/twg/ - Total War General

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What's your most missed dead meme?

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wot do lads

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xth for the one true king of BRI- i mean BRETONIA

Can someone tell me why my empire troops will use anything to fight, kicks, shield bashes, pirouettes, leaps

But they won't use their weapons? I swear they have like 2 animations where they use swords/spears to fight, I see kicks and leaps all the time, this really bothers me, is there a mod to change this?

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>Kill Captives
>Sack Settlement
>Raze settlement

Who /no mercy/ here?

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>>168943598
Reposting this undeniable truth from end of last thread

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>>168943771
xth for Isabella Von Carnstein

>>168943771
We're having a vote next time.

>>168944145
Elizbeth Bathory is way better then Isabella. Lesbian rapist FTW

THE TRUE VON CARSTEIN

>>168943769
Show the Elves what an actual green tide looks like.

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>>168944146
>Letting Bretonnian peasantry vote

>>168944126
It's true, but I will never ascend to bog hammer because I love warhammer too much. Am I just incomplete? Am I mistake? Is there any hope for me?

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>>168944145
Tomb Kings when?

Guys,

If I change my religion in attila total war. Does my religious building selection change? I'm playing as the sassanids and I want to change my religion to Greek Christianity, if I do it. Do I get the ability to build churches or what?

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Rejoice! For a Knight of Bretonnia provides your shield.

DK27X-JDKRW-ETLKV Attila
D9PT2-CAY7A-B40EW Shogun 2

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>>168944457
Hassan chop looks more like a Chaos warrior.

Besides, we need Ogres first.

>>168944496

of coursh

>>168944584
Ok, thanks

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>>168943769
>those borders

>>168944126
>people honestly think Rome 2 is better than Attila
what

>>168944496

You should try converting to minor religions, it's very hard (you basically have to raze everything and have settlements in some parts of the middle east, forgot where) but you get a nice surprise

>>168944707
The badlands borders happen to be just fine for once
everyone else is muckin about

>>168944828
Rome 2 is ranked below Atilla

>>168944443
The bogpill will come naturally, with time, young one

>>168944126
Warhammer is the best in the series.

>>168944862
Literally the only way to do this in the current state of the game is by either playing as WRE and razing everything but libya, or by playing as the garamantians and razing everything, then moving to libya.

It's the only province in the game with >35% minor religions and due to the religious influences on the province, it becomes <35% after only 2 or 3 turns

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Rock the boat!

>>168943769
Goblin honour demands that support your ally in a war far away from your lads that has no benefits for you.

>>168944902
>Rome 2 is ranked below Atilla
But the entire point of the meme is that it's inverted

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Soon

>>168944126
Empire was the fucking worst and most boring.

>>168945193
I have ascended past ironic humor

>>168945325
Empire is the patrician's choice

I've only ever played Shogun 2, but I've modded it to a ridiculous extent.
Part of the reason why I don't want to try any other TW games is because I'm worried I may emerge a couple of decades later, having modded them all extensively and wondering where it all went wrong. Then I would remember that it was all /twg/'s fault and seek vengeance.

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>>168943891

>really want to get rid of those fucking wood nazis on my borders
>make it to athel loren
>place is completely undefended throughout
>defeat the garrison at one of their hippie communes
>ready to raze that motherfucker to the ground
>can sack it for 16k gold instead
>check my finances
>1100 gold with a +300 income
>mfw

>>168945449
warhammer is real fun anon you're missing out.

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Forest nazi status: stabbed
Now to raze every humie that decided to raid me

>>168945449

Shogun 2 is better than Warhammer desu. You're not missing much. But you should still get it while it's 12 dollars, because it will never get that cheap again, and it's worth at least a 100 hours of your time.

>>168945668
>Not even turn 50
>All that sweet cash
gonna stab

>>168945486
Why not both?

The biggest issue was the fucking hippie elf magicks that cause attrition which would wipe half my army out in early parts of the game.

Regardless I razed half their forest and made them my bitch til the very end until I defeated chaos and made my way down south

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>>168945425
>unironically thinking that Shogun 2, Napoleon, Warhammer and Empire are better than Attila
Total Warhammer really was the worst thing to happen to this general

>>168945842
it's obviously a joke image you fucking autist

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>>168945719
Second this anon.
No matter how cheap it goes in a year or two it wont beat 12 bux.
>>168945769
I lost 50 grand because i had to raze one province before my army collapsed and second one was WAAAGHED

Gotta stab.

>>168945842
Shogun 2 is the best by far.
Dem animations...those battle speeches...dat FOTS campaign as flavor on top

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>>168945947
>it's j-just a joke b-bro heh

>>168945842
image clearly wasn't entirely serious but Attila wasn't that good

The building/province systems were shit, variety was fairly lacking, and the battles only ever felt like shitty masses of units being thrown at each other.

>>168945842

Serious question here from someone who's been with the series since '02 and have played every TW except Attila:

What makes it so good?

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>>168946036

>>168946192
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rmo3fKeveo

Jokes aside they finally found how to implement mechanics that were half baked for ages.
Just compare it to original Rome Barb Invasion. Also it wasnt Rome 2.

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I would like more tales of DAVE

>>168944561

Thank you anon! Took the shogun 2 one, have a great day tomorrow!

>>168944126
For me personally, its R2, R1,Empire,Napoopan
Med2,Atilla,Warhammer,Shogun 2

Im playing as the Sassinids empire around 400AD, my heir's army's integrity is on the first bar, slipping down, how do I raise integerity without Decimating.
Btw pretty much all my family has no infulance, so I cannot do anything political
*my control is below 30*

>waystalker kills skarsnik's starting big boss
Now it's personal, you git

>>168946192
It's difficult.

Basically a much harder version of Rome 2. The battles also are fun and the huns are an awesome boss

I need to breed a demigryph

Empire is the Oda of Warhammer.

Discuss.

>>168948297
There are so many ways this post could go.

None of them are good.

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>>168948297

>make some demigryphs to try out at the very end of my campaign
>pretty small unit size but whatever
>mfw they charge into enemy infantry and half of the enemy unit just evaporates

Steam tanks were bit of a letdown though.

>>168948775
Steam Tanks a ridiculous against certain enemy army compositions
Even where they're not super effective, they're durable as

Is TW:W good?

