Dueling Network General - /dng/

Thanks for fixing the thread #

>>168629858
First for Noble Knights

1st for fuck konami

What does the current Dark Magician deck look like and what makes it so good?

>>168629858
How are the ching chong overlords reacting to this?

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My time to shine in new rules.

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>>168629858
EXPLANATION FOR NEWCOMERS/CONFUSED FOLK (PART 1):

Fundamental Field Change 1: The Pendulum zone and Magic/Trap Zone have been collapsed together so that you have 3 purely Magic/Trap zones and 2 other zones that act either as Magic/Trap zones or Pendulum zones depending on what you put in it. In other words, if you are using two Pendulum monsters as scales, you now only have 3 open spaces for other magic and trap cards. Likewise, if you are filling all 5 spaces with magic and trap cards, you have no space to place any Pendulum monsters as scales.

Fundamental Field Change 2: Under normal conditions, Extra Deck monsters can no longer be summoned to the traditional 5-slot monster zones (which is now called "Main Monster Zones") from the Extra Deck. They can normally only be summoned to the newly created 2-slot "Extra Monster Zone" that is located in the center of the field between the players, directly in in front of the 2nd and 4th Main Monster Zones (i.e. in front of the 2 Main Monsters Zones that are not the leftmost/rightmost/middle ones). When there are no monsters in either Extra Monster Zone, the Extra Monster Zones are treated as not belonging to either player. The first player to summon an Extra Deck monster will have the ability to choose which of the 2 empty Extra Monster Zones they want to summon the monster in. The instant one of your monsters occupies one of the 2 Extra Monster Zones, the other empty Extra Monster Zone will belong to your opponent and you will no longer be allowed to summon a monster to that other zone as a result i.e. each player can only control 1 Extra Monster Zone at a time. The only way to have more than 1 Extra Deck monster on your side of the field is to utilize one of the newly created Extra Deck Monsters called "Link Monsters".

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Nice bajillion dollars you spend on your Extra Deck just getting it to be semi-useful with the Link monsters

Would be a sham if something were to happen

what do these rule changes mean for gladiator beasts?

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Things that the Link Mechanic killed

>Norden
>Bahamut Shark
>Ultimaya
>Goyo Minions
>Zoodiacs
>Synchro spam decks
>Xyz spam decks
>Fusion spam decks
>Pendulums
>Set 5 (goes down to 3)

Things that are OP thanks to the Links

>Noble Knights
>Lightsworn
>Dinosaurs
>Kozmos
>U.A.

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>>168630093
EXPLANATION FOR NEWCOMERS/CONFUSED FOLK (PART 2):

Link Monsters are a type of Extra Deck monster whose card frame color is dark blue with a hexagonal honeycomb-like pattern. These monsters have neither level nor rank (i.e. they have no stars whatsoever, the space between their name and the picture is blank). Furthermore, where their defense stat would normally be located is instead the text LINK-X, where X is a number that varies depending on the monster. This is the Link Monster's link number. Link Monsters do not have a defense stat. They can NEVER be in defense position under any circumstances.

Steps to summon a Link Monster:

Step 1: Look at its link number.
e.g. Decode Talker is Link-3

Step 2a: Send from your side of the field a number of monsters equal to the Link Number of the Link Monster you want to summon (also keep in mind that you must satisfy the monster material requirement on the Link Monster card)
e.g. Decode Talker is Link-3, so you must send 3 monsters to the graveyard. Specifically in Decode Talker's case, these all must be effect monsters, since it says so on the card.

Step 2b: (Alternative to Step 2a) If one of the monsters that you send to the graveryard for a Link Summon is itself a Link Monster, you can treat that monster as if it were X number of monsters for the purposes of the summon, where X is it's Link Number. (also keep in mind that you must satisfy the monster material requirement on the Link Monster card)
e.g. You send two monsters to the graveyard and summon a Link-2 monster. Now, instead of sending 3 monsters to the graveyard to summon a Link-3 monster, you can instead just send the Link-2 monster + one other monster. Specifically in the case of Decode Talker, these all must be effect monsters and you must use at least two Monsters since it says so on the card, so you can't just use 1 other Link-3 monster.

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Lets party

>Synchro is even more dead then before.
You think Yusei might come out of his lab and make things right again?

>>168630279
EXPLANATION FOR NEWCOMERS/CONFUSED FOLK (PART 3):

Using Link Monsters:

Once the Link Monster is summoned, look at the card picture frame. You will see 8 arrows, some of which are lit up red (the number lit up red is equal to the monster's Link number). Field zones that are in contact with the red link marker arrows are said to be "linked" with that Link Monster. Monster Zones that are linked with a Link Monster become additional Zones that you are allowed to Extra Deck summon in.

If you have a Link Monster in the Extra Monster Zone, and thus now have a Main Monster Zone linked to it where you can now Extra Deck summon, you could summon another Link Monster to the Main Monster Zone to extend the number of monster zones that are linked (i.e. if I summon a Link Monster to my Main Monster Zone that has left or right pointing red link markers, those adjacent zones become linked to that Link Monster and thus I can summon an Extra Deck monster there, even though the it isn't linked to the Link Monster in the Extra Monster Zone). That is how you could still possibly fill the field with Extra Deck monsters even though a Link Monster could have at most 3 bottom links (which would make you think you can only have 3 Main Monster Zone Extra Deck monsters since the Link Monster in the Extra Monster Zone could at most connect to 3 of your Main Monster Zones).

If a Link Monster you control has a red link marker that points to an opponent’s monster zone, it seems that the opponent is able to Extra Deck summon in that zone, so that is a negative. On the other hand, if your Link Monster has an effect that relies on having linked monsters, and your opponent has a monster in a zone linked to your Link Monster, you can benefit from that linkage (an example is Decode Talker, which gains 500 ATK for each linked monster. Since Decode Talker has a top-facing link marker, if your opponent has a monster in the zone ahead of Decode Talker, Decode Talker gains 500 ATK).

