/sthg/ - Sonic The Hedgehog General

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I ship it

fast

>>168467354
Fuck off with your headcanon shipping cancer

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Abandon hope all ye who enter.

Is shipping the worst thing ever or is it the worst thing ever?

>>168467354
I don't personally ship it, but this is cute. Got anymore?

Amy x Blaze > All the parings.

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INCOMING BEST SHIP

And there's nothing you can do about it

>>168467465
In what regard?

>>168467465
It's awful. It's headcanons mixed with shitty fanfics to make the worst cancer. Romance doesn't belong in Sonic in any way, shape, or form

>>168467552
Don't fall for it, anon.

I ship Silver and Blaze as close non-sexual friends who bond over their mutual status as homosexuals

>>168467586
You're right, it belongs in fanart but more specifically porn; preferably well-drawn porn and with non shit-tier fetishes.

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>>168467481
not much sadly

>"Stop acting like a fandom!" One autist screeches to the masses of posters.

>>168467465
>Is shipping the worst thing ever or is it the worst thing ever?
Nah, autists like >>168467413 who get triggered over them are the real problem.

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>>168467761
Well shit.

Quick, post your favorite characters!

>>168467749
Nah. Fanart of things that haven't happened in official media is cancer. It's basically fanfic without being fanfic.

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>>168467693
But I thought Blaze was Silver's imaginary friend?

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>>168467867
I will never be stopped

>>168467692
>>168467516
Ew. Just stop.

>>168467761
I wonder how her relationship would be with this Knuckles since he isn't a professional idiot.

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Reminder that there is a Sonic stream taking place tomorrow!

Holy fuck meme man pls give me time to arrive from work

>>168467905
Yeah that's where the "fan" part comes in.

>>168467772
Fandom is inherently cancer. If the fandom was just discussing things that happened in the games and other official media and drawing scenes/characters from official media then it'd be fine. But headcanon and fanfic cancer makes it shit

>>168467979
It looks like Sticks is gonna be added to the game universe, so we may see it.

>>168468010
Stop.

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>>168467908
>Blaze is just Silver's imaginary friend in 06
>Blaze's sacrifice is also 06's explanation for Blaze's dimension existing
>this means that Silver literally willed his imaginary waifu to life

>>168468008
But anything the "fans" make is shit, because it's different and trying to be better or at least equivalent to official media. They're trying to do Sega's job of doing things with the characters, and that's wrong

>>168468010
Dedede

I need context for this one

>>168467905
The fuck kind of logic is that? So now fanart is cancer, because it's not official? What's the point?

>>168468035
>>168468164
I disagree. I enjoy some of the things fans make.

>>168468223
The point is that it's shit and cancer. That's my point
>>168468254
You just have low standards then

>>168468223
Stop responding to shitposters.

>>168468390
Then how will we ever reach bump limit?

>>168468456
Very carefully.

>>168468497
Footfags should be gassed

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>>168468456
Not talking to people that come from a board dedicated to jerking off to porn?

Anyways, what is your favorite type of Sonic music?

>>168468164
So how do you feel about Sonic Mania?

>>168467979
I'm more curious about what her relationship with the mainline characters would be like, especially with her close friends and Eggman.

>>168468570
Fan-made remixes.

>>168468594
It's official so it's fine.

>>168468618
My guess is that it would be similar to their interactions in Boom. That being said, I don't know how her relationship with Amy would be.

>>168468619
Shit taste
>>168468570
I like the more guitar heavy stuff myself

>>168468570
Shit, I really like nearly all of the music in this franchise. I guess Knuckles' songs in the Adventure games are my favorite, with or without the lyrics.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rdEA_Z-cTY

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>>168467516
>Filename
>All these other pics
Wait a second, the underboob isn't what's supposed to be the focus here, it's the feet!

>>168468698
Yeah. Amy, just like Knuckles, is one of characters from the mainline games I wonder about.

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>Under 100 posts
>This thread

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>>168468956
>Red
>Burning Blaze
>Super form unable to break out of a simple tickling foot fetish trap
This has gone far enough.

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>>168469175
Only one thing left to do.

>"Fanart isn't cancer" they said.

>>168467241
Thanks for adding the reminder at the bottom. Someday it will be followed, I hope.

Where's the Swatbot at?

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>>168468570
>what is your favorite type of Sonic music?
Vocal / Character themes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHb6sza5mZs

>>168469282
Well, I think you've been doing a great job with her so far, mate.

>>168468760
Not that anon, but fanmade remixes can be done well. That being said, they're not my favorite genre.

>>168467465
I think Stabbing children is way worse, but depends on your priority.

>>168468570
Unleashed night music. Comfy as fuck.

>>168469503
>Not that anon, but fanmade remixes can be done well.
No they can't. They're fans. Not professionals

what triggered this anon so much he started spamming feet

>>168467979
I like to think Knuckles and Sticks would relate a lot. Sticks is kind of a feral wild child and Knuckles is a lone wolf raised in the wild jungles of angel island. They'd probably be kindred spirits, somewhat.

>>168469639
Obviously this is bait but it gives me an excuse to post some Tee Lopes so thanks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Vp5aMPAUYQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VU2BImK9v9w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGR5fTO2oio

>>168469690
The fact that fanart and fanfics are cancer triggered him so hard he started shitposting furiously

>>168469578
Shame about the battle theme interrupting far too often.

>>168469639
The only difference between "fan" and "professional" is whether you're being paid for it. "Professional" musicians gave us Chronicles and Labyrinth music.

>>168469639
You're implying you cannot be both.

>>168469780
Thanks, mate.

>>168469827
Pros are skilled enough to be hired. Tee Lopes is good because he's a professional. Being a pro means he was worthy of being hired

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>>168469927

>>168469927
But he's also a fan? So anything he made was still a fan work.

In fact lots of people who make fan compositions may be hired to freelance and make musical compositions for other things. Just not sonic related. Most people have interests outside of their careers.

