/dfg/ - Dwarf Fortress General

>>168489139
Finally an op pic that isn't recycled every three threads.

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From last thread:
>More progress... the artifact encounter problems I'm aware of are fixed, and NPC questers can go on near-fruitless quests in play to find artifacts known to be lost in the wilds (and find them if they happen upon the exact spot). You can sometimes find these ill-fated heroes wandering around out there, but there isn't currently a way for them to get more refined information.

>Your adventurer can now name any of their legally-nameable objects (so e.g. no arrow stacks, but you can name individual arrows). This elevates the items to historical status, so you'll get events recorded about them. That doesn't mean other people will care about them. There's still a bit to do, and GDC is creeping up at the end of the month (I have a short talk again), but we'll hopefully be through the boring cleanup part soon and get to dwarf mode off-map squads.

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>Migrants lead a werebeast to my fort
it hasn't even been a year yet

>>168490169
I guess it won't come out before summer after all.

That means we might not get the myths before early 2019.

>>168489620
ikr, it makes us look like unoriginal hacks

>>168490169
>>168490882
All in all, he's doing a good job for now
sucks that it takes more than we thought I was one of the people that were sure he'd release before christmas
But at least we'll get the stuff he promised and the secret stuff he always puts in in each update (I hope its not only the naming stuff, although that is cool)

I look forward to the GDC, we might get more insight of the myth creation screen, after all, it was in the last GDC when he showed it, and he said it still was barebones

>>168490268
On the other hand, I'm looking forward to magic in the next decade.

>>168490268
I think part of the dwarf mode slowdown was making sure they wouldn't get stuck looking for shit that was in the middle of nowhere and end up camping out.

This might actually help with the armies camping bug too.

Also wonder if this means we'll get stuff like an axe we use for five historical kills will get a random name?

>>168491092
Like I said, it'll probably be postponed until 2019, but not longer.

Remember that myths = magic.

I havent played for about 3 years so I havent used the latest update. It is addictive like crack so it would just consume my spare time.

Think I should wait another few years til the next update so it has magic and shit?

>>168491726
>Remember that myths = magic
No, the myths update and the functional magic system update will probably be separate updates, even if the "magic update" is fleshing out the basic groundwork laid by the myths update. Considering the complexity of both systems I find it hard to believe that both of them will be included in one single update.

>>168491969
>want to play dorf
>should I wait for dorf?
Just download it now, you triple goblin.

>>168492574
>triple goblin
Well done, my good chum.

>>168492024
Either way, the myth and legends are rumoured to come with "sliders" for worldgen, where you can determine how fantastic or mundane you want your world to be, among other things.

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Everyone died from fucking dehydration

I thought I was making tons of booze

>>168493170
>La la, the grownups are dead, guess we're off to happyland corpsedaddy!

>>168493294
He was in emotional shock until he died, I guess watching a werepanda take your Mom away broke his mind

>>168493170

What graphic pack is that?

>>168493570
Spacefox

>>168493570
Gayfox

>>168493570
Furries in space

>>168489139
I want to play as a babysnatcher in adventure mode. I wish Toady would make playable goblins more fleshed out. Why hasn't he relative to the elves and humans, etc.?

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I stationed two werebulls in a room and then walled off the entrance with a fortification. When they turned, they slaughtered each other. That was a surprise.

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>>168493982
Part of the problem is the mount situation.

>>168493904
Spacefox has such a weird mental disconnect, cute little dorfs, cute little animals, cute little gobs, bodyparts and gore and vomit everywhere!

>awww, look at that one on fire, how adorable

It was my favorite until I discovered CLA, and then learned how to make CLA nonSquare.

GemSet has a lot of the same bright cheery feel in higher resolutions, but I ended up going back to pure ascii tilesets+basic creature graphics since twbt fucks up adventure mode hard, and ended up just doing an HD ascii tileset without graphics nowadays.

>>168495439
Part of the problem is the mount situation.

Are goblins especially reliant on mounts or something?

>>168495494
Nah, adventure mode hauling units/riding units is weird, to be able to kidnap a kid you need to be able to pick them up and put them in a bag or backpack.

>>168495494
>>168495696
It'll also be needed for stuff like:
>idiot companion jumps in a river and starts drowning
>buddy ends up saving your ass but gets wounded and passes out
>trying to help someone escape from something but they won't try to climb up a wall with you right away
>lifting a foe bodily into the air before walking over to a ledge and tossing them over
>getting into a rough situation and grabbing a hostage before backing out of the room with them
>kidnapping people
>having babies and actually carrying them normally
>hauling people to a hospital or whatnot for treatment
>helping a drunk home by letting them toss an arm around your shoulders and staggering alongside you
>playing as a wild animal or monster and grabbing prey by the throat then dragging them out of a room as they struggle

>>168490216
should have built a wall...

>>168496167
Gotta love it.

Is there any way to have raised corpses equip items? It's somewhat annoying strangling these sleeping armoured swordsmen only to have their armour fall off the second they suffocate, then only having a naked zombie after that.

>>168496167
Im hot for all that realism in DF, but saddenly, we are probably very far away from that
I'd love if the wirld was more 'cohesive' in the sense of how everything works and what you do in it.

The trees and fruit update rally made the game so much more aesthetic and comfy.

>>168497692
Add an adventurer usable brewing reaction and go see what everything you find turns into!

>>168497889
>>168497692
I've been wanting to mod a set of venom inducing plants, like cicuta or datura. The syndrome system is complex enough to support this kind of stuff right?

>>168498480
Easily.
http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/DF2014:Syndrome

>>168497692
Yeah. The first time I saw the animations when they bloom in spring and drop their leaves in fall, it took my breath away.

>>168498480
>>168499862
I remember one time when I settled in a biome which had a mist that made your entire body rot.

The rot was easy for my surgeons to cure, and I never lost a dorf to it. HOWEVER, the eyes of the victims always remained "mangled" for the rest of their lives, meaning no more masterworks for them.