Why is decode talker such a piece of garbage that you have to use THREE monsters to summon it if you don't want to play more linkshits

>>168630323
Tribute for Spider ;)

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One billion b-balls dribbling simultaneously throughout the galaxy. One trillion b-balls being slam dunked through a hoop throughout the cosmos. I can feel every single b-ball that has ever existed at my fingertips, I can feel their collective knowledge channeling through my veins. Every jumpshot, every rebound and three-pointer, every layup, dunk and free throw. I am there.

Is there any reason we won't just be playing Master Peace for the next 3 months?

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What other cards will be retrained into link monsters?

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>>168630274
I swear on my bonds I will ore no tan once again

>>168630434
EXPLANATION FOR NEWCOMERS/CONFUSED FOLK (PART 4):

An Extra Deck Monster that is properly summoned and then goes to the graveyard can be revived into any Main Monster Zone, even if that zone is not linked to any Link Monster.

Speculation: Maybe the reason Link Monsters can’t go into defense position (and thus were given no defense) is that changing battle position changes what zones the red link markers point to, and thus change what zones are linked. Konami perhaps wanted to avoid giving players that much flexibility in changing available zones.

Miscellaneous Change 1: Normal Monsters now say “Normal” after their Type in the type line, just like how Effect Monsters say “Effect” after their Type in the type line.

Miscellaneous Change 2: There is now a new type of monster (“type” in the sense of “machine/psychic/etc”, not in the sense of “synchro/fusion/etc”) called “Cybers”.

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>>168630327
>Link Synchron
>Link Warrior
Screencap this

>Implying Konami wont make a very rare spell that makes all your zones linked for the rest of the turn.
>With it there will be no meta changes
>It will go for almost 200 dollars each
>Mandatory to every half decent deck for the rest of the decade.

Pendulum/Link that Links to the Extra Deck space after being destroyed when?

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>>168630560
Hopefully STAR BOY

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>>168630584
>>168630434
>>168630279
>>168630093
JUST

DO

A

PASTEBIN

YOU

FUCKING

PIECE

OF

SHIT

FUCK

YOU

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

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>>168630780
>Retrain of each so that each attribute has generic access to Link
Acceptable

>>168630458

Same as Xyz.

You start out with trash like Illuminight before getting the broken shit like Shock master and ptolemayo.

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>>168628949
Blue means you can summon ED there.

>>168630751
>can't be searched efficiently unless it's a field
>and if it is, you can Typhoon it away

Have Spellcounters gotten any new support in any way?

>>168630006
>How are the ching chong overlords reacting to this?

https://twitter.com/KUJO_KAREN_/status/832571777876234240

Some stores will no longer buy/sell yugioh related products.
Everyone agrees this a very bold move that might fuck up the game beyond repair.

>>168630892
huh, you can link summon with dustons

>>168631051
>stores
>keeps posting that one tweet
(doubt)

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>>168631060
Thus is the fate of all cards that specify summoning methods when we all know more and more new ones will come out.

>>168630745
If we get a Link card that gives you 3 spaces for Extradeck summons and lets you fetch level 1-3 Tuners/non-tuners Synchro might stay on a life-line.

>>168630274
Noble Kkights will never be op as long as Kaijus exists

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>>168630892
>Goatdolche.dek that uses Honeybae
We will never die, simply evolve

>>168630878
I have a feeling there won't be anything that broken with Links.

I mean, they're literally changing how the entire game is played because of how stupid XYZ and extra deck spam got, and even konami can't be dumb enough to attempt to fix it and then revert it all with new generic and broken Links

Can u even make quzzar anymore?

i wonder if anyone realized that a Link Monster's LINK number directly correlates to the number of arrows it has

What the fuck

>>168630458
Even if you use linkshits, you still need 3 non-linkshit monster.
Unless there's Ultimaya/Bahamut for Link monster.

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>Releasing these in the same pack you make a massive rule change
You're a funny guy Konami

>>168631343
Yes, we did. Which is why it is hypothesised that LINK-8 is the max.

>>168631319
yes but you need two links

>>168631343
I was too busy shitposting.

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>>168631489
WOAH

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>check /dng/ after not really keeping up after a month or two
>chaos
>the new monster type has been introduced
>soft reboot of the meta, the old meta is in shambles
>old cards are surging
>tfw I haven't even finished watching Arc-V and only have a barely function grasp on pendulums still
Wew
Can I use my old beatdown deck now? Or my just for fun Skull Servant deck? This seems fun.

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Was this the beginning of the end?

For anyone that collects: what is the a recommended binder to use. By binder I mean regular 3 ring. Was thinking of going with a regular 3 inch zipper binder you would use for school but might opt for basic one. I will be using ultra pro 18 pocket side load pages and kmc sleeves btw.

>>168631170
that tweet alone has 15k interactions + spreads to others
another poll one has 300 or so about how ppl feel neg on it
person who just opened a store posted about loss from this

>>168631280

They introduced xyz as a "balanced" alternative to synchro.

Then xyz ended up more oppresive than synchros ever were. By the third zexal set you had archetypes that looped your entire hand, negated everything, and plussed off killing your opponent's board.

There's no reason to assume it won't happen again.

>>168631343
So far, yeah.
But there might be some quirky outlier in the future like Link-1 monster with 3 arrow, but they all pointed upward

>>168631545
go with the skulls as you have a lawn and princess to play with now

>>168631051
Yeah, and people posted that +12000 lp bullshit on twitter too.

>>168631707
>3 ring binder
Dude no. Ultra Pro makes their own binders. Those rings will break with the lightest of ease and those pages can be torn easily

>>168622967
>Just by this sentence, it means that Extra Deck monster is, as defined by the article, not a monster in Extra Deck.
>It's also not a monster special summoned from ED.
That sentence doesn't imply anything of the sort.

>>168631916
Nice
This'll be fun
The lord is back

>>168631761
They should've keep XYZ cards weaker since they where so easy to access.
but then they released XYZ cards that where both easier to summon and stronger than some of the best synchro monsters.
feelsbadman.