>>168469927
Ah, but before he was hired he was simply a fan. The only thing that made him a professional was that somebody decided to hire him. That has nothing to do with his skill, although we're obviously glad that they hired someone good.

>>168470091
Being a prio retroactively makes his previous stuff good, because since he was good enough to be hired, that means he's good

>>168469639
Why are you on this so much? Are you a bitter Sega employe?

>>168469639
I guess professionals can't be fans of anything

>>168470202
No. I'm tired of people praising shitty fans and saying they're better than official people working on the games

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>>168469927
>Relying on the profiteering employment decisions of corporations to determine your tastes in art

>>168470202
Shitposting, obviously. Don't reply to him.

>>168470314
But sometimes they are.

>>168470314
Well, that's fine, because it would hopefully push the official makers to get better.

>>168470397
No they're not. IF they were good they'd be working on the games and not shitty fan projects.

Anyone who says the fans are better are just ungrateful assholes who don't appreciate what Sega does

Instead of replying to shitposts, post your favorite fan remixes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MfyIolAay8

>>168470567
>IF they were good they'd be working on the games and not shitty fan projects.
Looks somebody doesn't know the world of business.

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>>168470726
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5fFT_KpBJ8

>>168466883
And cock

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>>168470567
Honestly curious here, what are your completely sincere thoughts on Penders?

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>>168470726
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHFmtT8ra6A

>>168470567
If some random dude discovered how to make time travel possble, should we disregard him because he doesn't have an official degree in science?

>>168470814
>>168470938
Not what I was expecting but I'll take it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38q9ALx7imI

>>168467241
>>168467354
>>168467537
>>168467761
>>168467867
>>168467908
>>168468927
>>168469328
Please stop posting off topic images. Fanart is not allowed in /vg/
Now. What's the best obscure sonic game?
>>168470726
The entire Project Chaos album.

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>>168471101
Sonic's too cool for the rules

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>>168471040
Yeah i thought something like this would be a little tricky.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nkh4OYRYzXY&index=17&list=PLL0CQjrcN8D1D-__Ue-e03yMLXYbDCxnA

>>168469715
Knuckles first contact with civilization is Sonic 3K and Sonic Adventure.

Sticks obviously had contact with civilization because of her conspiracy nature.

So why is Knuckles infinitely more civilized than Sticks?

>>168470969
If some random dude pointed towards a shitty phone booth down a dark alley and told you that you could travel through time in it, you wouldn't trust him, right?

So why trust an artist not on Sega's payroll to have decent art?

>>168470938
https://youtu.be/Jaj4Nka_IBM

>>168471341
Knuckles didn't reject civilization.

>>168471378
This. The only media you should really consume is that by well known companies, not 2 bit nobody fans or literally whos

>>168471586
I mean, even before Sonic 3, Knuckles was civilized. He has the same kind of clothes and overall style and mentality and whatever that Sonic, Tails, and others have. Sticks had more contact with civilization growing up, and ended up less civilized.

>>168471953
Like I said, Knuckles didn't reject it.

>>168471953
Knuckles had an entire species' lineage of wisdom to fall back on. Sticks didn't and her parents MAYBE didn't abandon her.

>>168471953
Doesn't really make sense. If anything, Knuckles should be more like a feral brute than anything. Can't talk or read and just screeches loudly and is scared by technology. More like a regular dog than like Sonic and co.

>>168471341
>>168471953
They just don't know what to do with knuckles. In sonic 3 he's meant to be an ignorant native but they also want to keep him as a worldy treasure hunter. Knuckle's character is a weird amalgam of these traits, which is confusing because you'd think he had and would continue to live on angel island, but he's almost always seen off island with Sonic and tails (and more recently amy)

>>168473126
Literally all they need to do with Knuckles is mention how he has friends on Angel Island protecting the Master Emerald and that he's traveling the world to look for ancient echidna shit in addition to whatever Sonic's up to.

>>168473348
>Literally all they need to do with Knuckles is mention how he has friends on Angel Island protecting the Master Emerald
Like Shade.

>>168473348

>expecting Sega to give half an ass about continuity

>>168473126
What they need to do is just keep him on the island and remove the friendship with Sonic. He only shows up when the Master Emerald does, and he's hyper protective of it

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>>168471101
>Fanart is not allowed in /vg/

>>168475705
Awesome.

>>168475705
Anyone else find Sticks hot in that dress?

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>>168476585
I find Sticks pretty hot to begin with

>>168476667
>>168476585
Sticks is built for breeding. She'd probably break your pelvis and ruin your sheets but she'd be good at it.

>>168477407
Sorry. Pelvis crushing is for Amazonian women only.

>>168477407
>She insists you finish inside each time so aliens can't steal your sperm and clone you for infiltration purposes

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What is that keeps you coming back to the franchise?

Story and characters? Music? Gameplay? Something else?

It's gameplay for me. It's why I'm hyped for Mania and hesitant about Project 2017. I don't care what the story is, or in principle what Zones show up in Mania, I've got an all but guaranteed to be solid gameplay experience waiting for me.

I used to be a huge storyfag, but sometime between 06 and Unleashed I just completely stopped caring. I grew out of it. Which I don't mean in a "only KIDS like that shit" sort of way, but more in a "my interests moved on to different places" sort of way.

What about you guys?

>>168478028

wait, we can leave?

>>168478028
The gameplay above anything else. Most cutsceans I skip because of how cringy they are, but Sonic gameplay is usually tops.

>>168478157
Easily. Many many people have.

>>168478028
Used to be the characters, now it's the characters and world. I think I've realized exactly WHY Sonic is so attractive to OC makers. I'm the opposite of you actually, anon. I used to give 0 shits about the story for most of my years as a fan. It wasn't until The Ride that I started paying attention to the characters and world, and that's what hooked me. Gameplay matters to me also though. That's why I can replay Sonic 2 over and over and over, same with Generations

>>168478028
Music, the comic, and the fanart, easily.

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>>168478028
Childhood nostalgia, and I'm not afraid to admit it.

