/civ4xg/ - Strategy/4X General

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>>167492725
>>167492254
I got one a bit like that
except it's less "apartments next to farmland" and more "farmland in my city centre"
and I cant see any reason why I'd move it.

>>167520690
Why does Wiz only say interesting stuff in that shithole?

>>167520932
[XCOM INTENSIFIES]

>>167521003
Because Wiz is a fucking retard

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>Stellaris
>take a bunch of colonies from long time rival
>slowly purge the colonies while moving some of my own people over there

>>167522496
>Remove Ayys

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>>167482771
It's hard to believe it's been only 12 turns.

I've dropped an average of 2.5 atomic bombs every turn. The explosions and the resulting fallout has been the only way I've been able to keep up with the waves of much more advanced Mongolian forces.

The plan is to stay the course, build fast 3 movement guerilla units with altitude training to dart to Mongolian border cities to take it after dropping bombs and destroying their fallout shelters, allowing for the quicker annihilation of those cities. The UN is also almost done. With my vassal states of Indonesia, Assyria, and Denmark, voting myself hegemon may be the only course to victory.

>>167525418
Are you the one who did WWI with ICBM barrages?

>My main complaint about Sector/Planet Management AI was that it would accumulate minerals and energy but would very slowly upgrade or build new buildings on tiles with pops when it could afford it, if ever.
>Wiz makes no comment on this
>sector AI is still gonna be completely fucking useless

>>167525594
No ICBM's yet, but I did fight a WW1 era war with Mongolia a day or two back. It resulted in me only claiming one city before having to retreat to defend against the Danes. Mongolia did nuke one city but besides that it was rather non-nuclear.

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Hope u guys don't mind me posting space battles.
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>>167526978

>>167526821
>>167526978
>>167527310
what ship style is that? or is that the old guard

>>167527738
Dark-skinned Plantoid ships versus Molluscoid ships, it seems.

Just theory crafting here, but if the sophons get the 100% production on hot and then use there science output to terraform most of there worlds to hot, wouldn't they be unstoppable? Or does terraforming work different in ES2

>>167527862
dark skinned?

>>167527987
It's a workshop mod.
There's also a white/blue variety.

On that point, I kinda wish we didn't have to rely on mods for those different colours of ships, feels like it could be a base game feature.

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Time to kick some dimensional alien ass!

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>>167527738
It's from ISBS: Doomsday Weapons & Ships
These are the Leviathan class

>>167528127
Good luck, hopefully your fallen empires won't kick their ass for you.

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>>167528112
Like most of the quality and UI mods.
>Paradox quality.

>>167528302
Dont worry. you will be able to buy the RGB [species] ship pack for only 5.99!

What will replace the Robot revolution now that you can turn into robots?

So what's the best way to go about squashing other civs in Stellaris?
Vassals cost influence, conquering adds to your tech cost for a really inefficient work force, unless maximum negative ethics divergence negates that and makes xenos drift towards your ethos more.

Please. I'm sitting here just looking at the title screen. I want to go to fight, not sit there and tech up while ignoring everyone.

>>167530398
Tech penalties are pretty easily offset by just building a few dedicated lab planets so just go fight.

Grey Goo catastrophe when?

I heard there was a war demand in stellaris to eliminate them but even as militarist xenophobe im not seeing it. Is it just a mod or am I doing it wrong.

So at the end of endless ledgend the sun just disappears? Auriga doesn't orbit a star in ES2

>>167531540
"Cleanse" and you need purge policy I think?

>>167530398
Fanatic Militarist/Collectivist

Military Dictatorship

Industrious/Strong/Rapid Breeders/Decadent/Repugnant

Go full Zerg rush, forget about having a tech advantage and win early with superior numbers. 3 low-tech ships will always win over 2 medium-tech ships, and then you can just swoop in with a science vessel for those debris. Make sure you aggressively expand to new worlds for more starports.

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Curious, I never noticed that there's Goa'uld parasites.

>>167531853
only fucking problem i have early is space stations because getting to your first 1K fleet takes a fucking while is there any other way to deal with space stations?

>>167532504
What parasites?
I didn't see anything.

>>167532573

The slug thing penetrating the skull.

>>167532637
What are you talking about?
Are you sure you are not delusional?

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloodbath_of_B-R5RB
>stellaris will never be like this despite being a strategy game where you control hundreds of ships
>it will never actually feel like it made an impact

>>167532534
Not really, but Industrious+Strong+slaves will help you snowball quite a bit. And you can always just go to war in order to kill your rivals' mining stations and research their debris. Maybe kill some science ships too, and of course you can take any planet without a spaceport easily.

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>>167532753

Look at the picture. The black slug on its head and wrapping around its neck

>>167532995
Anon, you clearly see things that not exist. What black slug? There is no black slug.
You need to visit a doctor so you can be fixed.

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>>167532995
There is no "black slug" in that picture, anon. How stoned are you?

>>167532905
I take a small amount of personal pride that I took part in one of the previous record breaking battles in EVE the one where someone accidentally jumped a titan into enemy space That I podded a supercap pilot in it felt great even if it did result in him hunting me down for a month.

>>167532504

Well...one of the random insults for molluscoids is "parasite".

>>167532534
Also iirc, early spaceports don't have shields and so are more vulnerable to lasers than anything else.

>>167532995
There. Is. No. Black. Slug.
What. Are. You. Talking. About.
You. Are. Becoming. Hysterical.

To the guy who is doing those screenshots of ES2's plot lines, what do the Patriotic Shipyards and Emperor Module for the United Empire do? I can't get 4 militarist laws active.

>>167531584
that might explain it, I thought purge was on by default in xenophobe

What's the point of egalitarian (individualist) and authoritarian (collectivist)? It's not like you can't play as a monarchy/democracy without these two.

>>167536481
>egalitarian and authoritarian are opposed
What?

>>167536481
Please refer to them by their proper names of Noble Objectivism and Liberal Fascism.

>>167532504
I love how some creatures in Stellaris are cute to the point of goofiness, and others are just hella creepy

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What's the "aesthetic" weapons of Stellaris?

>>167536707
>>167536481
Paradox is just being retarded.