In any case, I remember that there was this one incident when an entire group of herbalists got surprised by the mist. As they fell unconscious from the mist (another effect of it), they also dropped their harvest, and said harvest ended up with a coating of the mist's substance on it. When the mist had gone away, and the victims where brought to the hospital, the mist-coated food items were brought to the food stockpile.

Soon thereafter, I found my dwarves falling ill left and right in my food stockpile, after trying to eat the mist-coated fruits and berries.

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How do you guys cope with fps death?

>>168501193
Start up a new fort

>>168501193
I dont
I play on a computer, I've never had a fort enough time to experience the actual game on it's fullest, and seeing the speed of complexity the game is geting, I probably never will

All in all, its my favourite game
I find it particularly funny that such a broken, unfinished, clearly bad optimized piece of crap like this game has become my favourite of all I've ever played
Life sure is weird

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>>168501449
All those fortresses will be lost in time, like frames in a siege.

>>168501728
>I play on a computer
Good for you.
I, like many other gentlemen of exquisite and exuberant taste, play DF on paper.

>>168502592
retard problems, meant laptop

>>168499862
Yeah the blooming flowers and the falling leaves and petals are really pretty.

>>168501728
Even in it's currently unfinished state, DF is one of the greatest games ever made. After the magic release it will climb even more in the ranking.

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>>168504334
>magic release
That sounds sexual.

>>168504510
No it doesn't dude

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>>168505896
You couldn't tell if something was sexual even if it fucked you in the face you fucking nerd.

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>>168506038
Is this sexual?

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>>168506085
It's fucking degenerate is what it is.

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>>168506149
Its love, anon. And love is never degenerate.

>>168506571
Elv needs to be taller and less thicc.

>>168506595
elves are the same size as dwarves though, 60,000

>>168506839
Not in my fantasies and that's the only thing that counts.

>>168506861
Do your fantasies involve beanstalks and giraffes too, you dirty long un'?

>>168507159
Only elv

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>>168507286
Elves getting mauled to fucking death, maybe?

>>168507475
Why don't yuo like elv?

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>>168507550
thsi

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>>168507550
"Elves are wonderful. They provoke wonder.
Elves are marvellous. They cause marvels.
Elves are fantastic. They create fantasies.
Elves are glamorous. They project glamour.
Elves are enchanting. They weave enchantment.
Elves are terrific. They beget terror.
The thing about words is that meanings can twist just like a snake, and if you want to find snakes look for them behind words that have changed their meaning.
No one ever said elves are nice.
Elves are bad.”

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>something has pulled a lever

it's working

his time has come

>>168507856
Did it lower the drawbridge to the entry to the caverns with hell open?

I thought of a good solution to clearing out the initial wave of demons. Basically just as soon as you breach it/get your breaching dwarf safe (optional), toggle a bridge that shuts off the path to your fortress, and then toggle another bridge that shunts all the demons into a chamber near/on surface that has a closed bridge to the outside, and then seal off access to your fort from the surface. So you'll just have a bunch of demons in a room waiting to be released. Then when a goblin siege comes you could release them. Or just keep them in there.

tl;dr you can just use bridges to seal off demons and potentially unleash them on goblin sieges/caravans.

>>168508129
Please do it and keep us posted on how it goes.

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>>168508047
It's an alarm, now he's trapped. I'll just set the webbed cages now.

>>168508129
I do that with forgotten beasts, you'll need a huge amount of sieges to clean hell up, the gobbos don't stand a chance.

>>168508368
Relicwebs?

>>168508662
No but I did steal the colors

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>>168508129
>>168508367
Like this.

>>168508368
Maybe could separate the demons into smaller groups using bridges and then release them bit by bit.

>>168508905
Yes, I believe separating them is essential. The last time I did it was with a giant humanoid made of rock with some kind of spittle/vapor, he tore through goblins like a machine, but If you can release him at a big group of invaers it's very likely they will win.

Right now I have a dinosaur with vapors (which apparently kills almost instantly) trapped near the entrance hall, but I haven't tried him against any invaders. Also an insect with webs, but I keep him for clothing.

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Does he really believe people are going to the wiki pages for languages in the game just to get his silli joke?
Toady could ban him someday tbqh familia

>>168509678
If you want to rage check the quality of his posts in the "Sex" suggestion thread.

>>168509678
But honestly with that being said he's probably just a cute little autistic 15 year old. So I can't say I really bear any ill will towards him.

>>168510326
>>168511239
i think its hilarious u kids talking shit about Random_Dragon. u wouldnt say this shit to him at dwarfmoot, hes jacked. not only that but he wears the freshest clothes, eats at the chillest restaurants and hangs out with the hottest dudes. yall are pathetic lol

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>>168509678
everything about him seems like a perfect chrystallisation of eberything I hate about the bay12 forums

>lolsorandom (i.e. "Pyscho Bored Dragon")
>edgy humour outside of image boards
>probably shares "funny memes" on facebook
>lol im so CRAZY, here in the DF community we're all CRAZY lol

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>>168511632

>all this women drama over some kid at b12

disgusting, keep it there

>>168511801
I reckon I could take on toady. His lack of physical activity and poor dietary habits, against my martial arts and wiry strength would be no contest.

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>>168512221
You forget your place...

>>168512221
would you teleport behind his back and slice his throat like in anime too?

>>168512213
Your post is even lower quality. Congratulations, you sunk to the bottom of the barrel.

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>>168512221
>>168511632
>*katanas behind u*
>*unzips teleporter*
ur dead kiddo

pic is me and my gf btw

>>168512221
>Toady One enters a martial trance

>>168512805
Fuck off retard, this bitching about who you like or not in bay12 belongs at bay12.

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>>168513043
no u faggot

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why cant DF be this advanced?
I would donate right now to Toady If I knew this kind of precision would be in the combat system some day

>>168514381
It would just be bloat.

If you want it, you can mod it in like napoleanon (the creator of the mod in your pic) did.

>>168490268
We're lucky if we get them at early 2020

>>168512645
that is an absolutely beautiful pic

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Anyone need anything drawn?