>>168478307
Oh, and also this >>168478339 . The comic was basically everything I had always wanted from Sonic when I was a kid without even realizing it

>>168478307
Comics is a separate thing though.

As a storyfag myself though, it really scratches that itch and then some in places I didn't know I had.

Outside of that, the gameplay.>>168478028

>>168478028
comics Sonic Boom cartoon and gameplay

>>168478629
>>168478629
>As a storyfag myself though, it really scratches that itch and then some in places I didn't know I had.
>Outside of that, the gameplay.>>168478028

I think that's what I was trying to get at but did so in the most roundabout way possible
For the games, the gameplay matters the most, but the story plays a decent part in it, and the combination of both being bad is why I dropped Lost World and why I came really close to dropping Shadow

>>168478028
I'd say the gameplay, characters & story. I'm looking forward to Mania because I know the gameplay there is gonna be really good, & the addition of Tails & Knuckles as playables is a major plus to me (although I wish we'd gotten a playable Amy & Metal too. Ah well.)

I'm also optimistic about Project 2017, because the story looks like it's finally gonna be something I'll be entertained by, which hasn't been the case since Unleashed. I'm disappointed by what looks to be a lack of playable characters that isn't just Sonic, but if SEGA finally find a good gameplay styled for 3D Sonic in P17 & stick with it going forward, I have hope they'll reintroduce Tails, Knuckles, Amy etc. in the 3D games down the line.

And I'm loving the comics, because as someone who's a fan of a ton of characters in the series, it scratches that itch of seeing them do things, & it's also been giving me the entertaining stories I've been missing in the main games for the last few years.

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>>168477407
>>168477454
Snu Snu

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she's going to be in Sonic 17 we all know it

>>168481534
>Sonic 17 actually references to previous games in a fully fleshed out and thoughtful manner
>Other characters are actually used in the story as more than just cheerleaders and are all in character
>At the end it's all revealed to be some crazy story Sticks came up with is and telling the other Boom characters

>>168481718
>Implying Boom isn't a crazy story made by the game Sticks.

>>168481534
>Sticks makes it in the games before the FF.
Archiefags/SatAMfags BTFO.

>>168481718
You'll wish. Alas.

>>168478028
Characters, stories, settings, games, comics, and cartoons. Never have I thought I be a genuine Sonic fan

>>168482086
Sticks was created by Sega Team. What else, anon?

https://youtu.be/6JxehLD7Zuo

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This may be weird to ask, but are we ever going to get something like the Mazuri Freedom Fighters or some important characters from Efrika?

I just want some African animal cuties in my waifu list.

>>168484547
Probably not. This isn't the pre-reboot where everyone had an FF group. In fact, it seems like there's really only 2 legit FF groups: Avalon and Shijin, and Shijin is basically Dulcy's reject squad

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Bumping thread before going to bed, goodnight /sthg/.

>>168487460
Goodnight, anon

>>168484691
Ah well then. I kind of see that as a plus, anyway. I just want a mobian cheetah girl or a zebra or something.

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who do you think will be in Sonic 17

>>168488953
Sonic, Classic Sonic, Eggman, Orbot, Cubot, Tails, Knuckles, Amy, & Sticks. Now whether the last 4 will do anything, I'm not so sure about.

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bump before I go to bed

>>168489967
Night anon!

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New Sonic Channel wallpaper.

It's fine, but man, do I miss the old ones.

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Night guys.

Black doom is back!
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1v7F2xtkt3e

>>168491741
Kill (You)r self

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Everyone's asleep.

This is now Eggman General.

Post Eggman.

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>>168492424

>>168492424
No

Gute Nacht

>>168492264
http://vocaroo.com/i/s1PsK74zCbkh

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>>168476585
Of course

>>168478028
>Story and characters?

Yes

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>>168467241
Which is the best release of this game? DC/GC/PS3/360/PC ?

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>>168478028
>I used to be a huge storyfag
The definitive method of storytelling in Sonic games was showcased by S3K. Somewhat akin to Metroid, "story" is really just conveyed subtext.

Not one word of dialog is shown or spoken in the entire game, yet hundreds of thousands of people can essentially fully agree on the events and meaning of the game.

For example (easy mode), what is the mural on the background of Hidden Palace?
What is Knuckles' relationship to the Master Emerald? How does he feel about it?
What was Robotnik up to in, say, Mushroom Hill?

Almost everyone can agree on these things without any canonical dialog to fall back on. The manual barely mentions parts, says nothing at all about others. And that's if anyone has read a word of it anyway.

But they game conveyed that meaning through powerful, understood subtext. This augmented the gameplay as, on repeated playthroughs, the message of the subtext would be repeated and reconsidered. This is the highest form of game storytelling.

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>>168496436
Also I found this googling. Enjoy.

>>168473348

They're so against the idea of Knuckles having friends look after the ME while he's gone, his solution to keeping it safe in Runners was moving it to a random secret lava place.

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>>168493158
Was there an episode thwre she's in this dress?

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>>168478028
Well, I don't know.

I like series with better music, the gameplay is kinda simplistic and there have been other platformers with tighter controls, the characters aren't 1-dimensional but they aren't exactly Raiden from MGS tier.

But I've stayed with this series my entire life, I look forward to new Sonic games, I read the comics, I think up Sonic related shit in my head at work. I guess, I thought Sonic was cool as shit back in the day. And he wasn't, he was 90's attitude in a move made to rival Mario, and the 90's by and large was trash.

But something about Sonic still speaks out to the kid in me that thought things were cool.
The same kind of thing that makes me secretly want to buy leather jackets and have a mullet.

And also the fact I've bought every other Sonic game, it's kind of tradition to keep playing them now.

Why I come here I'll never know though.

>>168490556
Holy fuck, not only I miss the other art style and drawings, but this new style is super ugly. I'm a huge characterfag and Shadowfag and even I don't like this.

>>168478028
The things that don't just keep me coming back but actually prevent me from even leaving are the art style and characters.