>>167537623
Don't start shit.

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>>167533219
>even if it did result in him hunting me down for a month

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>>167536707
>its not that all people all born equal and have equal opportunity, ambitions and ability and there is no need to enforce equality
> no need at all

>>167538018
All the energy weapons imo. Missiles and strike craft are pretty sweet to watch too, shame they're garbage.

Kinetics are just boring to watch because there really isn't anything exciting visually about a solid slug of metal, no matter how fast you fire it.

>>167538134
It did cost him a few tens of billion ISK in implants and like 2 months worth of training in t3 cruisers.

>>167533219
EVE sounds full of autists with overinflated egos.

>>167538482
Nah the amount of ISK he lost because you lose implants when your pod gets blown up was worth like $100. He was right to be mad since I'd basically ignored actual combat targets just to grief him once his supercap got blown up. I'd still do it again given a chance

>>167538903
>putting money in a game
Nah, he's shit. You were right to blow his face.

>>167538330
It's full of dudes doxxing important internet spaceship guy and cutting the power to his house so they can strategically ambush and kill his spaceship while he's logged off except that he foresaw this and installed a backup generator.

>>167539093
Everything in EVE is worth real money whether you actually put it in or not.

>>167539507
Did he send you any message?

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>>167536481

So, now that it will be possible to turn xenos and slaves into livestock and eat them, will you make a cannibal empire?

>>167541141
... N-no?

>>167541141
>implying I'm not going to make an empire of ass so that I can say I eat ass.

>>167538018
>ship turrets placed so that they shoot through the ship

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>167541837
>mfw didn't notice it until you pointed it out
Fuck you.

>>167541837
>Ship turrets all placed only along the top and side

It doesn't matter anyway when all the fighting happens on a 2d plane.

>>167541141
Damn right I will

>>167541141
>>167541335
>>167543041
Hopefully someone makes some Twi'lek portraits for that authentic experience.

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HAK HAK HAK

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How do I get gud at this fucking game? I have the largest fleet and a technological advantage but every time I go to war I just get butt fucked by the assholes around me.

>>167544232
You must be lost child refuge. Welcome in Swedearghhh...

>>167544354
>play as Imperium of Man
>defenses spreads too thinly to be efficient
I can't tell if you're a moron at playing or a genius at roleplaying.

man I cannot wait for stellaris 1.5

the game might actually be worth playing

>>167544354
don't use missiles

don't save your screenshots as .png

don't be one of those fags that pretends to be the imperium of man, seriously, there are so many of you fuckers

>>167544354
Get allies and vassals.
But I notice that now allies and vassals don't follow you anymore and just do shit.
So git gud.

>>167544502
I think at this point removing missiles and torpedoes would be good as they suck as completely.
BTW Do they plan to do something with AI and combat or it will be untouched?

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>>167541978
>>167541837
:^)

Hey guys

Where can I find the newest patch for CIV6? Haven't played so far, just pirated back in November and wanted to start now.

Do I have to get every update? Or just the last one? And if so, where?

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OP says /rsg/ so here goes.

Anyone here played 0 A.D.? How is it?

>>167544974
Oooh, I like the graphism. It's old school at fuck.

>>167544820
Humanoid ships are tje ugliest fucking thinge since the armors in Oblivion.

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>>167545289
They can make pretty ships, just not for the player.

>>167544496
Little bit of both

>>167544502
Are missiles really that worthless? I have around 100 missile ships in my navy I guess I should refit them.

>>167544510
I'm trying to roleplay so I don't want any vassals.

>>167545658
What is that?
Some mod or something?

>>167545842
Yes. They are slow as fuck and AI spams the point defence because its so easily available.

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>>167545992
Galactic Nomads event. Happens at 25/40/65 or never in a game. They'll either try selling 15 cruisers or want a colonizable planet in your territory.

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>>167546207
I wonder if i could be possible to make Migratory Empire possible, maybe even a playable one.
Something similar to how TW Attila has migratory civs and sedentary ones.

>>167546079
What about bomber and fighter crafts?

>>167546658
1.5 Banks brings orbital habitats, it's only a small step to add a thruster to the things. Same with mining/research stations.

>>167546658
It would be possible if most resources come from space(aka asteroid mining, energy collectors, etc).
Now it most come from planets. There are whole systems stripped of any resources.
Silly.

>>167546696
Good for killing AI fighters and missiles. They are still fucking slow.

>>167546979
Just give a space resource gathering specialization bonus to Migratory Empires. Something about how they spend all their lives in species has taught them how to more efficiently collect resources in space compared to planet-bound empires.

>>167546979
>>167548804
They could just generate power with solar arrays on their ships. Whenever they jump into a new system they would huddle up to the star for a bit while harvesters gather minerals before moving on. Might be cool

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>>167525418
The war is over.

After dropping 45 nuclear bombs on the Mongols over 18 turns the war is over. By the end the nuclear hellstorm had finally forced the Mongol GNP below mine and their military force finally fell below 1,400,000 (mine was 750,000 for the entire war). I was able to rush one of my brave guerilla units in to irradiated Mongol territory and take Cork. I rushed up as many units as I could muster to fortify the city and used the city's own airport to drop in even more. Ultimately Genghis Khan offered peace with a small gold concession. I took the deal because I wasn't certain if my units could fend off a counter attack against Cork in the irradiated land.

With a few Citadels I will secure Cork and 4 additional Uranium, doubling my supply. If war comes again I will be in even better position.

It may not come to that though since already I have enough United Nations votes to become World Hegemon, even when my vassal's votes aren't counted.

>>167526821
How'd you get the camera to track with the ship?

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>be relaxing in my empire just research and chill
>suddenly fanatical purifiers declare war on me
>defend myself and protect my galaxy by wiping them out
>somehow I'M the bad guy

>>167552028
Q

>>167552187
I really don't understand that. I mean for other races sure fine you are pretty bad for genociding them. But fanatical purifiers legit only have 3 states of diplomacy

1) Preparing for being at war
2) At war
3) Rebuilding after having been at war

And their wargoals are always either cede (which they will then purge) or cleansing planets. Wiping them it legitimately is making the galaxy safer.