>>168949075
Yes very.

>>168949075
best total war game

>>168949203
>>168949210
How is it in terms of campaign? From what I can tell it is by far the best in terms of battles but I don't know how it measures up in terms of the grand strategy side of things

>>168949329
Its gooooooood

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>>168949075


Depends my man.

Do you like waifus?

Do you like Franz?

>>168949329
It's ok
You will be engaged in Total War and have lots of battles

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>>168949210

>"""best""" total war game

>most magic is still useless
>most sieges are shit
>no banners/musicians or captains
>no reload animations for 90% of range units
>campaign map is as deep as a puddle

I like Warhammer but no way is it the """best"""

>>168949607
Guys... is this true?

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What fucking bizzaro world am I living in right now

>>168949792
The campaign map does feel small, a lot of magic is shit, and the sieges do suck most of the time. AI is also fairly defensive.

I'd still recommend it though.

>>168949607
>most magic is still useless
Which every other Total War game doesn't even have
>most sieges are shit
>campaign map is as deep as a puddle
Just like every other Total War game.
>no banners/musicians or captains
>no reload animations for 90% of range units
Minor cosmetic shit that doesn't effect the overall quality of the game.

>>168949792
You're always going to have differing opinions on this shit

Sieges have always been shit in TW games, though IMO it's handled better here than any time previously

I wouldn't cnsider magic "useless"

The lack of banners and captains and the like is unfortunate and rather irritating but it is a very minor overall complaint

I don't see how the campaign map is as deep as a puddle, it's definitely small but frankly it's one of the more complex ones in the franchise. Empire had a massive map and Shogun II had one of the smallest, look how those two games were received

>>168949607
Funny. Total War warhammer is the only total war game were ive played and completed every single faction in the game.

>>168950086
>he completed a dawi campaign
aoohohohhhohohohoh

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>>168945668

You know what's fucking shit about the Grand Campaign? Almost every single fucking time the same results happen. Empire never unites fully, Vampire Counts are largely irrelevant, Dwarves are a fucking superpower, Greenskins annihilated, Gobbos are shit-tier, Wood Elves are genocidal monsters. Chaos gets BTFO every time it tries to come down.

Their AI team really are a huge bunch of niggers who are constantly shitting up the Total War games.

>>168950425
Yeah they never really rebalanced the grand campaign post-release
Get yourself the pack file manager and play around with the AI tables. It's fun.

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>>168950425
>Dwarves are a fucking superpower, Greenskins annihilated, Gobbos are shit-tier, Wood Elves are genocidal monsters. Chaos gets BTFO every time it tries to come down
This is a problem?

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This is so bullshit. Five turns ago I had Angrund's last settlement beseiged and they had one stack of 18 units. I then got a rebellion in their old capital so I sent Snarsnik back to deal with it and their stack then left their settlement and made a beeline for Karak Bhufdar and took it back from me. The turn after I began the siege with Snarsnik and then I see that over the space of five turns those dwarven fucks managed to complete their first stack but also raise another full one and then a further four units and send them at me as well.

How fucking fast can the ai create armies? How much fucking money can the ai possible cheat itself?

>>168949607

This. Warhammerfags are shitting up this general with their constant shilling.

It's a good game, but you retards are getting ahead of yourselves if you think it's better than Shogun 2, Attila, or Rome 1.

>>168950575
t. Gorin Dimgolsnev

>>168950775
>Rome 1
>Attila

You can't just up and replace one meme with another, anon

>>168944126

i never played atilla and ill admit its better than rome 2

Anons what happens next for TW WH?
When is the 2nd one out?
Are we getting more paid DLC?
It's been FLC/DLC/FLC/DLC so far right?
Kangz when?

>>168948775

Demi's are the Empire's premier Swiss army knife, they are phenomenal cavalry and useful in virtually any situation. Also with the addition of the Lore of Life demis are balls outta control and can sustain forever. Steam tanks on the other hand are a niche unit that can really shine in certain engagements but a lot of times will make you go "I could have just used X instead of this". But every once in a while it shines.

But with that being said, the Steamtanks main cannon has a really great feature. It's projectile arc, muzzle velocity and damage are incredible for gibbing cavalry. Get a good angle of attack, fire a shot at some Blood Knights and it will easily kill 4-6 models, possibly more depending on the formation and do a shit ton of HP damage.

Only problem is 2 units of great cannons or a hellblaster can basically do the same thing and for less money and at higher chevrons can fire faster too.

>>168943598
>there will never be a 40k game in the style of Total War

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

>>168951081
>Anons what happens next for TW WH?
Britainnea

>When is the 2nd one out?
>Kangz when?
Junes

>Are we getting more paid DLC?
Of coursh

>>168951142
I'd rather have a Squat Dorf Fortress.

>>168951142
>there will never be a 40k game in the style of Dead or Alive Xtreme Beach Volleyball

SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII

>>168950775
I've played total war since medieval 1.
But I played warhammer since before I owned a computer.
I can safely say that the best campaign is Atilla. The best whole package is Shogun 2 but Warhammer has the best battles, and a ton of potential.

Also the best total war is your favorite era because that's the one most people identify the most with

>>168951142
>there will never a Space Total war
JUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUST

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What's the best arty/siege weapon in Skubhammer, /twg/?

>>168951142
30k better tbqh

>>168951395
>your favorite era

This

It's why I love Empire even though it's a piece of shit for many reasons. The Enlightenment era and scale is unbeatable IMO

>>168951142

miniature 40k doesn't play like that

>>168951081
>Anons what happens next for TW WH?
Bretonnia + Isabella + Old World Edition patch. After that the only confirmed things are two more pieces of free DLC. A vampire LL and something called the "Old Friend".

>When is the 2nd one out?
No official announcement yet. CA's chatter has been increasing over the past few months so possibly expect a reveal sometime soon(ish).

>Are we getting more paid DLC?
It's unknown, they've already said the DLC team is planning on moving onto sequel pre-order content after Bretonnia but have been cagey on more paid DLC for TWWH.

>It's been FLC/DLC/FLC/DLC so far right?
Up until this update yes. Now it's looking like FDLC/FDLC/FDLC

>Kangz when?
Probably the first sequel race pack.