While it takes much more than that to make good game, it's what keeps me invested in the franchise. I can have fun with other great games, even if they're a completely different genre, but this franchise is the only way I'll get more of the characters.

>>168490556
It's trash

>>168484347
nice
I think a lot of the complaints from SA1 ageing comes from the cut scenes. They would exist of course but the lack of lip syncing and repeat animations really give the wrong first impression.

>>168497474
yeah where she wins an award from the town hall or something

>>168504107
has a nice ass

so I recently heard of the four humours/personality types. I heard them apply to the ninja turtles and wonder if can apply to the Sonic cast

humour
blood - courageous,hopeful - Sonic
Yellow bile - short tempered, ambitious - Amy Rose
Black bile - introspective, sentimental - Knuckles*
phlegm - calm, unemotional - Tails

*based his adventure days

>>168504725

Both Amy and Knuckles fall under yellow bile, really. That's probably why they don't gel together that well in the main games, and why they gel better in Boom where Knuckles isn't so confrontational and angry.

>>168504816
knuckles is quite varied, strangely enough I got this from a cracked video. The weird thing is that they stated Rapheal from the TMNT is Blood when he would proberly be yellow bile as well.

speaking of Rapheal I thought that might be a decent template for knuckles, the hot head tough guy as appose to the dumb one. although I do like the noble guardian trope as well.

Which Android emulators do you recommend? weeks ago I've bought a Samsung Galaxy J3, and well, I forgot I could play the games on my phone.

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Is there any way to play Sonic Runners on my smartphone?

>>168507948
Nope. It's dead Jim

>>168506935
BlueStacks I think.

>>168507948
No. Runners is dead. They shut down servers for it.

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sonic games you've never tried and never will

>>168509115
Sonic 06. Never ever.

>>168509115

I'm not paying $20 to play 06.

>>168509286
>>168509395
I played sonic 06, I saw the various let's plays and thought I should at least try all the main games in the series. I got it for 10 pounds, don't hate it I knew what I was getting myself in for.


I'll add this, I'm definitely not curious about this one. In fact I don't want it supported and urge people not to buy on the WiiU virtual console.

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>>168509630
p.s. forgot to add it was rise of lyric of course

GIVE ME CHAOS!

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>>168509115
>>168509646
These two and probably the Riders series

Archie and Marvel are collaborating to do a Marvel Digest.

https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/02/16/archie-publish-marvel-comics-big-box-stores-newstands/

>>168509115
This is Shuffle for me

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>your favourite character is associated with the worst of the worst the franchise has to offer

life is suffering

>>168513715
Ha ha

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http://www.argos.co.uk/product/6819099

Brb preordering the Switch

>>168507948
>>168508115
Pretty sure someone developed a server for the game.

>>168515258
please

>>168515258
Someone from Retro, but I think it got abandoned.

>>168515258
Someone on SonicRetro I think said they were gonna make a custom server for it, but that was months ago, and I haven't heard shit about it for months.

>>168500367
I think that the writing and voice acting have aged poorly as well.

>>168496436
I agree with all of this.

>>168496436
Honestly, I'm not one of those people who thinks Sonic games should have no voice acting, but the S3&K style of storytellng is perfect for the Classic games.

>>168496436
I see this opinion come up often, and every time I see it, I can tell that you're all missing one big point.

Sonic 3 and Knuckles doesn't have dialogue and stuff in-game because it was a different time back then. The Genesis doesn't have that kind of space for that stuff. Once they had the capacity to do a bigger, more in-depth story with dialogue and everything, they did with Sonic Adventure. Sonic 3 and Knuckles is a big step towards Sonic Adventure, and the fact many seem to miss this is just... just... I don't know.

>>168516158
That technology allows for something, doesn't make doing it a good idea.

>>168514721
>$60
I certainly hope that's not retail price. I'm sorry but unless this game is a 6 hour + game, that seems pretty steep.

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>>168512840
>Marvel

Not even once.

>>168516357
The collector's edition was like $70. Everything on that page is likely placeholders.

>>168516158
That's a very good point. The Modern games are completely capable of telling a good story, as shown in things like Gamma's story in SA1.

Dialogue being in a Sonic game is not the problem, you just need people competent at what they're doing.

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>>168514721
>Release date: autumn 2017

>>168512209
Big breasts just don't work on style-accurate Sonic characters because they have to be so outlandishly big just to make any impression.

Like, this Rouge is normal-head size. It's silly.
Also lol lazy eye.

>>168516593
Gamma's story is about the only one in the franchise that I would place alongside 3K's.

The dialog was minimal. So much was communicated without exposition. And none of it required excessively hammy, obnoxious banter.

>>168516158
Except games like Pulseman, Beyond Oasis, etc prove that to be completely bogus.

You could have given dialogue to the cutscenes in S3K easily.
But why would you?

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>>168513160
Is she wearing any bottoms?

>>168517050
Read the title

>>168516940
Honestly I think Sonic would be better off without dialogue, or at least VAs at this point. The best stories in the games have neither of those, or at least minimal amounts of those. Also, the voice acting is usually bad, as is the dialogue

>>168516940
IMO, 3Ks was good, but it's one that can be matched easily with dialog. Again, competent writers can do it, but SEGA doesn't seem to have any, at least for the games.

I don't know, complaining bout dialog being in a Sonic game just reminds me of when people bitched about 3D gameplay, or "Sonic's shitty friends," that being, that those things aren't the problem, it's how they've been used.

>>168517425
Well you have Sonic Mania, & Project 2017 will be for those who do like dialog in their Sonic game.

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>>168517375
Damn!
Shame that exaggerated cheek kinda ruins it

>>168516158
i don't think sonic needs a vow of silence but I would like to seem them try. the scenes having the feel of a 40's short cartoon.

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Post bareblob, quick!

>>168517859
>40's cartoon

You mean a 20's cartoon, then again Tom and Jerry were silent.

Really, having Sonic be silent when he's talked for so long would feel strange, but it could work.

>>168517736
I can try to edit it myself.

