/dfg/ - Dwarf Fortress General

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>>168080338
>tfw a burly female dwarf will never dominate you and force you to pierce her dimple cup with your plump helmet

DFHack beta, which is just about done, and really won't need the "expect issues" stuff:
https://github.com/DFHack/dfhack/releases/tag/0.43.05-beta1

Are the skins out of date as well? I'm too casual for this shit

>>168080658
OP is updated.

>>168080862
The what? tilesets? Short answer: no. They're up to date, but the automatic installer ("starter pack") might not. No idea honestly.

>>168081176
Yea I don't mind the newb pack being out of date, the only thing I want are the tilesets

Reminder that the correct way to play Dwarf Fortress is with whatever graphics you want.
ASCII or Graphics, both are fine.
Squares or Rectangles, both are also fine.
Don't let anyone tell you otherwise, because they are wrong.
There's also nothing wrong with posting screenshots of your preferred style in /dfg/. Again, don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

>>168081252
What about custom css like dark themes in your 4chan screenshots of funny /dfg/ posts?

>>168081252
Literally this. It's all about your imagination anyways
That being said
square ASCII masterrace

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>>168081252
>>168081708
Fuck off cucks.

>>168081356
I'm not sure what that has to do with playing Dwarf Fortress at all

>>168081708
Square ASCII masterfailrace more like.

>>168081708
I'm part of that masterrace with you bro. Which set do you use?

>>168081252
Reminder to report and ignore this guy.

Dwarf Fortress will never be finished

This is a fact

>>168084987
Neither will the Linux kernel or Windows ever be "finished", what's your point?

>>168085203
Windows is finished for me.

>>168084987
>will never be finished
Welcome to the majority of games on the market

>>168081169
You're a good man, OPFAG.

>>168091793
Better than the Grinch at least.

21/2/10/10
Bah!

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>>168097685
22/3/10/10

>>168099351
I read that webcomic and it's pretty fucking cool. I have to admit at first the sheer nearly appalling garishness of it made me shy away the first few times you posted images from it here. But it's really interesting/cool. How often is it updated?

>>168100678
A few times a week, usually wed/fri, sometimes sun/wed/fri, which is nice after the old week/two week/month periods we usued to get. It's big and silly and fun and maddeningly frustrating trying to get something as simiple as big fucking gods in charge of civs.

>tfw fell for the ranged weapon meme

Crossbows are my favorite weapon but they are so fucking useless in adventure mode I HATE IT

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>>168101125
Throw them, or be sneaky and plink from far away, or be a flier, or climb up a wall and snipe, then skyhammer people off the wall (grab them > let go of the wall > BAM!) after they come find you.

>>168102098
Wait throwing bolts is a viable strategy?

>>168102163
Throwing lions is a viable strategy.

>>168102218
W-well yeah but lions are much bigger than bolts.

>>168102249
That's a lot of lions.

>>168102394
Yeah that's another thing, Lions aren't exactly a reliable source of ammunition. Although maybe as I level up my throwing skill, I could just similar large mammals.

>>168102493
Yeah but what if you throw them during the night?

>>168102596
Ah yes I understand completely now.

is it possible to rely entirely on throwing as your main combat ability?
maybe supplemented by some close combat martial arts/wrestling

what's with troggos and cage traps? it's like they run straight into them

meanwhile the cave crocs are surprisingly good at dodging them

>>168102682
I just tried to use throwing in a fight but the bolt only went for like five tiles before falling to the ground. I'm so disappointed, I thought they'd go super far if I got up to the talented level with throwing.

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>>168102887
Where did you aim it?

>>168102493
You gotta breed lions.

>>168103651
>Where did you aim it?

At an enemy more than 5 tiles away, and I saw it appear on the floor a short distance from me, having never gotten near my target.

>>168103751
Was it copper? Are you a wimp?

MAN UP THADLEY, ELBOW DROP THE UNIVERSE UNTIL THAT BOLT PIERCES YOUR FOE!

>>168104047
What stats do I need to increase to up my throwing range?

>>168104102
Str/agi, probably kin/spa as well.
Sometimes a bolt falls short just from an inaccurate throw.

>>168104754
Nice thing is you can macrospam throwing bolts for skillups.

>>168104951
How do I make a macro?

>>168105001
http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Macro

>>168105114
Oh thanks

Also

>tfw the mod I'm playing adds magic spells like fireball
>tfw I want to be wizard
>tfw fireball use is tied to throwing skill
>tfw the only way to play as a wizard is to be FUCKING JACKED

>>168083683
I use Taffers mainly, although I am taking a liking to CLA's square floors

AAAAAAAAAAAAAA
WHEN IS THIS FUCKING UPDATE GOING TO BE DONE
i bet the artifact release wont be done until July at least

>>168106357
That is likely. I also feel like July or August.
Don't hold your breath.

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Reminder that one town in DF is bigger than an island in GTA3.

>>168108539
>GTA3
geez, a town in DF is practically more interactive than that thing

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>>168109234
Of course.

And unlike the towns in literally ALL gta games and most gta clones, towns in DF actually make sense. Whenever I play gta games or gta clones nowadays, I'm always baffled by how an infinite amount of people can live in a town with so few residental buildings.

I also hate how almost all of those take place on islands which are geologically impossible. Pic related: why the fuck would a natural archipelago have such a perfect square shape?