>>168632105

And konami still has the gall to blame the entire extra deck for the game's degeneracy when it was 90% xyz, and 10% norden.

>>168632057
He never left.

>>168632041
Just like there's nothing of the sort there that describes Pendulum as an ED monster.

>>168630781
I want the images to go along with it tho.

Plus people don't read links.

>>168632325
Now to be fair, there are like 3 Synchro cards that are part of the issue.
So make it 89% XYZ, 10% Norden and 1% Synchro.

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The king is dead.

>>168632025
But are those binders made by them even good? I was thinking of going with loose pages because at least they can be replaced unlike the set amount you get from up or monster binders.

Are phantom Knights safe. It's the only arc v archetype I like

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>When you Summon an Extra Deck monster when the Extra Monster Zone is empty, it must be placed there
>You can't summon Extra Deck Monsters of the same card type of the monster in your Extra Monster Zone

Wouldn't this have been a better restriction?

>>168629858
Alright faggots. Dueling Network is dead. Where the hell do I go now?

reminder pendulums were literally untouched

>>168632336
Fair enough.
Skeletons are forever in YGO, and he's the best of the best.

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>>168632548
Long live the king.

>>168632628
>literally untouched
>you have to sacrifice 2 magic/trap slots to use them

>>168632746
So now that they're trying to slow down the game do you think they're going to hit Mermails since they're a super fast and strong OTK deck that doesn't even touch the ED?

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>>168630496
Post builds.

>>168632867
If slowing the game is really their goal they'd be fucking stupid not to delete both Diva and Nep-nep.
But t b h I've moved on to Magic exactly because Konami is fucking stupid, so.

What do the japs think?

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Anon from previous thread here. I asked about Master Peace and I have no idea what I'm doing.

Does this look alright so far or do I need to ditch it?

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Feels good

>thinking the game isn't dead

The japs hate these changes, they literally have never reacted like this before and players are going to be leaving in droves.

>>168633343
They'll come back soon enough.

>>168631598
Actually, inzektors could make something of a comeback.

>>168633343
yeah sure, they did the same for pendulums

>>168632824
so metalfoes can't sit on 3 counters and vanity's anymore
big whoop

>>168631502
It's possible that they will still be good somehow.
But it's interesting. Because the new DDD cards would have been amazing with the old rules.

>>168633141
Wizards is even worse. The new CEO wants MTG to be an e-sport, like hearthstone

>>168633292
Read the OP, holy shit.
https://ocg.xpg.jp/deck/deck_search.fcgi?CardDeck=0&Card=MACR-JP024&Flt=1

Totally agree with Pendulums being continuous spells, good on ya. BUT, WTF with limiting summons from the extra deck. Links are stored in the extra deck..so are they upping to deck to 20? It's already cramped with Fusion, Synchro, XYZ, Pendulums. Seems like this "new change" promotes anti-meta sit on a monster BS. Links die like any other monstes, and if they do then when it dies the other monsters linked to it like XYZ etc etc, die too?! I don't know anymore.

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>>168633292
It usually goes something like this

probably going to need adjustments with rats and baobaboons for LINKs

>>168633670
Wizards is at least capable of having a healthy meta, due to the way the formats work.
Konami:
>prints absurdly OP easy to abuse cards
>"Oh no we ruined the meta!!!"
>bans them
>"now how do we get people to buy cards!!!"
>prints absurdly OP easy to abuse cards
Wizards:
>prints generally balanced cards, has generally diverse formats
>"Oh no how do we get people to buy cards!!!
>oh yeah lol"
>old set cycles out, new set cycles in

>>168633889
>Pendulums being continuous spells
Not really.
Still can't tribute it for Master Peace.

>when it dies the other monsters linked to it like XYZ etc etc, die too
This is like the 17th time this is asked.
The answer is no until further ruling.

RIP YGO

Came here to give my regards to Synchro based decks.

F

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>>168634039
>Wizards
>prints generally balanced cards

>>168634310
F

>all these retards saying that it's still possible to make Quasar

You know, it's also possible to summon Gate Guardian

>>168633521
The only big gameplay change the Pendulum era provided us, in addition to the Pendulum monsters themselves, was that both players could play Field Spells at once, and that the player to go first couldn't draw any cards.

The Link age changes the game completely solely so that Konami could jew it's new monster summoning mechanic on players that rely on the ED. They *could* attract new blood, but at the cost of old fans who don't care about new summoning mechanics and just want good old xyz, fusion and especially synchro decks.

>>168634542
all you need is a 2nd link, it's certainly not perfectly ultimate great moth tier ffs

>>168634039
You don't know shit dude

>Modern has deck called Twin
>it's basically a control deck that could police the meta, ie every deck needed a plan to stop Twin from going off and winning
>Wizards bans it for "format diversity"
>The next week after, Eldrazi Winter happens and becomes the most dominant deck in the history of Magic
>Eldrazi gets one card banned (Press F for Eye of Ugin)
>still all over the place
>thanks to twin getting banned, the format is reduced to linear aggro decks packing silver bullets

>Wizard blocks certain cards from being made anymore because they're "anti-fun"

>prints generally balanced cards, has generally diverse formats
>literally just banned 3 cards in standard and gutted the fuck out dredge and zooicide
>only one card in Aether Revolt is any good

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Get your Tri-Wights, folks. Vanilla Cybers spam is going to be the new wave of the future.

dude card games games on hoverboards lmao

>>168635248
your shit stopped being funny ages ago bucko

What happens if the Link Monster gets destroyed while an Extra Deck Monster is using the Main Monster Zone it has linked?

is the Extra Deck Monster destroyed

RIP Phantom Knights. I can't think of anything to make them playable

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>slowly getting back in
>always a fan of synchro or fusion spam
>this happens
Time to fuck off for another 2 years or so.