>>168518010
the best option would be to use dialogue sparingly, only have sonic speaks when he needs to.

like when he faces the bosses' in sonic colours. instead of jabbering on he just goes after them. The mirror scene in generations is a perfect example.

>>168518010
It'd probably be better since he's obnoxious whenever he opens his mouth. Either tone down the attitude to basically being the very rare quip or just shut him up

>>168517461
Right, and I get that, but you have to look into Sonic's personality. He's cool. He's too cool for school.

When you have someone conveying that orally, I think it's just flat out obnoxious. Far from enhancing what can already be competently conveyed visually, something like that actively takes me out of the moment. It's less cool as a result. It's "look at this giant faggot TELLING us how cool he is, rather than just being cool".

Compare CD's opening cutscene with Adventure's. I can't imagine Jaleel White making some snappy 90's radicool one liners at points throughout CD's intro actually enhancing it. On the contrary, it would make viewing it 20 years late all the more painful.

What's hip to say will change with time. I think being a relatively mute badass is more timeless than decade-specific lingo.

And I think that yes, it's conceivably possible that with the right team, they COULD get it right (even though I can't imagine what that would even look like). It's possible to get 3D right. It's possible to use Sonic's Shitty Friends™ right. (these latter two would be much easier to get right, I think)

Given the choice between continuing to get it wrong because you can't seem to figure out what you're screwing up, and just not trying anymore, I think not trying anymore is the more dignified approach. Sonic has to talk? At least have his obnoxious dialog be ironic. Can't think of a good way to make a 3D platformer? Make a 2D platformer and a 3D racing game. Can't think of a reasonable way to handle Sonic's friends? Stop handing them.

>>168518675
Exactly. And seeing as they can't handle most of those things. Having a relatively mute Sonjc fight Eggman sans friends in 2D while having 3D racing games seems like the best option

>>168518762
Mania might remind Sonic Team that gameplay wise, Sonic's friends can play exactly like him with slight tweaks.

>>168519031
True, but they can't get Sonic right anyways. Plus even outside of gameplay they're handled like shit and most people hate them being there so just don't have them. Keep them in the racing games or spinoffs or whatever

>>168513160
Need more lewd Roxy

>>168497920
>he was 90's attitude in a move made to rival Mario, and the 90's by and large was trash.
Is that marketing thing? Cartoon/comics thing? Because I never get why people say that.

>>168519140
We'll see what 2017's gameplay actually is. "Action Adventure" is definitely a farcry from an accurate description of Unleashed/Generations' borderline racing gameplay.

Even then, though. I think re-tooling the Boost gameplay into a spinoff of racing games would be great. Multiple playable characters with different types of boost, multiplayer, etc.

>>168518675
Yeah, I disagree with the idea that if you can't do it right then stop trying, when SEGA has shown that they CAN get it right. Sonic's boost ganeplay was the most praised playstyle the series has had in ages, so it's easy to just take Sonic's friends, give them the same style with some tweaks, & there wouldn't be an issue.

As for storytelling? I'm gonna sound weird for saying this, but the birthday event in Sonic Runners had some really fun writing, with the character interactions, nothing feeling obnoxious, & it was all done through dialog.

SEGA has people who can make the things you've mentioned great, but they just haven't been using them consistently. Thankfully with P2017 being made by the same team of Colors & Gens, they may finally start to do so.

>>168519476
If SEGA's advertising P17 as being done by the same team who made Colors & Generations, it's most likely gonna feature the return of Boost, especially with Sonic boosting in the trailer. And besides, Sonic has always been an Action/Adventure series.

>>168519723
boost gameplay*

>>168519723
If they fail to get it right for at least a decade, they need to take a step back, stop blindly trying new stuff, and actually develop a solid foundation. If they can't do that, they should at least stop embarrassing themselves and try something different.

I wouldn't call the Boost gameplay a "3D platformer". It ranges from a 2D platformer to a 3D racing game. That's what I was trying to get at. They stopped trying to make a 3D Sonic platformer after 06 it feels like. And that's fine. If they can't seem to avoid bloating it with horribly thought-out ideas that don't mesh well together, then they might need a break.

I agree that the Boost stuff is good, and nothing about it necessitates Sonic being the sole playable character. They should definitely add more characters with some slight tweaks to it.

Didn't catch the Runners birthday event.

>>168519913
I hate the "Action/Adventure" genre designation, because it's the most vague thing you could possibly label game as. Wikipedia and Sonic Retro only label some of the 3D games as Action/Adventure, and not even all of the same ones. I'll concede that they're all arguably Action/Adventure, though, due simply to how vague and broad the genre is.

More Boost would be good, but it wouldn't be a 3D platformer.

>>168520603
Honestly, if SEGA is still "trying to get Sonic's gameplay right," which I think Aaron Webber said in an interview a few months back, then it wouldn't surprise me if they're working on how to make Boost work, without it being more of a 3D Racing game, than platformer game. Maybe the Boost will be more like the way it was in Advance, but in a 3D environment? I guess we'll have to wait & see.

Man, it feels good to have a discussion on Sonic's gameplay in here without it devolving into shitposting.

>>168469812
Yeah, instead of maybe going the Phantasy Star Online route and intensify each night stage music.

>>168521224
when it comes to boost I would like it if I could steer better. there's the drift but I would prefer steering.

like the turbo nozzle form mario sunshine or the charge move in spyro.

>>168516805
Whatever nerd, still looks good.

>>168521224
If they can more seamlessly integrate some platforming, that would be cool.

But like, again, if they're STILL "trying to get Sonic's gameplay right" after almost 20 years, then I think it's about time to just pass the torch to a new generation.

Several fans have demonstrated that they at least have a much better gameplay foundation than Sonic Team are willing/able to cook up. Imagine the foundation laid out by GHP or Utopia with the budget that Sega could provide to turn them into full games. And then for Storyfags they can just have Flynn write.

I'll give 2017 a chance. But if it still falls short of "absolutely finally completely fucking nailing it", they definitely need to throw in the towel.