>>168109557
I always thought they were supposed to be built islands, like those in dubai

>>168109680
That might explain Liberty and Vice City, but not San Andreas.

dorf

>>168111111

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>tfw alone in the thread for two hours straight

>>168115841
Im lurking, dont worry senpai

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When will computers become good enough that Toady can release his super secret version of DF that he developed in secret which lets you interact with the generated world intelligently like with an a.i.?
I heard they tried to run it on one of those CIA supercomputers that's the size of a small country but there still wasn't enough computing power.

>>168116032
When multicore support is added

>>168108539
There is no way to discover the size an tile at dwarf fortress.

Some tried to assume human walking speed is realistic and tried to find the tile size based at that, but you have all kids of conflicting stuff.


One thing toady should do is to decide what is the size of an tile, and then change the entire game to fit with this size.

Actually this should be the first thing he should do (after this patch), it would speed his deveopment process after it, but not having to guess stuff

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>>168116738
>an tile

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>>168116738
>he doesn't know

>>168116865
No need to get that salty. Most people here are ESLs, and you can't expect everyone to know English perfectly.

If you are a native English speaker, then mocking ESLs like that kinda makes you an arrogant cunt.

>>168118124
Not an argument

>>168116408
'never' takes less keystrokes to write anon

>>168118285
he made a grammar mistake, you chose to be an anal cunt about it, despite grammar being completely irrelevant to what he tried to say.

>>168118124
I am an ESL myself and my main goal in life is to educate native English speakers on the difference between "awhile" and "a while".

DIIIIE PIIIIIGS

I'LL KILL YOU ALL

I'LL KILL YOU ALL

>>168118648
Not

An

Argument

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>>168118671
nuffen eprsonel kiddo

>>168118649
That's gonna take a while.

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>>168118819

>>168118819
I think it's "awhile"

I remember someone writing here that it's best to schedule a squad to only train for a month and then inactive for two and so on or they'll get exhausted.
I can't find anything about this on the wiki so can someone explain the optimal schedule to make a squad train, please?

>>168119672
Also another question, I have a walled-in werebeast in my hospital, will he eventually die or live forever and go mad like vampires?
Please respond.

>>168118885
If you can replace it with another adverb it is awhile.

Can you help for a while?
Can you help for patiently?

Just wait awhile.
Just wait patiently.

>>168120529
The second one.

>>168120529
it will live forever. if you want to use the hospital again, you'll just have to send in your militia just when he turns. (don't deconstruct the wall until he turns though, or he'll run right into your meeting areas/taverns/food stockpiles)

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>>168121309
>>168121312
Thanks, I got super lucky since he was unable to walk so I waited for him to transform and afterwards just took everything out of the hospital and walled him in again but more snugly.
Does this mean that even if I lose all my dwarves in this fort except for this walled-in guy that migrants will keep coming?

>>168122306
Yes

But I don't expect him to last long

>>168122394
I had another fucking weremoose come to my fortress and now I walled in two more dwarves again.
Fuck I hate werebeasts the most out of all the monster enemies in the game.

So how the fuck do I make a godly army now?

Back in 40d I just drafted everyone as wrestlers and had them spar for years, then I gave them weapons and they spared and got their skills up super fast.

Have I been doing something wrong or is military not supposed to be so easy to train anymore? All my dwarves do is Individual Combat Drill, which only slowly trains up their assigned weapon. Can I train dodging and so on?

I don't really want to use danger rooms or other things I have to manually control

>>168109557
I've never played a gta game, but I take issue with the comparison you're making. While SOME smaller settlements in DF will have enough buildings to accomodate its population, they're the exception by far. If a city in gta has even a single medium-to-large apartment building, then it probably has a greater residential capacity than any city in DF.
DF is probably better than the gtas for a lot of reasons, but realism in building-to-population isn't one of them.

>>168124113
Why is this such a problem for so many people? I would've expected DF players to be more patient.
Just wait. They'll start sparring eventually. In a matter of seasons you'll have your click-here-to-kill-anything easymode military.

>>168124370
Because I've been playing since 40d and all the years after that I've never been able to train a godly army with the new system. Even for fortresses that have been set up and run for years.

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>>168124120
>then it probably has a greater residential capacity than any city in DF.
Yeah, as it fucking should, considering GTA cities are supposed to be ultra-modern megacities. The DF towns are more sparsely populated.

Also, while DF towns may not have an entire house for every family, they still all have somewhere to go when they want to sleep.

Of course, the most ridiculous case is little Haiti in Vice city. It's a shanty town where the Haitian diaspora lives. You encounter and kill hundreds of gang members from there throughout the course of the game, yet all of them supposedly live in a few dozens of small shacks. Seriously, despite the shanty town consisting of thirty shacks tops, you encounter infinite people who supposedly live there.

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WHY WON'T IT JUST DIE!?

>>168125575
vanilla DF combat is really unbalanced
Im trying oldgenesis changes to corporal tissues and its much realistic and deadly

>>168124819
>they still all have somewhere to go when they want to sleep
They all go to a few buildings and sleep in piles. And that's just the comparitively small number of citizens of a town that actually load when you go there; the abstract population of even a small town in DF is radically larger than its residential capacity.
I don't doubt that gta is absurd on that front, but DF is too. It's a video game convention that's necessary (for now, at least) with any game that tries to simulate a large open world.