>>167553256
Thanks, played Stellaris a lot and never knew that.

>>167554896
The best memes have some element of truth if them :^)

>>167544974
unoptimised open sores in development for 17 years

Goon Species Pack v1.0

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=858191485

Have species of your own you want to see added to it? Let me know!

Note: Goon species are set to spawn "ALWAYS". So disable this mod if you don't want to see them around constantly I guess? Open to changing that.

Also: Feel free to submit Fallen Empire flavoured empires as well. I'll also try to include any custom behaviours you might want or anything crazy like that.

>>167555595
>Goon

>>>/out/

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why does this fucking game get so god damn boring after 30-40 years every fucking time

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>>167560238

>>167560238
>>167560397
https://youtu.be/yHfLyMAHrQE?t=2m5s

What's the role of swarm missiles?

>>167561734
Overwhelm Point Defense guns.

>>167559375
Beacause after 30 or 40 years you've gotten a lot of the techs you want out of the tech tree, there's little left of the galaxy to explore that doesn't have some one living in it, and you have enough resources to not really have to make decisions on where to spend them anymore.

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>>167561883

Do Point Defenses attempt to target them?

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It feasts.

>>167561998
They do, just like missiles and torpedoes.
I assume that the idea is to have ships with multiple swarm missiles guns and a few torpedoes so that the point defense guns are distracted by the swarmers and don't attack the torpedoes.

But I might be wrong.

Has anyone ever finished any of the Precursor's questlines? It takes too long and soon the whole galaxy is filled with rival aliens that either block you or discover the planet by accident.

>>167562105
This is ISBS, right?

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>>167562210
Yeah

Do you conquer or turn your rivals into vassals? What are the advantages?

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>>167541141

>Not having a large number of vassals paying tribute in form of slaves to eat.

>>167562973
is this latest patch?

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>>167563053

Next expansion.

>>167562973
> may demand slaves
What's the point if all your planets are 100% full already? I guess you could purge less useful pops to make room, but that has it's own problems.

Stellaris really needs city-planets. I want to stack pops on one another like on Taris, Coruscant, or Trantor.

>boot up Stellaris again after a long, long time
>me and my four empire warparty goes against fanatical purifiers who are only slightly larger than each of us individually
>allied fleets don't stick together, and the purifiers destroy us with their early game corvette spam
Didn't this get fixed?

>Outfitting every ship with nothing but missiles in ES2
Prone to overkill and somewhat inefficient, but fun to just watch and slow down before all the missiles hit.

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Goodbye collectivism and individualism.

>>167563734
Mod?

>>167565040
Come on, Anon. Get on with the times.

>>167565126
Sorry, but I just started playing again after a six month hiatus or so. I have NO IDEA what's new and hot.

>>167565165
It's a picture of next update: Banks.
http://www.stellariswiki.com/Developer_diaries

wait so they are removing the purging options?

>>167565354
>megastructures
Oh my

>>167565581

No. They are expanding them.

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>>167565354
>factions being forced into a thing

yay just what I wanted less control over my empire!

>>167561998
Yes. Swarm missiles are also slightly faster than regular missiles/torps so they always get targeted first by PD, which they are immune to due to 200% evasion. The idea is they distract PD sufficiently that your actual damaging missiles make it through, which they do.

Missiles still do shit for damage though so even with swarms they're worthless garbage.

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Next Stellaris DLC when, I'm too hyped for this shit.

>>167566248
Don't be such a baby. This is good for Stellaris.

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>>167565354
>>167565776
Megastructures better be styled differently depending on the Ship Styles your Empire has, and they better give Fallen Empires's ringworlds new appearances similar to their Ship styles.

I'm going to be severely disappointed otherwise.

>>167563559
>What's the point if all your planets are 100% full already?

This problem alone makes Stellaris far less interesting than it could be. Both purge-and-replace and synths are essentially useless because when you already have full planets carpeted with happily working pops, the diplo penalty and resource hit you get from mass population replacement is just too fiddly to be worth your time.

The obvious answer is to slow down pop growth or allow pop exchange between full planets.
Unfortunately, since food us going global it sounds like the opposite of these is going to happen.

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>>167566683
And when I mean hyped for this shit, I mean the update, not my webms.


I'd really love to start some dyson spheres.

>>167567289
the fuck is going on here?

>>167567242
That ringworld looks fairly reptillian, so I'd assume so.

Think it'll be the same for dyson spheres, nexuses, and sentrys?

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>>167567383
ISBS's Ragnarok using its Spear of Cassius Anti-Fleet attack:
https://streamable.com/fw13

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>>167567642
>That ringworld looks fairly reptillian, so I'd assume so.
All of the megastrucutes in the dev diary seem to be textured similar to the Reptilian style. The ringworld seems to be using the current ringworld model but with new textures.

I hope Paradox isn't so lazy as to make all of the new stations' models exactly the same but with different textures for each ship style.

>>167567642
>>167568027
iirc Wiz stated that the megastructure models will be tied to your ship aesthetics. So mammalians have mammalian ringworlds, fungoids have fungoid rings, etc.

>>167566248

I unironically do want less control over my empire tho.

Paradox games usually excel at making you feel NOT like the supreme unquestioned autocrat of a giant state, but rather as a regime, a governing stratum, assailed much more by enemies within than by enemies without.

And dat's what I likes

>>167568569
>I like being only the weak emperor
BITCH get out of this way this thread is for REAL emperor only.

Brb gonna bomb Kharak to show rebels what happens if they disobey me.

I like Sins of Solar Empires, but building a proper infrastructure is a pain in the ass.
>trade port are expensive
>only give 0,03 brouzoufs per day

>>167568569
This man appreciates the right things.

>>167570398
This man does not appreciate that, without factions, he wouldn't HAVE rebels to grind his imperial boot on.

>>167573363
I kinda liked EU4's mechanism where you can just give more autonomy to rebellious provinces and slowly take back that autonomy as time passes.

