fired it, it knocked me back into the portal and I lost the incinerator.

I didn't even get to kill hyper crystal.

>>169460161
Ah I see.
I couldn't have predicted such a foolish turn of events.

>>169460338
I was too happy about the loadout and how I did to be properly angry but I was still fairly upset.

ded

>>169464939
I wouldn't be if I could get some fucking damage up.

What's the preferred Ultra for plant? I thought killer would be the best in most situations, but is there some use for trapper?

that wall boss in gungeon fucks me up hard. i basically use the camera position to know where my character is, but in that fight you have a fixed one.

What's the point of going to the Oubliette? Worth 2 keys?

>>169468097
Not at all worth it unless you're swimming in keys.

>>169468393
>What's the point of going to the Oubliette?
Extra money, extra boss items, free armor (relic), extra chest spawns that are probably better than whatever was on floor 1, extra shop, extra special shop chances, extra pick ups from room clearing / boss kill and then access to another secret floor with more of all the shit listed above.

>Worth the 2 keys?
if you're consistently good at clearing through the floors, Oubliette is more than worth the two keys you pay to get in. Think about it, what do you typically use keys for? Chests. Specfically, the two that spawn on each floor. Now how often is it that you get anything better than a blue chest on floor 1? It's a pretty uncommon occurrence for me and I would bet most people have the same experience. The opportunity cost of going the oubliette is actually extremely low when you think about it. Most of the time, the chests on floor 1 simply aren't worth taking (which is one reason why I believe pilot is honestly one of the best characters), so it's pretty easy to make it into oubliette by having at least two keys at the end of the floor. Other times, you might be facing a scenario where one of your chests is really good and the other one isn't. Even in these scenarios, all you need is one key drop from a room clear or a boss drop or an extra key spawn in the shop and you can have your cake and eat it too. Sometimes you do have to pick, and that sucks, but I still stand by it as basically the right choice for any run to go oubliette -> floor 2 -> temple, so much so that I'll give up a A/S tier floor 1 chest if there's no other way to get into oubliette (best believe I'd check high and low for a secret room with a key first though). The reason I'm okay with doing that is that because I know for a fact that as long as I play well, the extra floors are more than worth it. Even if you got no items at all on floor one, it'd still be worth it.

Challenge mode is fucking me, even if I do really good I always get bullshitted by harder dragun + high stress. I'm glad they tweaked it to be easier making certian things slightly less bullshit and giving the level 4 bosses each their own thing like dragun instead of 3 random things that would destroy you but I still can't beat it. I have also been getting shit luck with brown chest after brown chest.

>>169471707

Just keep at it, man. Challenge mode is one of those things that does require some good luck. The run I ended winning challenge mode with popped off from a floor 1 riddle of lead. Actives that help negate damage are a god send, make sure you're playing as The Bullet, and definitely try to clutch out the first two floors (Floor 1 + Oubliette) with as little damage as possible while it's still easy.

>>169471869
thanks, I usually go as the bullet, though I never go to the oubliette since that could set me up for punishment, might try it though if I get 2 brown chests in a row.

>>169471960

Oubliette is pretty worth it for challenge mode. It's really not that much harder than doing floor 1, especially if you're playing The Bullet. I would say it might be wise to ignore Abbey though...I had the chance to go to Abbey on my challenge mode run, politely declined

>>169472124
aight, I just had a really lucky run and beat it. crown of guns + remote bullets + angry bullets killed everything.

>>169362748
Just downloaded Nuclear Throne and I CANT STOP DYING. I haven't gotten past that boss that shoots a ring of blue bullets when they jump around. Any tips?

>>169458085
Just post all of them here and I'll work with them later.

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>it's an "elite shielder reflects your super plasma cannon" episode

>>169476313
The jackhammer decimates him, and melee in general is very good against it.

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>Lillith daily
>Keep skipping treasure rooms because finding boss first and S P E E D
>Get devil deals
>Brimstone + Lump of Coal
>Lets me S P E E D even more

>>169476313
Some general tips:
- Always pick Scarier Face when it's available. It's the best general mutation in the game and useful at all times with any setup.
- Crossbow is a great weapon that can easily carry you through the first 4 levels. If you have Scarier Face and then either Homing Bolts or Trigger Fingers (or both) on top of that, it'll carry you even further. Regardless you should look into switching it into any of the splinter weapons or auto crossbow sooner rather than later if you're going with bolt weapons.
- Stay away from explosion weapons unless you pick Boiling Veins.
- Sharp Teeth is generally pretty bad.
- Hammerhead is surprisingly useful in the later levels (mostly 5-3, 7-1 and 7-2) because you can usually negate a shit spawn by carving into a wall.
- When you get to 5-3, clear up the spawn as fast as possible so you'll have space to fight Lil Hunter in. Ducking in cover is recommended. He also doesn't have all that much HP, so the faster you can deal damage to him the better.