30 Years War

>>168951395
Best campaign IMO was Medieval 2, it had a lot of character and unique events to it that made it way more memorable. The discovery of gunpowder, the New World, all the cutscenes for assassinations and whatnot. They should really bring that shit back

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>tfw carthage shits can't into circles

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>>168951563
>Old Friend

pls be Kislev

>>168951694
Agreed, it was an advantage of the game's era that allowed it to have all the events but it definitely made the campaign stand out as opposed to basically any other in the series where things remain mostly the same from beginning to end. Units in M2 actually evolved, you went from literal shit peasants to rifleman and cannons by the endgame, truly felt like you just went through 500 years of time

>>168952031

The odds of that are so slim that it's essentially 0. Maybe as a race pack in the sequel.

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>>168952019

Are rectangles ok?

>>168952220
The units also got shinier armour when you upgraded their tech or whatever it was
Was Med2 made by CA? I remember hearing it was made by a subsidiary goodbyhe

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>>168951142
You seriously think they're not making Total War: Warhammer 40k after they made boatloads of cash with fantasy? Total War: Warhammer smashed their sales expectations.

40k Total War is happening. I don't know why people think it won't work. They've already got guns, flying units, vehicles, monsters and shit working just fine.

>>168952439

>40k Total War is happening.

It won't happen.

>>168952439
DoW

>>168952439
>I don't know why people think it won't work.

I have no idea how they'd make a campaign work, at least well.

Obviously the incorporating entire galaxy would be a retarded feat that wouldn't work for a variety of reasons. Setting it on one landmass and making it traditional however would also make no sense whatsoever.

IMO, if they were going to do 40k, they would've done it before a WH fantasy game. It's a far more popular universe.

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>>168952518
Total War as a franchise was on life support until Warhammer. Games Workshop has yet to meet a shekel they didn't like. We have the documents. It's going to happen.

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If they did a Total War game centering around China, which time period could they use that could also include Mongol hordes, India, and perhaps Korea/Japan as well?

>>168952674

It won't happen, anon. Just let it go.

>>168952439
>>168952625

>>168952674
>>168952439

holy shit, what IS it with /pol/ neckbeards and 40k?

Really activates the neurons

>>168952625
Dawn of War isn't the same thing anon and you know it!

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>tfw we'll get a second warhammer game before the next historical title

It's not good my friends

>>168953218
MEDIEVAL III OR RIOT

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>>168952295

>alexander expansion

salve, patrician

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>>168952625
DoW3 is going to flop, and there are other 40k videogames being made besides Dawn of War. I don't think Total War: 40k is going to happen for a few years in any case.

>>168952657
Doing it on one landmass could work, it already worked. Pic related. Or they could do something different, I don't know. It's not like nobody has ever designed a space game before.

>>168952889
I don't really care that much, I'm more of a history and fantasy fan. But it's going to happen. The Total War team isn't going to want to gamble with history when franchises have shown to be way more profitable. They were close to getting shut down before Warhammer.

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>>168953218
>implying that's a bad thing
I eagerly await both the next historical release AND my high elves famalam

>>168953218

I don't mind Warhammer as bit of a breath of fresh air and a chance for CA to do something different, but I will straight up fuck off if they keep to this road beyond the Warhammer games we'll get. Orcs and dwarfs are cool, but that shit can't hold a candle to human history, and they're not why I play TW games anyway.

>>168953218
>he doesn't love the historical titles and fantasy equally
lmao@your life

>>168953218
>tfw no Total War Victoria functioning as the true rendition of Empire

>>168953218

>implying Warhammer being successful isn't going to raise the sales of the next historical title, too

Hint: When Attila released, people had a fuckton of animosity for CA because of the botched Rome 2 release. That animosity still hasn't left completely. Warhammer shored up the relationship, but there's still holes because of their Hebrew DLC practices.

It's funny how there's a growing anti-history sentiment in this general, because of so many newfaggots coming in due to Warhammer.

>>168953218

Well yeah, Warhammer has been in the works for years and the sequel has been in development for almost a year now. Where as the historical title is, according to CA, still in pre-production. There probably wont be another historical title for another 2-3 years.

Suggestions for my Beastmen army and strategies?

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>>168953452
>DoW3 is going to flop

Cool hot take.

>>168953832

MINOTAURS

No seriously, they are the strongest monstrous infantry in the game

Also Bullgore

>>168953452
>DoW3 is going to flop,

Doubt it. 40K fans are generally pretty happy to slurp up whatever shit gets tossed their way.

>>168953660
I love history, there is no game I'd like more than either Medieval 3 or a Victoria Total War. But Attila was a great game that sold like shit. Shogun 2 was a great game that did well and got tons of critical acclaim, but it didn't move units like Warhammer is doing. CA is a business, they are going to follow the money. They don't even sound that keen on doing a history game.

>y-yeah, we'll probably get around to another one at some point. No real plans or anything yet...

>>168953452
I wish they had this mode for DoW3
Its the biggest reason why i loved DoW

>>168953917
Well, I was going to use a lo of them because they are cool as fuck

Still I'm a newbie to the genre so I don't know much else. I know about the envil and hammer technique, I know about using flying units to deal with artillery, but that's basically all I gathered

>>168952993
>entire lore based around totalitarian militarist Germans/Romans who rule many galaxies, systematically exterminating all life that isn't human and that doesn't conform to their set of beliefs
Gee I don't know anon

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>>168953660
I hope you're right, but I can't admit to being optimistic about it. Warhams has 1.2m owners with an extra 30k a week, less than a year after release.
Attila, by comparison has been out for over 2 years and has yet to break the 1m mark. I know the popularity of the setting makes a difference but still.

>>168953568
>>168953628
>>168953540
I've played about 100 hours of Warhams and I don't hate it, but it's nowhere near as enjoyable to me compared to historical titles. The novelty wore off very quickly for me and the replayability doesn't seem to be there. I guess it's more subjective than anything else, but I just prefer the historical games.

>>168953356
>>168953648
Pike &Shot or Asia plz

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>get the urge to reinstall Medieval 2
>remember how unit replenishment works in it

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>>168953917

>taking on the beastmen as the empire
>half their army are fucking minotaurs
>no biggie i got a wall of halberds
>minotaurs plow into my men so hard half of them fly to the other side of the map
>mfw

>>168954179

Skill up the red three of your general asap since Beastmen have shit morale.