>>167573542
>>167568569
I much prefer to play Crusader Cucks 2 for that kind of game; but I also hate when Crusader Cucks 2 randomly chucks me a curveball like "every one of your vassals hates your Heir for no good reason so your immortal empire collapses the moment you die"
at the same time it's kind of a good thing to have to rebuild from ashes every few years

except that the AI never seems to have trouble dealing with the exact same goddamn issues

>>167574179
That's why I prefer Europa Universalis IV to CKII.
You always face a lot of problem, but you know your 20,000 men and 10,000 riders can deal with it if the problems get out of proportion.
In Crusader Kings 2, your army is so small and there's not much you can do about it, and it's impossible to plan things on the long run because everything is random.
Wanna improve your relation with a vassal? You have a 5% chance to get a meager +20 bonus, and a 2% chance your chancellor fucks up.

>>167574330
>5% chance with 2% failure
you can easily get 20% chance with 1% failure by grinding out a lineage of Grey Eminences
Forging a better tomorrow through Court Husbandry (Eugenics to plebs) is practically the core of the game man

>>167570398

You still will have a ton of control in stellaris~ If you don´t wan´t to play nice you can always go for Stalin like purges and opression.

>>167568569
I feel factions will make the game better regardless if you want manage them (or suppress them)

>>167574604
>by grinding out a lineage of Grey Eminences
Yeah, but that's only later in the game.
I never survived more than ten years because everyone is shit at the beginning, my vassals hate me, I have no money to make a retinue, and the second my character die from a knife malfunction, my throne get usurped and I lose.

>>167574708
play a Count/Duke somewhere in the British Isles or an Irish """""King"""""

In general playing one of the big cheeses of the game from the start is a mistake

>>167574834
>play a Count/Duke somewhere in the British Isles or an Irish """""King"""""
That's literally all I've been doing. The only moment I managed to get anything done was when I played the demo : I managed to take over Ireland.

The moment I played the full game with all the expansions (minus the cosmetic ones), I started being unable to do anything without having factions, revolutions, revolts, jaywalkers.

>>167574931
If you're playing with conclave turn it off and try again
It ruins the game for all but the biggest spergs who already have a large amount of experience with the game

>>167563734
UN of Earth is going to be Authoritarian?

I mean it makes sense for the social programs, racial quotas and welfare.

>>167575063
What I need is a mod to make the AI less aggressive.

>>167575581
>>167574931
Anon I'm not hostile but maybe you're just shit because like honestly
Try playing as Denmark or Sweden in the Old Gods start
I'm supposing you fucked up Ireland already

>>167576553
to be fair he's said he struggled with Ireland with Conclave turned on which is a different thing to just fucking up as Ireland

Conclave is 1. Brutal and 2. Awful

>>167576553
I'm not shit. I do okay without DLCs.
The moment I started playing with them, I had so many things to take in consideration and so many things to fuck me up with no idea how do deal with them (like the factions, I can't ask them to stop their plot) that I completely gave up on CKII.

So yeah, I'm not looking forward to rebellions in Stellaris. Unless they keep the faction-o-meter that they already have implemented.

>>167577003
TURN
OFF
CONCLAVES

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>>167576797
>Conclave is 1. Brutal
Like whether or not it's awful is up for debate, I'll agree with that, I personally turn off half the features from that patch in the setup anyway
But brutal? Come the fuck on lad there's only a few starts in all of CK2 that can be considered 'brutal', I get that the council is annoying to manage for someone who isn't used to it sure but it ain't hard.

>>167577003
That's what I mean you're shit
I'll give you some advice anyway though

Factions are not plots, they're basically groups of people trying to push an agenda. The can legitimately be dangerous if they're of the Pretender type since those types generally get a lot of people to join
The best way to solve that is obviously to smiply kill the pretender in question. Otherwise you should try and get your vassals on your good side.
How do you do that? Well, first off hand out honorary titles. Try to keep your personal demense full. Do not create a shitton of ducal titles, because people will start asking for those titles - if you don't create them and none of your vassals have the ability to create them they can't complain and won't become dukes.
It doesn't matter if 'powerful vassals' desire a council seat unless giving him that seat will make his opinion relatively high (15-25+), or if he's in a faction. Anyone on the council is unable to join any factions.
When giving land to your vassals, scatter the holdings of those disloyal to you (one province on each side of the kingdom) so that if they rebel their troops are scattered and in insignificant chunks. Give the vassals who are loyal to you land scattered as well - this is because when you raise vassal levies it doesn't matter how far his holdings are, all his vassal levies are teleported to where you raised it.
Get a hold of your vassal's heirs too, so that you can educate them to love you (there's a special +10 or something Mentor opinion).
If you're a woman sleep around to get mad opinion boosts.

>>167577003
>I had so many things to take in consideration
It is Grand strategy after all

>>167577320
how do I make murdering people reliable and safe?

>>167577516
>reliable
Seduce their wives if possible, being someone's wife is a huge plus to plot power against them
If you go into their character screen then open their court tab you can also find who their spymaster is. If at all possible you want him to join in too, when you invite people to the plot get him even if you need to "convince with a bag of gold". I say this because a lot of other characters will also ask for money but they're not worth it, they're more likely to spill the beans by drunkingly rambling (random event) than actually help you with their piddly 3% plot power. Invite people in their court and rival vassals but don't invite too many 1% and 2% for the reason I just noted
You can also take the Intrigue focus which is quite honestly grossly overpowered because you can try killing people over and over for like 10 gold, and there's a 100% chance of kidnapping someone if you try for long enough.
None of these are 100% 'safe' because you might get caught but for the most part getting caught isn't the end of the world, even if you get caught after the fact, as long as you legit removed a threat.

About the ducal titles, the real reason it's dangerous is because if someone is the Duke of Normandy, he can ask for norman lands and you're expected to give him it or else you eat an opinion malus. He cannot ask for this without that title.

>>167552187
If you wanna be the good guy, liberate them and watch their former empire be a husk of its former self torn apart by ideological conflicts.

Hey guys

Where can I find the newest patch for CIV6? Haven't played so far, just pirated back in November and wanted to start now.

Do I have to get every update? Or just the last one? And if so, where?