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gotes and botes bumping in harmony

>>168128615
Botes in dort fort when

>>168130306
when i stop fukin ur mom

>>168128615
>>168130306
multi-tile gotes when

can wyverns starve of bleed out? or drown?

ive got this wyvern trapped between two drawbridges and i want t know if it will ever be safe to go outside again (its the only way outside)

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intredasting

>>168132331
Depends on the mod that added them. Wyverns aren't a thing in vanilla.
Things that aren't citizens of your fort can't starve or dehydrate (except in one or two special cases), and I don't think any mod can change that.

>>168132621
well, a desire that I wanted from the time I played adv. mode for the first time has been made real
I dunno how to feel

>>168134203
>I got a thing I wanted to have

Pretty sure happiness is the appropriate response.

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WHERE IS THE MULTI-CORE SUPPORT TOADY YOU BALD FAT FUCK!!!
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>168134469
I dunno man, humans work on a different time perception than Toady
It has passed so much time since I had that idea that my ardent desire vanished to a forgotten idea in the back of my head

Look at this anon here>>168134871

He burns with impatience, but he doesnt know that, when Toady decides to fix this game, all those emotions of his will have vanished

Nothing a human can experience burns long enough to be noticed by Toady, that's the real reason that the fans know he is a weird developer
I think I just realized that right now, with that tweet

>>168134203
I've had this as a script for a while, artifake I called them.

is there a way to disassemble corpses for bones and shit without butchering them?

i killed a megabbeast but my stupid dwaves took too long to drag it to the stockpile so now i cant butcher it and i want its bonds for victory shit

>>168136150
You can't butcher it while it's rotten, but once it's a skeleton you'll be able to butcher it for bones and a skull.

>>168136770
question, if you butcher a dragon do you get scales or leather?

>>168136967
Scales.

b u m p

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>Demands: brass armor stand in Dining Room

This fucking mayor is going to have an accident soon.

>Tfw bodies in town are just left lying on the streets

Would it really be that hard to have the townsfolk move all that stuff to the catacombs?

>>168140191
just ignore it

>>168140990
I will, but I don't like his attitude.

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Man DF can get depressing sometimes. This whole market used to be a thriving center of commerce, and now only a small corner is left after a massive battle in the town. Heck, the town population has more or less been halved. If some bandits decide to attack the place there really wouldn't be much people could do to stop them.

>>168140191
Is that so much of an unreasonable demand?

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>>168140191
>can't even setup an industry and stocks wholesome enough to casually fulfill noble demands and mood requirements without major mircomanagement input from the player
What are you? An elf?

>>168140743
Would be nice, and we'll get there at some point, but general awareness of items and such will help.

Oh god my adventuring party was jus slaughtered by a giant gecko demon. We were going after some bandits and were doing fine until the fucking thing came at us from behind and tore one of my people to shreds. It then systematically ripped apart everyone who came after it until the last remaining guy and I just broke and ran in opposite directions. It went after him though so he's probably not coming back. I'm heading back to the village and I'm not going to leave for at least a week.

>>168143829
Was it named like a goblin civ master or a random demon escape or just mod stuff?

>>168145085
Either random demon escape or mod stuff. Either way it was pretty cool because my squad spawned in from fast travel and what we originally saw was a small flock of lesser demons which are more or less harmless, but there were like 6 of them. I didn't pay attention to them but I bet if I did I would have seen the thing lurking near them.

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>>168145268
Yeah, I've bumped into actual demon masters leading a siege group.

Also think I've missed a solution for my ksbd(Reach HFS Through Violence?) problem because I went about it the wrong way, but I think I can make the caste system work to do what I want.

>>168147142
>Yeah, I've bumped into actual demon masters leading a siege group.

Oh man that sounds cool.

Also, I decided to gather another adventuring party to try and kill the thing. It uh, it went poorly and three of them were ripped apart before it came after me. But while it was chasing me, I jumped across a river and when the thing tried to follow me into the water, it started smoking and then I got a message saying that it had bled to death.

I'm not really sure what happened but I'm glad I won.

>>168147365
Might have a weird effect like the devils in KSBD where the blood is fixed at 11000 Urists and starts burning shit, maybe it made steam and started hurting it?

>>168147742
Could be. It was pretty tense until the end though so I had fun with it. And I learned a new way to kill demons, so that's a plus.

Let's say I want a modded animal to drop plump helmets when butchered.
However, [EBO_ITEM:PLANT:MUSHROOM_HELMET_PLUMP] produces nothing but "Unrecognized Item Token" and "Unrecognized Material Token" in errorlog.txt.
Is there really no way to make it happen without DFHack?

How do I do the thing where the calendar goes forward for a year instead of a couple weeks?

>>168151413
You don't.

>>168151534
But you can, an anon showed the general how to do it with GM editor.

>>168151625
Well, then you answered your question: with the GM editor.

>>168151936
Yeah but apparently you have to do some fancy command stuff, so I was just curious if someone knew the exact steps to take.

>>168152038
First time I hear about it, did you check the gm editor thread?

>>168152208
Not him, but I remember Max showing it off here in the general. I don't know whether it has been discussed on the forum at all.

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Which one are you?

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>>168151413
>>168151625
Here you go anon.

>>168152650
Me squatting on the left.

>>168150484
[EXTRA_BUTCHER_OBJECT:BY_CATEGORY:BODY_UPPER:UB]
[EBO_ITEM:PLANT:NONE:PLANT_MAT:MUSHROOM_HELMET_PLUMP:STRUCTURAL]

>>168152453
Totally wasn't me that came up with it.