>>168516643
Draw toady commanding a giant war scamps to tear a goblin apart pls

>>168512221 this guys the gobbo

>>168516643
Two dwarven squads fully clad in steel with limbs as weapons charging at a goblin army and their demon overlord who is wearing only a loincloth made of elven ears and unicorn horns.

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>tfw want to dorf
>tfw dorf

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>>168507691
You fool, you mentioned the Lords and Ladies by name!

>>168516643
one-legged dwarf struggling to keep balance in his new crutch while saying "oooh'

>>168519248
what is the context behind this

>>168516643
elf getting cucked by dorf

gobbo and dorf declaring peace while elf screeches autistically

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>>168520569

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>>168520875
>>168520569
More explanation:

>dude idly wished they could play as Guts
>I got cocky and said I knew how it could be done
>suggested how
>thought about it later that night
>started trying to test out how I was doing it
>kept having trouble getting it working right
>finally managed to get the limb made out of metal properly
>decided to test it was all properly metal and learned I had somehow ended up with flesh and bone fingers on the end of a metal arm
>fiddled with things more until I got it working fully
>realized while testing that it worked properly that I was playing a naked human female with a metal arm who was crying as she bludgeoned another naked human female with her own severed burning arm to make sure the metal one was all metal

Can I die if I ignore my bloodthirsty as a vampire adventurer, or can I just carry on being an immortal superhuman murder god?

>>168522120
Can't die, but it does start to get annoying, I wonder if we can have drinking blood make you get Focused! though.

>>168508129
Make sure to use magma safe materials for the bridges

>>168523678
Fuck off namefag.

>>168522016
oh

>>168523919
wait, shit sorry
completely forgot I still had that shit still up

>>168524098
>wait, shit sorry
You are unforgiven.

>>168524201
I just wanted to mock the actual namefag back on another board
karma's a bitch

>>168523678
>Dragonfire can't melt steel bridges
>But masons can deconstruct anything
really makes you thing

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Anyone know where I could get some good height maps? I got the ones for pic related from the NASA, but somehow the color for water came mixed with the first level above that; same with the bathymetry map and the color for land, which looked even worse.

I guess I could play future fantasy europe, as climate change starts reversing or something like that

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>>168516845

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My adventure companions are a husband and wife team of monster hunters. I almost had a heart attack when the husband had his neck cut open by a night monster, but he's a real trooper.

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>>168525151
Wouldn't the reverse of climate change be climate stability? Isn't that a nonsense phrase because climate is just weather over a long period? Why can't people go back to alarm over global warming or cooling and at least pick a direction instead of the vague "we're scared about something which is defined as accumulated change because it is changing!" shit?

Blah, anyways, looks like they took the map in this image and did this with it: http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-tqR2jikMfeU/VZbv1P2Gi1I/AAAAAAAABAk/iUpWTT8I5XI/s1600/europeelevation.75dpi_bw.jpeg which should be workable if you flip the shades back or use it as a mask?

>>168527137
Cozy.

>>168526734
Holy fuck that turned out so much better than I thought was possible. Saving that toady face on its own for good measure.

>>168527726
Hee hee hee

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>>168527787

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>>168526734
check 'em

>inb4 no dubs on /vg/

>>168525151
Tried editing it in gimp/photoshop/etc (just playing with levels) to get the water line where you want it to be?

>>168527443
>Wouldn't the reverse of climate change be climate stability?
No, the opposite of change is stability. But if someone saying "change [is] reversing", he's probably referring to the direction that's reversing.
>Isn't that a nonsense phrase because climate is just weather over a long period?
No, but yes, think of it as the average weather changing.
>Why can't people go back to alarm over global warming or cooling and at least pick a direction
The direction is clear and there is no question about it, earth on average gets warmer. Even people that don't believe in _anthropogenic_ climate change don't disagree with this. However, people don't understand that a global mean warming can mean that some points (in both space & time) get cooler (remember that stupid fuck that brought a snowball into congress as proof that climate change is bullshit?), so the term "global warming" isn't used anymore. Furthermore, it's not just the temperature that increases, there is a whole range of changes, which all are important, so just calling it "global warming" wouldn't describe it usefully.

>"we're scared about something which is defined as accumulated change because it is changing!" shit?
It's very well defined. And yeah, the mere fact that it's changing is already the problem.

>>168531487
You just dump a bunch of humans in a fort arena or is it a custom arena layout?

>>168531610
I've been following the subject for decades now, and long learned that any discussion about it is pointless for any and all sides. I just remain irked at things like "accumulated change in weather change reversal" or even "global average local average kinetic energy variance over time" because they're so absurd when unpacked and I can't keep myself from dissecting words.

>>168532574
Custom arena layout.

My fort died when all the undead I killed came back in prices, how do I prevent this next time?

>>168531610
>Tried editing it in gimp/photoshop/etc (just playing with levels) to get the water line where you want it to be?

That's the first thing I did
I mixed the height map with the sea depth map, so first thing I did was to trim away the lowest level on the height map (pure black) so the depth map could be seen through. Shit didn't look right and europe had lost land to the sea, so I tried the same with the depth map by trimming off the highest level (pure white) which made europe gain a lot of land. Hell, doggerland looked like dogshit.

They just both seem to skip a level, no matter what I do: it's just #000000 both at the sea and the coast
http://visibleearth.nasa.gov/view.php?id=73934

Had to join the B1 and C1 10800x10800 tiff pics, I'll try with the 21600x10800 png, will try with. I mean, they'll be downscaled to 257x257 afterwards, I shouldn't really be bothered by the smaller resolution

>>168527443
Been playing around with that one, but it's just been a headache to convert to a grayscale that'd makes sense at all. Quality leaves a bit to be desired too, lots of weird square artifacts all around

>>168533039
>prices
Assuming you mean't pieces, try pulping them into a fine mist with some hammerdwarves
It totally won't end like that Itchy and Scratchy short

Rip magic

>>168533824
soon urist

soon

>>168535418
When will then be now, how soon is now, I don't know what color your eyes are baby but your beard is long and brown.