What does (high) negative ethics divergence do, specifically for newly acquired planets containing other races? Will they flip to my ethos or do I need to purge them?

>>167579954
They adopt your ethos if it's negative.

Which Sci-Fi 4X game has best flavor/atmosphere?
>graphics

>>167579954
0 Ethics divergence means each Pop has 0 percent chance of changing Ethos each year.
Negative ethic divergence will mean a higher chance pops will switch an ethos to one of your own each year.

>>167580156
Wait, it's random? I thought it stacked, and once you reached -100%, it changed one ethic.

>>167580273
No. -100% simply means each pop has a 100% chance of changing a single Ethos to one of your own each year.
I'm not sure if this process is gradual or if a fanatical Spiritualist Pop can change to a Fanatically Materialist in a single year, but I believe it is gradual.

>>167580409
Mm, I can't say I like that. I hate randomness.

>>167580453
Then better make sure you research those Divergence techs.

>>167580142
Unironically Alpha Centauri

>>167580409

So a Fanatic Spiritualist Divine Mandate plus the edict would likely convert xeno pops to my ethics in decades, rather than centuries?

Unrelated, what's the strongest cookie cutter setup right now? I haven't played since 1.1.

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>>167580142
Gonna have to put my vote in with >>167580650
Some of the best flavour/atmosphere in games, full stop.

>>167580650
>>167580908
I hate Alpha Centauri so damn much. It's written to be depressing as fuck as humanity is turning into some A Brave New Wold shit where all the drones are working for the satisfaction of an elite and just be rewarded with some nerve stimulation.

That video game is my fucking nightmare.

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>>167581282
>he's a HFY type
See I'm not opposed to HFY
But it happens way too much

>>167581282
Most nightmares aren't nearly as well written or presented.
It's a good opportunity to remind yourself that you if there's any moral imperative to be had in the world, it's to avoid shit like that happening.
We must dissent.

>>167581348
Not him, but
>not wanting a dystopian future makes you HFY
>utopianism (or just good endings in general) are necessarily HFY beyond "yay, humans done did good"
wew

>>167581434
I judge stories on their own worth, not on some value system
BNW is depressing but it's well written so I don't get mad at it.

>>167581510
I fully agree, I love BNW and SMAC as stories. However, being personally opposed to their stories on a real, moral level (as in, "shit this is a good story but I hope this doesn't happen") doesn't make me or anyone else necessarily "HFY".

>>167581348
I'm not really HFY.
But I value Freedom above everything, so I love the society I live in. A society like in Alpha Centauri where you can die horribly or be a slave, a drone, if one of my worst nightmare.

My other nightmares usually include souls, but it's more of a fantasy thing.

>>167581432
Never said it was bad. In fact, it's good, but in an evil way. It's the kind of game where you do horrible stuff, but unlike Stellaris where you can do it for the lulz to ayyy scum, in Alpha Centauri, it's all about humans being bastards to other humans.

Like, we don't even need aliens to commit atrocities. It's like the Alien movies, in fact : the bigger enemies are not the mindworms, it's the other players.

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>>167581710
Maybe I misinterpreted what you meant by
>I hate alpha centauri so damn much
then

>>167581978
>in Alpha Centauri, it's all about humans being bastards to other humans.
You mean like all of history anon?

>>167582046
There's a reason I play sci-fi and fantasy, anon.
I like shooting undead and ayys in the face. I love burning their houses (or tombs, or hives) down.
I love deploying my mobile infantry and crush some bugs for the glory of the Empire. I love crushing rebel scum under my heel.

I don't like the idea of deploying mind-controlling monsters against civilians.
And if I remember right, you can do that in Alpha Centauri.

>>167581997
You're not talking to me.
I am >>167581282, >>167581978 and >>167582172.
>>167581434 and >>167581710 is someone else.

Pay attention when people say "not him".

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>>167582172
Maybe if you thought a bit about the implications of all the other actions you'd be scared too
Unless you think of your enemies as Chaotic Evil by definition

>>167582325
wew

>>167582325
>Unless you think of your enemies as Chaotic Evil by definition
That's what I do.
Do you know of that game, Helldivers? I believe everything.

Because if I start wondering what the fuck I'm doing, I can't enjoy the game.

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>>167582384
Well alright then anon
I am fond of pigs

>>167582325
>nopan
AHHHHHHHHH

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>>167582479
I play games to HAVE FUN! Shoot ayys in the face! Drive them before me and hear the lamentations of their women (or queens).

Not to question myself about the morality of war.
I still agree Alpha Centauri is well written, but fuck, it's deep.

>>167581997
Different person, anon;
>>167581434
>Not him, but

4X game where you can become type 3 civ?
aka able to move planets, create stars, build super mega structures...
I basically want to play as
>Halo Forerunners
Not right away, but able to get there.

I've never played 4X in space before.
And don't name a game from 90s where everything is 2D.
I want to see everything I do from more than one angle.

>>167582957
>move planets
Maybe Planetary Annihilation, but it's not a 4X. And it's restricted to moons anyway.
>create stars, build super mega structures
I don't know a single one. Except maybe Solar 2, but then again it's not a 4X.

So for Stellaris are there any mods out there similar to the Worm-In-Waiting? The cosmic horror type of shit with eldritch being beyond mortal ken or something like that.

>>167583021
What about dyson sphere's/harnessing entire stars?
Or just planetary destruction.
And ability to fuck with less advanced civ?

Like Black&White in space.

>>167583725
>What about dyson sphere's/harnessing entire stars?
Not yet.
>Or just planetary destruction.
You can in Planetary Annihilation, it's pretty much the only good thing in the game.
>And ability to fuck with less advanced civ?
You can do that in Stellaris. I invaded a bunch of middle ages bug and made them my second-rate citizens.

>>167583725
Try Star Ruler 2, it's been a while but I'm pretty sure it has that stuff in it. At the very least I'm positive it has planetary destruction

>>167584760
Isn't that only in Star Ruler 1?

>>167528112
>>167528302
https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/stellaris-dev-diary-50-the-journey-ahead.978042/
>Ship appearance that differs for each empire, so no two empires' ships look exactly the same.