>>168634761
>>The next week after, Eldrazi Winter happens and becomes the most dominant deck in the history of Magic
>>Eldrazi gets one card banned (Press F for Eye of Ugin)
>>still all over the place
>>thanks to twin getting banned, the format is reduced to linear aggro decks packing silver bullets

Of all the times correlation didn't imply causation, this is the time correlation least implied causation.

Eldrazi winter had nothing to do with twin. Banning splinter twin didn't suddenly make eye of ugin broken, that came from oath of the gatewatch.

Linear all-in aggro decks are the only kinds of decks capable of being relevant when control can kill you on turn 4. The only thing twin polices is midrange, which is still shit right now because linear aggro STILL destroys it. Linear aggro is just that good, twin isn't some sort of format savior.

>>prints generally balanced cards, has generally diverse formats
>literally just banned 3 cards in standard and gutted the fuck out dredge and zooicide

Less than one event where cards need banning every eight years in a game as competitively tested as magic is a fucking miracle.

>prints generally balanced cards
>prints generally balanced cards
>GENERALLY

>>168635685
all the monsters in the linked zones are destroyed also

I have an elshaddoll grysta in my extra deck zone.

In battle phase i attack. I then activate ESF

which of these 3 plays is legal in neo YGO?

>1.My opponent has no card in their extra deck zone. I fuse grysta with a card in my hand and summon it to my extra deck zone

>2.My opponent has a link card in his extra deck zone that allows me to summon an extra deck card in my regular monster zone. I fuse grysta with a card in my hand and summon it to my EXTRA DECK zone

>3.My opponent has nothing in his extra deck zone. I cant even activate ESF

>>168635689
Blow themselves up a lot.

>>168635685
18th.

>>168635685
Your guess is as good at ours. Mine is no, because you only need the Link Monster there to Summon, not to keep 'em there.

>>168635791
1, 2

>>168635823
Without Burning Abyss PK is meh at best and with the new rules I can only sit on those awful trap cards

>>168630584
So odd eyes absolute can still fill the board, good to know

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XYZ were a mistake and a blight on this world

>>168635685
they stay, you only need linked zones to summon an Extra Deck monster from the ED
you can even move them with some effects like the new link field spell

>>168633443
Actually that's false. The japanese market has FUCKTONS of card games to choose from, yu-gi-oh was only able to keep up due to how their game was structured and the unique playstyle it provided (no base resource, sacky and fast gameplay, many different types of summons and effects that can all be used together to create awesome combos, powerful turns, or crazy comebacks). Now that the game got slower, why would anyone play it over any other generic CCG or TCG seeing as they're all slow as well.

All I know is my petdecks are still alive

>>168636249
Because its Yu-Gi-Oh.

So can any monster attack the extra zone slot monster?

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>one of the only resourceless cardgames out there
>let's tack some restrictions on it to limit what 3 of 5 summoning methods are
I don't understand. This kills so many decks that weren't up to anything and leaves them even more dead in the water. Isn't half the point of a resourceless card game seeing what you can do in one turn with the cards you have?

>>168636249
It'll only be slow for a bit before powercreep. The original Xyz monsters were meh too.

>>168636434
Yes.

calling it now

YGO 7
>You can only Special Summon 1 type of Extra Deck monster (Fusion, Synchro, Xyz, Pendulum, Link) per turn.

YGO 8
>You can only Special Summon 1 monster per turn.

>>168636494
>yugioh
>resourceless

Your cards are your resources m8

>>168636548
But the original Xyz monster doesn't drag the other deck to their level.

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>yfw Ojamas will be making a comeback

>>168636410
Nobody besides children care about brand name in tcgs. If people actually cared they wouldn't quit yu-gi-oh to play other card games. Children don't buy enough merch to keep this game afloat.

>>168636548
Syncro was still fast though. It's not like xyz were the only fast summoning type.

>>168636494
Let's be real. Yugioh was resourceless so it would be similar to the game played in the manga, and because Konami probably didn't think the game would last as long as it has.

>>168636714
Yes but once the link monsters they print improve then the game will get faster.

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>>168630274
>Bahamut Shark
>Pendulums
>Set 5

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>yfw they make a card that fucks up cards through the use of linked cards in the same link

>>168635979
so in the same vein, ptoleme into nova into infinity is still a legal play with no link monsters on the field?

>>168636849
Still the same stuff.
They drag everyone to their level.

>>168636548
Do you not remember dino rabbits?

It's time for that Spell/Trap card dominant deck that I always wanted to make

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But what does it means?

>>168636908
Yes.

>>168636995
You can summon Link monster to MMZ.
News at 11.

>>168636548
>The original Xyz monsters were meh too.

TGU into levi dragon was a thing from day one

and the format after was dino rabbit

youre a retard

>>168636934
I think that's fine. Let's be honest the powercreep was getting out of hand. If Konami didn't do this we'd eventually get to the point where one could win on the first turn

>>168636995
*mean

>>168636754
Most of their product sold is from children and casuals buying single packs, and that isn't just for yugioh. Its the same for the other big TCGs as well.

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>>168630560
I believe

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>>168636995
it means they battle

>>168636849
non-Link monsters and spells/traps, which make linked Zones when?

>>168637131
>we'd eventually get to the point where one could win on the first turn
we already did you fucking retard

>>168636995
It means that Gaia has to shove itself into literally every summoning mechanic other than Pendulum. In this case, it's just trying to be like Force of Earth.

>>168636995
>>168637073
more importantly, if you can get this card into your regular monster zone, all of your monster zones are valid for extra deck summoning

>>168637296
Only the directly adjacent one.

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Can pic related be used to move ED Monsters from the EMZ to the MMZ?

>>168637131
>If Konami didn't do this we'd eventually get to the point where one could win on the first turn
>what's Exodia

>>168637189
I sincerly doubt that, but if you have proof that little timmy spends more money than bulk buying re-sellers I'd love to see it.

>>168637131
>"it's fine to completely turn the game on it's head out of nowhere completely destroying a large amount of decks! On top of that let's make a new monster type that you NEED to buy if you want to use your extra deck! No one will mind!"
>"wtf are you guys all pissed for? We're just changing the game up."