>>169487854
>mentioning sharp teeth but not lucky shot, eagle eyes or euphoria
>hammerhead anything but a crutch
wew lad

>>169490759
>euphoria
>bad

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>moving on to unlocking apollyon's stuff
>gonna do a victory lap to get as much stuff as possible
>find brimstone early on
>get cancer
>get mom's box
>get monstro's lung
>get tech x in blue womb

i'm surprised steakfuck hasn't nerfed cancer

>>169491052
useless unless you're eyes
same with sharp teeth unless you're horror

>>169492326
I thought it was good on melting
Dammit, I'm a scrub

>>169476313
Yea that boss is probably the hardest thing in the game pre-loop (and harder than a lot of things post too).

I find a good way to deal with lil hunter is to have an area clear of enemies (obvious yes I know but sometimes spawns will be shit). I think open and closed areas are both mostly ok, but the main way I deal with him is auto shotties (or bullet weapons with shotgun-like effects). Being in an enclosed space of course helps with this because of shotgun shoulders but if you have auto slugger or something than it's also decent.

If you have an ok melee and long arms and you're not in the middle of fifty things reflecting his shots works nicely too.

>>169490759
Eagle Eyes I consider situationally useful (as it makes some weapons nicer to use) and Euphoria is at least a nice to have if you have nothing else useful to pick. Lucky Shot is definitely one of those thoroughly meh picks though.

And I agree that Hammerhead isn't all that great when you get better, but it can be a very helpful crutch against bullshits spawns on 3, 5, and 7, and for a new player it can be useful for getting a better hang on fighting Lil Hunter instead of dying really fast.

>>169501062
Eagle Eyes is only good as Steroids, on other characters it outright breaks some of the most fun weapons (like the shovel).
As for hammerhead, yeah. For new players it's a must, but once you git gud you won't ever need it.

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been trying to go for a melee/mage hybrid in Dredmor with dual wielding staves and egyptian magic

working pretty good so far, that sandstorm is real nice

>>169503662
You may have better luck here >>>169421613

Any way to make BoI a shitton brighter than the normal? Curse of darkness in the daily is destroying a good run

>>169504605
Crank up that gamma.

>>169504605
There's a couple of visual settings in the options, but besides that you should be able to see enough if your monitor's on a sensible setting.
Also, it is kind of supposed to be like that you know

Blessed and challenge modes can eat a dick.

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>>169504104
their autism is too strong for dredmor, it has graphics that means it can't be a roguelike

>>169506280
what're you using for mana, just a giant stack of booze?

>>169491442
Careful anon, that looks dangerously close to fun.

>>169506048
I have problems with blessed gun runs too. Getting to Dragun is easy enough, but the random guns normally mean piss poor DPS against it, and the moment it throws the knives you're almost assured to get a shite weapon that can't do anything about them, then Dragun does one of his annoying attacks that affects large areas at the same time. You basically need lead skin/star plush or double vision or you're fucked.

>>169491442
Does mom's box affect that combo in any way?

>>169506730
I have ley walker and blood mage for mana regen, thaumaturgic tap is really nice. 2 mana per turn (on top of regen, blood mana, and booze) for 12 turns with a 30 turn cooldown.

>>169506280

>Their autism is too strong for dredmor
>Listed in the OP Pastebin under "What to Play?"

There's no WAY people are THAT autistic, cmon, anon.

>>169508162
I remember trying to talk about it when one of the expansions came out and they all started shitposting about me being a fucking casual.

>>169507330

Mom's box + Cancer is really OP.

>>169508303

Well, I guess that makes sense considering the note in the OP about it.

>Widely despised for its lack of diagonal movement and monster depth, hilarious skill tree balance and overall terrible sense of humor. Contains copious amounts of cheese.

>>169508319
what does mom's box do again?

>>169508623

Grants a trinket on use, and doubles trinket effects while held. So with cancer, it becomes a -4 tear D E L A Y. You can pretty close to soy milk fire rate with that.