>>167584987
I could have sworn it was in Star Ruler 2 but it's been a long while since I played.

>>167585467
Maybe it's later in the research tree. I never got far in Star Ruler 2 because I have trouble understanding the game.

>>167528127
>"You picked the wrong dimension to invade !!"

God i love that quote.

Can we talk about Sister Miriam Godwinson?

>>167585727
>>167585467
>>167584987
>>167584760
>research Star Rule
>Studio is ded

>>167586793
The dev was okay too. When /rtsg/ was still a thing, I complained about Star Ruler being horribly frustrating, and he gave me a free key to try Star Ruler 2 for free.
That dude was a really good guy. I ended up getting the Heralt expansion, even if I barely play the game, just to give him some money without doing charity.

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I saw this on youtube recently and got the bug to play it again
but I'd prefer the Civ4 version of Col,
anyone got it to share, shit is completely vanished from the interwebs

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on that same vein....
I've been searching forever for "Call to Power 2"
GoG has a version so I assume easy to run

Will sectors/characters ever have anything like the 'depth' of Vassals in CK2? after Ck2 it feels shitty that i dont have to worry about who gets the energy rich sector or the grand fleet etc.

Also, is ISBS good or is it a meme mod that unbalances the game

Firaxis suffering from their own success? Civ 6 is objectively better than Civ 5 vanilla but people are still playing BNW because no one cares to upgrade until a few DLCs come out. Is this trend inevitably going to kill Firaxis?

>>167589219
Civ5 should have killed Firaxis long ago, no wonder newfags kept playing it...
and Civ6, still not good enough plainly said

>>167589008
>Also, is ISBS good or is it a meme mod that unbalances the game
Both, I just started using it when I got bored of vanilla mechanics

>>167589219
>Firaxis suffering from their own success
How about they're suffering from their own failure? Why is Civ VI bad despite Civ V with BNW being good? That's the question you should ask
It's not even a lack of features. It's poor design decisions all around despite having a working version in Civ V. The problem is that every single fucking time game companies seem to think they should reinvent the wheel to pitch "new" features instead of sticking with what works and adding more. Case in point - AoE1 -> AoE2 was basically the same goddamn game with extra features. Sure they changed the units and all but when all was said and done it played fundamentally the same way and there were basically no missing features except the Ruins (which were Relic'd).
What about AoE2 -> AoE3? It didn't even feel like the same fucking game, they changed too many core mechanics, they left out core features like the Random Map. The game died, but people are still playing AoE2. Nobody is playing AoE1.
Fundamentally it comes down to the idea that if you improve a previous installment of a game there is objectively no reason to remain behind unless it's for more or less version-specific reasons like "I want to play as Shang and Rome not China and Franks", which would be like if you were a Venicefag and were waiting for a Venice civ pack for Civ VI.
But if you change it up too much - if you reinvent the wheel, don't take the design lessons of the previous installments, ignore the parts that worked as well as the parts that didn't, remove components of the previous installation - you're going to have problems, people might not move on, or at least they'll wait for you to bring it up to par. You'll be betting on them wanting the new feature so much that they're willing to leave behind a more complete, mature, familiar, and well-rounded game.

>>167591476
>Why is Civ VI bad despite Civ V with BNW being good?
why do you faggots still think Civ V was good?

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>>167551987
Welp, this is the end. I was 4 turns away from winning the UN election and the game but experienced a repeating crash.

I had some really nice plans within plans too. If I couldn't pull off a safe number of votes I was going to sell off Assur back to my Vassal Assyria for additional votes. I had two spies about to get two techs from Mongolia within 15 turns. And if push came to shove I had 8 atomic bombs ready to wipe out Mongolia forces and had an economy strong enough to purchase four Nuclear Missiles every turn.

Oh well.

>>167591927
Because it is objectively not as shit as Civ VI?

>>167592027
shit that is not as shit as another shit is still shit

>>167592092
No, shit is a relative term
Someone who has never eaten anything but pajeet shit will think flavored shit tastes good

>>167592135
>Someone who has never eaten anything but pajeet shit will think flavored shit tastes good
what did I just say? different shit is still shit.

>>167592027
>only have civ5 and civ6 to compare
how new are you?

>>167592323
Look faggot I'm not going to pull II, III, and IV because that doesn't work with my point as well, since nobody plays II and III and IV is basically in the realm of 'play it for the mods'
The original statement was how nobody was moving on from BNW!CiV, so I gave an argument why it'd be the case
Anyone who both plays BNW and thought BNW!CiV was good, or simply better than Civ VI, can have this argument applied to them.

>>167592492
first, you're replying to multiple persons atm
second, your only basis for comparison is Civ5 and you think that's good,
Firaxis basically lost half its fan basis when 5 came out, 4 was objectively the best in the franchise, balancing both being modern and gameplay
but still you're not even taking into consideration other 4x/strat games, like EL to say the least
here are two examples >>167587941 >>167587615

and btw, Civ 6 is in fact much better in many aspects than Civ 5 ever was, and that's without any dlv even, only thing that ruins the game is some bad design and shitty AI
so to answer your question, no I don't think people will be stuck on 5, and only newfags who actually think its good are stuck on it

>>167593165
>your only basis for comparison is Civ5 and you think that's good,
No anon, I think that a lot of people, including those who started with CiV, think that it is good.

>4 was objectively the best in the franchise
Most people I see playing IV play it for the mods. Now admittedly there's a fucking metric ton of them - me included - but I imagine those are not moving onto VI to begin with, the big dealbreakers like 1UPT, lack of commerce, so on are still there (although the imbecilic global happiness is gone so there's that).
I'm trying to analyze why people are not moving to VI from V.
Stop being so fucking butthurt about it, I'm not saying V is the best 4x game, I'm not even saying it's the best civilization game. I'm saying why I think Firaxis is seeing a lot of "newfags" refuse to migrate.

>Civ 6 is in fact much better in many aspects than Civ 5 ever was
Keyword [apsects], as a whole it is garbage not least because the modding tools are nonextant.