>>168637486
what is the OCG text? the TCG text implies yes

>>168637486
nobody knows

at this point expect all senet cards and ground collapse to get banned/errata'd

>>168637486
I hope you've got your collection of Senet Switchs.
I unironically do. I asked people to give me theirs because the card was so amusing. And they gave them to me. And now I've got dozens.

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>fusion got fucked

NO

>>168637581
Just think of it like rotations like MTG has

>>168637486
Maybe since moving forward/backward is still adjacent.

>>168637202
>first eidolon
>now this
what's next

>>168637747
I don't think anyone played yu-gi-oh for the MTG experience. You can stop shilling now.

Oh boy it's time for Summoned Skull to make it's glorious return

>>168631598
Honestly, I believe that the Xyz era was were it all started to go wrong.

>>168637689
Some fusion decks will probably be fine.
Fluffals is as dead as synchro though.

>Senet Switch increased in price by 2163.64%
jesus christ

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Say goodbye to these buttons ever helping you or making your games quicker and smoother ever again.

>>168637960
No, it was with the EmEm era when everything got out of hand

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>>168637874
Dark fiend monsters

OVERRATED

>>168638049
>EmEm era
>when DRAGONs, DUEA, Nekroz, happened

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OUTTA MY WAY LINK FUCKING SHITS

>>168637960
>Honestly, I believe that the Synchro era was were it all started to go wrong.
Fixed that for you.
Making Summoning without needing specific monsters on the board the norm was the biggest misstep Konami ever took.
>>168629858
This sounds fucking great.
It's back to comfy duels now without having a field of 4 Synchros and 1 rank 10 xyz on your opponents side when you start your first turn. Now duels will get faster the longer they go on.
I have no idea how people think
this isn't great.

>>168637874
More like
>Oh boy Monarchs are back yet again only now they're tier 0!

>>168638034
No cares about useless cards. Watch they'll be two formats. One with links and one without them

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>>168638018
gonna go back to my waifu deck

Will Blue-Eyes be able to compete in the new meta? Surely just being able to spam MD 3k beaters will be worth /something/

>>168638116
Are you seriously implying that any of them were nearly as bad as EmEm?
The fucking era that had to be emergency hit by the banlist in TCG?
Holy shit, you stupid motherfucker.

>>168638160
Don't you mean the Chaos era then?

>>168638160
>It's back to comfy duels now without having a field of 4 Synchros and 1 rank 10 xyz on your opponents side when you start your first turn.
You're underestimating Links. Or overestimating them. Depending on how you view it.
This won't stop people from shitting out those kinds of fields.

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>>168638018
I know Lunalights are not getting the big dick, With kaleido chick, its incredibly easy to summon Leo Dancer on a SINGLE as in ONE as in NO MINUS 4 to summon her like in the tcg right now (and i say -4 because i am considering black sheep, without her, its a flat -5) but they are going to be defenseless, turn 1 boards of drancia, panther and Dragostapelia will not be possible without Link monsters and you can't always rely on your opponent using link monsters consdiering archtypes and decks that do not use the ED will not use Link monsters.

I can always play BLS, banish kaleido chick, get AG punch and them cram in Mustard Peas and swing hard

>>168638123
Oh fuck this thing is actually pretty good

>>168638116
DUEA was objectively the best yugioh meta, followed by DRAGONS and Goat Control

>>168638160
>Tuner

>>168638364
Link solitair when?

>>168638196
Monarchs were an anti-ED deck.
If they can't counter the EDless meta, why would they be tier 0?

Is "Cybers" written with the same kanji as "Cyber"? Because if it is, then Cyber Dragon Core might be able to search any Cybers support card that has the word Cybers in it.

Now that we have two different card types, neither of whom have levels.

Are there any cards that specifically affects cards without levels? No matter whether or not they have ranks or not.

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>>168638392
>Oh fuck this thing is actually pretty good

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>>168638281
>tfw waifu's deck is cucked by this new mechanic
All I can do is sit on Beato as she facesits Dante, get Kaiju'd and cry. BAs are xenophobic so the Link Monsters will cuck them harder than everyone says my waifu cucks me.

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Does the this mean you would only want Link Markers pointing towards your own zones?

>>168638160
>>Honestly, I believe that the Synchro era was were it all started to go wrong.
>Fixed that for you.
>Making Summoning without needing specific monsters on the board the norm was the biggest misstep Konami ever took.
Bullshit. If you genuinely believe that Synchro was where it all started to go wrong, you must first explain why Contact Fusion wasn't a bad thing for the game without contradicting your justification for why Synchro is.

I never thought there would be a time when Rituals would be better than Synchro, Xyz, and Fusion.I'm not talking about something like Nekroz either

>>168638679
Gishki deck out

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>>168638469
Monarchs became a fuck everything you do archetype. They don't even need Dominion.
That said. Dominion can stop Links from even being made in the first place.

But no matter the case. Ehther and Stormforth etc will just violate you over and over from all directions.

>>168637581
The largest buyers of bulk product are big chains like Wal-mart and Target. They only sell packs and blisters. This is the product moved the most. Sealed Boxes are sold mostly online and in hobby shops which casual/children typically don't buy as much.

Now every one gotta buy a starter deck for that new mat

>>168638345
Wasn't Chaos neutered relatively quickly?
Of course I was younger back then, but working on getting the monsters for that one big summon was so great back then. I'd absolutely love to have it back.
>>168638364
Well, at least in the beginning I don't think we'll have fields as retarded as they get now during the first few turns, but as the duel goes on they'll be able to go even creazier, which is absolutely great. Basically the best of both worlds without any kind of drawback or cancer. That's of course if you're not a fat neckbeard who spend all their autismbucks on their extra.

>>168638576
Any zones where the arrows are pointing can be used. That means if an arrow is pointing up, your opponent can use the spot.

>>168638515
>BAs are xenophobic
What is PK fire

>>168638576
Unless there's a Link Monster that can use the opponent's monsters as tribute for its effects.