When the calendar stars run this:
gui/gm-editor scr

That is a shortcut for gui/gm-editor df.global.gview.view.child I think, might be another child in there, but you get the idea.

Then you edit the year_tick upwards, setting it to around 400000 will put the end near the end of Obsidian and a new year.

>>168153038
>[EBO_ITEM:PLANT:NONE:PLANT_MAT:MUSHROOM_HELMET_PLUMP:STRUCTURAL]
I love you.

>>168153178
They are such a pain in the ass, I'm super fucking glad to help others with that shit since I had to fuck around with it forever to get angels to drop a set of armor, you can have multiple ebo entries btw, BY_CATEGORY:HEAD:HD, BY_CATEGORY:ARM_LOWER:RLA, and so forth work fine.

>>168108539
Do dorf towns still caramelize computers in gold?

>>168153038
All right, got it. Can I run GM editor with a modded game or will that fuck with it?

>>168154125
It'll work fine no matter what, if you've been modifying shit that would fuck up gm-editor you know what you're doing or the game is broken already.

>>168155771
All right then. Well I went to the download in the OP and tried to install DFhack, but I only saw downloads for mac and linux versions. I tried both of the 64bit ones but it didn't start when I booted up the game.

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>>168153706
>caramelize computers in gold?

I have a serious question. Is it okay to use tilesets as a beginner?

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>taverns

>>168158292
Yes. Default graphics are a tileset too. Use whatever you want.

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>Cuggan's cove
>Emergence
>The storm and the bounty

>>168158448
Oh, okay, thanks. Using one that I found in a pack made me understand what was going on a lot easier and after seeing a couple of posts here about paying on the default settings it was a little bit confusing.

>>168158709
You're probably talking about a very "pixel art-y" tileset, possibly with creature graphics then.
Don't hesitate to check out ASCII-like tilesets too - there are some really beautiful ones with very nice color schemes.
Also, read the wiki page here so you at least have an overview of how DF works and what you're doing:

http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Graphics

even the default graphics are very easy to understand if you just remove that mental blockade and accept that you have to learn something for a moment. and you can always loo[k] at things anyway.

In fact, there isn't really a whole lot to learn: things that move are creatures, green things are vegetation, blue things are water. orderly appearing lines are walls/constructions. Getting your bearings like that takes 5 minutes. What you're left with are what items are what, which is learned relatively fast with loo[k]ing a few times.

The advantage would be that you're a lot more independent from graphic pack maintainers (although that situation improved a lot in recent years) and starter pack releases (which usually wait for stable dfhack versions).

In either case, just choose what you think looks the best.

>>168155916
Oh, they're still waiting on a windows build to be done.

>>168160285
Ah ok

>>168159516
Thanks for the information, I'll keep that in mind about the graphics.

I've already experienced what is like to wait for the dfhack release, I don't even know how I got it working with this version of the game, may it was some kind of non-stable version of dfhack.

I have another question, when does invaders come into my hole on the side of a mountain? Does the game have any trigger or is it random events?

>>168160581
>Does the game have any trigger or is it random events?
Both.
There are minimum requirements like population size and # of dug out tiles (at least there were in earlier versions, I never actually checked in years if they still exist. check the wiki to make sure), and other parameters that influence it. Namely, your world needs to have goblins that can invade you, they need to be close enough, they need to have enough "free/idle" population that can go to war with you and they musn't have more important targets - i.e. your fort must be wealthy enough.

>>168161142
I was so worried, I think it is just one season that has passed and I was thinking about making armor and weapons.

>>168161895
Just make what you think in what order and priority you think. Your goal is not only to survive this specific fortress and be as good as possible, but to build up experience when and what to prioritize under which conditions.
Don't be afraid to lose a fortress, focus on gaining experience from the process - identify problems and processes you can improve. Analyze why your fortress failed and brush up on knowledge you're lacking.

It's a big part of making DF fun in the long run: not following the best solution from the wiki, but experimenting and finding a solution that works well enough for your style.

In that sense, you would, for example, start out with the default embark profile until you notice in your third fortress, that the second miner is completely useless to the way you play, but some guy that would make higher quality crafts at the very beginning would help you with the first caravan.
So you change it.
Similarly, you might notice that your last few fortresses failed because you had not enough armor at the time of the first invasion, so you start earlier.
Same for embark location features, industry focus, etc.
Of course these are only examples, and in practice, the opposite cases might apply just as well.

>>168161895
You can get surprise visits from werezebras or whatnot though!

>>168153028
Its a very warm sensation to see people use your OC

My animals keep milling around my meeting area and starving to death. I've got a pasture and the dwarfs have animal hauling and handling active for their jobs, but they are still shitting around in my damm dining hall. Anyone else run into this problem before?

>discover a lair
>game crash
I was gonna go out in a blaze of glory though

>>168168485
Did you assign the animals to the pasture?

>>168169096
Looks like it, they got that green plus by their name. I'll double check everything to make sure.

>>168169013
You in twbt mode?

>>168173216
Yeah that was the cause of it

What mod just added a ton of crafting shit and is compatible with the newest version of DF? Like, no other races or monsters or anything, just more reactions.

Reminder that LNP and TWBT are a conjoint conspiracy backed by rimworld to take down Toady1's credibility.