Hide a lot on the map, attack unprotected cities.

If you create a second horde early have it build shit units only, otherwise you can't really mantain it.

Also pick the mantainance cost reduction skill with the generals.

Build the mantainance reduction building once you have the infantry building + cavalry + minotaurs or Cygor one.

Always raze, defile if city would give shit money (5k or less)

You can win a siege even if the battle bar gives 75% odds against you. Smash the gates, roll the Bullgore and Minotaurs in and watch the enemy infantry die of heart attacks out of nowhere

>tell waagh army not to attack since I changed my mind
>they do it anyway
>reinforce into a clusterfuck I can't win without losing a bunch of units
>next turn the garrison is at half full strength again and I can't raze
wew

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>turn the corner
>see this

anyone complaining about 40k not fitting with total war's style or gameplay can look to Epic 40k, wherein the scale matches perfectly

>>168954980
just play dawn of war

>>168954596

Beastmen siege battles are the most fun I had so far with the game.

>>168950575
yes it is when the entire late game involves removing stack after stack of ror grudgefag doomstacks

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Someone posted their desktop in the last thread and it made me wonder about some of games I loved that haven't received digital versions yet.
Fucking loved these games growing up but i can't find them anymore. I wish some of these older games would be sold on a digital platform.

>Battle for middle earth 1,2,RotWK
>Harry Potter 1,2
>Halo 1
>Rise of Nations: Rise of Legends
>Warhammer: March of Chaos

>Inb4 halo 1
I don't want these games to be lost if my cds get ruined.

>>168954980
I'd rather not throw up thanks.

Nobody else cares about your four barracudas.

>>168954596
Thanks man, this is really helpful. But for battle what should I do? What units should I make?

>>168954090

Stupid newfag, they have multiple teams on board right now. One is developing Warhammer expanisons and DLC, the other is developing the next historical title. They have hired a historical consultant recently.

Just stop. Be content that 40k even gets a few novels and miniatures a year.

>>168954456
Medieval 2 would still be an awesome game and age like wine if they only had passive replenishment like the newer total war games

>>168944862
I don't own Attila. What's the surprise? Put it in spoilers for those who don't want to know.

>>168954914
Easily winnable. Siege and wait for them to attack you and scoop up the leftovers

>>168955417

My optimal composition would be

General
Bullgore
Shaman
4 Gor with shields
4 Dual wielding Gors
2 Cygors
4 Minotaurs
2 Centigors with throwing axes
1 Chariot

Spears are not exactly that useful, Ungors are shit, you can fuck up cavalry with Cygors or great weapon Minotaurs.

Harpies are... Unsure why they are in the game besides sacrificing to annoy enemy artillery.

Bestigors look cool but they die way too easily and cost a shitton of money and turns to make

>>168955302
Nice posting, very well done.
Really nailed the location.

RotWK can be pirated easily, cracking it is a bit of a pain.
Halo CE is fucking everywhere
Pirated Rise of Legends for the first time like a year ago, so it's pretty available.
I like the concept but it's a piece of crap
Haven't played the Warhammer game.

>>168955417
Not him but don't underestimate your bowmen.
Vanilla centigors are glorified chaos hounds. Centigors with great weapons are a really good unit.
Minotaurs are your very best units.
Bestigors are like your greatswords, don't do too much damage but still win almost any fight they're in over time.

Everything else is sadly in one state or another of mediocrity, use the best of what you have.

If you don't set a target will a waaaagh army just follow the one that spawned it?

>>168955302
mark of chaos, battle for middle earth and halo are free on the internet anon.

>>168955591
Try not to get too upset when you respond to retards.
It comes off as really autistic.

>>168955895
yes

>>168955757
Unlocks a great building almost makes doing all the hard work worth it

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>>168955626
Yeah, I didn't mind it at the time but now it's just too much to deal with. Time turns us all into casuals.

Guys, this is basically my western and eastern roman army composition. Please rate

General
4 heavy Spears
6 heavy melee
1 shock cavalry
2 melee cavalry
1 skirmish or arch cavalry
3 crossbow men or archers
2 special units

>>168956220
They really should make a medieval 3. Keep all the crusades, mongols, castles and city choice, and get rid of the 3 regions in each province bullshit.

Also add replenishment, tech tree, naval battles, better graphics, more unit diversity, and make the church have a bigger influence in campaign choice like an actual medieval kingdom also extend map more north, West, south, and east.

>>168955626
The lack of passive-replenishment is absolutely fine.

The general function of siege battles are what fucks it up the most.

>>168952863
Best part would be to use Genghis Khan as the titular character. That way you have a good 3-5 major kingdoms in China. I avoid saying Chinese, but technically only one is Han Chinese and the rest are just former steppe horsemen who settled.

You also get a bunch of kingdoms in modern day Tibet and eastern parts of India. Korea is also a thing, and you can probably meme in Japan.

Also the Middle East. You can throw those guys in since Genghis Khan's kids went there too. Oh, and Russia too. And if we really really want to meme parts of Eastern Europe.

In addition, you could just make multiple factions for the Mongolian Horde since there were four major sons.

>>168956289

I follow a fairly standard army comp through all the TW games with 4 archers, 2 cav, 2 anti-cavalry/spears and 2 siege with the rest being various melee units. There's always some variation though, depending on the situation. Money, enemy army composition and so on.

>>168955113
>dow1 + winter assault + dark crusade + soulstorm
less content than med1 with a smaller mp player base to boot

>dow2 + chaos rising + inquisition
transition game wherein you dont get the same scale AND you get the bad parts of MOBA
also less content than shogun 2

>dow3 (unreleased)
full on seizureffic extravaganza with leaping terminators and horrible proportions. the scale is even worse (in multiple senses) as any size battle with a titan would have more foot sloggers and vastly tower above them. units dont seem to have proper weight; they dont move like they should; everything is streamlined and polished to the point of absurity. i'd also say it has less content than X but that remains to be proven. prolly less than shogun 2.