>>169508623
Gives you a trinket on use and also passively doubles the power of held trinkets (when applicable). As of latest patch this also applies to Gulped/Smelted trinkets when Mom's Box is held.

So Cancer, which is -2 tear delay, becomes a -4 tear delay when holding Mom's Box. If you're at the normal soft cap (5 tear delay), you'll literally get soy milk fire rate (1 tear delay).

>>169508319
What about Mom's Box + Cancer + Horn?

>>169507318
I hear you. I actually got to the final section of the dragun fight earlier, but the game decided I wasn't trolled hard enough so it gave me a ton of consecutive diagnal leaps in the bullet wall when I had one health left. This shit is harder than winning as Robot, and at least challenge mode lets you keep any decent weapons you find.

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Piranha Plant!

>>169514721
I wish the other secret areas actually did something.

I don't think cursed caves actually does anything, nor jungle. There's no reason at all to go to them after you get crystal b and chicken

>>169371183
Can you use the bloodied scarf to teleport through locked doors?

>>169516298
Cursed Caves give you a fuckload of experience at least.
Jungle... I don't know why it exists either. I think they wanted to give Plant his origin area but didn't know how to put it into the game so they just made the Last Wish thing. Pretty stupid.

rogue and rebel don't seem that great

rogue's right click seems more like a downside honestly, you lose out on a lot of rads for an ok but very limited weapon

her passive is more likely to kill you than it is to help

rebel's passive of healing is pretty ok but it doesn't really ever seem to be a good idea to purposefully hurt yourself a lot unless you've got some weird thing going on with teeth

>>169520247
also while it's good I don't think it's THAT good and if you're at 7/8 i definitely think it should give you the last health

>play nothing but Gungeon for a month
>play some classic Doom today because why not?
>imps throw fireballs at me
>instinctively right click to dodgeroll over them
>get hit by all of them
So it's going to be like that, huh?

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>greed machine broke again at 2 cents
Alright, fuck it. Time to wait for a Gungeon sale or something.

>>169521196
going from having iframes to not having iframes is basically the greatest suffering ever inflicted

>>169520247
rogue is objectively shit
as for rebel, pre-loop spawn motherfuckers one by one after the portal opens. you'll get a shitton of rads and some ammo, next stage you'll spawn with half your health. post-loop spam motherfuckers

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y'know that feel when you really want junkan but the game just won't give it to you

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The one single thing that would make Ultra Greedier not a shit boss is by making his tear coins not explode.
Every other attack has at least a roughly safe space, whereas the tears are just 'hope he misses which he won't because they're fucking aimed at you, and by the way they'll explode if you go between them so have fun'.

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>Ring of triggers
>Dueling laser
>Homing bullets
>Bouncy bullets

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>>169525434
HOPEFULLY THIS EXPLAINS WHY I SAID THAT
JESUS

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>First two items are remote controlled bullets and scattershot

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>>169520247
>rogue's right click seems more like a downside honestly, you lose out on a lot of rads for an ok but very limited weapon
You lose out on 25 rads each level. That's a drop in the bucket and realistically just means you reach Ultra one subarea later than the other characters.

And it is limited, but it's fantastic. It takes some getting used to, but I can respect that it's not for everyone.

>her passive is more likely to kill you than it is to help
Blast Armor? How? The common arguments I hear are "muh cars" and "muh cover." The former is a problem of the player standing near an exploding prop without a second thought, and the latter is a problem of having motherfuckers behind your cover. Why is it that there are motherfuckers behind your cover instead of corpses? Shameful.
Great character when you get a handle on her. Problem is, there's a learning curve since she plays in a drastically different way than all the others.

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In gungeon should I always go to the Oubliette?

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>>169525582
He was jammed too

>>169527670
ring of triggers doesn't seem that hot to me imo
my personal fave is any one-shot weapon + holster
bonus points if you find alpha or omega bullets too

that magic sniper rifle + alpha bullets is fucking great

>>169526803
Obliette's always worth it if you're good because you get extra shit.
If you aren't good, Obliette's still worth it because it'll help you get good.
Obviously if you're specifically trying for something like a shortcut or whatever and need the keys maybe don't bother.

>>169526803
>>169528649
I really wish the oubliette didn't have a 2 key requirement on entering in addition to needing a weapon capable of putting out the fireplace

>>169530027
>in addition to needing a weapon capable of putting out the fireplace
kick the water barrel into the fireplace, stupid

>>169530246
n-no

so apparently if you have duality and get teleported to the devil room via chest, you dont get to choose after the boss fight.