>new player starts game
>uses LNP which comes with TWBT as default
>takes hours to figure stuff out
>finally get his first fort going
>8 straight hours of playing
>TWBT crashes DF
>new player blames toady
>never plays DF ever again

>>168174606
Seems legit.

>>168173770
Look for anything like Wanderer's friend/df wanderer/adventure craft/etc.

cobalt when

>>168177575
When you add the reaction?

Is it possible to reduce the happiness value inebriation gives? I reckon it's way too strong right now and wanna reduce it.

>>168177969
>it's way too strong right now

It's just realistic.

>>168177969
Find this line:
[CE_FEEL_EMOTION:EMOTION:EUPHORIA:SEV:75:PROB:100:SIZE_DILUTES:START:10:PEAK:120:END:480:DWF_STRETCH:4]
Change the SEV:75 to SEV:50 or something?

>>168179349
Irrelevant.

>>168179812
That should work, will try.

>>168179812
Derp, in the material_template file, under the alcohol entry where the syndrome is.

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It's been so long since I've seen one of these guys that I thought I had genocided them.

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>>168182813
Every time with the damn teeth.

>>168183238
>Some punk ass werechameleon shows up trying to bite mah dorfs
>I'm like, what, you think you're gonna get to keep your teeth?
>HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO THE GROUND!

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>>168183713
Funny you should put it that way, Relicwebs turned a year old yesterday.

>>168184505
>HAPPY BIRTHDAY TO THE G̶R̶O̶U̶N̶D̶ FORT!

Watch the strikethrough not work.

So finally working on modding, copying the goblin stuff and making an orc wasn't to hard. But how to I actually make them have a civilization? Can't seem to find a file that seems relevant and the wiki doesn't seem to have what I need either for once.

>>168184818
Thanks.
>>168184505 is before unpausing for the first time (that anniversary isn't for a few more days), and pic related is the same place now. The single engraved pillar is the same spike of galena that has a miner, dog, horse and goose standing next to it in the before pic.

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>>168185479
Pic related, I mean.

>Very deep soil
>No soil anywhere
>Just rivers and water

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Is there a way of see what specifically is causing lag? Because I'm pretty sure a single fucking dog is slowing my entire fortress

>>168185446
entity_default?

>>168186387
Haha, that's it! Now let's see how hard this part could be, thanks for the help

>>168186637
Ctrl+f GOBLIN
[CREATURE:GOBLIN] >> [CREATURE:ORC]

>>168186387
>>168186740
Related, will having two [ENTITY:EVIL]s still work so I can have both goblins and orcs?

>Rally Ho! tileset has 10/10 creature and civ sprites
>"Oh man this is going to be fun to play with!"
>landscape stuff is absolute ASS

Fuck I'm rustled.

>>168187923
Make one of them different, the EVIL doesn't do anything, it's just a name. I've got dwarf civ copies named MOUNTAIN and CAVERN just fine.

Done and done. However I guess I made them too friendly because dwarfs aren't at war with them. To the raws!

>>168189754
Hmmm, even being an ambusher and having the same ethics as goblins doesn't seem to make them go to war naturally.

If I could make them trade maybe I can piss them off, I'm gonna have war with dam steel using orcs no matter the cost

Has Toady ever commented on there being an end in sight for the development of the game? I know it's kind of his lifes work but what if he dies before he completes it? Will it ever be finished, with or without Toady?

>>168190663
Dwarves don't go to war with goblins all that often in worldgen either. After worldgen is another story, war is the only relation you can have with them, and you'll be at war as soon as you encounter them.
If you just copypasted the civ it won't be any different. Embark near them and play, you'll see them within a few years.

>>168190675

To him the game is still in alpha. He plans to develop the game until he can't live off it anymore.

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>>168191156
Really? I've always thought this red line meant at war, and never not seen goblins say something similar.

>>168192206
No, if you're at war it says WAR. The red line occurs for snatcher or thief civs that you aren't at war with. Peaceful relations aren't possible with them, and that's indicated by the red line. It's the only relationship other than war that you can have with those civs.

>>168192896
Good to know, thanks. Well now I feel pretty confident in adding in races, gotta love DF

>>168179349
>It's just realistic.
not really famalamadadingdong

>>168190675
there are aprox. 25 years left of development for version 1.00, confirmed by the toad
he'll keep working on it tho

>>168142183
I still don't know where that panel comes from

>want to dorf
>decide "This time, I shall dorf."
>make precautionary save backup as usual
>notice date
>have not dorfed for a full week

>>168198434
I have never dorfed in my entire life

>>168198085
dammit, how long since that anon drew that?

>>168198934
A long time. Around when .42 released.

I hate how stifled wars and such seem right now. Like, you'll never see wars being fought between civs of the same race from what I can tell. You'd think if you had multiple human kingdoms they'd fight each other all the time.

>>168200891
You occasionally see civs declare war on bandit or outlaw groups that are part of a same-race civ or even their own civ. It's not real common, but it happens. If you squint at legends mode the right way it kind of looks like a civil war.

>>168201183
hopefully the next update will change that.

>>168201278
next update will let us anme items in avdenture mode ;)

>>168204187
So long as people go to war over said items I've got no problem with it. Conflicts in this version are actually pretty static so having everything be shook up with people fighting over items would be great.

I hope we can see actual battles and armies marching into towns.

>>168204267
Seeing bands of soldiers clash in the streets while civilians seek cover in the buildings would be cool.

is it possible to make a creature that dies IMMEDIATELY after spawning in the game?