>some bad design
>some
Don't sugarcoat it
Fuck's sake you need look no further than this thread
Who the FUCK is talking about Civ VI here? In the past threads people have talked about V, I occasionally see people asking about mods for IV, the only people talking about VI are the ones who haven't played it or haven't caught up on the news that you are expected to credit the coal miner's wife's pigs.

>>167551987
fakin mongorians

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From Utopia's Steam page.
Have you seen a FE with this many vassals before?

>>167594786

Its an awakened one. They could just be signatories/whatever that ethos calls it

>>167594786
Personally I haven't, but AEs love to vassalise people. Especially the Xenophiles, who make everyone into Signatories of a galactic peace treaty.

>>167594786
>Custodial

>>167591986
So now the question is whether I should start another Civ V game or play Dragon Age: Origins which I just purchased.

>>167595434
If you've never played Origins it's a good game

>>167596345
*unzips dick*

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>spawn in C2C
>research scavenging
>literally three Pigs within the fat cross
wew

>>167596483
will you be fond of them?

I know 4x games are big, slow, and complex, but what's the easiest one to get into that I can get for less than $30 or so?

I kind of want to start off easy and see if this genre is for me.

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>>167596548
Yes, especially since one is right on top of my city so I have like 4 more food per turn than anyone else and can still work the stone on hill tile for mad hammers
Unironically great stuff, the only way it could reasonably be better is if there were also caves nearby

>>167596621
Pirate Civ IV and give it a whirl
Old but still good

>>167596738
You're making me want to try C2C again lad

Where should I download it? I've read here that the Moddb version is hella outdated

>>167596807
Actually it's been updated on Christmas
Go to the fanatics forum and setup the SVN
Also https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/caveman2cosmos-v37-player-guide.607564/

WHat do i play while waiting for Banks? I don't feel like playing stellaris knowing in 2 weeks or so it'll be 2 times bigger and better.
How is Stars in Shadow, flash tier graphics aside?

>Civ IV literally came out 10 years ago
Where has the time gone

>>167598251
Try Polaris Sector.

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>>167596345
Can't wait to mindrape the galaxy.

>>167598251
Endless Space 2 is pretty great.

>>167598617
It's already out?

>>167598607
>letting psykers run wild in your Imperium
No, anon, you won't mindrape the galaxy. Chaos Daemons will.

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>>167598787
Nope, still early access. But it's a lot of fun to play as is, and it will only get better as devs add more content. By this point I already have more hours in it than I do in Stellaris, but I haven't played that since the disastrous barebones release.

>>167599123
I'm willing to trust your seemingly good taste anon, i hope it's worth its bucks.
Good thing Stellaris DLC can be easily acquired for free in case this purchase sucks balls.

>>167596345
>>167598607

Is this Utopia/Banks stuff? or does it come with the Psyonic stuff in game right now

>>167599883
Utopia.

>they changed C2C's menu song from the meme one to ooga boogas

thank heavens, I have that shit song seared into my fucking mind because of that mod

>>167601152
You mean this? :^)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aL6wlTDPiPU

>>167587432
That was very nice of you, anon and I'm very grateful for your support. Even though the studio's dead I'm happy that I was able to bring you some fun.

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>>167601526
delet this RIGHT NOW

Also

>follow the instructions on the C2C FAQ thread, start a quick game
>Roll Arabians, which is what I wanted to play in the first place
>spooky
>Quit to desktop, forget I had to save the game
>Open game again, roll another quick game
>Get Brazil with Pedro II
>I'm brazilian

wait a second what's happening here

>>167601689
What saddens me is that Arcen is following the same road than you.

Is the guy that was posting ES2 quests still doing them?

Non pug disgustingly ugly mammalian ships when?

I like bricks, but apparently Paradox cant design bricks at all.

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>>167586793
Yeah, I heard about it in the Goon thread.

To be honest I never really liked Star Ruler 2, but I did buy it, and am glad to have bought it, and it deserved more attention than it got.

>>167602107
No media/lp/twitch/etc coverage, no sales.

Just seems like nobody's interested in covering new high concepts unless they're from an indie darling or from a big publisher. Even if there's an audience for those high concepts they can't buy the games if they don't know they exist.

>>167603016
Well, to be very accurate: Not 'no sales' but definitely 'not a lot of sales'.

>>167603016
Well, that, and using totally new concepts that confuse everyone.
At least, unlike Arcen's, yours games are playable. I like a Valley Without Wind, but it's really ugly as fuck.

>>167601825
>start a quick game
The game literally tells you do NOT do this anon

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>>167603593
Did I misunderstand this?

>>167603690
Yeah, starting that game is just to generate BUG scripts
You have to setup a custom game to actually play it. Honestly I'm not even sure why you need to do that, I never did.

>Always setup the game you intend to play through Custom Game. There are some scenarios and maps and such you can find here that do work but if you're not using one of them, CUSTOM GAME is your destination.
>The game will always default to setting up in the Ancient era unless you specify Prehistoric. You should ALWAYS do this as we have not attempted to debug some known issues with other era starts. Prehistoric is the start we have designed the game for. And it's not the default because we can't seem to find how to make it the default. Not all things are within the modder's reach apparently.

Did you read the entire page? If not read at least the first post and the game setup options posts so you know what they're about.

>>167601152
WHEN YOU'RE PLAYING CIVILIZATION
HISTORY BECOMES YOUR CREATION

>>167603887
Oh, I wasn't planning on playing those games. I know my way around C2C, don't worry about it. I was just remarking that the randomly picked nations were both the one I was planning on playing and my own nationality

>>167603947
STOP

>>167603016
I feel bad for you
You really deserved better, it had problems but it also had potential
Which is honestly more than you can say about Civ VI

>>167604036
Oh okay
I spent hours replacing all the names with waifus and bishies/baras before I started playing :3

>>167604063
Sadly, that's how it works.

Thread, I want to play a hyper-technological empire that wants to become a cosmopolitan multi-species empire, but with a catch; the only species besides my own would be uplifts and enlightened primitives.

What's the best build to go about this, vanilla? It's been so long since I've played, so I'm thinking fanatic materialist and maybe militarist or xenophile, along with the usual traits.

>>167604195
He should have added waifus.

>>167604246
The scenario generator isn't that varied.