>>169508792

If you have Mom's Box+Cancer and Brimstone, you fire pretty quickly. Something like -15 Tear Delay.

Today's challenge is a miracle that I didn't fuck myself over.

>get Crooked Penny
>use it once, get shafted out of Box of Friends
>use it at Boss Rush and miss out on getting Guppy's Paw
>beat Hush and Mega Satan somehow

Dedication: 3/5
Marathon: 6/30

Two more wins to go and another three weeks of playing to get the achievements!

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>>169520247
Rebel + Throne Butt + Rhino Skin + Rabbit Paw = This

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Finally did it, guys. My first past kill. [spoilers]I legit teared up a little from happiness[/spoilers]

I don't think I actually enjoy playing Roguelites, I only like winning them.

>>169532879
You saved black Doom Marine.

>>169533445
I think one of the reasons I like necrodancer so much, at least as candence, is that deaths always feel like my fault. That's less the case with monk, gold deaths are the fucking worst and feel awful even if they are in fact my fault, but generally necrodancer is just straight up enjoyable to play

What's the deal with egg's obsession with bookworm?

What's the best way to make a cursed run?
Do you jack it to the statue at the beginning and never take cursed items?
Do you take the cursed items after jerking it to the statue?
Do you slowly get curses every chance you get?

>first time getting to the lich
>have stinger missiles, scattershot and potion of gun friendship
>die on 2nd form
would've won if I hadn't used most my ammo going through the entire map looking for a shop that doesnt exist

So if I shoot one bullet of my gun and do a perfect reload with Cog of War, is my whole clip upgraded?

>>169535098
Can someone with no rhythm beat Necrodancer? Is there an "easy" character?

>>169535752
Yeah, bard's the dedicated no rhythm character. You move freely, enemies act whenever you do. Beyond that, he plays like cadence which means no restrictions.

>>169535752
Yeah, the bard can do whatever he wants when he wants and enemies move after him.

>guon stones float so far away from your character that they barely block bullets even with 3 of them

developers should have just copied isaac's black flies tbthbthbthbh

>>169535307

It's occasional 20/20 without having 20/20. Beyond that, I have no idea. Wonder how much luck you would need to replicate 20/20.

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Wow, a secret room finder! Thanks Dodge Roll!

>>169535585
Yes. Just like the Rad Gun.

>>169537105
Always thought the same thing. Who the hell thought that distance was appropriate for a defensive item? They barely block anything, not to mention they all brake when you take a single hit. Waste of item most of the time.

>they give me the heart of ice every single run

The game devs know me too well

>>169538929
i think they did it because of the average bullet's huge hitbox? but they still need to be a bit closer.

How do I get gud at Necrodancer? I haven't played this game in a while and I forget what everything does.

>>169535307
Egg gets obsessed with new things in the game until he realizes it's an active hindrance on his play.
Same thing happened with Boss Rush and Spun.
It'll pass, Bookworm is nowhere near good enough to be brought up every run like Spun is(not that it really should be).

>>169539668
Learning to stay on the beat, keep a groove chain going, and memorizing each enemy's pattern is a start.

Then learn which shrines and shopkeepers are worth bombing.

>get cog of war
cool

>get a reload item
>can never do the special reload again

o-oh...

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>Playing sunless sea some more after hearing about sunless sky, having a good time getting back into it.
>have a good run going, finally get the zub transformation and immediately die to underwater terrors.
>Pick the option to keep the map because I like the position on the salt lions, isle of cats, etc.
>New run begins, manage to upgrade the base ship to the corvette after having lost it a few runs back to being savaged by tropical birds.
>Realize that I'm not getting secrets
>MFW by choosing to keep the old map I fucked myself out of discovering stuff, which in turn fucks me out of secrets, which in turn means I can't upgrade my base stats in the way progression in a run is supposed to allow

On a scale of 0 to 100 how fucked am I
How do I earn more secrets because I am not giving up this fucking ship.

>>169542290
one day I hope I get cog of war and the rad gun at the same time

>big boss looking bullet always the one to kill me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CbFAZ2ztlE

Anyone seem these little small, gray bullet kin-like enemies that don't do anything and you can't interact with? I thought they were the ones I needed to find to unlock The Bullet, but the wiki is telling me that they are red caped. (sorry, didn't thought to take a screenshot)

>>169479961
Alright, here you go. There's no Portrait though.
https://mega.nz/#!fcIXhK6T!XJfL5Yg3GkJGRGrQVO-uKbnssB3YAIUhSwNujB1pyx8
You can load the text file to use him as a Robot skin.