>>168206347
Yup.
Mess with homeotherm stuff, I would guess. Masterwork I recall had imp adventurers bursting into flame.

>>168208030
what if I just want them to drop dead without any flames?

I managed to get them to suffocate by removing their lungs, but I want them to drop dead immediately.

>>168208030
>>168208371
Maybe I should have said exactly why I'm needing it.

I want to add petrification interactions. I plan to do this by having an interaction that turns an enemy into a special "statue" creature. This creature immediately dies, leaving behind a statue, bronze collossi style.

>>168208604
If you can somehow remove all of their blood on spawn that's the quickest death there is, though you'll get the "... has bled to death" message.
At least that's how DFHack does it with the exterminate command.
Remove the head, maybe?
Maybe someone more knowledgable can weigh in here, I haven't tried doing this.

Gotta love that moment when you get back to your ramshackle tower after cutting some logs and all your cute little reanimated muskox torsos and raven heads and guts-trailing humans rush up to greet you.
*sniff*
So sweet.

>>168210643
"Here's some treats for you guys to... let fall out of your exposed necks and lower bodies?"

>>168194608
Have you ever been drunk?
There is no more euphoric feeling than when you're inebriated aside from when you're enlightened by your own intelligence and not some phony god's blessing.

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>>168210643
Oh great, now he's gonna start writing fanfiction, dressing corpses up, and tallking with them.

Necrodementia is the saddest thing.

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>tfw there are two FBs in the caverns and I don't have a trained military

At least they can be outsmarted by my brilliant machiavellian strategy of raising the drawbridge.

>>168132621
I wonder what "valuable" and "important" mean in this case.

>>168214804
Probably that they have special meaning for a lineage or entity, for example by being some item that an important hist fig used during an important historical event.

kill dorf!

>>168216656
dumb elf get out of here!

>>168215248
So if you slay a megabeast with a weapon and then name it would the NPCs start to take an interest in it?

>>168217147
You ask Toady, only he can tell for sure what we'll end up with.

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>>168190675
If he dies then the source code will be released... but only if it's not suspected that he was murdered in order to have the source released.

>No killing for the source!

>>168218925
Can you link me to the video where that's from?

IIRC it was a video where he endorsed Death Road to Canada, but I can't find it anymore.

>>168219082
Never mind, it was on the game's Kickstarter page.

>>168218925
>>168219082
>>168219184
Link to video plox.

>>168220950
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1297103658/death-road-to-canada-permadeath-road-trip-simulato

Check out 2:34 on the little about trailer

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>>168221265
arigatou anon-kun

>>168218925
>here... suck my frog cock and I'll fix those bugs for you

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>>168223297
When will Toady make sieges more fun?
Double agents in your inn who will try to open the gates for the siege when they come while your bumbling sheriff and hammerer form an inquisition but only end up torturing and hammering people they've gotten to arguments or brawls with.
And siege engines and ladders ramming on your gates and walls while you have full control of your squads and their positions at least as long as your commanders are alive.
Also multi-core support so the sieges don't take 20 hours to play through at 10fps.

Is there any way to select which webs to collect? I want my weavers to specifically collect giant cave spider webs, instead of the regular ones.

>>168225024
I don't think there's any difference, except for the name.

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˘¯≥◊‡_◊_‡◊≤¯˘

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>>168227363
Noice.

>>167898420
here we are.
in all its massive glory.

>>168229430
That's a really big elephant

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Will trading away masterworks make the dwarf who made them go insane or is it just a small inconvenience if the dwarf is otherwise happy?

>>168229506
For you.

>>168231092
Neither, unless you're playing an old version with a bug.

>>168231406
No I'm playing the latest version.
I just noticed that the wiki had a small link to an older version after the line that said
>Selling a masterwork item to a caravan will cause an unhappy thought when the wagon carrying it leaves the map
Thanks for the quick response.

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>>168225435
I think the difference is that you can get stuck in giant cave spider webs, but tromp through cave spider webs without concern.

>>168231962
Yeah, but this guy is talking about only wanting it for his industries.

If anything, giant spider silk should be worse, since weavers occationally get stuck when gathering it.

>>168232596
A little, yeah, guess if your bookdorf has everything up to date and fully accurate you can just view stocks > find webs > forbid the type you don't want collected?

>>168231962
>>168231962
GCS silk is a lot more valuable, which value becomes ridiculously compounded when you stack on the quality multipliers for cloth, dye and turning into clothing.

>>168233454
Meant to respond to >>168225435 as well.

>>168232596
The reason I want them to gather GCS silk only is because they keep getting dragged off to far places in the fort to gather regular spider silks, which is worthless to me and slows down production. I have a GCS trapped to produce silk. As for the difference between them, GCS silk is worth much more.

Anyway, it's not an issue anymore, I've restricted the clothiers with burrows to speed things up.

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>>168229430
:D

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>>168234895
>that feel when you can't figure out where to put your spare limbs

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>>168234895
That looks like it's some kind of altar or monument or even a lectern, but I thought of pic related when I saw it. Which makes the scene even more surreal.

>>168236037
When you've been bludgeoning wildlife to death with a rotting limb all day, a water fountain is truly a sign that at least one of the gods is looking out for you.

What can I do to increase the chances of animal-men appearing in towns and such?

>>168238127
more animal men is the way to go.

I'd play in more svage worlds if I were you.

>can't fast travel through mountains even if you are on a road

REEEEEEEE

>>168238351
Do savage worlds cause more sick burns?