This is one of the first things that im trying to mod and Im wondering if I could add an extra arm to a creature by simply adding

[BODY:ARMS_STANCE]

[BP:RUA:right upper arm:STP][CONTYPE:UPPERBODY][LIMB][RIGHT]

twice

Why won't my dwarves gather Almonds? They gather up all the other trees I tell them to just fine, but they just ignore the almonds.

>>168539303
Stepladders maybe?

>>168531487
Alright guys, I've made an updated version of the google doc that has all the gladiator tournament information. I'm thinking since I have all next week free, I might organise a tournament like the one we had a few months ago. If everyone is agreeable to the idea, you can start sending in champions. We'll probably go for a 16 gladiator tourney, unless we get a surprising amount of combatants, so it's first in first served.

Here's the google doc >>https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1O9gK2tqxpqGkwe46vvBu51GNf30Tj8vPL33J5ni4Me8/edit#gid=1311675782

You can email me at [email protected]

Also if anyone wants to post some of the fanart created last tourney I'll add it to the doc, I only have the Sten pic I saved in case I ever did this.

>>168540523
Can you upload the doc somewhere where you don't need an account to read it?

In any case, it's great to have a tournament again. This time I'll participate, as well.

>>168538686
Well, yeah, if you do that you'll get something with three arms on one side, but making them left/right properly and adding lower arms+hands+fingers will work, it's what I did for the metal guts arm thing: http://pastebin.com/8XqkDbGH

>>168541694
Mobile posting from my bed so no trip, I'll look into it tomorrow. Also, if anyone has anything to add to the doc or wants to suggest something, please do.

>>168541812

Ah. I think i need to do some more research and develop a proper gameplan for what im trying to do. Was initially thinking a trainable goro from mortal kombat

>>168542292
I think there's a 4 arms template in the body default as is.

Guys need help.
im pretty new so I start farming and shiet and I allways run out of seeds, why?

>>168544579
Cooked plants dont produce seeds but brewed do.
and make sure you're gathering enough plants

you can change what gets cooked or brewed under z-kitchen

>>168544579
What >>168545247 said is a possibility. It could also be that you're making excessively large farms. If you plant a lot more than you need, then eventually you end up with a big stock of plants that aren't being turned back into seeds quickly enough to fill overlarge farm plots. This is a pretty common newb trap.

>>168546795
Yup, I went for big huge farms and then they end up rotting or people starving trying to haul it all, and pow, no seeds.

>>168533318
I generated eurasia as DF world with perfect world, but I can't seem to find the data anymore.

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>>168550728
found it. this is a perfect world save (1.7).
IIRC, I modified rainfall, drainage, etc to imitate Whittaker biome types (because the rainfall and temperature gradients which it's based on seemed to be similar to what DF is using)
No idea if it helps you, but it certainly won't hurt to post it (apparently I already uploaded it once):

http://www.mediafire.com/file/42ic5b5d5l7q5bn/Eurasia.pwset


Actually, there's another file in that mediafire folder, I assume it's a world generated from that PW file in whatever version was current back then (uploaded on 2014-07-22, so 0.40.something?). I doubt it's useful, but as it's online anyway, I might as well post it:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/ab0e62xzkwnbnhn/world_gen.txt

>>168552116
Also, that was before DF allowed two poles, so you might want to modify that.

So I cant get this creature to appear in the spawn list in the object testing arena.
http://pastebin.com/388rY8i1

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>>168540523
Plz make doc public

Here we go again lads!

>>168554176
Try this: http://pastebin.com/J6jN2xh9

>>168557058
Whoops, noticed that the color line should be:
[COLOR:7:0:1]

don't like it?

mod it OUT

>>168559895
Don't like... what?

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>finally made a fort that lasted until august
>dont know what to prioritize from the trader
oh FUG

>>168562183
meltable steel items if you don't have iron ore and flux, flux stones if you need them, different types of booze and fruit and food for different needs/preferences, leather/cloth for your clothes industry.

>>168557332
Does it function fairly well? Able to grasp 4 items at once?

Just starting out and made a cheat invincible human but haven`t seen many examples

>>168563449
Should work yeah, just tossed the right stuff so it would have the right limbs and materials and whatnot, didn't test it because I don't see why it wouldn't work as is.

>>168563449
Ive got be doing something wrong.
Made a new world and everything. Im sure its some minute detail that im overlooking but its becoming aggravating

>>168562183
Here's a few tips:

If you order max priority of every leather they'll send 4 bins of each kind and you'll never need to worry about it again. It'll be expensive.

High value materials like native platinum and aluminum, kaolinite, and expensive gems can be useful.

Pearlash, potash, lye, quicklime can all be requested to shortcut some of the fiddlier industries.

Request crystal glass and silk for moods if you don't have the means to produce them at home.

If you don't have sand, request that for a small glass industry.

You can request mugs of exotic materials that you can't normally make them from, like gems and silk (yes really).

Request plaster powder for your hospital if you can't make it on site.

If you have favorite dwarves, check their food prefs and see if you can order them from the caravan.

Aside from that, just fill resource holes, especially for weapons grade metals.

I've never done anything glass-related, despite reading about it here very often. Can someone fill me in on the appeal of it?

>>168566021
Low value glass (and clay) is an infinite resource on maps that have it. Plus it provides a bit of flavor over only ever using stone/wood for everything.

>>168566021
Aside from sand being unlimited as >>168566260 noted, glass can be used for trap components, which are really valuable as low-effort trade goods, aquariums which can't be made from any other material (they're basically glass cages), and windows which can only be made from glass or gems. Glass doors are called portals, which is kind of neat. And building things from glass is classy as fuck.

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>>168564815
Ok, there were lots of mistakes that I overlooked because they didn't even occur to me, like [CREATURE_GORO] instead of [CREATURE:GORO] and whatnot, but this works right and has all the parts in place like it should:
http://pastebin.com/cAZPM98c

Flawless Victory!
Fool Destroyer 1 wins!