>>167603947
That meme song was terrible honestly
Fuck he didn't even coodinate well there was at least two lines where he basically had to trail off on sentences

>>167604617
What, like Spellforce?

>get cucked by Awakened Empire treaty
>patiently wait as my fleet builds up and my tech reaches their plateau

This gonna be good

>>167604036
If you're playing C2C post it here
I'm on >linux because my sister stole my war chest

>>167605546
I'm still fucking setting up the game

drinking a liter and a half of wheat beer hasn't helped with my decision making

>>167605637
Watch as your closest neighbor spawns on top of Caves, Very Tall Grass and Prime Timber

>>167605637
>drinking alcohol
Cuck.

>>167605740
tomorrow is my day off and I just got my paycheck

please be understanding

>>167605737
I can deal with that

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>>167605828
>please be understanding
Have a reaction picture

>>167605828
No. I'm too jealous to be understanding.

>>167605943
Who's that cutie?

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>>167606028
A baby mindflayer aka a smol squishy

>>167606230
Aaawww, she looks adorable.

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>>167606473
*flays u*

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>>167606630
That's cute.

Ditch the Civ from the thread name and maybe put it back when the game is actually good.

>>167608189
Civ IV I rest my case

>>167608189
Civ V.
I rest my case.

>>167605481
>not being able to go 1 on 1 when the fallen empire awakes in 2320

had to end the game after beating it though, there was absolutely no way even a crisis could threaten me at that point

>>167604246
What are the "usual traits"?

>>167611372
Well, intelligent for one, right? That's what you pick for max tech, yeah? It's been a long time since I played, so I don't know if there's a better way to go about it.

>>167606230
That's not how mindlfayers work, you're just being a furfag

>>167612656
Anon mindflayers literally do not exist so they can be anything you want

>tfw want to discuss CoH2
>no one to talk about CoH
>will probably be the same for DoW3

Am I fated to never have anyone to whine about balance on relic games?

>>167613236
I played the campaign for the first CoH

>>167613236
It's part of their plan, because nobody play it and these who play mostly do so with AI balance doesn't really matter.

>>167613236
I remember playing the first CoH and hating it.
It was so different from my usual RTS where I could just turtle and build a beautiful base.

>>167602598
Apparently they can but not for the player as this anon pointed out.
>>167545658

>>167541141
That would be barbaric anon.
Genocide is one thing but eatingyour victims is a totally dofferent kind of evil.

Homeworld ships fucking WHEN?

>>167615756
I'd rather see LOGH ships. What program do they use to make the models? Would that program have some similarities with autocad or unigraphics? I have some experience with those.

>>167616264
LOGH shipmod already exists. It has some flaws though because 99% of the ship weaponry is spinal mounted and Stellaris uses turrets.

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>>167616456
Really? Thanks, then I'm off to find this mod.

>>167616770
Nigga its in the frontpage of the workshop.

>>167613236
I bought COH1, discovered you couldn't play skirmish offline and instantly refunded

>>167617109
Yeah so I've seen now. I don't check the workshop page all that often since I haven't played stellaris in a long time.

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Well this is certainly an interesting bug.

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>start up a Plantoid campaign
>it's going well
>it's actually going great
>mfw I was struck with profound melancholy over playing it and just sorta gave up

Guys help, this save is aces but I just don't know if I want to continue.

I'm talking the type of aces where my first non-freebie colonizable planet is a 22-tile, mineral-heavy world with "Exceptional Minerals."

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>The only people who ever want to be friends with me are Xenophobes.

>>167618551
>they still removed embassy
Fuck you Paradox.

>fuckueg expanse of space because fanatic xenophobe and despotic empire
>rawlin in dosh
>two teeny fucking three planet empires wardec
>"This'll be a breeze!"
>their combined naval capacity is over twice mine
>realize I'm a fucking retard who's so out of practice that I forgot that spaceports are absolutely essential to navcap, and that it's no wonder the little fuckers were out shipping me

So I picked up Endless Legend, and good fucking god this is annoying. Two separate games I've been fucking annihilated by the AI just magically having three times my strength in armies and somehow having a functioning economy.

Am I not supposed to build improvements in my cities, and instead pick one or two then just spam military units? Is Dust production the end-all in Endless Legend? I had to throw a twelve hour playthrough out today because I got my ass lit up by the BDSM queen's mages after more or less building my armies for sixteen turns and throwing a compliment her way every three turns (I was sitting pretty on influence), and I'm just baffled. My cities are always pissed at me for expanding, but if I don't expand enough I get shut out of all the resources.

What's the "bread and butter" for EL?

>>167618457
just save it and go be a faggot somewhere else

Well the science path for sophons is useless, only thing they get that they wouldn't in other paths is better probes, but most of the tasks are exploring the galaxy anyways.

C2C ANON POST YOUR SHIT

>>167621223
hell no man

I got baited into playing tf2 like 10 turns into the game, now I'm suitably angry enough that I don't want to play civ anymore

maybe tomorrow

>>167622262
also I might have added too many civs to the game. I think 20 is a bit too excessive, the turns times were pretty long for the early game

>>167619524
How fast are you expanding? Are you using luxury boosters? Are you upgrading your army? Which faction are you playing as? What difficulty?

>>167622406
>20
Yeah no unless you have a Xeon or i5/[email protected] and even then not really because >what is multicore

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>>167520690
Roll guys

>>167623794
Post one for Civ IV and maybe I'll think about it
Or even better make one for Civ IV with a ton of modded factions and I'll think about it

How do I stop being bad at Stellaris?

>>167624282
uninstall.exe

>>167624282
git gud

>>167612004
Take conformist trait, and then encourage free thought policy. This will give you a decent boost to research speed. And of course intelligent.

>>167618749
>>167618551
I still manage to become allied with any faction except fanatical purifiers, even while playing as Commonwealth of Man xenophobes.

It's all about offering protection of independence treaty, then science treaty and finally a non aggression pact.

Need to actually put some effort into diplomacy since the update.

>>167623794
rolling

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>>167615756
The reptilian ships remind me of homeworld.

>>167625098
you're a homeworld