>>168638754
Don't forget Cyber Angels.

>>168638576
Yes.

>>168638804
Chaos won worlds three times.

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>Extra Deck Monsters, like Fusion, Synchro, Xyz, and Link, cannot be Summnoned to the Main Monster Zone, beware!

FUCKING
W H A T
H
A
T
?????

I leave for two months and this fucking shit happens??

>>168638820
You can use one or the other on a turn. To do multiple XYZs requires Link Monsters, so if you only have BAs on hand, you're cucked.

>>168638754
Okay I forgot to mention that but I was talking about all the other crap no one used

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>>168638284
>tfw rituals are now good

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Is this meta now?

>>168638804
>Wasn't Chaos neutered relatively quickly?
No. Like seriously, just no. It was something like 2004-2007.

>>168638593
Oh fug I completely forgot about that. It's cancerous too, but not as terrible, since the monsters in question are still one of the same archetype and not just literally any fucking monster so that you have 10 staples in your extra.

>>168638779
Those are retailers buying bulk to resell them. Have you ever been to one of those? Men in their 20s either buy them out or 5 finger discount. It's actually crazy how much yu-gi-oh products get stolen over any other card game.

>>168638771
Monarchs are going to be killed. They have to shill Links now

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This year has not been a promising start for card games.
>Wizards consistently fucking up MtG.
>Yugioh kills an absurd amount of decks with this new mechanic, rendering a ton of petdecks completely obsolete.
>Vanguard online got canceled, no locals for Vanguard either.
>Force of Will locals died

>>168638771
monarchs were fine before they made that retarded structure deck.

>>168639093
You do realize this new Link mechanic just made a dozen pet decks completely viable now, yes? The speed of the game just got fucked so hard that even Charmers have a chance to see play now.

>>168639042
>Oh fug I completely forgot about that. It's cancerous too, but not as terrible, since the monsters in question are still one of the same archetype and not just literally any fucking monster so that you have 10 staples in your extra.
Ok, now to take another step backwards.

1) Why didn't Cyber Dragon ruin the game?
2) Why didn't Vampire Lord ruin the game? (easy summon off Pyramid Turtle)
3) Why didn't Chaos ruin the game?
4) Why didn't Injection Fairy Lily ruin the game?
5) Why didn't Summoned Skull ruin the game?

Oh fuck guys. I don't know how much you guys care about the anime but how the hell is Hikokubo going to adapt to Link Summoning?

>>168639093
at least we have pokemon I guess

>>168639082
Retailers don't buy product they can't move. You said kids and casuals don't keep the game a float, but they do. Hobbyists do as well, but you are underestimating casual consumers.

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Pretty interesting how they made Link monsters. With arrows all over the damn place. Where the position of the cards all matter greatly.

And yet. The left or right scale numbers never mattered for Pendulums. And always remained the same on both sides until the end.

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>>168639004
>now good
>now
Do you have memory damage? Do you fucking want another ritual format?

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Link monsters BTFO

>>168639202
>made 3 or 4 petdecks "good"
>made thousand of others unplayable as in not even running anymore
fuck you gently.

>>168639202
A dozen traded for hundreds, you certainly got your money's worth there.

>>168639335
>>168639323
Name FIVE (5) petdecks killed by Link Summon.

>>>/a/153584872

are we?

>>168639308
Nekroz and Gishiki were exceptions

>>168639308
There's nothing inherently bad about a ritual format.

>>168639093
Play Buddyfight.
>>168639276
Pokemon has too much rng to take seriously. Its fun though.

>>168639379
Some part of us are, I suppose.

>>168638469
Reminder that Monarchs completely steamrolled Kozmos even though Kozmos didn't use the extra deck.

>>168639276
>shaymin, the game

No thank you. Pokemon is so close to being good, but a $150 list of staples makes it terrible. At least you can compete in other games with $80 decks.

>>168639296
>Retailers don't buy product they can't move
Actually walmart does buy Magic the Gathering product.

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>>168639305
>Where the position of the cards all matter greatly.
>yugioh becomes chess level shit
>you have to predict the placement of your cards and your opponents

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>>168639308
No I want this link shit fucking deleted, but since Konami is too retarded for that bring back the ritual meta. ALL OF IT

>>168639225
Because all these were relatively slow and your opponent always had at least a turn to react to anything you were going to summon.
Now it's just
>coin flip
>i go first :^)
>i summon 5 staple extra monsters using some of these neat staple extra deck monster summoner fodder monsters
>your move
>oh oh but don't forget that I can negate 3 of your spell and trap cards per turn and any monster summon will be negated if I show you one card in my hand :^)

Great I'm going to resort to playing stall until I get used to this whole thing

>>168639379
/dng/ is fine with everything, no self respect.
Konami wants to shit in your mouth? Fine.

>>168639373
Gem Knights
>Syncrhons
Chronomally
>Gears
Fluffals
>Madolches

>>168639093
>>Yugioh kills an absurd amount of decks with this new mechanic, rendering a ton of petdecks completely obsolete.
Reminds me of when Synchros were new. Only this time, I no longer play with cardboard and thus I feel much happier.

Has turn 1 got even more broke?

Set Solemn, stop their link, they can't do shit, gg.

>>168639379
Half the threads are sperging, half are happy, so yeah.

>>168639524
Why? You should be like me and play Exodia

can someone post some OCG opinions about the new rules?

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>yesterday night vs today
holy shit the price spike

>>168639373
Lunalight
Fusion Elemental Heroes
Yusei decks
Crystrons
Quantum
Aliens
Fluffals
Raidraptors
Resonators/RDD
Predaplants
Gimmick puppets
Chronomaly

etc...

fuck you and konami.

>>168639498
I am no joke cautiously optimistic. I'll admit that it'll probably feel like an entirely different game. And I'll likely miss the old game.
But this new game has potential to be great. I am interested.