Or just Iizuka. It would be unsurprising for him to be the root cause of a LOT of the problems.

>>168522941
He was apparently blown away be the reaction to Mania, so definitely get rid of him.

Honestly I'd like if they mixed the lost world and adventure kinda gameplay. But both of them suffer from the same issue with most 3D sonic games. And that's the lack of conservation of momentum and momentum based physics.

If we can finally get a 3D sonic game that nails that I'll be all over it. That's why I love Utopia so much.

>>168522941
>Or just Iizuka. It would be unsurprising for him to be the root cause of a LOT of the problems.
It shouldn't be surprising if people actually read the fucking developer interviews.

>hurr we have more characters in Adventure 1 because we want to appeal to non-Sonic fans
>hurr we make Shadow because fans want dark story with guns
>hurr we get rid of friends because people reacted negatively
>hurr we make Sonic 4 because people want 2D game
He's a moron.

>>168522941
Oh agreed. It's complete bullshit that after 19 years, they're still having trouble getting it right, while fans have laid out a great foundation for 3D Sonic in one fucking attempt. I mean, that's not even getting into the fact that they had bring in Taxman, so Classicfags can finally get a worthwhile successor to the Classic games in Mania. I'm hopeful for P17, but it should not have taken this long for them to (hopefully) get it right.

As for Iizuka, he probably does need to go at this point. If he was shocked at the reaction for Sonic Mania, that says a lot about how in touch with Sonic fans he is.

Has anyone ever tried cutting together the alternate versions of scenes in Sonic Adventure? Like...uh...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjUgfunJu84
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ys_NcL7xjtg

>T: Hey Sonic, long time no see, huh?
>S: I'm just glad you're ok. What happened anyway? You're too good of a pilot to just crash like that.
>T: Yeah, it's just that I'm testing a new prototype power supply, and it's not fully compatible yet.
>S: Why not just use my plane, The Tornado?
>T: Thanks, Sonic. But if I can make this work, it'll run circles around yours. Check out this power supply!
>S: Woah! A Chaos Emerald!
>T: I was lucky to find one of the seven Chaos Emeralds. They have unlimited mystic power. Now I want to harness that power to fly my plane. Let's go to my workshop in the Mystic Ruins and I'll show you what I've been working on. We'll go to the station, hop on a train, and we'll get there in to time.

Having the lines each character says be THEIR version of their own line from their own story?

>>168523905
I genuinely think they should hire the Utopia devs or GHP devs because it's clear that they have some understanding of what people want out of 3D Sonic at least in terms of gameplay and level design

They need more fans on the dev team, since it's readily clear that Sega is out of touch with the fans, at least the higher ups are

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>>168521224
Advance 2 styled Boost in 3D is a great idea. Speed that takes skill to get. Add in the trick system and it could be great

>>168524159
The problem with both is that the ideas can just come from any idea guy. Sonic, more than any other platformer, completely falls on its ass with shoddy level design, and you need actual professionals to handle that. To be frank, it was the biggest concern I had with Mania until we saw the actual gameplay footage.

>>168523827
Utopia is great.
its looks classic, which it is but It feels like a developed version of the adventure style as well.

>>168524350
>you need actual professionals to handle that.
Someone being paid to do something doesn't mean that they're better at it. And we've seen how bad the professionals are at level design:

>>168524630
>developed version of the adventure style as well.
Wat?

>>168524801
>>168524630
Yeah I wouldn't really compare it to Adventure in any other way than having push button spindash (and peelout).

>>168524801
basically if they tried to do adventure gameplay again I would like it if they took a few tips from Utopia.

like rolling and the way they handled running on walls, which in SA1 never felt quite right.

>>168525029
... so how the classics did it, but in 3D.

... so basically utopia.

>>168524770
Okay, but to be honest neither GP nor Utopia provide a level design philosophy that you can build a game around. This is understandable and not something to knock either for because both were designed as single-act tech demos instead of full games, but you can't simply say "just take these and make them full games" without a dedicated team of people fine-tuning the level design under effective direction. The point is, you don't need the Utopia and GHP creators to make a good 3D Sonic game, you just need a guy in charge who has the right ideas on how the game should go about.

>>168525563
I don't really want Utopia's LEVEL design. That's honestly the weakest part. There's too many moments of running, unhindered for long periods of time.

But I want the PHYSICS of Utopia, certainly.

Ladies and Gentlemen...

I give to you...

The very first Sonic fan game

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYT28un2pEY

>>168525734
How do we know it's the first?

>>168525725
i bought up adventure in regards to utopia.

I was thinking of running on the wall of emerald coast or rolling down city escape, as examples.

I guess i would give the developers the utopia demo as an example and give the person who made it a consultant fee and a credit or something.

>>168525725
Okay but my entire point was that the level design is the most important part to provide a good game. The physics is actually relatively easy to nail down (at least for an actual development team). The only reason why Sonic Team hasn't done so is because Iizuka's an idiot and doesn't think it's important. But even the Adventure games had good physics, they were mainly let down by shitty corridor level design and overly simplistic controls.

>>168523868
>hurr we make Shadow because fans want dark story with guns
Fans DID want that. Shooting in a Sonic game was so requested that they made Gamma for Adventure. Hell, even after that, kids wanted Sonic of all people to be the one shooting people. Keep in mind that kids also requested fishing in Sonic. They just stopped after Adventure.

I can't defend the other choices, but you can't pretend that no one at all wanted guns in Sonic.

>>168525920
1995 dawg

>>168526058
Sure but you can put guns in a Sonic game without going full-retard like they did with Shadow. Iizuka just went full-retard andgave us Shadow instead giving us something more like Ratchet & Clank with more cartoony over-the-top weapons and a relatively colorful and cartoony setting.

>>168526058
>kids wanted Sonic of all people to be the one shooting people

When people say "fans" when referring to the people who were requesting this, this is the same group of 13-16 year olds who think COD's the best game ever and want every game they plat to be rated M grim dark 'cause "I'm a big boy, I play shooters and GTA."