Epic 40k has the size and scale requirements for a total war game, and would look visually impressive to boot. if you dont like 40k/warham chocolate in your tw peanut butter, i wont fault you for turning your nose. its no justification for shunting people to that dead franchise though.

the fanbase that wants this doesnt want Relic-style rpg looting with a linear campaign, or a linear campaign at all; they want tyranids swarming over and eviscerating the imperial guard while baneblades trade fire with bio-titans, and the rear artillery just says fuck it all and fires into the blob. they want total war scale battles with marines holding against orks and gobbos, while a titan and gargant blow their loads on each other, and the thunderbirds and ork fightahs perform IT AIN'T ME strafing runs. that sort of scale cant be done with dawn of war unless they go back to the roots of the first game, and they wont.

Can someone post the Reikland Rapist video that some anon commissioned for five dollarydoos?

>>168956714
4 archers is too many and 2 cavalry is too few. I say at least 3 cavalry units in 1 army and at most 3 units of archers. A good melee unit with decent armor is basically better than anything else
>>168956558
What was wrong with it?

>>168955302
there's literally nothing wrong with Halo 1-3

>>168956953
On anything other than small and maybe medium unit size, fitting and pathing units is absolute fucking cancer in sieges.
And the immortal-morale box in the centre is a colossal pain in the ass, but M2 doesn't feature that uniquely.

>>168949792
Magic is admittedly weak but I wouldn't call it useless.
No banners/musicians is shit but I can live with it. Banners have been pretty minimal since Shogun 2.
No reload anims for several units is inexcusable and needs to be a far bigger discussion than it is.
Campaign is not particularly deep but when has is it ever been truly deep? It works for what it is, and I can't really complain too much. Basically the same as Shogun 2 onward, find the optimal strategy for building a province then rinse/repeat with minor variations for each province you conquer. Politics are nonexistant though unique mechanics can make up for it in some cases(Though not all, sadly).
Overall I give it like a 10/10 for battles, 5/10 for polish and 6/10 for campaign gameplay. Overall I'd say its worth picking up. Especially at 12 fucking dollars, which Total War Warhammer will never reach in a sale for atleast 5+ years. Maybe even longer.

>>168949792
Yeah, its still an amazing game regardless. Dont listen to the salty history fags.

>>168957519
Now that you bring it up. The infinite morale box in the middle of sieges makes me fucking angry

I really fucking hope we get banners and musicians at some point
at the very least a mod

>confederation pisses everybody off
>sending soldiers into a territory and capturing it by force only angers the former owner and his friends

You'd think that the former would be the least offensive way of acquiring territory, considering that it's consensual.

It's still cool that you can territory through diplomacy now.

What's the best unit size? Is it a good idea to just follow my impulses and kick it up to ultra? I want things to still be sensible in terms of scale, without too much blobbing going on.

Trailer tomorrow

>>168951142
40k total war could be the first 40k game that could have even CLOSE to proper scale. a unit of 10 Space Marines taking on a full 120 man batallion of IG or Orks would be glorious.

IG would be reliant on numbers, full scale assaults, and Tank/artillery support

Orks would be a straight forwards fuck em up faction relying on charging the enemy guns blazing and microing enough to ensure your Dakka reaches the right places.

SMs, CSMs, Eldar and Dark Eldar would rely on micro and use of terrain to fight the armies which have larger units(I imagine Eldar units would be maybe max 30 men, with SMs and CSMs being 10/max 20 if they want to have 2 squads per unit or just not care).

There is so much potential for a 40k game if CA just goes outside the box and pushes the boundaries of TW. Yes, it would be VASTLY different from anything CA has put out, but would we prefer they just stick to sword'n'board-Victorian era guns for all eternity? Series have to evolve, and Total War should be no different IMO.

>>168958073
>Oh hey those two faggots are at war, hehe, maybe we can clean up the pieces after they're both wrecked.

compared with

>Oh shit they joined together and combined their militaries, all without bloodshed. And how long of a border do we have with them now?!?!?

They're reacting to your power.

Its a crab bucket.

>>168944126
>thinking Med1/Shogun1 are bad

>>168958454
It's. Not. Gonna. Happen.

It is as plausible as a WW2 Total War game. It isn't gonna happen. You want a WW2 Total War? Just play Company of Heroes. You want 40K Total War? Just play Dawn of War.

>>168958554
Med1/Shogun1 aren't "bad", especially for their time

They are undeniably far worse than any other entry in the series at this point, except for maybe launch-era Rome II.

>>168958454
I'd only be in it to see faggot marines blown to shreds by IG artillery.
And that is more satisfying in a normal RTS format.

>>168958554

Med 1 had an amazing soundtrack at least.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDIB4sSpeP4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHceT03Wgas

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G O B L I N S

>>168949607
>most magic is still useless
git gud

most damage spells suck for anything but murdering enemy generals
which is all you should really be using them for
buffs/debuffs are plenty powerful; you can turn the tide of a battle with a good area buff (or double casted single buff; they become area-buffs usually)

>>168958591
Those blobfests aren't anything like Total War.

>>168958895

>At the moment in time in which I arrive at my destination, I am going to thrust violently with my blade

What did my Goblin Big Boss mean by this?

>>168959005
>calls those blobfests
>wants total war
???????

>>168951395
>>168951518
>>168951694


Goddamn i know i would love attila but i cannot stand playing strategy games at sub 30fps. Stutters and lag completely ruin the experience and attila is so horrendously optimized that lowering the graphics even a little makes it look like a potato. One day in the future I'll have a computer that can handle it.

>>168958867
>MTW Euro Mobilize 2 posted
>wasn't by me
cool
best track in the franchise.

How different would Total War battles be if you could do a safe fighting retreat from an engagement?
Like you tell a unit to pull back and instead of turning arse and running they back up slowly

>>168951563

Do you guys think the first expansion will be out in 2017 honestly? I'd love for that but it feels so soon..

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>>168959336

My nigga.

>Tilea can afford 4 full stacks despite only owning 2 settlements

What did CA mean by this?

>>168959419
Play DEI, battles are so slow you can basically do this

>>168959502
Port cities have such outrageous economies - I love it.

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>>168956698

Around the Song dynasty, then. It'd be really cool. Ancient Chinese armor is so fucking good.

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>>168943598
Posting some screenshots I got earlier playing with an all mounted gobbo army.