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>finally get Deck Masters
>people complain

>>168639237
The same way Zexal was written.
You get a boss and sit your ass on it.
>>168639373
Fluffal
Odd-Eyes
Raid Raptors
Metalfoes
Quantum
Every Synchro mishmash
Madolche

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>>168630560
I want more g1 shit since this kinda helps g1

>>168639426
If I don't have a vanguard local, what makes you think there's buddyfight?

>>168639701
What about this>>168638123

>>168639379
Yes, I only regret that they didn't fuck pendulums as hard as they should have.

>>168639373
Fluffals, Cyber Dragons (their entire OTK swingers are ED monsters), Shaddolls after Construct's ban, fucking anything that special summoned at least ONE fucking monster from the extra deck, if you're not running a Link monster, your deck is literally worse than Venoms. And contrary to what some morons said, that shit will only make Monarch format return because NOBODY will fucking buy into Links and once konami bans the entirely of Monarch, Kozmo and Rituals

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WHERE IS MY COMPETITIVELY VIABLE SEA SERPENT DECK KONAMI

>>168639701
>20 fucking bucks
what have they done

>>168638819
>your opponent can use the spot
Nothing about this is said in the articles.
There's only shit about being Linked to opponent's may boost some effect like the ace monster's ATK gain effect.
But there's nothing about "unlocking" opponent's ED summon in that zone.

>>168639721
List of petdecks that got more viable because of this change:
Everything else.

>>168639379
Hell no.

>>168639745
>Deck Masters
But that's wrong you fucking retard.

>>168639008
Why would it be?

>>168639743
I actually wanted yugioh to somehow be rebooted into something more balanced years ago. Never thought they'd do it and they have with these new rules.

But then again I'm a monarch fag, so I'm happy.

>>168639373
Flamvels/lavalvals
x sabers
synchrons
blackwings
naturia
six sams
FUCKING SUN AND MOON DRAGON INTI FUCK YOU KONAMI THAT IS THE TAMEST FUCKING SHIT AND WASNT EVEN VIABLE YOU DIDNT NEED TO BREAK ITS LEGS

Will we finally get a DM meta

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>>168639721
Aliens had been dead for years I thought
Did they get even worse?

>>168639583
Summon another link duh.
If people want to spam ED monsters they have to go through hoops now.
There will be a degeneracy enabler of blue cards anyway.
Shit is still the same.

ZOMBIES TIER ONE
INZEKTORS TIER ONE
DARK MAGICIAN TIER ONE
LIFE IS FUCKING DANK

>>168639850
Wrong. A bunch of petdecks relied on xyz or sometimes even synchroes as a boost.
And that's not a full list. Every deck that has extra deck monsters, even if not a part of the archetype can be considered hit.

>>168639754
>This was Rex Raptor's "strongest card" after his Red-Eyes was taken away
What a loser

>>168639373
Ghostrick is literally unplayable now since link monsters cant facedown at all.

Angel summon might be way harder too depending on how overlay summons like that end up being ruled

So exodia decks are gud now?

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>>168639850
>List of petdecks that got more viable because of this change
List them then, faggot

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OUTTA MY WAY FUCKING EXTRA DECK SHITS

>>168640080
exodia will always keep on being good, anon

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This Link era is the time for LLs to shine!

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>tfw the special summon spamming with 3 turn duels is finally kill

>>168640087
Shiranui. Shinato. Gishki.

Competitive players will adapt. Casuals will just introduce a no link rule, and play with the old rules. The only group hurt by this are the people who want to be competitive, but artificially gimp themselves by refusing to use new mechanics/extra decks. Honestly I think the game is better off without them.

>>168640089
You still suck BLS, the new rules don't change that.

>BLACKWINGS finally killed for good
BWAHAHAHAWAHAHAHAWAHAHAHAWAHAHAHAWAHAHAHAWAHAHAHAWAHAHAHAWAHAHAHAWAHAHAHAWAHAHAHAWAHAHAHAWAHAHAHAWAHAHAHA

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>All the recent SDs in the OCG don't get fucked over by the new summon mechanic

Feels good

>>168640149
How exactly do LLs benefit from Links?

>>168640149
>can summon 6 level 1 using Rescue Ferret
>if not for the Linked Zone bullshit, of course
Wasted potential.

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>>168640223

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Leave being meta to me.

What obscure stuff do you guys think will get a boost from this? Also how does this affect the gradius ships?

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That's a nice LINK and extra deck monster you got there.
Shame if something were to happen to it

Will dark magician really be tier one or is it just memes? Seriously, what the hell does dark magician have in the main deck besides a 2700 vanilla?

>>168640383
Uhh idk just an easy-peasy BANISH FUCKING EVERYTHING card that will ruin any deck dependent on a Link Summon by rapidly banishing the Link Monster.

>>168640195
>Competitive players will adapt
>adapt
They'll restart.

>>168639373

Not sure if this totally kills Madolches. We already know about Missus Radiant and if I'm interpreting the rules correctly you can either make her with 2 EARTH monsters or 1 normal monster.

1) Summon normal monster (unexpected dai) 2) LINK into Spider
3) Spider effect to summon 2nd normal monster
4) LINK 2nd normal monster into a 2nd spider
5) LINK both Spiders (2 EARTH monsters) into Missus Radiant

The standard Madolche play only needs 2 extra deck slots (Invoker/Leviair + Tiaramisu). The other slots end up being shit like Messengelato or Hootcake.

>>168640019
Yes.
At least when we said decks were "dead" they still were playable for fun. now that's not even the case anymore.

How are GladBeasts good now? What kind of meming is this?

>>168640190
>Shiranui
Links add more steps into the process for getting your synchros on the board, and so far none of them add anything to the deck. Though to be fair, they are likely going to get zombie spam links at some point, as every method does.
>Shinato
>Gishki
Links add nothing to aid them.

>>168640341
They spam monsters ridiculously easily with only few cards.
Can use said cards to summon links. Can still do Xyz or summon even more links.
And then they can summon back all the monsters.