Sonic team clearly had little to no knowledge of the difference between dudebros in the making and everyone else who had half a brain.

>>168525563
You're right, they definitely need a dedicated team to craft levels. And Utopia isn't just one guy, it was made by a team. We'll see when (if) they make a full level, how that stacks up.

But in all honesty, I expect someone who has a more sophisticated understanding of how Sonic should move and interact with the environment to have a more sophisticated understanding of how to make an environment around that.

We've had Sonic Team show that they fail on both the level of ideas, and on the level of execution. We've had fans show that they succeed on the level of ideas. Ball's in their court now, the argument that we need professionals to build levels can only be made after Utopia's team utterly botches their attempt at level design. Until then, it's an argument that could go either way.

I'm very behind on the loop.

I haven't really read the Archie comics after the Super Genesis Wave reboot. Are they any better? I like Nicole and I was hoping she'd have a bit more focus as an actual character rather than the plot advancement tool this time around.

I also heard something about the comics being canceled. Has this been confirmed or denied yet?

>>168527537
>better
That's entirely subjective. The plotlines and non-Ian comic characters before the SGW are all completely dropped but all the baggage attached to characters like Sally and her dad is also gone and the world feels more like it fits Sonic as a whole.
>comics being canceled
Fulop's lawsuit over a sword in the comic has put the comics on hold for now but he seems to have been laughed at so hard in court that his lawyer is advising him to drop the suit.

>>168527537
The reboot has had a fresh new setting that takes the setting of the games and expands on it rather than doing something completely different like the cartoons and pre-reboot comics did. So there's been a lot of tying different parts of the games together, like Casino Park from Heroes is a casino owned by Breezie from AoStH located within Empire City from Unleashed, and other stuff like that. Just by being an expansion of the games the setting feels a lot more fleshed out and full of stuff whereas the pre-reboot setting really felt bleak and empty in a lot of areas, owing to it being sort-of a doubly post-apocalyptic setting. The main issue post-reboot is that Ian has felt the need to globetrot and introduce a whole bunch of shit that isn't expanded on at all just for the sake of tossing more stuff into the setting. Hopefully it'll all be expanded on, but for all that the setting feels fleshed out, by comparison a lot of the post-reboot original content feels incredibly shallow and uninteresting.

What doesn't help is that the comic got hit with a retarded amount of executive bullshit following the reboot, from the second crossover that nobody cared about, to the hiatus, to the forced nostalgia pandering, to the second hiatus. It's put a massive damper on getting the post-reboot continuity really going.

The comics haven't been officially cancelled, but there's another lawsuit going on, plus Archie has pulled subscriptions for the comics, plus we haven't gotten a new one in months, so things are looking bad.

>>168527537
I'd say it's better, because it has a lot less baggage and dumb bullshit and it feels more like a Sonic comic. The 2nd crossover is ass though, and Unleashed goes on for a long time, but it does some fun stuff so it's not too bad

As for the lawsuit, TheAmazingSallyHogan on tumblr has an amazing post about the lawsuit that I'd highly recommend reading

>>168528258
The OCs will definitely get expanded upon a lot. Razor alone has gotten a fair amount of character development and shit, and that should be expected for the rest of the case, especially the Egg Bosses, and ESPECIALLY for characters like Maw, the Pronghorn sisters, and Nephthys. Hell, the next Universe arc is basically developing all the FFs

>>168527537
Personally, I'd say it's better. The baggage of the old universe is gone, characters like Amy & Knuckles fit the new continuity so much better than before, as well as having much better characterization. The OCs introduced in the comic are really fun (most prominent examples being the Egg Bosses), & overall, it's just a very fun comic. That being said, it's been bogged down with mandated crossovers, & two hiatuses which really hurt the sales of the comic.

As for the comics fate, no one really knows. Neither SEGA or Archie have said anything about what's going on, & it's been nearly a month since the subscription page for Sonic went down.

Was Sonic Universe started before or after the reboot? If it started before, was it noticeably effected by the reboot?

>>168529439
Before, and no, not really affected that much

>>168467241
Can you guys post more cute images like this

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So is there any new news on the new title or is it still just normal sonic and fat sonic still?

>>168467986
ELABORATE

>>168530354
DELETE THIS

>tfw rushing home to catch meme man's stream

>>168530701
Is anything new gonna be shown?

>>168530354
>pic related
please tell me this is real. I need to know where this autism came from

>>168478028
>What is that keeps you coming back to the franchise?

Stockholm Syndrome.

The franchise gripped me when the first game came out. Releasing 4 great games while I was still developing means it's a hard connection to break. It went from a guilty pleasure to a 'fuck you I don't care' to a 'I hope the next game is great and everyone can see I'm not crazy for still liking this series.'

Also, the comics and music are great. The games are sometimes crazy fun, and drawing it is fun.

>>168530923
Games repainted. They swap out textures in various games with bullshit. Eggman was turned into Penders.

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>>168467986
Meme man better show something good

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>>168531517
>robotnik was turned to Penders
I know what i'm doing tonight

>>168531556
is there a usual time that they start it at?

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>>168478028
The story, in part from the comics but I liked the game narratives too, especially Adventures 1 and 2. I was actually genuinely interested in the storylines established up until Colors. Colors onward became very kiddy-like (Generations, for example, could have been presented as so much more interesting than it is) and that's when I found I no longer had reason to care about that part.

Now it's the actual gameplay. I unironically enjoyed all of Unleashed, thought Colors was aight, and played the shit out of Generations. Lost World kind of upset me but I'm very hopeful for Sonic 17. Most of my time has been invested in the comics, however, so I'm really hoping they're not gone for good.

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Despite this shit, I still feel like Boom had moments where you could tell it had someone who cared or had talent working on it, the animations on the models during most cutscenes always looks good to me, hell I like the models in this game more than the ones in the show for the most post.