>>168959449
Expansion will be
- new campaign map area
- two new factions?
- mixed steam reviews
- some gameplay adjustments

It's not huge like the Rome 2 to Attila, and Attila was delayed because of the Rome 2 dumpster fire anyway.

Empire - 3 March 2009
Napoopan - 23 Feb 2010

Shogun 2 - 15th of March, 2011
FotS - 23rd of March, 2012

Just BELIEB

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>>168959867

>>168956698
>Best part would be to use Genghis Khan as the titular character.

I still don't know why Total War: Khan hasn't come across CA's fucking heads yet.

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>>168960037

>>168959910
>- mixed steam reviews
top fucking kek
CA could literally put out gold and people would leave a bad review because it's 14 carat instead of 24

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My current plans so far:

1.) Bretonnia campaign on the 28th.
2.) Von Carstein campaign after I finish with them.

After that, not really sure. They are fairly slow with dlc releases so it could be 2 months from now even for the next small free dlc. Maybe Greenskins. Would like to give them a shot on a harder difficulty. A tide of green death, heh.

Can Greenskins settle in human buildings or is it just dwarf shit?

Dawn of War 2 - Ultramarines DLC - 99FH9-09HP4-ICP2J

Total War Rome II: Blood and Gore - 8HC7B-YQCV6-EGE3A

Total War Attila: Blood and Burning - 7C54D-YDD4R-Q6Q7Q

Shogun 2 Blood Pack - 6WEPG-LJNCX-MGJFK

>>168959910
>2 new factions
>>>>>>2

>High elves
>edge elves
>lizardmen
>skaven

is practically guaranteed to be the roster for the first expansion, it even fits the basic setup of the first
>2 pairs of rival factions (emp/vamps & dwarfs/orcs for 1st, high elves/dark elves & lizards/rats for 2nd)

>>168960289
just midgetlands

>>168959910
Four new factions buddy.

>>168958725
>>168958867
campaign play was much more enjoyable than rome style imo; unbalanced as hell but battles are the only thing that keeps me playing modern total war games

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>tfw comfy as fuck during the thread where the anon was dumping the Warhammer comics
>can't replicate that feel again

>>168960905
go to /tg/ whfg and ask for a link to the full thing and read it yourself

>play skarsnik
>confederate w/ greenskins
>get access to wurrzag azhag and grimgor
>the ai has put all their skill points into useless shit

oh well

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My suggestions to make TW Warhammer more interesting:

1.) Add basic formations. They are already beginning to with Bretonnia. Add in box, circle, and echelon formations. Add in a basic shield wall, spear/pike bracing formation, and loose/tight spacing toggle. That's all that is needed.

2.) Improve siege gameplay. Give the large city siege maps barricades so you can ward off certain sections of the city and make enemy armies funnel into districts you want them to funnel into. Create small settlements so we can siege them with limited barricades and strategical breakables placements. Just like in Attila.

3.) Naval warfare. It has to happen. With it comes port assaults. Marienburg as an actual port city instead of a generic castle needs to happen. Spontaneous events while sailing, for example toward the Chaos wastes you get ambushed by Chaos whales and a band of raiders. Shit like that.

These three rather basic additions would add a ton of replay value to the game.

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>>168961538
>chaos whales

>>168961538
>formations
AHHHH the eternal meme.

Phalanx has been the only "formation" that hasn't been worthless garbage and it shouldn't be a fucking toggled button.

>make sieges not shit
wow very original suggestion

>naval
not going to happen

>>168943598
https://youtu.be/wPRi4jbXSXc

this guy has really grown on me

>>168962008

epin reply, really activated my almonds

>>168962008
really there are certain formations that should be added, such as dwarf shield walls that give bracing bonuses and some sort of halberd formation that make halberds act like an actual defensive formation. Shit like hollow squares and boxes are fucking pointless though, especially in a game where infantrymen regularly get launched across the battlefield by giant angry mancows and other things of that nature

>>168962263

is that art or photoshopped in-game modded city of Attila?

The vanilla cities in Attila are butt fucking ugly

Is there any sort of guarrantee that dlc will be on sale on the 28th?

Because I'm close to cracking desu, haven't bought any aside from blood yet

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>>168961538
>Marienburg as an actual port city instead of a generic castle needs to happen.

Yes, yes. Complete with their own signature unit!

>>168962395
no the uploader just did 140p for some reason on accident

>>168962263
>that feel when commiting mass horsefuckery w/ this in the background

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MT8Px7lqfzI

>>168959023
>Upon the culmination of the journey I am presently undertaking, I will utilize a thrusting technique to plunge my bladed weapon into a nearby target
Something to that effect

>>168962370
Mass is always a fucky thing in TW games. They can never do it quite right.
I mean assume you have like a proper deployed halberd unit, and you shove a gorebull into it.
It'd be stupid if their mass wasn't lost and they didn't fly all over the place.
Then the only other thing you can do is have the gorebull take a fuckton of damage like it was cavalry charging into a phalanx. Which wouldn't be particularly fun either.

Formations like shield wall and phalanx are the two acceptable ones but they're still pretty stupid. They should be implicit in a unit's behavior from the beginning rather than a toggle.

Chosen are terrible. WTF?

>>168961214
Really be nice to have a way to respec them, even if only once after confederation

>>168943598
Regarding the Chaos faction:

What's stopping someone from just modding in the ability to play as them? They and all their assets exist in the game, and there are already mods to unlock playing as minor factions from the campaign

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>>168962789
>He fell for the Chosen meme

Beggar Nohammer is a gay stuntie.

168962789
(you)

>>168962760
it already is implicit to a degree with the way the charge defence traits work, but having toggleable formations would be a nice way to make it so that you can sacrifice mobility/area in return for even better bracing than being stationary gives you. It would be nice in wh because even when stationary, units like halberds and anything in the dwarf roster still get sent flying around when charged by certain units (chariots for ex). Toggleable formations would mean that you can tell certain units to pepper their angus for frontal attacks, and as a result they actually take a charge without partying hard

>>168958454
I'd only play if we're allowed Squat mods.

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>>168962789
so THIS is the power of a terrible unit...