>>168565325
>>168562183
Requesting really expensive stuff like precious gems isn't worth while unless you've got tons of money in trade goods to buy it with (which isn't that hard to do, but if you're still new you might not have the means for that figured out yet (cloth industry=OP))

Buying lye is an extremely good deal if you have any use for it. They'll sell you a barrel full of 10 units of lye for about the same price as 10 logs, which you would have needed to make the 10 lye. They may as well just be giving you a barrel plus labor. I think quicklime is similar, but I haven't messed with it much. Pearlash and potash aren't such steals, but if you don't have a lot of wood it might be worth ordering them.

Do moods ever specifically require CRYSTAL glass?

Does the material a mug is made from matter to the dwarves who are drinking from it? Or the quality for that matter?

Is there a functional difference between a plaster cast and a splint, materials used aside?

>>168567189
:D

The labor system makes me nervous because I want every dwarf to be doing something useful.. so the number of idlers for instance gives just a little bit of anxiety to counter the comfyness. It gets worse as there are more dwarves, 80+ and I'd have no clue as to how to distribute labor.

>>168567724
What can I say, cute little newbie modders derping around like that hits a soft spot... probably one on my head, but hey, you got enough there to see how to do similar sorts of creatures, those are the basic parts to control the body layout, playable situations, material composition, size, attribute range, and speed. Other stuff is mostly flavor and can be worked out later, but it never hurts to have this page handy, I use it all the time and know most of them well enough to just fake my way through shit: http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/Category:DF2014:Tokens

>>168568093
I don't use therapist or anything, I just set what labours or squad I want on dwarves as they immigrate and forget about them and just make sure the industries are supplied. You sort of go from microing your starting dwarves and first wave to macroing a fortress and it's industries.

>>168567273
I agree that new players might not be able to meet the caravan's profit requirement for expensive mats, but luxury items are nearly the only thing trade is useful for once you're good at the game. Ostentatious displays of wealth are good habit for a new player to get into anyway, because the initial allure of the superhard autism simulator wears off pretty quick once you learn how to play well.

I wasn't suggesting those for their value, but for their convenience. They just cut steps out of long production chains. If you're making clear glass, for example, pearlash will almost always be your chokepoint, as every delay in prior steps accumulates in latter steps.

Yes, cloth and glass are unique in mood requirements, as both will always require a specific type, and that type can be demanded even if you've never produced them on site. You can usually scrape out a green/clear glass or a plant/yarn cloth in a pinch, but if you haven't got spiders or rock crystal on site when a moody dwarf needs it you're fucked unless you took advantage of the caravans for it.

Not at all, it's just for the fun of it. The tool a dwarf uses to do a job never gives a thought. Unfortunately.

Exactly the same AFAIK. I'm pretty sure plaster casts are destroyed when they're removed, so it has a small anti-clutter effect. Otherwise it's just for the pleasure of a fully stocked hospital, or a wood saving measure for shallow and treeless forts.

I didn't mean for my advice to be taken as recommendations for achieving efficiency or minmaxing or whatever. Caravans aren't really an effective tool for that anyway, unless you're stealing from them or using exploits.

>>168566260
>tfw building an aboveground fort entirely from clay

>>168568093
You can turn the idlers indicator off if it bothers you. It's a setting in d_init.txt

>>168569341
>Ostentatious displays of wealth are good habit for a new player to get into anyway, because the initial allure of the superhard autism simulator wears off pretty quick once you learn how to play well.

I feel a bit odd reading that sentence and wholeheartedly agreeing with it.

I wasn't trying to criticize you or anything, just adding my two cents and trying to get a few things clarified.

How do i kill children they are so useless?

>>168570568
Pouring magma on them works wonders.
In a pinch, you can just lock them outside and let nature run its course.

>>168571420
Childcare except use metal spears in the repeaters for the dodge pools and use magma instead of water for the dodge pools.

>>168571420
children don't go to burrows tho

>>168570423
>I wasn't trying to criticize you or anything
I didn't take that way, and it wouldn't have taken it personally if you were criticizing me. That's what we're here for, right?
For such a seemingly innocuous mechanic, trade reveals a lot about a player's relationship with the game. Some players only use it to supplement their metal or food industries, some players barely trade at all, some players steal every caravan, some will only trade rock crafts, etc. There's a lot of room for personal preference and fort philosophy to creep into a discussion about it.
Interestingly, the way I interact with caravans has changed more over the years I've played than nearly any other aspect of my playstyle. For example, I always request the maximum of every gem every year, but if someone had told me to do that when I was relatively new, or even when I'd been playing for a couple years I would've called them crazy. Economy arc when?

>>168571929
Yes they do. Burrows don't restrict where dwarves can go, just where they can perform jobs. That applies to children as well.

>>168575189
not gonna lie, that's actually a pretty sick burn

>>168540523
Ok, that's what I get for posting this late at night. I've made the document public, and it can be accessed here without requiring an account. You can start sending in your gladiators folks!

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Xaf7ze5dgC1L4h7Y8flaG6meHZtqiuVj7dojwvQx1yc/pubhtml

>>168575189
That is either stupid or brilliantly philosophical...

>>168540523
>>168540979
>>168575529

It's on baby
I'ts starting again

Im making one

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>>168575529

sent son lets go

>>168567189
Wow, thanks a lot. This is really helpful.

>>168578923
Incidentally, no, I don't know how to do:
>raiden lightning
>get over here
>most fatalities outside of like punching heads off by just jacking up stats crazily
>proper retracting arm blades

Oh, if you do figure out a proper trick for blasting someone with shit cold enough to at least give them frostbite right away, lemme know, I tried but had no luck with my first few tries for ksbd angels (cold white flame=would be neat if it was cold enough to fuck your shit up, but it dissipates too fast) so I haven't bothered trying more there yet.

>>168575529
How many points does a roach man (35k) get?

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>Someone transformed into a were beast and fought the entire fort
time to gas everyone

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>>168579989
>yfw the werebeast awakens near the general meeting area

>>168579989
ELF CROSSBOWMAN DETECTED

>>168579507
I'll allow roach men 260, due to their unremarkable abilities. Flying doesn't give the ai any particular advantage, does it?