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>>168239630
http://pastebin.com/13EkrFt2

Save as questport.lua then while you're in the travel screen just pull up your quest log and aim the cursor somewhere before running the script.

>werebeast just shakes dwarf until his spine breaks

how strong are these things?

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>>168229506
>>168231092

Of curces

>>168234895
Too right, its a sin not to use limbs.

>>167898253
Here is the complete meal.
platypus custard will platypus milk.

>>168242738
>how strong are these things?
not very strong lol

>one of my dwarves, without any kind of military training solos a giant cave spider, dying in the process

I salute you, brave fisherdwarf

>>168244517
That's odd, he killed a legendary hammerdwarf in iron with 2 others on top of him

>>168244738
Maybe he's old as fuck and experienced way beyond your slow iron armor dwarves?

>>168244738
maybe he can teleport like in anime

WHATEVER YOU NEED

EVER YOU GOT

EVER YOU WANT

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I ought to just leave him there to dehydrate but I'm such a softy.

>>168244505
that platypus looks like he has had a tough life mate
I have never seen the same expression in any human

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>>168248272

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>>168248654
It complements the dwarf mentality of inner rage.

Where were you when you realized you don't really need more than 1 civ per race on a smaller world to get the full DF experience?

>>168249819
man, why elves grow up so much to be bitchbois is far beyond my knowledge
There must be something they eat

So, I want to use DF to generate cavern and maybe overworld maps for a DnD campaign in case things go off-rails.

Is there an easy way to look at caverns and overworld and such without being in an adventurer trying to find and travel their way into said places and using some sort of hack to reveal everything?

Should I make some sort of godly playable race just so I can adventure mode with them or what?

>>168251175
Detailed maps of both the overworld and individual settlements can be exported from legends mode.

Caverns, dungeons, catacombs and sewers can't be exported though. You'll have to visit those in adv mode.

Where can one find a decent tileset or visual replacement for the game? I don't wanna try and learn with random letters. Plus easier to imagination with nice tiles.

>>168253904
Spacefox

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>tfw no sweet elven boipucci to ram your "helm plump" into

>>168255125
Not with that attitude

why is everyone worried that the df developer will die? is he in bad health?

>>168254684
Wow that looks nice. Now to just figure out how to install plugins for dfhack I guess O.o

I'm cheating and downoading http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=126076 for now.

>>168255798
It's out of date. You should just get the current version of DF and install dfhack and your tileset manually. It's easy.

>>168255741
it's mostly a joke, I doubt that anyone is genuinely worried.

it is a fact that he's out of shape. last thing I heard, he didn't even drink water anymore. all he drinks is dr peppers.

>>168256068
I can't find documentation on which directory to drop the tileset into. I may be stupid.

>>168256209
he's mostly fixed his eating habits

is there a way to change the annoying rectangle tiles to squares without changing the graphic off of original ascii?

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FUCKING FINALLY SHIT DAMN FUCK!

>>168256482
Maybe.
http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Tilesets

>>168257412
Impressive.

>first cave dragon I've seen in the year I've been playing walks in and kills the web FB living under my fort
Oh shit.

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>>168258996
Probably confusing to various people though who aren't aware what I'm trying to do.

The critters with the solomon/jagganoth/mammon/etc names are the demiurges from kill six billion demons, they're all murderously strong and very much "final boss" types, and I haven't even fucked around with giving them unique abilities yet.

I have been trying to figure out how to make them take over a civ forever and finally figured out that I needed to put copies of some of the normal creatures in as castes of the demiurges, so it's like:

caste:mottom
blahblahmottom stuff
pop_ratio:1
caste:female
female stuff
pop_ratio:10000
caste:male
male stuff
pop_ratio:10000
select_caste:male
select_additional_caste:female
body:blahblah
material_template:standard stuff
etc
select_caste:mottom
body:blahblah
material_template:deific materials
special sense creature/creature class stuff
better gaits and combat options
etc

So it's weird in the arena because you can spawn multiple sets of human male/female and they're all the same, then mammon has subcastes of kind people, and jagganoth has subcastes of goblins (the ksbd ones, not df ones) with the other races off on their own.

Then I set up the stuff so it selects a demiurge to be queen/king/overlord if available, only 7 allowed by capping them as megabeasts, and other civs put down mix in some of the other servants and angels and devils.

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>>168259871
>kill six billion demons
What a terrible title for a story.

does twbt always crash the game? Is there a way around that? An alternative to twbt?

>>168260786
>An alternative to twbt
Yes. Don't use it.

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>>168260718
Sure thing cool guy.

>>168260786
Not using twbt?

It always crashes adventure mode, I dunno about fort mode since I switch too much to bother with twbt.

>>168259658
And now it's wandering around my fort, not attacking anyone.

Huh.

>>168259871
Wouldn't this make 1 in 20000 normal civilians into demiurges as well?
Those civs are going to have occasional demiurge cheesemakers, demiurge weaponsmiths, demiurge bone doctors.

>>168261463
Nah, since they're megabeasts it only lets a new one show up when there is an opening, and they tend to get plunked into the ruler spots immediately if there is one.

>>168259871
>finally figured out that I needed to put copies of some of the normal creatures in as castes of the demiurges

Why do you have to do that?

>>168261586
Since when can you declare specific castes as megabeasts? Could've sworn it was a whole creature thing.
Anyway, the method's convenient as hell. Thanks for sharing.