>>168963005
Skarsnik is a delusional hunchbacked cretin, only a small evolutionary step away from toe cheese, whose favorite hobbies include getting betrayed and losing K8P to a bunch of fellow mindless mushrooms, and then being forced to watch as the true king of Karak Eight Peaks sodomizes the entirety of the Crooked Moon "Tribe" with the Hammer of Angrund. Mark my words grobi, when I get my hands on you I am going to feed you to that walking tumor you keep as a pet and then throw you from the highest of the eight peaks for my own personal enjoyment

Requesting Attila Comfy Winter Village

>>168963615
So how many kings have tried and failed to reclaim K8P, stuntie? Hope you got heirs so that they can continue to live up to your family's legacy of failures.

>>168963604
Chosen should be the strongest melee infantry in the game tbhq

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>>168963643

I'd be surprised if TW didn't become primarily a fiction-based franchise now. We all knew that it was going to happen when Warhammer was announced.

>40k
>LotR
>GoT
>Elder Scrolls
>some original setting
>etc.

I honestly don't mind. The separation from history allows them to be as creative as they want.

>>168963010
Sacrificing area is a noble concept but with the way TW functions on a basic level it's never an option that is worthwhile, except for gate blobs. But those are dogshit and any bonus to the attacker there is fine.
Sacrificing mobility is also bullshit, because you don't sacrifice shit. You just do a bit of annoying micro and the unit knows how to move again.

>>168963726
And they are.
Doesn't mean they're cost-effective though.
Even on the TT you can tarpit them with zombies.

>>168963760
I mean bar bar village, the one with the circular huts full view of village

>>168963814
to keep doing history would require a better engine to simulate life

>>168963814
LotR, GoT, and Elder Scrolls are just less interesting versions of Warhammer (for games). Hopefully they can find something better.

>>168963814
>40k
Maybe, pretty unlikely. DoW franchise does it better anyway.
>LOTR
reasonable, tough luck getting the IP
>GoT
go fuck yourself
>Elder Scrolls
Very vaguely maybe works with shit like the CK2 mod, would require a ton of development on the contextual side of things that'd just be pulled out of their ass like TESO and thus lose most of the point of the franchise

Cross-era and Age of Mythology inspiration is the best they can do.

Who /wurrzag/ here?

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>>168963643
>>168963760

>>168963814
>40k
(you)
>LotR
Christopher Tolkien would never allow it
>GoT
Taxation mechanics would need a facelift to gain GRRM's approval
>Elder Scrolls
(you)

>>168963837
well the point with mobility is that you can gain the ability to take charges more effectively but in return aren't able to maneuver. Think Pikes in rome 2 - if they are in phalanx they are considerably slower and much less effective at moving the engagement to the enemy

>>168963913
I'm just posting rando comfy winter pics i took

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>>168964076
Not until we get Savage Orc Warbosses.

>>168960091
Is microing an army full of missile cav fun?

So are there some good Warham Youtube channels? Even better if they explain battles and shit

Total War Rome II: Blood and Gore - C63WQ-2CKQ2-MQGF9
Total War Attila: Blood and Burning - BR48G-KG3NP-0Z987
Shogun 2 Blood Pack - BFTTJ-C7KJ7-EEYFZ

Just played through the beastmen mini campaign on VH and it was easily the most fun I've had in this game which is saying a lot.

>go balls to the wall operating at a 2000 gold deficit after confederating with another tribe
>take a city for an easy 35k
>run away from the massive pissed off army on my tail
>use beast paths to pop out behind them and lightning strike the smallest army
>get a brayherd from the win
>crush the other two armies that were chasing me
>leisurely march back to where I was and sack a bunch of now undefended cities

I normally play very conservatively and plan everything out beforehand but since it was a mini campaign I felt like seeing what I could get away with. It's a way more thrilling experience when cops are chasing you all around the map and one loss could be the end of the whole campaign.

>>168964140
>>168963760

This looks beautiful. I assume this is Attila with extensive modding/graphics at Ultra?

>>168964140
Yes, we all know how pike phalanx works in total war.

I'm saying that how it works is absolute shite.
Your unit of pikemen should not need their general to remind them to hold their pikes low when stationary or advancing at low speed.
It is the worst sort of micro imaginable.

>>168964076
d-dat's not what spells is for!

>>168964141
Just get the all tabletop lords mod.

>>168963991
>DoW franchise does it better anyway.
You do realize that dow never have proper scale battles, routing, morale and million of necessary units like bikes because relic are lazy hacks?

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>>168964385
actually no mods at all, just got lucky with the lighting that battle.

>>168964432
it adds to gameplay, bad micro is the way shield/hoplite walls were in rome2, where you could just activate them whenever for the bonuses

Wish the gunpowder units in TW:W were a bit more devastating.
Overall ranged damage in this game seems a lot more attritionary when compared to, say, Daimyo 2

>>168952275

>a race pack in the sequel
>for an old world faction that's already on the map

Stupid.

In my very hard skarsnik campaign every faction is at war with me and Grimgor refuses to confederate

How do I stop my gobbos from getting fucked by chaos + vamps + elves + dwarfs + empire?

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>>168964672
no shit, ranged units were fucking absurd in shogun 2

>>168964635
It adds to gameplay in a negative fashion.

>oh whoops I forgot to tell my pikemen to use their pikes and they got butchered by a charge

>time to reposition, I'll just grab all these units, oh wait I need an additional mouse click so they don't move at a snail's pace

>>168964910
Don't dick around in the starting province.

Just build up 2 stacks of gobbos and then raid your way down to Karak 8 Peaks.

>>168965124
I have it and it's turn 100 but every faction on the map is sending their stacks at me and grimgor is twiddling his thumbs in the badlands

>lettuce make doom

why necroman don't like vegges?

>>168964672
They're pretty damn strong.

does unit size affect battle sites for the undead?

>>168965098
git gud

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Attila is the best TW game. Prove me wrong.

>>168965676
>2 garrison cav

that is just unfair to the attackers

>>168963814
Witcher would be amazing.

>>168965562

If you mean the graphical setting, it's scaled depending on what you set it to.