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Rest in piece.
>kills heroes
>kills synchrons

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>>168640367
equip cards

>>168640242
So what will the next SD be? The pattern seems to be Anime Based-Remake-Anime Based-Remake. I was hoping we would get a Yuma deck based on the Onomatopaira archetypes, but with these new rules it wouldn't be as viable.

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>tfw Cubics are good now

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qK6s96Slmq0

>>168640367
Link summon will proc ABC floating effect, so that's nice.

>>168640543
kills more than just those

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>>168640517
Yeah, I just realized that they can't use the gremlin + fortress combo anymore

RIP in pease old friends

>>168640585
Explain

>>168640372
I experienced a fleeting sample of enjoyment from reading your filename.
Thank you.

If we had a generic 1 and 2 link, would the following be possible?

>Activate Union Hangar
>Search for C
>C Equip B
>Link C for a 1Link
>B and C's effect, Search then Summon A (Given you had a mon to legally activate "C")
>2Link using A and 1Link
>Make ABC buster dragon in the linked-up zone
>Set 4 pass

Is this possible?

>>168630274
Herald is also new meta

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>mfw new ojama master race

>>168640531
>Links add nothing to aid them.
Are you retarded?
Literally EVERY meta deck was gutted with this.
Imagine every monster that's not gishki being now a normal monster.
Does that make Gishki monsters stronger?

>>168640585
Damn I'm happy I picked up the deck just last week too

>>168640367
depends how slow things get
maybe we'll see shit like bujins and hat again
anything running demise is instantly more viable

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>>168639093
>shill the fuck out of Duel Links so nostalgiashitters can shut the fuck up
>shill the fuck out of DM to cater to nostalgiafags even more
>shill the fuck out of Legacy of the Duelist with its ridiculous $85 "on-disc" DLC
>rarity whore the living fuck out of Zoodiacs
>create Zoodiacs in the first place
>give them a slap on the wrist even though they accounted for literally 90%+ of the meta
>create Link Monsters, an even more accesible but crappier version of what Xyz initially were
>know they would've been crap out the door, so invent a way to cuck literally every other Summoning method
>literally FORCING you to buy Link monsters and gimp your extra and deck strategy even furhter just to play the deck at all
>create Cybers-type for no real reason
>releases a banlist whenever they feel like it instead of on a goddamned schedule
>bans cards that aren't making them money instead of cards that are actually the problem
>instead of getting rid of the problem cards, just decided to fuck over fucking EVERYTHING but their new shilling toy

THEY CAN'T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH THIS. GOD I FUCKING HATE KONAMI SO DAMN MUCH! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>168641004
How does Gishki get past Invoked, Master Peace, Monarchs, Kozmo, etc?

>>168640959
Yes duh.

>>168641004
>Literally EVERY meta deck was gutted with this.
In the TCG? yeah.
In the OCG? True Dracoslaying doesn't really care.

>>168641131
Then play a different game, faggot. You can't, can you?

>>168631280
synchro was way more fair than xyz you fucking idiot.
>>168631319
Not in 1 turn.
>>168633667
DDD unplayable.
>>168634039
LOL MtG is definitely not balanced
That's why they have set rotation, they get away with printing retarded shit because it's expected for it to be cycled out
>>168633889
Pendulums are Spells, not Continuous Spells.
>>168636548
look at this dumbass that started with ROTD.
And Xyz didn't fucking change the game's rules.
>>168636754
Bullshit. Recognizable brands are recognizable because more people play them, which is why it's nearly impossible to start a new card game on the likes of Yugioh, MtG, or Pokemon, because you need to build a brand first.
>>168630274
lel nobles being op
no.
LS arent going to be that OP either, but they're going to be pretty good. LS might be the very, very, very, very, very slim thing that keeps me in the game.
>>168640223
Blackwings didnt give a shit about extra deck, dumbass. They've been a stupid skill drain deck for about 5 years now.
>>168641149
Well, they still do have the hand loop, if I recall correctly.
>>168641131
I'm selling my cards to buy a Miata, and I'm probably going to crash it.
>>168641339
I can't, I've been playing Quake since I could use a mouse.

How good do red eyes get?

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>>168641131
>releases a banlist whenever they feel like it instead of on a goddamned schedule
>bans cards that aren't making them money instead of cards that are actually the problem
Geez i wonder who is behind this post

>>168640476
I mean they pretty much do already every time something else hot drops.

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>He thinks that the game would actually slow down and not actually speed up

>>168641386
The hand loop that uses Xyz monsters?

>>168641131
I'm just sitting awaiting the return of the comfyness of Yu-Gi-Oh!, but now it'll also have tactical placing of cards and you'll still be able to do retarded combinations later in the game when you'll have the same amount of extra zones as you previously had if not even more.

Looking forward to everybody seeing the light.

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Is that DN clone ever gonna go up?
I wonder if there'll be Xyz era rules. I stopped playing after pendulums

>>168641131
I can understand your frustration.

>>168641472
>enjoying the most cancerous ygo era the most

I'm excited for the new game mechanics. It should spice the game up for a bit.

I also have Nekroz and Ritual Beasts that i can play.

>>168639498
If this keeps up were are going to see an influx of chess masters or the competitive scene is going to paint itself into a hyper specialized niche.
What a time to be alive!

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>>168641575
That's true, I'm just lazy and don't want to learn how to use pendulums

I heard they did boost a few older decks though. Too bad about the new changes

>>168630274
>tfw people called me trash for using noble knight

now they will learn

>>168641131
To be fair Cybers are necessary as a new type, because any deck that runs heavily on Machine-type monsters can be shut down with System Down.

>>168641575
Nobody but nostalgiafags who think killing the summoning methods they hated are planning on enjoying next era though.

>>168640383
It could legit be Tier 1. No memeing.

It can banish easily, swarm the field with level 7 spell casters and can repeatedly revive it's ace. All while heavily disrupting its opponents plays.

Keep in mind, it was a respectable rogue deck before this rule change. With the game slowed down, it's one of the few normal decks that can still win turn 3.