How hard would it be to upgrade from ASCII to sprites ?

I feel like just upgrading from ASCII to something that looks like Secret of Mana or Chrono Trigger would be enough to make the game look good. And sprites aren't that hard to do.

>>168262929
It's already been done several times

>>168261716
Because otherwise I can't populate a civ with that creature without hoping they take it over via [POWER] or whatnot.

>>168262398
It is very handy, you can also use semimegabeast, night creature hunter, and I think one more?

>>168262929
Rally Ho! has amazing creature/civ sprites but ass landscape.

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>>168263281
>night creature hunter
That's pretty rad, can you make them into [SPOUSE_CONVERTER]s too?
My civilisation of rape orcs might become reality after all.

>>168263281
Can't you just put multiple creatures in a single civ?

>>168264310
Putting many creatures in a civ simply makes the game pick one of them at random.

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I made a dedication to all those poor dwarves I've walled in to contain their were-curses.

Always feel bad when I have to do that...

>>168265025
Now that this questions arise

If you do exactly that, putting various creatures in the same civ, and multiple civs span, you can still receive migrants from other civs right?

>>168244505
Drew that's beautiful., thanks a million, once again.

>>168266117
You only get migrants from your own civ.

>>168266117
Is it even possible to receive migrants from other civs?

>>168266334
No. Maybe anon meant visitors?

>>168265773
That's pretty good.

>>168266578
Thanks man.

Can't do much better with a cameraphone and office pencils I'm afraid.

>>168266318
>>168266334
>>168266493
Visitors yeah
They are from the same entity, they can request living there, and they are from the same civ, so they could start living in your fort, right?

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>>168263941
Think so, one of the servant castes are canonically spouse converters so I'm still seeing if that works right or not, haven't messed with them much yet.

>>168264310
>>168265025
As they said, you can, but if you try to put a megabeast in a civ it winds up being really hard to keep from cities populated with them, but making them a caste and limited pop ratio lets you get a single one of them with several normal creatures.

>>168266117
I think after history progresses for a while you should have multiple races in a given civ if they are compatible, but you might only get the species which started your particular group?

>>168267072
>you might only get the species which started your particular group?
what? why?

>>168260970
>>168261296
but I like twbt

Anyone have some seeds that generate really cool caverns?

Waterfalls, loads of jewels, magma. The works. I want to make a Moria that eventually falls so I can explore it later.

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>want to play new race in dorf fort
>remember some anon talking about a succubus mod
>download it and try it out in adventure mode
>go to character creation
>get this

l-lood

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>find my first Demiurge, Mottom, Queen
>slay her
>everything seems cool
>barons wake up and start punching each other
>yakety saxing everywhere
>forgot I put in a resurrection effect for demiurges
>mottom gets up and starts running around naked biting people
>death is all around us, the laughter consumes me!

>>168267212
Not sure, I actually would expect say, a dwarf+human+goblin entity where you embarked as one of the dwarf groups but it had humans who migrated to the dwarf sites should end up with humans migrating to your fort.

>>168268456
Waterfalls in caverns aren't a thing yet. The others you can get with any old worldgen. Set your cavern openness high and passage density low for actually cavernous caverns, low mineral scarcity for lots of gems. Volcanism might correlate with subterranean magma features, but it doesn't appear to; I haven't exactly scienced the question, though.

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Wow look what I lucked into. This city must have at least 7 different animal man demographics from what I've seen. Looks like its a town that was captured by elves.

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>>168269363
Waterfalls aren't a thing, but you do get them accidentally in the vicinity of dark pits/fortresses.

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>>168268964
>T H I C C girl (male)

>>168270008
Yeah, worldgen sites don't properly take into account subterranean water and magma features yet, and sometimes intersect them. Underground roads can do it as well. I should have said that they're *normally* not a thing, until site creation shits itself.

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>>168270845
Forgot the tunnels with magma and world-gen forts sunk into volcano tubes, yeah.

badabump

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Holy Armok, why

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>>168274049
It got worse.

>>168274650
Dwarven Childcare: like regular childcare, with less care, and more dogs.

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Man the Rally Ho! tileset does an amazing job of emulating that old timey JPRG vibe but holy fuck is it jarring when your bishounen adventuring party is brutally mauled and dismembered by an ogre.

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>>168275516
*graphics set*

This is a tileset, for that anon who mentioned wanting a square ascii set.

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>>168275995
I'm not savvy with the lingo, whoops.

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>>168274650
I see nothing wrong here

>>168276083
I forgive because Nipples the Echidna is fantastic.

DID YOO STEAL MAH EMEROWDS EGGMAN?

>>168276793
>>168274650
>legendary children
I've gotten a legendary peasant (practiced speaking up to legendary via storytelling in the tavern), but how do you get a legendary child?

>>168277597
Moods.

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what

>>168278614
lol wut

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>>168278614
Bitten baby or baby temple defiler?

>>168276812
*boxerhockey*

>>168279729
Got bit apparently. Must suck for the parents. But it was killed by a Roc just a few weeks after so that happened. Must reeeaally suck for the parents.

Also here's a thing if you haven't seen it yet.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TI4dS5xkQU

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>>168279729
>Reinvented by _TrainerBrendan_ for iFunny :)
>memecenter

How dumb of an idea is it to crosstrain dwarfs in axes and crossbows? I don't want to create separate squads for ranged and melee combat.