>>168578502
>>168577902
>>168576146
>>168577450

Get keen lads

When will lighting become a factor in DF?

>Male
>Big titties and blushes

>>168580459
It kind of is. When you build your caves deep in the ground sunlight will make them sick

>>168580686
formatting ;)

>>168580686
fuck you read it more closely

>>168580823
Whoa guy

>>168580892
think more carefully before you badmouth my wife

>>168580751
But I mean in the sense that you need lamps and lanterns to see shit in the underground.
Also oil and natural gas reserves to be found deep underground and if you play a world long enough an industrial revolution will start.

>>168581303
>Urist carries a lantern and mines in to a natural gas reserve

kek

>>168581151
In that case you have 26 unspent points.

I've allowed whips in this tournament, but if I'm a little concerned about how strong they'll be. I've made them pretty expensive, but still. If anyone has any suggestions or ideas, feel free to voice them.

>>168581527
aren't they not that good anymore?

>>168581527
lemme get an iron helm then

>>168581616
They were nerfed in one of the recent updates, but they're still quite strong. I'm a little cautious about including them, so I'd rather they were expensive.

>>168581729
Done

How many points should a spermwhaleman be allowed?

>>168581932
They can't breathe outside of water, so they can't fight in the arena :(

>>168582219
Oh shit, forgot I modded mine to not be aquatic. There goes that idea.

Gotta admit though it would have been pretty funny if we both forgot that little detail.

>>168582219
Well spermwhales breathe air though

>>168582380
They don't suffocate immediately, so it would be funny to see if a gladiator could win fast enough to not drown.

>>168582406
Yeah but I don't wanna mod them, I'm afraid of trying to balance those monsters. They're fucking huge.

>>168580447
Cool.

Can roach men use shields? I see that kobolds (20k) can't, but dorfs (60k) can. What about the roach men (35k)? It seems like a borderline case.

>>168582625
Yes, they can. Just tested it in arena mode.

>>168582537
Nah bro. They can only stay underwater for a certain amout of time they only die when they beach themselves because they dry out.

so i guess really they shouldnt be aquatic and kind of replicate it with cave adaptation

>game breaking bug

>>168582761
Is multishielding allowed?

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damn immigrants getting bit by werebeasts and then joining the fort

I'm going to have to contain the entire fort now so the beasts don't get out

goodbye dorfs

>>168583357
Heh, sure. That was a viable strategy last time.

>>168583373
As always, the solution is magma.

>>168584557
I'm just going through some learn and go forts right now, I tried doing the bridge smash trick but I couldn't get the dwarf to move under the bridge for some reason.

>>168584613
Godspeed then, noble anon. May you dwarves suffer just enough to bring joy to your heart.

>>168575529
Figured I'd point this out, on the Rules tab:
>Example: Sten is a Minotaur. Minotaurs get 160 points to spend. Sten spends 120 points before his first fight. He wins his fight. Before his second fight, Steng ets 180 points to spend (160+40)
Should be 240. Also death to Stenfags.

Can't have leather shields? Whyever not?

>>168585584
Whoops, fixed. Thanks for that. Tell you what, I'll allow leather shields. I'll just make it so they cost the same as wood.

Sten won fair and square you dirty foot fetishist

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>>168585989

>>168585989
Are coats allowed? If yes, how much?

>>168585989
I was thinking on sending an 'anon' as participant from my mod, but I wanted to know if that's allowed
They are basically humans but a little fattier, and a little smaller (65k cm3)
I can remove all the interactions so they dont have any weird advantage
Would that be okay? I find it funny that one of us can battle against sten

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>>168586602

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>>168586639
;(

>>168587578
He should apply in the tourney.

>>168587737
he already has

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>>168585989
Images seem to be broken in the doc. May just be something on my side but don't think so.

>>168540523
I just tossed an application your way, Tourney-kun.

I did a bit of testing beforehand, and I must say I'm pretty confident in my roach man.

looks like it's up to me to bump this thread

>>168586168
Cloaks and coats can be worth 15.

>>168586442
I guess that's fine, if they're slightly chubbier humans. Weight is generally an advantage, so I'll make them slightly more expensive, costing 215.

>>168588276
Yeah, they aren't showing up for some reason, not sure why. I'll see what I can do. Thanks for the pics.

>>168588894
May the Great Toad have mercy, hehehe

>>168583373
Neat enough I guess the Werebeasts ended up killing each other or people that were afflicted just died in the hospital, The fort is thriving again and now I made a neato Archers tower so elves and goblins can fuck off now.

Still haven't found magma though, Still need to look into how to use it and what not.

thread is dead

i wonder why...

>>168593301
hey Tourneyanon, you need to enlarge some of the table columns on the gladiator list

>>168593301
Ok, we have our first 7 gladiators! Keep sending them in. So far we have 2 dwarves, 1 elf, 1 human, 1 goblin, 1 roach man, and a gremlin. Seems like the bigger contestants are yet to arrive, if at all.

>>168595262
I also realised the doc wasn't on the right public setting, so people weren't allowed to visit the proper doc and copy it if they wanted to, so here we go
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Xaf7ze5dgC1L4h7Y8flaG6meHZtqiuVj7dojwvQx1yc/edit?usp=sharing

Also you can see fanart with this link, its much better. Sorry, still getting used to using google docs.

>>168595653
I just sent in a small adjustment for my fighter. I realised that dodging was far more important than armour when you're 35k small.

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>>168595653
>tfw tourney-senpai uses your OC as his profile pic

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>>168595992
N-not because I like you or anything!

>>168545247
>>168546795
Thx m8s didnt knew that!
>>168549557
That would pobably happened to me the next run if I didnt got the warning, again thx

Fucking werebeasts are destroying my shit.

>>168599261
How did they reach it in the first place? Don't you flush?

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Here's a fresh piece of fanart to liven the tournament up a bit.

>>168599980
Genius.