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>>169544678
Just doing his job.

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>be shopkeeper
>trapped forever in the gungeon
>my ONLY CUSTOMER unlocks my shop with one of his keys
>i don't even give him a discount

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>when you get hit and still use your blank

does the 5th floor really need those invincible hammers in a room full of enemies?

>>169551618
You need to get gud on this game to have fun, anon. That's just how things are.

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just got to Old King for the first time
>mfw

>>169522504
>>169532716
I'm still not really into her but I did loop and then loop on my next run too.

I was surprised to learn that health packs can drop from allies.

Second stomach+haste makes health packs heal a lot.

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You vs the guy she tells you not to worry about.

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I made this a while ago. I don't remember if this was wrt to the characters or in general. Probably the former.

>>169559597
i like robot though

>>169491442
>i'm surprised steakfuck hasn't nerfed cancer
Shhhh don't give him ideas

>grenade charm automatically launches a bomb in the direction you're facing
>explodes the beat right after

Can't I at least get one beat to decide which direction I want to throw it? I just died a really stupid death because I used it while I was facing a wall.

>>169560163
I want to see the community backlash in the alternate world where he did that.

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>>169559597
I prefer Super Portal Strike over Super Blast Armor. I've gotten used to managing my strikes, and I actually feel the "blast armor destroys your cover" complaints when the blast covers the same area as a nuke.

>>169546204
grey ones that run away drop a key when killed, they drop 2 keys when killed if jammed. And yeah don't kill the ones with red capes.

>>169563167
>Not having a final tier that is just original flash Isaac without WoTL

>>169543972
pre-zubmariner, you had to get rich and then start abusing an enigma trade route since nothing is repeatable
post-zubmariner, i dunno
also, assuming they haven't changed blue scintillack, you could just go hunting
if you don't have it, though, hunting used to be grossly inefficient in terms of payout compared to cost. don't know if it still is

>Try to launch spidermod
>Told my computer doesn't have flash
????????

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>Onan's Streak challenge
>First item is toxic shock, second is dead eye
>9/10 rooms are obliterated by the initial DOT ticks from the damage-boosted toxic shock
That was a pretty pleasant break from keeper-related suffering.

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Sometimes I hate this game, other times stuff like this happens.

>>169559597
this is so wrong in so many ways
i bet you only play as le triangle man

>>169559597
Into the trash it goes.

>>169559597
>riot is B tier
>Juggernaut not even on the list
>Y.V. is S tier
Trash list

Challenge #34 in Binding of Isaac can fuck right off.

I can deal with everything, but the curse of the Maze is starting to get on my tits.

Is there any way to play NTT without the steam version?

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>>169596441

It's a bit of a stretch, but could anyone help me with some tech issues related to NT? Been posting on the official forum for a few days to no success.
The executable runs, but the game never opens; no dialog boxes or anything of the sort. It shows up on my task manager for a second and then disappears again.
I'm running win10 on a rig almost comically-overpowered for this game, GTX970, i7 processor, 16gb ram. I've tried removing the steam.api file, uninstalling and reinstalling, verifying game integrity, running in win7/8 compatibility mode with and without steam.api, all to no success. Has anyone had similar experiences?

>>169593925
if you can reset for pyromaniac, you've pretty much won the game right there, especially since mega satan has so many explosive attacks (the rock shockwaves are classified as explosions for pyromania)

>>169593925
Just keep trying, also for health resources like Satanic Bible or Book of Revelations

>tfw you get a royal chest and it's a fucking ammolet
these things should be B tier at most, not fucking A tier

>>169565642
I'm obviously not talking about the Keybullet Kin. The ones I found were very little, only appeared after I cleaned the room (once after a boss fight, even) and kept making a pompous grin and closing his eyes when I got near. They also don't walk, just keep turning from side to another on the same spot.

>>169606627
they are b tier

>>169606627
agreed, they should also not make it so heart containers can't be in A chests and heart of ice not in S chests. I know it doesn't change magnificence or anything but it's still really annoying.

>>169606945
I think you mean the guys that appear with the brick of cash that point towards secret rooms.
Did you have brick of cash?