>>168965762
Larger Garrisons 1.5x is pretty well balanaced, not my fault the AI is too retarded to deal with a half-strength Scoot Etiquette on turn one

How do I keep my poor little levies alive in beginning?
It just makes me feel bad for sacrificing hundreds of peasants every early battle

Speaking of unit sizes, what's the most historically accurate set of sizes for Attila or Rome2? Is it "normal", because that seems underwhelming.

>>168965941
>using a larger garrison mod

shitter detected. I am ashamed to be posting in the same general as utter plebs like you

>>168965835
yeah, that's what I was meaning. In googling to try to find the answer I found some posts about how spell damage doesn't scale to unit size from 9 months ago. Was that fixed or are they still stronger with smaller unit sizes?

>>168963967
Warhammer as a setting was designed for (tabletop) fantasy battles. The other settings aren't.

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>start campaign armed with a deep understanding of tactics and battlefield acumen
>turn 1 nothing happens
>turn 2 my peasant brigade gets attacked by a 1000 strong army of secessionists
HOW DO I PLAY THIS GAME

>>168963814
I would love an original alternate history game.

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>>168966065
magic is still stronger on smaller unit sizes. I'm not entirely sure if the raise dead mechanic is stronger on certain size. I would assume that it just scales depending on what size you are on, but seeing as how CA hasn't even made magic do that this long after launch, I have no clue.

>>168965941
>modding the wre campaign to be easier

also

>mod that increases garrison sizes in a game notorious for garrisons being able to pull off ridiculous victories
>balanced

>>168964910
spec your generals into the red tree, and spam your 50 gpt gobbos of doom

>>168966053
Look at the size of these battles for your answer

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cannae

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Pharsalus

>>168958454
> Yes, it would be VASTLY different from anything CA has put out

It wouldn't be total war.

>>168966487
I wonder if Classical-era conspiracy theorists believed that cannae never happened

>>168966305
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2XGp5ix8HE

Does anyone know if the dwarfs have golems that they use for battle or something.

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>its another stunty stack that is 1/3 RoR units

also

>2 full stacks led by lls vs one dwarf stack w/ an irrelevant garrison
>that balance of power

after I finish this campaign I'm uninstalling SFO, it has some nice features but the fucking garrisons and autoresolve odds in it are fucking absurd

>>168967018
:^)

>>168967018
No, that's Tomb Kings.

Is there any mod that makes the AI more active in Beastmen campaign? My battles are now 90% siege and it gets really boring.

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>mfw marienburg and the secessionists fall into an ambush

>>168965660
Oh only a retard would fuck up with them, but that doesn't change how stupid, pointless and shallow their inclusion to the game is.

>>168966305

How many levels of strategy are you on?

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>give gifts to Middenland every single fucking turn
>115 relations with them
>still can't confederate

>>168967947
What are Todshitter's traits for that game? If he has Imperial Distrust he isn't going to confederate normally until the End Times.

C4DLP-3IYNH-PC7GT
BNTTT-9TLYC-TL9IV
BQDLZ-ELYKX-BD0WJ

If you're one of the 5 people who hate Sega for making CA charge for blood and don't have it yet

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>>168968032

the only reason I want to confederate is I can make the faggot my reiksmarshal so it isn't some random shmuck

give us kurt helborg already so I can forget about boris

>>168966919
Jesus I haven't seen this in year

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is this the only ERE minor settlement map or something

>>168966305
You should be pretty aggressive in your first ten turns as the Empire. Annihilate the rebel scum.

>>168966305
>Letting the secessionists grow in power

YOU ARE KARL FRANZ
PRINCE
AND
EMPEROR
M
P
E
R
O
R

>>168968381
>double garrisons

>>>/trash/

>>168968537

why wouldn't I use it?

>be literally any faction
>attack a town
>my 20 stack vs 1 spear, 1 archer and 1 horseman
>spend more time autoresolving every battle because the AI runs away from 20 stacks
>can only actually get fights when I run around with a half dead army

wow, so fun! trvly I a master tactician like yourself!

>>168956814
just play dawn of war tho

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>you will realize his ambition in a Total War game

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I just noticed the battles i enjoy the most are the ones fought in the very first turn of a campaign.

Like Fratz vs Secessionist or Grimgor vs that one faggot

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>>168966305
Do nothing but recruit for 2/3 turns then blitz those fuckers

>>168968997

>buckethead dumbasses wasted their time raiding desert shitholes
>could have been preparing armies east into fertile Asian lands

Whites truly got cucked by Christianity to no end

>>168956814
Just place Space Marine

Is TW:W good if you don't care about warhammer

Has anyone managed to win The Dark Mail quest battle for Khazrak in Legendary without using a campaign army?

>>168969406
Yeah it's a decent TW game.
Much better than Rome2 but not as good as S2 or Attila.
More diversity and replayability than either though, and will receive more support in the future.

>>168969406
You will probably come out of it liking Warhammer.

so how do I get gud with Greenskins in TW:WH??

I've been spamming BlOrcs with Grimgor specced for Lightning Strike, red-line buffs + HP buffs, then I have a NG Warboss poisoner & Azhag as my other Lords.

>>168969575
>Grimgor specced for Lightning Strike, red-line buffs
Just max out all of his combat tree and then rape half of the opposing army with him.

>>168969406
Went in giving little to no shits about Warhammer. Came out wanting to learn more about the lore

>>168969575
>how do I get good
>already through the hard part of the campaign
???

>>168969575
You're doing it wrong. Just go down the yellow tree for Grimgor before worrying about the red tree.

>hear there's a sale on budlestars for the dlc
>get excited
>check it
>hmmm 15%, that isn't too bad
>the prices are about the same

Yeah cheers, the normal prices are more than steam so you end up saving about 80c on the beastmen dlc.

SALE ON DLC WHEN!?

>>168965562
it seems to yes
I'm playing with ultra unit sizes and a battle site of 3000 is about the same as a battle site of 1500 on normal unit sizes

>>168970131
Why are you asking us? We don't know.
Ask Reddit.

>>168970247

hi grace

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THEY
HAVE
WRONGED
US

Just beat grand campaign for TW:WH with Empire on Hard, preferably gonna go up in difficulty for my second run but haven't set on a faction yet, and looking to take suggestions.

In short, whats fun?

>>168970483
Are you stupid?

THEY HAVE _______ ____!

>>168970720
big ol' dicks

>>168970596
What a very Grace thing to say