>>168599667
Well for example werebulls infested a lot of dwarves in this fort before, so I retired it and reclaimed after playing adventure mode for a bit. But now they keep sneaking in with the migrants. Alternatively, some werecamel, etc. will appear at the edge of the map and then bite a few of my dwarves, and I have to quarantine them, and there's a chance I'll miss one, and then it keeps spreading, and there is blood and gore everywhere.

What do you mean by flush? I'm considering keeping my gates closed to every migrant wave until the full moon.

>>168599980
Thanks for that frown-anon. Added to the fanart section.

>>168599667
Why flush the feces when you can make dungbombs with it

bumping this thread with no survivors

>>168599980
Hey thats me!

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>>168599980
Annie Mae looks hot as fuck.

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This was always my favorite piece of art that came out of the tourney. I'm probably biased because I was Sten's manager, but oh well, it's an awesome picture.

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>>168613505
Time to die.

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Is the anon that was worried about his companions dying still around?

Also, I need to mod humans into a playable fort race

>>168614061
>Also, I need to mod humans into a playable fort race
That has to have been done already

so guys, now that a beta build for DFHack has been released, is there any cool stuff you can do with it aside from making >14 days pass in the calendar?

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>>168614061
>Is the anon that was worried about his companions dying still around?

>>168614383
>That has to have been done already

But not exactly the way I want it done.

>>168615051
hey, you're not me
Honestly any way at all will do, I just kind of want to save these poor dudes. Still looking around the forums

>>168614061
>>168614643
Oh

Oh I see now

;w;

>>168616548
I really, really, really like this pic.

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>>168617104
Me too.
It makes me feel better every Friday night.

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>>168616548
>>168617210

Just added [SITE_CONTROLLABLE] right now, let's see if I can Make Humanity Great Again instead of fucking up the save or something

I mean, with baddases like Deg, how did humans even get beaten up?

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>>168617796

Hey op, can you link the tourney for the next thread?
>>168595653

>>168619312
>the next thread
That'll be in about 4 days then.

If I'm using the latest version of DF, should I download the 32 or 64 bit DFhack?

>>168620635
Depends on whether you're playing the 32 or 64bit DF. There's a latest version of both.

I'm experimenting with ranged weapons in adventure mode to see under what circumstances they could be viable weapons. So far, they seem pretty shit, but I'm curious. Are the still shit even at the highest skill level?
So are there any DFhack commands I can run that increase the skill level of my character? For archer and bowman/crossbowman, obviously.

>>168621048
I downloaded it right off the main page. I didn't see anything about what specific version it was.

>>168621228
The one on the main page is the 64-bit one.

>>168621568
All right, cool

>>168616548
So was it actually one mirrion troops?

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Here are some more gladiators.

There isn't too much plump service, is there?

bamp

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So the coolest thing just happened. I decided to take a break from playing my succubus (male) character and play a swarthy elephant man monster hunter for awhile. So I'm trekking around the swamp, doing my thing, when suddenly I see some demons fighting a nightcreature spouse. So I go over there and wouldn't you know it, my original succubus character is right there with them, kicking the shit out of the thing. But I didn't want to risk him dying so I leapt in to ensure the job got done quickly, killing the monster with a few blows of my axe.

Man I just think its so cool how two different characters you make can end up meeting one another purely by chance and team up against some foe. Its crazy.

>Volcano
>Sand
>Dolomite
>Lots of surrounding gobbos for extra fun factor


I think I just found my favorite embark ever, If only it had a river and the queen of the only dwarf civ wasn't a goblin it would be pure perfection.

Is there any reason not to kill any sentient beings you find in a lair? Like, they're totally werewolves right?

>>168627604
>queen of the only dwarf civ wasn't a goblin it would be pure perfection.

Isn't it obvious anon? This is your mission. Attract the queen to your fort, and when she takes her seat in your hall, arrange an accident. You must save your people from goblin encroachment.

>>168626856
stopped reading as soon as you memed
it's a shame, the pic looks interesting, but I'll never know your story because you're a colossal memester faggot

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>>168627604
>Tfw I discover half of the embark is reanimating

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>>168628047

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>>168628047
It may be a meme, but the description is accurate.

>>168627941
>Is there any reason not to kill any sentient beings you find in a lair? Like, they're totally werewolves right?

Werewolves literally never form lairs. The only sentients that live in lairs are the ones that somehow managed to alienate themselves from society and become hermits.

>>168628556
>Werewolves literally never form lairs.
But they do.

Find a human peasant hanging out in a lair, look him up in the legends, see that he's a werebeast, then come back here and admit to being a fag who doesn't know how the game works.

>>168628760
Guy who originally asked the question here. So werewolves nest in lairs and stuff, but is what >>168628556 said even halfway true? Like uh, there isn't any chance that I'm about to bisect some harmless old hermit, right?

>>168628556
Pretty sure hermits aren't even a thing outside mastercuck

>>168628970
Ah all right. Just wanted to be sure before I went on a killing spree.

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>>168628970
pretty much this.

that fag was probably talking about masterwork werebeasts, which IIRC are raw-defined.

it's amazing how people who only play mastershit always make weird assumptions that the weird shit in masterbloat would somehow also apply in vanilla.

>>168628240
keep on using words you don't know the definition of, champ

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>>168629804
"Atypical communication" applies perfectly to you. You were unable to read and appreciate an otherwise interesting post, simply because one of the words he used triggered you.

>>168629471
I read all the text in this image everytime it is posted. It just makes me more happy.

So I'm fast traveling around town and I keep seeing asterisks around the town map, but when I check them out they're always bards or something like that.

S-should I kill them?

>>168630149
the only one triggered is you

>>168630149
So apparently anyone who boycotts anything is autistic?

What music do you people listen to while playing DF? Here's a personal pick:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QdGD3Ukb3Q0

>>168630739
>n-no u

>>168630849
>"boycotting" certain posts on 4chan
way to make a statement lad

>>168626856
After my elephant man saved the life of my succubus character, he's been following me around on the map. I guess we're friends now?