>>169606945
are you talking about the brick that appears when you get the brick of cash? If so those appear right next to where a secret room entrance is.

>>169607013
the chaos ammolet is the exception as it's a A-tier item. Honestly though since those things are situational and since you usually save blanks for secret rooms or bosses they should be C-tier. I mean they're amazing with elder blank and owl but those aren't exactly things you'll get every run.

>>169607598
One day I hope I get a run where I have ammolets, owl, and ser junkan

still waiting for a cool alpha+omega bullets run though

>>169607939
I had a run with owl and elder blank with several ammolets, it's pretty fun. Every few seconds the owl blanks and they enemies would take a lot of damage, get knocked back and get set on fire.

>>169608463
calm down anon, it's not even at page 9 or 10

>>169607598

It's important to remember that all the ammolets also increase the blanks you get per floor and stack with each other + white guon stone. They also trigger their effects from table tech blanks and armor (meaning there's potential for armor + synergy with the things like the gun knight armor and nanomachines). Also it has some particularly strong synergy with the blank companion's ring as well, since under the right circumstances, that item can function like a better elder blank.

>>169608607
I guess thats true, just that normally the only thing that comes in handy is the extra blank since usually when I get one they don't give me anything that synergizes.

>>169607140
>>169607303
Well, I think that's possible... but I only saw some ghost-like being from inside the wall poiting to it when I had the brick of cash, so I guess there's also this other type of showing the secret room? Makes sense now that I think about it, actually.

Alright /lite/ whats the most broken run you've had in any rogue-lite ever?

>>169608963
Artifact of Control RoRrun before barbed wire was nerfed

>>169608963
pre nerf void diplopia.

>>169608963
hexagun + ancient hero's bandana + muscle relaxant and some filler weapons
Got me the lead god achievement and through bullet hell without a scratch, it was ridiculous how it pretty much killed each kill pillar in 3 hits.

>>169611765
I miss hexagun + muscle relaxant before the nerf. You could literally kill everything in one hit.

>>169612214
remote control bullets are basically muscle relaxant on drugs (hurr)

>>169613253
muscle relaxant + hexagun was good because it had a special synergy that gave it 450% of it's normal damage, they nerfed it to 50%

>>169613415
lmao jesus

>>169608963
Yari Launcher + fat bullets + eyepatch + silver bullets + cog of battle + reloaded.

Got me all 5 master rounds and flawlessed my first Lich kill. I had always died to the 2nd phase, but it brought him down in seconds.

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>master of unlocking as first item
>10 keys by floor two

>>169613819
Time to unlock those shortcuts, son.

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>look at AB+ mods folder because it crashes on start
>not really helping anything but I might as well look at it, might help in making my own mod if I ever feel like doing it
>open folder for half black heart mod
>folder inside named 'screenshots etc'
>mfw its dumb shit

I killed big bandit so fast i broke the game.

I had sledgehammer and I guess I hit him when he was spawning because he got hit multiple times and his music never stopped playing.

Other music started playing, but just on top of his. It was weird going through the game just always having that

Does the time you're in mutation/loading screen/paused count towards run time in nt

>>169618721
>mutation
the time spent counting does

>loading screen/paused
nope

Turn on the timer if you're going for speed anyways, it'll help you know what takes time away from you and what doesn't

>>169619008
I thought I had seen it on but then when I was doing my plant runs I didn't see it so I thought maybe it was just a daily thing.

>the time spent counting does
what do you mean by counting?

>>169619251
Don't know why I said counting in hindsight, meant deciding the mutation, sorry.

>>169619831
Yea that's what I assumed you meant but I wasn't sure.

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>tfw raiden coil, particulator
>hero's bandana
>scattershot

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Some old stuff

>>169464939
Not as dead as Isaac

>>169625927
If you get me sprites for
>Idling
>Walking
>Getting hit/Dying (only really need the latter desu)
>Barfing out a weapon

I'll gladly make the Mimic character under these specifications:

>Active:
> > Held: Swap internal weapon with current weapon
> > Tap: Eat/Regurgitate weapon on the ground

> Passive
> > Can carry one extra weapon in storage (Hold to switch)
> > Mimics are hostile, and actively seek out the player
> > Additional mimics (Added via mod):
> > - Wall Mimic
> > - Weapon Chest Mimic (Uses a gun)
> > - Weapon Mimic (Is a gun)(?)