>>168532407
I disagree.
But knowing about what happened during development and how they got fucked over by suddenly finding out Boom had become Wii U exclusive, I sometimes wonder what could have been.
Then I realise it probably would have been shit regardless so whatever.

>>168532407
The only people with talent that worked on it were artists and that shit only goes so far. Makes me mad as fuck too because all the environment art was just as good as the artwork they did for the Jak series and the game kept none of it.

>>168532407
at best it would've been a jak and daxter clone, decent but not terrible. It's really sad we had another sonic '06.

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>>168532683
I still try and figure that out, seeing all the shit in the game has helped me figure out what happened to some of it, Sega announcing it was a Wii U exclusive without telling the team that it was for that system and putting a date on it was probably one of the worst things they could have done but even then from what I found out its not like they even had a complete game at the point, this was a game by a bunch of idea guys who spent a lot of time thinking up concept that would never be used, in fact I would argue that a lot of other devs could have made the game run well on Wii U if they had a functioning game in the first place.
I've seen shit that never made it anywhere in the game and shit that is only used in multiplayer, I even found out that that area with the famous "Rocky Road" cutscene is actually considered part of the hub world despite being a level meaning it must have been a late change considering it is one of the shortest levels.
No idea why I still bother but this game interests me more than 06 in terms of half baked ideas mainly because I love the concept.
>>168532931
I hear ya, I even think that the actual levels don't look half bad and the hubs bring it down.
>>168533146
I wouldn't have minded that since I love weird ps2 styled platformers, at least the 3DS games are decent.

>>168531859
In 15 minutes

Didn't Big Red Button shop around a game to a bunch of publishers before SEGA said ok, but make a Sonic game instead?

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>>168533765
In a nutshell
>BRB forms with the intent of wanting to make games like Jak and Daxter
>due to the lack of popularity in platformers in the mainstream a lot of devs turn them down
>they pitch the concept to Sega who sees it as a chance to make a Sonic spin off brand and approves
>BRB spends almost 3 years doing nothing but making concepts and making barebones test levels to test gameplay with only a select few levels complete
>story went through tons of rewrites since they didn't like how much drama was in it
>original plot was Sonic and friends fighting Eggman like normal, crash landing on an island and finding Lyrics cave, them getting blamed for releasing him, Eggman ignoring Sonic to try and defeat Lyric so he can become island king or some shit
Thats all I got.

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>>168534236
Forgot to add this, the most interesting change to me was that they actually redid the main casts models after the backlash of the reveal but they ended up dumbing down the lighting.

>>168534526
I'll give them that Boom Amy is her best design and I don't mind Tails wearing goggles, but Knuckles and Sonic, plus all the dumbass sports tape, is absolute trash.

SonicOfficial twitch is live, stream in a few minutes.

>>168535118
Stream for what?

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>>168535118
Welp lets get this shit started.

>>168535697
Showing off their bad microphones

>>168535697
Talking about PAX stuff it seems

I'm new to the twitch, who is Newman Jr?

>>168535992
Not sure who you're talking about.

Dude on the right? Sergio, he's a cool dude.
The guy that showed up for a second? No idea.

>>168536289
Is Sergio GeneHF?

That's a nice shirt the licensing guy is wearing.

>>168536425
I believe so, yeah.

aaron no
aaron what are you doing

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>They're drawing OCs
Someone try to make them make Bump

>>168537331
fuck off

>>168537331
Yeah sure just hand over my mind control helmet.

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>>168537283
poor walrus

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>Alex the Walrus will never be happy

>>168537594
Why is he so sad

>>168537594
Should replace Rotor.

>>168537641
Because he has a gross deformed narwhal tooth hanging out of his big dumb face.

>>168537714
And worst off all: green shoes.

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>>168537714
At least Alex doesn't have two mouths

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>>168537714
He had a hard life

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>water gun

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W-why are we being subjected to this? I thought we were being relatively good fans lately.

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>>168538873
You were wrong

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>>168538873
He had a hard life

>>168527537
>I like Nicole and I was hoping she'd have a bit more focus as an actual character rather than the plot advancement tool this time around.

For her character they've kinda backtracked on the whole becoming a real person development, to the extent that she's still learning to appreciate and understand things in the natural world. They fleshed out her origins a bit more and she even have her own villain and super form.

>>168539302
Holy shit

>>168519220
Sorry, you'll have to get that yourself.

>>168532194
>Hedgies
Sounds kind of like a racial slur. Do these anthropomorphic animals have those? Wasn't Sonic called a "rat" once as an insult?

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>>168540030
It's not an insult if it's true.

Do you guys think that Sonic Satam is overhyped?

>>168540217
It's something of a moot point by now but yes.

"Too good" is not what I'd call it.

>>168540217
it's pretty by the numbers, rewatching it

>>168540217
It's a lot worse than people give it credit for, but it's still pretty good-like.

It kind of revolved around Sally, it seemed, which I wasn't big on.

>>168540217
There are still people that say SatAM is the best the franchise has to offer and the best cartoon of all time.

I found Underground more enjoyable and I never skipped a song.

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>Cupcakes with cream cheese

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>eceleb shit

Gamegrumps is never going to die is it

>>168540591
LPs in general need to die first.

YOU HEAR THAT ADVENTUREFAGS?
NOTHING
TO
TALK
ABOUT

I'm glad they finally said something.

>>168540217

Yes. Not that the other shows were bastions of quality instead by any stretch, but SatAM is pretty much a generic show that's not willing to explore its themes well and is bogged down by bullshit.

>>168540217
Immensely. The only really good thing about it are the FFs, and that's only because Archie took them and made them actually worth a shit

I want that Knuckles statue.

>Silver statue
Might be cool

>>168540697
I know it's a Sonic general, but chill with the autism.

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Ending already? What the fuck worthwhile even happened?

>>168540697
We're not going to stop asking.

>>168540697
For the foreseeable future at least

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>>168541287
Cease.

>>168541287
Here's a suggestion. Ask about other Sega IPs.

>>168541413
Sega is going to have to deal with for the rest of their goddamn lives. It will NOT stop!