Also, I've never really seen adventuring parties like this before. well, they must be more like patrolling guards. They wander the wilds outside the city from what I can tell, and they go around killing any dangerous creatures. I even saw them set up camp once.

>>168630351
>S-should I kill them?
of course

>>168631752
Got it. They're probably werewolves in disguise anyway, and they aren't my species so its no skin off my bones.

>>168631868
Holy shit the town seems to be doing the job for me. Everywhere I go I see the townsfolk beating the shit out of any bards they find. Curiously, they all have goblin names. I suspect conspiracy.

>>168527137
The wife was killed in battle with a night crone, but her husband struck the final blow. I feel really bad now because this guy is crippled for life and his wife is dead all because of my vain desire to rid the island we're on of monsters.

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>>168631364
I ended up tracking a werebeast only to find it was headed straight toward the camp where my demon friends were, and was about to leap upon and brutally maul my demon character. I had my elephant man literally throw himself into the path of the charging monster, and he took the hit instead (without it piercing the skin, thank Armok). We then worked together to put the thing out of its misery.

This is the most fun I've had in adventure mode for a looong time.

>want racially pure town
>Don't want to cause a loyalty cascade
>check Legendsviewer
>...
>literally everyone who isn't the main species of that civ is listed as x outsider, meaning their a criminal.
>almost 100 subversives are in my town.

I am going to pogrom the shit out of everything and it will be fun. I can totally do that without fucking everything up right? If they're all outsides that means their free game, I think.

>>168637254
*they're a criminal

>>168631364
There's a lady consort who follows me around like that, every time I see him there's like 10 more recruits following him. Either he wants to give me an army or I'm going to be the victim of the biggest gang beat down ever seen.

Wthat are the best/worst weapons? I only know that whips are op and scourges are total shit.

>>168638621
I think we're friends but yeah, you never know with dorf fort.

>>168639434
One time a guy was following me around everywhere so I finally stopped and asked him where he was traveling, he said "I'm on a very important mission." and immediately shot me in the head with a crossbow.

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What did Toady mean by this?

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>>168638914
Please respond

>>168641025
Huh, I asked him the same question and he didn't to that to me. I think he's a member of the town guard, which is now a thing apparently, so he just patrols around the town and fights monsters on its outskirts. Whereas a bandit in the same situation would behave like you described.

>>168641352
no, just stop posting already.

also bump from page 10

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>>168643175
If we all answered eachother's questions maybe we wouldn't be on page 10

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more to come

>>168641352
There isn't a best weapon. Almost all of them perform well in certain niches. Scourges, mauls and flails are bad for pretty much everything, but even those will kill in the hands of a skilled user.

>>168643101
That's all I can seem to get out of travelers. Hopefully the next update will let us ask them about their mission

>>168643783
>>168644909
What's this new drawfag we're seeing?

Please, feel free to keep drawfagging after the tournament, too. We need resident drawfags of this caliber.

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I've retired my elephant man and went back to playing my incubus character. So far my first adventure is leading these outlander humans on a safari to hunt some nightcreatures, since one of them (who I have decided is the leader of the group), talked about it with me. I joined up with them in the tavern because they'll need a guide.

Man it has been a slog. One guy got mangled by harpies and almost died before the rest of us could get to him. Another one, one of our bowmen, got his arm torn off by a giant lion. And when we finally found one (1) night creature, it took all of us tackling the thing and brutally beating it to death to come out on top. This is rapidly turning into some kind of horror survival deal.

>>168621614
32 or 63bit OS?

>>168646636
64bit

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>>168540523
Here's Coldsteel's death image by ninedots. Looking forward to the new tourney, this time we're going all the way. Working on my gladiator now.

On that note, Tourneyanon, what would the point cost be for a non-weapon non-armor item. Like say a minecart. Asking for a friend.

>>168643697

>implying they aren't both savages

The Planes of Eternity belong to humans and dwarves.

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>>168647758
>>168540523

And here's ninedots' lineup of all the gladiators. All of the other art I saved from the first tourney has already been posted.

>>168646714
then use 64bit.

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>>168648017
Oh, and then there's this.

>next update is released
>Get to playing it immediately and try and get to the endgame (finding a vault and getting the slab to banish a demon.)
>spend an in-game year questing and training and making friends and enemies ect in your quest to get strong enough for you to take on the angels
>armored in pure adamantine, you walk into the vault and lay low every single foe you meet, taking the slab and walking out a bloody mess, tired and hungry.
>Your companion clubs you from behind and knocks you out before slitting your throat and running off with the slab.
>He was an agent for another civ all along.

>>168628556
>find someone in a lair
>talk to them from far enough away if you can
>tell a story about them or nearby towns
>access legends mode without leaving the game

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>>168641104

>>168651010
>...walking out a bloody mess, tired and hungry.
>Your companion clubs you from behind and knocks you out before slitting your throat and running off with the slab.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GA4Ozqt7338

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>>168645415
>Please, feel free to keep drawfagging after the tournament, too. We need resident drawfags of this caliber.
i figured I'd been slacking in terms of keeping up my drawing so I'm using the tourney as an excuse to draw something. don't expect to see all that much of me after it's done, but don't be surprised if I still stick around

i've been posting in these threads for months by the way, just not as a drawfag

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>>168641352
Against human sized opponents with inferior material armor or none:
Picks > great axes > battle axes ~ war hammers > maces > 2h sword ~ long sword > short sword > spears

Against well armored foes:
Get a war hammer or mace or pray joint damage beats them unless you understand the combat system well enough to use multiattack with a whip and slide it up their nose to puree their brainmeats

Against someone or something larger than you:
Get a spear and jab it up their nose into the brain or tickle their heart with it, otherwise try to lop off heads or at least open up throats

Is tournament dead

>>168581303
Dwarves see in the dark, no? Still sounds very feasible and fun

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>>168655749
nice

>>168655971
presumably waiting for the roster to fill out
unfortunately I've already submitted 3 gladiators and i don't really want the thing to be comprised mostly of stuff i've submitted myself

so basically hurry up and submit some gladiators all you lurkers