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>>169629540
>wall mimics
trust nobody, not even the walls

So I just saw a mimic with a fuse on it. What would have happened if I didn't shoot it to death?

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>>169629540
Over here
>>169546263
Except Barfing, which I whipped up just for you.
Also that download doesn't contain alternate skins.

>>169634042
it wouldn't have exploded but you wouldn't have gotten an item for killing it, at least according to the wiki.

>>169634496
Ah, missed it while computer hopping. Wouldn't have icons for Ultras either, but I'm assuming you're okay with that as long as the character is playable.

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>>169635970
Sure. Might try to whip some icons up later, but for now this is good.

Does Shellraiser ever give an item? What a shitty boss reward.

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>Manage to loop as melting
>mfw scary face, throne butt, ult a
you're ok melting
you're ok

if i had gotten bloodlust i probably would have gotten farther but i got to like 3-2 or something

>>169637191
do you mean the lament configurum? That item is pretty complicated so I'll just link the wiki page.

http://enterthegungeon.gamepedia.com/Lament_Configurum

If you use it 20 times you unlock an item.

>>169638087
So it gives me curse, makes me fight for a CHANCE at an item, and ruins my chances at getting S rank items?

I'm never picking it up again.

>>169638087
>is a B tier item but counts as an A tier item
DODGE ROLL THIS IS A STEAKMUND TIER MOVE

>>169638087
>There's literally a stat in gungeon that stops you from getting good weapons if you already got a weapon of a similar tier
wew lad

i kind of want to play this game because it seems like it'd maye be fun but everything I hear and see about it makes it seem like prime steak

>>169608963
Not much, just Tech X+spoon bender+lump of coal. Stand on the edge, shoot shit.
Whenever I wanna feel strong I play Lilith on Greed Mode.

>>169638671
anon, isaac has that too, though items that count as special in that game are far less
>>169638421
Usually the negatives outway the positives but if you're having a good run it can be a constant source of A or S tier items. I hate it myself though, but at least if you're familiar with enemies of bullet hell they give some shells to spend without much trouble.

>>169639310
>anon, isaac has that too, though items that count as special in that game are far less
yea and isaac is my least favorite of the games (that I've played at least) that are talked about here

>>169639310
It's not like you'll even notice it happening, really. Any of the items spawn very rarely on their own.

Casey is a meme weapon

>>169639571
I hate that item, feel like they added too much bad stuff into it, but I usually can get a good item or 2 after a few uses

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>Blue Baby, need to do Delirium
>Planning on doing Lamb then looping at least once
>Get Gnawed Leaf, an attack fly and Depression on the way
>Don't even bother going to Lamb when void portal appears, have the most relaxed Void run ever
That was after resetting repeatedly while the game tried to give me Lil' Loki 3 times in a row as my first item, so it was quite welcome

>old crest doesn't even get covered by new armor

i will never get to the abbey of the gun

>>169640786
Good the scarf fucking sucks

>>169640914
>can use it to teleport through locked doors or to find secret rooms
>decreases reloading by 30%

it's a bit hard to get used to though

>>169641672
A bit doesn't make it justice, which is made worse by how rare it is making it impossible to reliably practice with it

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>dodge rolling right into an oncoming bullet

I still can't play Bolt for the life of me. The 2 beat rhythms just make no sense for me. All I can do is pray to get lucky with a warhammer so I can dumbfuck my way through the levels.
Obviously thats going to be a problem if I ever try to play Coda (Not that I'll ever unlock her but still)

>>169643169
There's a mod that makes the music in time with the beat, I don't know if that'd help you any.

>>169644926
I saw it but comments said it didn't work anymore.

>>169643169
That being said a blood warhammer is better than an obsidian warhammer if I can't keep the gold multiplier up consistently right?

>>169647034
If you can keep your health at 0.5hp, a Blood Warhammer is basically an infinite-fuckyou Golden Warhammer. It all depends on how you play, really.

>>169647447
I was mostly just trying to keep myself alive with the health gain. Didn't work out since I died in one retarded series of moves anyway.

Holy fuck am I glad to be done monk.

I had taken a week or so break after a really bad death on deep blues but I managed to kill coral riff without beefing it too hard. Was one more hit away from doing it and I don't really internalize cat o nine tails hit very well.

But jesus fuck it's finally over

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>>169649952
I'm finally free.

Also I always thought bolt was a guy

Bolt is kind of fun but I don't think I'm gonna be very good at it.

I get deep blues of all fucking bosses first so I died quick